1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 19 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 519       Contents:+ Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch , A flood of spams - another virus on the way?$ Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster$ Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster$ Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster$ Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster' Re: how to add a printer (HP laser jet) ' Re: how to add a printer (HP laser jet)  Re: How to order VMS licenses?- Re: How to use shareable image to share data?   Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005  Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005% Kerberized TELNET clients for Windows 0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????4 Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris4 Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris	 pgflquota 
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 Re: pgflquota  PGP for VMS  Re: PGP for VMS  Re: PGP for VMS 3 Re: Porting from UNIX to OpenVMS for a real newbie. O Positive words about HP, Marvel, and the RetainTrust program from Clipper Group + Re: TCP/IP Services for VMS - sloppy output K Re: There is no Joy in Sunville -- mighty Billy has struck out [on his own] 8 VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help needed< Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help needed< Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help needed< Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help needed< Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help needed< Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help needed< Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help needed Re: VMS PALCODE question Re: VMS PALCODE question0 [Q]Determine is a pointer Quad word aligned in C4 Re: [Q]Determine is a pointer Quad word aligned in C  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 13:02:55 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309181202.6d14747f@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bjni1b$ipu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... : > Losing market share in all their markets as HP have done  # Another couple of counter-examples:  --- @ Network Storage and Solutions (NSS): HP StorageWorks systems are
 number one  E With a 26.7 percent share of the market, HP maintained the number one D position in total worldwide disk storage systems by factory revenuesA for the second quarter of 2003 and posted year-over-year gains in E several storage segments, according to market researcher IDC. IBM was D second with 20.2 percent and EMC Corp. was third at 12.7 percent. InD networked disk storage systems, HP StorageWorks led the open storage@ area network (SAN) market for the fourth consecutive quarter andA gained three percentage points of market share year over year. In D addition, StorageWorks held the number one positions in market shareC and by-factory revenue in total external storage and external RAID, # excluding network attached storage.   9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030905a.html  --- C Industry Standard Servers: HP ProLiant DL700 family extends lead in  worldwide market share  C The latest IDC survey (covering the second quarter of 2003) for the B 8-way server market is out, and the HP ProLiant DL740 and DL760 G2@ servers have increased their industry-leading market share to 50C percent, a gain of 4 percent. IBM was second with 37 percent of the E market, slipping 2 percent in these latest results. Overall worldwide E sales in this category grew 4.9 percent year over year. Additionally, F 8-way server sales grew 6.5 percent when compared to the first quarter of 2003. --- A And it's pretty laughable to have someone criticizing HP's market ? share in PCs when they're in a company which has NO significant D nmarket share in PCs (notebooks or not) OR storage, for that matter.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:44:21 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill LynchH Message-ID: <FOoab.32345$Ch2.21058@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   JFmezei wrote: > G > I have a problem with companies who have product lines that are money G > losing and no clear, decisive plan to fix whatever problem that makes C > that product line unprofitable.  If, as some have ponted out, the E > merger is fully consumed and done with, then what is the excuse for / > the wintel crap business still losing money ?   J Same excuse that DEC had when it couldn't make money on PC's....it's there# to support the Enterprise business.        > F > Does Carly just wait for Mickey Dell to have a heart attack and Dell? > to shut down, allowing HP to raise prices and have the wintel F > division become profitable ? Sorry to rain on Carly's parade, but asB > long as Dell exists, I can see a consistent pressure on margins. > C > Where I see a difference however between Dell and HP is worldwide G > reach. When the .com bubble burst, Mickey didn't hesitate to start to F > shutdown/downsize foreign operations and focus on the US market. HisC > JIT business model is less suited to a worldwide operation simply E > because it doesn't make sense to build a PC in texas and use FED Ex ( > to ship it to a customer in Singapore. > C > So HP's distribution paradigm, while an old relic of the past, is 7 > perhaps still better suited to a worldwide operation.   : Sure... but HP will continue to absorb higher costs in itsL supply/inventory/distribution chain as a result. With Dell eating HP's lunchK in the only market (so far) that has the potential to make HP a pantload of G money in PC's, HP eaks out what it can in EMEA and South American/Asian  markets.    D > Perhaps what HP should have done with Compaq is turn Compaq into aC > USA only operation with the same paradigm as Dell, while HP would 4 > have kept the old paradigm and worldwide presence. >  > D > Atr one point, centronics was the de-facto standard for dot matrixF > printers. Then, it was EPSON that took the seat, and then HP. But atF > the time HP unseated EPSON as the de-facto standard printer company,6 > did HP have such a large PC presence in the market ? > D > One can argue that the wintel business is a loss leader to attractD > sales in printer and cameras. But if HP, EPSON and Centronics wereD > able to make their printing business a de-facto standard without aF > big wintel business, one can question the real need to have a wintel > presence for peripherals.   G What are you ... some smart young whippersnapper doing a Walter Hewlett  impersonation?  :-)  :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:14:16 -0400 ) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch) Message-ID: <3F6A2027.CCBF19E2@istop.com>    Keith Parris wrote: B > Network Storage and Solutions (NSS): HP StorageWorks systems are > number one  E OK, when one considers that what is HP's storage business is really a J combination of HP, Compaq and Digital all of which used to compete againstM each other, are there any indications that under the unified company, HP will L be able to retain all of the combined marketshare of the 3 former entities ?  L In reality, while Carly may have declared the merger completed on paper, howM long does it really take before the customer reaction to the mergers is fully  known ?   N In other words, at this point in time, is is still too early to gauge customer1 reaction to all the mergers and product changes ?    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 03 07:34:20 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 5 Subject: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? ) Message-ID: <dZLFASE9Oxar@elias.decus.ch>   6 More spams. Is this another virus / worm on the loose?  O Since 13:44 CET yesterday I have received some 114 spam messages (oops, another # one just came in) in this  account.   J Normally I just get 3 or 4 per day. 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From                 Date         Subject   H   103 MX%"mplrco-tmmppz@co 19-SEP-2003  Current Microsoft Critical Patch.   104 MX%"mailerprogram@am 19-SEP-2003  NoticeC   105 MX%"eqokxhwcarcj@new 19-SEP-2003  New Network Security Update O   106 MX%"mailbot@yahoo.co 19-SEP-2003  Undelivered Message: Returned To Sender 8   107 MX%"imdupgds_bbsvdrl 19-SEP-2003  Latest Net Patch@   108 MX%"mailservice@yaho 19-SEP-2003  Mail: Returned To Sender?   109 MX%"ekjlwjephctmtx_h 19-SEP-2003  new net critical update C   110 MX%"szjdrqhozxmy-lhc 19-SEP-2003  last internet critical pack 4   111 MX%"smtprobot@freema 19-SEP-2003  error noticeK   112 MX%"maildaemon@netma 19-SEP-2003  Undeliverable Message: User unknown    MAIL>    And another just arrived.   G Now, these appear to be junk addresses, but allegedly coming from valid K domains - msn.com, msn.net, yahoo.com, microsoft.com, support.com and other  well known ones.  D 99% seem to be coming from .net and .com addresses, so I also wonder< whether this could be a side effect of the VeriSign change -< reverse lookups and RBLs not functioning properly anymore ??  G Meanwhile on checking another email account, I see my spam filter there C caught one entitled "PayPal Account Security Measures". This one is B inviting me to verify my account details. Nope. Not going there...  F And they are still rolling in by the minute. Definitely not a good day
 for email.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:00:39 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - Subject: Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster ( Message-ID: <bkcrs7$qj5$1@pcls4.std.com>  0 Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:  . >I'm thinking of building a wide area cluster.  H >My goal is to provide a disaster tolerant cluster for both OS and data.  , >My current plan has three sites, A, B, & C.  < Your initial ideas look good, but you'll want to talk to the< Disaster Tolerant Cluster people at HP.  There are a few big: "gotchas" you have to watch out for. One is the following:7 Site A goes down.  Site B stays up for a while.  Site B 9 then goes down.  Site A comes back up.  Guess what - Site : A is running with _old_ data and you've lost transactions!  G >I'm thinking the number votes at site A has must be equal to the votes  >at  >site B.  I This is best because if unbalanced you may get nonideal behavior (backhoe H outside Site A cuts all links to B and C.  Site A stays up while B and C/ don't if votes are too lopsided in favor of A).   : >I have DWDM delivered fibre fabric between sites A and B.  H >All disks are attached via fibre channel. Except site C which will only >have a & >system disk and be attached via SCSI.  A >I'm thinking that each site will have a copy of the system disk. 
 >Identical >except for volume labels.  : Also consider a shadowed system disk (across all 3 sites).< If you go with separate system disks you'll want to move all; the files like UAF, queue files etc. to a shadowset mounted  across all sites.   / >I'm thinking this will be the mount prodecure;   - >$ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1000:","EXISTS") THEN - 7 >$    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST $1$DGA1000: SYSTEMB SYSTEMB - >$ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1001:","EXISTS") THEN - F >$    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA100:/SHADOW=("$1$DGA1001:") DATA1 DATA1 >$! - >$ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1500:","EXISTS") THEN - 7 >$    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST $1$DGA1500: SYSTEMA SYSTEMA - >$ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1501:","EXISTS") THEN - F >$    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA100:/SHADOW=("$1$DGA1501:") DATA1 DATA1 >$!   A Be VERY careful with shadowset mounts.  Doing this wrong will get @ you copying old data over new.  Regardless, your mount procedure* will cause unnecessary copies upon mounts.    F >I'm thinking that if I move the sysuaf file, etc. off the system disk >onto a F >shadowed disk, I'll be able to have the multiple copies of the systemC >disk. This buys me the possibility of taking one site off-line for  >upgrades if necessary.   @ OK.  You can upgrade just one node, too, without the whole site.  E >I'm trying to keep data replicated between sites A and B. But at the  >same time, C >keep all the read I/Os local. I want as little data as possible to  >travel  >between the two sites.   = You can do this with shadowing read_cost, site etc. settings.    --   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:22:57 -0400 ) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> - Subject: Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster ) Message-ID: <3F69F7F6.807C3982@istop.com>    re: procedure to mount disks.   N The way to do this is to first build a string made of of all available devicesL in a shadowset and then issue a single mount command with that string as theN list of devices. This way, you allow VMS to check each device to see which oneL has the most recent data and at this point it becomes a source. Also, if theK shadowset was properly dismounted, and your remount all devices in a single F mount, then VMS is smart enough to know that full copy operation isn't6 necesary, saving lots of system and network resources.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 12:06:14 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) - Subject: Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309181106.18a80aa4@posting.google.com>   d Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in message news:<3F68D16F.532774C2@pressenter.com>.../ > I'm thinking of building a wide area cluster.  > I > My goal is to provide a disaster tolerant cluster for both OS and data.    An excellent choice.  D > Image an equalateral triangle with a site at each point. The sidesJ > represent the network traffic. Any link can go down and network traffic F > will go around the triangle in the other direction. Each side of the > triangle is about 12 miles.   A Allowing the links to the quorum site to be a backup for the main D inter-site link can be an economical solution.  But be aware that if> you have a bridge at each site, and all the bridges are linkedE together, then the Spanning Tree algorithm will turn off one of the 3 E legs of your triangle, as otherwise there would be a loop in the LAN, < and things like multicast packets would circulate "forever".  E As most of your traffic will be between sites A and B, you might want C to set up your bridges' Spanning Tree root priorities so that, say, E the bridge at Site A is normally selected as the root bridge (and the D link between sites B and C would normally be the disabled one), withD the bridge at Site B having the next-best priority value, so that it1 would become the root bridge if Site A were down.   < Another way to avoid having any of the (typically expensive)B inter-site links turned off would be to have two separate spanningE trees, by separating the bridges (this requires multiple LAN adapters > in the hosts at sites A and B, but that's a good thing to have anyway).  0 Site A   Bridge ----------------- Bridge  Site B)         /                               \ -     Nodes                               Nodes )         \             Site C            / +       Bridge -------- Bridge ------- Bridge                           |                     Quorum Node   = For more information on the Spanning Tree algorithm, I highly D recommend the excellent and entertaining book "Interconections" (2nd* ed.) by Radia Perlman, ISBN 0-201-63448-1.  - > First lets talk host config. and skip data.  > ' > I'm thinking of two possible configs:  > / > I could give all five hosts 1 vote each. That I > would yield 5 expected votes and a quorum of 3. Any one site could fail : > and cluster quorum would be maintained by the other two. >  > or:  > I > I could give one host at each site one vote, yielding 3 expected votes, G > and a quorum of 2. The advantage there would be if I added a node to  L > site A ("Bambam") quorum would not have to be recalculated, and I'd still  > have site equality.   A As with the other posters, I'd go with one vote per system, as it < gives you more flexibility to take nodes up and down withoutD disrupting the balance of the effect of votes between sites A and B.  A As another poster pointed out, if you needed an unequal number of E nodes in sites A and B, either give one node 2 votes or one node zero 2 votes to equalize the votes between sites A and B.  H > I'm thinking the number votes at site A has must be equal to the votes > at site B.  D I would certainly recommend that, as it allows the node at Site C toE cast the tie-breaking vote, avoids making an arbitrary decision ahead B of time as to which of Site A or B will continue in the event of a@ loss of communications between the two sites (and instead allowsF whichever site can still talk to Site C to continue), and reduces your) exposure to the "Creeping Doom" scenario.   A And remember that you'll normally NOT want to use the REMOVE_NODE C option to SHUTDOWN.COM when you take down nodes at sites A or B, as 4 that effectively unbalances the votes between sites.  ; > I have DWDM delivered fibre fabric between sites A and B.   E This is great, as it allows multiple channels of multiple types (i.e. B Gigabit Ethernet and Fibre Channel), so there is lots of bandwidthE between sites for things like shadowing full-copies and full-merges.  A And it is very cost-effective, sending all that data down a fiber  pair.   I > All disks are attached via fibre channel. Except site C which will only . > have a system disk and be attached via SCSI.  E The nice things about having a Fibre Channel inter-site link include: C o  Shadowset members at each site can be accessed remotely and kept 4 up-to-date even if all systems at that site are downE o  The small amount of host CPU overhead and small additional latency / of going through the VMS MSCP server is avoided C o  You have the option of a single shadowed system disk between the F two sites, if you wish.  I don't recommend it, as it then represents aF single point of failure for (two sites of) the cluster, but some folksD do it anyway for the convenience, just being sure they have a backupB readily available (often a recent backup copy kept online) in caseB someone scrozzles the sole system disk -- they would simply reboot. nodes from the backup disk to get going again.  B > I'm thinking that each site will have a copy of the system disk.% > Identical except for volume labels.    This is common in practice.   0 > I'm thinking this will be the mount prodecure; ... . > $ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1001:","EXISTS") THEN -G > $    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA100:/SHADOW=("$1$DGA1001:") DATA1 DATA1  ... . > $ IF F$GETDVI("$1$DGA1501:","EXISTS") THEN -G > $    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA100:/SHADOW=("$1$DGA1501:") DATA1 DATA1   B The problem I see right away with this is that if a node at Site AC boots first, it will mount the data disk with only a single member, ? $1$DGA1001:, and you'll have to do a Full Copy to add the other < member.  You might want to have it check if both members are@ available, and mount the shadowset with both members if so.  (ItD actually gets a bit more complicated than this in practice -- see myF 1-day VMS DT cluster seminar notes at http://www2.openvms.org/kparris/
 for details.)   G > I'm thinking that if I move the sysuaf file, etc. off the system disk G > onto a shadowed disk, I'll be able to have the multiple copies of the K > system disk. This buys me the possibility of taking one site off-line for  > upgrades if necessary.  C Right.  Moving the cluster-common files off system disks also makes B system management of a multiple-system-disk cluster much easier as well.   F > I'm trying to keep data replicated between sites A and B. But at theD > same time, keep all the read I/Os local. I want as little data as + > possible to travel between the two sites.   D Look into the new $SET DEVICE/SITE command.  Because Shadowing can'tF tell the difference between a Fibre Channel disk at the local site andC one at the remote site, by default it would send reads to both on a E round-robin basis, so you want to tell Shadowing which site each node D and each disk are at, so that it can send all the reads to the local disks from a given site.  D $SET DEVICE/READ_COST could also be used, but is more trouble to set up than using /SITE.  I > I'm thinking in this setup, I could loose disks, hosts, or combinations J > of them, and still be able to run. I'm thinking for what little data theL > third site would need, MSCP served disks would suffice. And I could put a O > hook in the startup to only mount the disks with the UAF data (and maybe user  > accounts) via this method.   Sounds reasonable.  J > I'm thinking that by mounting the other sites' system disk, I could thenA > copy config files (if they were to change) betweens sites. etc.   3 I can think of a couple of complications with this: C 1) In practice, when you lose a site, you'll end up with the system D disk at the lost site going into mount verification timeout state onE the remaining nodes, and you'll need to do a $DISMOUNT/ABORT to clear 
 things up.F 2) Also, the more nodes that have a disk mounted, the greater a chanceC of a Full Merge happening, as that is triggered whenever any one of - the nodes with the shadowset mounted crashes.   F Another alternative would be to mount the disks only when you need to,C or use DECnet FAL access to grab files through the associated node.    > If I were to set this up..) > What would potential test scenarios be?   C I'd want to test the failure and recovery of any component, and any E site, and be sure your system managers/operators know how to diagnose  and handle each case.   E Handle cases where, for example, Fibre Channel communications between C Sites A & B is lost but SCS communications continues.  (I recommend A setting up MSCP-serving as a backup to Fibre Channel, and running < 7.3-1 or better, so you get direct-to-MSCP-served failover.)  1 > What would cause cluster communication failure?   @ o  Errant backhoes, if you don't have diverse network paths. :-)> o  Hardware failures, if you don't have redundancy configured.C o  Hardware failures, even if you DO have redundancy configured, if @ you don't monitor, detect, and repair the first failure before aF second failure occurs.  (I recommend setting up LAVC$FAILURE_ANALYSIS)E o  Saturation of its Primary CPU in interrupt state can cause loss of # cluster communications with a node.   ? But I get the feeling I didn't really understand your question.   C > Would there be false failures, and how could I avoid/detect them?   2 Could you explain what you mean by false failures?   > What have I missed? . > What have I mis-understood or misconfigured? > What more is needed?  D I recommend that you purchase the Disaster Tolerant Cluster ServicesF (DTCS) package right up front.  It doesn't add a significant amount ofC cost compared with the investment you're already planning.  It will > help you with planning, design, configuration, implementation,C testing, and staff training, and ensure that nothing important gets  missed.   + > Is anybody else doing anything like this?   E Yes indeed.  Having a 3rd site with a quorum node is a luxury, so not D as many sites have that, but it is very nice to have, so others will be envious.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:00:24 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>- Subject: Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster ) Message-ID: <3F6A00C8.7E0EEAF7@intel.com>    JFmezei wrote: >  > re: procedure to mount disks.  > > > The way to do this is to first build a string made of of all@ > available devices in a shadowset and then issue a single mount@ > command with that string as the list of devices. This way, you> > allow VMS to check each device to see which one has the mostA > recent data and at this point it becomes a source. Also, if the A > shadowset was properly dismounted, and your remount all devices ? > in a single mount, then VMS is smart enough to know that full B > copy operation isn't necesary, saving lots of system and network > resources.  0 	I've said this before in the newsgroup and I'll5 say it again: the ONLY SAFE WAY to mount shadow sets  : (unassisted during startup) is with /INCLUDE/NOCOPY.  This> will assure that you don't overwrite a good member of a shadow@ set with a out-of-date one that, for any of a number of reasons,? might otherwise be used as the shadow master during a copy (not  merge) initiated on mount.   	-Ken  --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield " D1C Automation VMS System Support " Who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield Where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:54:04 -0400t0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>0 Subject: Re: how to add a printer (HP laser jet)$ Message-ID: <3f69ff53$1@news.si.com>  5 >I am supposed to add a printer to a VMS machine. Thea7 >user said the printer was \\ABC_XYC\EFG_UVW which is aS >HP laser jet 5j.i  F In order for you to feed a Laserjet from VMS, the Laserjet must have aJ Jetdirect card in it and you must have either ScriptServer from GrayMatter5 Software, or DCPS from HP to act as a print symbiont.e -- e
 Brian Tillman  Smiths Aerospace 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991d> Brian.Tillman is the name, smiths-aerospace.com is the domain.  : I don't speak for Smiths, and Smiths doesn't speak for me.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:57:59 -0400 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>y0 Subject: Re: how to add a printer (HP laser jet)B Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20030917065007.02302508@mail.patmedia.net>  4 At 03:56 AM 9/17/2003, amit sawhney wrote (in part): >Guys,5 >I am supposed to add a printer to a VMS machine. The 7 >user said the printer was \\ABC_XYC\EFG_UVW which is aM >HP laser jet 5j.m  F That is the designation on the PC for the printer which is not a good I address for VMS. Does the printer have an IP address? Or is it connected  ) via a printserver that has an IP address?i  C If it is connected via a Printserver, does the Printserver run LAT?c  E You didn't say what version of VMS you're running. If you're running t1 TCP/IP, what version (and stack) are you running?n  L The easiest way to connect HP Laserjets to VMS is with DCPS (if the printer K supports PostScript) via either IP or LAT. If the printer does not support  L Postscript, use the LPR/LPQ print services or use the telnet print symbiont 4 if the printer supports print via port 9100 or 2100.  ) Tell us some details and we can help you.Q   Ken Robinson" kenrbnsn1 (at) patmedia (dot) net    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:14:02 GMT-6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>' Subject: Re: How to order VMS licenses?p@ Message-ID: <KBmab.1548$Jo5.58121427@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>  2 "Tom Adams" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:ea44f5a1.0309180948.782aa821@posting.google.com...U1 > Does a base license allow 64 interactive loginsc > - > What additional license do I need for that?u >uG You'll need  OPENVMS-ALPHA-ADL (additional) license units to allow more  simultaneous users.n  + > I want to form 2 disks into a shadow set.i >  > What do I need to get that?a  L You need a VOLSHAD (Volume shadowing) license.  As I recall these used to beI sold for either a limited numbers of shadow sets or "unlimited" use.  YouuG may want to consider a hardware solution for RAID-1 as well if a staticeJ configuration suits your needs.  "The Volume Shadowing for OpenVMS" manualI has details on how to configure and manage shadow sets.  There are sysgeniG parameters which you'll need to set to enable shadowing on your system.A     -- Andy Bustamantec remove the ASCII 95s to replyt   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:48:33 GMTr' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> 6 Subject: Re: How to use shareable image to share data?+ Message-ID: <3F6A7D2C.11012525@pacbell.net>    Bob Koehler wrote: > W > In article <3F68A3DF.978BCAC1@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:H > >LH > > Note: It looks like what you're trying to do here is make your C.EXEE > > file your backing store address. If you don't need the data to bemJ > > persistant, you can do a SYS$CRMPSC of your COMMON area using the pageK > > file as a backing store, or you can just use the SYS$CRMPSC as a set of L > > Page Table Entries, with no backing store. In this way you don't have toL > > install your EXE with /write, because you won't be modifying it.  If youK > > NEED your data to be persistent, you might also need to do a SYS$UPDSECtG > > service occasionally to insure your changes are written back to then > > C.EXE file.s > >e >  >    For what it's worth:n > E >    When I changed a system from using installed shareable images totI >    using permanent global sections, I found it was handy to still buildhF >    the equivalent of C.EXE and use that as the backing store.  I didG >    make assumptions about the size of the image header since I wasn't5J >    really using it as an image.  In my case $UPDSEC wasn't really neededH >    because the data was for inter-process communication in a real-timeI >    system and stale data was of no value, but unless the system crashedtG >    the data did get flushed to the disk.  Normal system shutdown williE >    flush the data out of memory.  So will image rundown of the lastt+ >    image mapping a non-permanent section.e > H >    The decision to use permanent sections had to do with the real-timeG >    nature of the system.  We wanted to only create the sections once.e  ? That's why I used it too - a 911 ECAD system for a large city.    H As far as mapping, I wasn't using it as an executeable image either, butG I had no header issues. It was just a Cobol program with one - 01 leveliH working storage area, declared as external, so I could get a known PSECTG to work with. Linked it with as a /shareable. Then I did the same thingi@ in the executeable images that were going to read/write from theE shareable, declaring those as external PSECTS too. Finally, I createdoE the appropriate OPT file let the linker do the rest - matching up thed/ PSECTS - and, as they say, the rest is history.   G I'd love to see how such a thing is done in the Unix world... any idea?e   -- t   Have VMS, Will Travelt Wire paladin, San Franciscoi   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:01:09 -0400t) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>s) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005s) Message-ID: <3F69F2DB.53FB64C5@istop.com>o   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:< > > Your answer appears to be 2 cores 2 CPU's hence 2 Oracle
 > > licenses.  > >d > 0 > That is an Oracle business practices question.  L I don't see it as an Oracle issue. It is a simple issue: does the CPU appear& as one CPU or 2 CPUs to the software ?  J Now, if dual CPUs become common and do appear as 2 CPUs, then yes, perhapsM those companies who price their products according to number of CPUs may haveH# to change their business practices.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:30:48 GMTt9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>l) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005m2 Message-ID: <sRmab.5112$372.3569@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 "JFmezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message# news:3F69F2DB.53FB64C5@istop.com...e > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:> > > > Your answer appears to be 2 cores 2 CPU's hence 2 Oracle > > > licenses.p > > >p > >i2 > > That is an Oracle business practices question. >-G > I don't see it as an Oracle issue. It is a simple issue: does the CPU  appear( > as one CPU or 2 CPUs to the software ? >PL > Now, if dual CPUs become common and do appear as 2 CPUs, then yes, perhapsJ > those companies who price their products according to number of CPUs may have% > to change their business practices.o  G OK.  This is all speculation since I have not yet seen dual core chips.f  F My understanding is they will look simply like 2 CPUs to us. They justI happen to live in the same socket.  Will we be able to determine this?  I D think so, but am not certain.  Will we do anything special about it?L Probably not.  If we only report half the CPUs, then something is certain toJ be unhappy.   Will we have some additional system information that someoneL could find out the number of *sockets* - if it's possible to find out, we'llK probably try to provide the information through some lexical or system cell- or call.  H Then it really is a business practice issue.  Since I don't really thinkL that we should "under report" the number of CPUs in any current programmaticF query.  So, to implement "per-socket" licensing would probably require< changes to SW that actually directly looks at the CPU count.  K So it really is a business practices issue.  SW that currently does per-CPUcF licensing, and checks the # of CPU's - needs to determine if it really should do per-Socket licensing.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:32:19 +0200  From: "puff" <me@test.com>. Subject: Kerberized TELNET clients for Windows6 Message-ID: <1063881200.397319@thezone.swistgroup.com>   Hi  @ Are there any free kerberized TELNET clients for Windows? We areI investigating the possibility of a kerberos implementation on a site with  OpenVMS servers.   Thanks Christoe+ (wepenerc100"_AT_"ananzi"_dot_"co"_dot_"za)c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:53:08 -0700w, From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????m) Message-ID: <3F69FF13.EEB50032@intel.com>    "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote:1
 [big snip]B > It is unclear whether that is for UK residents too. The web page > where one joins Emcompass  > ; > https://secure2.sba.com/encompass/memberApp/associate.cfm5 > C > asks no questions about your country and is clearly US orientated ? > (State, ZIP code). I have applied, and have received an emailhC > confirmation of my application, but have received no confirmation  > of acceptance. > B > How do they send you confirmation of acceptance - is it all doneC > by email, or do they send bits of paper in the post which need too > be signed and returned ?  8 	All by e-mail.  The only thing you really need, and the> thing you'll want ot look for in the e-mail, is your Encompass> Member number.  That's the key that opens the door to Hobbiest PAKs, etc. :-)   	-Ken  --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield " D1C Automation VMS System Support " Who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield Where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:37:01 +0000 (UTC)s+ From: Esa Laitinen <punkki@suespammers.org> 9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????u0 Message-ID: <slrnbmk2at.47l.punkki@laitinen.org>  > In article <3F69FF13.EEB50032@intel.com>, Ken Fairfield wrote:  : > 	All by e-mail.  The only thing you really need, and the@ > thing you'll want ot look for in the e-mail, is your Encompass@ > Member number.  That's the key that opens the door to Hobbiest > PAKs, etc. :-)  F True. But when I joined encompass quite a few moons ago, I didn't get I the acceptance mail with the membership number. I got the number from an 0G invitation to a conference, where they did provide my encompass number   :-O    esai -- -F The suespammers.org mail server is located in California; do not send ? unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail to my aD suespammers.org address. It's my life: http://www.laitinen.org/blog/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:01:22 +0100 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> 9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????"& Message-ID: <3F6A2B32.2090108@iee.org>   Dr. David Kirkby wrote:l   > Bob Koehler wrote:G >>   You can join Encompass as an associate (free) and get the hobbyist3
 >>   license.e > H > It is unclear whether that is for UK residents too. The web page where > one joins Emcompass   F I'm in the UK. I joined via email. I now have licence PAKs. I also getA the occasional "come to this meeting spam". In fact, that startede? even before they accepted my membership request but it seems to"= have stopped now - it was never more than once a fortnight orM so.   E > How do they send you confirmation of acceptance - is it all done by J > email, or do they send bits of paper in the post which need to be signed > and returned ?  " Everything is done electronically.  J > Is it easy to dual boot OpenVMS and Tru64 if they are on separate disks?  6 Yes. OpenVMS will leave other disks alone unless it is: told to mount them or INITIALIZE them and the same is true7 of Tru64. You may need to modify the console flags when0: booting and you may need to tell the console to set itself1 up for the particular OS you are about to boot sos' that the appropriate PALcode is loaded.    Antonio      --   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:18:02 +0100 0 From: "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com>9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????0, Message-ID: <3F6A4B3A.5CD9A5B2@ntlworld.com>   Antonio Carlini wrote: >  > Dr. David Kirkby wrote:- >  > > Bob Koehler wrote:I > >>   You can join Encompass as an associate (free) and get the hobbyistN > >>   license.  > >XJ > > It is unclear whether that is for UK residents too. The web page where > > one joins Emcompassc > H > I'm in the UK. I joined via email. I now have licence PAKs. I also getC > the occasional "come to this meeting spam". In fact, that started@A > even before they accepted my membership request but it seems toe? > have stopped now - it was never more than once a fortnight orc > so.p  D That's good to know. I've still not received any confirmation, but I" only did this about 10 hours ago.   L > > Is it easy to dual boot OpenVMS and Tru64 if they are on separate disks? > 8 > Yes. OpenVMS will leave other disks alone unless it is< > told to mount them or INITIALIZE them and the same is true9 > of Tru64. You may need to modify the console flags when < > booting and you may need to tell the console to set itself3 > up for the particular OS you are about to boot soa) > that the appropriate PALcode is loaded.-   I'll have to look at that. k   --  A "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably E> the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge.   Dr. David Kirkby,  Senior Research Fellow,r Department of Medical Physics, University College London," 11-20 Capper St, London, WC1E 6JA., Website: http://www.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/~davek- Author of 'atlc' http://atlc.sourceforge.net/v   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:18:14 +010010 From: "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com>9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????X, Message-ID: <3F6A4B46.34BCAADA@ntlworld.com>   John Travell wrote:r > = > "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> wrote in message1( > news:3F69CE26.961738B1@ntlworld.com...  L > > Is it easy to dual boot OpenVMS and Tru64 if they are on separate disks? >  > Yes, e.g.d" > >>> boot -fl 0,1 dka0     to VMS! > >>> boot -fl a dka100    to T64.  2 Thanks. If it's as easy as that I can't go wrong.   F The biggest problem I have at the minute is there are two disks in theC machine, one of which is 1.6" high. This leaves no room for anothersH disk, so both will need to be removed and replaced with two other disks.E Quite a lot of hassle, but I guess I'll do it. Just need to find some1 disks at reasonable prices.      -- iA "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably c> the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge.   Dr. David Kirkby,  Senior Research Fellow,n Department of Medical Physics, University College London," 11-20 Capper St, London, WC1E 6JA., Website: http://www.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/~davek- Author of 'atlc' http://atlc.sourceforge.net/m   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:09:04 GMT32 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ????-L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1809032117450001@user-105n9nb.dialup.mindspring.com>  ? In article <3F6A4B46.34BCAADA@ntlworld.com>, "Dr. David Kirkby"0 <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> wrote:   >John Travell wrote: >> N> >> "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> wrote in message) >> news:3F69CE26.961738B1@ntlworld.com...  > M >> > Is it easy to dual boot OpenVMS and Tru64 if they are on separate disks?- >>   >> Yes, e.g.# >> >>> boot -fl 0,1 dka0     to VMSr" >> >>> boot -fl a dka100    to T64 >"3 >Thanks. If it's as easy as that I can't go wrong. d > G >The biggest problem I have at the minute is there are two disks in theoD >machine, one of which is 1.6" high. This leaves no room for anotherI >disk, so both will need to be removed and replaced with two other disks.kF >Quite a lot of hassle, but I guess I'll do it. Just need to find some >disks at reasonable prices. r  G VMS doesn't care about the OS_TYPE environment variable as far as I can F tell.  I've looked in the listings and not found a reference.  I might% have missed it, but I don't think so.d  E T64 cares.  I understand that the early part of the T64 boot actuallyaI depends on some parts of the VMS PALcode.  At some point it switches over G to the T64 PALcode.  Some part of this dance doesn't work if OS_TYPE ise7 wrong.  But I only have this info second or third hand.c  E Depending on the platform, you may find that the battery-backed-watcheA contains a "bad" date/time when you switch OS's.  T64 and VMS useeI different formats for date/time, and if VMS doesn't like the date/time iteJ sees during boot, it will prompt for it (and save it in the BBW).  I don't know how T64 deals with this.r  H What kind of system do you have?  Do you have an available external SCSIF port?  Simplest would be to leave your existing disks alone, and add aJ cheap 2nd-hand enclosure and disks externally.  Cheap because VMS will fitI (barely) on a 1 GB disk, and comfortably on a 4 GB disk.  Add in whateverd space your application needs..   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:36:33 +0000 (UTC)p From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk= Subject: Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris,) Message-ID: <bkcqf1$cfh$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>u  q In article <wk+oMlwzSWK0@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:ci >In article <d7791aa1.0309171500.74219a56@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: t >> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<vJZ9b.53112$DZ.3825@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...7 >>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1269850,00.aspe >>> 0 >>> Solaris Flaw Leaves Machines Open to Attacks >> mD >> well Andrew, VMS would have handled this a little differently ... >> CI >> http://www.process.com/techsupport/multinet/faqs/multinetsnmpcert.htmlo >)G >   I don't see any hook where the Solaris hole is the same as the SNMPdG >   hole.  The Solaris sadmin deamon is more closely comparable to VMS'  >   SYSMAN utility.b >t@ >   But while we're on that topic, I see the Solaris response to: >   that CERT indicates the attacker can gain root access. > E >   And, OBTW, both Multinet and TCP/IP services simply ACCVIO to theiL >   SNMP attack (causing it to exit) and restart on the next SNMP request.  D >   This despite Tru64 (which TCP/IP services code is based on) also0 >   exits (may core dump), but does not restart. >   I >   Also, note that Multinet is listed on the vendors page as vulnerable.MB >   This is misleading, at best.  IMHO reporting an error and then9 >   servicing the next request is not a security problem.T >   O However an ACCVIO is not the best way to handle anything hence the vendors will1O come out with a patch. Unless the wording in that patch is extremely clear then J in a years time Andrew will be using the existence of that patch to claim D that TCP/IP services (and possibly Multinet) were really vulnerable.  L Contrary to what Andrew would have everybody believe there are reasons other/ than being vulnerable for putting out a patch. i  I As well as handling ACCVIOs in a cleaner fashion the code may be based on J open sources or on code shared with TRU64. In both those instances a patch1 might be produced to maintain code compatibility.u    e
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 16:31:49 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309181531.54fa06ed@posting.google.com>a   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bkci33$pvr$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...F > Bob Ceculski wrote:iu > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<vJZ9b.53112$DZ.3825@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...  > > 7 > >>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1269850,00.aspn > >>0 > >>Solaris Flaw Leaves Machines Open to Attacks > >  > > E > > well Andrew, VMS would have handled this a little differently ..., > > J > > http://www.process.com/techsupport/multinet/faqs/multinetsnmpcert.html >  >  > Humm > . > http://www.process.com/techsupport/cert.html > 7 > Shows that Multinet and TCPware were vunerable to SSHo > and Bind CERT vunerabilites. > " > So what exactly was you point ?? > 5 > Incedentally this also exposes the lie that TCPWARE-5 > and MultiNet have been unaffected by any of the DOS42 > attacks that effected UCX/TCPIP for OpenVMS. The& > BIND advisory includes a DOS attack. > ; > So you owe me and the group an complete and full appology.( > your postings are factually incorrect. > 	 > regardsw > Andrew Harrisons  A do you even read what you post?  the bind bug seems to get bittenwA by that nasty "access violation" again just as most of those unix : c garbage code bugs get caught, thanks to vms security ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:04:01 -0400s* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: pgflquota2 Message-ID: <aboab.1581$G1.8009@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   Hi  L I'm trying to see what is the maximum usage for pgflquota for any process on0 the system, that executed in the last few weeks.  1 I thought I could use accounting to do that as ina $ acc /sum /repo=WORKING_SET. but there is no data for page file quota usage  < Does someone know if this information is available anywhere?@ Maybe if I could run autogen then look at agen$feedback.report ?   Thanks for helpk   -- c Syltremt   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:21:51 -0700r+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>d Subject: Re: pgflquota' Message-ID: <3F6A13DF.4020906@MMaz.com>B   Syltrem wrote:   >Hio >yM >I'm trying to see what is the maximum usage for pgflquota for any process one1 >the system, that executed in the last few weeks.v > 2 >I thought I could use accounting to do that as in >$ acc /sum /repo=WORKING_SETa/ >but there is no data for page file quota usaget >  >  t >h
 ACCOUNTING  	   /REPORTt       Keywordt         resource[,...]  B          Specifies the resources that you want to summarize in theE          report. The following table lists the keywords for resources           you can summarize.C  :          Keyword              Description              HowA                                                        Summarized   <          BUFFERED_IO **       Number of buffered I/Os  Total<          DIRECT_IO **         Number of direct I/Os    Total=           ELAPSED * **         Elapsed time             Totalt<          EXECUTION **         Number of images run by  Total)                               the processv<          FAULTS **            Number of hard and soft  Total)                               page faults <          GETS *               Number of GETs from the  Total3                               file that was printedv>          PAGE_FILE **         Page file usage          Maximum<          PAGE_READS **        Number of hard page      Total$                               faults<          PAGES *              Number of pages printed  Total<          PROCESSOR **         Total CPU time used      Total<          QIOS *               Number of QIOs to the    Total%                               printere<          RECORDS              Number of accounting     Total*                               file records'                               processed <          VECTOR_PROCESSOR **  Vector CPU time used     Total5                               (see the description ofu5                               the /FULL qualifier fori.                               further details)<          VOLUMES **           Number of volumes        Total%                               mountedf>          WORKING_SET **       Working set size         MaximumK          __________________________________________________________________   ,          *  Present in records of type PRINT  C          ** Present in records of type IMAGE, LOGFAIL, PROCESS, andl             SYSINIT   B          The RECORDS keyword is the default if you omit either theE          keywords or the /REPORT qualifier. It gives the total number /          of records for each summary key value.A   Barry      --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:14:07 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: pgflquota0 Message-ID: <00A26188.5B7F36CE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <aboab.1581$G1.8009@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:  >HiS >oM >I'm trying to see what is the maximum usage for pgflquota for any process onf1 >the system, that executed in the last few weeks.o > 2 >I thought I could use accounting to do that as in >$ acc /sum /repo=WORKING_SETe/ >but there is no data for page file quota usageg   $ acc /sum /repo=PAGE_FILE   --L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            a5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:40:16 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: pgflquota2 Message-ID: <9Joab.1583$G1.8111@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   Right.2 I should get a new prescription for my eyeglasses.   Thanks!t   -- h Syltreml   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---r6 <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> a crit dans le message de* news:00A26188.5B7F36CE@SendSpamHere.ORG...> > In article <aboab.1581$G1.8009@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes: > >HiS > >OL > >I'm trying to see what is the maximum usage for pgflquota for any process on3 > >the system, that executed in the last few weeks.i > >l4 > >I thought I could use accounting to do that as in > >$ acc /sum /repo=WORKING_SETF1 > >but there is no data for page file quota usage  >h > $ acc /sum /repo=PAGE_FILE >  > --2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >o6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:48:33 GMTl! From: "Joe" <jdcyuen@comcast.net>v Subject: PGP for VMS= Message-ID: <BSoab.288392$2x.80274@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   D Does anyone know if there is a version of PGP that will work on VMS?   Thanks,k -Joe   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:39:33 -0700r+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>y Subject: Re: PGP for VMS' Message-ID: <3F6A2615.9070702@MMaz.com>e  
 Joe wrote:  E >Does anyone know if there is a version of PGP that will work on VMS?t >, >    >   + http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/      Barrye   -- v  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        d   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2003 03:48:04 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.comn Subject: Re: PGP for VMS, Message-ID: <bkdu9k11me5@enews4.newsguy.com>  * Barry Treahy, Jr. <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote: > Joe wrote:  G > >Does anyone know if there is a version of PGP that will work on VMS?   - > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/  a  K That is GPG, there is also a version of PGP 2.6.3ia-multi06 floating aroundtJ for VMS.  I finally got both running on my system last week.  Depending onM what you need it for, PGP, despite being an old version, is likely to be the eI better solution.  I know in my case, all I want is to encrypt a couple ofgI files, I'll be using PGP as it doesn't require me to convert the files to G Stream_LF, which GPG does, also GPG requires more than just the defaultc user permissions to run.   			Zane)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:45:23 +0100 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> < Subject: Re: Porting from UNIX to OpenVMS for a real newbie.& Message-ID: <3F6A2773.5070401@iee.org>   Dr. David Kirkby wrote:t  J > But the OpenVMS binaries can be downloaded for free (I'd need to buy theJ > media), and I might (confused by this so see my other post), need to pay- > for membership of a club to get a license.    > The hobbyist licence can be had for free. You sign up with the> US Encompass as an associate (or whatever the lowest level is)= and that costs you nothing. Then, once they've processed your < application, you get an email to say you are in. Now you can? apply for the licences, which arrive via email in a day or two.   : You can then borrow the media, or have a copy made, or buy8 it from montagar for $30 or so (assuming they're not out of stock again).  : The Tru64 hobbyist program runs to $100 or so but includes
 the media.   Antonio    --   ---------------t- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org)   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 16:43:44 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris))X Subject: Positive words about HP, Marvel, and the RetainTrust program from Clipper Group= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309181543.18199a51@posting.google.com>,  B A recently-published report by the Clipper Group has very positive= things to say about Marvel and HP's commitment to AlphaServer 
 customers.  E http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/ClipperGroupReport.pdf    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:05:58 GMTn% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>a4 Subject: Re: TCP/IP Services for VMS - sloppy output8 Message-ID: <qouab.11528$pU4.7509@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  . <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message7 news:d98660c6.0309170120.53dcd016@posting.google.com...  > Gentle colleagues, >sL > anyone else come across this sloppy programming in TCP/IP Services for VMS5 > (version v5.3 ECO 2 as far back as at least v5.1) ?y >a >n. >    $ spawn/output=x.x tcpip show device/full >    $ edit/edt x.xt >o' >    Note all these embedded <CR><LF>'sr >h >    $ search x.x error  >i= >    You basically get every "line", which is pretty useless.n >dD > I can come up with a workaround (see below), but I consider this a	 bug(let).t >, > (Workaround) >e >    $ create/fdl=sys$input x.xo >    record- >    format stream" >    $ define/user sys$output x.x. >    $ tcpip show device/full  >.& > This produces the output I'd expect. >  > Comments ?  I Depending on how you are connecting these days... How about capturing the G output logs into a screen buffer/history from on your terminal program.iK Then you can cut and Paste the history log into an output file that you are   editing on your terminal sesson?   TCPIP SHOW DEV/FULL 5 {This output to your terminal program history buffer}e EDIT X.X6 {copy and paste the output log into the edit session.} ^Z    More than one way to skin a cat.   >  > Roy Omondd > Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 16:34:31 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)sT Subject: Re: There is no Joy in Sunville -- mighty Billy has struck out [on his own]= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309181534.313f1b84@posting.google.com>e   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bkcd60$o5c$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...a9 > Funny the markets didn't think it was a major issue itsh2 > hasn't had a material effect on out share price.   According to Yahoo FinanceK (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SUNW&a=08&b=9&c=2003&d=08&e=18&f=2003&g=d) D SUNW closed on Sept. 9 at $4.11.  The day after the announcement, itE closed at $3.80, a drop of close to 8% in market capitalization.  Not- a material effect, you say.1  B It hasn't even yet recovered to the Sept. 9 price, although it has? been bouyed up a bit recently by the announcement of 1,000 more5; layoffs, roughly another 3% of the 36,000 in the workforce.m   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 12:27:40 -0700) From: brian@wadsworth.org (Brian Cuttler) A Subject: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help neededi= Message-ID: <e6215e11.0309181127.653eb037@posting.google.com>t  @ I've got a new 7.3 system and I'm not entirely certain what I've< done wrong with the networking. I'm running TCP successfullyD but I'm unable to see any of my DECnet only addresses, ie VMS DECnet phase IV systems.   > I know it should be quick and easy to configure this system as= an _end-node_ in area 42 but @sys$startup:net$configure isn't0> doing what I'd hoped it would, at least not at this point (I'm uncertain where I fouled up).   A If anyone can run me though the config - or tell me which chaptere- of the manual will allow me to reconfigure...   ? I've got manuals but apparently I'm looking in the wrong place.e   						thanks in advance,   						BrianC   ---W>    Brian R Cuttler                 brian.cuttler@wadsworth.org3    Computer Systems Support        (v) 518 486-1697o3    Wadsworth Center                (f) 518 473-6384c9    NYS Department of Health        Help Desk 518 473-0773f   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:35:19 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)E Subject: Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help needed . Message-ID: <bGoab.503962$Ho3.84947@sccrnsc03>  i In article <e6215e11.0309181127.653eb037@posting.google.com>, brian@wadsworth.org (Brian Cuttler) writes:cA !I've got a new 7.3 system and I'm not entirely certain what I'ven= !done wrong with the networking. I'm running TCP successfullylE !but I'm unable to see any of my DECnet only addresses, ie VMS DECnetp !phase IV systems. !-? !I know it should be quick and easy to configure this system asM> !an _end-node_ in area 42 but @sys$startup:net$configure isn't? !doing what I'd hoped it would, at least not at this point (I'm. !uncertain where I fouled up).  K The following manual (DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Applications Installation and8/ Advanced Configuration) may have what you need:s  B http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6497/6497pro.html#adv_config  ; This is Chapter 1 (Using the ADVANCED Configuration Option)i  M I haven't done this in a few years, but most of the defaults are safe (choosesB LOCAL if you don't need the more advanced DecDNS functionality).    N Good luck - and if you have a software support contract, don't hesitate to use it.    !iB !If anyone can run me though the config - or tell me which chapter. !of the manual will allow me to reconfigure... !s@ !I've got manuals but apparently I'm looking in the wrong place. !e !						thanks in advance,n !w !						Brian !  !---? !   Brian R Cuttler                 brian.cuttler@wadsworth.org 4 !   Computer Systems Support        (v) 518 486-16974 !   Wadsworth Center                (f) 518 473-6384: !   NYS Department of Health        Help Desk 518 473-0773  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"tK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' o0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:06:19 +0100 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>'E Subject: Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help needed > Message-ID: <H%pab.2997$I9.1296@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>   Brian Cuttler wrote:@ > I know it should be quick and easy to configure this system as? > an _end-node_ in area 42 but @sys$startup:net$configure isn'te@ > doing what I'd hoped it would, at least not at this point (I'm > uncertain where I fouled up).t  8 Post a log of  "@sys$startup:net$configure advanced" and< maybe someone can see what you did wrong. Be sure to include6 evidence of the failure at the end (e.g. attempted SET HOST off to somewhere else).   Antonios     --   ---------------g- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgu   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:07:42 GMTd% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>eE Subject: Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help needed 8 Message-ID: <2Vqab.11499$pU4.3706@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  4 Brian Cuttler <brian@wadsworth.org> wrote in message7 news:e6215e11.0309181127.653eb037@posting.google.com...tB > I've got a new 7.3 system and I'm not entirely certain what I've> > done wrong with the networking. I'm running TCP successfullyF > but I'm unable to see any of my DECnet only addresses, ie VMS DECnet > phase IV systems.d >s@ > I know it should be quick and easy to configure this system as? > an _end-node_ in area 42 but @sys$startup:net$configure isn'te@ > doing what I'd hoped it would, at least not at this point (I'm > uncertain where I fouled up).  >n  * You also need to do a MCR DECNET REGISTER.  C > If anyone can run me though the config - or tell me which chaptero/ > of the manual will allow me to reconfigure...u >gA > I've got manuals but apparently I'm looking in the wrong place.n >d > thanks in advance, >e > Brianb >i > ---h@ >    Brian R Cuttler                 brian.cuttler@wadsworth.org5 >    Computer Systems Support        (v) 518 486-1697i5 >    Wadsworth Center                (f) 518 473-6384h; >    NYS Department of Health        Help Desk 518 473-0773o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:30:55 GMTt2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)E Subject: Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help neededaL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1809032139360001@user-105n9nb.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <2Vqab.11499$pU4.3706@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime"B <mnaime@kc.rr.com> wrote:e  5 >Brian Cuttler <brian@wadsworth.org> wrote in messageP8 >news:e6215e11.0309181127.653eb037@posting.google.com...C >> I've got a new 7.3 system and I'm not entirely certain what I'ves? >> done wrong with the networking. I'm running TCP successfullyPG >> but I'm unable to see any of my DECnet only addresses, ie VMS DECnet2 >> phase IV systems. >>A >> I know it should be quick and easy to configure this system ass@ >> an _end-node_ in area 42 but @sys$startup:net$configure isn'tA >> doing what I'd hoped it would, at least not at this point (I'me  >> uncertain where I fouled up). >> >c+ >You also need to do a MCR DECNET REGISTER.2  " That would be $MCR DECNET_REGISTER  G The configuration procedure only registers the address for the node youeH are configuring.  If it finds an existing phase 4 node database, it willJ offer to convert it, and that will register all the nodes into the phase 5 LOCAL:. database.t  H On a new installation, you will typically need to use DECNET_REGISTER to8 add names and addresses to the phase 5 LOCAL:. database.  D After changing the address database, you will usually want to do the following NCL command:  1 NCL> flush session control naming cache entry "*"h  J A phase 5 configuration only requires you to give non-default answers to 3A or 4 questions.  The default doesn't satisfy many folks for long,eB especially since it leave a lot of "noisy" OPCOM messages enabled.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:31:40 +1200a/ From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.co.nz>cE Subject: Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help neededl8 Message-ID: <731lmv4jd225vl6edrpkoskn4vdap01tg1@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:30:55 GMT, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert  Deininger) wrote:n  F >In article <2Vqab.11499$pU4.3706@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" ><mnaime@kc.rr.com> wrote: > 6 >>Brian Cuttler <brian@wadsworth.org> wrote in message9 >>news:e6215e11.0309181127.653eb037@posting.google.com... D >>> I've got a new 7.3 system and I'm not entirely certain what I've@ >>> done wrong with the networking. I'm running TCP successfullyH >>> but I'm unable to see any of my DECnet only addresses, ie VMS DECnet >>> phase IV systems.u >>>sB >>> I know it should be quick and easy to configure this system asA >>> an _end-node_ in area 42 but @sys$startup:net$configure isn'teB >>> doing what I'd hoped it would, at least not at this point (I'm! >>> uncertain where I fouled up).  >>>" >>, >>You also need to do a MCR DECNET REGISTER. >r# >That would be $MCR DECNET_REGISTER3 >tH >The configuration procedure only registers the address for the node youI >are configuring.  If it finds an existing phase 4 node database, it willnK >offer to convert it, and that will register all the nodes into the phase 5T >LOCAL:. database. >"  F I am in the midst of Phase IV to OSI conversions, and I found that the6 Phase IV definitions were not automatically converted.  7 But it was easily rectified, using Export and Import ineC DECNET_REGISTER. It's fairly straightforward. You choose the Export1B option (option 7), and export phase IV definitions to a file, then6 Import them (option 8) into the Localfile definitions.  F The other thing I found, was that I couldn't communicate with phase IVC nodes after rebooting. I probably did something wrong, but the fileo> NET$NSP_TRANSPORT_STARTUP.NCL didn't have anything in it - use? NET$CONFIGURE and option  4 (configure transports) to fix this.p  A Apart from that, a very easy conversion. I'm converting another 4 9 systems tomorrow, so hopefully they will be just as easy.p   ---c Martin Hunt  Systems Administrator? Fairfax New Zealand Limited 
 Wellington New Zealandd   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 03 07:51:53 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) E Subject: Re: VMS 7.3, new system, config DECnet phase V - help neededn) Message-ID: <l3DZDVaYQAIf@elias.decus.ch>a  i In article <e6215e11.0309181127.653eb037@posting.google.com>, brian@wadsworth.org (Brian Cuttler) writes:-B > I've got a new 7.3 system and I'm not entirely certain what I've> > done wrong with the networking. I'm running TCP successfullyF > but I'm unable to see any of my DECnet only addresses, ie VMS DECnet > phase IV systems.. > @ > I know it should be quick and easy to configure this system as? > an _end-node_ in area 42 but @sys$startup:net$configure isn't @ > doing what I'd hoped it would, at least not at this point (I'm > uncertain where I fouled up).a > C > If anyone can run me though the config - or tell me which chapter / > of the manual will allow me to reconfigure...h >   C You need to run sys$system:decnet_register to enter details of yourn phase IV nodes.f  . After that, do the following to activate them:  6 $ mcr ncl flush session control naming cache entry "*"    A > I've got manuals but apparently I'm looking in the wrong place.c >  > 						thanks in advance, > 
 > 						Brianr >  > ---y@ >    Brian R Cuttler                 brian.cuttler@wadsworth.org5 >    Computer Systems Support        (v) 518 486-1697n5 >    Wadsworth Center                (f) 518 473-6384S; >    NYS Department of Health        Help Desk 518 473-0773.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:38:30 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>h! Subject: Re: VMS PALCODE questioni1 Message-ID: <q4mab.5100$j_1.375@news.cpqcorp.net>   - "w m r" <wmr282@hotmail.com> wrote in messaget7 news:398c9ca7.0309180842.77a739c3@posting.google.com...oC > Can VMS PALCODE be told to enable HW_MTPR/HW_MFPR for kernel modee  J I don't understand this question.  MTPR_xxx and MFPR_xxx are PALcode callsG that *only* work from kernel mode.  If you had the question backward, ItL think the answer is no.  There is no way to make these operate from an outer mode.d   , orA > at least enable the 'superpage extension' VA->PA mapping for VAr > 4xx.xxxx.xxxx? >o   Dunno.  I don't think so.u  3 > This is a standalone program, VMS is not running.? >   J Then I'm baffled.  If the program is "standalone" then you can pretty muchL do whatever you want.  If you want kseg0, then call the swap pal instructionL to load the UNIX PAL.  In standalone mode, why a VMS PALcode pseudo register" would be interesting is beyond me.   What are you trying to do?   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 16:47:29 -0700  From: wmr282@hotmail.com (w m r)! Subject: Re: VMS PALCODE question-= Message-ID: <398c9ca7.0309181547.6f42f90e@posting.google.com>D  r "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<q4mab.5100$j_1.375@news.cpqcorp.net>.../ > "w m r" <wmr282@hotmail.com> wrote in message:9 > news:398c9ca7.0309180842.77a739c3@posting.google.com...:E > > Can VMS PALCODE be told to enable HW_MTPR/HW_MFPR for kernel modey > L > I don't understand this question.  MTPR_xxx and MFPR_xxx are PALcode calls  B I was asking about the HW_MTPR and HW_MFPR instructions.  They are@ what palcode uses to access the CPU's IPR's to do funky things. E Normally, these instructions will only operate from palcode.  But thefF cpu can be instructed (only by palcode I presume) to allow kernel modeF code to use them as well.  I saw the bit in the 21164 chip doc (in one- of the IDU registers or something like that).t  I > that *only* work from kernel mode.  If you had the question backward, I N > think the answer is no.  There is no way to make these operate from an outer > mode.k  A I am wondering if there is a "secret" privileged Palcode call one B could make which tells the Palcode to enable these instructions to> work from kernel mode.  It might be there for diag programs or
 something.  C > > at least enable the 'superpage extension' VA->PA mapping for VAL > > 4xx.xxxx.xxxx? > >h >  > Dunno.  I don't think so.T > 5 > > This is a standalone program, VMS is not running.b > >  > L > Then I'm baffled.  If the program is "standalone" then you can pretty muchN > do whatever you want.  If you want kseg0, then call the swap pal instruction > to load the UNIX PAL.,  ? I'd rather fight than switch ;)  Plus, that would block me fromu* someday playing with super and exec modes.  7 > In standalone mode, why a VMS PALcode pseudo register3$ > would be interesting is beyond me.  9 I want to access the cpu's ipr's to turn on the superpage-   > What are you trying to do?   Port my OS, www.o3one.orgl  E I have a fair amount working, just thought it would make it easier tolE work with the Pyxis' sparse mapping.  Right now, I set asside 12GB of E VA space to access the Pyxis parts I want.  Then I allocate a handful A of L3 pages and shuffle them around on a tnv fault, though I will E probably eventually allocate the exact amount needed.  If I could use D the superpage, then I could access any part of it without any PTE's.  A Also, it would simplify my copy to/from physical memory routines.o  D Or, let's see, maybe stuff the CPU's TLB entries manually on a fault! in that range.  Hmm... too nasty?s   Mike   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2003 21:53:32 -0700/ From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au (Stuart Norris)g9 Subject: [Q]Determine is a pointer Quad word aligned in C = Message-ID: <51262235.0309182053.3e4301ac@posting.google.com>i  
 Dear Readers,w  G I am interested to know how you determine if a pointer in C is quadwordrF aligned?  How do you programmatically figure this out.  Is there some 
 simple trick?h  A I know that malloc and calloc produce quadword aligned pointers. e= Does XtMalloc for X Windows produce quadword aigned pointers.o   Thanks   Stuart   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 05:30:48 GMT ) From: Andrew Balaam <abalaam@yahoo.co.uk>i= Subject: Re: [Q]Determine is a pointer Quad word aligned in Cc4 Message-ID: <20030919.5304800.1484962090@imagnu.geo>  7 Cast it to an int and check the least significant bits.k  6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  I On 19/09/03, 05:53:32, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au (Stuart Norris) wrote=20 ; regarding [Q]Determine is a pointer Quad word aligned in C:      > Dear Readers,M  I > I am interested to know how you determine if a pointer in C is quadwor=I dnG > aligned?  How do you programmatically figure this out.  Is there somee > simple trick?o  B > I know that malloc and calloc produce quadword aligned pointers.? > Does XtMalloc for X Windows produce quadword aigned pointers.h   > Thanks   > Stuart   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.519 ************************