1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 21 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 524       Contents:0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?$ RE: Advanced Server software support: RE: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly? RE: How to order VMS licenses? Re: merging queue databases  Re: merging queue databases  Re: merging queue databases 0 Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ???? RE: Pathworks32 6 Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL6 Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL6 Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL  RE: The vultures are circulating Re: vax/vms cobol job? Re: vax/vms cobol job? vax/vms cobol job?@ what happens to mail delivery if a user's disk isn't accessible?D Re: what happens to mail delivery if a user's disk isn't accessible?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2003 06:13:43 -0700! From: tom@kednos.com (Tom Linden) 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? = Message-ID: <ef893e89.0309210513.6fb1bedd@posting.google.com>   ` Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in message news:<00A26246.39B34C99.16@tachysoft.com>... > > $ > >so what do you do with tcpip5.1 ? > >  > ; > Install MX and use that instead of the SMTP in the stack.  >   K I was looking at Hunter's site http://www.madgoat.com/mx042.html.  Does the T kit on the freeware 4.0 have those patches included or do they need to be installed?     > Q > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-SEP-2003 14:25:47.73  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node HARDY at  >  19-SEP-2003 14:25:29.98) # > Message from user SYSTEM on HARDY R > MX SMTP server: rejected message from <chamberlin@myvine.com> sent by [209.242.6N > 4.158] due to RFC822 header rule [*MS*Corporation*Technical*] [rule id 1773] >  > Q > =============================================================================== P > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com= > http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    Q > =============================================================================== P > Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:13:47 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? + Message-ID: <3F6CEDCB.782753A5@pacbell.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Don Sykes wrote: > > I > > As I've been complaining about recently, I can't even get the HP SMTP J > > service to check incoming messgaes for a valid user during the initialJ > > connection, which IIRC could be done in the 2nd step of the connection > > process! > P > If you are talking about HP.com's SMTP service, they have had fairly agressiveN > spam blocking in effect for some time (as well as Compaq before the merger).P > Many of us had had problems reaching a Digital employee within Compaq or HP at > one point or another.    Yet another effect of Spam.    > P > If you are talking about the Digital TCPIP Services for VMS, since 5.1 or 5.3,  0 Sorry. I should said HP TCPIP Services for VMS.   8 > it has had RBL capabilities to block much of the spam.  H That doesn't seem to help very much. I still get 100s of spams a day andH this method also requires my server to make yet another internet call toF the RBL service to find out if it's on their list. And remember that'sD AFTER the spam has taken n hops consuming valuable router cycles and
 bandwidth.   > J > The only valid information an SMTP server can have during reception of aJ > message is the IP address of the remote sender. All other information isL > unverifiable. Also, by the time the SMTP server has gone into DATA mode toP > accept the contents of the message, it MUST accept the message and then send aN > non-delivery notification if it decides that the contents ofthe message wereK > not acceptable. (note that RFC 822 headers are considered content at this  > stage of the transport).    E I think you missed my point. If RFC*** cannot implement a legitimate, G workable email service without this onslaught of crap than RFC*** needs D to be changed. We're talking about software here and one of the mostG elegant things about software is that it can be changed so easily. That G is not to say the changes wouldn't have great impact on other software. D What I'm suggesting IS drastic, but drastic problems require drastic	 measures.    > , > typically, a SMTP session would look like:
 > -----------  > HELO <chocolate.com>! > MAIL FROM: <chef@chocolate.com>  > RCPT TO: <elves@cookies.com>  : Yes. Right here I want say NO SUCH USER and drop the link.E And I don't care if chef@chocolate.com is valid or not. If he's valid E he'll most likely get the NO SUCH USER response. If he's fictional, I F don't want to waste another nanosecond on him. Even if he IS valid andE doesn't get the message because his ISP is down or something, I don't E want to bog down my SMTP service trying over and over to reach him to G tell him he used a bad address. If chef really wants to find out if the 0 elves got the message, he can request a receipt.     > DATA% > Received from: <received from text> * > From: "Chef Pierre" <chef@chocolate.com>+ > To: "My little elves" <elves@cookies.com> - > Subject: Chocolate coating for your cookies  > Date: 31 Feb 2005 22:35 EDT  > 
 > Dear Elves, M > It would be a great pleasure for me to supply you with the 3 tons of melted K > swiss chocolate to coat your cookies. We will use a Canadair CL-415 water O > tanker to do an aeral dump of the chocolate over your factory. Make sure your 5 > cookies are laid out on the roof by 16:00 tomorrow.  > .    Chef, D That will do fine. For your convience, we'll leave your check on the
 roof as well.   	 The Elves    > ---  > P > Most SMTP servers simply add a Received: line, regenerate the Reply-Path: lineM > (on top of headers, and is taken from the MAIL FROM:). Most will also check O > for a valid Date: line. However, for the remainder of ther RFC822 header, you M > cannot really check much. And in terms of checking the contents, it is very H > CPU intensive, especially if checking for viruses in attachements etc.S > (Consider that the RFC header is often updated AFTER the virus checking is done).   E Virus checking is problematic for a lot of reasons, but I wonder what C solutions the ISPs would come up with if THEY were held financially # responsible for transmitting them?     > I > Remember what the first letter of SMTP stands for. Remember that in its N > origins, it had to deal with very interesting adresses when you had uucp and4 > bitnet adresses that were gatewayed to SMTP email.  H You mean were using an outdated protocal that can't shed its old skin as it grows? - I'm shocked! :)    > F > The mail client only sees the RFC822 headers, it doesn't see the 821N > conversation between the two SMTP servers. But the receiving SMTP server canL > do a lot during that conversation to check validity of the message. It canL > check to see if the true IP address of the sending server maps to some DNSP > entry. If relaying is disabled, it will ensure that the RCPT TO: is within itsO > own domain. However, there isn't much one can do with the HELO and MAIL FROM: M > in terms of validation because there are many legal cases where the sending O > SMTP server was legally entrusted with mail coming from a different domain so P > the MAIL FROM: may not match the real domain name of the IP adress of the SMTPO > server sending this message. (consider UUNET which owns ozemail in australia. M > Some of the SMTP servers reverse map to a UUNET domain name even though the ) > mail from is an ozemail.com.au address.  > O > The RBL mechanisms work almost exclusively with the IP address of the sending N > SMTP server, the only trusted piece of information the receiving server getsJ > (it is obtained from the TCPIP stack during call establishement, and forK > responses to make it back to the sending SMTP, the IP must exist and have  > routes back to it).  > K > When you consider the number of intranets and NAT protected firewalls, it K > becomes even harder to start to impose rules on SMTP to ensure legitimate L > emails. My SMTP server thinks it is 10.0.0.10 but to the outside world, itP > appears as a true internet address. And in a multi-homed network, you may haveP > multiple domains attached to SMTP server, so you must allow people inside yourL > intranet to send to the outside with a From: that could be anyone of thoseN > domains that are multihomed to you. So the mail client may generate an emailG > from elves@cookies.com while the SMTP server may reverse translate to L > chocolate.com.  Will you block those emails even though they are perfectly > legitimate and not spam ?   E No. Assuming your multiple domains are all registered to you. If your H email showed up on my doorstep with a 10.0.0.10 in the senders address IG would expect to be able to translate that to chocolate.com. If I can't, = I would assume it's junk. The fact that the MAIL FROM: showed G elves@cookies.com would not concern me as much, but there needs to be a D method to insure that cookies.com users are authorized to send email from chocolate.com.    > N > Also, when you consider that not all of the world uses normal roman alphabetK > and that such languages usually encode their names so that when read on a O > ascii terminal, it looks like jibberish. Will you block all From: that appear  > as jibbererish ?  > If they want me to be able to read them, YES! It should be theH responsibility of the sender to insure the MAIL FROM: is readable by theE receiver in their language & alphabet. The rest of the message can be  encoded Greek.   --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:54:47 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? / Message-ID: <00A263AE.DAEBF728.7@tachysoft.com>    >>  < >> Install MX and use that instead of the SMTP in the stack. >>   > L >I was looking at Hunter's site http://www.madgoat.com/mx042.html.  Does theU >kit on the freeware 4.0 have those patches included or do they need to be installed?  >   H I think the patches refer to security issues rather than spam rejection.  M I don't think that MX 4.x has *any* spam filtering capabilities.  It's pretty I old, and I'm fairly sure all of the rejection stuff was added in 5.x.  Of M course, you can't get 5.x for free, but I think MX is worth it, especially if O you operate in an environment with multiple TCP stacks, or if you don't want to ( deal with the SMTP built into the stack.O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== N Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:33:11 GMT   From: CJT <cheljuba@prodigy.net>9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? * Message-ID: <3F6D5495.7040106@prodigy.net>   Paul Sture wrote:   W > In article <00A26247.76C62BCD@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > d >>In article <190920031422271174%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: >>H >>>In article <00A26240.78C93DF0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, < @SendSpamHere.ORG>	 >>>wrote:  >>>  >>> A >>>>It's probably some poor bastard that has been strapped with a G >>>>Micro$haft box and just wants the rest of the world to feel his/her 	 >>>>pain.  >>> K >>>The sad thing is that most Windows users don't realize they're in pain.  6 >>>They have no idea "it doesn't have to be this way". >>H >>Sadly true.  People using PeeCees seem to think that what they have toE >>endure and experience is some pandora-ian pox that plagues all OSs.  >> > P > Unfortunately that appears to be part of the sales model: make it sufficientlyN > painful to get things working, and hey presto, everone who gets through that$ > thinks they are a computer expert. >  <snip>  G A well known sales technique is to get the potential customer to invest H as much time as possible in the product (e.g. test drive, look under theF hood, kick the tires, run a benchmark, etc.).  There is then a naturalA inclination not to want to waste that investment, so an increased  likelihood of a sale.   E People who have withstood the initiation hazing they get from Windows  hate to throw that effort away.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:04:25 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> - Subject: RE: Advanced Server software support R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB0C7C46@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   =20  Tom,  ) Re: Software contract support questions..    What country are you in ?    Have you tried these url's: 6 http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=3DswlwelcomeJ http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm;jsessionid=3DaaaWeusb5JTeCnbhxqdp?pa= g  e=3Dcontacts   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20       -----Original Message-----@ From: Tom Simpson [mailto:thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net]=20! Sent: September 20, 2003 12:51 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   % Maybe someone could help me out here.   C This past week I have been trying to get a price on adding Advanced  ServerD 7.3 support to our software maintenance contract.  Unfortunately, HPF contract administration does not return phone calls.  The phone numberH on our maintenance invoice (770-343-7505) gets you a voice mail only, noE way to exit to an operator.  I've called several time over the last 5 D days and left at least 3 voice mail messages.  Yesterday morning, inF desperation, I went to the support web site and filled out the contactC request form I found there.  So far nothing.  Is it unreasonable to  expect a return phone call in 	 24 hours?    My questions are:   E 1. How do I contact the contracts administrator to make changes to my G hardware/software maintenance contract?  The contract administrators at 9 the number we were given do not return their phone calls.   A 2. Does anyone know approximately how much it costs for Pathworks 	 (Advanced C Server) product support?  The systems in question are a 2-node ES40  cluster.G We are currently running VMS 7.2-1.  We are upgrading to VMS 7.3-1 this  month.  D This is really crappy contract support!  Thank goodness our customerA engineers are a whole LOT more dependable than the folks that are ! supposed to be supporting them...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:26:28 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> C Subject: RE: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB0C7C4D@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Richard,  G Apologies for delay - just getting back from real work stuff and have a   few hundred emails to wade thru.  ! Re: Attunity and 2PC support ....    Not sure.=20  B Best to ask Attunity themselves. Drop me a note offline and I will forward some contact info.   Regards     
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   -----Original Message-----; From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com]=20  Sent: September 9, 2003 1:51 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   	 Hi Kerry,   / Do they support the IBM two-phase commit thingy  LU6.2something-level-something?    Regards Richard Maher   0 Main, Kerry <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in messageH news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB0C7BBB@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.ne t... Warren,   : As Craig mentioned, I would look into ISV's like Attunity.  
 Reference:, http://www.attunity.com/products/openvms.asp3 http://www.attunity.com/Products/AdapterCatalog.Asp    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom + (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)    -----Original Message-----; From: Warren Spencer [mailto:wspencer@ap.org.nospam.please]  Sent: September 8, 2003 5:36 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com    Hi,   G We're looking to alter one of our OpenVMS applications such that it can G have full access to a DB2 database located on another machine.  By full H access, I mean the usual insert/update/delete/select functions, and full  H distributed transaction support.  I'll also need a C pre-compiler (for C   programs with embedded SQL).  D IBM (pre-sales tech support) told me on the phone today they have noH client-side tools for OpenVMS.  Would anyone out there know if there are  + are 3rd party tools that could do this job?    Many thanks!   ws   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:18:03 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: How to order VMS licenses? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB0C7C47@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   =20  All,   Re: shadowing licenses etc -  > Reference the shadowing SPD (software product description) at:2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2729/SP2729PF.PDF   Other products SPD's are at:# http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/spd/   ? And for more general OpenVMS questions - the OpenVMS SPD is at: 2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2501/SP2501PF.PDF   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   -----Original Message-----* From: John Santos [mailto:JOHN@egh.com]=20! Sent: September 20, 2003 12:20 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com     On 18 Sep 2003, Tom Adams wrote:  1 > Does a base license allow 64 interactive logins   E Generally, the base license only allows you to log in at the console.    >=20- > What additional license do I need for that?   G As other responder said, OPENVMS-ALPHA-ADL, per user license, available F in most powers of 2 (1 user, 2 users, 4 users, ... 128 users, etc.) or- OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER, good for unlimited users.   H The price for ADL licenses goes down as you get more users, e.g. 32-userF license is cheaper than 16 2-users licenses (or at least that was trueF last time I priced them), and I think they are portable amoung all the systems you own.  F USER license price depends on the CPU power, and I don't think you can+ move them except by paying a migration fee.   G You have to look at your individual situation to determine what's best. A For example, for a given system, 100 users might be plenty, but a & 128-user license might be cheaper than= 64+32+4 licenses, so 128's a better deal.  On the other hand, C if you are thinking about getting a second system and splitting the E load, 2 64-unit licenses might be a better deal, since you could move D one of them to the 2nd system, instead of buying more user licenses. >=20+ > I want to form 2 disks into a shadow set.  >=20 > What do I need to get that?   F Shadowing software is part of VMS (System Integrated Product, or SIP),D so you just need a license to enable it.  No extra software to load.' Other posts have mentioned per disk vs. H unlimited licenses, and the SYSGEN parameter changes you need to make toF actually use it.  Read the fine Manuals.  They tell you everything you
 need to know.    -- John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:28:08 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: merging queue databases) Message-ID: <3F6CC64C.2DB71AEF@istop.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > Third, as one can see the stuff about queues is commented out.  I needE > to define QMAN$MASTER to point to the proper directory and move the  > files there.  On all 3 nodes.   9 DEFINE/SYSTEM QMAN$MASTER $DISKx:[sysY.syscommon.sysexe]"   1 (before you start the queue manager on a node :-)   K If 2 of teh 3 nodes already share the same queue manager databases, then it M would be simplest to simply point the 3rd node to that file and then recreate , the queues that reside only on the 3rd node.  4 eg: init/queue batch_3rdvax/on=3rdvax/batch/etcetera  L This will create the queue in the now common QMAN$MASTER databases. And that/ queue will be visibale/usable from all 3 nodes.   L Now, if the node on the 3rd vax has a lot of entries and or a lot of queues,N merging it with the other database may be tricky. However, I believe that someK folks have written some DCL to parse a queue to generate commands that will L resubmit the entries. This might help you once the queue is recreated in theL common database file, and you can then resubmit those entries to that queue.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 08:40:13 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)$ Subject: Re: merging queue databases$ Message-ID: <bkjo5d$cfu$1@online.de>  2 In article <3F6CC64C.2DB71AEF@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   J > > Third, as one can see the stuff about queues is commented out.  I needG > > to define QMAN$MASTER to point to the proper directory and move the ! > > files there.  On all 3 nodes.  > ; > DEFINE/SYSTEM QMAN$MASTER $DISKx:[sysY.syscommon.sysexe]"  > 3 > (before you start the queue manager on a node :-)   F Actually, I wanted to move it off a system disk.  Or are you saying I H should define the logical when it is still in the default location?  Or G should I first define it on node 3 to point to the default location on   node 1?   M > If 2 of teh 3 nodes already share the same queue manager databases, then it O > would be simplest to simply point the 3rd node to that file and then recreate . > the queues that reside only on the 3rd node.  E Actually, nodes 1 and 2 have their own databases and node 3 has none.   6 > eg: init/queue batch_3rdvax/on=3rdvax/batch/etcetera > N > This will create the queue in the now common QMAN$MASTER databases. And that1 > queue will be visibale/usable from all 3 nodes.  > N > Now, if the node on the 3rd vax has a lot of entries and or a lot of queues,4 > merging it with the other database may be tricky.   A Not an issue, since at the moment it has no queue manager at all.   F Actually, I have a lot of historical print queues which I could deleteG (which I plan to get rid of anyway) and UCX$ queues which also need to  F go.  Other than that, I just have one batch queue; I could delete and  recreate that.  E What worries me are two things.  First, all the TCPIP queues.  At the G moment, the two nodes with queues have a generic and an execution queue A for TCPIP.  When things are "properly clustered", should these be 	 merged?     D Second, the documentation talks about making sure system parameters G (SCSNODE, SCSSYSTEMID) correspond to DECnet node name and number.  Now, F I'm not running any DECnet AT ALL at the moment.  Do I need DECnet to G have proper "cluster queues"?  Or is it enough if the logical SYS$NODE   is appropriately defined?    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:30:05 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)$ Subject: Re: merging queue databases$ Message-ID: <bkjr2t$eup$1@online.de>  - Let me try to state the problem more briefly.   F Node 3 (VAX) has no queue manager at all.  Nodes 1 and 2 have a queue I manager, and everything is the default configuration.  Essentially, node  G 1 (ALPHA) has TCPIP queues and a batch queue and node 2 has just TCPIP   queues.     The TCPIP queues look like this:  ' Generic server queue TCPIP$SMTP_NODE_00 M   /GENERIC=(TCPIP$SMTP_NODE_01) /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)    /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)  F Server queue TCPIP$SMTP_NODE_01, idle, on NODE::, mounted form DEFAULT?   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) /OWNER=[SYSTEM] >   /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$SMTP_SYMBIONT /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)  H What I want is one queue manager for all three nodes with all the files  on a non-system disk.   B It might be easier to just delete everything, define the logicals I appropriately, and start over, re-creating the queues I need, as opposed  G to merging the two databases I already have (I don't even know if this  
 is possible).   E My question: on such a "fully clustered" system, what should the SMTP H queues look like?  Should they continue to look like they do above, i.e.F a generic queue and an execution queue ON EACH NODE, named as they are: above?  (In other words, TCPIP queues would continue to be node-specific.)   F Would it be better to recreate the queues by hand, or should I re-run 
 TCPIP$CONFIG?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:01:58 -0500 / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com> 9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyyest - free to join or not ???? 8 Message-ID: <fmhrmvkefofg8mtkof9mkcn2ugrspoddmk@4ax.com>  R A condition of the OpenVMS organization was that there be no charge for access to Y the Hobbyist program - just an affiliation of the user of the licenses with a user group.   L One of the reasons that Encompass US offers the concept of an "internationalR associate" is to make sure that people worldwide have free access to this program,O whether or not they have a local user group, or one that has a free membership.   H You should receive email from Encompass when you sign up as an associateP within about a week or so.  After that, it may take another week or 2 before theD membership number propogates to the folks administering the hobbyist program.   Later, Clay Denton  Director Encompass US  U On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:17:13 +0100, "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> wrote:    >Graham Burley wrote:  >>   >> Dr. David Kirkby wrote: >> >D >> > I just thought I'd say I was able to get a DECUS ID number from >> > Encompass in the USA  >> >4 >> > http://www.encompassus.org/membership/join.html >> > >> > for zero cost.  >> >K >> > That seems somewhat better value than paying the 52.88 (~ $88) to get  >> > it from >> >D >> > http://www.hp-interex.org/site/shop/shopsublistnonmem.asp?id=91 >> > >> > in the UK.  >> > >>  C >> I really don't understand what the UK HPUG are on about. They're D >> advertising 6 types of membership this year, only 3 with HobbyistA >> entitlement. The Hobbyist License membership is qualified with @ >> "one renewal only", and costs more than subscription to their> >> technical journal. I hope this means that they are making a2 >> generous contribution to the folks at Montagar. > E >I had quite a lengthy email from someone who is a member of the HPUG F >Interim Board, which was copied to the co-chairman of the user group.F >Apparently hobbyist membership used to be free in the UK too. It said? >that due to various changes that happened and various problems F >associated with getting funding from sponsors (including Digital), it@ >became necessary to charge for membership. He said that withoutD >charging, there could be no usergroup and hence no OpenVMS HobbyistB >Scheme. It was also stated that it actually requires just as muchF >administration at the time of renewal as any other membership grade.  > G >Whatever the case, I'm certainly not going to join the UK HPUG, when I I >can get what I want (i.e. the DECUS number) for nothing from the USA via G >Encompass. I've not compared the pros/cons of Encompass vs. UK HPUG as I >regards to other benefits, but for what I personally want (which is just 7 >the number), it makes no sense to get it from the UK.   >  >  >> > Dr. David Kirkby, >> > Senior Research Fellow,# >> > Department of Medical Physics,  >> > University College London,  >>  I >> Ah! You might well find VMS media easier than you think - someone from 7 >> UCL Mech Eng posts to comp.os.vms from time to time.  > B >Cheers, when I get some disks sorted out I'll probably looking atI >contacting them. I've been looking on eBay UK to buy some disks, but the G >prices seem silly. There was a ultra-modern U320 144 Gb SCSI disk that H >sold for about 137 pounds a few days back, yet 18 Gb disks are fetchingB >thirty odd pounds for a semi-modern 1" high ones. I actually needH >several disks - two for the Alpha, another for a Sun and perhaps one orI >two more for my HP or RS/6000. I might try asking around to see if I can I >find someone who has several, as I don't want to pay postage on each and H >every disk, which makes the smaller disks very unattractively priced. IH >might just buy two large disks (144 Gb each) put them in my Sun and I'dI >have a load of smaller disks (1 x 73, 3 x 36) to move to other machines. F >I have my external disks in Sun 611 boxes, which don't do a very goodH >job of cooling the things, so I'd like to move the disks inside the SunD >where they get better cooling. Once I get this all sorted out, I'll >install OpenVMS!  > 	 >> Graham    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:08:14 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: Pathworks32R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB0C7C4B@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>    Gerrie,  C Not sure is it is available online, but the Pathworks32 Cdrom media  client V7.3 p/n is:  AG-R36UF-BE    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   -----Original Message-----' From: gerrie [mailto:gwiedijk@hr.nl]=20   Sent: September 10, 2003 7:11 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   > Is there someone here that can provide me with a (copy of) theG Pathworks32 client CD version 7.3, as i want to use this in combination D with my Windows XP computer/Advanced Server for Alpha. I do have the. license but i can't find the product anywhere. Thanks in advance  Gerrie Wiedijk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:31:38 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>? Subject: Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL ) Message-ID: <3F6CC71E.5D64AF2E@istop.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > ? > Each user has SYS$SCRATCH defined as DISK$SCRATCH:[USERNAME].   I > However, from one account I don't.  The file IS written to disk and the @ > message is sent, though.  Output of SHOW TERMINAL is the same.    O User has redefined SYS$SCRATCH in his sys$login to point to something elswhere. A Has the user changed his mail profile to use a different editor ?   I While the user is editing the mail message, can you do a directory to see ! where the file has been created ?   M Another thing you may try is to set the default protection for that user such K that he doesn't have delete access to a file. When MAIL tries to delete the M temporary file, it will generate an alarm and you will see exactly where that  file was located.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 08:42:05 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)? Subject: Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL $ Message-ID: <bkjo8t$cfu$2@online.de>  2 In article <3F6CC71E.5D64AF2E@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   A > > Each user has SYS$SCRATCH defined as DISK$SCRATCH:[USERNAME].  > K > > However, from one account I don't.  The file IS written to disk and the B > > message is sent, though.  Output of SHOW TERMINAL is the same. > G > User has redefined SYS$SCRATCH in his sys$login to point to something  > elswhere.    No.   C > Has the user changed his mail profile to use a different editor ?   G No.  With DIR one can see the file in SYS$SCRATCH.  What puzzles me is  5 just the message on the screen when exiting from EDT.   K > While the user is editing the mail message, can you do a directory to see # > where the file has been created ?    Yes, see above.   O > Another thing you may try is to set the default protection for that user suchOM > that he doesn't have delete access to a file. When MAIL tries to delete thesO > temporary file, it will generate an alarm and you will see exactly where that? > file was located.s  D The file is where it should be; what puzzles me is why with the one B account EDT doesn't write the name of the file to the screen when  exiting.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:34:48 +0000 (UTC)aP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)? Subject: Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAILn$ Message-ID: <bkjrbn$eup$3@online.de>  ) Outside of MAIL, EDT behaves as expected:e      *ex)    DISK$SCRATCH:[USERNAME]X.TMP;1 2 linesi    s    $ A   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:46:56 -0400o' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>s) Subject: RE: The vultures are circulatingcR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB0C7C4E@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   =20- Andrew -  F The Sector7 folks live-n-breathe on change. If everyone was happy with7 their current OS vendor, they would be out of business.:  H They are well known internally to HP (and I leave it to you to determine  whether this is good or bad) :-)  H In the past, they have often tried to convince OpenVMS Customers to moveF to one of the older UNIX OS architectures. However, as I recall, their? focus these days is typically AIX as the main target platform -s? including migrating Solaris to AIX as the following highlights:o  H http://www.sector7.com/ibm/ (so how independent do you think these folks	 are now?)y0 http://www.sector7.com/ibm/aix_solaris/index.htm   Regards2  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantf HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-46602 Fax: 613-591-4477r Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomS. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   -----Original Message-----' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyo1 [mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com]=20=  Sent: September 8, 2003 11:58 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com=   Wayne Sewell wrote: E >>Just received this SPAM from sector7 under the title "Reduce TCO=20m6 >>through server consolidation and platform migration"  H > I've always hated this company, since their whole reason for existance  G > is to get people off vms so that they can sell their conversion shit.   G > The fact that the customer's site is now fucked up with eunuchs or=20e: > billy shit is of no conern because they got their money. >=20  F Perhaps you should voice this complaint to HP rather than Sector 7 who HP endorse.5  1 http://h18009.www1.hp.com/fortran/visual/faq.htmlr? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/cobol/DEC_COBOL_RN_V27.htme7 http://h18009.www1.hp.com/fortran/visual/companion.htmla  D All refer to Sector 7 specifically for their tools that allow you to( migrate from OpenVMS to other platforms.  H They even give you an alternative of Accelr8 as well if you don't want a single source of supply.    J > Anybody with two brain cells to rub together can figure out that they=20H > have a hidden agenda for saying this shit.  Unfortunately, there are a  5 > lot of people in the industry with brain cells < 2.   F So where are you now with your comments about people and brain cells ?   Regards1 Andrew Harrison.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 06:07:26 +0000 (UTC)o! From: Bagbourne <noway@noway.com>t Subject: Re: vax/vms cobol job?g( Message-ID: <3F6D42B3.5060806@noway.com>   tutor@nospam.cfl.rr.com wrote:H > 20 years vax vms cobol. would like to continue the streak. anyone know% > of an installation using the beast?h  $ How close are you to retirement? :-(   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:18:36 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> Subject: Re: vax/vms cobol job?d. Message-ID: <3F6D7AFC.13772.78B2735@localhost>    > tutor@nospam.cfl.rr.com wrote:J > > 20 years vax vms cobol. would like to continue the streak. anyone know' > > of an installation using the beast?e  D Verizon, located here in Columbus, Ohio.  Not hiring at the moment,  so I hear...  
 --Stan Quayle2 Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671F1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147l= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comb   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:09:34 GMT  From: tutor@nospam.cfl.rr.comt Subject: vax/vms cobol job?a8 Message-ID: <kh5qmv8ol55kbtlkcr6hcad160j2k0ieta@4ax.com>  F 20 years vax vms cobol. would like to continue the streak. anyone know# of an installation using the beast?y   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:31:55 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)I Subject: what happens to mail delivery if a user's disk isn't accessible?o$ Message-ID: <bkjr6b$eup$2@online.de>  G If the disk where a user's mail files reside is not accessible, and an  E email comes in for him, what will happen to it?  Will it stay in the dI queue and get delivered when the disk is available again, or will it get aH rejected, or will it fail silently?  Any difference between local mail, 3 DECnet mail and SMTP mail (with HP TCPIP Services)?i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:07:04 -0400A* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>M Subject: Re: what happens to mail delivery if a user's disk isn't accessible?s) Message-ID: <3F6DDAB6.ED76650C@istop.com>u  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:e > H > If the disk where a user's mail files reside is not accessible, and an1 > email comes in for him, what will happen to it?s  I For VMSmail, the sender will be notified right away because with VMSmail,hM delivery is "real time". I *assume* that the error message will come out whenbL you are finished composing message, as opposed to be issued when you type in
 the username.h  K For SMTP, I strongly suspect that the SMTP software, seing that the messagepG cannot be delivered, will issue a non-delivery notification back to theaN sender. The sending SMTP server will have succesfully delivered the message toK the VMS receiving SMTP server, it is only later that the SMTP processor (ina# the queue) will notice the problem.i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.524 ************************