1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 24 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 529       Contents:0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? Re: Alpha firmware updates Re: Alpha firmware updates Re: Alpha firmware updates Re: Alpha firmware updates Re: BEA WebLogic and VMS Re: BEA WebLogic and VMS& CARTS LUG mtg 1-Oct-2003 (Chicagoland) Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org  Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org  Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org $ Re: FTP shutdown/startup on VMS V7.2$ Re: FTP shutdown/startup on VMS V7.2! Re: License requirements for ES47  Microsoft to support AMD 64-bit # Re: Microsoft to support AMD 64-bit J Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  warsJ Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  wars) Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer & Re: OT: Verisign's contract with ICANN& Re: OT: Verisign's contract with ICANN& Re: OT: Verisign's contract with ICANN Re: PCI Device Access  Re: PCI Device Access D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?8 Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open? Reviving a LUG (US-NC)? 3 Re: SMTP to PMDF IMAP vms mail w/attachments hosed? 3 Re: SMTP to PMDF IMAP vms mail w/attachments hosed? 3 Re: SMTP to PMDF IMAP vms mail w/attachments hosed? " Re: source for 431 pin CPU socket?. Re: TCPIP:DNS Dual interfaces and domain names2 Telnet binary differences between Multinet and UCX( Try on corrective package for MS Windows* Re: Trying to figure out license transfers Re: Virtul Tape Driver Re: Virtul Tape Driver" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article= Re: VMS on a simh VAX simulator, how do I get TCP/IP to work?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:30:24 -0400 - From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <3F709140.669F53EC@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Paul Sture wrote:  > 8 > More spams. Is this another virus / worm on the loose? > Q > Since 13:44 CET yesterday I have received some 114 spam messages (oops, another % > one just came in) in this  account.   M Yup.  Same here only made worse by my 4-day hurricane-induced blackout and by O TCPIP Services V5.3 ECO 1 which shows a blank header in VMS mail and DECWindows M mail, despite the fact that it's there.  According to my antivirus, these are O all copies of Swen, which uses it's own mailer.  Does an all caps SUBJECT: line 6 in the header cause this failure to display a subject?    - JB    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Sep 2003 20:01:41 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 9 Message-ID: <bkq8r5$4rdh8$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   3 In article <2vxpdRYbKN7p@eisner.encompasserve.org>, . 	young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:j > In article <bkpghr$4f1mp$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>  I >>           Most sensible people will admit that society can not survive L >> under a system of total anarchy, why do so many people think "cyberspace" >> is somehow different? >>   > > > 	Because it is.  Remember its roots.  Academia and Military.A > 	One of those is an anarchists breeding ground that masquerades  > 	as "critical thinking." >   D I certainly hope your not blaming the academic roots for this trend.H Remember back in the old days?  Many systems didn't even have passwords.G And no one would even consider going into someone else's files.  Things H worked quite well when it was only the military and academia, thank you.& Too bad they didn't leave it that way.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:02:50 -0400 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? + Message-ID: <3F70A6EA.1306DEC8@adldata.com>    Jonathan Boswell wrote:  >  > Paul Sture wrote:  > > : > > More spams. Is this another virus / worm on the loose? > > S > > Since 13:44 CET yesterday I have received some 114 spam messages (oops, another ' > > one just came in) in this  account.  > O > Yup.  Same here only made worse by my 4-day hurricane-induced blackout and by Q > TCPIP Services V5.3 ECO 1 which shows a blank header in VMS mail and DECWindows O > mail, despite the fact that it's there.  According to my antivirus, these are Q > all copies of Swen, which uses it's own mailer.  Does an all caps SUBJECT: line 8 > in the header cause this failure to display a subject? >  >  - JB   Z I also see a blank header in vms mail but a text header on the pc (netscape communicator).S VMS mail will show a blank "Subj:" header and a few lines later a "SUBJECT:" header Z with text. Popping to mail client dumps the blank header and institutes the second header.   sol    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:04:48 -0400 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? + Message-ID: <3F70A760.8054C7AF@adldata.com>    Jonathan Boswell wrote:  >  > Paul Sture wrote:  > > : > > More spams. Is this another virus / worm on the loose? > > S > > Since 13:44 CET yesterday I have received some 114 spam messages (oops, another ' > > one just came in) in this  account.  > O > Yup.  Same here only made worse by my 4-day hurricane-induced blackout and by Q > TCPIP Services V5.3 ECO 1 which shows a blank header in VMS mail and DECWindows O > mail, despite the fact that it's there.  According to my antivirus, these are Q > all copies of Swen, which uses it's own mailer.  Does an all caps SUBJECT: line 8 > in the header cause this failure to display a subject? >  >  - JB   Z I also see a blank header in vms mail but a text header on the pc (netscape communicator).S VMS mail will show a blank "Subj:" header and a few lines later a "SUBJECT:" header Z with text. Popping to mail client dumps the blank header and institutes the second header.   sol    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 16:19:18 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 3 Message-ID: <zxhbS21SEgL$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <3F709140.669F53EC@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>, Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> writes: > O > Yup.  Same here only made worse by my 4-day hurricane-induced blackout and by Q > TCPIP Services V5.3 ECO 1 which shows a blank header in VMS mail and DECWindows O > mail, despite the fact that it's there.  According to my antivirus, these are Q > all copies of Swen, which uses it's own mailer.  Does an all caps SUBJECT: line 8 > in the header cause this failure to display a subject?  E    Gee, they all showed up in my DECwindows mail.  I wonder if having ;    been forwarded by EISNER fixed something in the headers.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:18:02 +0100 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> # Subject: Re: Alpha firmware updates ? Message-ID: <u70cb.2767$%G1.2651@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>    Colin Butcher wrote:L > Please put the entire current and 'old systems archive' CDs on the web forL > download. A zip file or similar would be good. That way we could then burnK > our own CDs and do firmware updates a lot more simply than having to drag G > individual files from the web. Of course, it depends on having a high J > bandwidth link to do this in a sensible manner. There might also be someK > issues around how to make the resulting CD bootable on an Alpha. Maybe it M > could be done as a CD image file suitable for use with CDRECORD, or perhaps  > NERO?   G The BBC are looking at making their "back-catalogue" (or at least some  C of it) available via the web - they are considering P2P as a viable  distribution mechanism.   E Certainly having these available as "ready-to-burn" CDs would be good D (and I don't recall having many problems making bootable OpenVMS CDs@ in the past, so that should not be an issue either). I know that: I had no trouble getting the Solaris SPARC OE 9 CD and the? corresponding Companion CD (basically Freeware) with no trouble 0 whatsoever. That's what HP should be aiming for.   Antonio      --     --   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:28:15 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> # Subject: Re: Alpha firmware updates 8 Message-ID: <3h0cb.98913$yG2.39756@twister.nyroc.rr.com>  K I've thought along this line many times whilst getting firmware.  Put me in  for a Yea vote.   " Thanks for bringing this up Colin, -Jeff     L "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> wrote in message7 news:9wZbb.3059$Bp7.28034108@news-text.cableinet.net... 2 > A suggestion for the Alpha firmware update team. > L > Please put the entire current and 'old systems archive' CDs on the web forL > download. A zip file or similar would be good. That way we could then burnK > our own CDs and do firmware updates a lot more simply than having to drag G > individual files from the web. Of course, it depends on having a high J > bandwidth link to do this in a sensible manner. There might also be someK > issues around how to make the resulting CD bootable on an Alpha. Maybe it E > could be done as a CD image file suitable for use with CDRECORD, or  perhaps  > NERO?  >  > --   >  > Hope this helps, Colin. + > colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk J > Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and  > networks.  >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:35:13 +0000 (UTC) ' From: "Harry" <Harry.uk@btinternet.com> # Subject: Re: Alpha firmware updates 2 Message-ID: <bkqaq1$jsh$1@hercules.btinternet.com>  ; >I had no trouble getting the Solaris SPARC OE 9 CD and the @ >corresponding Companion CD (basically Freeware) with no trouble1 >whatsoever. That's what HP should be aiming for.   H Sun is not the competition... Dell is... its just the way it is. I don't understand it but its true.   L "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> wrote in message7 news:9wZbb.3059$Bp7.28034108@news-text.cableinet.net... 2 > A suggestion for the Alpha firmware update team. > L > Please put the entire current and 'old systems archive' CDs on the web forL > download. A zip file or similar would be good. That way we could then burnK > our own CDs and do firmware updates a lot more simply than having to drag G > individual files from the web. Of course, it depends on having a high J > bandwidth link to do this in a sensible manner. There might also be someK > issues around how to make the resulting CD bootable on an Alpha. Maybe it E > could be done as a CD image file suitable for use with CDRECORD, or  perhaps  > NERO?  >  > -- >  > Hope this helps, Colin. + > colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk J > Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and  > networks.  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:02:19 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> # Subject: Re: Alpha firmware updates ' Message-ID: <3F70FB2B.3837045F@fsi.net>    Jeff Goodwin wrote:  > M > I've thought along this line many times whilst getting firmware.  Put me in  > for a Yea vote.   % Likewise, my hand is up in support...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:48:05 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: BEA WebLogic and VMS H Message-ID: <Fz0cb.101096$DZ.88680@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   John Brandon wrote: @ > Anyone out there running BEA WebLogic on VMS V7.2?  (or V7.3?) > E > Looking for some blood and guts information on BEA WebLogic besides  > the posted sales pitch.     K I'm looking at the same combo.....if I find anything out I'll let you know.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:03:55 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)! Subject: Re: BEA WebLogic and VMS 1 Message-ID: <03092315035563@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    John Smith wrote:  > John Brandon wrote: B > > Anyone out there running BEA WebLogic on VMS V7.2?  (or V7.3?) > > G > > Looking for some blood and guts information on BEA WebLogic besides  > > the posted sales pitch.  > M > I'm looking at the same combo.....if I find anything out I'll let you know.    Thanks.   N My conversations with BEA have produced very little - though they seem willing< to work with us on license package and configuration issues.         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:23:51 -0500 , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>/ Subject: CARTS LUG mtg 1-Oct-2003 (Chicagoland) / Message-ID: <vn1p0i9fi6n580@corp.supernews.com>   A Next CARTS LUG meeting on 1-Oct-2003 at 7pm at the hp facility in  Schaumburg, IL.   8 Details at:  http://eisner.encompasserve.org/lugs/carts/   Also please see   ' http://www.wrq.com/products/verastream/   H for details on the Verastream product, subject for the WRQ presentation.   Thanks,  Dave...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:18:30 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org1 Message-ID: <03092316183084@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   ( > Anyone finding dcl.OpenVMS.org useful?  1 I have not found anything - other than DCL_CHECK.   I > The site needs more submissions.  If you get a chance please post a few ) > procedures to share with the community.    Yes it does.  * > Any suggestions or comments are welcome.  K I would create an index for the items - rather than post next pages, etc.   K Treating them as stories as in "Top 5 Stories" and "Older Stories" is a bit D misleading.  These items are not stories but useful tools and hints.  M You may also want to link into other points - such as the WIZARD & Freeware.  K There is a wealth of knowledge there that could be dumped into this.  Also, 1 openvms.org has a lot of information on "how to".   O IMHO - I find 99 bottles not an item I would have posted - not to raise a stink M - just do not feel like it is a useful tool - other than it demonstrating how  to do loops.   Also...   C On my VMS cluster I have setup two tools called HINTS and SNIPPETS.   I The HINTS I use to remind myself on how to execute certain commands for a 2 desired effect - things I use once a year or so.    O The SNIPPETS is a collection of DCL lines of code that I can use to acheive the . first day of the month, pipe to a symbol, etc.  M My thoughts are that dcl.openvms.org should be like php.net - a collection of , DCL tools and snippets of DCL code.  Hmmmmmm     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:21:24 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org1 Message-ID: <03092316212471@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   N And by the way - I think it could be (and will be) a very useful location - if" we start submitting entries to it.  " How do you make submissions to it?       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 16:26:21 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org3 Message-ID: <4aZYEgqtoREZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <djZbb.5412$M7.2009@news.cpqcorp.net>, "labadie" <tonari_no_tottoro@127.0.0.1> writes:   K > Written when I got tired of the Ibm guys saying "the file transfer failed I > because the Vms node was unreachable", when they had forgotten to start  > the XCOM after a reboot...  A    We had the sam ekind of problem when we put DECnet on a 4340.  H    Fortunately the MVS admin worked for us and got tired of the calls toC    start DECnet, so he put it in the boot script where it belonged.   F    But then there was the X.25 switch in the hands of folks who didn't    work for us...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:01:35 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)- Subject: Re: FTP shutdown/startup on VMS V7.2 1 Message-ID: <03092315013513@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   K > Is it possible to shutdown and startup FTP without having to shutdown and  > startup TCPIP services?  >  > TCP/IP V5.0A - ECO 3
 > VMS V7.2 > > > I know it can be done with V5.1 - anyone have a work around?  ) Never mind - I found it on openvms.org...    Do the following:   ! $ @sys$startup:tcpip$ftp_shutdown  $! do FTP changes  $ tcpip enable service ftp& $ @sys$manager:tcpip$service_setup ftp- $ @sys$manager:tcpip$service_setup ftp_client        J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:32:04 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: FTP shutdown/startup on VMS V7.2 ) Message-ID: <3F70E5EB.37FA93FB@istop.com>    John Brandon wrote:  > K > Is it possible to shutdown and startup FTP without having to shutdown and  > startup TCPIP services?   ' What about $TCPIP DISABLE SERVICE FTP ?   O Prior to 5.3, you may also need to stop an FTP "master" process.( TCPIP$FTP_1 )   + And to restart it, TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE FTP     4 Or you could do the slighly more "official" one with6 @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP and @TCPIP$FTP_SHUTDOWN   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:48:25 GMT 4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>* Subject: Re: License requirements for ES471 Message-ID: <dZ4cb.5499$xW.2795@news.cpqcorp.net>   1 "Galen" <gspamtackett@yahoo.com> wrote in message 7 news:bdc65a53.0309220702.59b82c36@posting.google.com... F > Can someone tell me how many license units are needed by an ES47 forG > license types A, H, and I? I have heard (unauthoritatively) that they 4 > are the same values as for the 4100-class systems.   A = 75
 H&I = 1050     --    
 Sincerely,	 Mark Buda  Hewlett-Packard Company # VMS Engineering, LMF Project Leader  110 Spitbrook Road
 MS: ZK3-4/X57  Nashua, NH 03062 Voice: (603) 884-1969  FAX: (603) 884-3451   * VMS Home Page http://www.hp.com/go/openvms   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:05:59 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Microsoft to support AMD 64-bitH Message-ID: <rQ0cb.101141$DZ.27690@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   mostly old news...  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=569&ncid=738&e=1&u=/nm/20030 923/tc_nm/tech_amd_microsoft_dc   1 Microsoft to Support Both AMD, Intel 64-Bit Chips  By Elinor Mills Abreu   K SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. on Tuesday announced a version of E its Windows XP (news - web sites) operating system for Advanced Micro H Devices Inc.'s new Athlon 64 processor and said it would also develop anE operating system for an eventual 64-bit desktop chip from Intel Corp.   H Chris Jones, corporate vice president for the Windows client division atF Microsoft, said the company's operating system would be able to run onK 64-bit chips from both AMD and Intel on both server computers and desktops.   I Intel executives have said the mainstream desktop market is not ready yet J for 64-bit computing, which processes data faster than current 32-bit chipF architectures. Analysts have speculated that Microsoft would choose toG support AMD's 64-bit PC architecture since its chip is available first.   I But Jones said it would not be difficult to optimize a version of Windows  for Intel's architecture.   D "Our operating system will run as long as (Intel) doesn't change theI instruction set" from their existing 64-bit Itanium chip architecture, he K said. "We will release versions of desktop operating systems for both Intel 	 and AMD."   G The Athlon 64, which AMD launched Tuesday, will be able to run not only 0 64-bit applications but 32-bit programs as well.  J Jones said the new version of XP will be available in final release in theH first half of next year. He said initially, 64-bit desktop computing wasB most likely to be taken up by gamers, video editors and engineers.  G "We're seeing the leading-edge market hit barriers that make (the early K adopters) want 64-bit now," said Jones. "The mainstream desktop market will G take more time to migrate. It will happen, it's just a matter of when."   I AMD said Hewlett-Packard Co. plans to ship Athlon 64-based systems in the J fourth quarter of this year. Other prominent computer companies, includingK Fujitsu Ltd. and gaming machine maker Alienware Corp., said they would have  Athlon 64 systems as well.   -----   J note: "Our operating system will run as long as (Intel) doesn't change theI instruction set" from their existing 64-bit Itanium chip architecture, he  said."  K Guess what that means? Microsoft is dictating to Intel what the instruction G set will be going forward. No changes or you won't have an o/s with any H sales volume to recoup your billions invested in the chips thus far. I'm5 sure AMD will 'play ball' with Microsoft on this one.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:41:37 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-@-alum-mit-edu-nospam>, Subject: Re: Microsoft to support AMD 64-bit1 Message-ID: <9m1cb.133$uf2.28520@news.uswest.net>   L > note: "Our operating system will run as long as (Intel) doesn't change theK > instruction set" from their existing 64-bit Itanium chip architecture, he  > said." > A > Guess what that means? Microsoft is dictating to Intel what the  instruction I > set will be going forward. No changes or you won't have an o/s with any J > sales volume to recoup your billions invested in the chips thus far. I'm7 > sure AMD will 'play ball' with Microsoft on this one.  > J More likely, MS has already tested with the current Intel processors.  TheL reason there are so many ancient (in computer terms) instructions on the x86F line of chips is that Intel couldn't afford to release a new chip thatL didn't support all the existing software.  Windows 64 was released to public- (read MDSN Universal subscribers) beta today.   
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:49:17 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> S Subject: Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  wars H Message-ID: <NA0cb.101098$DZ.87328@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In articleD > <LoXbb.99655$DZ.45799@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John! > Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> D >>> Now, if Intel really wanted to take the world by storm, it wouldF >>> have the ex Digital Alpha engineers to covertly restart Alpha, and@ >>> when ready with what would be a revamped EV8, Intel can then= >>> announce Alpha chips scalable from laptop to data centre.  >>F >> They always have been...it's just that the cooling requirements for% >> a laptop Alpha are a bit daunting.  >>F >> Now if they advertised an Alpha laptop as a computerized coffee cup) >> warmer maybe they'd get somewhere. ;-)  > A > ...and with the power requirements and dissipation of IPF???  A  > coffee cup > plasma generator perhaps?      Fusion reaction initiator.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 12:50:22 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)S Subject: Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  wars = Message-ID: <7500353b.0309231150.59278b0d@posting.google.com>   D > PA-RISC is just as EOL as Alpha (if you don't know that, then your, > credibility on these issues seem scarce).    Live and learn :)    [clip]  P > Those who buy Itaniums today buy them for new systems, not to replace systems.  B I disagree. Force to switch <> ability to switch. Ability has beenF long time, but willingness not. There is no denial that the success of) the switch has been less than phenomenal.   E Btw, according the news today, one of the main supporters of AMD64 is  HP :)    M    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:50:31 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 2 Subject: Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer' Message-ID: <3F70F867.30B638A7@fsi.net>    Charlie Hammond wrote: > 0 > In article <PeXbb.37$s8.1225@news.on.tac.net>,/ > "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca asks:  >  > >what to hard links do ? > A > "Hard Links" are essentailly the same as "Aliases" for file and ? > directory names.  The major difference has to do with DELETE:  > A > Will aliases if you DELETE a file the file is gone; attempts to 3 > reference it by one of its other names will fail.  > = > With hard links, if you delete a file that has other names, B > the delete operates similarly to a SET FILE /REMOVE command; theI > file remains and can still be referenced by any of its remaining names. @ > The file is only truely gone when you delete all of its names.  F As I don't have access to a machine I can play with right now, I gotta ask:  E Is there a variant of the DELETE command to remove a file and all its  links in one go?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:51:43 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> / Subject: Re: OT: Verisign's contract with ICANN H Message-ID: <3D0cb.101103$DZ.60195@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Rick Jones wrote: - > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: F >> Just skimming though it, I found plenty of areas where ICANN, it itE >> had gonads, could have pounced on Verisign the day they put in the 8 >> redirection of non existant sites on a verisign site. > F > Is there an entity waiting in the wings that could take-over running. > the .com and .net registries in short-order?    & In the 'old days', Digital could have.  L Today it would be either IBM or Cisco -- they could do it 'at cost' as a way7 to generate 'goodwill' for their products and services.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:13:08 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>/ Subject: Re: OT: Verisign's contract with ICANN 1 Message-ID: <8X0cb.5445$4s.1630@news.cpqcorp.net>   " John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote: > Rick Jones wrote: ? >> Is there an entity waiting in the wings that could take-over 7 >> running the .com and .net registries in short-order?   ( > In the 'old days', Digital could have.E > Today it would be either IBM or Cisco -- they could do it 'at cost' B > as a way to generate 'goodwill' for their products and services.  E I suppose as in a larger version of the kit I send to the ISC to help C run F.  I was thinking more along the lines of someone other than a ? "systems" vendor, and more along the lines of a direct VeriSign D competitor.  Depending on whether or not one things that having .comE and .net registry taken away would significantly diminish VeriSign, a < systems vendor would have to factor that into the equations.  
 rick jones --  G oxymoron n, commuter in a gas-guzzling luxury SUV with an American flag F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:39:06 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: OT: Verisign's contract with ICANN ) Message-ID: <3F70E790.A787D2DE@istop.com>    Rick Jones wrote: E > run F.  I was thinking more along the lines of someone other than a A > "systems" vendor, and more along the lines of a direct VeriSign  > competitor.   L Since the .com and .net domain registry is operated in a distributed fashionB with some 13 DNS master servers, would it be possible to split theN responsability over 2 or 3 companies ? This way, no one compamy would have the1 unilateral ability to change anything on its own.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:23:07 GMT 9 From: "Joe Headrick" <william.j.headrick@lmco.nospam.com>  Subject: Re: PCI Device AccessA Message-ID: <vB4cb.2919$ai7.696@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>    Hi, D     Well, I really do want to do it from user space (just because it "should" be L so easy reading and writing one word :-) ). However, I think I follow you on the G PCI issue (drat). We actually have two machines and two video cards. An  Alpha = 1000 with a TGA card, and a Alpha 800 with a Powerstorm card. G    The real problem is these machines are on 24/7 and have LCD monitors 	 which are J VERY expensive to repair (yup - have to use them). If we could disable the Sync, G they would probably last 3 times longer (ok, maybe only 2 times). Silly 	 bulbs are  pricey to replace.K    If you (or anyone) has any ideas, they are appreciated. Otherwise I will 	 put it on K the back burner until I can get the book, and write a pseudo driver of some  sort (ifI that is even possible). Sad thing is, it would probably be a short job to 
 add it to the H two video drivers if I had source :-( (BIG assumption on my part I know)      Joe Headrick   2 "Roger Ivie" <rivie@ridgenet.net> wrote in message- news:slrnbmv2vt.c66.rivie@Stench.no.domain... I > In article <xmLbb.64890$NM1.8457@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Joe  > Headrick wrote:  > [[[ snip ]]] > > Anyway, I need	 > > to be D > > able to turn off the horiz and vert sync on a couple of types of graphics > > cards, andJ > > figured writing the IO registers would be the best bet (no source, and > > apparently no  > > DPMI in 6.2-1H3).  > [[[ snip ]]]C > >   If anyone has a IO example that they can share... It would be  appreciated. > H > What, precisely, do you mean? I don't have IO examples to share, but I@ > have written several PCI device drivers and done some register1 > mutilation from user-level code (ahhh, PFNMAP).  > J > If you are talking about doing it from a device driver, there are kernelJ > services to help; IOC$READ_IO and IOC$WRITE_IO being, probably, the most > relevant.  > G > If you're talking about doing it from user-level code, you'll need to E > know A LOT about the system you're trying to use. You'll be arguing @ > with the CPU to PCI bridge. I've done code dealing with APECS,G > CIA/PYXIS, and TSUNAMI/TYPHOON, but even then I had to have help from A > the device driver (and in the case of TSUNAMI/TYPHOON make some  > simplifying assumptions).  > --   > Roger Ivie > rivie@ridgenet.net > <input type crash>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:02:35 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: PCI Device AccessL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2309032111280001@user-uinj4gj.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <vB4cb.2919$ai7.696@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Joe5 Headrick" <william.j.headrick@lmco.nospam.com> wrote:h   >Hi,E >    Well, I really do want to do it from user space (just because itl >"should" beM >so easy reading and writing one word :-) ). However, I think I follow you one >theH >PCI issue (drat). We actually have two machines and two video cards. An >Alpha> >1000 with a TGA card, and a Alpha 800 with a Powerstorm card.H >   The real problem is these machines are on 24/7 and have LCD monitors
 >which areK >VERY expensive to repair (yup - have to use them). If we could disable theh >Sync,H >they would probably last 3 times longer (ok, maybe only 2 times). Silly
 >bulbs are >pricey to replace.sL >   If you (or anyone) has any ideas, they are appreciated. Otherwise I will
 >put it onL >the back burner until I can get the book, and write a pseudo driver of some	 >sort (if-J >that is even possible). Sad thing is, it would probably be a short job to >add it to theI >two video drivers if I had source :-( (BIG assumption on my part I know)i  H The listings for VMS are available for purchase on CD.  I don't know for/ sure whether these device drivers are included.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:14:23 -0400 , From: Ron McDonald <rmcdonald@mcdonalds.com>M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?', Message-ID: <3F708D7C.FAFC041@mcdonalds.com>   John Travell wrote:'L > Sad though it is, if they had made MS stuff secure, we would probably have# > even fewer VMS systems remaining.c  F I disagree. If MS had made its software robust, it would mean that itsN software woudln't have had all the fancy bells and whistles, it means that itsL software would have abided by internet standards (for instance honouring theM mime-types instead of file extensions). And in such an environment, VMS wouldLN have been able to retain a good position on the desktop because its X softwareF wouldn't have been seen as lacking all the bells and useless whistles.  N And VMS's clustering and networking would have beat out Microsoft years beforeD MS finally got its workstations to have semi intelligent networking.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:36:41 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?U+ Message-ID: <3F70934A.3C36DD45@pacbell.net>o   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > - > In article <3F6FE435.177A5C96@pacbell.net>,t3 >         Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:l > >e > >s > > K > > You mean you don't point to any mail, or default, gateway IP?? How doest) > > your mail know where the next hop is?e > H > You are obviously confusing Mail with TCPIP.  Mail doesn't "hop".  TheJ > originator can contact the destination directly and deliver the message.  C How do you "contact the destination directly" without going thru atC  least one of your ISP's routers?  F > Many places run outgoing mail servers but few of them actually block1 > outgoing traffic on port 25 for other machines.@ > H > >                                       I run my own server too, but II > > have to declare at least the address of my router and my router has a - > > default gateway address, which is my ISP.  > 0 > Which has absolutely nothing to do with Email.  F You may be correct in theory, but I don't believe my simple router can8 send anything anywhere without going thru that gateway.    >  > >n > >>G > >> What will be your reaction when you find that your home system got D > >> infected by a virus that sent a commercial e-mail to 27 millionK > >> addresses while you were at the beach over the weekend?  Will you justa1 > >> pay the $270,000.00 bill your ISP sends you?e > >> > >sL > > Of course you would have simple safegards, like decaring a maximum numer< > > of outbound emails per day without further confirmation. > & > Where do you do that in MS Outhouse?  & No, you would set it up with your ISP.   >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   -- M   Have VMS, Will Travela Wire paladin, San Franciscov   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:57:26 -0400r* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?r) Message-ID: <3F70978F.19914361@istop.com>n   Don Sykes wrote:E > How do you "contact the destination directly" without going thru atr" > least one of your ISP's routers?  G Routers are ill equipped to do accountingon thescale which you propose.e  L Also, if I telnet smtp.chocolate.com/port=25 and just enter an HELO command,G as well as HELP command, should I be billed as if I had sent an email ?-  L What is needed is simple. Customers with Microsoft OS and applications wouldJ be forced to configure them to use an ISP proxy service. That proxy serverG would then apply all the necessary protection to prevent that microsoftsL machine from infecting other machines. Of course, Microsoft users would haveX to pay higher fees to connect to the internet since they cause ISPs much more headaches.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:53:22 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>eM Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ? H Message-ID: <CE0cb.101106$DZ.88630@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote: 7 > In article <3F6FE435.177A5C96@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes ! > <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:o >> >> >> Mike Bartman wrote: >>> ? >>> On 22 Sep 2003 21:41:57 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry  >>> Kilgallen) wrote:t >>>e> >>>> In article <bkoakf$42ov5$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>,/ >>>> bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:U8 >>>>> In article <ZuednaI5fOd9O_KiXTWJiw@metrocast.net>,7 >>>>>      "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:n >>>>>>G >>>>>> I'd vote for that $.01 per email fee that was proposed:  I thinkwC >>>>>> it would stop most spammers in their tracks, at least to theiF >>>>>> degree of making them select for people who at least *might* beC >>>>>> interested in their product rather than just spam the world.u >>>>>eB >>>>> And how is it proposed to do this?  How do you know how many" >>>>> emails my machine sends out? >>>>B >>>> Receiving ISPs charge the backbone for each message received.D >>>> Backbones charge each other (and sending ISPs) for each message >>>> received. >>>oB >>> How do any of these know that a given packet is part of a mail@ >>> message?  The port number used?  What about those who run onD >>> non-standard ports, or over other protocols for part of the trip >>> (web-mail for instance)? >>H >> Yes. Charge by headers directed to port 25. Others simply wouldn't beG >> part of the solution and could continue to use any port they wished.v >> >h >>>r$ >>> What if the sender isn't an ISP?G >> The sender doesn't have to be an ISP. But the ISP that gave providedhC >> you with your IP address would be responsible for assesing thoseh >> charges.m >>$ >>> I run my own mailserver...my ISPF >>> isn't involved except in moving packets at the TCP/IP level.  Am I >>> supposed to bill myself? >>E >> You mean you don't point to any mail, or default, gateway IP?? How F >> does your mail know where the next hop is? I run my own server too,A >> but I have to declare at least the address of my router and my 9 >> router has a default gateway address, which is my ISP.u >> >e >>> F >>> What will be your reaction when you find that your home system gotC >>> infected by a virus that sent a commercial e-mail to 27 million.E >>> addresses while you were at the beach over the weekend?  Will youn5 >>> just pay the $270,000.00 bill your ISP sends you?  >>>  >>E >> Of course you would have simple safegards, like decaring a maximumtA >> numer of outbound emails per day without further confirmation.s >>C >>> There may be a solution to the spam problem, but that isn't it.  >>>e >>& >> I wouldn't be so sure. Money talks. >> > F > How will you enforce this. To work it has to be applied worldwide toG > all "ISPs" (or at least a majority - since I suppose you would refuse- > to receive% > mail from those who don't sign up).0C > However until a majority have signed up it pays for an ISP NOT TOp	 > charge. = > They will get more customers if they don't charge and their. > competitor down  > the road does charge.p >tE > Also until all systems are charging you will be causing chaos sinceo
 > you will? > have destroyed any hope of consistent reliable mail delivery.w >DG > I think Money will talk - it'll say "this is madness - this "cure" isi > worses > than the disease". > G > The only people who could think this is a good idea are non-technicala > bean > counters.o     Or legislators.o   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 13:37:27 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?i= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309231237.39383dbd@posting.google.com>e  v usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) wrote in message news:<477e0934.0309230702.2874cf3b@posting.google.com>...] > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3F6FDA1B.359A6B91@istop.com>...nQ > > Another issue is that of viruses. It would be best to simply educate everyonetR > > to simply avoid anything microsoft. But if that won't happen, there isn't muchF > > to be done to prevent viri since microsoft is such an easy target. >  > C > Not a solution.  Most OS'es have holes.  The virus writers targetrH > whatever the mainstream OS is because that is how they get the highestE > infection rate.  If we all switched over to Apple instead, then thej@ > virus writers would target MacOS and poke holes all over that. >  > This isn't MSFT's fault. >  > -joshg  F yes it is Micro$ofts fault!  Instead of trying to steal mica code theyB should have bought vms and threw out dos and ran windows on top ofC VMS ... now there would have been a platform ... VMS has few if any9F holes to poke ... 25 years have proven that and defcon9 reinforced it!   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 16:22:17 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?o3 Message-ID: <$nCXfMVRS9R4@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  q In article <477e0934.0309230702.2874cf3b@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes:l > C > Not a solution.  Most OS'es have holes.  The virus writers targettH > whatever the mainstream OS is because that is how they get the highestE > infection rate.  If we all switched over to Apple instead, then the @ > virus writers would target MacOS and poke holes all over that.  C    MacOS used to be well known for virus problems.  I don't know ifoC    Apple really fixed them, or the script kiddies just don't target-    them.  2    Some OS don't have holes.  That's the solution.   > This isn't MSFT's fault.  D    Yes it is.  They don't care that thier OS has holes, that's their!    decision, so it's their fault.u   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 16:23:39 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)'M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?s3 Message-ID: <7yUba50x0Ur4@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  [ In article <3F708D7C.FAFC041@mcdonalds.com>, Ron McDonald <rmcdonald@mcdonalds.com> writes:b  H > I disagree. If MS had made its software robust, it would mean that its> > software woudln't have had all the fancy bells and whistles,  E    I disagree.  I've been designing and writing software for a coupleaB    decades and I've yet to see a bell or whistle that required bad     design or bad implementation.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 17:46:28 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)oM Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?k3 Message-ID: <D6mnWeLbf4It@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <$nCXfMVRS9R4@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:es > In article <477e0934.0309230702.2874cf3b@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes:  >> dD >> Not a solution.  Most OS'es have holes.  The virus writers targetI >> whatever the mainstream OS is because that is how they get the highesteF >> infection rate.  If we all switched over to Apple instead, then theA >> virus writers would target MacOS and poke holes all over that.o > E >    MacOS used to be well known for virus problems.  I don't know if E >    Apple really fixed them, or the script kiddies just don't target.
 >    them.  E I never got one, but I don't run software gathered over the Internet,   including JavaScript, Java, etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:35:37 -04008. From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?l8 Message-ID: <pe02nv46teuj1kd2uk5e00dj59d3aj2b89@4ax.com>  , On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:29:39 -0400, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >Mike Bartman wrote:B >> There may be a solution to the spam problem, but that isn't it. >nH >Educate ALL users to delete spam message before even reading them. As aN >result, the business of sending spam will not be viable since they woN't sell= >products or generate clicks to some web site or some advert.M  B That's better, but it still has problems.  A Spammer would have toE actually send some spam, and fail to get a payback, perhaps more thaniC once (I see them as slow learners...) before that one spammer would C give up and try something more honest.  Then the next Spammer would A have to go through that process.  In the mean time, lots of spam.e> With an endless supply of new spammers (there's one born every3 minute...) there will be an endless supply of spam.i  D Of course, over time word might get around, but it's iffy.  If thereC are idiots who will respond to spam, there are idiots who will sendtD it, thinking it's easy money...and you can't educate everyone enoughF to prevent *some* level of response.  Look at how well making porn and? theft socially unacceptable has worked on the net for instance.i  D I think the only thing that might work is just to hunt them down andA kill them.  Even if it doesn't work, we'll still feel better! :^)i   -- Mikea@ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address.s%   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM...n@ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:49:56 -0400:. From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?n8 Message-ID: <qu02nv440smt8hum0l2c509s42fruj6hoh@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:09:45 GMT, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>d wrote: >Mike Bartman wrote:   # >> I run my own mailserver...my ISP E >> isn't involved except in moving packets at the TCP/IP level.  Am Ih >> supposed to bill myself?  > ? >You mean you don't point to any mail, or default, gateway IP??"  B My DSL router is my default gateway.  It connects to the ISP using? various protocols, depending on who the ISP is (my old one useda FrameRelay).  C My mailserver is local to my LAN.  It connects to the mailserver of = the recipient.  It finds it through DNS lookups (MX records).w  / >How does your mail know where the next hop is?u  C Most mail these days goes in one hop from my mail server to the one @ the recipient's domain address's MX record says it should go to.B Whether that mail server does something with it after that I don'tC know or care (mine does, for some addresses, but you shouldn't carea about that either ;^).   >I run my own server too, but IaF >have to declare at least the address of my router and my router has a* >default gateway address, which is my ISP.  D As I said, my ISP just moves TCP/IP packets for me.  It doesn't careD what's in them...they are just data blocks to be delivered where theC address says they go.  They could be a ping, a part of an e-mail, a ? telnet session segment, an RPC call...those details are for the-A receiving system to worry about.  The routing hardware only cares@ about the IP level headers.  j  D Firewalls dig deeper, but they still don't care about content...justB IP, port number, etc..  To implement this "charge per e-mail" planD you'd have to turn the backbone routers into pseudo-firewalls at theE very least, and that would slow them down a lot.  Do that and you geti@ more retransmits, slower throughput, and a less usable internet.D You've elimiated spam to an extent, but substituted a huge amount of overhead for the net.s  E >> What will be your reaction when you find that your home system gotEB >> infected by a virus that sent a commercial e-mail to 27 millionI >> addresses while you were at the beach over the weekend?  Will you justr/ >> pay the $270,000.00 bill your ISP sends you?e >lI >Of course you would have simple safegards, like decaring a maximum numerf9 >of outbound emails per day without further confirmation.a  D A software fix for a software attack?  No thanks.  What happens whenE the virus writer learns about your limit, and changes it to somethingD# huge?  Back to writing huge checks?t  B >> There may be a solution to the spam problem, but that isn't it. >> o$ >I wouldn't be so sure. Money talks.  1 Yes, generally I find that it says, "Good-bye"...e   -- Mike1@ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address.@%   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM...b@ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:53:50 -0400n. From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ? 8 Message-ID: <ln12nvo84nlj9mrgc2uerhlk96rah1n7kj@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:53:22 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:    >david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  H >> The only people who could think this is a good idea are non-technical >> bean counters.l >i >m >Or legislators.  A Therein lies the horror story outcome...people with power, and noM understanding.   Of course, what else is new?   -- Mike/  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address.t%   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM... @ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:28:27 +0000 (UTC)T, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?S. Message-ID: <bkqadb$o1o$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) writes in article <c4bfc78e.0309231214.4dc87c00@posting.google.com> dated 23 Sep 2003 13:14:00 -0700:nG >I have a DCL script that opens three files for reading and writing andtA >I'm wanting to know if there's a way in DCL to check to see if a5D >particular file is open so I can close it under certain conditions. > C >I can just "close" the file, but I have some particular conditionsnG >where closing one would cause the rest to hang and vise-versa and feels
 >that if I? >can check to see what's open it could save some lines of code.a >BA >(I dont' want to code multiple rules for closing the files under * >different situations if at all possible.)  H I'm guessing that you mean open by the current process, as opposed to by# some other process in the system.  -  I When you open a file with the OPEN command, DCL creates a logical name inmJ the process table with the CONFINE attribute.  Most other logical names do? not have that attribute.  So a reasonable way to check would be   ' $ open myfile dev:[dir]file /read/writeo ..B $ if f$trnlnm("MYFILE","LNM$PROCESS_TABLE",,,,"CONFINE") then ____  / Or you could use a global symbol to keep track.I  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgA> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 13:14:00 -07001 From: byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer)rA Subject: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?l= Message-ID: <c4bfc78e.0309231214.4dc87c00@posting.google.com>e   Hi...s  F I have a DCL script that opens three files for reading and writing and@ I'm wanting to know if there's a way in DCL to check to see if aC particular file is open so I can close it under certain conditions.s  B I can just "close" the file, but I have some particular conditionsF where closing one would cause the rest to hang and vise-versa and feel	 that if Ia> can check to see what's open it could save some lines of code.  @ (I dont' want to code multiple rules for closing the files under) different situations if at all possible.)p   Thanks   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 16:30:10 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?W3 Message-ID: <0+UjHD6CFttr@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  q In article <c4bfc78e.0309231214.4dc87c00@posting.google.com>, byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) writes:a > Hi...  > H > I have a DCL script that opens three files for reading and writing andB > I'm wanting to know if there's a way in DCL to check to see if aE > particular file is open so I can close it under certain conditions.i  H    "$open x file.name" creates logical name x.  If you carefully control1    "x" and use f$trnlnm fully you could use that.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:46:18 -0400r* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?s) Message-ID: <3F70E940.354F9C8F@istop.com>O  C > >I'm wanting to know if there's a way in DCL to check to see if aaF > >particular file is open so I can close it under certain conditions.  $ $OPEN/read/write myfile thefile.data  .  .  .  .3 $OPEN/WRITE/NOSHARE/ERROR=opened temp1 thefile.datae $CLOSE temp1 $goto rest_of_jobn $! $OPENED:
 $close myfilea $!
 $rest_of_job:t  J In other words, try to open the file again. If it fails, it means that the file has already been opened.u   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 20:08:59 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?-= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0309231908.3d2f05fb@posting.google.com>   v byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) wrote in message news:<c4bfc78e.0309231214.4dc87c00@posting.google.com>... > Hi...t > H > I have a DCL script that opens three files for reading and writing andB > I'm wanting to know if there's a way in DCL to check to see if aE > particular file is open so I can close it under certain conditions.t > D > I can just "close" the file, but I have some particular conditionsH > where closing one would cause the rest to hang and vise-versa and feel > that if Ie@ > can check to see what's open it could save some lines of code. > B > (I dont' want to code multiple rules for closing the files under+ > different situations if at all possible.)e >  > Thanks    B A little more detail would be helpful. Actually, a lot more detail would be helpful. :-)r  @ Can you give a sample of your OPEN statements? If you write themB right, you should be able to save the name of the opened file in a symbol.y  ? I don't know if this helps you, but off the top of my head (NOT 
 TESTED!!!)...1  D THIS IS NOT TESTED. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. THIS IS ONLY TO ILLUSTRATE1 AN IDEA. OTOH, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY WORK ANYWAY! :-)   * $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO _your-error-routine# $ SHOW DEVICE/FILES/OUTPUT=TEMP.TMP ( $ SEARCH TEMP.TMP <your-particular-file> $ SEVERITY = $SEVERITY> $ IF (SEVERITY.EQ.1) THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "The file is open."B $ IF (SEVERITY.EQ.3) THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "The file is not open."  ' Not very elegant, but it'll do the job.t  E If you tell us more about your code, we may be able to offer a better,	 solution.h   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmand   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 14:31:50 -0700. From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb)  Subject: Reviving a LUG (US-NC)?= Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0309231331.5795d08e@posting.google.com>   ? I'm considering spearheading an effort to bring a Triangle-arear< (Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill) North Carolina local user group
 back to life.s  ' Comments to wwebb1@email6.usps32.gov11 p  J The numerals zero through nine should not be included in my email address.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:07:07 -0400n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: SMTP to PMDF IMAP vms mail w/attachments hosed?) Message-ID: <3F70A7DF.1BFBCF42@istop.com>2   Bob Ceculski wrote:m< > we are moving our vms mail to PMDF and after BACKUP a user: > directory and then restoring on the new mail server box,> > we cannot view any mail that had attachments or HTML format!  J On the new system, can you access the messages interactively with good oldJ MAIL ? Remember that the new system will not have the records from the old; system's vmsmail_profile.data (notably new message counts).e  N If, on VMSmail, you can list messages in a folder, and when you read them, youI see the RFC 822 headers, a blank line followed by the contents, then your2N transfer operation shouldn't be at fault, and I would suspect the new software% to be at fault. Poor config perhaps ?   N Does the IMAP server list those messages that have attachements in a directoryL ? What exactly happens when you try to open those attachements ? What client are you using ?s   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 18:37:28 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)< Subject: Re: SMTP to PMDF IMAP vms mail w/attachments hosed?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309231737.12231ad3@posting.google.com>e  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3F70A7DF.1BFBCF42@istop.com>...e > Bob Ceculski wrote:h> > > we are moving our vms mail to PMDF and after BACKUP a user< > > directory and then restoring on the new mail server box,@ > > we cannot view any mail that had attachments or HTML format! > L > On the new system, can you access the messages interactively with good oldL > MAIL ? Remember that the new system will not have the records from the old= > system's vmsmail_profile.data (notably new message counts).t > P > If, on VMSmail, you can list messages in a folder, and when you read them, youK > see the RFC 822 headers, a blank line followed by the contents, then youraP > transfer operation shouldn't be at fault, and I would suspect the new software' > to be at fault. Poor config perhaps ?  > P > Does the IMAP server list those messages that have attachements in a directoryN > ? What exactly happens when you try to open those attachements ? What client > are you using ?y  5 there are NO attchmnts ... everything loks like text!oA you can read them using outhouse express but any atchmnts or htmlxC is hosed ("HUoohioyTTTTTU6TRU7GFH") ... endless garbage in text ...   C great ... now MIGRATE brings the messages over w/attchmnts from onei@ box to another but now you lose the receive date (reverts to theC system date) ... this sun unix stuff is garbage!  why can't someonewA just port the routine that separates the body like pmdf does then-E tcpware/multinet could work along w/sophos ... of course Process ownsm. pmdf so you have to buy this sun unix junk ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:31:57 -0400c* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: SMTP to PMDF IMAP vms mail w/attachments hosed?) Message-ID: <3F7101FC.323ED8DA@istop.com>g   Bob Ceculski wrote:s7 > there are NO attchmnts ... everything loks like text!uC > you can read them using outhouse express but any atchmnts or html E > is hosed ("HUoohioyTTTTTU6TRU7GFH") ... endless garbage in text ...r    H In VMS mail, there are no attachements. Just text. The IMAP server wouldN normally just send the text of the email to the client.  The imap client wouldN then expect the contents to begin with an rfc822 header and then, depending onN the content type, would scan the remainder for attachements, text or whatever.  > The first line of an email must be a valid RFC822 header line.  I Using VMSmail, do you see any difference in the format of message headersr9 between those who are without attachements and that are ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:26:31 -0000 - From: Uns Lider <unslider-usenet@miranda.org> + Subject: Re: source for 431 pin CPU socket? A Message-ID: <slrnbn142n.351.unslider-usenet@disorder.primate.net>m  ? On 2003-09-23, David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:eG > Do you have a desoldering tool? Spring-loaded sucker - heat the joint I > until the solder flows then suck it away. Let it cool and break teh pineI > loose with a small screw driver or something else. Do that on each pin,cD > being careful to cool the board so it doesn't heat the surrounding# > components. Kinda tedious, but...w  G If you can pull the pins individually, my approach would be to heat theiH joint from the solder side while pulling on the pin with pliers from theH component side, THEN suck any remaining solder out of the hole. ProbablyF faster that way, and less likely to lift a pad while breaking the pins loose.  H The stubborn pins are probably hooked to the power/ground planes, you'll% need a fairly hot iron to pull those.    -- uns   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:23:06 -0400n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>7 Subject: Re: TCPIP:DNS Dual interfaces and domain namesa( Message-ID: <3F70E3D2.EE07321@istop.com>   H Vlems wrote:L > The MAC should have the IP address of VELO(1) set for its default gateway.  I Since most of the IP traffic for the mac goes to the internet, it is moretN efficient to have its default gateway set to the router. Just wondering iof itK is possible to tell the mac, behind the scenes, that there is an additionalc5 route available for the second subnet served by VELO.e      @ >> Would this be reasonably accurate description of the network?  
 Not quite.             [PDA]s               |m#   [MAC]    [VELO]   [BIKE]   [MAC2]       |         |        |       |      +---------+--------+-------+               |             [ROUTER]B               |m
 		internet    M Because of the subnet, MAC knows it need not go through the router to send tos VELO, BIKE and MAC2.N But to send to PDA, MAC sees it as being outside the subnet and thus routes itK to ROUTER. If I were able to broadcast a route behind the scenes, *perhaps*oN the MAC would be smart enough to add this to the default route so that the MACN would know that VELO acts as a reouter for the 10.1.0.* subjet on wich the PDA is located.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 03:58:41 GMTa! From: Eric Milkie <noemail@no.no>n; Subject: Telnet binary differences between Multinet and UCXd; Message-ID: <Xns93FFF3F24346Beam23beethovencom@167.206.3.2>w  
 Greetings,  K I would like to be able to send a bare CR (ASCII 0x0D) over Telnet as part aG of a data stream.  Since the Telnet standard says you can't do this in vJ normal NVT mode (you can only transmit CR NUL or CR LF), I believe I need & to activate the Binary Telnet option.   L In TCP/IP Services this works fine just by setting the PASTHRU (or PASSALL) G characteristic on the terminal. It seems to turn on binary mode on the tC connection and sends the CR character bare without any translation.,  J On Multinet, however, if you set the terminal to PASTHRU (and EIGHT_BIT), L sending a CR is still translated to the two bytes CR NUL.  I suppose I need K to turn on Binary mode but there doesn't appear to be any way to do this.  -J If I try to send the actual telnet command over the channel (IAC plus the J binary mode byte), Multinet doubles the IAC to escape it, as it ought to, 2 thus foiling my attempt at activating binary mode.    F Is there any way of programmatically sending Telnet IAC commands on a I Multinet Telnet server?  I apologise for the complexity of this question o8 and I'm not even sure I got all the terminology correct.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:47:09 GMTe7 From: "Evert & Edith van Dijken" <e.vandyken@chello.nl>I1 Subject: Try on corrective package for MS Windowso< Message-ID: <xG%bb.213285$P03.40131943@amsnews02.chello.com>   All,  = Somewhere I saw a description of this subject beeing a virus. 9 Maybe someone can remove this subject from this newgroup.r   Evert.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:34:18 GMTb5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) 3 Subject: Re: Trying to figure out license transfersnL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2309032143090001@user-uinj4gj.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <ea44f5a1.0309230401.2705a384@posting.google.com>,o& tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) wrote:    C >Someone from HP did get back to me by phone shortly after I postedvE >about getting no response to my emal.  They are working on the quote / >and they answered my questions about licenses.n >.G >I can transfer the concurrent user and the volume shadowing and TCPIP.- >-C >I need to buy the base and an add-on to get Motif and DECnet.  Ther1 >add-on is called Enterprise Integration Package.:  P This is from the July 31 Quickspecs document, which seems to be the most recent:  I AlphaServer DS10 OpenVMS systems include pre-installed software (V7.3-1), J Base license with System Manager license and Enterprise Integration Server" License Package for OpenVMS V3.0A.  J AlphaStation DS10 OpenVMS systems include pre-installed software (V7.3-1),H Base license, Concurrent Use 1-user license, and NAS 150 Client license.   Later in the same document:r  H Enterprise Integration Package includes licenses for TCP/IP Services forD OpenVMS, DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS Alpha, DECprint Supervisor for OpenVMS Alpha Plus, O DECprint Supervisor for OpenVMS Open, DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Alpha End System,eL Archive/Backup System for OpenVMS Management Tools, Archive/Backup Agent forL Windows NT, OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT, Office Server for OpenVMS,L PATHWORKS 32, PATHWORKS V6 for OpenVMS  Advanced Server, and DIGITAL Office Server Client Access License  @ I think the contents of the NAS-150 bundle is listed in an SPD.   G So if you buy a new DS10 with VMS, you can get the server (with EIP) or ; the workstation (with NAS-150).  The hardware is identical.@  D There should be one order number that includes the hardware plus theJ license package.  "Add-on" sounds like an odd way to construct the order. D But educational pricing/bundling was pretty creative the last time I bought stuff for a university.    P >> >> Did you fill out the "buy online" form on the Alpha web page?  Did you get$ >> >> any response?  Was it helpful? >> >J >> >Have not tried that.  I may contact my "point of contact" by phone andG >> >see if he will send a quote.  I would like to have 3 quotes for thec >> >purchasing process.t >> cG >> I filled in the form late Friday, and have heard nothing so far.  Of L >> course, my email box has been filled up for most of that time.  We'll seeF >> if HP will expend effort to sell an upgrade to my DEC 3000 systems.  H Well, I got a phone message from HP on Tuesday from the request I put in3 the web form.  I'll see if that results in a quote.o   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:46:30 +0000 (UTC) : From: "Murray Styman" <murray.nospam.styman@btintrnet.com> Subject: Re: Virtul Tape Drivery2 Message-ID: <bkq0tm$30l$1@hercules.btinternet.com>  ' Trouble is they need to read and write.h    , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A26539.8A500B1C@SendSpamHere.ORG...5 > In article <$gMMmi4$vJLQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>,k= koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:o= > >In article <00A264B9.050C740C@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-o @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:tG > >> In article <bknl6e$hhd$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Murray Styman" , <murray.nospam.styman@btintrnet.com> writes:? > >>>Does anyone have or know of a virtual tape driver for vms?d > >>> ) > >>>Preferably freeware and with source.e > >>>n > >>E > >> So that you can perform virtual backups and virtual restores? ;)  > >>' > >> What are you trying to accomplish?s > >oJ > >   Obviously his VMS system is overloading NLA0: and he needs someplace& > >   else to use up kernel mode time. > >>D > Except that many of the I/O functions that are used on a real tape0 > device will not perform successfully on NLA0:. >n > $ ALLOCATE NLA0:> > %SYSTEM-W-DEVALLOC, device already allocated to another user >u8 > $ MOUNT NLA0: XYZZY NOT_READY_FOR_PRIME_TIME_TAPEDRIVE; > %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, device already allocated to another user ? > %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, device _NLA0: is not available for mounting.L: > %MOUNT-I-NOOPR, no operator available to service request >  > --2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >c6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 16:16:25 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o Subject: Re: Virtul Tape Driverf3 Message-ID: <1Ckxmf+8S6HX@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  U In article <00A26539.8A500B1C@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: s > In article <$gMMmi4$vJLQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:S >>I >>   Obviously his VMS system is overloading NLA0: and he needs someplace0% >>   else to use up kernel mode time.i >>D > Except that many of the I/O functions that are used on a real tape0 > device will not perform successfully on NLA0:.  I    That's a joke, son.  I wonder how much we could get from him to write a    a null tape driver?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:09:47 -0400e) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>B+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articleu9 Message-ID: <Ow3cb.5694$yD1.785577@news20.bellglobal.com>"  J FYI, According to this article at extreme-tech, LINUX is a new kernel with BSD's apps tacked on.o  8 http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,555398,00.asp  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,k Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/>6 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/vms_vs_unix.html  2 "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message" news:3F707300.8030008@rdrop.com... > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > JF Mezei wrote:i# > >>Isn't Linux just another Unix ?h > >aK > > Yes and no. Linus did his best to emulate the UN*X kernel. Linux is nots > > UN*X and UN*X is not Linux.o >oI > And the free versions of BSD, then, which did (as I understand it) spin ) > off from the pedigreed BSD source code?  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:59:42 -0400w* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articlew) Message-ID: <3F70DE58.62D176DB@istop.com>l   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:I > Yes and no. Linus did his best to emulate the UN*X kernel. Linux is note > UN*X and UN*X is not Linux.t  K When you look at AIX,  Tru64, HP-UX, SCO, BSD and any other commercial UnixfM available from smaller companies, are they really all the "same" ? Does Linux F really stand out out of the crowd with the only one having significant internal differences ?   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 18:44:11 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articleI= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309231744.41e3f85f@posting.google.com>r  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3F6FA2D3.9A089E0F@fsi.net>... > JF Mezei wrote:  > > # > > Isn't Linux just another Unix ?u > I > Yes and no. Linus did his best to emulate the UN*X kernel. Linux is not  > UN*X and UN*X is not Linux.l  = one thing they both are is GARBAGE ... and I'm not fifty yet!>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:54:29 -0500u1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articlel& Message-ID: <3F70F955.3FDF721@fsi.net>   JF Mezei wrote:> >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:K > > Yes and no. Linus did his best to emulate the UN*X kernel. Linux is notd > > UN*X and UN*X is not Linux.  > M > When you look at AIX,  Tru64, HP-UX, SCO, BSD and any other commercial UnixoO > available from smaller companies, are they really all the "same" ? Does LinuxTH > really stand out out of the crowd with the only one having significant > internal differences ?  H Dunno, but I'd expect Linux to be written from the ground up to use moreE of x86's unique features than anything evolved from "the first" UNIX.i  C I'm sure others (John M.? Bill T.?) know more of the lineage of thea( variants you mentioned than I ever will.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:56:15 -0500m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>P+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articlex' Message-ID: <3F70F9BF.3A61B641@fsi.net>.   Dean Woodward wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > JF Mezei wrote:u# > >>Isn't Linux just another Unix ?0 > >3K > > Yes and no. Linus did his best to emulate the UN*X kernel. Linux is noto > > UN*X and UN*X is not Linux.B > I > And the free versions of BSD, then, which did (as I understand it) spint) > off from the pedigreed BSD source code?   F ...are "truer" to the "UNIX" pedigree, as you suggest, I should think.   -- o David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:52:43 -0700n1 From: Greg Cagle <news@*removethis*gregcagle.com>t+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articleM/ Message-ID: <vn1u7h4rtee57e@corp.supernews.com>n   Bob Ceculski wrote:   b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3F6FA2D3.9A089E0F@fsi.net>... >  >>JF Mezei wrote:d >>" >>>Isn't Linux just another Unix ? >>I >>Yes and no. Linus did his best to emulate the UN*X kernel. Linux is nots >>UN*X and UN*X is not Linux.e  B Correct. The good thing, though, is that much of the knowledge and? learned skills are transferable. If you know HP-UX, Solaris, orK1 AIX, then you know a good chunk of Linux already.a  ? > one thing they both are is GARBAGE ... and I'm not fifty yet!n  B Lots of people disagree with you, and are running mission critical$ applications on both Linux and Un*x. -- o
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:33:22 -0700e1 From: Greg Cagle <news@*removethis*gregcagle.com>h+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article / Message-ID: <vn20jo80mt31a1@corp.supernews.com>    David J. Dachtera wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >>"David J. Dachtera" wrote: >>J >>>Yes and no. Linus did his best to emulate the UN*X kernel. Linux is not >>>UN*X and UN*X is not Linux. >>M >>When you look at AIX,  Tru64, HP-UX, SCO, BSD and any other commercial UnixaO >>available from smaller companies, are they really all the "same" ? Does LinuxdH >>really stand out out of the crowd with the only one having significant >>internal differences ? >  > J > Dunno, but I'd expect Linux to be written from the ground up to use moreG > of x86's unique features than anything evolved from "the first" UNIX.7  D Disagree - Linux runs on too many chips and architectures to be that
 x86-specific.R  E > I'm sure others (John M.? Bill T.?) know more of the lineage of the * > variants you mentioned than I ever will.  > The commercial Unix variants all have their quirks but share a@ common core command set and application API. They are definitely? not the "same" but are better characterized as close relatives, G with a certain amount of inbreeding (with all that implies). OS vendors-> have been "adding value" in many areas for years, resulting inE divergent development streams and incompatibilities between versions. A They are *many* "internal differences" between the Unix variants.r   - Greg   -- g
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:48:02 +0200t( From: Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se>F Subject: Re: VMS on a simh VAX simulator, how do I get TCP/IP to work?- Message-ID: <bkq4hg$9hk$1@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>h  ( Edward Brocklesby <ejb@goth.net> writes:  ? > Andreas Davour wrote in <cs9y8whm9f6.fsf@tempo.update.uu.se>:eH >> Anyone out there who knows how to get the simulator som listen on theI >> network? Are there anything special I have to do? I'm not that good at  >> Linux networking... >nC > simh uses, by default, libpcap for its networking. You want to do  > something like:e  + OK, I have pcap installed. So far, so good.    > sim> show xq eth > ETH devices: >   0  tap0 () >   1  eth0 () >   2  eth1 () > sim> att xq eth0  G Interesting. I only see the line with eth0. I wonder about this tun/tapBF thingie. I *think* I compiled tun/tap support with my latest kernel...  H > Which will make simh use eth0 as its ethernet device.  A limitation ofG > pcap is that the host system *cannot* see packets which go out on one K > device, on the same device--so if you don't have two ethernet cards, that F > won't work too well (simh and the host won't be able to talk to eachG > other).  A while ago I wrote some preliminary code to use the tun/tapnI > driver under FreeBSD (which should also work under Linux), which uses agL > 'virtual' ethernet device to get round this problem; unfortunately I neverJ > had it in a state which was suitable for inclusion into simh.  Maybe one > day...  E Ah! So maybe it works after all, but I can't see it. Now I'll have totA find out how the heck I can connect to my dhcp assigned PC with an' "private" IP range behind a firewall...u  . > If you want to try it anyway, the code is atB > http://www.ourservers.net/~ebrocklesby/simh/sim_ether.c (replaceL > sim_ether.c with this and define USE_TUN in the makefile, then use "att xqH > /dev/net/tun").  It's for an oldish version of simh, and will probablyD > need changes to work on Linux, but you may be able to hack it into > working...  2 Interesting tweak. Maybe it's what I need. Thanks!   /andreas   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.529 ************************stance.i  D I think the only thing that might work is just to hunt them down andA kill them.  Even if it doesn't work, we'll still feel better! :^)i   -- Mikea@ --------------------------------------7.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.