1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 20 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 521       Contents:+ Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal 0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 RE: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 RE: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?4 Re: RE: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?> Boot_OSFLAGS:  (was: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not )B Re: Boot_OSFLAGS:  (was: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not )B Re: Boot_OSFLAGS:  (was: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ) DS10 vs. DS40 and HP support  Re: DS10 vs. DS40 and HP support  Re: DS10 vs. DS40 and HP support Re: graphics device driver Re: How to order VMS licenses? Re: How to order VMS licenses? Re: How to order VMS licenses? Re: HP hardware "support"  Re: HP hardware "support"  Re: HP hardware "support"   Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005/ interested in a trade: 4000-600 for a uv3100-9x ' Re: Moving a Tk70 from 3400 to 4000/600 ' Re: Moving a Tk70 from 3400 to 4000/600  Re: Need quotes for a system Re: Need quotes for a system newbie multinet, wasd question Re: Reimport VMS mail problemsF Re: Search all Files for any Lines containing specific set of Strings." Re: source for 431 pin CPU socket?8 Re: Verisign's destruction of DNS: anynews from ICANN ?] Re: VMS website updated.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:21:43 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch8 Message-ID: <cbemmvg25qgrufhckda4usvvm5gik56r7m@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:20:30 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy . <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote:   K >> The real point is, of course, that your initial statement is wrong.  His N >> counter-example proves that your argument lacks veracity of fact.  Thus, itL >> would not be mis-placed criticism to ask that you back up your statement, >> or withdraw it. >>   > < >The real point is that my origional statement was correct.   # Please review your statement below:    >>>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bjni1b$ipu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >>>> >>>>= >>>>>Losing market share in all their markets as HP have done   K Your statement indescriminately used "all there [HP's] markets", which from @ a logic perspective, can be disproven with one single example.    H Do you now deny the "all ... markets" claim or not?  If not, then you've= got a lot of work to disprove the counter examples presented.   I And, notably, since my prevoius posting, other counter examples have been K presented, thus disproving the initial statement of "all markets" as false.   < >If you drill down into a market and look at all its subsets9 >you can always find a ray of hope in an otherwise gloomy  >situation.   H A market is a market, sub or otherwise.  Laptops have historically had aH little better margin than desktops, so a rise there should be a positive? development - assuming that the higher margins don't also erode  significantly.   > 9 >There is no need to withdraw my statement it is correct.   D No, it still says "all ... markets", and this is demonstrably false.   > 9 >I do like the idea that you should unreservedly withdraw 7 >something that turns out to have no factaul basis. You ( >have a few postings to make, get to it. >   H Typical andrew.  You've got a real deficiency in self-analysis.  I don'tK make personal attacks, only analysis of your statements on logical grounds. I Since you apparently can't compete in that area of thought, you resort to A such silly attacks.  Of course, once again you can't support your C statements (demonstrating yet another typical method of operation).    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2003 11:35:57 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal3 Message-ID: <Z2386HQNby$4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   y In article <bket6t$vbrg$1@ID-170759.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Winfried Bergmann" <winfried.bergmannNosPAM@empuron.de> writes: N > I'm not a Mac OS X user, but isn't there something like a "Preferences.app",4 > where you can map and define your keyboard layout?  J That would be for a Unix user.  There might be some underlying Unix thing,H but Macintosh users demand clear dialog boxes etc.  Otherwise they would be Unix users.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2003 13:44:46 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <bkf18e$ctp$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  a In article <9YWIMd423d5$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: V >In article <dZLFASE9Oxar@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:9 >> More spams. Is this another virus / worm on the loose?  >>  R >> Since 13:44 CET yesterday I have received some 114 spam messages (oops, another& >> one just came in) in this  account. >>  M >> Normally I just get 3 or 4 per day. Spam filters are in place and the last L >> time they were adjusted was for the last round of email attacks - SoBig.F >>   > B >	Here at Eisner I received 68 yesterday and had 160 this morning.< >	Several more since then.  I've never seen such a flood of : >	crud.  Several online tech articles talk about it.  This >	one is really raging.   M Here the same. It is obviously a virus. Its mechanism is similar to SOBIG-F . N If you look at the binary code you will see that it uses a bunch of strings to% modify its from- and to-address, e.g.    :From: *Microsoft*Services*  :From: *Microsoft*Support* :From: *Microsoft*System*  :From: *Microsoft*Security*  :From: *Microsoft*Bulletin*  :FROM: *Microsoft*Assistance*  :FROM: *MS*Security* :FROM: *MS*Support*  :FROM: *MS*System* :FROM: *MS*Service*  :FROM: *MS*Bulletin* :FROM: *MS*Assistance*  . and a few more. The same for the to-addresses:  
 :TO: *client*  :TO: * user* :TO: *receiver*  :TO: *recipient* :TO: *customer*   G The above may be used together with Multinet's SMTP_SERVER_REJECT file.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieA  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:54:26 GMT " From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net>9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 8 Message-ID: <6xGab.2087$L72.98401@news2.telusplanet.net>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0507040506090800010508069 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group?  I've   been receiving the MS junkD mail since making a post yesterday, through both my Exchange and my  Netscape emails.  ExchangeH quarantines the junk, but I'll still have to manually delete the crud.  " I have Netscape 7.1, which filtersH over 95% into the Junk folder, which can be trained to delete the other  5%.  After a set amount of- time, the junk mail is automatically deleted. H I checked with our security people, and they have had no calls from our  Exchange users re the  MS junk mail we're discussing.   Rob Turk wrote:   9 >"Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message . >news:9YWIMd423d5$@eisner.encompasserve.org... >    > H >>In article <dZLFASE9Oxar@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul >>     >> >Sture) writes:  >    > 9 >>>More spams. Is this another virus / worm on the loose?  >>> J >>>Since 13:44 CET yesterday I have received some 114 spam messages (oops,	 >>>        >>>  >another >    > & >>>one just came in) in this  account. >>> H >>>Normally I just get 3 or 4 per day. Spam filters are in place and the	 >>>        >>>  >last  >    > D >>>time they were adjusted was for the last round of email attacks -	 >>>        >>>  >SoBig.F >    > B >>Here at Eisner I received 68 yesterday and had 160 this morning.; >>Several more since then.  I've never seen such a flood of : >>crud.  Several online tech articles talk about it.  This >>one is really raging.  >>     >> > M >I can't keep up with cleaning this mess out... 200 in the last *three hours* M >and rising... Can someone please walk over to Verisign and *WHACK* them over F >the head?!? Most spamfilters are no longer effective due to all bogus) >domains appearing to be valid... Grrr...  >  >Rob >  >  >    >    --   Lee    lytmah@telusplanet.net    & --------------050704050609080001050806) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">    <title></title>  </head> ' <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> H Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group?&nbsp;# I've been receiving the MS junk<br> C mail since making a post yesterday, through both my Exchange and my # Netscape emails.&nbsp; Exchange<br> L quarantines the junk, but I'll still have to manually delete the crud.&nbsp;& I have Netscape 7.1, which filters<br>G over 95% into the Junk folder, which can be trained to delete the other # 5%.&nbsp; After a set amount of<br> 1 time, the junk mail is automatically deleted.<br> G I checked with our security people, and they have had no calls from our  Exchange users re the<br> " MS junk mail we're discussing.<br> <br> Rob Turk wrote:<br>  <blockquote type="cite" ;  cite="mid3f6b1243$0$196$e4fe514c@dreader3.news.xs4all.nl">    <pre wrap="">"Rob Young" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:young_r@encompasserve.org">&lt;young_r@encompasserve.org&gt;</a> wrote in message <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:9YWIMd423d5$@eisner.encompasserve.org">news:9YWIMd423d5$@eisner.encompasserve.org</a>...   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">     <pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dZLFASE9Oxar@elias.decus.ch">&lt;dZLFASE9Oxar@elias.decus.ch&gt;</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch">p_sture@elias.decus.ch</a> (Paul 
     </pre>   </blockquote> $   <pre wrap=""><!---->Sture) writes:   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">     <blockquote type="cite">I       <pre wrap="">More spams. Is this another virus / worm on the loose?   G Since 13:44 CET yesterday I have received some 114 spam messages (oops,        </pre>     </blockquote>    </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->another    </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">     <blockquote type="cite">6       <pre wrap="">one just came in) in this  account.  E Normally I just get 3 or 4 per day. Spam filters are in place and the        </pre>     </blockquote>    </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->last   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">     <blockquote type="cite">T       <pre wrap="">time they were adjusted was for the last round of email attacks -       </pre>     </blockquote>    </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->SoBig.F    </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">Q     <pre wrap="">Here at Eisner I received 68 yesterday and had 160 this morning. 9 Several more since then.  I've never seen such a flood of 8 crud.  Several online tech articles talk about it.  This one is really raging. 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->L I can't keep up with cleaning this mess out... 200 in the last *three hours*L and rising... Can someone please walk over to Verisign and *WHACK* them overE the head?!? Most spamfilters are no longer effective due to all bogus ( domains appearing to be valid... Grrr...   Rob        </pre>
 </blockquote>  <br>( <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--  Lee   i <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lytmah@telusplanet.net">lytmah@telusplanet.net</a></pre>  </body>  </html>   ( --------------050704050609080001050806--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:28:33 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 9 Subject: RE: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEEFIAAA.tom@kednos.com>   ! so what do you do with tcpip5.1 ?    >-----Original Message----- ; >From: Christoph Gartmann [mailto:gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de] ) >Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:45 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: >Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? >  > 5 >In article <9YWIMd423d5$@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  . >young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:C >>In article <dZLFASE9Oxar@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch   >(Paul Sture) writes: : >>> More spams. Is this another virus / worm on the loose? >>> < >>> Since 13:44 CET yesterday I have received some 114 spam  >messages (oops, another' >>> one just came in) in this  account.  >>> B >>> Normally I just get 3 or 4 per day. Spam filters are in place 
 >and the last D >>> time they were adjusted was for the last round of email attacks 
 >- SoBig.F >>>  >>C >>	Here at Eisner I received 68 yesterday and had 160 this morning. = >>	Several more since then.  I've never seen such a flood of  ; >>	crud.  Several online tech articles talk about it.  This  >>	one is really raging. > B >Here the same. It is obviously a virus. Its mechanism is similar 
 >to SOBIG-F . B >If you look at the binary code you will see that it uses a bunch  >of strings to& >modify its from- and to-address, e.g. >  >:From: *Microsoft*Services* >:From: *Microsoft*Support*  >:From: *Microsoft*System* >:From: *Microsoft*Security* >:From: *Microsoft*Bulletin* >:FROM: *Microsoft*Assistance* >:FROM: *MS*Security*  >:FROM: *MS*Support* >:FROM: *MS*System*  >:FROM: *MS*Service* >:FROM: *MS*Bulletin*  >:FROM: *MS*Assistance*  > / >and a few more. The same for the to-addresses:  >  >:TO: *client*
 >:TO: * user*  >:TO: *receiver* >:TO: *recipient*  >:TO: *customer* > H >The above may be used together with Multinet's SMTP_SERVER_REJECT file. > 	 >Regards,  >   Christoph Gartmann >  >-- F > Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 > Immunbiologie B > Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de > D-79011  Freiburg, Germany: >               http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:11:34 GMT 3 From: Robert Klute <robert_klute_removethis@hp.com> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 8 Message-ID: <hndmmv8jg64j61s4k75fc2dftov5eptebi@4ax.com>  E On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:54:26 GMT, Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote:   J >Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group?  I've  >been receiving the MS junk E >mail since making a post yesterday, through both my Exchange and my   >Netscape emails.     G Nope, I am getting attacked on a Windows based mail server I operate on F my personal domain.  The domain is only used for mail and I have NEVERE posted from the ID.  The Email ID targeted is my friends and official C business ID.  So, odds are high it is combing address books for new  victims.   Robert Klute Cupertino Solution Center  Hewlett-Packard Company  ----- 6 The opinions are those of the poster, not the company.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:11:56 -0400 ) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? ) Message-ID: <3F6B38CE.E16ED976@istop.com>    > Lee wrote: > F > Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group?    L Other people in other newsgroups have also complained about this. However, IH am not getting much of that crud. I think i got about 8 messages so far.5 Perhaps my ISP is doing a good job at filtering them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:22:06 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 5 Message-ID: <190920031322063895%paul.anderson@hp.com>   < In article <6xGab.2087$L72.98401@news2.telusplanet.net>, Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote:   D > Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group? : E > I checked with our security people, and they have had no calls from : > our Exchange users re the MS junk mail we're discussing.  F I received 680 messages overnight, and they continue to come in at oneE or two per minute.  My total in the last 24 hours must be approaching E 1000.  Ironically, I do not use Windows, while the people adjacent to - me, who do, have not gotten any of this junk.   F Odd that I haven't received my daily dose of enlargement or gas-saving& or Nigerian money scam messages today.  B If we find out who started this virus, we should make them pay the2 actual damages in lost time this thing is causing.  B Paul, who received another two messages while composing this post.   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:55:01 GMT   From: CJT <cheljuba@prodigy.net>9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? * Message-ID: <3F6B4355.9040705@prodigy.net>   Paul Anderson wrote:  > > In article <6xGab.2087$L72.98401@news2.telusplanet.net>, Lee! > <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote:  >  > D >>Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group? >  > :  > E >>I checked with our security people, and they have had no calls from : >>our Exchange users re the MS junk mail we're discussing. >  > H > I received 680 messages overnight, and they continue to come in at oneG > or two per minute.  My total in the last 24 hours must be approaching G > 1000.  Ironically, I do not use Windows, while the people adjacent to / > me, who do, have not gotten any of this junk.  > H > Odd that I haven't received my daily dose of enlargement or gas-saving( > or Nigerian money scam messages today. > D > If we find out who started this virus, we should make them pay the4 > actual damages in lost time this thing is causing. > D > Paul, who received another two messages while composing this post. >   G I'm seeing something quite similar.  The surprising thing to me is that F other spam seems to be getting squeezed out.  It's very reminiscent of  the sobig storm a few weeks ago.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:12:02 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <00A26240.78C93DF0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <6xGab.2087$L72.98401@news2.telusplanet.net>, Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes: C >Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group?   C I'd doubt it.  More like a miserable lonely person.  There's an old B adage: misery loves company.  It's probably some poor bastard thatC has been strapped with a Micro$haft box and just wants the rest of   the world to feel his/her pain.    --L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:51:07 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? < Message-ID: <howard-2B147D.13510719092003@enews.newsguy.com>  5 In article <190920031322063895%paul.anderson@hp.com>, ,  Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> wrote:  D > If we find out who started this virus, we should make them pay the4 > actual damages in lost time this thing is causing.  6 Treble damages, AFTER we hang them by their genitalia.   --  # Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction!    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:22:27 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 5 Message-ID: <190920031422271174%paul.anderson@hp.com>   E In article <00A26240.78C93DF0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, < @SendSpamHere.ORG>  wrote:  ? > It's probably some poor bastard that has been strapped with a E > Micro$haft box and just wants the rest of the world to feel his/her  > pain.   H The sad thing is that most Windows users don't realize they're in pain. 3 They have no idea "it doesn't have to be this way".    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:26:28 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 9 Subject: RE: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEELIAAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- ; >From: Robert Klute [mailto:robert_klute_removethis@hp.com] * >Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:12 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: >Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? >  > F >On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:54:26 GMT, Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote: > J >>Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group?  I've >>been receiving the MS junkE >>mail since making a post yesterday, through both my Exchange and my  >>Netscape emails. > H >Nope, I am getting attacked on a Windows based mail server I operate onG >my personal domain.  The domain is only used for mail and I have NEVER F >posted from the ID.  The Email ID targeted is my friends and officialD >business ID.  So, odds are high it is combing address books for new	 >victims.   D Never-the-less it does seem to be connected to this group, or as youL suggest to the address book of members of this group.  However, I doubt thatI I am in many address books, I think it more likely that the addresses are F harvested directly from COV.  Others, to whom I have spoken, in no way8 connected to this group are not seeing anything unusual.     > 
 >Robert Klute  >Cupertino Solution Center >Hewlett-Packard Company >-----7 >The opinions are those of the poster, not the company.  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:53:18 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>= Subject: Re: RE: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <00A26246.39B34C99.16@tachysoft.com>   > " >so what do you do with tcpip5.1 ? >   9 Install MX and use that instead of the SMTP in the stack.     O %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-SEP-2003 14:25:47.73  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node HARDY at   19-SEP-2003 14:25:29.98) ! Message from user SYSTEM on HARDY P MX SMTP server: rejected message from <chamberlin@myvine.com> sent by [209.242.6L 4.158] due to RFC822 header rule [*MS*Corporation*Technical*] [rule id 1773]    O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== N Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:31:23 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 9 Message-ID: <bkfoud$1akfj$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>   + On 2003-09-19 20:22, "Paul Anderson" wrote:   G > In article <00A26240.78C93DF0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, < @SendSpamHere.ORG>  > wrote: > @ >> It's probably some poor bastard that has been strapped with aF >> Micro$haft box and just wants the rest of the world to feel his/her >> pain. > J > The sad thing is that most Windows users don't realize they're in pain. 5 > They have no idea "it doesn't have to be this way".   H The *really* sad thing are the half/full page ads (ProLiant Series IIRC)G saying "HP recommends Winwoes XP for best results" or similar appearing  in newspapers.   Michael    SCNR   --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:02:05 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <00A26247.76C62BCD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <190920031422271174%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:F >In article <00A26240.78C93DF0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, < @SendSpamHere.ORG> >wrote:  > @ >> It's probably some poor bastard that has been strapped with aF >> Micro$haft box and just wants the rest of the world to feel his/her >> pain. > I >The sad thing is that most Windows users don't realize they're in pain.  4 >They have no idea "it doesn't have to be this way".  F Sadly true.  People using PeeCees seem to think that what they have toC endure and experience is some pandora-ian pox that plagues all OSs.    --L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:34:05 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? ' Message-ID: <3F6B5A2D.C03650A6@aaa.com>    Check : J http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.swen.a@mm.html  	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:54:52 -0700 1 From: Greg Cagle <news@*removethis*gregcagle.com> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? / Message-ID: <vmmnoqodjoi70d@corp.supernews.com>    Tom Linden wrote:     F > Never-the-less it does seem to be connected to this group, or as youN > suggest to the address book of members of this group.  However, I doubt thatK > I am in many address books, I think it more likely that the addresses are H > harvested directly from COV.  Others, to whom I have spoken, in no way: > connected to this group are not seeing anything unusual.  < Other Usenet groups are being hit as well. The folks over in> comp.sys.hp.mpe are getting nailed; they are also gatewayed to8 a list server so maybe that has something to do with it.   - Greg --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:07:29 -0400 ) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? ) Message-ID: <3F6B61E5.6CC0E6D7@istop.com>    Tom Linden wrote: F > Never-the-less it does seem to be connected to this group, or as you8 > suggest to the address book of members of this group.   M As a regular (some would say prolific) poster in this group, if normal people N had received 1000 emails, I should have gotten 50,000. I have gotten only 8 soK far. And since I am on many people's killfiles, the only sure thing is that R the virus isn't picking up adresses from killfiles :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:20:35 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? / Message-ID: <3F6B63AA.8B532579@eps.zko.dec.com>    Well, .     It may be a harversting from newsgroups...  M         Paul S, Paul A, christof and CJT all appear (I can not tell for sure)  toF         have their Email address in 'plain view' in the usenet header.  K         JFmezei has his spamnot interjection which may be all it takes as a  shield (for now!)            Crappy stuff.    fwiw, 	     Hein.    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2003 17:21:57 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <bkfdvl$i04$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  n In article <hndmmv8jg64j61s4k75fc2dftov5eptebi@4ax.com>, Robert Klute <robert_klute_removethis@hp.com> writes:F >On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:54:26 GMT, Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote: > K >>Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group?  I've   >>been receiving the MS junkF >>mail since making a post yesterday, through both my Exchange and my  >>Netscape emails.   > H >Nope, I am getting attacked on a Windows based mail server I operate onG >my personal domain.  The domain is only used for mail and I have NEVER F >posted from the ID.  The Email ID targeted is my friends and officialD >business ID.  So, odds are high it is combing address books for new	 >victims.   M This is exactly what it does. Do a google search for "SWEN VIRUS". It is even H worse in that it deactivates anti-virus-software and personal firewalls.M Unfortunately with this stupid invention of VeriSign it is no longer possible M to reject mails with invalid sender domains. This is a big advantage for this ( virus. I consider it worse than Sobig-F.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieA  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:16:11 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <00A2625A.2F8C3F8C.13@tachysoft.com>   >>A >>> It's probably some poor bastard that has been strapped with a G >>> Micro$haft box and just wants the rest of the world to feel his/her 	 >>> pain.  >>J >>The sad thing is that most Windows users don't realize they're in pain. 5 >>They have no idea "it doesn't have to be this way".  > G >Sadly true.  People using PeeCees seem to think that what they have to D >endure and experience is some pandora-ian pox that plagues all OSs.    L As I have said many times, this is the greatest damage billy has done to theO computer world, the widespread perception that *all* computers are as fucked up N as billyboxes, and continual failures and screwups is simply the Way Computers Work.   K It was a few years ago, but I am *still* laughing about a news report where H billy got up in front of some conference and said "we have *got* to make computers more reliable".   N What he meant of course was that he had to make *his* computers more reliable.C Those of us not running billyboxes don't have reliability problems.   O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   2O ===============================================================================lN Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:13:03 GMTf# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>E9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? J Message-ID: <PbLab.507032$4UE.327117@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Tom Linden wrote:o >> -----Original Message-----h= >> From: Robert Klute [mailto:robert_klute_removethis@hp.com] , >> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:12 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >> Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? >> >>H >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:54:26 GMT, Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote: >>F >>> Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group?# >>> I've been receiving the MS junksG >>> mail since making a post yesterday, through both my Exchange and myo >>> Netscape emails. >>G >> Nope, I am getting attacked on a Windows based mail server I operateoF >> on my personal domain.  The domain is only used for mail and I haveE >> NEVER posted from the ID.  The Email ID targeted is my friends and G >> official business ID.  So, odds are high it is combing address booksh >> for new victims.  > F > Never-the-less it does seem to be connected to this group, or as youC > suggest to the address book of members of this group.  However, IaD > doubt that I am in many address books, I think it more likely thatC > the addresses are harvested directly from COV.  Others, to whom Ia? > have spoken, in no way connected to this group are not seeing( > anything unusual.t     FromJ http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.swen.a@mm.html    "Transmission through newsgroupsL The worm will enumerate the registry looking for newsgroup server addresses,H then attempt to contact that newsgroup server. If no newsgroup server isB configured on the system, the worm will randomly select one from aE predefined list. The worm will download the available groups and post K messages to randomly selected groups. The messages posted to the newsgroups0H are generated according to the same routine utilized for email sending."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:49:17 -0500l( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?n/ Message-ID: <00A2625E.CFA66935.6@tachysoft.com>    >e >FrompK >http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.swen.a@mm.html- > ! >"Transmission through newsgroupsMM >The worm will enumerate the registry looking for newsgroup server addresses,"I >then attempt to contact that newsgroup server. If no newsgroup server is C >configured on the system, the worm will randomly select one from acF >predefined list. The worm will download the available groups and postL >messages to randomly selected groups. The messages posted to the newsgroupsI >are generated according to the same routine utilized for email sending."  >   M It never ceases to amaze me how much effort these dickweeds expend in writingoM this shit.  If they would apply this energy to their job (or classwork), theyrM could be head of the company (or validictorian of their third grade class, ass the case may be).H   WayneoO =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   ,O =============================================================================== N Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:41:11 -0400i) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>p9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?e) Message-ID: <3F6B85DE.524D0FFF@istop.com>    John Smith wrote:k > FromL > http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.swen.a@mm.html    L This is one reason I dislike the SYSMAN STARTUP  mechanism. I much prefer toJ see software manually added to systartup_vms.com than having their startupP procedure stored in some central datab<se to which one can easily add something.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 04:03:06 GMTt+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)d9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?t9 Message-ID: <_jQab.52343$z32.27611@twister.austin.rr.com>u   VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:h? : In article <6xGab.2087$L72.98401@news2.telusplanet.net>, Lee u" : <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes:E : >Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group?t : E : I'd doubt it.  More like a miserable lonely person.  There's an oldtD : adage: misery loves company.  It's probably some poor bastard thatE : has been strapped with a Micro$haft box and just wants the rest of h! : the world to feel his/her pain.- :   ? No miserable old person, just another worm exploiting holes in p Microsoft's "alleged" software:j  -    http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/swen.shtmle2    F-Secure Computer Virus Information Pages: Swen    -   "...Spreading in e-mails and to newsgroups k  E    The worm periodically scans HTML and ASP files on a hard drive andbB    stores found e-mail addresses in the GERMS0.DBV file located inG    Windows folder. The worm also reads .EML, .DBX, .WAB, and .MBX fileseC    and fetches e-mail addresses from there. The worm does not fetchi4    addresses containing 'delete' and 'spam' strings.  G    The worm also can search for e-mail addresses in various newsgroups.-H    It connects to NNTP servers listed in the SWEN1.DAT file, gets a listI    of all newsgroups on that server and searches recent messages in these D    newsgroups for 'nfrom:' and 'nreply-to:' tags. When such tags areF    found, the worm gets e-mail addressed after them and writes them toE    the GERMS0.DBV file. This way the worm can harvers a lot of e-maile    addresses to send itself to.P  E    The worm can post its e-mails to newsgroups, the names of which itoB    finds during searching process. The worm sends the same kind of#    messages as it sends via e-mail.s  F    The worm reads SMTP server address and user name from the Registry.I    However, if it can't find this info, it shows a fake MAPI error dialogr$    asking a user to input that data:  F    The worm sends itself a very legitimately-looking messages that areE    composed from different text strings hardcoded in the worm's body. *    Here is an example of such message:..."       --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emails   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:28:59 -0700u% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>g9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?r( Message-ID: <3F6BD78B.6090801@rdrop.com>  
 leslie wrote:sF > The worm sends itself a very legitimately-looking messages that are E > composed from different text strings hardcoded in the worm's body. o) > Here is an example of such message:..."e  I My ISP noticed that every one he's seen has a subject header that starts fI with SUBJECT: rather than the more typical Subject:. As far as he knows, :? no real mail program sets the subject header in all caps. FWIW.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:14:24 -0400 ) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>o9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?f) Message-ID: <3F6BD3DC.2729DB4F@istop.com>@  I If only worms transmitted high quality european chocolate bars instead ofu  stupid microsoft executables :-)  N Then I'd want my ISP to open the gates so I got receive 600 chocolate bars per day :-)u   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2003 13:01:24 -0700& From: denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny)G Subject: Boot_OSFLAGS:  (was: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not )-= Message-ID: <2a9d9498.0309191201.4c33df92@posting.google.com>h  3 Speaking of Boot_osflags, I have a DEC3000/M300X.  n< ----1. Does anybody have documentation for the meagre set of7 environment variables that I get at the console prompt?lE ----2. I'd like this pelican to autoboot after power on. what flag doaD I set to get this to happen.  Maybe its a jumper on the motherboard? Thanks -----e denny       v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<bVzDF4EToDKH@eisner.encompasserve.org>...a > In article <3F69CE26.961738B1@ntlworld.com>, "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> writes:n > > L > > Is it easy to dual boot OpenVMS and Tru64 if they are on separate disks? > I >    Yep.  Basically you specify the boot disk and any OS-dependent flags G >    with the boot command.  You may want to set it up so that it won'ta. >    automatically boot to either on power-up.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 SEP 2003 20:42:43 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>oK Subject: Re: Boot_OSFLAGS:  (was: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not )e2 Message-ID: <19SEP03.20424324@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  > In a previous article, denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny) wrote:5 > Speaking of Boot_osflags, I have a DEC3000/M300X.   > > ----1. Does anybody have documentation for the meagre set of9 > environment variables that I get at the console prompt?gG > ----2. I'd like this pelican to autoboot after power on. what flag dooF > I set to get this to happen.  Maybe its a jumper on the motherboard?  G You probably want the SET AUTO_ACTION console command.  According to mya" 3000/*400* docs, your options are:  8  RESTART            boot after power on or software halt  '  BOOT               boot after power ona  ?  HALT               stop at >>> after power on or software halti   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVrH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:58:14 GMTa2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)K Subject: Re: Boot_OSFLAGS:  (was: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not )aL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1909032106580001@user-105n86e.dialup.mindspring.com>  A In article <19SEP03.20424324@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:l  ? >In a previous article, denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny) wrote:h6 >> Speaking of Boot_osflags, I have a DEC3000/M300X.  ? >> ----1. Does anybody have documentation for the meagre set of : >> environment variables that I get at the console prompt?H >> ----2. I'd like this pelican to autoboot after power on. what flag doG >> I set to get this to happen.  Maybe its a jumper on the motherboard?e > H >You probably want the SET AUTO_ACTION console command.  According to my# >3000/*400* docs, your options are:  >y9 > RESTART            boot after power on or software haltS >n( > BOOT               boot after power on >w@ > HALT               stop at >>> after power on or software halt  H Also try the console HELP command, and its various options.  Not as niceI as more recent Alpha systems, but downright luxurious compared to most ofp
 the vaxes.  9 The SHOW command should display the value of all the EVs.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:54:23 -0500o1 From: "Grealy, Patrick" <PGrealy@sph.uth.tmc.edu>"% Subject: DS10 vs. DS40 and HP supportcM Message-ID: <40B30BA5E139F648B2EA60E6AE3A7B2601CCA31D@sphnt3.sph.uth.tmc.edu>A  F I just wanted to thank those of you who took the time to consider my =J posting last month and offered helpful suggestions. We've decided on the =E dual DS10 configuration mainly due to budgetary constraints and the =b0 limited scope for which this system is intended.G Considering all the HP bashing going on, I would like to state that I =oG have been very pleased with the software phone support from HP/Compaq =(J that we have received during the past year. There seems to be at least a =D few old DEC gurus buried away there. And the help we received from =H Darryl Fuller in Colorado Springs in configuring the specs for our new =F system was greatly appreciated since we were trying to beat a budget =D deadline. This was especially remarkable considering that it was a =E relatively lightweight academic discount deal for HP. The sad news, =eH however, is that it took us two months of being passed from one rep to =I another before we found one that was both interested and knowledgeable. =w# Thus, the deadline crunch. - Pat G.b   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:05:48 GMTt2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)) Subject: Re: DS10 vs. DS40 and HP supportrL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1909032114310001@user-105n86e.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleB <40B30BA5E139F648B2EA60E6AE3A7B2601CCA31D@sphnt3.sph.uth.tmc.edu>,2 "Grealy, Patrick" <PGrealy@sph.uth.tmc.edu> wrote:  G >I just wanted to thank those of you who took the time to consider my =rK >posting last month and offered helpful suggestions. We've decided on the =aF >dual DS10 configuration mainly due to budgetary constraints and the =1 >limited scope for which this system is intended. H >Considering all the HP bashing going on, I would like to state that I =H >have been very pleased with the software phone support from HP/Compaq =K >that we have received during the past year. There seems to be at least a =,E >few old DEC gurus buried away there. And the help we received from =jI >Darryl Fuller in Colorado Springs in configuring the specs for our new =MG >system was greatly appreciated since we were trying to beat a budget = E >deadline. This was especially remarkable considering that it was a =aF >relatively lightweight academic discount deal for HP. The sad news, =I >however, is that it took us two months of being passed from one rep to = J >another before we found one that was both interested and knowledgeable. =$ >Thus, the deadline crunch. - Pat G.  I Ask the rep if he's willing to have his contact info posted here.  Or ask I him to post it himself.  Too many people seem to be getting the runaround H from HP for Alpha purchases.  I believe a solution to this problem would5 be extremely relevant and appreciated in comp.os.vms.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:18:10 -0400e) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>e) Subject: Re: DS10 vs. DS40 and HP support ) Message-ID: <3F6BAA9C.8B6133B3@istop.com>E   Robert Deininger wrote:aK > Ask the rep if he's willing to have his contact info posted here.  Or askcK > him to post it himself.  Too many people seem to be getting the runaround J > from HP for Alpha purchases.  I believe a solution to this problem would7 > be extremely relevant and appreciated in comp.os.vms.   M Is there an existing process already ? Isn't the official way to contact Sue, N get her to put you in touch with an Ambassador, and then all your problems are solved ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:53:32 GMTB9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>i# Subject: Re: graphics device driverM2 Message-ID: <woHab.5211$U_2.5136@news.cpqcorp.net>  G "Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40" <pmoreau@ath.cena.fr>d, wrote in message news:SQ35IBSYdHOb@sinead...4 > In article <t6Fab.5185$YW2.2322@news.cpqcorp.net>,= > "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:E > [...]f >.K > > If a 3rd party approaches us who wants to develop support for a specialrF > > card, we will work with them to provide a development toolkit on aL > > case-by-case basis.  We have done this twice in the past.  The first oneL > > developed a fully functional driver/ddx, but in the end decided to use aI > > supported graphics option.  The second is in the process of finishings theirtI > > support for a highly specialized large format (2k x 2k +) LCD monitora and/5 > > proprietary graphics engine (verrrry cool stuff).e > K > We have 5 SONY 2k x2k monitors (CRT ones) and are going to buy some 2k 2k/ LCDsK > for our new ATC simulator. Can I think that these monitors will (one day)  be# > supported on VMS ? Very cool ....m >o  K The monitor I had in my office was a pure digital 2k x 2k LCD monitor - toonH bad it only stayed for a couple days :-(  Now I'm stuck with the low-res* analog card outputting to a 1280x1024 LCD.  H Yup.  This is ATC.  We are also working with a leading ISV to port theirF imaging and simulation software to VMS (yup, also widely used by ATC).  K I expect that once these two partners have completed their work, we'll havep3 an announcement about availability.  Even with justo< word-of-mouth-and-trade-shows - we have a *lot* of interest.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2003 12:51:50 -0700& From: denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny)' Subject: Re: How to order VMS licenses?t= Message-ID: <2a9d9498.0309191151.22413af9@posting.google.com>u  D Regarding Volume Shadowing....caution...i'm trying to remember a job* for a client that we finished 3 years ago.  B There is an unlimited volume shadowing license that goes for aboutF (maybe, if i remember right) $1600 for say, an AlphaServer 1000A. ThisC is a "by the box" license meaning you need one for each box in youriA cluster - OK if you have a couple of nodes because you can shadows' virtually *unlimited* numbers of disks.e  A But we had 1 A/S 1000, and 34 workstations. So we chose the other,F Shadowing license that was maybe $1700 (about the same price, anyway).F  This was a "per disk" license and allowed us to turn on shadowing forE the system disk, and to continue to boot not only the server, but allaD the workstations as well. The "per box" license would have been over $70,000 had we gone that route.-  D So it depends on what your cluster is like. BTW: we had all the data> on a 5-spindle, Raid5 container in the A/S1000.  We could have? performed the same effect with a 3-spindle, 18gb shadow set andi% another of those "per disk" licenses.r  B BTW: the system disk would go into shadow merge anytime one of the= engineers shut down his VMS workstation. So that's a possiblea	 drawback.h  C Your mileage may vary. check with your supplier for correct license  prices.2  F I don't remember if the VOLSHAD software is already loaded with VMS orF not. If not, its likely on the VMS distribution CD. Just load the PAK,F then load and go with VOLSHAD. See the VMS Volume Shadowing Manual for8 important details on setting this up for the first time.   regardsa   denny   1 tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) wrote in message    9 news:<ea44f5a1.0309190637.3fee97d9@posting.google.com>...r > "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<KBmab.1548$Jo5.58121427@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>...6 > > "Tom Adams" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message; > > news:ea44f5a1.0309180948.782aa821@posting.google.com...o5 > > > Does a base license allow 64 interactive logins4 > > >01 > > > What additional license do I need for that?t > > >xK > > You'll need  OPENVMS-ALPHA-ADL (additional) license units to allow moreo > > simultaneous users.s > ' > Is that unlimited simultaneous users?t > & > Or do I order for a specific number? >  > > / > > > I want to form 2 disks into a shadow set.  > > >e! > > > What do I need to get that?s > > P > > You need a VOLSHAD (Volume shadowing) license.  As I recall these used to beM > > sold for either a limited numbers of shadow sets or "unlimited" use.  You K > > may want to consider a hardware solution for RAID-1 as well if a static N > > configuration suits your needs.  "The Volume Shadowing for OpenVMS" manualM > > has details on how to configure and manage shadow sets.  There are sysgenaK > > parameters which you'll need to set to enable shadowing on your system.  > K > Am I correct in assuming that all I really need is the license pak?  If Io@ > have that then I should be able to configure volume shadowing.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2003 21:50:56 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.come' Subject: Re: How to order VMS licenses?o+ Message-ID: <bkfto00823@enews3.newsguy.com>-  * JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:I > After installing the licence, you also need to check the SYSGEN SHADOW* O > parameters, notably enable SHADOWING (set to 2). If you want your system disk 9 > to be shadowed, you also need to set a parameter there.e  J Another big one is setting the ALLOCLASS even if you're not clustered. Not< doing that can lead to some rather confusing error messages.   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:19:57 -0400p  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>' Subject: Re: How to order VMS licenses?e5 Message-ID: <1030920000542.3498C-100000@Ives.egh.com>m    On 18 Sep 2003, Tom Adams wrote:  1 > Does a base license allow 64 interactive logins   E Generally, the base license only allows you to log in at the console.-   > - > What additional license do I need for that?   = As other responder said, OPENVMS-ALPHA-ADL, per user license,oM available in most powers of 2 (1 user, 2 users, 4 users, ... 128 users, etc.)@0 or OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER, good for unlimited users.  ; The price for ADL licenses goes down as you get more users,m< e.g. 32-user license is cheaper than 16 2-users licenses (or< at least that was true last time I priced them), and I think1 they are portable amoung all the systems you own.   > USER license price depends on the CPU power, and I don't think3 you can move them except by paying a migration fee.0  : You have to look at your individual situation to determine8 what's best.  For example, for a given system, 100 users= might be plenty, but a 128-user license might be cheaper thana= 64+32+4 licenses, so 128's a better deal.  On the other hand,G? if you are thinking about getting a second system and splittinga> the load, 2 64-unit licenses might be a better deal, since you; could move one of them to the 2nd system, instead of buyingW more user licenses.a > + > I want to form 2 disks into a shadow set.s >  > What do I need to get that?   = Shadowing software is part of VMS (System Integrated Product, ; or SIP), so you just need a license to enable it.  No extrae: software to load.  Other posts have mentioned per disk vs.= unlimited licenses, and the SYSGEN parameter changes you neede9 to make to actually use it.  Read the fine Manuals.  They % tell you everything you need to know.b   -- t John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:46:01 -0700s* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>" Subject: Re: HP hardware "support"2 Message-ID: <DqOdnUFOzOm3GvaiU-KYvA@mpowercom.net>  3 "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message 7 news:cc5619f2.0309190711.38107876@posting.google.com... F > Third call underway, currently on hold for about 6 minutes.  I can'tF > wait to see what further adventures await.  I already know I'm goingF > to talk to an intermediate rep about how often I clean the drive and5 > possibly silly wintel driver or 'try this' items...  >eK HP shouldn't be singled out for what is now an industry standard acceptablesK level of (non) support.  I spent the morning troubleshooting an ISDN routerrI with the helpful Netgear Indian call center tech, who after repeating allvJ the procedures I told him I had already performed then finally agreed that? yes the router was broken, yes it was still under warranty, but @ unfortunately there were no longer any ISDN routers availabe forG replacement, warranty or otherwise.  A replacement might be forthcominge: within 3 weeks or so.  Maybe.  If they can find something.  7 Wanna bet the guy next to him was handling the HP call?f  J The hazards of paying by the cleared support call neglects the longer termL cost of customer attrition.  It will be a cold day before I ever buy NetgearL again (a shame since the equipment does exactly what I want, when it works).L For that matter I'm not inclined to recommend existing customers continue HPL support unless absolutely necessary.  Stocking spare parts is looking better and better as the alternative.    Jack Peacock>   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:57:04 GMT-% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>>" Subject: Re: HP hardware "support"8 Message-ID: <ABNab.12502$pU4.1797@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  J Try calling DMV, or something else in the local government offices.   Then tell me what crappy support is!0  L I guess that you get what you pay for.  Do you really expect to get the callL answered right away at the "everyone" support level?  At the platinum level,G I let my support TAMS know if I have to wait at all for the phone to be=8 answered.  Then again, we pay for that level of support.  J I could have a support tech on site if we really desired, but we really doH not have that many problems with our Alphaservers to require a full time
 support tech.=  1 Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message=7 news:cc5619f2.0309190711.38107876@posting.google.com...oH > The TLZ09 in our MicroVAX died today.  Called support at 1800-354-9000D > as always since its still under contract until December (when most4 > 3100s are being desupported for hardware service). >wG > VAX/Alpha is the FIFTH voice-menu item (bet we're paying more support0@ > than the wintel desktops that come first, even at bronze/basic
 > levels). >mF > After selecting storage we again get to wait through wintel choices. >bG > After making the final selection, first call spent 10 minutes on holde1 > before I had to hang up due to a priority call.  > C > Second call held for about 8 minutes, rang once, got picked up (I C > could hear voices in the background), stayed that way for about 2*= > minutes (nobody responded when I spoke), then disconnected.a >gF > Third call underway, currently on hold for about 6 minutes.  I can'tF > wait to see what further adventures await.  I already know I'm goingF > to talk to an intermediate rep about how often I clean the drive and5 > possibly silly wintel driver or 'try this' items...n > 
 > Rich Jordanr > CCSy >mE > P.S. third call just ended.  It rang four times, clicked, then dead-3 > air.  Sure feels like peecee class support to me.3   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 04:07:13 GMTo+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)-" Subject: Re: HP hardware "support"9 Message-ID: <RnQab.52374$z32.17287@twister.austin.rr.com>>  $ Mike Naime (mnaime@kc.rr.com) wrote:G : Try calling DMV, or something else in the local government offices.  .& : Then tell me what crappy support is! :   D Like the 40 states whose welfare hotlines are outsourced to India ?; e.g.:r  6    http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/124442.html    WTVY | Food Stampsw  ;    http://newstribune.com/stories/101602/sta_1016020924.asptF    News Tribune - Missouri welfare hot line calls go to India 10/16/02   --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailo   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:54:27 -0400a  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005a5 Message-ID: <1030919185237.3498D-100000@Ives.egh.com>-  & On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, John Smith wrote:  * > Then there's this article and quote..... > 5 > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1269660,00.aspi > 2 >       Intel CTO: Desktop Isn't Ready for 64 Bits >       By Mark Hachmanc >       September 15, 2003 >  > L >       SAN JOSE, Calif.-Sixty-four bit computing won't be needed on desktopJ > PCs for several more years, according to Pat Gelsinger, chief technology > officer at Intel Corp. ......f > H >       ie. no volume in the 64-bit market from Intel for years.....read/ > higher prices....read lower adoption rates...-  I Intel said the exact same thing about Pentiums when they were introduced.t  F "Pentiums are for servers.  Desktop users should stick with 486." theyE said.  We all know how long that lasted.  The only diffence was there = then there was a lot of clamor from users (mostly gamers) for B Pentium desktops.  I don't know how much current gamers care about# IPF, AMD-64, or 64 bits in general.s   -- T John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:50:50 -0400 (EDT)g+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>m8 Subject: interested in a trade: 4000-600 for a uv3100-9xG Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58-035.0309191450200.5191@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>R  E I have a vax 4000-600 with 192 mb of core and a CQD423 qbus scsi cardCG in it, which unfortunately is somewhat large, and I am preparing slowlyoK for a long distance move. I'm interested in trading it for a uv3100-9x typeeF machine, or a uv4k100-type machine. Anybody interested? given that theF max memory in most of those is 128 mb, and mine has 192, it could be a  memory upgrade if nothing else..   Isildurd   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2003 23:05:21 GMT) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk>k0 Subject: Re: Moving a Tk70 from 3400 to 4000/6009 Message-ID: <3f6b8bb1$0$242$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>    tony.arnold@man.ac.uk wrote:G > Seeing Adian Stapley's post recently about his TK-70 reminded me that G > I have a 3400 with a TK-70 and I want to move the TK-70 to a MicroVAXeF > 4000/600. Should this be possible and is there anything I need to be > careful about?  < Thought I would follow this up myself to say that I have now= successfully installed the TK-70 in the 4000-600. It needed a = mounting kit which was supplied through a friend of a friend!k  C Once in the mounting kit, the drive slides into the right hand diskeE bay of the 4000-600. The drive picks up power from an extra connectorTB on the back plane of the drive bays. I still needed to install theD interface card into the Q-bus and route a cable from the card to the< drive itself, but there is room along the top of the boards.  B I was quite amazed and pleased that once installed, the device wasE visible to the console (SHOW DEVICE) and then also visible to VMS! IttF seems VMS has been plug and play for much longer than any other system with this claim!  A Thanks to all those who offered advice and encouragement for this  small project.   Tony.a --  F Tony Arnold, Deputy to the Head of COS Division, Manchester Computing,: University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2003 01:18:24 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.coml0 Subject: Re: Moving a Tk70 from 3400 to 4000/600+ Message-ID: <bkg9t00875@enews2.newsguy.com>r  + Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:dI > I suppose you could get a tabletop box, or some other 5v-0v-12v supply,l > but it doesn't look pretty.g  G Having it sitting out would make cleaning it easier.  At least I know I 4 clean my TK50/TZ30/TK70 drives by taking them apart.  G > But take this as 0.02 (local currency) because I speak as someone who J > admits to using cereal packet cardboard on the back of hobby system disk7 > drives (RF31) when no proper slides were available...e  L I've got a PDP-11/73 with SCSI, one HD sled holder and the CD-ROM are boltedL to the drive carriers, the second HD sled holder, and the TLZ06 4mm DAT justL sit on top the other two drives loose.  Finding the proper brackets can be aL royal pain!  I hope to eventually manufacture brackets to hold the drives in- place, but finding the time is the problem...    			Zaneo   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2003 11:08:03 -0700% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)>% Subject: Re: Need quotes for a systeme= Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0309191008.3d911fcb@posting.google.com>i  / Can you still get DS10/466 systems new from HP?i  ? So far, the only quote that I have is for a refurbished system.n  3 I thought I saw a new system listed on the HP site.t  b lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) wrote in message news:<bkciur$dp4$1@newslocal.mitre.org>... > tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes in article <ea44f5a1.0309180457.22a538a6@posting.google.com> dated 18 Sep 2003 05:57:04 -0700:rG > >I need quotes or some vendor names.  I have contacted HP, but I will* > >need more quotes. >  > cpuoptions.com > islandco.com >  > >Here is the system specs: > >o9 > >Alphaserver DS10/466 hz with dual ethernet controllersd > >h@ > >2 twisted-pair to BNC ethernet media converters, assuming the > >Alphaserver has twisted-pair= > N > You might be able to pick up BNC/TP combo cards cheap.  But then if you ever5 > upgrade from BNC to TP they'll only work at 10half.a >  > >1 gig memory  > >=# > >2 9.1 gig hard disk SCSI drives = > >= > >SCSI controller > >u > >SCSI Tape drive > ) > You need to decide what kind of tape.  c > 1 > >Open VMS 7.2-1 or earlier version if necessary, > >e& > >DECnet phase IV and TCP/IP software > >o > >Disk shadowing software > * > You need to decide per-disk or per-node. > & > >DECnet phase IV and TCP/IP software > >s > >VT style keyboard > >o& > >power cord, 2.5 meter United States > >- > >3-button mouse  > >  > >17'' monitoru > I > You didn't specify a graphics card, but since you want a KB, mouse, andf  > monitor you probably need one.  1 Yeah, I figured that out from the feedback I got.>   > K > In my experience it's best to buy the monitor separately.  Any PC monitor  > will work.  E Yeah but it's more work.  Island 19'' monitor is cheap enough to makev it notC worth the trouble, I think.  The purchasing red-tape and all that. h One big quote is better for me..   > - > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orge@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:56:04 GMTD2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)% Subject: Re: Need quotes for a systemrL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1909032104470001@user-105n86e.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <ea44f5a1.0309191008.3d911fcb@posting.google.com>,m& tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) wrote:  0 >Can you still get DS10/466 systems new from HP? >k@ >So far, the only quote that I have is for a refurbished system. >o4 >I thought I saw a new system listed on the HP site.  J This question has come up several times lately.  I just (re)checked the HP2 Alphaserver web page, and the DS10 is still shown.  & http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/  H Are you able to talk to an above-room-temperature person at HP and get a# direct answer to the DS10 question?r  J Did you fill out the "buy online" form on the Alpha web page?  Did you get any response?  Was it helpful?  H Are you trying to buy a DS10 with OpenVMS?  If so, and if the rest of HPF seems to be in a coma, I suggest you email Mark Gorham and explain theJ problem.  Maybe he will have somebody in the VMS organization find and fixI the problem.  Or maybe they have run out of DS10s and forgot to take themn@ off the web page.  In either case, you deserve an answer and theH "official" HP communication mechanisms seem to have gone down the drain.  J If you can't order a DS10 now, I expect getting a DS15 in a few weeks willJ be just as hard.  I wonder what the excuse will be for that system.  "Sold$ Out" will be a difficult to believe.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2003 22:02:57 -0700% From: syncitium443@yahoo.com (steved) ' Subject: newbie multinet, wasd questione= Message-ID: <d1936a6b.0309192102.2900c616@posting.google.com>a   Hello,  7 I am a newcomer to VMS looking for some help with wasd.sK I have VMS 7.2 with multinet 4.4 running.  I was able to get wasd built anduI running, and all seemed fine until a reboot.  Since the reboot, trying tof1 start wasd with the DEMO command procedure gives:   1 %HTTPD-E-SOFTWAREID, HTTPd-WASD/8.3.1 OpenVMS/AXPs# -HTTPD-E-WHERE, module:NET line:355m -HTTPD-E-WHAT, end of file  A It seems that it is failing at a call to gethostname() in net.c. =A at DCL: show logical MULTINET_HOST_NAME gives the expected value, L but a simple C test of gethostname() fills the buffer with: "UCX$INET_HOST,"L which is not set, and I really don't expect it to be set as multinet is the  only TCP/IP stack installed.  = Can anyone help this newbie understand what is going on here?y   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2003 13:46:58 -0700- From: david.balazic@uni-mb.si (David Balazic)1' Subject: Re: Reimport VMS mail problemst= Message-ID: <2821c598.0309191246.2c5c3d4c@posting.google.com>t  \ carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<16SEP200318175699@gerg.tamu.edu>...[ > In article <3f675700$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> writes...s- > }>Why do you think he said that? He didn't.e > } ! > }Because I read his sentence:  a > } I > }>On OpenVMS V7.3-1, I extracted my mails ( EXTRACT/ALL myfile.txt ) to  > }>save disk space. > }-- L > }Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com >  > To which you replied:S > N > }Why do you think that extracting the mail and reimporting it will save disk	 > }space?_ >  > Which is not the same thing. > F > It is not what you said: extracting + reimporting = save disk space.> > It is instead: extracting and compressing = save disk space. > F > He extracted the mail and compressed the resulting text file to saveF > space. And it does save space. Probably more than 50%. There is onlyK > one assumption: that after extracting them to the text file the originals G > were deleted an the space reclaimed (the COMPRESS command in mail can I > be very nice to use after you have deleted a bunch of messages when youeJ > are short on disk space, or disk quota). This is a safe assumption sinceI > if they were not deleted he wouldn't need to import them to get at themn$ > since they would already be there. > 
 > --- Carl   Nice analysis, Carl :-)e  . To clear up any doubts, here is what happened.;  - I was running low on disk space ( disk quota, actually )l,  - I had a lot of mail messages ( over 200 )E  - so I extracted the messages to a file and then deleted them in thee MAIL utilityC    This already saved a lot of space, since the messages are stored = one message per file, and each file takes 64kb as that is the E allocation unit on the system ( and I used to laught at DOS users for1 their 8kb clusters ... ).oD  - then I compressed the file with the extracted files. This saved a few more blocks.  ? After that I had access again to my POP3 client, so I wanted to E reimport the messages into the mail system, so I could suck them over.E to the POP3 client ( mozilla-1.4 running on my win2000pro workstationt ).  E It seems that the import problem were not caused by gzip. I extractedeD again some messages and tried to re-import them right away and I got the same problem.sB I also tried to extract with the /MAIL qualifier ( which creates aE *.MAI file instead of *.txt ), but has the same problem. It seems the / VMS MAIL utility can not read its own files :-(n   Regards, Davidh   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:40:50 -0400h) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>iO Subject: Re: Search all Files for any Lines containing specific set of Strings. ) Message-ID: <3F6B3187.F98BFC3F@istop.com>o   James Faulk wrote:, > Files with one or more lines that contain:+ > -       All Strings specified in one liner2 > -       All Strings specified on separate lines. > Have tried SEARCH /MATCH withn$ > /AND, /EQV, /NOR, /NAND, /OR, /XORG > Example 1: SEARCH *.ada &#8220;string1&#8221;, &#8220;string2&#8221;,t > &#8220;string3&#8221;   > One way to do this is to write a command procedure which does:   $LOOP: $myfile = f$search("*.ada")h% $if myfile .eqs. "" then goto endloopv $!
 $valid = 04 $search 'myfile "&#8220;string1&#8221;"/output=nla0:" $if $status .eqs. 1 then valid = 1U $search 'myfile "&#8220;string2&#8221;",&#8220;string3&#8221; /match=AND/output=nla0:w" $if $status .eqs. 1 then valid = 1@ $if valid .eq. 1 then write sys$output myfile," is a valid file"
 $goto loop	 $endloop:j    M This allows you to do multiple searches on the file to determine if it shouldBM be treated or not, and also allows you to insert commands to edit the file ifs it needs editing etc.c    N In terms of the /MATCH qualifier, the documentation is fairly clear in that itN deals only at the record level. So if you need to search for 2 strings located0 anywhere in the file, you need to do 2 searches.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:58:40 GMTn+ From: see_my_sig@for.my.real.address (ozzy)4+ Subject: Re: source for 431 pin CPU socket?o5 Message-ID: <3f6f7791.29020391@news1.ns.sympatico.ca>b  F On 18 Sep 2003 09:38:12 -0500, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   >lH >   I have a bad CPU ZIF socket on my Alpha.  It's marked as "AMD 431", I >   a 431 pin socket.  Nobody around here carries them and I can't find as >   source on the internet.e >iF >   Does anyone know of a source for these things (does not have to beG >   ZIF)?  Does it happen to match some variety of Pentium that I couldw >   look for instead?i >y   You could try these places:s  + http://www.excess-solutions.com/SOCKETS.HTMn$ http://www.digikey.com/DigiHome.html http://www.meci.com/ http://www.mouser.com/ http://www.newark.com/0 http://www.theundergroundrr.com/cpu_sockets.html   Hope this helps. -- i. Contact me at phantomshroom(at)hotmail{dot}com/ to obtain my real email address. Spammers shot e
 on site :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:20:21 -0400B) From: JFmezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>eA Subject: Re: Verisign's destruction of DNS: anynews from ICANN ?]o) Message-ID: <3F6BE34B.32A6D542@istop.com>r  @ Subject: Re: Verisign's destruction of DNS: anynews from ICANN ?% Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:54:34 -0400e; From: George Kirikos <gkirikos@hotmail.DELETEFORNOSPAM.com>     ? http://www.iab.org/documents/docs/2003-09-20-dns-wildcards.html 7 http://www.icann.org/announcements/advisory-19sep03.htmi  I Our own petition site had to move, as it was seemingly Slashdotted. It's  ) now at: http://www.whois.sc/verisign-dns/   F The first 10K signatures were printed and sent to ICANN by FedEx, see:  = http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg00399.htmlw= http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg00400.htmlt  4 so hopefully everyone's outrage is having an impact.  
 Sincerely,   George Kirikos http://www.kirikos.com/l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:58:29 GMT-& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>! Subject: Re: VMS website updated.n8 Message-ID: <oddmmv8epe1v5449ian1g1k9kc9k25mdv9@4ax.com>  H On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:42:32 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote:nN >> >When I first got ISDN at home, I set the inactivity timer to hang up afterP >> >3 minutes. Unfortunately one day I left a Javascript enabled browser sittingO >> >on a site which displayed banner adverts. When I returned home that evening/H >> >I discovered I had been connected for a solid 12 hours. That cost me >> >unnecessary expenditure. > L >Self refreshing pages have also costed people their jobs because employers,N >not understanding the internet, thought that the employee spent hours playingN >on some web page when in fact his browser may have been in the background andI >he was doing real work. Yet their firewall logs, show constant activity.  >bO >Self refreshing pages can be done via the META tag in the top of the HTML codenO >(the whole page reloads). This can also be done with javascript for individualyL >ads or the whole page. And I would suspect that Flash objects (adverts) canC >also reload themselves when they are finished with their own loop.a >.N >Animated gifs doN't reload themselves (without javascript), they just consume >CPU on your desktop.e  % Er... watch those attributions there. 3 I didn't write that part about the ISDN connection.:   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.521 ************************