1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 18 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 518       Contents:+ Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch # Re: Booting hobbyist CD on PWS433au $ Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster$ Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster$ Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster Re: DCREATE 2 Re: Difference Intel EFI and Phoenix cME FirstWare2 Re: Difference Intel EFI and Phoenix cME FirstWare GoodBye Andrew? " Re: HELP: Using CLI with C program' Re: how to add a printer (HP laser jet) ' Re: how to add a printer (HP laser jet)  How to order VMS licenses?- Re: How to use shareable image to share data? - Re: How to use shareable image to share data?   Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005  Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005  Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005  Re: IA64 to be dual core by 20059 Re: init/queue/start/processor=ucx$telnetsym/on=... hangs  Re: MySQL 4.0.15 for OpenVMS Re: MySQL 4.0.15 for OpenVMS Need quotes for a system Re: Need quotes for a system0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ???? Re: OpenVMS Security4 Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris4 Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris4 Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris4 Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris3 Re: PHP library containing PREG_MATCH, ... commands $ Re: Remove Pathworks/Advanced Server! Re: SMTP: SFF on different node ? " Re: source for 431 pin CPU socket? source for 431 pin CPU socket?" Re: source for 431 pin CPU socket?+ Re: TCP/IP Services for VMS - sloppy output + Re: TCP/IP Services for VMS - sloppy output 1 Re: The vmsnet hierarchy (help may be on the way) P Re: There is no Joy in Sunville -- mighty Billy has struck out [on his  own] hisP Re: There is no Joy in Sunville -- mighty Billy has struck out [on his own] his  VMS PALCODE question  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:20:30 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch0 Message-ID: <bkcbf6$njs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:G > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:16:23 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 6 > <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote: >  >  >>Keith Parris wrote:  >> >>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bjni1b$ipu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >>>  >>> < >>>>Losing market share in all their markets as HP have done >>>  >>> G >>>Given that you recklessly used the word "all" in your hyperbole, all 6 >>>it takes is one counter-example to prove you wrong: >>> H >>>"IDC reports that HP increased its market leadership in notebooks and@ >>>accounted for 17.3 percent of the unit market share in Q2. In> >>>addition, HP increased its notebook unit sales 48.1 percentH >>>year-over-year while its notebook unit growth more than doubled (22.4, >>>percent) the overall market unit growth." >>> < >>>http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030902a.html >> >>6 >>Ohh goody notebooks I guess the board can go back to2 >>the shareholders and say that it has in fact all2 >>turned out OK because although HP's market share8 >>in every other market has declined they have increased% >>their share of the notebook market.  >>% >>And do HP make money on notebooks ?  >> >  > J > The real point is, of course, that your initial statement is wrong.  HisM > counter-example proves that your argument lacks veracity of fact.  Thus, it K > would not be mis-placed criticism to ask that you back up your statement,  > or withdraw it.  >   > The real point is that my origional statement was correct. The= notebook market is a sub species of the PC market. HP's share ? of the PC market as a whole has declined and HP have lost their = Number 1 position in that market. Its no victory if HP end up > being the worlds largest Notebook vendor in the process losing; all their desktop share to Dell and remaining 2and overall.   ; If you drill down into a market and look at all its subsets 8 you can always find a ray of hope in an otherwise gloomy
 situation.  8 There is no need to withdraw my statement it is correct.  8 I do like the idea that you should unreservedly withdraw6 something that turns out to have no factaul basis. You' have a few postings to make, get to it.    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 09:26:14 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch3 Message-ID: <hx1Pe$mGvKTK@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <bkcbf6$njs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > @ > The real point is that my origional statement was correct. The? > notebook market is a sub species of the PC market. HP's share A > of the PC market as a whole has declined and HP have lost their ? > Number 1 position in that market. Its no victory if HP end up @ > being the worlds largest Notebook vendor in the process losing= > all their desktop share to Dell and remaining 2and overall.   =    It could be, since desktops are losing sales to notebooks. ;    Desktops might become a niche market someday.  Notebooks :    might be more profitable than desktops in the meantime.;    Without analyzing those posibilities "Its no victory" is     just FUD.  <    If you can make strong arguments that the profits will be=    in the desktop business, then and only then can we be sure     "Its no victory".   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:03:01 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch0 Message-ID: <bkchfe$ppj$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <bkcbf6$njs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > @ >>The real point is that my origional statement was correct. The? >>notebook market is a sub species of the PC market. HP's share A >>of the PC market as a whole has declined and HP have lost their ? >>Number 1 position in that market. Its no victory if HP end up @ >>being the worlds largest Notebook vendor in the process losing= >>all their desktop share to Dell and remaining 2and overall.  >  > ? >    It could be, since desktops are losing sales to notebooks. = >    Desktops might become a niche market someday.  Notebooks < >    might be more profitable than desktops in the meantime.= >    Without analyzing those posibilities "Its no victory" is  >    just FUD. >     9 HP were number one in the PC market, (PC,s notebooks etc)  they are now number 2.  9 What ever the product mix that makes up HPs revenues they $ have moved from first to 2and place.  : However according to you HP's product mix has changed withC Notebooks now conributing more to HP's PC revenues than traditional  PC's.   ? At the same time it is a fact that HP's margins have fallen and A the divison is making a loss (again). So the move to more laptops ? less desktops hasn't resulted in increased profitability has it ! in fact its the other way around.   = You are speculating about what might be while HP's SEC filing " says something entirely different.  C HP have to start making a consistent profit in PC's it is after all ; what Carly was brought in to fix. HP has announced that the B merger is over and now the merger smokescreen has cleared there is; no longer any excuse for poor performance relative to Dell.   ? At least on the evidence of the current numbers Notebooks don't 3 provide the magic bullet that HP are searching for.    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:05:50 -0400 ) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch) Message-ID: <3F69D7DD.1704C181@istop.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:@ > The real point is that my origional statement was correct. The? > notebook market is a sub species of the PC market. HP's share A > of the PC market as a whole has declined and HP have lost their # > Number 1 position in that market.    However, isn't it true that:  ? 1- notebooks have higher margins than large boxed wintel crap ? A 2- notebooks are becoming more and more popular as a primary PC ?   N If the above 2 are correct, then a rise in notebook sales and decline in boxedM PCs might be a good thing. Lets say Dell didn't have any notebooks but HP had J some. If the market was going to be more notebooks than conventional boxedL PCs, and Dell didn't have notebooks, then HP would end up rising back to #1.  N Of course, Dell has notebooks, and if it can be just as efficient building andN selling notebooks as it is boxed PCs then HP doesn't really gain any advantage1 if there is a paradigm shift from PC to notebook.   K By the way, Steve Jobs expects that sales of notebooks will exceed sales of H conventional MAcs this or next year. So this seems to me that there is a! paradigm shift towards notebooks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:21:37 -0400 ) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch) Message-ID: <3F69DB8F.D8FD0B5A@istop.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:A > At the same time it is a fact that HP's margins have fallen and C > the divison is making a loss (again). So the move to more laptops A > less desktops hasn't resulted in increased profitability has it # > in fact its the other way around.   N That is easy to say. However, the increased weight of notebooks in revenus mayK have helped to offset an ever greater loss in the conventional box PC where  margins are very negative.  L I have a problem with companies who have product lines that are money losingK and no clear, decisive plan to fix whatever problem that makes that product M line unprofitable.  If, as some have ponted out, the merger is fully consumed I and done with, then what is the excuse for the wintel crap business still  losing money ?  L Does Carly just wait for Mickey Dell to have a heart attack and Dell to shutE down, allowing HP to raise prices and have the wintel division become K profitable ? Sorry to rain on Carly's parade, but as long as Dell exists, I ) can see a consistent pressure on margins.   M Where I see a difference however between Dell and HP is worldwide reach. When K the .com bubble burst, Mickey didn't hesitate to start to shutdown/downsize M foreign operations and focus on the US market. His JIT business model is less M suited to a worldwide operation simply because it doesn't make sense to build C a PC in texas and use FED Ex to ship it to a customer in Singapore.   I So HP's distribution paradigm, while an old relic of the past, is perhaps - still better suited to a worldwide operation.   K Perhaps what HP should have done with Compaq is turn Compaq into a USA only J operation with the same paradigm as Dell, while HP would have kept the old  paradigm and worldwide presence.    L Atr one point, centronics was the de-facto standard for dot matrix printers.F Then, it was EPSON that took the seat, and then HP. But at the time HPK unseated EPSON as the de-facto standard printer company, did HP have such a ! large PC presence in the market ?   K One can argue that the wintel business is a loss leader to attract sales in L printer and cameras. But if HP, EPSON and Centronics were able to make theirL printing business a de-facto standard without a big wintel business, one canA question the real need to have a wintel presence for peripherals.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 12:00:05 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch3 Message-ID: <wwkMwcmnTyI1@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <bkchfe$ppj$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > < > However according to you HP's product mix has changed withE > Notebooks now conributing more to HP's PC revenues than traditional  > PC's.   C    Now you know I didn't say that.  I said you have to analyze that 9    before you can claim their product mix is a bad thing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:24:26 +0200 > From: "Winfried Bergmann" <winfried.bergmannNosPAM@empuron.de>, Subject: Re: Booting hobbyist CD on PWS433au8 Message-ID: <bkc835$1uae$1@ID-170759.news.uni-berlin.de>  J I have a RRD42 running in my DEC3000 and also had problems at first. But IJ got better results after increasing "SCSI_RESET" from 4 to 6 in SRM. AfterL that, I was able to install VMS from the Montager CD but still have problemsK with some burned CDs (get some media errors on some CDs, but not for all!).     7 "issinoho" <issinoho@slayme.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 7 news:d0141774.0309151228.1a624059@posting.google.com... C > My friend, you are a genius! It was indeed the RRD42 misbehaving. E > I swapped in a generic NEC SCSI CDROM and. although I was initially @ > assaulted with moans about 512 byte block size being wrong, it > installed nevertheless.  > B > Fantastic! A *very* big thanks to all who took the time to help. > ; > al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb) wrote in message 9 news:<d5ce4b06.0309150633.6d68189b@posting.google.com>... + > > Random thoughts on your CD-ROM problem:  > > 7 > > It's probably not a termination issue; you wouldn't . > > get as far as you did in the boot process. > > : > > I suspect that the RRD42 just might be too old to work8 > > right on your system;  You can't assume that it will< > > work with your PW433 just because it worked fine on your > > VAXstation.  > > < > > I'm fairly certain that RRD42s have been known to have a= > > hard time reading "burned" CDs, and the Alpha Hobbyist CD  > > is probably exactly that.  > > 6 > > It reads just enough to boot, but when it tries to* > > read more off of the CD-ROM, it fails. > > * > > What other SCSI devices are you using?+ > > (Do a SHOW DEV D at the console prompt)  > > ; > > I've personally used wide and narrow on the same chain,  > > > > > I understand that Ultra and narrow are somewhat less happy$ > > together, your mileage may vary. > > @ > > As you suggested, I'd try disconnecting everything else from> > > the SCSI controller and using a 50-pin cable to connect to > > the RRD42. > > * > > Try booting then and see what happens. > >  > > HTH, > > 
 > > WWWebb > >  > > 3 > > Issinoho <issinoho@slayme.com> wrote in message 1 news:<1063616605.53372.0@despina.uk.clara.net>...  > > > Other thoughts...  > > > D > > > The card has a 50pin connector as well as the used 68pin, if I	 connected 9 > > > the CD directly to it would that make a difference?  > > >  > > > I also found the KZPBA-CY  > > > L <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2753611776&category=3996 9>K > > > on ebay however it does not ship to the UK. If indeed this card would D > > > solve my problems would anyone over the pond be kind enough to purchase@ > > > and ship it for me. The item has a $15 'Buy it now' price. > > >  > > >  > > > Tom Linden wrote:  > > > = > > > > Try googling a bit I just did and found the following  > > > >  > > > > L > > > >>I've tried to install 5.1A on a AS2100 with a KZPBA-CX (UW-SE SCSI), but I > > > >>even if SRM sees the disks, the OS doesn't, so the install fails.  > > > >>< > > > >>KZPBA-CA is supported, and the specs are identical.. > > > > K > > > > it really is the same device. KZPBA-CA is the selling code, -CX the  one G > > > > that field services uses. This has been confirmed by a local HP L > > > > maintenance man. The reason why the install fails is probably due to old < > > > > firmware on the card, or SCSI-terminations (sigh..).	 > > > > t  > > > >  > > > > H > > > > You will have to find someone who knows more about it than I.  I would  > > > > googleL > > > > on that part number.  I know I had to remove the resistors to run on a  > > > > shared( > > > > scsi bus.  sorry can't help more > > > >  > > > > " > > > >>-----Original Message-----3 > > > >>From: Issinoho [mailto:issinoho@slayme.com] 0 > > > >>Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 5:37 PM! > > > >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 > > > >>Subject: Re: Booting hobbyist CD on PWS433au > > > >> > > > >>J > > > >>Bingo! sounds good. But I'm not sure what you're advising. I think we've L > > > >>established that it's not an 'au' system; rather an 'a' and there is no! > > > >>on-board SCSI controller. K > > > >>What do I do with the resistors? Can you explain in layman's terms,  please. L > > > >>What's really bugging me is why I'm having to fight like hell to get VMS I > > > >>on this box. What's the fundamental issues here? Is there a basic I > > > >>hardware incompatiblity which means I'm banging my head against a  wall?  > > > >>2 > > > >>All help and input greatfully appreciated. > > > >> > > > >>Tom Linden wrote:  > > > >>$ > > > >>>>-----Original Message-----7 > > > >>>>From: John Travell [mailto:john@jomatech.com] 2 > > > >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 2:20 PM# > > > >>>>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 > > > >>>>Subject: Re: Booting hobbyist CD on PWS433au
 > > > >>>>
 > > > >>>>8 > > > >>>>"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message= > > > >>>>news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEJAHPAA.tom@kednos.com... 
 > > > >>>>
 > > > >>>>H > > > >>>>>Try copying CD to a drive using dd and then booting from that drive  > > > >>>>>  > > > >>>>>  > > > >>>>> & > > > >>>>>>-----Original Message-----7 > > > >>>>>>From: issinoho [mailto:issinoho@slayme.com] 7 > > > >>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:59 AM % > > > >>>>>>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 > > > >>>>>>Subject: Booting hobbyist CD on PWS433au > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>K > > > >>>>>>Having finally got my PWS433au up and running, I've been trying  to= > > > >>>>>>boot the Alpha hobbyist CD with thus far no luck. H > > > >>>>>>I pulled the ATAPI CDROM from the box and installed an RRD42 which I L > > > >>>>>>know is OK as it's been doing its stuff happily in my VAXstation for a G > > > >>>>>>while now. The SCSI card is a DEC (Qlogic) KZPBA-CX and the  console  > > > >>>>>>firmware is V7.2-1. L > > > >>>>>>When I do a 'boot dka400' I get the usual 'jumping to bootstrap' stuff I > > > >>>>>>then a bit of a delay, then the 'OpenVMS 7.2' banner appears,  another  > > > >>>>>>delay, then... > > > >>>>>>6 > > > >>>>>>'failed to send read to dka400.4.0.1010.0'6 > > > >>>>>>'error loading IO_ROUTINES.EXE, status=54' > > > >>>>>>J > > > >>>>>>Anyone know what is going on? I've tried booting an old OSF CD and itB > > > >>>>>>dies in a similar fashion. I've triple checked my SCSI connectors and/ > > > >>>>>>terminations and it all looks good.  > > > >>>>>>& > > > >>>>>>Any help much appreciated. > > > >>>>>>
 > > > >>>>8 > > > >>>>Did nobody think of checking the status code ? > > > >>>>$ exit %x54 3 > > > >>>>%SYSTEM-F-CTRLERR, fatal controller error 	 > > > >>> 	 > > > >>> G > > > >>>Bingo!  The KZPBA-CX is the differntial SCSI controller.  Near  > > > >> > > > >>the external > > > >>G > > > >>>connector there should be a bank of 8 (yellow) resistor packs. 	 These are K > > > >>>pulled when deployed on a share SCSI bus.  Not sure how to use the  board H > > > >>>otherwise.  Maybe the resistors have to be in.  The KZPBA-CY is > > > >> > > > >>what you may > > > >>H > > > >>>want.  Another thought, does the riser board have a 68 pin SCSI > > > >> > > > >>connector? > > > >>J > > > >>>600au had an onboard controller, in which case pul the one on the PCI bus  > > > >>>and use that one.	 > > > >>> 	 > > > >>> L > > > >>>>This suggests either that the SCSI controller is faulty, or is not8 > > > >>>>configured correctly, or not supported by VMS.( > > > >>>>What does the console command:
 > > > >>>>
 > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>show device
 > > > >>>> > > > >>>>return ? Also 
 > > > >>>>
 > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>show config
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 > > > >>>> > > > >>>>-- > > > >>>>John Travell, > > > >>>>Independent VMS crashdump analyst.) > > > >>>>john- at - jomatech - dot - com  > > > >>>>+44-(0)23-92552229" > > > >>>>http://www.jomatech.com/
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The sides > represent G > the network traffic. Any link can go down and network traffic will go  > aroundI > the triangle in the other direction. Each side of the triangle is about  > 12 > miles. >  > - > First lets talk host config. and skip data.  > ' > I'm thinking of two possible configs:  > / > I could give all five hosts 1 vote each. That I > would yield 5 expected votes and a quorum of 3. Any one site could fail  > and 6 > cluster quorum would be maintained by the other two. >  > or:  > I > I could give one host at each site one vote, yielding 3 expected votes,  > and a G > quorum of 2. The advantage there would be if I added a node to site A I > ("Bambam") quorum would not have to be recalculated, and I'd still have  > site > equality.  > H > I'm thinking the number votes at site A has must be equal to the votes > at	 > site B.  > J > The third site is used only as a quorum site. Site A and B will be where > the  > work gets done.  >  > Now.. The data:  > ; > I have DWDM delivered fibre fabric between sites A and B.  > I > All disks are attached via fibre channel. Except site C which will only  > have a' > system disk and be attached via SCSI.  > B > I'm thinking that each site will have a copy of the system disk. > Identical  > except for volume labels.  >  > Assume the following disks:  > 	 > Site A:  > . > $1$DGA1500: SYSTEMA (system disk for site A)& > $1$DGA1501: DATA1   (some data disk) > 	 > Site B:  > . > $1$DGA1000: SYSTEMB (system disk for site B)& > $1$DGA1001: DATA1   (some data disk) >  > 	 > Site C: - > Dino$DKA0: SYSTEMC (system disk for site C)  >  > 0 > I'm thinking this will be the mount prodecure; > . > $ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1000:","EXISTS") THEN -8 > $    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST $1$DGA1000: SYSTEMB SYSTEMB. > $ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1001:","EXISTS") THEN -G > $    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA100:/SHADOW=("$1$DGA1001:") DATA1 DATA1  > $!. > $ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1500:","EXISTS") THEN -8 > $    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST $1$DGA1500: SYSTEMA SYSTEMA. > $ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1501:","EXISTS") THEN -G > $    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA100:/SHADOW=("$1$DGA1501:") DATA1 DATA1  > $! >  >  > G > I'm thinking that if I move the sysuaf file, etc. off the system disk  > onto aG > shadowed disk, I'll be able to have the multiple copies of the system D > disk. This buys me the possibility of taking one site off-line for > upgrades if necessary. > F > I'm trying to keep data replicated between sites A and B. But at the > same time,D > keep all the read I/Os local. I want as little data as possible to > travel > between the two sites.  N Why don't you use a shadowed system disk over two sites ? Workes fine for us !  M Look at the SET DEVICE /SITE settings. That will solve this problem for you.  O However keep in mind that if you remove a member from a shadow set (for backup  F etc.) and later add it again, you will have to do the settings again !  L Also look at the set device/path settings to spread the load over all fibre L adapters and both SANs. You need two SANs for continuity. Otherwise a small P glitch on the SAN may cause your disks to be invisible and thus your systems to  crash.  N I have made a small .com file to do all these settings, and that procedure is P called at startup, after backup etc. (don't forget to add 1 second delays after @ path settings, otherwise you may get mount verify timeouts etc.)       > I > I'm thinking in this setup, I could loose disks, hosts, or combinations  > ofG > them, and still be able to run. I'm thinking for what little data the  > third J > site would need, MSCP served disks would suffice. And I could put a hook > in theC > startup to only mount the disks with the UAF data (and maybe user  > accounts) via  > this method. > J > I'm thinking that by mounting the other sites' system disk, I could then > copy< > config files (if they were to change) betweens sites. etc. >  >  > Thoughts?  >  > If I were to set this up..) > What would potential test scenarios be? 1 > What would cause cluster communication failure? C > Would there be false failures, and how could I avoid/detect them?  >  > What have I missed? . > What have I mis-understood or misconfigured? > What more is needed? >  > + > Is anybody else doing anything like this?  >  >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Lyndon >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 05:53:59 GMT " From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net>- Subject: Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster . Message-ID: <3F694864.4050008@telusplanet.net>   Lyndon Bartels wrote:   / > I'm thinking of building a wide area cluster.  > I > My goal is to provide a disaster tolerant cluster for both OS and data.  > - > My current plan has three sites, A, B, & C.  > ? > At site A I have a some hosts ("Fred" and "Barney") and data. = > At site B I have more hosts ("Wilma" and "Betty") and data. . > At site C I have one host ("Dino"), NO data. > D > Image an equalateral triangle with a site at each point. The sides > represent G > the network traffic. Any link can go down and network traffic will go  > aroundI > the triangle in the other direction. Each side of the triangle is about  > 12 > miles. >  > - > First lets talk host config. and skip data.  > ' > I'm thinking of two possible configs:  > / > I could give all five hosts 1 vote each. That I > would yield 5 expected votes and a quorum of 3. Any one site could fail  > and 6 > cluster quorum would be maintained by the other two.  " 	This is the better configuration.5 	You could lose up to 2 nodes from any combination of 6 	sites and the cluster would still remain functioning. >  > or:  > I > I could give one host at each site one vote, yielding 3 expected votes,  > and a G > quorum of 2. The advantage there would be if I added a node to site A I > ("Bambam") quorum would not have to be recalculated, and I'd still have  > site > equality.   6 	The disadvantage here is that if you lost any 2 nodes- 	with a vote, your cluster would lose quorum.    > H > I'm thinking the number votes at site A has must be equal to the votes > at	 > site B.  > J > The third site is used only as a quorum site. Site A and B will be where > the  > work gets done.  >  > Now.. The data:  > ; > I have DWDM delivered fibre fabric between sites A and B.  > I > All disks are attached via fibre channel. Except site C which will only  > have a' > system disk and be attached via SCSI.  > B > I'm thinking that each site will have a copy of the system disk. > Identical  > except for volume labels.  >  > Assume the following disks:  > 	 > Site A:  > . > $1$DGA1500: SYSTEMA (system disk for site A)& > $1$DGA1501: DATA1   (some data disk) > 	 > Site B:  > . > $1$DGA1000: SYSTEMB (system disk for site B)& > $1$DGA1001: DATA1   (some data disk) >  > 	 > Site C: - > Dino$DKA0: SYSTEMC (system disk for site C)  >  > 0 > I'm thinking this will be the mount prodecure; > . > $ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1000:","EXISTS") THEN -8 > $    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST $1$DGA1000: SYSTEMB SYSTEMB. > $ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1001:","EXISTS") THEN -G > $    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA100:/SHADOW=("$1$DGA1001:") DATA1 DATA1  > $!. > $ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1500:","EXISTS") THEN -8 > $    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST $1$DGA1500: SYSTEMA SYSTEMA. > $ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1501:","EXISTS") THEN -G > $    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA100:/SHADOW=("$1$DGA1501:") DATA1 DATA1  > $! >  >  > G > I'm thinking that if I move the sysuaf file, etc. off the system disk  > onto aG > shadowed disk, I'll be able to have the multiple copies of the system D > disk. This buys me the possibility of taking one site off-line for > upgrades if necessary.  9 	We have moved approx. 7 system files to a shadowed disk. 9 	Currently, our 4 system disks are single-member shadows.   > 	You don't want to take a complete site off-line for upgrades.7 	You should be able to take one node off-line at a time  	for upgrades. > F > I'm trying to keep data replicated between sites A and B. But at the > same time,D > keep all the read I/Os local. I want as little data as possible to > travel > between the two sites. > I > I'm thinking in this setup, I could loose disks, hosts, or combinations  > ofG > them, and still be able to run. I'm thinking for what little data the  > third J > site would need, MSCP served disks would suffice. And I could put a hook > in theC > startup to only mount the disks with the UAF data (and maybe user  > accounts) via  > this method. > J > I'm thinking that by mounting the other sites' system disk, I could then > copy< > config files (if they were to change) betweens sites. etc. >  >  > Thoughts?  >  > If I were to set this up..) > What would potential test scenarios be? 1 > What would cause cluster communication failure?   3 	You didn't say how you would network your 5 nodes. 0 	What sort of network redundancy do you propose?: 	We came across the following problem: If network problems; 	are encountered and a node (Say Fred) cannot see Dino, but < 	the other 3 nodes do see Dino, then Fred will do a cluexit./ 	We have confirmed this scenario several times. < 	That's why within the next few weeks, we will have in place? 	a dual GBE ring AND a separate ISP link connecting all 5 nodes  	across 3 sites.  C > Would there be false failures, and how could I avoid/detect them?  >  > What have I missed? . > What have I mis-understood or misconfigured? > What more is needed? >  > + > Is anybody else doing anything like this?  >  >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Lyndon >    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:12:54 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)- Subject: Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster . Message-ID: <bkci1m$cfg$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes in article <3F68D16F.532774C2@pressenter.com> dated Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:26:07 -0500:. >I'm thinking of building a wide area cluster. > H >My goal is to provide a disaster tolerant cluster for both OS and data. > , >My current plan has three sites, A, B, & C. > > >At site A I have a some hosts ("Fred" and "Barney") and data.< >At site B I have more hosts ("Wilma" and "Betty") and data.- >At site C I have one host ("Dino"), NO data.  >eC >Image an equalateral triangle with a site at each point. The sidesr
 >representF >the network traffic. Any link can go down and network traffic will go >around H >the triangle in the other direction. Each side of the triangle is about >12w >miles.V  K Good design.  I'm assuming you know what communications channels will allowI this, I'm no expert.  . >I could give all five hosts 1 vote each. ThatH >would yield 5 expected votes and a quorum of 3. Any one site could fail >and5 >cluster quorum would be maintained by the other two.r   That's the one.o   >or: >VH >I could give one host at each site one vote, yielding 3 expected votes, >and aF >quorum of 2. The advantage there would be if I added a node to site AH >("Bambam") quorum would not have to be recalculated, and I'd still have >sitee
 >equality.  J No good.  If you lost one site (say C), you could not even reboot a votingI node without losing quorum.  If that node boots from a directly-connectedqJ disk it's a relatively short downtime but you can avoid it altogether with the first design.  e  J If you add a third voting node to site A, you can balance it by giving one of the nodes at site B 2 votes.   G >I'm thinking the number votes at site A has must be equal to the votesu >at  >site B. >iI >The third site is used only as a quorum site. Site A and B will be whered >the >work gets done.   Good plan.     >Now.. The data: >S: >I have DWDM delivered fibre fabric between sites A and B. >eH >All disks are attached via fibre channel. Except site C which will only >have ae& >system disk and be attached via SCSI. >eA >I'm thinking that each site will have a copy of the system disk.e
 >Identical >except for volume labels. >P >Assume the following disks: >  >Site A: >S- >$1$DGA1500: SYSTEMA (system disk for site A)t% >$1$DGA1501: DATA1   (some data disk)e >h >Site B: > - >$1$DGA1000: SYSTEMB (system disk for site B)h% >$1$DGA1001: DATA1   (some data disk)n >l >- >Site C:, >Dino$DKA0: SYSTEMC (system disk for site C) >  >s/ >I'm thinking this will be the mount prodecure;- >-- >$ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1000:","EXISTS") THEN -07 >$    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST $1$DGA1000: SYSTEMB SYSTEMBc- >$ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1001:","EXISTS") THEN -jF >$    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA100:/SHADOW=("$1$DGA1001:") DATA1 DATA1 >$!e- >$ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1500:","EXISTS") THEN - 7 >$    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST $1$DGA1500: SYSTEMA SYSTEMAa- >$ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1501:","EXISTS") THEN -#F >$    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA100:/SHADOW=("$1$DGA1501:") DATA1 DATA1 >$!n  7 The ideal command for a cold mount of DSA100 would use eJ /SHADOW=($1$DGA1001:,$1$DGA1501:), which would avoid any rebuilding in theL case where it was dismounted cleanly last time around.  If DSA100 is already8 mounted on another node, you don't need /SHADOW= at all.  I If you change /SYSTEM to /CLUSTER it makes things easier the first time.  J Once the cluster is up all the disks will continue to "exist" even if they are unavailable.    F >I'm thinking that if I move the sysuaf file, etc. off the system disk >onto apF >shadowed disk, I'll be able to have the multiple copies of the systemC >disk. This buys me the possibility of taking one site off-line for: >upgrades if necessary.o  F So the disk containing SYSUAF et al. would be shadowed across multiple sites.  E >I'm trying to keep data replicated between sites A and B. But at thet >same time,lC >keep all the read I/Os local. I want as little data as possible toa >travels >between the two sites.n  K So you *don't* want to shadow the data disk across multiple sites.  It sort H of contradicts the above goal unless you're going to have one shadow set dedicated to this system data.  K I'm not sure if this is officially supported, but you can define/sys/exec a H logical SYSUAF to point to multiple files.  If the volume containing theI first one is not mounted, VMS will use the next in the list.  However, ifsL the site conting the first one goes down unexpectedly, the disk will go intoK MountVerify rather than dismount, and processes attempting to access SYSUAFc will hang (including logins).o  I You might want to consider using a different SYSUAF (et al) at each site,oG maybe with a batch job copying some of them around after certain events . (password change, addition of a user, etc.).    + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:29:39 -0400s* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: DCREATE2 Message-ID: <rpiab.1554$G1.7990@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  + Are u sure you are addressing the right ng?23 What is DCREATE? Anything to do with RDB perchance?.     -- K Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---k; "newbee" <redram360@netzero.net> a crit dans le message des7 news:5d8e5ad4.0309171139.281adbbc@posting.google.com...hF > I am trying to create a database that can be shared between multipleH > users in a group.  DCREATE database.... but not all users in group can? > access...  how can i set global permissions to this database?t   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2003 23:51:27 -07001 From: tochmaarniet@hotmail.com (Godfried van Loo)r; Subject: Re: Difference Intel EFI and Phoenix cME FirstWarec= Message-ID: <ef7d6766.0309172251.68eaebb9@posting.google.com>e  A > Here is a pointer that might help answer questions about EFI...  > 5 > http://www.intel.com/technology/framework/index.htmp   Fred (and rest),  1 Thanx. I've been searching for more info as well.n- For others interested regarding this subject,  here are some links I found:     Godfried van Loo The Netherlandso  , http://www.pctechguide.com/01mboards.htm#EFI4 http://www.intel.com/technology/efi/EFISpec_V099.pdfA http://www.intel.com/software/products/college/efishell/index.htmc? http://www.intel.com/software/products/college/efi_os/index.htmfA http://www.intel.com/software/products/college/efi_tool/index.htm<U http://www.intel.com/software/products/college/efi_tool/images/toolkit_components.swfs6 http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030404S0003/4 http://news.com.com/2100-1001-985600.html?tag=fd_top5 http://www.phoenix.com/en/products/phoenix+firstware/  http://groups.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&frame=right&th=dea76ff5da32ecbd&seekm=3E52DDBD.C595027F%40zonnet.nl#link10 3 http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/pxt/pxt100.htmlc   Dutch websites:h  S http://www.viaanse-computer-club.nl/Nieuws/2003/load.htm?it_nieuws_2003_009_ma.html & http://www.pcwereld.be/article273.html@ http://www.iksnaphetniet.nl/forum/viewthread.php?FID=12&TID=3896* http://www.webwereld.nl/nieuws/14165.phtmlB http://www.nrc.nl/beet/artikel/1046931076548.html (voor NRC leden)   Related:  ' http://www.via.com.tw/news/00ETBIOS.htme" http://www.golem.de/0009/9885.html: http://www.elegent.com/  (Website of Elegent Technologies)F http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/platform/firmware/efi/default.mspx9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030618c.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:16:36 -0700 1 From: Greg Cagle <news@*removethis*gregcagle.com> ; Subject: Re: Difference Intel EFI and Phoenix cME FirstWaree/ Message-ID: <vmimv1enplfed7@corp.supernews.com>l   Godfried van Loo wrote:i  7 > http://www.phoenix.com/en/products/phoenix+firstware/p  = Having worked for Phoenix in a previous life, I know a littlei= something about BIOS and EFI. Phoenix does not currently makep; any product for Itanium - just do a search of their websitef; for "Itanium." Intel has effectively locked them out of ther; pre-OS environment on Itanium. The whole FirstWare thing isr< essentially as Fred said - BIOS on steroids. For IA-32 only.   - Greg -- n
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:57:53 -0400-$ From: "rob kas" <news@paychoice.com> Subject: GoodBye Andrew?/ Message-ID: <vmjm5n9hjtf880@corp.supernews.com>    Sun to lay off 1,000. Last modified: September 18, 2003, 8:35 AM PDT By Stephen Shankland Staff Writer, CNET News.com     F  Sun Microsystems is cutting about 1,000 more jobs to try to return toL profitability--the third round of layoffs in the company's effort to recover from the high-tech downturn.G The cuts will affect just under 3 percent of the company's 36,000 total E employees, or roughly 1,000 total, Sun spokeswoman May Goh Petry said J Thursday. Notifications have begun, and Sun expects most of the cuts to be" completed by the end of September.  G "Unlike the last reduction in headcount, this one is in specific areas. I We're still investing in other areas," Petry said. Some of those who lose J jobs will be able to move into areas in which Sun is expanding, she added.  K In a statement released late Wednesday, the company said the layoffs are inuL "targeted areas of the company to more tightly align the organization towardC achieving its fiscal year 2004 goals." Those goals include "growingnJ revenues, improving profitability and increasing shareholder value," while9 continuing to invest in new technology, the company said.   L The layoff announcement comes in the middle of one of Sun's once-per-quarter product launches.n  E In the manic late 1990s and just beyond, Sun's revenue soared past $5:L billion per quarter as the company profited from products well-suited to theL Internet boom. But Sun has had to grapple with the bust that followed, whichG combined a gray market of used equipment, a recession, deep price cuts,cF increasingly capable servers using Intel processors, and reinvigoratedF competition from IBM. Its revenue now is about $3 billion per quarter.  E Sun began a 3,900-employee layoff in October 2001. In April 2002, thehI company more quietly began 1,000 job cuts, partly through attrition--cutsyG that later were folded into a larger 4,400-employee layoff announced inhK October 2002. That round was part of an attempt to become profitable in thep% first half of 2003. That plan failed.   G At times, financial analysts have pushed for deeper cuts, but CEO ScottiK McNealy has defended the company's actions as "reasonable and responsible."   I The new cuts will be worldwide. Some of the layoffs will stretch into theoE first quarter of 2004 because of various international laws regardingt layoffs, Petry said.  K On Tuesday at the company's SunNetwork conference in San Francisco, McNealybL predicted a computing price plunge in coming years as customers realize thatA the hardware and software they're buying is overpriced and overlyvL complicated. But Sun won't be the one experiencing layoffs from that change,G he said, asserting that his company's technology is headed in the rightfK direction. Competitors, though, can't afford to sell the simpler technology D because they rely on revenue sources that would be crushed, he said.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:22:08 -0400u0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>+ Subject: Re: HELP: Using CLI with C programo" Message-ID: <3f69dbb7@news.si.com>  9 >Thanks for the suggestion.  I had considered that, usingtF >lib$get_foreign.  I would like to implement it as a subcommand promptC >like AUTHORIZE, if you can offer any suggestions that direction...    Here's an example in Fortran.p    PROGRAM project  IMPLICIT NONE    INCLUDE '($jpidef)'  INCLUDE '($rmsdef)'    CHARACTER *  12 callerc  CHARACTER *  32 optionn  CHARACTER * 255 command  '  EXTERNAL hg$get_input, project_options   &  INTEGER iosb( 2 ), clen, olen, status    INTEGER callerlen, uic( 2 )  A  INTEGER cli$dcl_parse, cli$dispatch, cli$get_value, hg$get_inpute%  INTEGER lib$get_foreign, sys$getjpiwr    LOGICAL again, dcl, mores  '  COMMON/ cinfo / uic, callerlen, callera    STRUCTURE/ itemlist /  '      INTEGER * 2 buflen/ 0 /, code/ 0 /        INTEGER bufadr, retadr/ 0 /    END STRUCTURE    RECORD /itemlist/ item( 3 )  ' C Obtain the caller's username and UIC.h    item( 1 ).buflen = 12  item( 1 ).code = JPI$_USERNAMEc"  item( 1 ).bufadr = %loc( caller )%  item( 1 ).retadr = %loc( callerlen )   item( 2 ).buflen = 4n  item( 2 ).code = JPI$_UIC  item( 2 ).bufadr = %loc( uic )e,  status = sys$getjpiw( , , , item, iosb, , )  IF( status )THENk  ? C     Status from the call was OK.  Check the I/O status block.s        IF( iosb( 1 ) )THEN  < C  Username of the caller was obtained.  Determine if a full) C  command was given on the command line.   -   status = lib$get_foreign( command, , clen ) %   IF( status .EQ. RMS$_EOF )CALL exite   CALL error( status,e6  1      'F-NOCOMMAND, could not obtain command line' )   IF( clen .EQ. 0 )THEND  @ C      No command was specified on the command line.  Prompt for/ C      it.  Remember that no command was given..         dcl = .FALSE.l       more = .TRUE.S       DO WHILE( more )  6    status = hg$get_input( command, 'PROJECT> ', clen )    IF( status )THENv  ; C       A command was successfully obtained.  Don't get any 
 C       more.r          more = .FALSE.<  &    ELSE IF( status .EQ. RMS$_EOF )THEN  7 C       A CTRL/Z or F10 was entered.  Exit the program.           CALL exit      ELSE!  9 C       Couldn't obtain the command line for some reason.r C       Let the user know.  7        CALL error( status, 'E-NOCOMMAND, could not ' //   1    'obtain command line' )n  	    END IFt         END DO     ELSE  ? C      A command was given on the command line.  Remember this.0         dcl = .TRUE.     END IF  3 C  Parse commands until no more commands are given.p     more = .TRUE..   DO WHILE( more )  A       status = cli$dcl_parse( command( : clen ), project_options,o  1        hg$get_input )       IF( status )THEN  7 C   The command was successfully parsed.  Determine thes: C   command and dispatch the appropriate action.  Tell the0 C   caller of any errors that may have occurred.      status = cli$dispatch( )     CALL error( status,4  1       'E-NODISPATCH, could not execute command' )  + C   Obtain another command, if appropriate.s      IF( dcl )THEN  < C       A command was entered on the DCL line.  Don't prompt C       for any more commands.          more = .FALSE.       ELSEO          again = .TRUE.h        DO WHILE( again )  0     status = hg$get_input( command, 'PROJECT> ',  1            clen )     IF( status )THEN           again = .FALSE.   '     ELSE IF( status .EQ. RMS$_EOF )THENr  5 C        CTRL-Z or F10 was entered.  Don't prompt fory C        any more commands.e           more = .FALSE.         again = .FALSE.        ELSE  - C        An error occurred obtaining the next ! C        command.  Tell the user.n  .         CALL error( status, 'E-NOCOMMAND, ' //#  1     'could not obtain command' )o  
     END IF  
        END DO   	    END IFs  
       ELSE  < C   Could not parse the command line.  Let the user know and C   obtain another command.n      CALL error( status,2  1       'E-INVCMD, could not parse the command' )    again = .TRUE.k    DO WHILE( again )  :        status = hg$get_input( command, 'PROJECT> ', clen )        IF( status )THENw       again = .FALSE.t  *        ELSE IF( status .EQ. RMS$_EOF )THEN  5 C    CTRL-Z or F10 was entered.  Don't prompt for anyv C    more commands.n       more = .FALSE.     again = .FALSE.a          ELSEh  2 C    An error occurred obtaining the next command. C    Tell the user.   4     CALL error( status, 'E-NOCOMMAND, could not ' //  1        'obtain command' )  
        END IF   	    END DO          END IF     END DO  	      ELSEw  @ C  An error occurred while obtaining caller's username.  Let the C  caller know.t     status = iosb( 1 )   CALL error( status,B9  1      'E-ERRJPIOSB, error obtaining process username' )         END IFl    ELSEs  J C     An error occurred while obtaining caller's username.  Let the caller C     know.   G      CALL error( status, 'E-ERRJPI, error obtaining process username' )     END IFt
  CALL exit  END/ C  CMS REPLACEMENT HISTORY, Element PROJECT.FORr> C  *1    31-MAR-1994 12:08:35 TILLMAN "PROJECT's main program"/ C  CMS REPLACEMENT HISTORY, Element PROJECT.FORe  % The CLD file is for the DCL level is:g   define syntax exit_syntaxe  parameter p1, value(required)   define syntax grant_syntax  parameter p1, value(required)E  parameter p2, label=identifier, prompt="Identifier", value(required)-A  parameter p3, label=username, prompt="Username", value(required)e.  qualifier file, nonnegatable, placement=local   define syntax help_syntax   parameter p1, value(required)E  parameter p2, label=topic, prompt="Topic", value(type=$rest_of_line)    define syntax revoke_syntaxn  parameter p1, value(required)E  parameter p2, label=identifier, prompt="Identifier", value(required) A  parameter p3, label=username, prompt="Username", value(required)i.  qualifier file, nonnegatable, placement=local   define syntax show_syntaxu  parameter p1, value(required)E  parameter p2, label=identifier, prompt="Identifier", value(required) D  qualifier output, default, value(default=sys$output,type=$outfile),     nonnegatable   define type command_options !  keyword add, syntax=grant_syntaxe!  keyword exit, syntax=exit_syntax #  keyword grant, syntax=grant_syntax !  keyword help, syntax=help_syntax !  keyword list, syntax=show_syntaxj!  keyword quit, syntax=exit_syntax %  keyword remove, syntax=revoke_syntax %  keyword revoke, syntax=revoke_syntax !  keyword show, syntax=show_syntaxD   define verb project>  image utility:projectI  parameter p1, label=option, prompt="Option", value(type=command_options)L/ !  CMS REPLACEMENT HISTORY, Element PROJECT.CLD L !  *2    22-JAN-1996 19:48:28 TILLMAN "Changed syntax name for LIST to avoid conflict with other CLDs" B !  *1    31-MAR-1994 12:07:35 TILLMAN "PROJECT command definition"/ !  CMS REPLACEMENT HISTORY, Element PROJECT.CLDe  ; The internal CLD (for internal command line processing) is:    module project_options define verb exit
  synonym quitc  routine exit_commando   define verb grant>  synonym add  routine grant_commandE  parameter p1, label=identifier, prompt="Identifier", value(required)>F  parameter p2, label=username, prompt="Username", value(list,required).  qualifier file, nonnegatable, placement=local   define verb help  routine help_command D  parameter p1 label=topic, prompt="Topic", value(type=$rest_of_line)   define verb list
  synonym show   routine list_commandhE  parameter p1, label=identifier, prompt="Identifier", value(required) F  qualifier output, default, value(default="SYS$OUTPUT",type=$outfile),     nonnegatable   define verb revoke  synonym removep  routine revoke_command>E  parameter p1, label=identifier, prompt="Identifier", value(required)kF  parameter p2, label=username, prompt="Username", value(list,required).  qualifier file, nonnegatable, placement=local7 !  CMS REPLACEMENT HISTORY, Element PROJECT_OPTIONS.CLD J !  *1    31-MAR-1994 12:12:45 TILLMAN "Definitions for PROJECT's commands"7 !  CMS REPLACEMENT HISTORY, Element PROJECT_OPTIONS.CLD  -- >
 Brian Tillmann Smiths Aerospace 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991o> Brian.Tillman is the name, smiths-aerospace.com is the domain.  : I don't speak for Smiths, and Smiths doesn't speak for me.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 07:48:09 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c0 Subject: Re: how to add a printer (HP laser jet)3 Message-ID: <ivzdRkjRkjFk@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  b In article <170920031045341665%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: > G > The port _is_ 9100 for a raw socket port.  If you use LPD instead, no " > internal queue name is required.  G    That's a new one on me.  I've never seen LPD set up without a server F    queue (printer) name.  Also, I thought you could change the streams    port number.>  E > The closest thing to built-in drivers for OpenVMS is DCPS.  I'm notrF > sure what you mean by integration between the JetDirect card and the@ > queue manager.  The JetDirect card gets its print jobs via theG > protocols it supports (for OpenVMS, that's raw IP, LPD and AppleTalk) E > and there would be nothing further to be gained from any additionalg > integration with the card.  D   That nice application I download for my Mac where I can access theH   configuration remotely would be a nice addition to VMS.  Not required,+   but handy.  Is this simply done via SNMP?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:03:40 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>0 Subject: Re: how to add a printer (HP laser jet)5 Message-ID: <180920031203397141%paul.anderson@hp.com>l  ? In article <ivzdRkjRkjFk@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Bob Koehler 0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  C > I've never seen LPD set up without a server queue (printer) name.   D Well, that could be, but in most cases the name would be redundant. D Most printers these days do not require an internal LPD queue name. E The exceptions in the Digital/Compaq line are the DEClaser 3500, LN17r and Colorwriter LSR 2000.i  ; > Also, I thought you could change the streams port number.   C I think I've seen that.  I've also seen printers on which you couldr0 change the LPD port number from the default 515.  D > That nice application I download for my Mac where I can access the> > configuration remotely would be a nice addition to VMS.  Not5 > required, but handy.  Is this simply done via SNMP?   G Do you mean the HP LaserJet Utility?  Yes, it's very handy and I use it:? often.  I believe it talks to printers via AppleTalk, not SNMP.   F Most printers nowadays have their own web pages that allow you to view! and change printer configuration.    Paul   -- e  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering-   Hewlett-Packard Companyb   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 10:48:13 -0700% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)t# Subject: How to order VMS licenses? = Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0309180948.782aa821@posting.google.com>A  / Does a base license allow 64 interactive loginsr  + What additional license do I need for that?e  ) I want to form 2 disks into a shadow set.    What do I need to get that?i   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 07:56:55 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l6 Subject: Re: How to use shareable image to share data?3 Message-ID: <Bf4cOnDz+VkN@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  U In article <3F68A3DF.978BCAC1@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:a > F > Note: It looks like what you're trying to do here is make your C.EXEC > file your backing store address. If you don't need the data to beuH > persistant, you can do a SYS$CRMPSC of your COMMON area using the pageI > file as a backing store, or you can just use the SYS$CRMPSC as a set ofeJ > Page Table Entries, with no backing store. In this way you don't have toJ > install your EXE with /write, because you won't be modifying it.  If youI > NEED your data to be persistent, you might also need to do a SYS$UPDSEC E > service occasionally to insure your changes are written back to the 
 > C.EXE file.  >       For what it's worth:o  C    When I changed a system from using installed shareable images tooG    using permanent global sections, I found it was handy to still buildtD    the equivalent of C.EXE and use that as the backing store.  I didF    make assumptions about the size of the image header since I wasn't H    really using it as an image.  In my case $UPDSEC wasn't really neededG    because the data was for inter-process communication in a real-time lH    system and stale data was of no value, but unless the system crashed F    the data did get flushed to the disk.  Normal system shutdown will C    flush the data out of memory.  So will image rundown of the lasts)    image mapping a non-permanent section.D  F    The decision to use permanent sections had to do with the real-timeE    nature of the system.  We wanted to only create the sections once.N   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 08:06:33 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)O6 Subject: Re: How to use shareable image to share data?3 Message-ID: <07JRZ7XTZLYP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <IJ5ab.5020$Bc1.2773@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: > G >   I prefer to avoid commons, as these are position-dependent and tendAG >   to be (in my experience) maintenance headaches -- applications thatcG >   use commons tend to need to be relinked with regularity, as OpenVMShD >   and application code changes and moves the address space around.  G    I only had position dependency with commons turn out to be a problemgH    once.  (Fortran commons default to NOPIC and REL).  Every image maps G    the common to a different address in a self consistent way; if your rG    not using pointers you don't care where that is.  We had one system kF    where the common incuded pointers to data in the common, so it was G    built position-dependent (based image).  All the sharing images had a-    to see the pointers having the same value.   E    This was broken circa VMS 6.2 with some significant changes to theaC    RTL that didn't merge well with a based image.  I simply went indE    and updated the code to use relative pointers and then removed thei    base option from the link.o     H    I could have simply separated the pointers into a NOSHR section, but *    that would have been more code changes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:40:11 +0100.* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005t' Message-ID: <bkbuep$in9$1@lore.csc.com>h   Rob Young wrote: >  ... I >         Questions abound.  How does an OS take advantage of Vanderpool?n >         Is it transparent?   Leave it at "questions abound".n  C The IPF is also about application redesign, a new way of looking at  processing data.  1 The O/S provides the ability to use the hardware.   C The application then has to be able to keep a parallel, or multiple C parallel processors busy. Studying the Beowulf cluster concepts ande applications may be helpful.   -- .? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesw nclews at csc dot comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:19:21 +0100rO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>d) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005i0 Message-ID: <bkceti$oia$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   John Smith wrote:g* > Then there's this article and quote..... > 5 > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1269660,00.asp  > 2 >       Intel CTO: Desktop Isn't Ready for 64 Bits >       By Mark HachmanC >       September 15, 2003 >  > L >       SAN JOSE, Calif.-Sixty-four bit computing won't be needed on desktopJ > PCs for several more years, according to Pat Gelsinger, chief technology > officer at Intel Corp. ......h > H >       ie. no volume in the 64-bit market from Intel for years.....read/ > higher prices....read lower adoption rates...n >  >  >   - If you don't have a product .................    regards  Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:18:15 +0100tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>d) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005 0 Message-ID: <bkcerf$oia$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messages% > news:3F6785FD.D135B863@istop.com...o >  >>question:  >>I >>what does dual core mean from the point of view of the operating systemv >  > andq >  >>scheduling ? >>J >>Does it appear as a single (faster) chip to the OS, or does the OS see 2 >  > cpus >   >>which it can use for SMP etc ? >  > K > Dual core looks exactly like 2 CPUs in a single CPU socket.  So it allowsiB > 2-socket systems to become 4-way, 4-socket to become 8-way, etc. >  >  >   4 I think one of the questions was how this plays with7 something like Oracle that likes to know (for licensing & reasons) how many CPU's a system has).  8 Your answer appears to be 2 cores 2 CPU's hence 2 Oracle	 licenses.t   Regards  Andrew Harrisona   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:13:19 GMTh9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>v) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005e1 Message-ID: <PIlab.5097$PW1.775@news.cpqcorp.net>e  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e; wrote in message news:bkcerf$oia$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >l6 > I think one of the questions was how this plays with9 > something like Oracle that likes to know (for licensings( > reasons) how many CPU's a system has). >d: > Your answer appears to be 2 cores 2 CPU's hence 2 Oracle > licenses.  >   . That is an Oracle business practices question.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 06:15:57 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)B Subject: Re: init/queue/start/processor=ucx$telnetsym/on=... hangs3 Message-ID: <88kpDAdHrTg2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <vmfbsv4bbc09ac@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: - > Queue shows as "starting" but never starts.E > 9 > The $init never completes (^Y/^C must be used to abort)T > D > The node has telnet enabled ... must I also start telnet symbiont? > 
 > If so, how?0   Usual stuff:  
 Which stack ?T  & What was the exact init command used ?   $ show queue/full output ?   Suggestions:  < Any difference if you do the init and the start as 2 steps ?  ( Is there a network route to the device ?  % Did you use the correct port number ?   N Can you telnet to the port ? (Cut and paste the hostname from the init command as a check for typing errors)    Simon.   -- pB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 00:40:58 -0700; From: Dominique.GEORGES@dom-auralann.be (Dominique GEORGES)t% Subject: Re: MySQL 4.0.15 for OpenVMSu= Message-ID: <9f6f3333.0309172340.2ea23890@posting.google.com>s   Jean-Franois,  ) any idea of the integration PHP / MySQL ?cE Right now, I use them separately, but am NOT able to use the power ofi both !  > Neither able to use the free scpripts we can find on Internet.  D I think it is VERY important to have such libraries to prove OpenVMS% is really OPEN to the Internet world.u  
 Best regards,v
 Dominique.W jf.pieronne@laposte.net wrote in message news:<bk9ufl$as3$1@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr>...U	 > Hi all,d > F > the latest stable MySQL release 4.0.15 is now available for OpenVMS.C > Can be download from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/f! > or from one of the two mirrors:e' > http://erebus.homeip.net/mirror/kits/ % > http://www.vsm.com.au/ftp/jfp/kits/u > O > Please download from the mirrors, they are much faster than the primary site.  > 	 > Thanks,a >  >  > Jean-Franoiso   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:25 -0500r( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)% Subject: Re: MySQL 4.0.15 for OpenVMSF1 Message-ID: <03091809432554@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e   Dominique wrote:+ > any idea of the integration PHP / MySQL ?nG > Right now, I use them separately, but am NOT able to use the power of  > both ! > @ > Neither able to use the free scpripts we can find on Internet. > F > I think it is VERY important to have such libraries to prove OpenVMS' > is really OPEN to the Internet world.h  L I agree!  With the deluge of FREEWARE and OPENWARE, management is asking theL questions why can not VMS?  We can do it for free on another platform (yeah,> nothing is ever free .... but they do not see it that way...).   What about MySQL for V7.2-1 ?m  ( Is MySQL able to access DBMS-32 ?  RMS ?  E Making the F/O-WARE fit and work within my legacy environment is KEY!e     > Best regards,  > Dominique.* > jf.pieronne@laposte.net wrote in message0 > news:<bk9ufl$as3$1@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr>... > > Hi all,6 > > H > > the latest stable MySQL release 4.0.15 is now available for OpenVMS.E > > Can be download from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/n# > > or from one of the two mirrors: ) > > http://erebus.homeip.net/mirror/kits/d' > > http://www.vsm.com.au/ftp/jfp/kits/o > > Q > > Please download from the mirrors, they are much faster than the primary site.  > >  > > Thanks,a > >  > >  > > Jean-Frangoisa       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*ne VMS Systems Administratorn* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 05:57:04 -0700% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)d! Subject: Need quotes for a systemt= Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0309180457.22a538a6@posting.google.com>I  D I need quotes or some vendor names.  I have contacted HP, but I will need more quotes.    Here is the system specs:a  6 Alphaserver DS10/466 hz with dual ethernet controllers  = 2 twisted-pair to BNC ethernet media converters, assuming thes Alphaserver has twisted-pair  
 1 gig memory a    2 9.1 gig hard disk SCSI drives    SCSI controller    SCSI Tape drive(  . Open VMS 7.2-1 or earlier version if necessary  # DECnet phase IV and TCP/IP software.   Disk shadowing softwaren  # DECnet phase IV and TCP/IP softwareo   VT style keyboardo  # power cord, 2.5 meter United Statesr   3-button mouse   17'' monitor   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:28:27 +0000 (UTC)i, From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)% Subject: Re: Need quotes for a system . Message-ID: <bkciur$dp4$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes in article <ea44f5a1.0309180457.22a538a6@posting.google.com> dated 18 Sep 2003 05:57:04 -0700:nE >I need quotes or some vendor names.  I have contacted HP, but I wille >need more quotes.   cpuoptions.com islandco.com   >Here is the system specs: >s7 >Alphaserver DS10/466 hz with dual ethernet controllers  >y> >2 twisted-pair to BNC ethernet media converters, assuming the >Alphaserver has twisted-paira  L You might be able to pick up BNC/TP combo cards cheap.  But then if you ever3 upgrade from BNC to TP they'll only work at 10half.S   >1 gig memory  >o! >2 9.1 gig hard disk SCSI drives o >d >SCSI controller >  >SCSI Tape drive  ' You need to decide what kind of tape.  G  / >Open VMS 7.2-1 or earlier version if necessary  >n$ >DECnet phase IV and TCP/IP software >  >Disk shadowing software  ( You need to decide per-disk or per-node.  $ >DECnet phase IV and TCP/IP software >  >VT style keyboard > $ >power cord, 2.5 meter United States >D >3-button mouse" >S
 >17'' monitor$  G You didn't specify a graphics card, but since you want a KB, mouse, and   monitor you probably need one.    I In my experience it's best to buy the monitor separately.  Any PC monitor 
 will work.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgM> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 08:16:37 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????D3 Message-ID: <G+pGIq25F3lx@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  _ In article <3F686534.DB8D17DD@ntlworld.com>, "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> writes:  > A > http://www.hp-interex.org/site/shop/shopsublistnonmem.asp?id=91h > E > where I discover that a hobbyist membership, which will allow me to.J > apply for a hobbyist license, costs 52.88  (UK pounds), which is aroundJ > $85. So it is not free as the FAQ says. So the total cost of being aboutG > to get a set of media and install some osftware is not $30, but aboutS > $115.   A    You do not have to join Interex, unless someone has snuck in aa?    significant change to the hobbyist program without all of usk"    noticing (and raising a stink).  E    You can join Encompass as an associate (free) and get the hobbyisty
    license.     H    You do not have to buy the hobbyist CD if you have some other way to E    get the software (I borrowed CDs from work).  The software on the iE    hobbyist CD is no different from the software on the distribution  E    you can order through normal channels from HP, it's just a subset t:    at a cheap price for those who can't get one elsewhere.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:24:22 +0100e0 From: "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com>9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????e, Message-ID: <3F69CE26.961738B1@ntlworld.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > a > In article <3F686534.DB8D17DD@ntlworld.com>, "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> writes:d > >rC > > http://www.hp-interex.org/site/shop/shopsublistnonmem.asp?id=91- > > G > > where I discover that a hobbyist membership, which will allow me tohL > > apply for a hobbyist license, costs 52.88  (UK pounds), which is aroundL > > $85. So it is not free as the FAQ says. So the total cost of being aboutI > > to get a set of media and install some osftware is not $30, but aboutu	 > > $115.a > C >    You do not have to join Interex, unless someone has snuck in anA >    significant change to the hobbyist program without all of usp$ >    noticing (and raising a stink).  G No, that appears to still be the case, so there is no reason to raise a" stink!  @G >    You can join Encompass as an associate (free) and get the hobbyistb
 >    license.e  F It is unclear whether that is for UK residents too. The web page where one joins Emcompassg  9 https://secure2.sba.com/encompass/memberApp/associate.cfm   A asks no questions about your country and is clearly US orientated-= (State, ZIP code). I have applied, and have received an email D confirmation of my application, but have received no confirmation of acceptance.   C How do they send you confirmation of acceptance - is it all done by@H email, or do they send bits of paper in the post which need to be signed and returned ?   I >    You do not have to buy the hobbyist CD if you have some other way to,F >    get the software (I borrowed CDs from work).  The software on theF >    hobbyist CD is no different from the software on the distributionF >    you can order through normal channels from HP, it's just a subset< >    at a cheap price for those who can't get one elsewhere.  E Cheers. I don't have access to any OpenVMS CD's. Whether or not it iswG possible to create an iso image on a VMS system and write that to CD onlF a UNIX system is unknown. But if that is possible, I may have a way of doing this.   F I would add I'm still not convinced I will install OpenVMS. The hassleH of re-configuring my Alpha is putting me off somewhat, as I will need to swap both disks out. w  H Is it easy to dual boot OpenVMS and Tru64 if they are on separate disks? -- =A "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably D> the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge.   Dr. David Kirkby,c Senior Research Fellow,t Department of Medical Physics, University College London," 11-20 Capper St, London, WC1E 6JA., Website: http://www.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/~davek- Author of 'atlc' http://atlc.sourceforge.net/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:18:15 +01001( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????w8 Message-ID: <bkclu4$8as8$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>  ; "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> wrote in message/& news:3F69CE26.961738B1@ntlworld.com... > Bob Koehler wrote: > >oC > > In article <3F686534.DB8D17DD@ntlworld.com>, "Dr. David Kirkby"  <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> writes:  > > >rE > > > http://www.hp-interex.org/site/shop/shopsublistnonmem.asp?id=91e > > >nI > > > where I discover that a hobbyist membership, which will allow me to G > > > apply for a hobbyist license, costs 52.88  (UK pounds), which isx aroundH > > > $85. So it is not free as the FAQ says. So the total cost of being about K > > > to get a set of media and install some osftware is not $30, but about  > > > $115.e > >oE > >    You do not have to join Interex, unless someone has snuck in aoC > >    significant change to the hobbyist program without all of us & > >    noticing (and raising a stink). >.I > No, that appears to still be the case, so there is no reason to raise a  > stink! >-I > >    You can join Encompass as an associate (free) and get the hobbyist  > >    license.o > H > It is unclear whether that is for UK residents too. The web page where > one joins Emcompass0 >a; > https://secure2.sba.com/encompass/memberApp/associate.cfmk >dC > asks no questions about your country and is clearly US orientatedt? > (State, ZIP code). I have applied, and have received an emailuF > confirmation of my application, but have received no confirmation of
 > acceptance.s >lE > How do they send you confirmation of acceptance - is it all done by,J > email, or do they send bits of paper in the post which need to be signed > and returned ? > K > >    You do not have to buy the hobbyist CD if you have some other way to H > >    get the software (I borrowed CDs from work).  The software on theH > >    hobbyist CD is no different from the software on the distributionH > >    you can order through normal channels from HP, it's just a subset> > >    at a cheap price for those who can't get one elsewhere. >lG > Cheers. I don't have access to any OpenVMS CD's. Whether or not it isoI > possible to create an iso image on a VMS system and write that to CD onuH > a UNIX system is unknown. But if that is possible, I may have a way of
 > doing this.  >tH > I would add I'm still not convinced I will install OpenVMS. The hassleJ > of re-configuring my Alpha is putting me off somewhat, as I will need to > swap both disks out. >9J > Is it easy to dual boot OpenVMS and Tru64 if they are on separate disks?  	 Yes, e.g.o  >>> boot -fl 0,1 dka0     to VMS >>> boot -fl a dka100    to T64h     -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/20030   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:33:50 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ???? / Message-ID: <O7lab.503444$o%2.223052@sccrnsc02>t  _ In article <3F69CE26.961738B1@ntlworld.com>, "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> writes:r !snip!G !I would add I'm still not convinced I will install OpenVMS. The hassleoI !of re-configuring my Alpha is putting me off somewhat, as I will need too !swap both disks out.  ! I !Is it easy to dual boot OpenVMS and Tru64 if they are on separate disks?o  G I have done this on my PWS433au - one needs to remeber that the os_typenM parameter on the SRM console needs to be changed, and that the boot flags aretN different for each OS.  Otherwise, I saw no significant issues in keeping each OS on a separate disk.   !-- B !"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably ? !the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge.t !. !Dr. David Kirkby, !Senior Research Fellow, !Department of Medical Physics,y !University College London, # !11-20 Capper St, London, WC1E 6JA.-- !Website: http://www.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/~davek3. !Author of 'atlc' http://atlc.sourceforge.net/  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"eK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' m0                                          with @"   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 12:02:40 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)U9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????23 Message-ID: <bVzDF4EToDKH@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  _ In article <3F69CE26.961738B1@ntlworld.com>, "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> writes:  > J > Is it easy to dual boot OpenVMS and Tru64 if they are on separate disks?  G    Yep.  Basically you specify the boot disk and any OS-dependent flagsoE    with the boot command.  You may want to set it up so that it won't2,    automatically boot to either on power-up.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:21:34 +0100tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>U Subject: Re: OpenVMS Securityl0 Message-ID: <bkcf1m$oia$4@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bk6o0m$mus$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >> >>>In article <bk4rhg$3j0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:s >>>n >>>h= >>>>What should however be entirely obvious to you and anyone ; >>>>with sense is that CERT is not the place to go tallyingt: >>>>up OE tables of vunerabilites if OpenVMS is one of the7 >>>>OE's in question. It would be an entirely dishonestf >>>>excercise. >>>n >>>r2 >>>   So what alternative do you want to point to? >>>. >>5 >>OpenVMS vunerabilites are "reported" in a number ofI5 >>places CERT sometimes, HP security updates, OpenVMSC7 >>patch reports, BugTraq reports. There is no one placea= >>and often advice differs on the same vunerability depending  >>on where you look. >># >>So you come up with a suggestion.  >>? >>I have never suggested that this kind of excercise is usefullL9 >>in the first place though obviously having some sort ofi" >>definitive source would be good. >>	 >>Regards  >>Andrew Harrisons >  > B > the trouble is you will not find that many ... and you will growD > bored very fast waiting around for the 14th which may take another > 5 years ... :)  8 Sorry Bob but what I have shown is that if you look only8 a little you find quite a few more than anyone expected.   regardsW Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 08:46:17 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n= Subject: Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solarisp3 Message-ID: <wk+oMlwzSWK0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <d7791aa1.0309171500.74219a56@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:s > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<vJZ9b.53112$DZ.3825@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... 6 >> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1269850,00.asp >> o/ >> Solaris Flaw Leaves Machines Open to Attacks  > C > well Andrew, VMS would have handled this a little differently ...s > H > http://www.process.com/techsupport/multinet/faqs/multinetsnmpcert.html  F    I don't see any hook where the Solaris hole is the same as the SNMPF    hole.  The Solaris sadmin deamon is more closely comparable to VMS'    SYSMAN utility.  ?    But while we're on that topic, I see the Solaris response to 9    that CERT indicates the attacker can gain root access.a  D    And, OBTW, both Multinet and TCP/IP services simply ACCVIO to theK    SNMP attack (causing it to exit) and restart on the next SNMP request.  DC    This despite Tru64 (which TCP/IP services code is based on) alsou/    exits (may core dump), but does not restart.C    rH    Also, note that Multinet is listed on the vendors page as vulnerable.A    This is misleading, at best.  IMHO reporting an error and theno8    servicing the next request is not a security problem.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:10:01 +0100RO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>== Subject: Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris 0 Message-ID: <bkcec1$oia$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   John Smith wrote:e5 > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1269850,00.aspo > . > Solaris Flaw Leaves Machines Open to Attacks >  > September 16, 2003 > By  Dennis Fisher  >  > J > There is a serious security flaw in several versions of both Solaris andN > Trusted Solaris that make it possible for virtually any remote or local userJ > to gain root privileges on a vulnerable machine. There is also a workingG > exploit for this vulnerability circulating in the security community.L >   : It isn't new, the vunerability and the work around for the0 vunerability were first published as CA-1999-16.   Regardsm Andrew Harrison N > The problem lies in the Solstice AdminSuite, a set of tools Sun MicrosystemsG > Inc. includes with the operating system that allows administrators togN > perform remote administration tasks. The tool set uses the sadmind daemon toG > execute these tasks. The daemon by default uses a weak authenticationfE > scheme, which allows an attacker to send a series of special RemotemK > Procedure Call (RPC) packets to the daemon and forge a client's identity,eM > according to an advisory on the flaw published Tuesday by iDefense Inc., int
 > Reston, Va.p > K > Once this is accomplished, the attacker can do whatever he chooses on thep > compromised machine. > M > The sadmind daemon is installed by default on most default installations ofmG > Solaris. The issue affects versions 7, 8 and 9 of Solaris, as well asfG > Trusted Solaris 7 and 8, on both the Sparc and x86 platforms. TrustedtE > Solaris is the hardened version of Sun's flagship operating system.f > L > Sun, based in Santa Clara, Calif., does not plan to issue a patch for thisN > vulnerability. However, the company has published a security advisory, which > includes a workaround. > J > IDefense officials recommend placing inbound filters on TCP and UDP port, > 111, which is used by the Sun RPC service. >  > ? > Copyright (c) 2003 Ziff Davis Media Inc. All Rights Reserved.e >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:13:31 +0100nO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>,= Subject: Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted SolarisE0 Message-ID: <bkci33$pvr$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:Cs > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<vJZ9b.53112$DZ.3825@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...a > 5 >>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1269850,00.asp. >>. >>Solaris Flaw Leaves Machines Open to Attacks >  > C > well Andrew, VMS would have handled this a little differently ...  > H > http://www.process.com/techsupport/multinet/faqs/multinetsnmpcert.html     Humm  , http://www.process.com/techsupport/cert.html  5 Shows that Multinet and TCPware were vunerable to SSH= and Bind CERT vunerabilites.    So what exactly was you point ??  3 Incedentally this also exposes the lie that TCPWAREn3 and MultiNet have been unaffected by any of the DOSt0 attacks that effected UCX/TCPIP for OpenVMS. The$ BIND advisory includes a DOS attack.  9 So you owe me and the group an complete and full appology & your postings are factually incorrect.   regardsT Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 12:01:07 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e= Subject: Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solarisp3 Message-ID: <cYACnvLWgWe8@eisner.encompasserve.org>n   In article <bkci33$pvr$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > ; > So you owe me and the group an complete and full appology ( > your postings are factually incorrect.  A    Except that my post showed that the CERT posts are misleading.4   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:30:16 GMT.5 From: Matthew Doremus <Matthew.Doremus@hp.com.NoSpam>f< Subject: Re: PHP library containing PREG_MATCH, ... commands, Message-ID: <3F69DD97.9000805@hp.com.NoSpam>   Hi Dominque,  C    I'm glad to see that things are working better.  With regard to gH MySQL, the next release of PHP for OpenVMS (i.e. CSWS_PHP V1.2, base on I PHP 4.3.2) will provide the MySQL extension and should be available very   soon, hopefully within weeks.  w   Thanks,t      Matts   Dominique GEORGES wrote:  ! >Oupsss, it was so easy to do ...') >Thanks for the fast and PRECISE answer !  >wE >What about MYSQL calls in PHP (CSWS_PHP) ???  I just installed MySQLhE >on my VMS system, wrote a PHP script and at the run time... "Call tor >undefined function" >. >Arghh,r
 >Dominique >oj >Matthew Doremus <Matthew.Doremus@hp.com.NoSpam> wrote in message news:<3F686E4A.8090801@hp.com.NoSpam>... >o >>Hi Dominique,t >>J >>   Are you referring to the CSWS_PHP kit for OpenVMS ?  If so, the PCRE H >>extension is available as a loadable extension and not bundled as you H >>mention.  To enable the PCRE extension for all PHP scripts you should A >>edit PHP_ROOT:[000000]PHP.INI and uncomment the following line VI >> ";extension=php_pcre.exe" or add a dl call in the specific scripts to -  >>load it (i.e. dl("php_pcre")). >>	 >>Thanks,1 >>	 >>   Mattr >> >>Dominique GEORGES wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>>:G >>>I need to use preg_split(), preg_replace(), ... PHP commands, but it%6 >>>seems they are not bundled in the OpenVMS PHP kit ! >>>oB >>>I found the sources on http://www.pcre.org, but was not able to@ >>>compile it, ... (I'm NOT a prorammer, just a system manager). >>>t( >>>Is there anybody who already did it ? >>>c
 >>>Thanks, >>>Dominique >>>t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:13:01 -0400h$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>- Subject: Re: Remove Pathworks/Advanced Server , Message-ID: <bkclif$ado$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi,s  5 Since pwrk$config aborted, you're not yet configured.o  K _ASSUMING_ this is a new setup - that is, there's no previous configuration & that needs to be preserved - try this:   $ delete pwrk$lmdomains:*.*;*t $ delete pwrk$lmdatafiles:*.*;*d $ @sys$startup:pwrk$config  L If you still receive pwrk$config errors, define the logical below, reproduce* the error and then post those errors here.  (         $ define/system pwrk$debug_com 1     HTH,   Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:51:55 -0500l( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)* Subject: Re: SMTP: SFF on different node ?1 Message-ID: <03091809515517@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   J > The best documentation on the Send From File which allows one to send an> > RFC822 message to the SMTP engine is in the Ask the Wizard.  > % > However, it lacks some information.2 > M > Namely, how does SFF actually work ? Does it connect to the SMTP server andaJ > simply use SMTP commands to send the message, using the SMTP server as aM > relay, or does it parse the SMTP commands inside the file and then manuallya3 > add that file to the SMTP queues for processing ?n > N > I ask in the context of whether it would be conceptually possible to run theP > SFF on a node which doesn't have the SMTP server and have the SFF connect to a# > remote server to submit the file.e  L My VMS server is configured to route SMTP to a mail-host - which is the SMTPI gateway.  Yes, the VMS server is configured for SMTP though.  This works,oG however I am not sure if it answers your question or it is what you areO attempting to do.   J If you are mailing to the remote server and the recpipient has an alias onH that remote server forwarding to a SMTP address I would assume so.  I am0 thinking along the lines of DECnet and VMS MAIL.   L_NODE::ME> mail  
 MAIL> send To:     R_NODE::ME Subj:   testH Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, or CTRL/C to quit: Hellon ^z       R_NODE::ME> mail   MAIL> show forward  /user=ME4 ME has mail forwarded to SMTP%"Me.Mylast@domain.com"         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nt VMS Systems Administratora* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:45:49 GMTd# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o+ Subject: Re: source for 431 pin CPU socket? H Message-ID: <xyjab.31009$Ch2.23310@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  + Try one of the big electronics supply shopsn  ! http://www.futureelectronics.com/a  ; http://www.future-active.com/Comergent/en/US/adirect/future    http://www.avnet.com/s   or a local surplus shop.     Bob Koehler wrote:H >    I have a bad CPU ZIF socket on my Alpha.  It's marked as "AMD 431",C >    a 431 pin socket.  Nobody around here carries them and I can't # >    find a source on the internet.f >eG >    Does anyone know of a source for these things (does not have to be-H >    ZIF)?  Does it happen to match some variety of Pentium that I could >    look for instead? >bE >    Without a new socket I'm looking at the possibility of solderings@ >    the chip right to the board.  Since there are surface mountD >    components on the board in the hole in the middle of the socket" >    I'm not sure that's possible. >,G >    I know the CPU is good, it will run on another system.  I know themD >    socket is bad (I can see it).  I believe the rest of the system> >    is good, it was running VMS before the socket got munged.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 09:35:07 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: source for 431 pin CPU socket? 3 Message-ID: <iq+DXOeo$wv6@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  G    I have a bad CPU ZIF socket on my Alpha.  It's marked as "AMD 431",  H    a 431 pin socket.  Nobody around here carries them and I can't find a    source on the internet.  E    Does anyone know of a source for these things (does not have to berF    ZIF)?  Does it happen to match some variety of Pentium that I could    look for instead?  G    Without a new socket I'm looking at the possibility of soldering the E    chip right to the board.  Since there are surface mount componentsr?    on the board in the hole in the middle of the socket I'm noti    sure that's possible.  E    I know the CPU is good, it will run on another system.  I know the B    socket is bad (I can see it).  I believe the rest of the system<    is good, it was running VMS before the socket got munged.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:42:42 +0000 (UTC)e, From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)+ Subject: Re: source for 431 pin CPU socket? . Message-ID: <bkcjpi$fkc$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes in article <iq+DXOeo$wv6@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 18 Sep 2003 09:35:07 -0500:h >/H >   I have a bad CPU ZIF socket on my Alpha.  It's marked as "AMD 431", I >   a 431 pin socket.  Nobody around here carries them and I can't find ai >   source on the internet.t >nF >   Does anyone know of a source for these things (does not have to beG >   ZIF)?  Does it happen to match some variety of Pentium that I could- >   look for instead?a  K It's hard enough to get a 16-pin chip into a non-ZIF socket without bendingA) pins, and you want to try a 431-pin chip?j  H >   Without a new socket I'm looking at the possibility of soldering theF >   chip right to the board.  Since there are surface mount components@ >   on the board in the hole in the middle of the socket I'm not >   sure that's possible.s  L One reason sockets are used is that some chips can be damaged by heat comingL up the pins from soldering.  I don't know whether that's the case with Alpha CPU chips or not.o  F >   I know the CPU is good, it will run on another system.  I know theC >   socket is bad (I can see it).  I believe the rest of the systema= >   is good, it was running VMS before the socket got munged.e  J You might look for a broken Alpha of the same model as yours, to get parts from.  e  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org-> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:22:40 +0100j From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>24 Subject: Re: TCP/IP Services for VMS - sloppy output) Message-ID: <3F695D3F.823DCFA4@Omond.net>f   "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:   > [...snip...] >6J > That's because the person who coded the TCPIP utility (nee, UCX utility)L > used SMG routines to deal with the screen.  The entire screen is formattedL > then WHAM it's put up in one shot, so it contains all of the CR/LFs acrossK > multiple lines as opposed to individual line output appearing as separate  > records in the output.  H Well, that was a really stupid decision to have made.  Very presumptiousH that the output is going to a screen, and also unnecessarily introducing OS-specific code.   ; Any chance of rescinding that decision and fixing the bug ?   	 Roy Omondm Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:37:37 GMTs0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>4 Subject: Re: TCP/IP Services for VMS - sloppy output? Message-ID: <lGhab.109915$bo1.14113@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   L In this case you tomatoes would be misdirected... but you might like to save+ a few for functionality I will admit to :-)u   --  = -------------------------------------------------------------: OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyn Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAh= -------------------------------------------------------------(    6 "JFmezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message# news:3F6922A7.6CF70641@istop.com...  > "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:L > > That's because the person who coded the TCPIP utility (nee, UCX utility)D > > used SMG routines to deal with the screen.  The entire screen is	 formattedrG > > then WHAM it's put up in one shot, so it contains all of the CR/LFss across > > multiple lines >  >sG > Has the person been lynched for this ? Is the person known to work atc poolsideE > or is the person known to live near a surfing beach in sub-tropical"	 australiau1 > ? Can we throw virtual tomatoes at the person ?^ >C > :-) :-) :-) ;-) :-)T   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 06:30:31 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)c: Subject: Re: The vmsnet hierarchy (help may be on the way)3 Message-ID: <$MBbpsWUlmZG@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  l In article <3ew6b.37207$Nc.8776894@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:  E > If you will note, a UDP was previously enacted against that ISP in  N > October of 2000.  It appears that they need a to get their memory refreshed. > K > So I would encourage you to post in the news.admin.net-abuse.policy with yL > your evidence of the length of time for the abuse, and the ISP's inaction. > N > The more people that present evidence, the more likely it is to get results.  = Peter Weaver did so, and the following is from a recent post:   2 > From: Ignacio Arenaza <iarenaza@eb2ebu.ampr.org>) > Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy G > Subject: Re: [RFD] TELENEWS.TELELINE.ES - NEWSFEED.MAD.TTD.NET (TERRAe- > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:47:17 +0000 (UTC)!: > Message-ID: <67n0d2pjoy.fsf@poseidon.eteo.mondragon.edu>1 > X-Organization: Mondragon Unibertsitatea - ETEO  > L > >>>>> "SVD" == SVD  <dolphin@die-spammers-die.dolphinparadise.net> writes: > F >     SVD> of Terra/teleline's local operations, or else they use someF >     SVD> kind of terrible NAT overloading that they're selling theirG >     SVD> customers. (I've seen various ISPs do this, its a major pain: > + > This is more or less what they are doing.o > G > By the way, I have received "private" email[1] from one person of the/H > operations staff of Terra/Teleline news service, telling me they had aD > configuration error in their cleanfeed filter, and that everything- > should go back to "normal" operation again.- >  > Saludos. Iaki.0 > D > [1] I'm on the list of people that runs the es.* hierarchy and theD > Terra/Teleline/Telefonica news service people hang around there. IG > sent a note regarding the UDP proposal and they have sent a note backnF > to the list talking about their cleanfeed config error. I don't knowD > why they don't respond to normal (read anyone's) abuse complaints,	 > though.. >  > - -- n > Computer Science Departments! > Mondragon Unibertsitatea - ETEOs > 20560 Oati - Spaine > +34 943 718009 (ext. 225)h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:00:49 +0100hO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> Y Subject: Re: There is no Joy in Sunville -- mighty Billy has struck out [on his  own] hisL0 Message-ID: <bkcdqp$og4$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   John Smith wrote:t > Jfmezei wrote: >  >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>E >>>Wanna bet that they are about to kill Sparc and move to a merchant< >>>chip like the AMD?r >>G >>If they are smarter than Curly and Carly, they will wait until Hammer. >>haso >>proven itself before ma C >>king any announcement on Sparc's future, **IF** they do intend to  >>switch to Hammer.e >  >  > K > They'll be busy in the back room porting to AMD and not announce it until/' > it's done and AMD has not gone under.m > L > Then they will say that they will keep developing Sparc (chip) for as longC > as there is sufficient market demand, and offer an AMD version ofmK > hardware/Solaris as well. Then to spur the migration to AMD they will say-L > that at current/expected rates of chip development it will be in 200x whenL > they anticipate that the majority of new sales would be on AMD and at thatL > point they will begin to phase out development of Sparc. But they will notJ > sell out their chip engineers until such time as the AMD chip has proven: > beyond all doubt in the marketplace that it can hack it. >  >   B We have offered systems using AMD chips in the past and we will be: announcing new systems later this year that are AMD based.  ? Sun is very aware of the advantages and issues of having a very7B large customer base and ISV portfolio that rely on the consistencyC of our ISA/OE. The consistency is one of the reasons why Sun is thef( 1000 pound gorilla in the 64 bit market.  A Intel got to be the biggest 32bit processor vendor partly because-? they also appeared to understand the need for consistency. More H recently they appear to have forgotten this after a lot of encouragement from HP.  A The almost complete indiffence from ISV's to the lures of Itanium@@ (4 oracle apps from a total of ~300) illustrates the problem  of> breaking compatibility with your previous generation of OE/ISAC only to graphically, don't expect Sun to do anything to precipitaten) the same kind of change in our offerings.o   regardsr Andrew Harrisonp   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:49:43 +0100tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>tY Subject: Re: There is no Joy in Sunville -- mighty Billy has struck out [on his own] his p0 Message-ID: <bkcd60$o5c$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Keith Parris wrote: @ > "Sun announced on September 9, 2003, that co-founder and ChiefH > Scientist Bill Joy is leaving the company. As chief scientist, Joy hasA > been responsible for leading Sun's technical strategy since the G > company was founded in 1982. Now Sun is at the most critical juncturepB > in its history, facing declining revenues and market share while< > coming under attack from the shift to industry standards." > = > CNet says at http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5073205.html :uG > "'I have decided the time is now right for me to move on to differentn' > challenges,' Joy said in a statement.o >   = The fact that is has taken you over a week to notice that Joy > has announced that he is leaving Sun suggests that the FUD and4 speculation that follows in your article is hot air.  B > But some customers might perceive Joy's resignation as a sign ofH > overall financial troubles within the company. 'It's just like when EdH > Zander (Sun's former president and chief operating officer) left. SomeD > see that as rats deserting a sinking ship,' Plummer said. 'Joy has: > been in on every innovative idea since Sun was founded.' >   7 Funny the markets didn't think it was a major issue itsa0 hasn't had a material effect on out share price.  E > That, in turn, could further hurt Sun's already rocky reputation indH > the marketplace. 'A lot of (Sun) customers are looking for a reason to$ > pick someone else,' Plummer said." >oG > It's no fun to work at Sun anymore, apparently.  In any case, there'sn+ > certain to be no Joy in Sun's future. :-)s  D None of the origional founders of HP, Compaq or Digital work for the/ current entity, what should we read into that ?p  B 21 years is a long time. If I was Bill with his money and talent I> might think that getting back to being a programmer was a very attractive option.   regardsb Andrew Harrisonw   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700  From: wmr282@hotmail.com (w m r) Subject: VMS PALCODE questionh= Message-ID: <398c9ca7.0309180842.77a739c3@posting.google.com>h  E Can VMS PALCODE be told to enable HW_MTPR/HW_MFPR for kernel mode, ore? at least enable the 'superpage extension' VA->PA mapping for VAi 4xx.xxxx.xxxx?  1 This is a standalone program, VMS is not running.n  - I am using a Miata (600au) with a 21164A cpu..   Thanks,    Mike   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.518 ************************