1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 24 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 530       Contents:+ Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch  Adaptec 29160 and SRM  Re: Adaptec 29160 and SRM  affordable VMS Re: affordable VMSP Another question about the temporary text files used by MAIL (Was: strangeness w Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org  Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org  Re: digital basics  Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005  Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005  Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005 Re: Nice touch, AMD  Re: Nice touch, AMD D Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpuD Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpuJ Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  warsJ Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  warsJ Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  warsJ Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  warsP Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  wars cpu  ) Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer ) Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer 
 OpenVMS 7.3-2  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-2  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-2  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-2 + Re: Oracle 8.1.7.4 on VMS 7.2-2 Performance  OT: Nice touch, AMD + OT: Security report puts blame on Microsoft 4 Printer control codes for turning on/off hole punch.D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?G Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ? ?? # question about U160 Raid Controller ' Re: question about U160 Raid Controller < Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?6 Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL6 Re: Telnet binary differences between Multinet and UCX6 Re: Telnet binary differences between Multinet and UCX" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article= Re: VMS on a simh VAX simulator, how do I get TCP/IP to work? = Re: VMS on a simh VAX simulator, how do I get TCP/IP to work?  VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:04:48 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch0 Message-ID: <bkrtog$e0h$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:G > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:20:30 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >>jlsue wrote: >  > K >>>The real point is, of course, that your initial statement is wrong.  His N >>>counter-example proves that your argument lacks veracity of fact.  Thus, itL >>>would not be mis-placed criticism to ask that you back up your statement, >>>or withdraw it. >>>  >>= >>The real point is that my origional statement was correct.   >  > % > Please review your statement below:  >  >  >>>>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bjni1b$ipu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> > >>>>>>Losing market share in all their markets as HP have done >>>>>  > M > Your statement indescriminately used "all there [HP's] markets", which from B > a logic perspective, can be disproven with one single example.   >   5 Your boards letter to your shareholders refers to the 6 PC market (as a whole) the Storage market (as a whole) etc.  4 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/18jan02b.htm  I "The merger will enable us to quickly address HP's current challenges in  F the personal computer business by reducing costs, improving operating ? margins and leveraging Compaq's successful direct distribution  - capability." (Note no reference to Notebooks)   6 Do you deny that HP have lost their number one spot in the PC market (as a whole) ?  7 Do you claim that HP's operating margins have increased  in the PC business as a whole.  9 Since it is your boards claim that the merger would drive 9 business benefits because it would place HP in the number : one spot in the PC market (as a whole) it is also entirely: fair for me to do the same thing when this claim turns out to be a crock.  9 Your board doesn't make the distinction between notebooks 8 and the rest of the PC market and the measure of sucess,6 have they delivered on the promises in the letter will4 be for the whole market and not a convenient subset.  : So stop the tedious BS, if you don't like my definition of: the market take it up with Carly and your other exec board members its theirs as well.   2 Let me help you out just cut this and past it into an email to the board.   Dear HP board memeber   5 On re-reading the letter sent by the HP board to HP's 9 shareholders on the 18th of Jan 2002 I note that you used ; HP's sucess in the PC market as a whole as a measure of the  sucess of the Compaq Merger.  8 It is my humble opinion as a loyal HP advocate that this5 measure should in fact have been the PC market with a 5 separate benefit and measure for the Notebook market.   8 Would it be possible to issue a correction to the letter that reflects this.    Yours in eager anticipation  etc etc etc   	 Have fun.    Regards  Andrew Harrison J > Do you now deny the "all ... markets" claim or not?  If not, then you've? > got a lot of work to disprove the counter examples presented.  > K > And, notably, since my prevoius posting, other counter examples have been M > presented, thus disproving the initial statement of "all markets" as false.  >  > = >>If you drill down into a market and look at all its subsets : >>you can always find a ray of hope in an otherwise gloomy >>situation. >  > J > A market is a market, sub or otherwise.  Laptops have historically had aJ > little better margin than desktops, so a rise there should be a positiveA > development - assuming that the higher margins don't also erode  > significantly. >  > : >>There is no need to withdraw my statement it is correct. >  > F > No, it still says "all ... markets", and this is demonstrably false. >  > : >>I do like the idea that you should unreservedly withdraw8 >>something that turns out to have no factaul basis. You) >>have a few postings to make, get to it.  >> >  > J > Typical andrew.  You've got a real deficiency in self-analysis.  I don'tM > make personal attacks, only analysis of your statements on logical grounds. K > Since you apparently can't compete in that area of thought, you resort to C > such silly attacks.  Of course, once again you can't support your E > statements (demonstrating yet another typical method of operation).  >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 08:17:18 -0700* From: chris@groupinfo.com (Chris Szilagyi) Subject: Adaptec 29160 and SRM= Message-ID: <2aab79d7.0309240717.1264b1d9@posting.google.com>    Hello,  C I'm trying to get some information on whether an Adaptec 29160 will @ work in our Alpha (264DP machine with dual EV6 500 MHz).  We areE running Red Hat Linux 7.2 and using the SRM with aboot.  The question D I have is, will an Adaptec 29160 work with some version of the SRM? @ Right now the system doesn't appear to see the card or the disksD attached to it.  We already have a Linux kernel with support for allB Adaptec cards, so the hurdle is to get the SRM to see the card andD disks attached to it.  Is this possible??  Thanks in advance for all feedback...    -- Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 17:42:09 +0200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) " Subject: Re: Adaptec 29160 and SRM+ Message-ID: <LetFXerJsh0U@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   j In article <2aab79d7.0309240717.1264b1d9@posting.google.com>, chris@groupinfo.com (Chris Szilagyi) writes:E > I'm trying to get some information on whether an Adaptec 29160 will B > work in our Alpha (264DP machine with dual EV6 500 MHz).  We areG > running Red Hat Linux 7.2 and using the SRM with aboot.  The question F > I have is, will an Adaptec 29160 work with some version of the SRM? B > Right now the system doesn't appear to see the card or the disksF > attached to it.  We already have a Linux kernel with support for allD > Adaptec cards, so the hurdle is to get the SRM to see the card andF > disks attached to it.  Is this possible??  Thanks in advance for all
 > feedback...     < No, I don't know the answer - but would like to ask the VMS - community: Is this adapter working with VMS ? < I'm interested even if no SRM support to connect a DLT80 to 	 a XP1000.     --  >    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 08:31:56 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: affordable VMS 3 Message-ID: <bMlR5crgRxDb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:$ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/     ;   How's $5K hit ya?  A developer's platform, with software.   E   No, that's not an official price quote, just something I'm hearing.   A   In comparison the Dell sitting behind me cost $4.5K without any    compilers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:47:52 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: affordable VMS ' Message-ID: <3F71D8C8.2030404@MMaz.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:  * >>Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:$ >>http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    >>     >> > < >  How's $5K hit ya?  A developer's platform, with software. > F >  No, that's not an official price quote, just something I'm hearing. > B >  In comparison the Dell sitting behind me cost $4.5K without any
 >  compilers.  >    > H Are we talking apples to apples here regarding the hardware?  I find it E really hard to believe that HP's going to have a box that is equally  E provisioned as a Dell system, plus VMS, plus compilers!  Can they do  B that, sure, that would be awesome, but I have my serious doubts...   Barry      --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:32:29 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.comY Subject: Another question about the temporary text files used by MAIL (Was: strangeness w ? Message-ID: <OF95879698.D86F661D-ON85256DAB.005FB59D@metso.com>   K I had a detached process that executed the MAIL command, and was getting an  ERROR deletingA a file of the form SYS$SCRATCH:[username]MAIL_203470C7_SEND.TMP;1 ? because the detached process had no definition for SYS$SCRATCH. G (I assume the actual file spec it was trying to delete was SYS$SCRATCH:  MAIL_203470C7_SEND.TMP;1, F but because SYS$SCRATCH was not translatable, it was taken as a device name.)  1 I added the definition and the message went away.    My question is:   I Where did the file that could not be deleted get written before I defined  SYS$SCRATCH?  I Note that I got no error about not being able to create the file, and the   mail command worked as expected.      J From:  helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to$        reply) on 09/20/2003 04:27 PM  J Please respond to helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove        CLOTHES to reply)   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:   > Subject:    strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL    G Each user has SYS$SCRATCH defined as DISK$SCRATCH:[USERNAME].  MAIL has E EDT as the editor.  From most accounts, after exiting a file composed D with SEND/EDIT to send the message, I see something like this on the screen:   2    DISK$SCRATCH:[USERNAME]MAIL_203470C7_SEND.TMP;1  G However, from one account I don't.  The file IS written to disk and the > message is sent, though.  Output of SHOW TERMINAL is the same.  
 Any ideas?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:19:07 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org4 Message-ID: <3f716191$0$27023$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  I Ken, you may consider to gather all VMS Freeware CD procedures, and also  G ask HP VMS Eng if they could release their internal Software DCL Tools   clearinghouse.  : I prepare for you a package of my DCL procs since 1983 :-)   D.   Ken Farmer wrote:   ( > Anyone finding dcl.OpenVMS.org useful? > I > The site needs more submissions.  If you get a chance please post a few ) > procedures to share with the community.  > * > Any suggestions or comments are welcome. >  > -- > Kenneth Farmer  <><  > SpyderByte.com > " > EnterpriseUnix.org  |  Tru64.org! > OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org & > EnterpriseLinux.org  |  LinuxHPC.org >  >  >    --  - Didier Morandi sarl au capital de 8 000 euros                      Tout VMS.   5 avenue Albert Durand, 31700 Blagnac France.   Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287  Fax: 33(0)5 6171 3500&           http://www.didiermorandi.com$             RCS Toulouse 448 694 851   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:47:02 GMT 2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org< Message-ID: <Wufcb.17336$Af4.12546@twister.southeast.rr.com>  5 "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message + news:03092316183084@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... * > > Anyone finding dcl.OpenVMS.org useful? > 3 > I have not found anything - other than DCL_CHECK.   F Exactly my point.  The site needs more procedures.  Several were added
 yesterday.    K > I would create an index for the items - rather than post next pages, etc. I > Treating them as stories as in "Top 5 Stories" and "Older Stories" is a  bit F > misleading.  These items are not stories but useful tools and hints.  K Yea, I using a weblog until I get a decent amount of procedures.  I'll then J switch to something more like freshmeat.net.  I didn't want to put 100s ofK hours into it until I knew people would use it.  We'll get there one day at  a time.   D > You may also want to link into other points - such as the WIZARD &	 Freeware. F > There is a wealth of knowledge there that could be dumped into this. Also, 3 > openvms.org has a lot of information on "how to".   I I'll start adding more links today.  Feel free to send any url's you know  of.   K > IMHO - I find 99 bottles not an item I would have posted - not to raise a  stink K > - just do not feel like it is a useful tool - other than it demonstrating  how  > to do loops.  @ At the time it was better than what I was getting...very little.  K > The HINTS I use to remind myself on how to execute certain commands for a 2 > desired effect - things I use once a year or so.   Post it.  E > The SNIPPETS is a collection of DCL lines of code that I can use to  acheive the 0 > first day of the month, pipe to a symbol, etc.   Post it.  L > My thoughts are that dcl.openvms.org should be like php.net - a collection of. > DCL tools and snippets of DCL code.  Hmmmmmm  I Exactly what I want it to be over time.  I just need to see some interest  before I bust my chops.    Thanks for your input.  :)   kf   --     -- Kenneth Farmer  <><  OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org   EnterpriseUnix.org  |  Tru64.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:55:47 -0400 & From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> Subject: Re: digital basics / Message-ID: <vn2u75orj5a2ee@news.supernews.com>   J I believe they went "belly-up" as did a lot a oversized dealers in the DEC marketplace    David         : "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@comcast.net> wrote in message9 news:PBEDIAGOKEDCKCLPJKAFIEGPCBAA.hvanderw@comcast.net... E > Does anyone know what happened to this company??   Used to be a DEC  resellerI > in Minnesota. Also sold brand "X" drives and raid boxes.  I have one of ; > their raid boxes and am trying to find out more about it.  >  > TIA  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:11:34 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005 0 Message-ID: <bkru57$e5f$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <bkmk8o$gck$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>1 >>>That is an Oracle business practices question.  >>>  >>>  >> >>No >  > I >    What Oracle charges for any computer, and why, is an Oracle business  >    practices question. >   ) ohh dear thanks for stating the obvious !   > Of course what Oracle charges for a computer is their businessE however what Oracle currently charge on is License x Number of CPU's.   C So if you have a die with 2 cores that appears to the OS and Oracle C as 2 CPU's then you incure a License x 2 x the number of dies cost.   A If you have a dies with 2 cores that appears to the OS and Oracle = as 1 CPU then you incure a License x 1 x nubmer of dies cost.   $ Now for the tricky bit (apparently).  D Whether the each die appears as 1 or 2 CPU's to the OS and Oracle is entirely a technical issue.   @ I hope this clears up your apparent confusion, let me know if it doesn't.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 08:04:04 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005 3 Message-ID: <ppKuqriTa9lD@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <bkru57$e5f$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > + > ohh dear thanks for stating the obvious !   D    If it was so obvious, then why have you been disagreeing with it?  @ > Of course what Oracle charges for a computer is their businessG > however what Oracle currently charge on is License x Number of CPU's.   D    Since they're not yet dealing with dual core chips, their currentF    practices don't predict how they will deal with them when they come    out.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:47:04 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005 0 Message-ID: <bks78o$heb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <bkru57$e5f$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > + >>ohh dear thanks for stating the obvious !  >  > F >    If it was so obvious, then why have you been disagreeing with it? >  > @ >>Of course what Oracle charges for a computer is their businessG >>however what Oracle currently charge on is License x Number of CPU's.  >  > F >    Since they're not yet dealing with dual core chips, their currentH >    practices don't predict how they will deal with them when they come	 >    out.  >   B Ohhhhhhhhhhh Yeeeeeessssssssss Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeey Areeeeeeeeeeeeee   How about Power 4 Dual core now ; Xeon              Sort of dual core now, appears as 2 CPU's   5 For Power 4 oracle currently charge as if the die has 4 two CPU's unless its in a P690 HPC which has 1/2 the8 cores disabled to allow each core to have 2x L2 and 2xL3* cache, they then charge for 1 CPU per die.  6 So there is a model currently which is dual core which2 the OS sees as 2 CPU's = 2 x the licenseing costs.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:31:18 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Nice touch, AMD2 Message-ID: <G3qdndAge6jr7-yiXTWJig@metrocast.net>  ; "mist dragon" <mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com> wrote in message 7 news:7500353b.0309240031.53a6dfa7@posting.google.com...    ...   @ > Especially I liked the touch of being native 32 and 64. Now anF > existing 32 bit operating system can be modified slightly to be able/ > to execute 64 bit process on 32 bit platform.   K I think you're confused.  While AMD64 allows a 64-bit OS to run both 64-bit K and 32-bit programs (the latter in a backward-compatible 32-bit environment L that allows existing IA32 binaries to run unchanged), I don't think it wouldI allow a 32-bit OS to run 64-bit applications (if for no other reason than C that the 32-bit OS execution environment may well not be capable of K executing the required processor instructions to support that).  And unlike E the situation with the 386 (when the 16-bit address space was getting G uncomfortably tight for *many* uses and 32-bit applications were fairly G desperately needed before Microsoft had a 32-bit OS to run them), there ) seems to be little need for such a beast.   E But it is nice to see the 2.2 GHz parts out, with SPECint performance I noticeably better than both Pentium/Xeons and the top-of-the-line Itanics H (and a reduction in core voltage to 1.5v. that suggests they have a fairK amount of headroom left to continue increasing clock rates before moving to  a 90 nm. process next year).   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 06:30:48 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) Subject: Re: Nice touch, AMD= Message-ID: <7500353b.0309240530.6c355e38@posting.google.com>   M > I think you're confused.  While AMD64 allows a 64-bit OS to run both 64-bit M > and 32-bit programs (the latter in a backward-compatible 32-bit environment N > that allows existing IA32 binaries to run unchanged), I don't think it would/ > allow a 32-bit OS to run 64-bit applications    ! Not quite so much as you think :)   D What you need is an os with modified to take this on account. If youE read the specs of win64 announcement today, it is in fact modified so A that the base o/s is running 32 bit, but it has WOW64 (windows on B windows) shell, that when activated switches to 64 bit mode. A bit' like WOW16 that runs 16 bit apps on 32.    M    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:09:13 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>M Subject: Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu / Message-ID: <00A265FB.9AA38C22.3@tachysoft.com>    >>D >> What are you talking about ? An Alpha laptop was produced in 1995" >>  from Tadpole - the ALPHABOOK-1 > K >I know. As I recall, the underside was too hot for one to consider placing M >the machine on an uninsulated surface (ie. one wouldn't place it directly on D >a wooden desk or other common household furnature without having an+ >insulator (desk blotter, etc.) beneath it.  >     O Or in your lap, which of course is a typical location for a laptop.  If you do, 6 you need some pretty heavily insulated underwear.  :-)  K Seriously, though, it isn't *that* hot.  I don't think a wooden table would N burst into flames or anything.  I lay mine directly on tables and haven't seen any scorch marks yet.   J I mainly use mine for my quarterly trips to dallas, so that I can continueK working at my mom's house.  I snapshot my current source trees and download O them into the alphabook, then upload any changes back to the master root when I N get back home.  I can do editing and builds on the alphabook, but not testing.I I could test using my virtual tape drives and jukeboxes if the disk space C wasn't so limited, just 1 gig for everything, vms and all my stuff.    Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== N Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:45:53 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>M Subject: Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu ) Message-ID: <3F71CA3F.273FF201@istop.com>    Wayne Sewell wrote: Q > Or in your lap, which of course is a typical location for a laptop.  If you do, 8 > you need some pretty heavily insulated underwear.  :-)    N Then they should have marketed the Tappole laptops to countries such as CanadaI and Russia, and perhaps northen China, where warmth in that area would be  appreciated in winter :-)   L And then perhaps write a program that exercises the disk drive in such a way- as to turn it into a vibrator :-) :-) :-) :-)    Hey, its all about marketing...    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2003 22:44:40 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) S Subject: Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  wars = Message-ID: <734da31c.0309232144.3779bbd8@posting.google.com>   s mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) wrote in message news:<7500353b.0309231150.59278b0d@posting.google.com>... F > > PA-RISC is just as EOL as Alpha (if you don't know that, then your. > > credibility on these issues seem scarce).  >  > Live and learn :)  >  > [clip] > R > > Those who buy Itaniums today buy them for new systems, not to replace systems. > D > I disagree. Force to switch <> ability to switch. Ability has beenH > long time, but willingness not. There is no denial that the success of+ > the switch has been less than phenomenal.   ? There has been no reason for customers to switch yet. There are E probably applications that have not been ported yet and most of those C who have Alpha and PA-RISC systems have their performance they need D currently. I even think many might buy the last generations of AlphaC (EV79) and PA-RISC before they start to consider Itanium to replace  systems.  G > Btw, according the news today, one of the main supporters of AMD64 is  > HP :)   A Well, that was not news to me. HP have said that for a long time.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:02:19 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukS Subject: Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  wars ) Message-ID: <bkpuar$pem$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   m In article <LoXbb.99655$DZ.45799@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >JF Mezei wrote: >>H >> Now, if Intel really wanted to take the world by storm, it would haveE >> the ex Digital Alpha engineers to covertly restart Alpha, and when C >> ready with what would be a revamped EV8, Intel can then announce 3 >> Alpha chips scalable from laptop to data centre.  > M >They always have been...it's just that the cooling requirements for a laptop  >Alpha are a bit daunting. >   N What are you talking about ? An Alpha laptop was produced in 1995 from Tadpole  - the ALPHABOOK-1      O It's IA64 which has power and heat problems when it comes to producing laptops.     K >Now if they advertised an Alpha laptop as a computerized coffee cup warmer   >maybe they'd get somewhere. ;-) >  >  >   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:30:32 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> S Subject: Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  wars I Message-ID: <I7gcb.108077$DZ.103723@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  > In articleD > <LoXbb.99655$DZ.45799@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John! > Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> D >>> Now, if Intel really wanted to take the world by storm, it wouldF >>> have the ex Digital Alpha engineers to covertly restart Alpha, and@ >>> when ready with what would be a revamped EV8, Intel can then= >>> announce Alpha chips scalable from laptop to data centre.  >>F >> They always have been...it's just that the cooling requirements for% >> a laptop Alpha are a bit daunting.  >> > C > What are you talking about ? An Alpha laptop was produced in 1995 ! >  from Tadpole - the ALPHABOOK-1   J I know. As I recall, the underside was too hot for one to consider placingL the machine on an uninsulated surface (ie. one wouldn't place it directly onC a wooden desk or other common household furnature without having an * insulator (desk blotter, etc.) beneath it.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 03 18:11:50 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) S Subject: Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  wars ) Message-ID: <$tU7mDKLH0qB@elias.decus.ch>   n In article <NA0cb.101098$DZ.87328@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:" > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
 >> In article E >> <LoXbb.99655$DZ.45799@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John " >> Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >>> JF Mezei wrote:  >>>>E >>>> Now, if Intel really wanted to take the world by storm, it would G >>>> have the ex Digital Alpha engineers to covertly restart Alpha, and A >>>> when ready with what would be a revamped EV8, Intel can then > >>>> announce Alpha chips scalable from laptop to data centre. >>> G >>> They always have been...it's just that the cooling requirements for & >>> a laptop Alpha are a bit daunting. >>> G >>> Now if they advertised an Alpha laptop as a computerized coffee cup * >>> warmer maybe they'd get somewhere. ;-) >>B >> ...and with the power requirements and dissipation of IPF???  A
 >> coffee cup  >> plasma generator perhaps? >  >  > Fusion reaction initiator. >  FRI for short.     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:00:11 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> Y Subject: Re: Obi Van VMS, you are our only hope, says princess Itanium on cpu  wars cpu   0 Message-ID: <bks4gr$gdp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   John Smith wrote: ! > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  >  >>In articleD >><LoXbb.99655$DZ.45799@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John! >>Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >> >>>JF Mezei wrote: >>> D >>>>Now, if Intel really wanted to take the world by storm, it wouldF >>>>have the ex Digital Alpha engineers to covertly restart Alpha, and@ >>>>when ready with what would be a revamped EV8, Intel can then= >>>>announce Alpha chips scalable from laptop to data centre.  >>> F >>>They always have been...it's just that the cooling requirements for% >>>a laptop Alpha are a bit daunting.  >>>  >>C >>What are you talking about ? An Alpha laptop was produced in 1995 ! >> from Tadpole - the ALPHABOOK-1  >  > L > I know. As I recall, the underside was too hot for one to consider placingN > the machine on an uninsulated surface (ie. one wouldn't place it directly onE > a wooden desk or other common household furnature without having an , > insulator (desk blotter, etc.) beneath it. >  >   F Tadpole used to be based opposite Sun here in Cambridge, they also did the SPARCbook.  B I have tried an ALPHAbook and you were best advised to put it on aB desk and not rest it on your knees unless you had plenty of layers  on, ski wear that sort of thing.  < Still on a very cold day I guess it would have had its uses.   Man saved by notebook !    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:17:38 GMT & From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com>2 Subject: Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer& Message-ID: <3F718B61.C26AA94B@hp.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > G > Is there a variant of the DELETE command to remove a file and all its  > links in one go?  L There's nothing built into VMS, but you can use a FIDded file specification L to find or delete them all fairly easily. To delete "primary.txt" and all of its hard links, you can do:   (    $ dir/nohead/notrail/file primary.txt#    primary.txt;1        (26195,6,0)   0    $ delete/log DISK$ODS5:[*...]foo[26195,6,0];*O    %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DISK$ODS5:[JOSH.TEMP.a]primary[26195,6,0].txt;1 deleted (3  blocks) N    %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DISK$ODS5:[JOSH.TEMP.b]secondary[26195,6,0].txt;1 deleted
 (3 blocks).    %DELETE-I-TOTAL, 2 files deleted (6 blocks)   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 07:36:31 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 2 Subject: Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer3 Message-ID: <jyCbvKDKfSE9@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  O In article <3F718B61.C26AA94B@hp.com>, Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com> writes:- > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >> eH >> Is there a variant of the DELETE command to remove a file and all its >> links in one go?s > N > There's nothing built into VMS, but you can use a FIDded file specification N > to find or delete them all fairly easily. To delete "primary.txt" and all of > its hard links, you can do:N > * >    $ dir/nohead/notrail/file primary.txt% >    primary.txt;1        (26195,6,0)r > 2 >    $ delete/log DISK$ODS5:[*...]foo[26195,6,0];*Q >    %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DISK$ODS5:[JOSH.TEMP.a]primary[26195,6,0].txt;1 deleted (3w	 > blocks)rP >    %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DISK$ODS5:[JOSH.TEMP.b]secondary[26195,6,0].txt;1 deleted > (3 blocks)0 >    %DELETE-I-TOTAL, 2 files deleted (6 blocks)   Neat trick !   Thanks Josh.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:31:03 +0000 (UTC) ) From: "Jeff" <dirkdiggler@totalise.co.uk>s Subject: OpenVMS 7.3-20 Message-ID: <bkrko7$7mv$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  B Does anybody have a date for shipping of OpenVMS 7.3-2 for Alpha ?  C All I can find on the HP web site is 'Q4', does anybody have a more  definitive date ?t   Many Thanks,   Ja   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 08:01:22 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-23 Message-ID: <zl12AfApcfGj@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  \ In article <bkrko7$7mv$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, "Jeff" <dirkdiggler@totalise.co.uk> writes:D > Does anybody have a date for shipping of OpenVMS 7.3-2 for Alpha ? > E > All I can find on the HP web site is 'Q4', does anybody have a moreu > definitive date ?d  H    Heard yesterday in an open forum:  October/November.  That's a little!    smaller than Q4, but not much.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:47:36 -0400e) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>r Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-29 Message-ID: <Mngcb.4177$1H3.308797@news20.bellglobal.com>n  4 "Jeff" <dirkdiggler@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message* news:bkrko7$7mv$1@sparta.btinternet.com...D > Does anybody have a date for shipping of OpenVMS 7.3-2 for Alpha ? >tE > All I can find on the HP web site is 'Q4', does anybody have a more  > definitive date ?H >i > Many Thanks, >cE I was my understanding that it would be released sometime in October.l  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,- Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/e6 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/vms_vs_unix.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:21:23 GMTh, From: Mark Jilson <jilly@clarityconnect.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-2@ Message-ID: <84ee2fdcd7223beab70d02e4c289c25b@news.teranews.com>   Jeff wrote:h  D > Does anybody have a date for shipping of OpenVMS 7.3-2 for Alpha ? > E > All I can find on the HP web site is 'Q4', does anybody have a moret > definitive date ?r >  > Many Thanks, >  > Jp  L At this point in time Q4 can only be narrowed down to late October or later.   -- hC Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYoH       - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine fanH       - Mark.Jilson@hp.com                            - since 1975 or soH       - http://www.jilly.baka.com           - http://www.brettbodine.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:02:11 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>4 Subject: Re: Oracle 8.1.7.4 on VMS 7.2-2 Performance2 Message-ID: <bkrc9s$a2v$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Dirk Munk wrote: > Vinit Adya wrote:- > E >> We have noticed that a query like "select * from dual;" takes mucheD >> longer on OpenVMS than on Windows based PC. (Did the opetation 1MH >> times and compared the results...) It takes twice as long and it usesB >> 100% of one on the cpu on alpha. on intel it is 3 times faster. >>@ >> Any ideas what might be wrong (with VMS or this test itself?) >> >> Regards,s >> Vinit > I > Older versions of Oracle were better adapted to run on VMS, but Oracle c8 > removed much of the VMS specific speed improving code. > K > Having said that, please take a look at the mailbox size Oracle is using n# > and maybe at the biolim settings.m > J > Oracle uses mailboxes to transfer data to and from user programs to the K > database engine. Using big mailboxes will improve the speed quite a bit.  K > For that purpose there are some special Oracle logicals you can set, you tG > can find them somewhere in the Oracle VMS manuals (I don't have them h > here right now). > & > Increasing the BIOLIM may also help. > K > What kind of disk subsystem are you using ? Todays PCs can be quite fast eK > with just IDE disks. The conventional Qlogic SCSI controllers of a Alpha   > are not really that fast.. >  One more addition:  N You may also have to look at the MAXBOBMEM parameters in Sysgen, if those are D applicable in VMS 7.2-2. These parameters are obsolete in VMS 7.3-1.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 01:31:54 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) Subject: OT: Nice touch, AMD= Message-ID: <7500353b.0309240031.53a6dfa7@posting.google.com>a  D AMD64 is here and signed up by 60 vendors, including HP. InterestingA to see how they line up the 64 bit strategy and how sales can say5 which one to choose.  > Especially I liked the touch of being native 32 and 64. Now anD existing 32 bit operating system can be modified slightly to be ableC to execute 64 bit process on 32 bit platform. This makes porting ofaD windoze (wow64) and sun x86 solaris easy. And well, linux is already native 64 on amd.t  F Sorry, nothing for vms. Unless of course charon-vax will create 64 bit& sessions to these operating systems :)   Me   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:24:23 -0400t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: OT: Security report puts blame on Microsoft) Message-ID: <3F713896.A9F3D7C8@istop.com>t  v > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1804&ncid=738&e=10&u=/washpost/20030924/tc_washpost/a54872_2003sep23  K A report to be released by the Computer Communications Industry Association,J (and anti Microsoft group) will show how Microsoft is at fault for all the viruses etc.  ' The home page for that organisation is:o   http://www.ccianet.org  H This web site seems to be chockful of examples of failures/problems withK wintel crap, information which could be of use to those few remaining soulse< who still have some motivation to try to sell VMS solutions.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 10:29:34 -0700! From: bri4kat@knology.net (Brian)r= Subject: Printer control codes for turning on/off hole punch.p= Message-ID: <452b3f53.0309240929.14ebe753@posting.google.com>r   Hello!!!  uC I have a problem. I have a queue set up that prints several reports B daily. A couple of the reports need to be printed with holes and aC couple without. The hole punch is physically turned on and I need atE control code/initialization string to send to the printer to turn the.
 punch off.   Anybody have an idea?a   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:29:15 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukM Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?g) Message-ID: <bks2mr$hsu$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>e  U In article <3F70934A.3C36DD45@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:n >  >= >Bill Gunshannon wrote:= >> =. >> In article <3F6FE435.177A5C96@pacbell.net>,4 >>         Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes: >> > >> > >> >L >> > You mean you don't point to any mail, or default, gateway IP?? How does* >> > your mail know where the next hop is? >> =I >> You are obviously confusing Mail with TCPIP.  Mail doesn't "hop".  TheoK >> originator can contact the destination directly and deliver the message.e >0D >How do you "contact the destination directly" without going thru at! >least one of your ISP's routers?y >pG >> Many places run outgoing mail servers but few of them actually blockm2 >> outgoing traffic on port 25 for other machines. >> uI >> >                                       I run my own server too, but IyJ >> > have to declare at least the address of my router and my router has a. >> > default gateway address, which is my ISP. >> a1 >> Which has absolutely nothing to do with Email.r >wG >You may be correct in theory, but I don't believe my simple router cant9 >send anything anywhere without going thru that gateway. n >a  L You are correct in that the TCPIP packets need to know what route to follow N to get anywhere. However what sort of logging does the average default gatewayN perform. I'd doubt it was anywhere near sophisticated enough for this proposed type of billing.  J You would need to log not only connections to port 25 but also whether theK transfer of the message completed successfully. This is not as simple as it9 sounds. G Badly configured mail systems,overloaded mail systems (or those behind nO certain firewalls which by default employ certain questionable security methodsdB with smtp ) can often have timeout issues when dealing with large # mails or large lists of recipients.yL This can lead to the sending system not receiving an acknowledgment that theL receiving system has completely received the message and therefore having noM option but to retry sending the message later. Hence this results in messagessL being delivered multiple times. The problem is with the receiving system butM unless you are very careful in this billing scheme the sender would be billedr for all these message retries.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >> f >> > >> >>tH >> >> What will be your reaction when you find that your home system gotE >> >> infected by a virus that sent a commercial e-mail to 27 millionsL >> >> addresses while you were at the beach over the weekend?  Will you just2 >> >> pay the $270,000.00 bill your ISP sends you? >> >>r >> >M >> > Of course you would have simple safegards, like decaring a maximum numerr= >> > of outbound emails per day without further confirmation.x >> k' >> Where do you do that in MS Outhouse?w >.' >No, you would set it up with your ISP.t >< >> y >> bill  >> s >> -- M >> Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves G >> bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.a >> University of Scranton   |uA >> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>a >  >--  >o >Have VMS, Will Travel >Wire paladin, San Francisco >t >(paladinATalphaseDOTcom)n   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 07:58:49 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?o3 Message-ID: <apQj2QCMBZsn@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  c In article <D6mnWeLbf4It@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: s > In article <$nCXfMVRS9R4@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:e >> 3F >>    MacOS used to be well known for virus problems.  I don't know ifF >>    Apple really fixed them, or the script kiddies just don't target >>    them.b > G > I never got one, but I don't run software gathered over the Internet,x" > including JavaScript, Java, etc.  F   Sneakernet.  Back before common use of the internet, no JavaScript,    no Java, ...   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 09:49:03 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)eM Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ? 3 Message-ID: <mFjNkcfiUJi5@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  q In article <apQj2QCMBZsn@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:ue > In article <D6mnWeLbf4It@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:at >> In article <$nCXfMVRS9R4@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>> G >>>    MacOS used to be well known for virus problems.  I don't know if G >>>    Apple really fixed them, or the script kiddies just don't targeti >>>    them. >> nH >> I never got one, but I don't run software gathered over the Internet,# >> including JavaScript, Java, etc.r > H >   Sneakernet.  Back before common use of the internet, no JavaScript,  >   no Java, ...  H Starting with the Macintosh SE in 1987, I have also eschewed that sourceJ for software, running only software bought from a reputable vendor.  WhileL there have been cases of viruses propagated that way, I have not gotten any.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:59:47 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> P Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ? ??0 Message-ID: <bkrme3$b8u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:s > In article <$nCXfMVRS9R4@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:> > s >>In article <477e0934.0309230702.2874cf3b@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes:  >>D >>>Not a solution.  Most OS'es have holes.  The virus writers targetI >>>whatever the mainstream OS is because that is how they get the highesteF >>>infection rate.  If we all switched over to Apple instead, then theA >>>virus writers would target MacOS and poke holes all over that.  >>E >>   MacOS used to be well known for virus problems.  I don't know if E >>   Apple really fixed them, or the script kiddies just don't targetn
 >>   them. >  > G > I never got one, but I don't run software gathered over the Internet,r" > including JavaScript, Java, etc.      A Do you use a Windows OS and do you connect at all to the Internetw using it ???  > If you do then disabling JavaScript, Java etc is just security= window dressing and mostly misplaced at that, you have a muche. bigger problem that you havn't tackled at all.  1 Ignore this if you don't use Windows for anythinge   Regardsl Andrew Harrisonc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:51:21 -04008& From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>, Subject: question about U160 Raid Controller/ Message-ID: <vn2tupni55gr43@news.supernews.com>o  8 Installing a KZPDC on a DS10. 2 x 18GB 10KRPM U160 disks  J Docs say nothing about initialization time of the controller for hd's likeH the old KZPAC you knew it would take about an hour for 2 x 9GB mirrored.B When I say initialization time, I mean the controller delaying theE availability of the HDs to OpenVMS to actually be  a bootable device.oI We are installing VMS 7.3-1 (supported) with the latest f/w loaded (2.94)o: None of the disks (yes all U160 or U2 - tried both setups)  9 The controller says nothing of "preparing the disks" etc.   , Anyone know anything about this controller ?  K My guess is it'll take a few minutes but so far nothing has been successful   ( (oh - yes we did the set boot bios pya0)   DT   --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporationd 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180t Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402- Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.net    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 08:11:44 -0700) From: oliver.steeples@compaq.com (Oliver)70 Subject: Re: question about U160 Raid Controller= Message-ID: <e5029990.0309240711.6d9acc8f@posting.google.com>f  D When you run bios pya0 you should get the menu to create the logical( disk, the disks are init'd once created.  F You will need an init after exitint ORCA (Option ROM Configuration for# Arrays) for the devices to be seen.   E You also need to install the acuxe kit on the OS to be able to manage5 the disks properly./  . Make sure you set the graphics type to serial:  F When ORCA (Option ROM Configuration for Arrays) is used in conjunctionE with serial console, pressing the space key might cause ORCA to hang.tF Recovery is possible by turning the system power off and then back on.B The console device list is not updated after running the ORCA BIOSF emulator. After invoking ORCA to add or delete a logical drive, a userA issuing the "show device" command will not see output necessarily E representative of their actual configuration. The console device list6E that exists prior to invoking ORCA remains after ORCA is run.The INITVB command has to be executed at the console prompt to get the device
 list updated.wB Thirty two logical units is the maximum possible number of logical@ drives that can be configured on a Smart Array 5300A controller.= When executing a BIOS function after the following message ise	 received: ) Press F8 to run the options config.......a Press ESC to skip .............b   Regards,	    Olivero  ] "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in message news:<vn2tupni55gr43@news.supernews.com>...n: > Installing a KZPDC on a DS10. 2 x 18GB 10KRPM U160 disks > L > Docs say nothing about initialization time of the controller for hd's likeJ > the old KZPAC you knew it would take about an hour for 2 x 9GB mirrored.D > When I say initialization time, I mean the controller delaying theG > availability of the HDs to OpenVMS to actually be  a bootable device.eK > We are installing VMS 7.3-1 (supported) with the latest f/w loaded (2.94)n< > None of the disks (yes all U160 or U2 - tried both setups) > ; > The controller says nothing of "preparing the disks" etc.u > . > Anyone know anything about this controller ? > M > My guess is it'll take a few minutes but so far nothing has been successful- > * > (oh - yes we did the set boot bios pya0) >  > DT >  > -- - > David B Turner! > Island Computers US Corporationn > 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  > Savannah GA 31404' > Tel: 912 447 6622m > Fax: 912 201 0402e > Email: dbturner@hpaq.net > http://www.hpaq.nete   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 07:39:06 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgE Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open? 3 Message-ID: <A0RJ0D8IbeUB@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  V In article <3F70E940.354F9C8F@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:D >> >I'm wanting to know if there's a way in DCL to check to see if aG >> >particular file is open so I can close it under certain conditions.f > & > $OPEN/read/write myfile thefile.data >  . >  . >  . >  .5 > $OPEN/WRITE/NOSHARE/ERROR=opened temp1 thefile.datad > $CLOSE temp1 > $goto rest_of_jobe > $!
 > $OPENED: > $close myfilet > $! > $rest_of_job:  > L > In other words, try to open the file again. If it fails, it means that the > file has already been opened.   E If you try to re-open an already open file, the second open is a NOOP  that will not fail.   3 In addition, the /NOSHARE qualifier does not exist.k   $ OPEN Q XYZ.DAT /WRITE  $ OPEN Q XYZ.DAT /READ /WRITE- $ OPEN Q NO.SUCH.FILE- $ OPEN Q HAMSTER.DAT $ WRITE Q "HI THERE"	 $ CLOSE Qe $ TYPE XYZ.DAT HI THERE  H I have learned to play it safe and prefix most of my DCL procedures with some simple code code like:b  = $ IF F$TRNLNM ( "INPUT_FILE" ) .NES. "" THEN CLOSE INPUT_FILE-? $ IF F$TRNLNM ( "OUTPUT_FILE" ) .NES. "" THEN CLOSE OUTPUT_FILE0  D It is embarrassing to control-Y out of a procedure during debugging,@ and re-execute only to discover you've picked up halfway through your input file.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:02:27 GMTe- From: "labadie" <tonari_no_tottoro@127.0.0.1>nE Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?o2 Message-ID: <DBgcb.5525$0d1.3984@news.cpqcorp.net>  > "Robert Alan Byer" <byer@mail.ourservers.net> wrote in message7 news:c4bfc78e.0309231214.4dc87c00@posting.google.com...n > Hi...< >rH > I have a DCL script that opens three files for reading and writing andB > I'm wanting to know if there's a way in DCL to check to see if aE > particular file is open so I can close it under certain conditions.t >dD > I can just "close" the file, but I have some particular conditionsH > where closing one would cause the rest to hang and vise-versa and feel > that if Io@ > can check to see what's open it could save some lines of code. >rB > (I dont' want to code multiple rules for closing the files under+ > different situations if at all possible.)u >l > Thanks   Helloe  G While the previous posters have well explained how to check, I am a bitvF surprised that you may not know if a file has been opened by yourself.  8 Maybe you should just explain what you want to achieve ?   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:10:23 +0200a) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl>eE Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?t6 Message-ID: <3f7197bf$0$58705$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:pX > In article <3F70E940.354F9C8F@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > D >>>>I'm wanting to know if there's a way in DCL to check to see if aG >>>>particular file is open so I can close it under certain conditions.  >>  
     [ . . . ]    > J > I have learned to play it safe and prefix most of my DCL procedures with > some simple code code like:  > ? > $ IF F$TRNLNM ( "INPUT_FILE" ) .NES. "" THEN CLOSE INPUT_FILE A > $ IF F$TRNLNM ( "OUTPUT_FILE" ) .NES. "" THEN CLOSE OUTPUT_FILE    I would do it like this:   $ CLOSE/NOLOG INPUT_FILE $ CLOSE/NOLOG OUTPUT_FILEr   > F > It is embarrassing to control-Y out of a procedure during debugging,B > and re-execute only to discover you've picked up halfway through > your input file. >  > 	John Briggs  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 08:09:23 -0700. From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb)E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?o= Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0309240709.5713b726@posting.google.com>   s spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0309231908.3d2f05fb@posting.google.com>... x > byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) wrote in message news:<c4bfc78e.0309231214.4dc87c00@posting.google.com>...	 > > Hi...e > > J > > I have a DCL script that opens three files for reading and writing andD > > I'm wanting to know if there's a way in DCL to check to see if aG > > particular file is open so I can close it under certain conditions.l > > F > > I can just "close" the file, but I have some particular conditionsJ > > where closing one would cause the rest to hang and vise-versa and feel
 > > that if IdB > > can check to see what's open it could save some lines of code. > > D > > (I dont' want to code multiple rules for closing the files under- > > different situations if at all possible.)d > > 
 > > Thanks >  > D > A little more detail would be helpful. Actually, a lot more detail > would be helpful. :-)  > B > Can you give a sample of your OPEN statements? If you write themD > right, you should be able to save the name of the opened file in a	 > symbol.k > A > I don't know if this helps you, but off the top of my head (NOTe > TESTED!!!)...s > F > THIS IS NOT TESTED. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. THIS IS ONLY TO ILLUSTRATE3 > AN IDEA. OTOH, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY WORK ANYWAY! :-)e > , > $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO _your-error-routine% > $ SHOW DEVICE/FILES/OUTPUT=TEMP.TMPu* > $ SEARCH TEMP.TMP <your-particular-file> > $ SEVERITY = $SEVERITY@ > $ IF (SEVERITY.EQ.1) THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "The file is open."D > $ IF (SEVERITY.EQ.3) THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "The file is not open." > ) > Not very elegant, but it'll do the job.D > G > If you tell us more about your code, we may be able to offer a bettert > solution.f >  > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman   K I was going to suggest this as it really checks for an open file as opposeda9 to the presence or absence of a logical name translation.   A The only thing that I would add is the way to do it quietly is byiE adding qualifiers to the search command as per the following snippet:d  . $!            ; search the disk which contains/ $!            ; the current ABS catalogs to seet0 $!            ; if the files used by the catalog $!            ; SYSTEM are opena $!4 $ show dev/files/nosystem/out=XTMP.TXT DISK$ABS_CAT: $!4 $ search/nolog/nowarnings/nooutput XTMP.TXT "SYSTEM" $ SAVE_STATUS = $statuso     WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 08:31:05 -07001 From: byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer)4E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open? = Message-ID: <c4bfc78e.0309240731.65a3a9ac@posting.google.com>0   Thanks for everyones help.  B What's going on is that I have three files, one is used to compareF agianst another and the third is the output from the processing of the, stuff being compared in the other two files.  A What I'm trying to do is every so often one of the input files issF corrupted and causes the script to exit leaving the files hanging openF which I have to close by hand.  If I use the /ERROR qualifier to closeD the file currupted file, the other two are still open so I'm looking@ to have one "error" routine to close all three files if they are
 hanging open.   ? I think I have enough info from everyone to work something out.e   Thanks.    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 03 18:28:28 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)hE Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?5) Message-ID: <CJICVmHZLorj@elias.decus.ch>v  T In article <A0RJ0D8IbeUB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:X > In article <3F70E940.354F9C8F@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:E >>> >I'm wanting to know if there's a way in DCL to check to see if a H >>> >particular file is open so I can close it under certain conditions. >> n' >> $OPEN/read/write myfile thefile.datas >>  .  >>  .  >>  .  >>  .r6 >> $OPEN/WRITE/NOSHARE/ERROR=opened temp1 thefile.data >> $CLOSE temp10 >> $goto rest_of_job >> $!. >> $OPENED:z >> $close myfile >> $!r >> $rest_of_job: >>  M >> In other words, try to open the file again. If it fails, it means that thep  >> file has already been opened. > G > If you try to re-open an already open file, the second open is a NOOPt > that will not fail.  > 5 > In addition, the /NOSHARE qualifier does not exist.  >  > $ OPEN Q XYZ.DAT /WRITEs > $ OPEN Q XYZ.DAT /READ /WRITEt > $ OPEN Q NO.SUCH.FILEm > $ OPEN Q HAMSTER.DAT > $ WRITE Q "HI THERE" > $ CLOSE Qr > $ TYPE XYZ.DAT
 > HI THERE > J > I have learned to play it safe and prefix most of my DCL procedures with > some simple code code like:S > ? > $ IF F$TRNLNM ( "INPUT_FILE" ) .NES. "" THEN CLOSE INPUT_FILEbA > $ IF F$TRNLNM ( "OUTPUT_FILE" ) .NES. "" THEN CLOSE OUTPUT_FILE  > F > It is embarrassing to control-Y out of a procedure during debugging,B > and re-execute only to discover you've picked up halfway through > your input file. >   J But it _can_ be useful if you know abaout this behaviour and want to breakB out to edit a file which is referenced by the main procedure, then, continue processing from where you left off.  C I am thinking of the case where I want to edit a list of files, but6: as I proceed, refine an editor command file as I go along.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 10:55:01 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)_E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?r3 Message-ID: <gGM0SM6QnukZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <c4bfc78e.0309240731.65a3a9ac@posting.google.com>, byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) writes:t  C > What I'm trying to do is every so often one of the input files is H > corrupted and causes the script to exit leaving the files hanging openH > which I have to close by hand.  If I use the /ERROR qualifier to closeF > the file currupted file, the other two are still open so I'm lookingB > to have one "error" routine to close all three files if they are > hanging open.T  ? When writing DCL, it is best to open files with something like:e  " 	$	CLOSE/ERROR=NOT_OPEN_17 FILE_17 	$ NOT_OPEN_17:   	$	OPEN/WRITE FILE_17 <whatever>   At least to cover re-runs.  ? Likewise, your exit code should close all files, to protect you @ against all but coding errors (an accidental failure to traverse the exit code).t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:42:13 -0400D< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>? Subject: Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAILe9 Message-ID: <bkshh6$4ujru$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:T >... > $ sh log *edt* >...  : Since you are only seeing this in MAIL you should also try   $ SHOW LOG MAIL$EDIT  * and/or have the user go into MAIL and type   MAIL> SHOW EDITs  " to see what editor they are using.   -- f Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.r Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXo www.weaverconsulting.cay   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 06:22:25 -0700- From: djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera)c? Subject: Re: Telnet binary differences between Multinet and UCXe= Message-ID: <66a00d01.0309240522.418cb03d@posting.google.com>u  d Eric Milkie <noemail@no.no> wrote in message news:<Xns93FFF3F24346Beam23beethovencom@167.206.3.2>... > Greetings, > M > I would like to be able to send a bare CR (ASCII 0x0D) over Telnet as part gI > of a data stream.  Since the Telnet standard says you can't do this in |L > normal NVT mode (you can only transmit CR NUL or CR LF), I believe I need ( > to activate the Binary Telnet option.  > N > In TCP/IP Services this works fine just by setting the PASTHRU (or PASSALL) I > characteristic on the terminal. It seems to turn on binary mode on the 6E > connection and sends the CR character bare without any translation.7 > L > On Multinet, however, if you set the terminal to PASTHRU (and EIGHT_BIT), N > sending a CR is still translated to the two bytes CR NUL.  I suppose I need M > to turn on Binary mode but there doesn't appear to be any way to do this.  dL > If I try to send the actual telnet command over the channel (IAC plus the L > binary mode byte), Multinet doubles the IAC to escape it, as it ought to, 4 > thus foiling my attempt at activating binary mode. >  > H > Is there any way of programmatically sending Telnet IAC commands on a K > Multinet Telnet server?  I apologise for the complexity of this question  : > and I'm not even sure I got all the terminology correct.  E Rather depends what you're up to. Perhaps if you can tell us why thise: is a problem, someone can suggest an alternative strategy.  A First guess time is you're attempting some sort of file transfer.lF Telnet is not entirely appropriate for this. That said, WRQ's VAXLINK2C and ALPHALK2 programs work just fine with their Reflection terminal ? emulation products. It is possible (though challenging) to findl6 X/Y/ZMODEM for Alpha. Let's not forget Kermit, either.   ---' David J Dachtera dba DJE SystemsF   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 09:47:41 -04000 From: fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)? Subject: Re: Telnet binary differences between Multinet and UCX 1 Message-ID: <bks79t$qkd$1@sesame.cc.columbia.edu>t  ; In article <Xns93FFF3F24346Beam23beethovencom@167.206.3.2>, # Eric Milkie  <noemail@no.no> wrote: M : I would like to be able to send a bare CR (ASCII 0x0D) over Telnet as part yI : of a data stream.  Since the Telnet standard says you can't do this in dL : normal NVT mode (you can only transmit CR NUL or CR LF), I believe I need ( : to activate the Binary Telnet option.  : N : In TCP/IP Services this works fine just by setting the PASTHRU (or PASSALL) I : characteristic on the terminal. It seems to turn on binary mode on the  E : connection and sends the CR character bare without any translation.  : L : On Multinet, however, if you set the terminal to PASTHRU (and EIGHT_BIT), N : sending a CR is still translated to the two bytes CR NUL.  I suppose I need M : to turn on Binary mode but there doesn't appear to be any way to do this.  jL : If I try to send the actual telnet command over the channel (IAC plus the L : binary mode byte), Multinet doubles the IAC to escape it, as it ought to, 4 : thus foiling my attempt at activating binary mode. : H : Is there any way of programmatically sending Telnet IAC commands on a  : Multinet Telnet server?y : K If the server obeys Telnet protocol rules, and you use a client that gives eH you sufficient controls, you should be able to do whatever you want.  As. David said, "Let's not forget Kermit, either":  @   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html      <-- Windows, OS/2<   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html  <-- Unix, VMS  @ The Kermit Telnet client gives you complete control over Telnet D negotiations, modes, and policies, as well as related issues such asE reverse DNS lookups.  Furthermore, it transfers files over the Telnet F connection, taking care of all the escaping and whatnot automatically.6 Furthermore, everything it does can be fully scripted.   - Frankt   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 2003 12:38:29 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articleD9 Message-ID: <bks384$58924$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   & In article <3F70F955.3FDF721@fsi.net>,4 	"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:- >> - >> "David J. Dachtera" wrote:0L >> > Yes and no. Linus did his best to emulate the UN*X kernel. Linux is not  >> > UN*X and UN*X is not Linux. >> pN >> When you look at AIX,  Tru64, HP-UX, SCO, BSD and any other commercial UnixP >> available from smaller companies, are they really all the "same" ? Does LinuxI >> really stand out out of the crowd with the only one having significant- >> internal differences ?: > J > Dunno, but I'd expect Linux to be written from the ground up to use moreG > of x86's unique features than anything evolved from "the first" UNIX.   F And you would likely be wrong.  The first x86 specific BSD came out atH pretty much the time of the CSRG breakup and the FreeBSD project devotedD all it's efforts to optimizing for that architecture.  Later FreeBSDD ports (like Alpha) were not done by the core team and did not affectG ongoing design decisions.  There were (and are) more experienced peopleuG working on BSD (starting with the man at the top!).  Linux has only two0L things that are greater/better than under BSD -- hype and marketing (there's that word again!!)   bill   -- HJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 07:54:06 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articlee3 Message-ID: <p9Uai4Odn2Rr@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  c In article <vn1u7h4rtee57e@corp.supernews.com>, Greg Cagle <news@*removethis*gregcagle.com> writes:- > D > Lots of people disagree with you, and are running mission critical& > applications on both Linux and Un*x.  B    Lemmings have been known to run mission critial applications onD    Windows.  It doesn't mean anything except that they are lemmings.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 07:13:03 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articlet= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309240613.2022c136@posting.google.com>o  h Greg Cagle <news@*removethis*gregcagle.com> wrote in message news:<vn1u7h4rtee57e@corp.supernews.com>... > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > A > > one thing they both are is GARBAGE ... and I'm not fifty yet!  > D > Lots of people disagree with you, and are running mission critical& > applications on both Linux and Un*x.  @ you mean trying to run mission critical ... vms clusters are the< only mission critical platform that actually is ... and manyB of these people are also memebers of the patch of the day club ...> why are these people trying to reinvent vms ... I already have@ everything they are still trying to hack with c ... these people@ do not understand os's for one ... and I have the most importantA thing of all next to uptime ... security, which these people have A to try to purchase separate along w/other add ons that they can'ts> find some unsupported freeware for ... I will not follow theseA people over the cliff, because with the recipe linux offers, thatc$ is exactly where they are headed ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:12:11 -0700 1 From: Greg Cagle <news@*removethis*gregcagle.com>o+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articleb/ Message-ID: <vn3d2hf3eon94a@corp.supernews.com>t   Bob Ceculski wrote:m  B > you mean trying to run mission critical ... vms clusters are the> > only mission critical platform that actually is ... and manyD > of these people are also memebers of the patch of the day club ...@ > why are these people trying to reinvent vms ... I already haveB > everything they are still trying to hack with c ... these peopleB > do not understand os's for one ... and I have the most importantC > thing of all next to uptime ... security, which these people have C > to try to purchase separate along w/other add ons that they can'to@ > find some unsupported freeware for ... I will not follow theseC > people over the cliff, because with the recipe linux offers, that.& > is exactly where they are headed ...   Whatever you say, Bob.   -- r
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:12:26 -0700a1 From: Greg Cagle <news@*removethis*gregcagle.com>u+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articleo. Message-ID: <vn3d31pdpao5d@corp.supernews.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:  e > In article <vn1u7h4rtee57e@corp.supernews.com>, Greg Cagle <news@*removethis*gregcagle.com> writes:t > D >>Lots of people disagree with you, and are running mission critical& >>applications on both Linux and Un*x. >  > D >    Lemmings have been known to run mission critial applications onF >    Windows.  It doesn't mean anything except that they are lemmings.   Whatever you say, Bob.   -- s
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:27:32 +0100M& From: Edward Brocklesby <ejb@goth.net>F Subject: Re: VMS on a simh VAX simulator, how do I get TCP/IP to work?5 Message-ID: <pan.2003.09.24.11.27.32.429092@goth.net>s  : Andreas Davour wrote in <bkq4hg$9hk$1@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>:  * > Edward Brocklesby <ejb@goth.net> writes: > @ >> Andreas Davour wrote in <cs9y8whm9f6.fsf@tempo.update.uu.se>:I >>> Anyone out there who knows how to get the simulator som listen on the.J >>> network? Are there anything special I have to do? I'm not that good at >>> Linux networking...h >>D >> simh uses, by default, libpcap for its networking. You want to do >> something like:   >> sim> show xq etho >> ETH devices:a >>   0  tap0 ()n >>   1  eth0 ()M >>   2  eth1 ()- >> sim> att xq eth0- > I > Interesting. I only see the line with eth0. I wonder about this tun/tap H > thingie. I *think* I compiled tun/tap support with my latest kernel...  D Sorry, I should have mentioned that tap0 is only there because I hadA another program open using tun/tap networking (the OS creates new F tapX/tunX devices as needed).  That's not related to tap support underC simh (which requires xq to be attached to the /dev/net/tun device).t   G > Ah! So maybe it works after all, but I can't see it. Now I'll have to.C > find out how the heck I can connect to my dhcp assigned PC with a ) > "private" IP range behind a firewall...m  H The easiest way to check if it's working at all is to run tcpdump on theF interface and look for outgoing packets from the simulator.  You'll beH able to see them, the OS just ignores them.  (Well, the pcap layer never5 passed them to the *incoming* packet handler at all).>   F You should be able to install another ethernet card, and connect it toJ your first one (either via a hub/switch or crossover), then attach simh toI the new card.  The packets will then go out of the first card, come in to J the second and be seen by the host OS.  Kind of overcomplicated IMO, whichI is why I hacked up the tun/tap stuff.  (All the tun/tap stuff really doesaG is simulate the second ethernet card, with the /dev/net/tun 'interface'l1 being the first card, and tap0 being the second).r   -- y$ ... hey neat, i have a signature ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:56:39 GMTf% From: Markus Weber <x13317@yahoo.com> F Subject: Re: VMS on a simh VAX simulator, how do I get TCP/IP to work?8 Message-ID: <bff3nvci9mpu08uk4rrjn7r679srrjh1ub@4ax.com>  D On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:27:32 +0100, Edward Brocklesby <ejb@goth.net> wrote:    I >The easiest way to check if it's working at all is to run tcpdump on thetG >interface and look for outgoing packets from the simulator.  You'll beuI >able to see them, the OS just ignores them.  (Well, the pcap layer nevern6 >passed them to the *incoming* packet handler at all). > G >You should be able to install another ethernet card, and connect it tonK >your first one (either via a hub/switch or crossover), then attach simh tooJ >the new card.  The packets will then go out of the first card, come in toK >the second and be seen by the host OS.  Kind of overcomplicated IMO, whichsJ >is why I hacked up the tun/tap stuff.  (All the tun/tap stuff really doesH >is simulate the second ethernet card, with the /dev/net/tun 'interface'2 >being the first card, and tap0 being the second).   SeeaK http://www.itsecuritygeek.com/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=2s8 for a Linux workaround, code courtesy of Hans Rosenfeld.   Markus   -- s http://www.itsecuritygeek.come   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 09:29:26 -0700- From: michael_e_price@talk21.com (Mike Price)e Subject: VMS system on the web< Message-ID: <f2c2207.0309240829.635d1797@posting.google.com>  A AFter nearly 15 years workign on VMS I was made redundant abotu 2s- years ago and I am now teaching IT in school. E Part of the A level sylabus is operating systems so I thought I couldlE introduce some of the next generation of programmers etc. to a propertB operating system while they are still young. - otherwise they will only see Windows  F SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is there aD VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so that they> can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated.  @ N.B. school budgets are rather small and tight ( I thought I had4 problems industry!!:-) so it would need to be "free"   TIAp   Mike Price (ex programmer)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:55:46 -0700r+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>." Subject: Re: VMS system on the web% Message-ID: <3F71DAA2.50701@MMaz.com>n   Mike Price wrote:,  B >AFter nearly 15 years workign on VMS I was made redundant abotu 2. >years ago and I am now teaching IT in school.F >Part of the A level sylabus is operating systems so I thought I couldF >introduce some of the next generation of programmers etc. to a properC >operating system while they are still young. - otherwise they will  >only see Windowsi >eG >SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is there atE >VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so that theyr? >can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated.s >vA >N.B. school budgets are rather small and tight ( I thought I hads5 >problems industry!!:-) so it would need to be "free"r >e >  I >nF Why don't you just buy a hobbyist system and bring that in?  For less - than $100 you could give them local hands on!,   Barryn   -- s  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        9   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.530 ************************