1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 22 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 526       Contents:+ Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch 0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?? Re: Adding a W2003 server to a Pathworks Advanced server domain $ Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster' Re: how to add a printer (HP laser jet)  Re: How to order VMS licenses?- Re: How to use shareable image to share data?  Re: HP hardware "support"  Re: HP hardware "support" 3 Re: HP Spends $750MM advertising Windows & printers   Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005  Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005  Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005 License requirements for ES47  Re: merging queue databases  Re: merging queue databases  Re: merging queue databases  Re: merging queue databases  Re: merging queue databases  Re: merging queue databases  Re: merging queue databases  Re: Need quotes for a system% ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer ) Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer ) Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer 4 Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris4 Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris- Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers  P.C. Market share  Re: P.C. Market share  Re: P.C. Market share P Re: Positive words about HP, Marvel, and the RetainTrust program from Clipper Gr7 Re: Preserving decwindows session through disconnection @ Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?' Re: Remove satellite node from cluster? " Re: source for 431 pin CPU socket?6 Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL6 Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL* TCPIP:DNS Dual interfaces and domain namesP Re: The Inquirer:  "If VMS is your religion, here is a chance to work with  God.P The Inquirer:  "If VMS is your religion, here is a chance to work with God." God  Re: The vultures are circulatingP Re: There is no Joy in Sunville -- mighty Billy has struck out [on his own] his & Trying to figure out license transfers* Re: Trying to figure out license transfers Re: vax/vms cobol job? Re: VMS not immune9 VMS on a simh VAX simulator, how do I get TCP/IP to work? = Re: VMS on a simh VAX simulator, how do I get TCP/IP to work? 4 We can stop these SPAMS by blocking all the SPAMBOTs8 Re: We can stop these SPAMS by blocking all the SPAMBOTs4 Re: [Q]Determine is a pointer Quad word aligned in C1 [SURVEY] Obsolete off the shelf VAX/VMS products?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:49:58 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch0 Message-ID: <bkmk4n$g9c$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JFmezei wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > @ >>The real point is that my origional statement was correct. The? >>notebook market is a sub species of the PC market. HP's share A >>of the PC market as a whole has declined and HP have lost their # >>Number 1 position in that market.  >  >  > However, isn't it true that: > A > 1- notebooks have higher margins than large boxed wintel crap ?   6 Don't know but HP's PC businesses margins have fallen.  C > 2- notebooks are becoming more and more popular as a primary PC ?  >   
 ApparentlyP > If the above 2 are correct, then a rise in notebook sales and decline in boxedO > PCs might be a good thing. Lets say Dell didn't have any notebooks but HP had L > some. If the market was going to be more notebooks than conventional boxedN > PCs, and Dell didn't have notebooks, then HP would end up rising back to #1. >   > This is apparently what is happening now and it doesn't appearA to be a good thing for HP since their margins are falling despite = apparently selling more apparently higher margin notebooks in # proportion to their total revenues.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:21:29 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? ) Message-ID: <3F6E94D5.D6D166F8@istop.com>   N On the DEC TCPIP Services 5.3, there is the ability to block based on the MAILV FROM information: (this is different from the From: line in the RFC822 header however)  + 17.6.7 Blocking Mail from Specified Senders I You configure SMTP to reject mail based on the address of the sender. The K senders address is specified in the MAIL FROM command. (The terms sender F address and MAIL FROM address are synonymous.) To specify senderN addresses from whom mail will always be rejected, include the Reject-Mail-From list in the SMTP.CONFIG file. O The Reject-Mail-From list includes wildcarded patterns that are checked against K the sender address. If the SMTP server matches the sender address against a K pattern in the Reject-Mail_From list, the MAIL FROM command is rejected and O the link is disconnected. Wildcarded patterns may include the standard asterisk - (*) and percent sign (%) wildcard characters.  For example:< Reject-Mail-From: *.xyz.com, known.spammer@*, *the_internet*   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:30:23 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? ) Message-ID: <bkkn7f$2uj$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   U In article <3F6CABF0.BAD2DD4C@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:  > F >As I've been complaining about recently, I can't even get the HP SMTPG >service to check incoming messgaes for a valid user during the initial G >connection, which IIRC could be done in the 2nd step of the connection 	 >process!  > B What do you mean by a valid user ? How can you check it is valid ?K Even before verisign's idiocy checking that the sender's domain existed was O extremely error prone because of the large number of misconfigured mail systems 	 and DNSs. I The other check which people used was an ident check - but again this was J pretty useless - either the information was incorrect or the sender wasn't running an ident daemon.  G >This most recent onslaught of crap is just another example of what the ? >problem REALLY is - i.e. no check points along the email path.   H You would need to totally redesign TCPIP and SMTP with security in mind.G To make it really work would probably involve mandatory digital signing  of all mail.     > In theE >current SMTP model the only one who even has an opportunity to block , >spam & assc viruses is the end receipient.   K You can block viruses at the mailhub level the problem is what you then do. E Do you send the sender a message to let them know they are infected ? : Do you clean the message and deliver it to the recipient ? Do you delete the message ?   O With the latest viruses which are prolific, contain nothing of value and forge  K the from address I'd argue the only sensible thing to do is to delete them. 2 However that may be illegal in some jurisdictions.  J Spam is a worse problem. Unfortunately one persons Spam is another persons important mail message.    For example     * Mailhub receives a mail message for a user  ! Message contains phrases such as     You have won   Million Pounds   Please respond    ' Typical spam right ?  So you delete it.   K What you don't know is this user has been gambling on say lottery.co.uk and ' has just won their Million pound prize.   M Are they going to be happy when they find out the mailhub deleted that mail - J especially if there is a time limit as to when they can claim there prize.  I The best a central mailhub can do is either deliver the mail marked up in M someway to say it looks like spam or quarantine it and let the user know they I can release it otherwise it will be automatically deleted after a certain  period.   O The end user is the only one who can determine that any particular mail is SPAM  as far as they are concerned.      >This means that even if youG >have a "good filter" on your email reader and don't ever "see" the bad E >emails, an enormous amount of bandwidth is taken up on the internet, F >because each piece of crap sent out gets the same treatment all alongH >the way to the destination user. Only then do we get a chance to ignoreH >it. So who's at fault? Our own industry for embracing tcpip/smtp as theH >holly grail in its original form - i.e. no forced checkpoints. As I seeH >it any ISP that is authorized to hand out an IP address s/b responsibleG >for its misuse. They should at minimum be required to check the source E >of all email to be sure it's valid and has not been spoofed. Further C >each of the ISP's customers should have to register an approximate G >number of emails they will be sending out in any one day. Then if they D >grossly exceeded that, the initial ISP router should reject furtherD >emails and immediately inform their customer of the action. Any ISPF >failing to do this should have their IP addresses revoked or put on aD >lookaside list of all legit routers and not route emails from them. > A >Granted this is a half-baked idea at this point, but if WE, as a G >community, are ever going to stop this madness, we're going to have to G >come up with a technical solution at a fundamental, routing level; not C >just add more and different filters for the end user to implement.  >   J For this too work it would have to be applied to every source of smtp mailN worldwide - it's just not going to happen. Despite blacklists there are still 2 tons and tons of open-relays for a spammer to use.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >  >--  >  >Have VMS, Will Travel >Wire paladin, San Francisco >  >(paladinATalphaseDOTcom)  >  >  >Paul Sture wrote: >>  9 >> More spams. Is this another virus / worm on the loose?  >>  R >> Since 13:44 CET yesterday I have received some 114 spam messages (oops, another& >> one just came in) in this  account. >>  M >> Normally I just get 3 or 4 per day. Spam filters are in place and the last L >> time they were adjusted was for the last round of email attacks - SoBig.F >>  M >> I don't have time to analyze the contents of any at the moment, but here's ! >> a summary for the rest of you:  >>  	 >> $ mail  >>   >> You have 112 new messages.  >>   >> MAIL> dirS >>                                                                          NEWMAIL 2 >>     # From                 Date         Subject >>  > >>     1 MX%"rcfgam-svmrgrq@n 18-SEP-2003  new microsoft patch; >>     2 MX%"amailprogram@roc 18-SEP-2003  Returned Message A >>     3 MX%"eknlmalraq_57934 18-SEP-2003  Network Security Pack. J >>     4 MX%"rob@mirr.demon.n 18-SEP-2003  Newest Microsoft Critical Patch: >>     5 MX%"qmailengine@amer 18-SEP-2003  failure message? >>     6 MX%"smtpautomat@yaho 18-SEP-2003  Failure Announcement F >>     7 MX%"kuraokmiignvzm@n 18-SEP-2003  New Internet Critical PatchN >>     8 MX%"checkme2003@yaho 18-SEP-2003  Absolutely FREE!!! Time:12:38:55 PMB >>     9 MX%"tixqspiniqtek_fm 18-SEP-2003  Latest Internet Upgrade) >>    10 MX%"tlgthochrtra-nzb 18-SEP-2003 9 >>    11 MX%"cmailprogram@yah 18-SEP-2003  Failure Letter 7 >>    12 MX%"kmailengine@aol. 18-SEP-2003  Abort Advice G >>    13 MX%"yqhmxezrgggdvci@ 18-SEP-2003  new microsoft critical patch 8 >>    14 MX%"conch49@bellsout 18-SEP-2003  Latest Update7 >>    15 MX%"mailerrobot@free 18-SEP-2003  abort advice K >>    16 MX%"mailroutine@bigf 18-SEP-2003  Undelivered Message User unknown 8 >>    17 MX%"MAILER-DAEMON@bo 18-SEP-2003  Virus warning >> Press RETURN for more...  >>   >> MAIL>S >>                                                                          NEWMAIL 2 >>     # From                 Date         Subject >>  8 >>    18 MX%"MAILER-DAEMON@bo 18-SEP-2003  Virus warning> >>    19 MX%"srwmuivjriglae@f 18-SEP-2003  Net Critical Update2 >>    20 MX%"emailbot@aol.com 18-SEP-2003  Message; >>    21 MX%"xnfirkakou@newsl 18-SEP-2003  newest net patch A >>    22 MX%"gbivjcjvmebyoz-o 18-SEP-2003  Current Security Patch C >>    23 MX%"masterdaemon@fre 18-SEP-2003  Mail: Returned To Sender K >>    24 MX%"jfdpecdd-zqoklwg 18-SEP-2003  Newest Internet Security Upgrade + >>    25 ***     valid message here     *** ? >>    26 MX%"postservice@micr 18-SEP-2003  Failure Announcement 8 >>    27 MX%"mcbroom5@teluspl 19-SEP-2003  Abort Message? >>    28 MX%"spdtydmvqwdcrkx@ 19-SEP-2003  New Security Upgrade ; >>    29 MX%"quceoiuevmhfnm-l 19-SEP-2003  Latest Net Patch : >>    30 MX%"mimi-6@comcast.n 19-SEP-2003  Internet Update5 >>    31 MX%"emailprogram@roc 19-SEP-2003  Bug Notice S >>    32 MX%"Antivirus-Daemon 19-SEP-2003  Recipient Virus-alert (sender: wibi@sybe A >>    33 MX%"tpbjvsxt-psvzeyw 19-SEP-2003  Latest Network Upgrade S >>    34 MX%"mailerservice@ro 19-SEP-2003  Undeliverable Message: Returned To Maile  >> Press RETURN for more...  >>   >> MAIL>S >>                                                                          NEWMAIL 2 >>     # From                 Date         Subject >>  A >>    35 MX%"wvzaampltzt@tech 19-SEP-2003  Newest Internet Update K >>    36 MX%"sjolmws_mmsfa@yy 19-SEP-2003  Current Internet Security Update @ >>    37 MX%"aeskfojazs@advis 19-SEP-2003  Latest Internet Patch1 >>    38 MX%"amaildaemon@amer 19-SEP-2003  Report < >>    39 MX%"fqaxksowjxe_cxri 19-SEP-2003  New Security Pack1 >>    40 MX%"dennismonk@adalp 19-SEP-2003  advice ? >>    41 MX%"vrcxctaxxskau@co 19-SEP-2003  Last Security Update I >>    42 MX%"jsjssekggesmh@up 19-SEP-2003  Newest Microsoft Critical Pack R >>    43 MX%"masterbot@yahoo. 19-SEP-2003  Undelivered Message: Returned To MailerQ >>    44 MX%"webroutine@rocke 19-SEP-2003  Undeliverable Mail: Returned To Sender 7 >>    45 MX%"zmailautomat@mic 19-SEP-2003  Announcement F >>    46 MX%"fdjiybui@bulleti 19-SEP-2003  New Internet Critical PatchO >>    47 MX%"postdaemon@micro 19-SEP-2003  Undelivered Mail: Returned To Sender F >>    48 MX%"vfdujxlayoougai_ 19-SEP-2003  Last Internet Critical PackG >>    49 MX%"tmdyvsf@newslett 19-SEP-2003  last microsoft critical pack H >>    50 MX%"mailerform@purem 19-SEP-2003  Returned Message User unknownI >>    51 MX%"noinjbqxfomyiz_h 19-SEP-2003  Last Internet Security Upgrade  >> Press RETURN for more...  >>   >> MAIL>S >>                                                                          NEWMAIL 2 >>     # From                 Date         Subject >>  5 >>    52 MX%"emailprogram@aol 19-SEP-2003  Bug Notice > >>    53 MX%"ccumfrmlhsvezne_ 19-SEP-2003  Net Security UpdateD >>    54 MX%"xvhehc@newslette 19-SEP-2003  Internet Critical Upgrade5 >>    55 MX%"webform@yahoo.co 19-SEP-2003  Bug Notice L >>    56 MX%"lnlhqdqvk-nncvtq 19-SEP-2003  Latest Microsoft Critical Upgrade@ >>    57 MX%"pvlqyz@confidenc 19-SEP-2003  Latest Network Update) >>    58 MX%"emailautomat@roc 19-SEP-2003 H >>    59 MX%"ktztcmnppffyjhz@ 19-SEP-2003  Newest Internet Critical Pack2 >>    60 MX%"postdaemon@purem 19-SEP-2003  messageI >>    61 MX%"vjjnawljmkk-avqm 19-SEP-2003  Latest Network Security Update 1 >>    62 MX%"mailservice@rock 19-SEP-2003  notice 2 >>    63 MX%"MAILER-DAEMON@cn 19-SEP-2003  messageJ >>    64 MX%"hqjgmmna@updates 19-SEP-2003  Last Microsoft Security Upgrade@ >>    65 MX%"webautomat@ameri 19-SEP-2003  Message: User unknownB >>    66 MX%"jfzaopfimsuj-qfl 19-SEP-2003  New Net Critical UpdateI >>    67 MX%"azncwgoj_osqtv@u 19-SEP-2003  Latest Network Security Update B >>    68 MX%"zmmcclfkfqvande- 19-SEP-2003  Latest Internet Upgrade >> Press RETURN for more...  >>   >> MAIL>S >>                                                                          NEWMAIL 2 >>     # From                 Date         Subject >>  9 >>    69 MX%"mailprogram@bigf 19-SEP-2003  Failure Notice A >>    70 MX%"vkckdghoseko@new 19-SEP-2003  Internet Critical Pack ) >>    71 MX%"smtpautomat@netm 19-SEP-2003 J >>    72 MX%"twestzrshxsl_qbb 19-SEP-2003  Latest Internet Critical Update5 >>    73 MX%"eagabohf_wvopm@n 19-SEP-2003  New Update R >>    74 MX%"emailform@netmai 19-SEP-2003  Undelivered Message: Returned To Sender7 >>    75 MX%"fdwetxnrikiatn_z 19-SEP-2003  Last Upgrade 8 >>    76 MX%"webprogram@freem 19-SEP-2003  error messageA >>    77 MX%"owypdvkvddffd_hp 19-SEP-2003  Latest Critical Update 8 >>    78 MX%"mailerengine@aol 19-SEP-2003  Error MessageK >>    79 MX%"shposik@wpube.co 19-SEP-2003  latest microsoft critical update ? >>    80 MX%"gdadlgc_lhvwztzr 19-SEP-2003  Latest Internet Pack 9 >>    81 MX%"masterrobot@free 19-SEP-2003  failure advice 1 >>    82 MX%"mailerdaemon@aol 19-SEP-2003  Notice ) >>    83 MX%"vyqlltijy@newsle 19-SEP-2003 7 >>    84 MX%"vapxjfszdo@suppo 19-SEP-2003  Latest Patch I >>    85 MX%"mwoxbkemhk@updat 19-SEP-2003  Newest Microsoft Critical Pack  >> Press RETURN for more...  >>   >> MAIL>S >>                                                                          NEWMAIL 2 >>     # From                 Date         Subject >>  ; >>    86 MX%"postdaemon@ameri 19-SEP-2003  returned message 7 >>    87 MX%"postrobot@rocket 19-SEP-2003  Error Letter : >>    88 MX%"qfhormtdlsqfku@t 19-SEP-2003  Network Upgrade/ >>    89 MX%"bjugiww@bulletin 19-SEP-2003  Pack I >>    90 MX%"haashk@netvigato 19-SEP-2003  Undelivered Mail: User unknown A >>    91 MX%"mcnjbhpc-oafi@bu 19-SEP-2003  Current Security Patch ) >>    92 MX%"webbot@america.c 19-SEP-2003 > >>    93 MX%"qdgonoc-rgrb@new 19-SEP-2003  New Microsoft PatchG >>    94 MX%"cpuguqqidnjvg_or 19-SEP-2003  New Internet Security Update A >>    95 MX%"fnzusou_cvnhcso@ 19-SEP-2003  New Net Security Patch 6 >>    96 MX%"postdaemon@yahoo 19-SEP-2003  bug message5 >>    97 MX%"bmailrobot@ameri 19-SEP-2003  Bug Report @ >>    98 MX%"pxrjnr_lgmzyg@bu 19-SEP-2003  Last Microsoft Update9 >>    99 MX%"reoyqoj_gcrutohu 19-SEP-2003  Security Patch 5 >>   100 MX%"webautomat@rocke 19-SEP-2003  Bug Advice D >>   101 MX%"xovfjaqjm_opjtif 19-SEP-2003  Latest Net Security Patch7 >>   102 MX%"mailerengine@fre 19-SEP-2003  Announcement  >> Press RETURN for more...  >>   >> MAIL>S >>                                                                          NEWMAIL 2 >>     # From                 Date         Subject >>  K >>   103 MX%"mplrco-tmmppz@co 19-SEP-2003  Current Microsoft Critical Patch 1 >>   104 MX%"mailerprogram@am 19-SEP-2003  Notice F >>   105 MX%"eqokxhwcarcj@new 19-SEP-2003  New Network Security UpdateR >>   106 MX%"mailbot@yahoo.co 19-SEP-2003  Undelivered Message: Returned To Sender; >>   107 MX%"imdupgds_bbsvdrl 19-SEP-2003  Latest Net Patch C >>   108 MX%"mailservice@yaho 19-SEP-2003  Mail: Returned To Sender B >>   109 MX%"ekjlwjephctmtx_h 19-SEP-2003  new net critical updateF >>   110 MX%"szjdrqhozxmy-lhc 19-SEP-2003  last internet critical pack7 >>   111 MX%"smtprobot@freema 19-SEP-2003  error notice N >>   112 MX%"maildaemon@netma 19-SEP-2003  Undeliverable Message: User unknown >>   >> MAIL> >>   >> And another just arrived. >>  J >> Now, these appear to be junk addresses, but allegedly coming from validN >> domains - msn.com, msn.net, yahoo.com, microsoft.com, support.com and other >> well known ones.  >>  G >> 99% seem to be coming from .net and .com addresses, so I also wonder ? >> whether this could be a side effect of the VeriSign change - ? >> reverse lookups and RBLs not functioning properly anymore ??  >>  J >> Meanwhile on checking another email account, I see my spam filter thereF >> caught one entitled "PayPal Account Security Measures". This one isE >> inviting me to verify my account details. Nope. Not going there...  >>  I >> And they are still rolling in by the minute. Definitely not a good day 
 >> for email.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:34:18 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <bkmj7b$fv3$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Dr. David Kirkby wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > W >>In article <dZLFASE9Oxar@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:  >>9 >>>More spams. Is this another virus / worm on the loose?  >>> R >>>Since 13:44 CET yesterday I have received some 114 spam messages (oops, another& >>>one just came in) in this  account. >>7 >>Sorry, those executables are not compatible with VMS.  >>J >>You better hurry up and buy a Microsoft machine, because from the volumeK >>of those messages it would appear that enormous numbers of the _existing_ I >>Microsoft users are already ahead of you, getting the benefits ahead of  >>you. >  > F > Well I don't use VMS, but are contemplating it. But neither do I useB > Microsoft's so-called operating systems. However, this is reallyJ > screwing up my Solaris machine. I only have a 56 k modem and despite theC > fact the Sun runs 24/7, the modem is unable to download the stuff J > sufficiently fast to stop my mailbox filling up. I need to find a way toI > delete the files on the server without downloading them. Spam filtering J > is effective at dumping them to /dev/null (UNIX language), but it is not > preventing me hell.  > E > However, I am glad I'm not the only one. I thought this was quite a 8 > personal thing aimed at me, but appears not to be so.  >    Its widespread.   ; Our virus filter is catching them but currently its sending : me a notification that is has screened the offending email9 out which is almost as annoying as the Virus itself which = has no effect on our desktops because they don't run Windows.   : The automatic message filters in Mozilla are quite usefull% to remove the offending mails though.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:36:43 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <bkmjbr$fv3$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   VAXman- wrote:_ > In article <6xGab.2087$L72.98401@news2.telusplanet.net>, Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes:  > D >>Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group? >  > E > I'd doubt it.  More like a miserable lonely person.  There's an old D > adage: misery loves company.  It's probably some poor bastard thatE > has been strapped with a Micro$haft box and just wants the rest of  ! > the world to feel his/her pain.  >   : I read that many of the viruses are written to impress the
 opposite sex.    Sad    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:08:31 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <00A26460.CED3EF40@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <bkmjbr$fv3$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >VAXman- wrote: ` >> In article <6xGab.2087$L72.98401@news2.telusplanet.net>, Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes: >>  E >>>Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group?  >>   >>  F >> I'd doubt it.  More like a miserable lonely person.  There's an oldE >> adage: misery loves company.  It's probably some poor bastard that F >> has been strapped with a Micro$haft box and just wants the rest of " >> the world to feel his/her pain. >>   > ; >I read that many of the viruses are written to impress the  >opposite sex.  C There goes all the old myths about the size one's trouserschnitzel.   D And before Bill Gates invented the computer and Al Gore invented the* internet, what impressed the opposite sex?   --L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:41:29 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <bkmn59$heo$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   VAXman- wrote: > In article <bkmjbr$fv3$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>VAXman- wrote: >>` >>>In article <6xGab.2087$L72.98401@news2.telusplanet.net>, Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes: >>>  >>> F >>>>Is it possible that some malicious person is targeting this group? >>>  >>> F >>>I'd doubt it.  More like a miserable lonely person.  There's an oldE >>>adage: misery loves company.  It's probably some poor bastard that F >>>has been strapped with a Micro$haft box and just wants the rest of " >>>the world to feel his/her pain. >>>  >>< >>I read that many of the viruses are written to impress the >>opposite sex.  >  > E > There goes all the old myths about the size one's trouserschnitzel.  > F > And before Bill Gates invented the computer and Al Gore invented the, > internet, what impressed the opposite sex? >   = The size of the fish they caught (bought from a fish shop and * pretended to have fought all day to land).  @ The quantity of train numbers they had collected in their little= black book. This may not translate as train spotting may be a , particularly British pastime (lets hope so).  % The quality of their air guitar work.   4 All inoffensive options, well except for option 1 if you happen to be a fish.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  > --N > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
 >             7 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2003 09:05:56 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 3 Message-ID: <XjN$wlBLdYFF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A26460.CED3EF40@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > F > And before Bill Gates invented the computer and Al Gore invented the, > internet, what impressed the opposite sex? >    	Personalized sliderules.    			Rob   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:37:06 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <00A2647D.F25BD452@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <XjN$wlBLdYFF@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: V >In article <00A26460.CED3EF40@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>  G >> And before Bill Gates invented the computer and Al Gore invented the - >> internet, what impressed the opposite sex?  >>   >  >	Personalized sliderules.  G Oh!  I had a 12 incher with a magnifying cursor and my name engraved on H its end frame plates.  I'll have to ask my wife if 12" turned her on. ;)   --L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 22 Sep 03 19:37:51 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? ) Message-ID: <sPi8Gch4Tf6a@elias.decus.ch>   S In article <bkl245$3cr$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  > Paul Sture wrote: 9 >> More spams. Is this another virus / worm on the loose?  >>  R >> Since 13:44 CET yesterday I have received some 114 spam messages (oops, another& >> one just came in) in this  account. >>  J > Since Friday I must have received close to 1000 of these stupid e-mails. > D I spent a load of time yesterday trying to add subject line filters,J but since they are randomly generated it is a thankless task. All the moreF annoying that it was a beatifully sunny day when I wanted to outdoors.  F One claim I have seen is that these things come in with block capitals1 in the headers, so filtering on "SUBJECT:" works.   ( I'm not seeing that here, using TCPware.  1 Has anyone got a set of TCPware filters for this?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:53:18 -0400 $ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>H Subject: Re: Adding a W2003 server to a Pathworks Advanced server domain, Message-ID: <bkn5tf$ha5$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi,   K An update to Advanced Server is required in order for a Windows 2003 server L to join a domain which has an Advanced Server for OpenVMS PDC.   Officially,E there's no Windows 2003 support in any version of Advanced Server for 
 OpenVMS...  F Unofficially, an update (v7.3A ECO2) may be available as soon as early! Oct...watch for announcements :).    Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:41:33 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Creating a wide area VMS Cluster - Message-ID: <87oexdk3aq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   9 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:   2 > Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:  / >>I'm thinking of building a wide area cluster.   C >>My goal is to provide a disaster tolerant cluster for both OS and  >>data.   - >>My current plan has three sites, A, B, & C.   > > Your initial ideas look good, but you'll want to talk to the> > Disaster Tolerant Cluster people at HP.  There are a few bigC > "gotchas" you have to watch out for. One is the following: Site A B > goes down.  Site B stays up for a while.  Site B then goes down.B > Site A comes back up.  Guess what - Site A is running with _old_$ > data and you've lost transactions!  @ True story. Site had at least 3 redundant fibres, with 2 telcos.C Backhoe get one. Then a hill falls over, I ma not kidding, and that B take out the fibre cable that has BOTH remaining circuits :( SeemsA telcos have this sharing and caring thing. For themselves anyway.   ? Telcos seem to like money by the truckload to dig a second hole > and force Murphy and backhoes to work harder. LOTS more money.B Droping in microwave links to link up all 3 sites that way as wellC will allow it to all fail over to MSCP over the air when the yellow B horror out on the road digs up your fibres. Mind, he will possibly. take out you power as well. Life is like that.  3 Old 10Mb microwaves should be pretty cheap nowdays.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:57:19 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>0 Subject: Re: how to add a printer (HP laser jet)- Message-ID: <87smmpk5cg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:  4 > In article <3F687C7F.731C3881@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ > <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  B >> If your printer has LAT support, then you need two commands (in" >> your example you only had one).  E > The printer in question is an HP LaserJet 5J (I'm not familiar with A > that model) and, if it has an HP JetDirect card in it, it's not F > going to do LAT.  There were some companies making network cards for/ > HP printers that had LAT, but HP cards don't.   G When the JetDirect cards and printers first came out all of them except A for *one* model did LAT. Now hp's `network experts' have not even 4 heard of it. They have not heard of SNA either btw.   I Since LAT licence fees and royalties are not a big problem for hp now, :) H less than a G V even, having their protocol in their printers would seem to be a good idea.  D Then you point the clusters LAT queues at the printer that runs ONLYD LAT, and have the rest of the net send print jobs to the cluster for& spooling. Secure, reliable and robust.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2003 08:09:20 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: How to order VMS licenses? 3 Message-ID: <pPMm1H9EK5Cv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <ea44f5a1.0309190637.3fee97d9@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:  > "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<KBmab.1548$Jo5.58121427@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>...  J >> You'll need  OPENVMS-ALPHA-ADL (additional) license units to allow more >> simultaneous users. > ' > Is that unlimited simultaneous users?       Your choice.v  & > Or do I order for a specific number?  H    I haven't looked for a while, but IIRC you said you wanted 64, that's,    probably one of the available selections.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2003 08:14:27 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r6 Subject: Re: How to use shareable image to share data?3 Message-ID: <$07ANBjNIjep@eisner.encompasserve.org>w  U In article <3F6A7D2C.11012525@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:i > I > I'd love to see how such a thing is done in the Unix world... any idea?   J    UNIX have the functional subset of $CREMPSC in mmap().  You'll find one    in the C RTL.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:28:45 +0100aO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> " Subject: Re: HP hardware "support"0 Message-ID: <bkmist$fn8$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rich Jordan wrote:H > The TLZ09 in our MicroVAX died today.  Called support at 1800-354-9000D > as always since its still under contract until December (when most4 > 3100s are being desupported for hardware service). > G > VAX/Alpha is the FIFTH voice-menu item (bet we're paying more support.@ > than the wintel desktops that come first, even at bronze/basic
 > levels). > F > After selecting storage we again get to wait through wintel choices. > G > After making the final selection, first call spent 10 minutes on holde1 > before I had to hang up due to a priority call.p > C > Second call held for about 8 minutes, rang once, got picked up (IeC > could hear voices in the background), stayed that way for about 2i= > minutes (nobody responded when I spoke), then disconnected.r > F > Third call underway, currently on hold for about 6 minutes.  I can'tF > wait to see what further adventures await.  I already know I'm goingF > to talk to an intermediate rep about how often I clean the drive and5 > possibly silly wintel driver or 'try this' items...a > 
 > Rich Jordant > CCSe > E > P.S. third call just ended.  It rang four times, clicked, then deada3 > air.  Sure feels like peecee class support to me.e   For a laugh     9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030722b.html    regardso Andrew HarrisonM   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:29:43 +0800r, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: HP hardware "support"- Message-ID: <87fzipk12g.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  2 "Dr. David Kirkby" <drkirkby@ntlworld.com> writes:  > > I rather get the feeling HP are abandoning Tru64 in favor of> > HP-UX. It seems a bit odd to have what are two quite similarA > products. I guess Tru64 might have been a Compaq product, but It > don't know for sure.  > They have. Tru64 is on official Packard Hewlet UNix death row.   -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:13:29 -0700a% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> < Subject: Re: HP Spends $750MM advertising Windows & printers( Message-ID: <3F6F1199.3000701@rdrop.com>   Michael Unger wrote:  , > On 2003-09-20 12:13, "Carl Perkins" wrote: > I >>But probably at least 90 out of 100 of those that have HP products only E >>have HP printers. Many of the rest have only printers and scanners.  > ) > Don't forget pocket calculators ... ;-)i  " Er, didn't HP abandon that market?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:52:08 +0100iO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>s) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005-0 Message-ID: <bkmk8o$gck$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = > wrote in message news:bkcerf$oia$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...t >  >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>6 >>I think one of the questions was how this plays with9 >>something like Oracle that likes to know (for licensinga( >>reasons) how many CPU's a system has). >>: >>Your answer appears to be 2 cores 2 CPU's hence 2 Oracle >>licenses.  >> >  > 0 > That is an Oracle business practices question. >  >    No     Regardsn Andrew Harrisonn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:37:44 +0800w, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005i- Message-ID: <871xu9lktj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  " John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:  C > "Pentiums are for servers.  Desktop users should stick with 486."iF > they said.  We all know how long that lasted.  The only diffence wasE > there then there was a lot of clamor from users (mostly gamers) for D > Pentium desktops.  I don't know how much current gamers care about% > IPF, AMD-64, or 64 bits in general..  F Does the Pentium 4EE answer that question? A 2MB cache Xeon in pentium/ clothing. Good for and extra 2-20% performance.m  B BTW, Dual is for large values of 2! Expect about 7x performance ifB that gives you a hint. This is for Tanglewood I think it's called, The mongosizler follow on.   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.M@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2003 08:05:57 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005 3 Message-ID: <bRyj9dQX3UY6@eisner.encompasserve.org>k   In article <bkmk8o$gck$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >> s1 >> That is an Oracle business practices question.  >> i >> o >  > No  G    What Oracle charges for any computer, and why, is an Oracle businessS    practices question.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2003 08:02:44 -0700$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)& Subject: License requirements for ES47= Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0309220702.59b82c36@posting.google.com>e  D Can someone tell me how many license units are needed by an ES47 forE license types A, H, and I? I have heard (unauthoritatively) that theyh2 are the same values as for the 4100-class systems.   Thanks!t   Galene -----o  3 To e-mail me, just remove the spam from my address.h   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 05:46:35 +0000 (UTC)eP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)$ Subject: Re: merging queue databases$ Message-ID: <bkm2br$cuq$2@online.de>  ; In article <3F6E57E3.DC583678@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"   <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:   6 > Well, understand: DSA devices canNOT be MSCP-served!   Right.   > For example: >  > DSA1:s >   NODEA$DKA100:p >   NODEB$DKC200:d > 5 > If NODEA and NODEB both go down, DSA1 "disappears".b   Right.  N > > > If the Q DB disk is accessing via HSD/J/Z/G or EVA, then you can specifyM > > > the QM to run on any node in a list you specify with START/QUE/MAN/ON=,h* > > > for example: /ON=(preferred_node,*). > > 7 > > Can I do this with my SCSI LAVC as described above?e > J > Sure, but you'll need to limit yourself to /ON=(NODEA,NODEB) or whatever? > two nodes have a direct SCSI path to the cluster-common disk.   E One can MOUNT/SYSTEM a shadow set from a node which hosts none of itsnH members.  Presumably, I could put this node in the /ON list as well. WhyE not?  OK, it wouldn't work if the node lost access to the shadow set,rG but again this is only possible if both nodes go down, both disks die, s1 or one node and the disk on the other node crash.   G In fact, at the moment, with the new queue database for node 3, I have eH things set up this way: the files are on a shadow set hosted by nodes 1 2 and 2.  Of course, it is MOUNTED on node3 as well.  J > If SHOW QUE/MAN/FU gives the same queue manager name (SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER)A > on each node, then yes: you have three separate queue managers.e  E Right, that's the case.  But, as I understand it, I only need one, aso long as it can fail over.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:55:48 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: merging queue databases) Message-ID: <3F6E8ED2.175C3D60@istop.com>t  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:rG > Perhaps.  However, the docs talk about the queue MANAGER being set uptF > to fall over to another node etc, so it sounds like I just need one. > See HELP START/QUE/MANA/ON .  K It is my *understanding* that you still want to start/queue/manager on eachaL node. This way, if node 2 is alone, its startup procedure will start a queueN manager. And if a queue manager is already running in the cluster, the commandN essentially does nothing. But you would still want an enable autostart as well3 to start whatever queues are specific to that node.   N In terms of the SMTP queues, you'd have to read the manuals in terms of makingL them cluster-wide. On my system, the queue names contain the node name, evenJ the generic queue. One would guess that in a cluster-wide SMTP system, theL generic queue would be, well, "generic" and point to a list of queues spread across many nodes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:13:49 -0400m* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: merging queue databases) Message-ID: <3F6E9309.90A50A7C@istop.com>p  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: L > > If the Q DB disk is accessing via HSD/J/Z/G or EVA, then you can specifyK > > the QM to run on any node in a list you specify with START/QUE/MAN/ON=,S( > > for example: /ON=(preferred_node,*). > 5 > Can I do this with my SCSI LAVC as described above?m  M Yes, it allows you to do this. You simply tell the queue manager the order of N nodes who are to become "queue managers" when the previous one on the list hasC failed. The HELP START/QUEUE/MANA/ON is fairly descriptive on this.   J Now, in the case of a LAVC with MSCP served drives, it goes without sayingL that you need to analyse every possible failure case to see if your scenario makes sense.  N For instance, in my case, the queue database resides on VELO's system disk. ItJ would be pointless to have it failover to BIKE since a crash of VELO wouldM mean that BIKE no longer has access to the queue manager files on VELO. So innJ my case, I specified a /ON=(VELO) without the asterisk. (besides, VELO hasK quorum, BIKE doesn't, so if VELO fails, it is rather pointless to have BIKEM" configured to try to do anything).    N However, if the the queue manager files are on a shadowset with hard drives onI both nodes, then if node 1 fails, and quorum allows node 2 to continue toiL survive, then the shadowset continues to exist, albeit with only one member,I the one that is local to node 2. In that case, it makes sense to have theLL queue manager failover to node 2. But you then have to look at whether you'dF want to failover to node 3 or not. If node 1 and 2 have failed and theH shadowset has disolved because both members are now off-line, then node31 wouldn't have acces sto the queue manager files.    B > Is anyone running HP TCP/IP Services in a cluster with ONE queue/ > manager?  What do your SMTP queues look like?   H Please, don't say "HP TCPIP Services". 5.3 was produced under the CompaqK rgime. And while there may have been a need for a rgime change, HP hasn't L yet asserted its ownership of that product and released its own version. AndL to be really clear, you should still use the Digital name. This way, we knowN exactly what you mean. (eg: the product developped by Digital for VMS, not the- Process, Wollongong , CMUIP or other stacks).c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:56:07 -0400p* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: merging queue databases( Message-ID: <3F6E9CF1.DDC77B5@istop.com>  0 I took a look at the TCPIP$CONFIG.COM procedure.  H The only mention of queues in it is when it uses the TCPIP SET CONF SMTPM /QUEUE=nnn qualifier (number of queues for this node). And when you start theSK software, the .COM files doN,t start the queues. It is the TCPIP START MAILrM command which starts the queues (and I strongly suspect creates the as well).   L In the installation&configuration manual, there is no mention of the cluster& aspect of SMTP with regards to queues.  L When you send a message to SMTP%chef@chocolate.com, a SET WATCH FILE revealsM that it will look at the TCPIP$CONFIGURATION.DATA file, and in that file, theS queue name is defined. %  L Perhaps there is a secret incantation of the TCPIP utility (or TCPIP$CONFIG)/ which allows one to set clusterwide parameters.t  I Note that when you call TCPIP$CONFIG, p1 can be a service name, P2 can be8+ ENABLE or DIASABLE and P3 can be "CLUSTER".>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:08:54 -0400n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: merging queue databases) Message-ID: <3F6E9FEF.C90C210D@istop.com>s  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: F > What's the point of having a generic SMTP queue on each node, rather% > than just one which can fail over? k  L My guess is that they designed the SMTP service to be very node specific and@ have the magic of the DNS/IP address thing provide the failover.  H Consider the case where one node fails. Where will incoming messages getN directed to ? It isn't enough to have the queues "survive" the loss of a node,L but you must also be able to direct incoming traffic to the new node that is
 in charge.  M One a failed node, it is very unlikely that you will have any users logged on L and hence sending any emails, so they won't be submitting any entries to theJ queues. (but on the other hand, if you have just finished generating 10000J invoices or other emails and the queue on node 1 is very full, it would beL neat if node2 could share the load of sending those messages, or continue to send even if node 1 fails.    N Perhaps the trick to making your queues cluster-wide is fairly simple: let theM TCPIP services create the node specific queues (generic and execution). Then, I once they are created, you simply modify the generic queue to include all H execution queues on your cluster. Each node has its own specific genericL queue, but you modify both generic queues to contain the execution queues on all nodes. z  L This way, the TCPIP sofwtare is happy because it seens the queues it expectsM for the node it is running on, and you are happy because you know that any ofuN the nodes can process jobs (messages) submitted to anoy of the generic queues.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:14:02 -04002* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: merging queue databases) Message-ID: <3F6EA123.749B6AC9@istop.com>m   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:7 >> Well, understand: DSA devices canNOT be MSCP-served!   M Since when ?  Support for DSA sets consisting of MSCP served hard drives camesL with the first version of Host Base Volume Shadowing (then called Phase II). Been there, done that.    K Cluster Quorum is still the big limiting factor anyways. If you lose enoughaN that none of the hard drives making up the showdow set are accessible, chancesM are very good that you will have lost quorum and won't be allowed to even try  to look at the drives.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2003 10:03:47 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)9$ Subject: Re: merging queue databases= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309220903.6652f397@posting.google.com>e  | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<bkic6d$b98$1@online.de>...H > So, how do I get from where I am now to having all the queue files in 3 > the new location, without changing any behaviour?9  D When you get to the point of wanting to merge the queue files, there= are a number of tools around which look at the existing queue F information and create DCL commands you can use to re-create the info.C  You'd run such a tool once within each of the three existing queue @ setups, merge the 3 sets of DCL produced, then run the result to5 create all the info in a new consolidated queue file.   < One example of this type of tool is my FIXQUE[_SQZ].COM from- [KP_CLUSTERTOOLS] on the V5 Freeware CD or at > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/kp_clustertools/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:05:57 +0100P* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>% Subject: Re: Need quotes for a system + Message-ID: <bkml2l$l38@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>t  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message F news:rdeininger-1909032104470001@user-105n86e.dialup.mindspring.com...  2 > >Can you still get DS10/466 systems new from HP?  L > This question has come up several times lately.  I just (re)checked the HP4 > Alphaserver web page, and the DS10 is still shown.  K Yes, but the question was about a 466. As I recall, HP retired the DS10/466s. some time ago, and now only sell the DS10/600.  O If you really want to buy a model that has dropped off the entry level end, youm& can't buy it new. What's the big deal?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:48:50 -0400j. From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>. Subject: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer. Message-ID: <D5Dbb.35$s8.1387@news.on.tac.net>  ? I am wondering if it is now ok to covert ODS-2 volumes to ODS-5n  G There seems to be more and more HP based software like java, python and H others that require ODS-5 as their volumes.  Is it now safe to run ODS-5 volumes for production systems.   J I currently am running VMS 7.3-1 with latest patches on a DS-25 2x1000 CPUE system with 8GB memory.  We use RDB and Pathworks as well.  Are there>K performance gains/losses with this or just more Windoz/?inux compatiblity ?61 Is it ok to run ODS-5 on the system disk itself ?a   Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:04:00 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>2 Subject: Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer0 Message-ID: <00A26479.4EC6910B.11@tachysoft.com>   >%@ >I am wondering if it is now ok to covert ODS-2 volumes to ODS-5 >M> >There seems to be more and more HP based software like java,   H The Java SDK does not insist on ODS-5.  Some supplementary stuff such as Netbeans does, though.   >python and I >others that require ODS-5 as their volumes.  Is it now safe to run ODS-5v  >volumes for production systems.  F Seems to work okay for data disks.  Fortunately, you don't have to use) fucking case sensitivity for most things.d    K >I currently am running VMS 7.3-1 with latest patches on a DS-25 2x1000 CPU F >system with 8GB memory.  We use RDB and Pathworks as well.  Are thereL >performance gains/losses with this or just more Windoz/?inux compatiblity ? >     L My feeling is that there is no point in dealing with the addition hassles ofN ods-5 unless there is a specific need for it.  I have *one* ods-5 volume, withN a label of billydisk, and everything that insists on billy-style names goes on< it.  All the other disks remain in the pristine ods-2 state.  2 >Is it ok to run ODS-5 on the system disk itself ?  O I've heard that this is okay with the most recent versions of vms.  But I don'tmM plan to do it unless something forces it, such as a change to vms that forces> billy filenames in vms files. O ===============================================================================lN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O ===============================================================================oN Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:36:25 -0600o6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-@-alum-mit-edu-nospam>2 Subject: Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer0 Message-ID: <JNDbb.11$Y82.15938@news.uswest.net>  K We run ODS-5 on all our disks, including system disks.  You have to convertiE the system disk from the console or during a VMS OS upgrade, however.i  
 Mike Ober.  9 "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> wrote in messaget( news:D5Dbb.35$s8.1387@news.on.tac.net...A > I am wondering if it is now ok to covert ODS-2 volumes to ODS-5u >II > There seems to be more and more HP based software like java, python andgJ > others that require ODS-5 as their volumes.  Is it now safe to run ODS-5! > volumes for production systems.g > L > I currently am running VMS 7.3-1 with latest patches on a DS-25 2x1000 CPUG > system with 8GB memory.  We use RDB and Pathworks as well.  Are there K > performance gains/losses with this or just more Windoz/?inux compatiblity  ?a3 > Is it ok to run ODS-5 on the system disk itself ?l >u > Thanks >m >  >a >y >  >t >V   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:54:29 +0100nO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>h= Subject: Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solaris-0 Message-ID: <bkmkd5$gck$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <bkci33$pvr$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > ; >>So you owe me and the group an complete and full appology ( >>your postings are factually incorrect. >  > C >    Except that my post showed that the CERT posts are misleading.o >     " For SNMP but you didn't cover BIND   Regardsu Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:29:41 +0100mO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>i= Subject: Re: OT: security flaw in Solaris and Trusted Solariso0 Message-ID: <bkmmf6$h4m$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:o > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bkci33$pvr$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>Bob Ceculski wrote:m >>t >>>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<vJZ9b.53112$DZ.3825@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... >>>t >>><7 >>>>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1269850,00.aspK >>>>0 >>>>Solaris Flaw Leaves Machines Open to Attacks >>>  >>>aD >>>well Andrew, VMS would have handled this a little differently ... >>> I >>>http://www.process.com/techsupport/multinet/faqs/multinetsnmpcert.htmlu >> >> >>Humm >>. >>http://www.process.com/techsupport/cert.html >>7 >>Shows that Multinet and TCPware were vunerable to SSH  >>and Bind CERT vunerabilites. >>" >>So what exactly was you point ?? >>5 >>Incedentally this also exposes the lie that TCPWARE 5 >>and MultiNet have been unaffected by any of the DOS 2 >>attacks that effected UCX/TCPIP for OpenVMS. The& >>BIND advisory includes a DOS attack. >>; >>So you owe me and the group an complete and full appologyl( >>your postings are factually incorrect. >>	 >>regardsn >>Andrew Harrisons >  > C > do you even read what you post?  the bind bug seems to get bitten C > by that nasty "access violation" again just as most of those unixe< > c garbage code bugs get caught, thanks to vms security ...     Humm  3 So Bind dying on the OpenVMS box doesn't constituteU' a denial of service attack ? (Multinet)s  > And can you say for sure that this comment on the TCPWARE ECO < definitively doesn't refer to a BIND DOS or any of the other bind CERTS.:  = "Corrects various issues outlined in recent CERT advisories."s  * You also forgot about the SSL vunerability  1 I would have thought you would be used to this byI' now but you have been caught yet again.u  5 So best stop digging Bob and get on with writing that 6 appology anything else is just a displacement activity as far as you are concerned,   Regardsd Andrew Harrisonk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:17:47 -0400y. From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>6 Subject: Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers8 Message-ID: <d01umvgsdvpl53mrbtbnoai351k95htqf2@4ax.com>  , On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:04:29 -0400, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  # >>Who in the hell would you contacttI >> to complain about something like this?  My Senator and Rep would neverc >> understand this...e >d) >Comments@icann.org is the primary place.t  D You might also contact the folks who have filed the $100 million lawE suit over this issue...perhaps they'd be interested in a class-actioni suit?  Some info here:  , http://www.circleid.com/article/268_0_1_0_C/  & There's more about this situation at:    http://circleid.com/  > Those showed up in a Google search with "verisign law suit dns wildcard" as the search.   -- Mike Bartman @ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address.)%   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM...l@ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:03:58 GMTp# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>: Subject: P.C. Market share: Message-ID: <ijDbb.21367$kg.14263@twister.tampabay.rr.com>  C I know this is the wrong forum, but this is the only forum I visit.aL Does anyone wonder why HP is losing PC market share?  I bought a Compaq 700UH presario laptop about 2 years ago.  It is now broke (overheating) and HPL won't fix it.  The local authorized HP repair center says they can buy partsH from HP and put them in and if that was the right part it will cost lessL than a new laptop, but if the first guess is wrong, then I would have to buyE other parts.  After one or two tries the cost will be more than a newnF laptop.  But HP will not do non-warranty repairs on Compaq laptops.  IL understand that they will do so for HP laptops.  I guess my next one will be) a Dell or a Gateway.  Definitely, NOT HP.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2003 09:26:11 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e Subject: Re: P.C. Market share3 Message-ID: <oLLLFlEyiOVG@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  ` In article <ijDbb.21367$kg.14263@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:E > I know this is the wrong forum, but this is the only forum I visit. 6 > Does anyone wonder why HP is losing PC market share?  I A lot of us don't care.  And that explains _why_ this is the wrong forum.rK The idea is not "where can I get an answer" but "where is a group of people  who all want to discuss this".   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:48:45 -0600l6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-@-alum-mit-edu-nospam> Subject: Re: P.C. Market share0 Message-ID: <hZDbb.13$Y82.16699@news.uswest.net>  D Actually, this seems to be an HP attitude that runs in line with theG "outsourcing" of their service centers that made news a few weeks back.r  
 Mike Ober.  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:oLLLFlEyiOVG@eisner.encompasserve.org...uF > In article <ijDbb.21367$kg.14263@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:iG > > I know this is the wrong forum, but this is the only forum I visit.a8 > > Does anyone wonder why HP is losing PC market share? >oK > A lot of us don't care.  And that explains _why_ this is the wrong forum. F > The idea is not "where can I get an answer" but "where is a group of people  > who all want to discuss this".   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:20:23 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Y Subject: Re: Positive words about HP, Marvel, and the RetainTrust program from Clipper Gri- Message-ID: <87k781k1i0.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:r  F > Seems to me HP's share is about the same amount of money it costs HPF > in direct/indirect costs of flying carly(tm) once across the countryC > in the corporate jet. Maybe she should save the company money andnC > simply fly 1st class on a commercial carrier instead and take the2? > savings and invest it in something that will keep and attracte > customers.  E Do you have any idea how much a Gulfstream V costs? Now figure it outp for 4 of them.  / Wonder how the price per lb compares to hp ink?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:29:48 +0200w7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> @ Subject: Re: Preserving decwindows session through disconnection/ Message-ID: <bkn10s$u0h$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>t   JF Mezei wrote:e[ > Lets say I have a decwindows (vax vms) session established to a X windows server/display.l > P > If I turn off the X windows display (or quit the x emulation software), my VMSO > session is killed and I must login again and reopen, place etc windows to getw > to where I was before. > P > Is there a way to preserve an x windows session such that if the X server goesA > away, when it comes back, I could get all the previously opened = > applications/windows to redisplay the exact way they were ?P  C I guess you are looking for something like SunRay1 from SUN. I was rD involed (and I'm still in some) in many project using DecWindows as ? interface (maps, airspace management, meteo systems) and I also-F "dream" about features described by JF. But I think in HP/Compaq they 7 forget Xwindow/Motif (where is Motif 2.1 for example?).    Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:21:52 +0100G From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>WI Subject: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?s) Message-ID: <3F6EE95F.B25018D1@Omond.net>-  < The current flood of spam seems to be totally out of control (doomed, we're all doomed ...).e  8 I happened to venture over to http://www.process.com and: their PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway sounds *very* promising8 (coming from Hunter Goatley, it's something I would have a lot of faith in ...).M  " Anyone had any experience so far ?  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:17:10 -0400e& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>0 Subject: Re: Remove satellite node from cluster?8 Message-ID: <o6bumv4ifb43c8n4g3ob8k8nfsd8b4tusg@4ax.com>  L On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:45:17 GMT, Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> wrote:  ; >So I started to run CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM to remove the node.pB >It prompts me for the node name to remove, and I enter it.  A fewD >seconds later it appears to enter an infinite loop with a DCL error< >of "DCL-W-SYMDEL".  Note that the satellite node is not up. >sC >I can't just delete the files in [sys10...] and [sys010...] can I?t> >Aren't there a lot of aliases?  Should I do a SET FILE/REMOVE >on all those files?  ? As already mentioned, if you need to do this "by hand" the file M [SYSn]SYSCOMMON.DIR will need to be removed with SET FILE /REMOVE rather thana< trying to delete the directory, as it is a synonym entry forP [000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR. Another common synonym entry is [SYSn.SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMPF for a common system dump file; you can check this with something like:  0 $ DIR /FILE SYS$SYSDEVICE:[*.SYSEXE]SYSDUMP*.DMP  L and comparing the file id's -- if they are identical, then you have a commonL file setup, and again you can use SET FILE /REMOVE to remove the SYSDUMP.DMP( references in the system-specific roots.  K Alternatively, you can try to troubleshoot the problem, or figure out wheresL CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM is failing, by running with VERIFY mode enabled. It looksN like CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM unilaterally disables verify mode, so you will need to; make a copy and comment out the line which looks like this:s   $saved_verify = F$VERIFY(0)2   to this:   $!$saved_verify = F$VERIFY(0)   O Then, do a SET HOST 0 /LOG=ERROR.LOG or something, get into the loop, CONTROL-YsP out and examine the log file (or post a fragment here) to try to figure out what	 is wrong. I -------------------------------------------------------------------------uI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com-I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)iI -------------------------------------------------------------------------a   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2003 07:43:33 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)y+ Subject: Re: source for 431 pin CPU socket?'3 Message-ID: <mwWO1NZFB0dT@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  \ In article <87pthwxf05.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: > D > If you do get one Bob, how are you going to remove the old one and6 > re-solder the new one in? What sort of system is it?  E    I've removed the top layer of the ZIF socket and have found that Iu5    can remove individual pins.  It will take a while.>  F    I don't recall the model of this one of the top of my head (it's at    home and I'm not).   @    OBTW, it's not AMD 431, it's AMP and it labeled "431 socket".   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 05:41:54 +0000 (UTC)FP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)? Subject: Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAILt$ Message-ID: <bkm231$cuq$1@online.de>  = In article <b096a4ee.0309211840.7042c4d0@posting.google.com>, 1 spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: a  6 > >    DISK$SCRATCH:[USERNAME]MAIL_203470C7_SEND.TMP;1 > > L > > However, from one account I don't.  The file IS written to disk and the B > > message is sent, though.  Output of SHOW TERMINAL is the same. > >  > > Any ideas? >  >  > Well, one theory:r > C > This user has EDTSYS or a similar logical name defined to his EDTfC > startup file which contains the SET NOSUMMARY command. (I haven'tnC > tried this with MAIL, but I would expect the logical name to takeyG > effect for all EDT sessions that don't explicitly specify otherwise.)    $ sh log *edt*   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)    (LNM$JOB_80E6C1C0)   (LNM$GROUP_000200)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)     "ACLEDTSHR_TV" = "ACLEDTSHR"   "EDTSHR_TV" = "EDTSHR"   (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)   (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES) $ sea sys$login:*.edt summary-' %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched3   That doesn't seem to be it....   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:50:35 +0100D- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>v? Subject: Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAILf8 Message-ID: <tahtmvsl6q29e6p2lb21k48udk5uaa5580@4ax.com>  I On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 05:41:54 +0000 (UTC), helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.dei1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:w   >$ sea sys$login:*.edt summary( >%SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched  K "set nosu" is sufficient, so your search is too limiting.  Also, edtini.edt)F is invoked in the default directory, if found, not sys$login (unless aG logical points there).  Use of set nosummary would seem the most likelyp$ explanation for the lack of message.   -- a John Mail john rather than nospam...o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:57:24 -0400-  From: John Duh <jduh@nobody.com>3 Subject: TCPIP:DNS Dual interfaces and domain names * Message-ID: <3F6EAB4A.A179D185@nobody.com>  J OK, I have node cake.chocolate.com at primary address 10.0.0.10 . But thatN node also supports a SLIP interface with IP address 10.1.0.11 on the vax side.  N When I do a traceroute from my PDA (who is 10.1.0.20 attached to the 10.1.0.10K SLIP port), it is unable to backtranslate 10.1.0.11, the first "hop" in thet route to a remote host.t  	 Question:h  E Is there any gotchas to adding the reverse transation of 10.1.0.11 to:K "cake.chocolate.com" in the in0-addr_arpa.db file ? (there would be two IPsnK pointing to same domain name). Is this expected practice, or shoudl I leavem9 the vax-side of the SLIP interface undefined in the dns ?     
 Second issue:SM from the PDA, if I try to get the IP address of cake.chocolate.com, I get itsnJ primary IP address of 10.0.0.10 instead of the slip side IP address. Would= this cause any problems ? If so, are there ways around this ?e   Third issue:I On my old mac, I have a default route pointing to the router for anythingsN outside of 10.0.0.*, so when the mac tries to access the PDA at 10.1.0.20, theB call goes to the router. In the router, I have defined a route via" cake.chocolate.com so things work.  M However, what sort of routing configuration (gated, routed ?) would I need on M cake.chocolate.com so that it would broadcast a route to the PDA that the mac M would understand resulting in the mac routing a call to the PDA duirectly viagK the VAX, bypassing the router ?  Right now, I only have static routes, so It, guess they don't get broadcasted on the lan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:44:34 +0200f$ From: "MikeR" <rechtman@tzora.co.il>Y Subject: Re: The Inquirer:  "If VMS is your religion, here is a chance to work with  God.n9 Message-ID: <bkmuag$3gm4i$1@ID-103225.news.uni-berlin.de>2  , "Roy Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> wrote in message" news:3F6EE5F6.88F1C70@Omond.net...= > Aside from the hassles of being totally swamped by all thish7 > blasted spam (I'm way over 2,000 now),  I happened toc: > notice on the front page of http://www.theinquirer.net a( > click-through ad with the above title. > 5 > Seems to click through (at least for me) to a storyM* > in the Guardian (Grauniad :-) newspaper.   click leads to:0  " Leopard hunted after killing seven   Saturday September 20, 2003o The Guardian  K A leopard has mauled to death at least seven people in western India in theb> past month, prompting officials to call in hunters to kill it. ...5 > How strange.  	 Indeed...a   >o > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd. >:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:07:19 +0100a From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>oY Subject: The Inquirer:  "If VMS is your religion, here is a chance to work with God." Godp( Message-ID: <3F6EE5F6.88F1C70@Omond.net>  ; Aside from the hassles of being totally swamped by all this 5 blasted spam (I'm way over 2,000 now),  I happened toc8 notice on the front page of http://www.theinquirer.net a& click-through ad with the above title.  3 Seems to click through (at least for me) to a storyt( in the Guardian (Grauniad :-) newspaper.   How strange.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:44:06 +0100iO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>a) Subject: Re: The vultures are circulatingf0 Message-ID: <bkmjpm$fv3$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >  t
 > Andrew - > H > The Sector7 folks live-n-breathe on change. If everyone was happy with9 > their current OS vendor, they would be out of business.v > J > They are well known internally to HP (and I leave it to you to determine" > whether this is good or bad) :-) > J > In the past, they have often tried to convince OpenVMS Customers to moveH > to one of the older UNIX OS architectures. However, as I recall, theirA > focus these days is typically AIX as the main target platform -1A > including migrating Solaris to AIX as the following highlights:A > J > http://www.sector7.com/ibm/ (so how independent do you think these folks > are now?)y2 > http://www.sector7.com/ibm/aix_solaris/index.htm >   5 Good I don't have a problem with that, you apparently:! also don't have a problem either.   7 But then neither of us count in this discussion because / we arn't your customers, who do have a problem.O   Regardso Andrew Harrison 	 > Regardsa >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660r > Fax: 613-591-4477  > Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomy. > (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)  >  > -----Original Message-----) > From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 1 > [mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com] w" > Sent: September 8, 2003 11:58 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc >  > Wayne Sewell wrote:o > D >>>Just received this SPAM from sector7 under the title "Reduce TCO 7 >>>through server consolidation and platform migration"n >> > H >>I've always hated this company, since their whole reason for existance >  > G >>is to get people off vms so that they can sell their conversion shit.t >  > E >>The fact that the customer's site is now fucked up with eunuchs or  : >>billy shit is of no conern because they got their money. >> >  > H > Perhaps you should voice this complaint to HP rather than Sector 7 who
 > HP endorse.@ > 3 > http://h18009.www1.hp.com/fortran/visual/faq.html-A > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/cobol/DEC_COBOL_RN_V27.htmE9 > http://h18009.www1.hp.com/fortran/visual/companion.htmlt > F > All refer to Sector 7 specifically for their tools that allow you to* > migrate from OpenVMS to other platforms. > J > They even give you an alternative of Accelr8 as well if you don't want a > single source of supply. >  >  > H >>Anybody with two brain cells to rub together can figure out that they H >>have a hidden agenda for saying this shit.  Unfortunately, there are a >  > 5 >>lot of people in the industry with brain cells < 2.e >  > H > So where are you now with your comments about people and brain cells ? > 	 > Regardsv > Andrew Harrisonl >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:14:22 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>,Y Subject: Re: There is no Joy in Sunville -- mighty Billy has struck out [on his own] his m0 Message-ID: <bkmlif$gse$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Keith Parris wrote:: > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bkcd60$o5c$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > 9 >>Funny the markets didn't think it was a major issue itsQ2 >>hasn't had a material effect on out share price. >  >  > According to Yahoo FinanceM > (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SUNW&a=08&b=9&c=2003&d=08&e=18&f=2003&g=d)fF > SUNW closed on Sept. 9 at $4.11.  The day after the announcement, itG > closed at $3.80, a drop of close to 8% in market capitalization.  Note > a material effect, you say.c > D > It hasn't even yet recovered to the Sept. 9 price, although it hasA > been bouyed up a bit recently by the announcement of 1,000 moreh= > layoffs, roughly another 3% of the 36,000 in the workforce.g  C Well you might have a point except for the fact that SUNW closed atc& 4.10 having been up to 4.17 on Friday.  = What you probably also didn't notice is that the whole marketo< dipped by ~5% on Sept 9-10. 3% below the market would hardly> prove your point in fact it just illustrates that you are just grasping at straws.o  @ You still havn't explained someone as dilligent as you failed to* notice that Bill is going for over a week.   Regardst Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2003 07:02:00 -0700% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)a/ Subject: Trying to figure out license transferso= Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0309220602.6aaae26a@posting.google.com>t   rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote in message news:<rdeininger-1909032104470001@user-105n86e.dialup.mindspring.com>...? > In article <ea44f5a1.0309191008.3d911fcb@posting.google.com>, ( > tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) wrote: > 2 > >Can you still get DS10/466 systems new from HP? > > B > >So far, the only quote that I have is for a refurbished system. > > 6 > >I thought I saw a new system listed on the HP site. > L > This question has come up several times lately.  I just (re)checked the HP4 > Alphaserver web page, and the DS10 is still shown. > ( > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/ > J > Are you able to talk to an above-room-temperature person at HP and get a% > direct answer to the DS10 question?d  E A while back, I got an unsolicted email from a guy at HP that said wetD should consider him our HP point of contact.  He was the first guy IB send a request for quotation to.  He never acknowledged my email. ; Meanwhile, I have been in touch with some resellers.  Had a   conversation with an Island rep.  5 I am still trying to figure out the licensing issues.:  B The Island guy says I should be able to just load licenses from myE dead box, but get the idea from the HP site that I am suppose to sendn in a $300 dollar application, at least.  ? I am trying to go from a Alphaserver 400/233 to a DS10/466.  WeeC already have one DS10/466.  I am trying to figure out if I can justqB buy a base VMS license for the new box and then load paks from the  dead box and configure my way toE the system that I want.  We already get the binary distributions frome
 HP/Compaq.  D The ADL license pak look almost identical. Same number of units. But theoE product number is *3E vs *BE and the Product name has CONC instead oft ADL.  B Also, what does the "8" mean in OpenVMS Conc 8 LIC".  Is that an 8B user license?  When I test the system, I can have many more than 8D users.  The interactive limit can be set very high.  It is currently at 64.  F The VOLSHAD license pak has the same model number and unit count.  But theoB product name is a bit different.  Same situation with the UCX pak.  = Beyond that, it is confusing because the DS10 seems to have aeB different set of paks from the 400.  I cannot tell what I need.  IB wonder if all these PAKs come if you buy the base license.  I need@ Motif and DECnet phase IV.  Do these come with the base license?   > L > Did you fill out the "buy online" form on the Alpha web page?  Did you get  > any response?  Was it helpful?  F Have not tried that.  I may contact my "point of contact" by phone andC see if he will send a quote.  I would like to have 3 quotes for the  purchasing process.s   > , > Are you trying to buy a DS10 with OpenVMS?   Yes.   > If so, and if the rest of HPH > seems to be in a coma, I suggest you email Mark Gorham and explain theL > problem.  Maybe he will have somebody in the VMS organization find and fixK > the problem.  Or maybe they have run out of DS10s and forgot to take themrB > off the web page.  In either case, you deserve an answer and theJ > "official" HP communication mechanisms seem to have gone down the drain. > L > If you can't order a DS10 now, I expect getting a DS15 in a few weeks willL > be just as hard.  I wonder what the excuse will be for that system.  "Sold& > Out" will be a difficult to believe.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:11:21 GMTc< From: "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp>3 Subject: Re: Trying to figure out license transfersr2 Message-ID: <JaFbb.5341$YO6.1081@news.cpqcorp.net>   Tom Adams wrote: > 7 > I am still trying to figure out the licensing issues.o > D > The Island guy says I should be able to just load licenses from myG > dead box, but get the idea from the HP site that I am suppose to sendu) > in a $300 dollar application, at least.o  G It depends on the license.  Some licenses are bundled with the system, -I and can be transferred with the $300 dollar application.  Generally this e1 is for selling the system to an external company.d  D Other licenses are customer designatable.  If the key(s) has enough E units for the target machine, then for an internal transfer, all you  H need to do is move the license key.  As I understand it, you may not be 3 able to sell these licenses to an external company.o  A > I am trying to go from a Alphaserver 400/233 to a DS10/466.  WerE > already have one DS10/466.  I am trying to figure out if I can justnD > buy a base VMS license for the new box and then load paks from the" > dead box and configure my way toG > the system that I want.  We already get the binary distributions from  > HP/Compaq. > F > The ADL license pak look almost identical. Same number of units. But@ > the product number is *3E vs *BE and the Product name has CONC  > instead of ADL. > D > Also, what does the "8" mean in OpenVMS Conc 8 LIC".  Is that an 8D > user license?  When I test the system, I can have many more than 8F > users.  The interactive limit can be set very high.  It is currently > at 64.  @ It add 8 concurrent interactive logins.  It is unrelated to the F Interactive limit.  The Software Product Description for OpenVMS will 1 tell you what is considered an interactive login.t  H > The VOLSHAD license pak has the same model number and unit count.  ButH > the product name is a bit different.  Same situation with the UCX pak.  F There are at least two variants of VOLSHAD, and a few variants of the  UCX and TCP/IP PAKs.  ? > Beyond that, it is confusing because the DS10 seems to have a D > different set of paks from the 400.  I cannot tell what I need.  ID > wonder if all these PAKs come if you buy the base license.  I needB > Motif and DECnet phase IV.  Do these come with the base license?  G Many systems are sold with a NET_APP_SUPP or something similar license  C and pak.  There are various packages of these and they all seem to  F include at least MOTIF, DECNET end node (IV and V), and TCP/IP.  Some 9 include VMSCLUSTER/VAXCLUSTER and some include SHADOWING.o  F There should be some links from http://www.hp.com/go/openvms that can + describe what is in each of these packages.   H I am not current on the specific policies for each type of license.  It L should be in the Software Product Description for the license or the bundle.   -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp. Personal Opinion Onlyt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:36:13 -0400n* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: vax/vms cobol job?e2 Message-ID: <9TCbb.1751$G1.8852@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  1 There is a job available in Montreal right now...i   -- n Syltrems   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---P4 <tutor@nospam.cfl.rr.com> a crit dans le message de2 news:kh5qmv8ol55kbtlkcr6hcad160j2k0ieta@4ax.com...H > 20 years vax vms cobol. would like to continue the streak. anyone know% > of an installation using the beast?0   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:19:02 GMTr6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: VMS not immunei3 Message-ID: <Wfybb.10183$hd6.113778@news.chello.at>n  w In article <01L0UUK8K52WAPPULV@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:u- >> running tcpip5.1 smtp pop server under 7.3r >> s7 >> the viruses have been pouring in at the rate of more 5 >> than one per minute resulting in filling the disk,S= >> tantamount to a denial of service.  Ultimately had delete  : >> the contents of the mail folder, but was still not able, >> connect from the POP (W2K) client.  Tried >> $ tcpip anal mail/repairtA >> then tried shutting down smtp and restarting, then impatientlylC >> rebooted and back to "normal" now getting viagra messages again.o >> t" >> 1.  Why didn't the repair work?   Because it's TCPIP ?G As long as you use this buggy software, try at least to stay as currentaE as possible. TCPIP 5.4 (beta3) is out and is much better than V5.1...a  ? >> 2.  Has anybody configured tcpip5.1 to filter these viruses?e  4 I filtered it by filtering *all* multipart messages.& *Very* aggressive, but very effective.  H >Presumably, virus-filtering is done with virus-filtering software.  Or H >is there now something part of TCPIP Services which does content-based  >virus filtering?s >eF >The misuse of their position as maintainer of the .COM and .NET root I >servers by Verisign is probably aiding the virus spread, since anti-spam . >measures based on domain name no longer work.  # No longer true with MX V5.3 (ECO8).g  G >I suggest that everyone who is in a position to do so sue Verisign forlG >damages.  Keep in mind that their criminal misuse of their position is=F >legally a separate issue from civil cases demanding compensation (cf.D >O.J. Simpson); a civil case might be easier to get through, and of F >course one would have to sue for compensation even if they are found  >guilty on criminal charges.   Not me, I'm afraid...e   -- h Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialist- E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:58:37 +0200$( From: Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se>B Subject: VMS on a simh VAX simulator, how do I get TCP/IP to work?0 Message-ID: <cs9y8whm9f6.fsf@tempo.update.uu.se>   Hi!,  G I have installed and used VMS on simh for a while. No I felt I liked toiH install TCP/IP and try to connect to the simulator from the "outside". I have had no success so far.v  E I use Linux 2.4.10 on my host machine and I have installed the TCP/IP ' software from the DECUS OpenVMS7.2 CD. u  G I did find a text on the net about how to get started with VMS om simh,dH and while his hints about how do initialize disk and such stuff was very/ good I didn't get networking to work correctly.y  G I have dynamically assigned IP number in my host machine and when I trysF to telnet localhost it just tells me the service is unavailable. DoingC telnet localhost from the DCL prompt inside simh works fine though.   E Anyone out there who knows how to get the simulator som listen on the4F network? Are there anything special I have to do? I'm not that good at Linux networking...   F If this is more of a Linux question, please do tell, but I don't thinkG anyone on the linux newsgroups use simh so I hope someone here could bee of some guidance...e   /andreas   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:43:47 +0100o& From: Edward Brocklesby <ejb@goth.net>F Subject: Re: VMS on a simh VAX simulator, how do I get TCP/IP to work?5 Message-ID: <pan.2003.09.22.13.43.47.392582@goth.net>e  = Andreas Davour wrote in <cs9y8whm9f6.fsf@tempo.update.uu.se>:eG > Anyone out there who knows how to get the simulator som listen on the H > network? Are there anything special I have to do? I'm not that good at > Linux networking...o  A simh uses, by default, libpcap for its networking. You want to do  something like:    sim> show xq eth ETH devices:   0  tap0 ()   1  eth0 ()   2  eth1 () sim> att xq eth0  F Which will make simh use eth0 as its ethernet device.  A limitation ofE pcap is that the host system *cannot* see packets which go out on onemI device, on the same device--so if you don't have two ethernet cards, thatZD won't work too well (simh and the host won't be able to talk to eachE other).  A while ago I wrote some preliminary code to use the tun/tapLG driver under FreeBSD (which should also work under Linux), which uses aeJ 'virtual' ethernet device to get round this problem; unfortunately I neverH had it in a state which was suitable for inclusion into simh.  Maybe one day...  , If you want to try it anyway, the code is at@ http://www.ourservers.net/~ebrocklesby/simh/sim_ether.c (replaceJ sim_ether.c with this and define USE_TUN in the makefile, then use "att xqF /dev/net/tun").  It's for an oldish version of simh, and will probablyB need changes to work on Linux, but you may be able to hack it into
 working...   Regards, Edward.S   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2003 04:42:24 -0700; From: Dominique.GEORGES@dom-auralann.be (Dominique GEORGES)n= Subject: We can stop these SPAMS by blocking all the SPAMBOTs = Message-ID: <9f6f3333.0309220342.6b78a217@posting.google.com>l   Hi,a  ; I'm also victim of this new virus/spam... as MANY otherone.g  ? I found, on a french PHP site, an explanation on how it works :eD Robots like Google, ... scans all the sites, and store ALL the texts@ like x.y@a.b.  store it in a db, and finally sell the db to spam users.  @ There is noway to stop it, but if we attack them by giving theseC robots tons of invalid addresses, they wont be credible at all, and B their customers won't be interrested at all by buying these lists.  E Here is the pointer of PHP script that detect the robot scanning your E site.  If the robot is known as a kind one (a la Google), it does NOTnC provide him bad info, but if the robot is unknown, it automatically # generates dummay email addresses...-  E Have a look here, it's in french, but I think it's a good way to stop  these SPAMs.   http://anti-spam.nachix.com/   Regards,	 Dominiquee   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:23:11 -0500@( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>A Subject: Re: We can stop these SPAMS by blocking all the SPAMBOTsh0 Message-ID: <00A26462.D7B30399.15@tachysoft.com>   >l< >I'm also victim of this new virus/spam... as MANY otherone. >e@ >I found, on a french PHP site, an explanation on how it works :E >Robots like Google, ... scans all the sites, and store ALL the textsiA >like x.y@a.b.  store it in a db, and finally sell the db to spam  >users.: > A >There is noway to stop it, but if we attack them by giving thesetD >robots tons of invalid addresses, they wont be credible at all, andC >their customers won't be interrested at all by buying these lists.- >kF >Here is the pointer of PHP script that detect the robot scanning yourF >site.  If the robot is known as a kind one (a la Google), it does NOTD >provide him bad info, but if the robot is unknown, it automatically$ >generates dummay email addresses... >-F >Have a look here, it's in french, but I think it's a good way to stop
 >these SPAMs.o >f >http://anti-spam.nachix.com/t >a  L This only works if the bot identifies itself as a bot.  Most of the bad ones pretend to be browsers.s  O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   iO ===============================================================================hN Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2003 07:52:19 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r= Subject: Re: [Q]Determine is a pointer Quad word aligned in Co3 Message-ID: <K7rlcldjRrJ8@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  o In article <51262235.0309182053.3e4301ac@posting.google.com>, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au (Stuart Norris) writes:  > Dear Readers,. > I > I am interested to know how you determine if a pointer in C is quadwordVH > aligned?  How do you programmatically figure this out.  Is there some  > simple trick?" > C > I know that malloc and calloc produce quadword aligned pointers. u? > Does XtMalloc for X Windows produce quadword aigned pointers.s  
    int *a;      a = XtMalloc(2);u  5    if (a & 7) printf("a is not quardword aligned\n");f   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:12:36 +0200f" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>: Subject: [SURVEY] Obsolete off the shelf VAX/VMS products?4 Message-ID: <3f6ef549$0$13295$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  G I'm terminating the edition of the newsletter I'm working on about the 1D VAX/VMS obsolescence issue (see post dated July 21st here, entitled / "Obsolete cross compilers: where did you go?").t  F I wish to add the result of a survey for current c.o.v. readers still  using VAX/VMS.  F If you think that this work could be helpful, could you please answer 9 the following couple of questions and send them to me at tG mailto:didiermorandi@nerim.net (my @free.fr address is overflowed with  F that so called new "Microsoft Security Patch" message... which is - I 4 hope everyone knows now - a new virus distribution).  # are you still using VAX/VMS: YES/NO_ if YESC are you (or were you recently) using off the shelf products: YES/NO  if YESB did you address the problem of porting these products to Alpha or  Itanium: YES/NO- if YESE what did your company decide to do if these products do not exist on eL Alpha and/or are not expected to be ported to the Itanium processors family?   Thanks,    D. -- r- Didier Morandi sarl au capital de 8 000 eurosc                     Tout VMS.   5 avenue Albert Durand, 31700 Blagnac France.   Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287  Fax: 33(0)5 6171 3500&           http://www.didiermorandi.com$             RCS Toulouse 448 694 851   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.526 ************************mmercial carrier instead and take the2? > savings and invest it in something that will keep and attracte > customers.  E Do you have any idea how much a Gulfstream V costs? 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