1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 25 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 531       Contents: Re: Adaptec 29160 and SRM  Re: affordable VMS Re: affordable VMS Re: Alpha firmware updates. Can anyone here be possibly surprised at this? CIPCA Manual Re: CIPCA Manual Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org  Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org  Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org  Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org 3 HP to Linux users: "Go ahead.  I've got your back."   Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005$ Linux is the favourite hacker target( Re: Linux is the favourite hacker target( Re: Linux is the favourite hacker target O.T. Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org Re: OpenVMS 7.3-2   ppp on OpenVMS for remote access$ Re: ppp on OpenVMS for remote access$ Re: ppp on OpenVMS for remote access$ Re: ppp on OpenVMS for remote access$ Re: ppp on OpenVMS for remote access8 Re: Printer control codes for turning on/off hole punch.8 Re: Printer control codes for turning on/off hole punch.8 Re: Printer control codes for turning on/off hole punch.8 Re: Printer control codes for turning on/off hole punch.D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?# Re: Strange problem with DLT drives # Re: Strange problem with DLT drives 8 TCPWARE v5.4-3 Patch 19.0, TCPware_FTP process "hanging"6 Re: Telnet binary differences between Multinet and UCX6 Re: Telnet binary differences between Multinet and UCX3 Unexplained DECwindows activity - security concern? 7 Re: Unexplained DECwindows activity - security concern? " Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article" Re: VMS mentioned in Linux article Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 2003 16:20:12 GMTm From: Wilko Bulte,Arnhem - the Netherlands,+31-24-3529162,+31-26-3623823,TZ=WET From: <wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl> " Subject: Re: Adaptec 29160 and SRM> Message-ID: <3f71c43c$0$3190$e4fe514c@dreader5.news.xs4all.nl>  a In <2aab79d7.0309240717.1264b1d9@posting.google.com> chris@groupinfo.com (Chris Szilagyi) writes:    >Hello,   D >I'm trying to get some information on whether an Adaptec 29160 willA >work in our Alpha (264DP machine with dual EV6 500 MHz).  We are F >running Red Hat Linux 7.2 and using the SRM with aboot.  The questionE >I have is, will an Adaptec 29160 work with some version of the SRM?  A >Right now the system doesn't appear to see the card or the disks E >attached to it.  We already have a Linux kernel with support for all   9 I know for a fact that 39160 (note the leading 3!!) is a  ; KZPEA and it works on specific systems/SRM versions. Never  5 saw a 264DP so I cannot tell you if it is part of the  working system models.   W/   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 13:57:12 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: affordable VMS 3 Message-ID: <YXxga3I8dW36@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3F71D8C8.2030404@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  > J > Are we talking apples to apples here regarding the hardware?  I find it G > really hard to believe that HP's going to have a box that is equally  G > provisioned as a Dell system, plus VMS, plus compilers!  Can they do  D > that, sure, that would be awesome, but I have my serious doubts...  E    I don't have the specs (unannounced products are hard to get specs @    on), but I believe few Itaniums will be as slow as my 550 MhzF    Pentium, with much less than 512 MB RAM, or with much smaller than H    20GB disk.  That is:  I could believe in 128MB RAM and 12GB disk, butE    I would find it hard to think that upgrading those would add a lot     to the system price.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:53:05 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: affordable VMS ' Message-ID: <3F723C71.55C8DA08@fsi.net>    Bob Koehler wrote: > , > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > = >   How's $5K hit ya?  A developer's platform, with software.  > G >   No, that's not an official price quote, just something I'm hearing.   ? The usual question still stands: are _END-USERS_ still screwed,  price-wise?   C >   In comparison the Dell sitting behind me cost $4.5K without any  >   compilers.  H Unless all the end-users are developers, the value is extremely limited.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:14:50 +0100 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> # Subject: Re: Alpha firmware updates ? Message-ID: <talcb.3471$%G1.1791@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>    Harry wrote:  J > Sun is not the competition... Dell is... its just the way it is. I don't > understand it but its true.   A Dell will be the competition if HP starts to make way more money. & Right now, Sun will do as competition.   Antonio    --     --   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:30:37 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: Can anyone here be possibly surprised at this? H Message-ID: <N9ncb.82531$Ch2.38219@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  : $100 sez HP will do nothing to promote VMS with ammo like.      2 http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20030924S0008  1 Reliance On Microsoft Danger To National Security " September 24, 2003 (3:38 p.m. EST) By Gregg Keizer , TechWeb News  C A panel of leading security experts Wednesday blasted Microsoft for I vulnerabilities in its software, and warned that reliance on the Redmond, D Wash.-based developer's software is a danger to both enterprises and national security.L The group, which debuted its report at the first day of a two-day conferenceH hosted by the Computer & Communications Industry Association (CCIA), wasF headed by Dan Geer, the chief technology officer of @Stake, a security consulting firm.  J "As fast as the world's computing infrastructure is growing, vulnerability. to attack is growing faster still," said Geer.  G "Microsoft's attempts to tightly integrate myriad applications with its K operating system have significantly contributed to excessive complexity and G vulnerability. This deterioration of security compounds when nearly all ? computers rely on a single operating system subject to the same , vulnerabilities the world over," Geer added.  H Ed Black, the CEO and president of CCIA, whose members include Microsoft8 competitors such as Sun and Oracle, was even more blunt.  L "Microsoft's monopoly threatens consumers in a number of ways, it it's clearJ it is now also a threat to our security, our safety, and even our national
 security."   ......... more.....    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:48:17 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net  Subject: CIPCA Manual 6 Message-ID: <lXqcb.3378$FH3.2025@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>  E Does anyone have an electronic or spare paper copy of a CIPCA manual? B I've got a CIPCA and would like to figure out how to configure it. --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:34:16 +1000 0 From: "doc" <alphadoc-deny-spam@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: CIPCA Manual < Message-ID: <3f727166$0$14956$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>   I think you want the following:  EK-CIPCA-UG. Check your personal email.9 Do you have another CIPCA spare? AA or AB version is OK!!  Thanks. ( dittman@dittman.net wrote in message ... > F >Does anyone have an electronic or spare paper copy of a CIPCA manual?C >I've got a CIPCA and would like to figure out how to configure it.  >-- 
 >Eric Dittman  >dittman@dittman.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:40:02 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>  Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org( Message-ID: <3F71E502.1030100@rdrop.com>   Ken Farmer wrote:   D >> IMHO - I find 99 bottles not an item I would have posted - not toD >> raise a stink - just do not feel like it is a useful tool - other) >> than it demonstrating how to do loops.  > B > At the time it was better than what I was getting...very little.  H Ah, but it is a useful example of how to do loops, isn't it? I wouldn't G discount a good example of how to do something just because it's not a  D practical application, if it shows good use of the language at hand.   My own variant:    BANDIT$ type beer.com  $ SAY = "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT" $ IF P1 .EQS "" THEN P1 = 99 $ !  $Loop: $ CALL STANZA 'P1'
 $ P1 = P1 - 1 % $ IF P1 .EQS. 0 THEN GOTO Out_Of_Beer  $ GOTO Loop  $! $ STANZA: SUBROUTINE $ P1 = F$INTEGER(P1)= $ Spaces = F$ELEMENT(F$LENGTH(P1),"|","| |  |   |    |     ") - $ Bottles = F$FAO("!SL Bottle!%S of beer",P1) + $ SAY "''Bottles' on the wall, ''Bottles'!" / $ SAY Spaces, " Take one down, Pass it around," / $ Bottles = F$FAO("!SL Bottle!%S of beer",P1-1) D $ IF F$LENGTH(P1) .LT. F$LENGTH(Spaces) THEN Bottles = " ''Bottles'" $ SAY "''Bottles' on the wall."  $ SAY "" $ ENDSUBROUTINE  $ ! 
 $Out_Of_Beer: % $ SAY "Aw, Crap- wer're out of beer."  $ SAY "" BANDIT$    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:05:06 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org1 Message-ID: <03092414050692@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Dean Woodward wrote:F > >> IMHO - I find 99 bottles not an item I would have posted - not toF > >> raise a stink - just do not feel like it is a useful tool - other+ > >> than it demonstrating how to do loops.  > > D > > At the time it was better than what I was getting...very little. > J > Ah, but it is a useful example of how to do loops, isn't it? I wouldn't I > discount a good example of how to do something just because it's not a  F > practical application, if it shows good use of the language at hand. >  > My own variant: ...   1 gawd - I should have left well enough alone!  ;-)      J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:32:43 GMT 8 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net> Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org. Message-ID: <vQpcb.573894$uu5.94188@sccrnsc04>   Ken,  H I liked the site and have a few procedures that I intend to donate soon.  I It would be useful to have some kind of feedback mechanism.  I downloaded K the FINDJOB procedure and tried it today.  I found several problems with it H and fixed them.  The procedure does not work as posted. It hangs.  MaybeI something got clobbered in the upload process.  I sent mail to the author I with the revisions, but this sort of feedback should be available on your  site.    Keep up the good work!   Regards, Tom Simpson  Jacksonville, FL.   = "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> wrote in message 5 news:vOWbb.11214$vq1.6221@twister.southeast.rr.com... ( > Anyone finding dcl.OpenVMS.org useful? > I > The site needs more submissions.  If you get a chance please post a few ) > procedures to share with the community.  > * > Any suggestions or comments are welcome. >  > -- > Kenneth Farmer  <><  > SpyderByte.com > " > EnterpriseUnix.org  |  Tru64.org! > OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org & > EnterpriseLinux.org  |  LinuxHPC.org >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:54:20 GMT 2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org< Message-ID: <wNscb.19589$Af4.12095@twister.southeast.rr.com>  J I'll add comments.  I kinda scripted out most of the commenting capabilityJ and now I'm having to add it back in.  Not an easy task.  I'll try to have! it ready by the end of next week.    Thanks for the input.    Ken    -- Kenneth Farmer  <><  OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org       C "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message ( news:vQpcb.573894$uu5.94188@sccrnsc04... > Ken, > J > I liked the site and have a few procedures that I intend to donate soon. > K > It would be useful to have some kind of feedback mechanism.  I downloaded J > the FINDJOB procedure and tried it today.  I found several problems with itJ > and fixed them.  The procedure does not work as posted. It hangs.  MaybeK > something got clobbered in the upload process.  I sent mail to the author K > with the revisions, but this sort of feedback should be available on your  > site.  >  > Keep up the good work! > 
 > Regards,
 > Tom Simpson  > Jacksonville, FL.  > ? > "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> wrote in message 7 > news:vOWbb.11214$vq1.6221@twister.southeast.rr.com... * > > Anyone finding dcl.OpenVMS.org useful? > > K > > The site needs more submissions.  If you get a chance please post a few + > > procedures to share with the community.  > > , > > Any suggestions or comments are welcome. > >  > > -- > > Kenneth Farmer  <><  > > SpyderByte.com > > $ > > EnterpriseUnix.org  |  Tru64.org# > > OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org ( > > EnterpriseLinux.org  |  LinuxHPC.org > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 14:57:07 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) < Subject: HP to Linux users: "Go ahead.  I've got your back."= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309241357.4dd9dd5d@posting.google.com>   C HP offers indemnity for its Linux customers against legal action by  SCO.   EnterpriseLinux.org:A http://www.enterpriselinux.org/stories.php?story=03/09/24/1330896   = I notice SCO Group (SCOX) stock dropped 9% today on the news.   F A quick Google search indicates IBM and Dell have refused to indemnifyD their Linux customers, and ever-helpful Sun will indemnify them only if they switch to Solaris.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:42:02 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>) Subject: Re: IA64 to be dual core by 2005 ) Message-ID: <3F71C959.7B0F0D9B@istop.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:F >    Since they're not yet dealing with dual core chips, their currentH >    practices don't predict how they will deal with them when they come	 >    out.   M OK, lets get this closer. Do VMS licences cost more if you have more than one  cpu in a machine ?  K Would an OS or application see a difference between 2 separate CPUs and one " chip that contains 2 CPUs inside ?  M If dual code CPUs become common, perhaps software vendors will have to change H their business practice to charge the same for 1 or 2 CPUs and then milk" customers when they go above that.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 16:36:10 -0700, From: ian.burgess@start.com.au (Ian Burgess)- Subject: Linux is the favourite hacker target = Message-ID: <6b63fc08.0309241536.1b84f230@posting.google.com>   6 See globe technology's "The Globe and Mail" article...  U www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030911.gtlinuxsep11/BNStory/Technology/   F Surprising that Linux rates above Microsoft (67% of successful attacks in August vs 23% for M/S).  ! The complacency of the statement, ; "Just 360  less than 2 per cent  of BSD Unix servers were ! successfully breached in August."  does boggle the mind, though!    Ian    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:14:39 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: Linux is the favourite hacker target ) Message-ID: <3F723350.EA6A50F8@istop.com>    Ian Burgess wrote: > 8 > See globe technology's "The Globe and Mail" article... > W > www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030911.gtlinuxsep11/BNStory/Technology/  > H > Surprising that Linux rates above Microsoft (67% of successful attacks > in August vs 23% for M/S).  J Even more suprising that this would be released at the same time as a moreJ credible report that blames Microsoft software on all the hacking/viruses.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:46:11 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: Linux is the favourite hacker target ) Message-ID: <3F723AB2.BEE6BBCD@istop.com>    Ian Burgess wrote:W > www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030911.gtlinuxsep11/BNStory/Technology/  > H > Surprising that Linux rates above Microsoft (67% of successful attacks > in August vs 23% for M/S).  8 And then, there are the articles about the other report: ##M The report, unveiled at the Computer & Communications Industry  Association's I meeting of industry leaders and government officials in Washington, D.C., I saying that Microsoft is now the number one target for malicious computer  virus writers.   ##    * Another, perhaps very important paragraph: ##N The best solution, the report's authors argued, is to adopt a mix of differentH computer systems that will reduce the risk of a single security incident, crippling a company or a government agency.  ##  L If this last paragraph catches on as a new paradigm/trend,  it will kill offK the previous trend that it was better to standardize everything on a single 9 OS. This would give both the MAC and VMS a second chance.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:59:46 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com! Subject: O.T. Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org ? Message-ID: <OF8431D5A1.FBDCDBBC-ON85256DAB.00683D1C@metso.com>   ) ..and wer're slur'ring our wer're's, too.   
 $Out_Of_Beer: % $ SAY "Aw, Crap- wer're out of beer."   = From:  Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> on 09/24/2003 02:40 PM   1 Please respond to Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>    To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:    Subject:    Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org      Ken Farmer wrote:   D >> IMHO - I find 99 bottles not an item I would have posted - not toD >> raise a stink - just do not feel like it is a useful tool - other) >> than it demonstrating how to do loops.  > B > At the time it was better than what I was getting...very little.  G Ah, but it is a useful example of how to do loops, isn't it? I wouldn't F discount a good example of how to do something just because it's not aD practical application, if it shows good use of the language at hand.   My own variant:    BANDIT$ type beer.com  $ SAY = "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT" $ IF P1 .EQS "" THEN P1 = 99 $ !  $Loop: $ CALL STANZA 'P1'
 $ P1 = P1 - 1 % $ IF P1 .EQS. 0 THEN GOTO Out_Of_Beer  $ GOTO Loop  $! $ STANZA: SUBROUTINE $ P1 = F$INTEGER(P1)= $ Spaces = F$ELEMENT(F$LENGTH(P1),"|","| |  |   |    |     ") - $ Bottles = F$FAO("!SL Bottle!%S of beer",P1) + $ SAY "''Bottles' on the wall, ''Bottles'!" / $ SAY Spaces, " Take one down, Pass it around," / $ Bottles = F$FAO("!SL Bottle!%S of beer",P1-1) D $ IF F$LENGTH(P1) .LT. F$LENGTH(Spaces) THEN Bottles = " ''Bottles'" $ SAY "''Bottles' on the wall."  $ SAY "" $ ENDSUBROUTINE  $ ! 
 $Out_Of_Beer: % $ SAY "Aw, Crap- wer're out of beer."  $ SAY "" BANDIT$    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:30:14 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-2L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2409032039090001@user-uinj4pb.dialup.mindspring.com>  7 In article <bkrko7$7mv$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, "Jeff" # <dirkdiggler@totalise.co.uk> wrote:   C >Does anybody have a date for shipping of OpenVMS 7.3-2 for Alpha ?    Nope.     D >All I can find on the HP web site is 'Q4', does anybody have a more >definitive date ?   Nope.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 11:28:24 -0700, From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)) Subject: ppp on OpenVMS for remote access = Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0309241028.17e07183@posting.google.com>   ? We are trying to set up a PPP TCP/IP connection with an OpenVMS F AlphaServer acting as host, and a dialup Windows end-user PC acting as client. D We are using Compaq TCP/IP Services (UCX) for OpenVMS Alpha v5.1 and v5.3 ECO 2 on OpenVMS.  @ To a remote site with a database on a Windows server, developersD currently can run Quest Software's Toad (unintentional plug) programF on a Microsoft DialUp Networking (no endorsement) to make a connection to the database.  F To a remote site with a database on an OpenVMS server, developers onlyD have a modem connection to a terminal server or AlphaServer port forD interactive logins. Is it possible to somehow configure a PPP TCP/IP> connection so that developers could run Toad through that same( interactive modem connection to OpenVMS?  D We unsuccessfully experimented with it.  Section 3 of the UCX manual? is hard to follow when it mixes sections for OpenVMS hosts with ? OpenVMS clients and does not supply explicit modem AT commands.   C Ideally, we would like the dialin port and protocol to be dual-use. , Some people would log directly onto OpenVMS.E Other people would like to use Windows Dial-up Networking to the same  port; 6   but we could teach those people to log onto OpenVMS,$   run some PPP configuration script,@   and then those people could run software over the PPP protocol4   (such as Quest Software's Toad database software.)  B Some of our remote systems have hardware ports (e.g TTA0 and TTB0)D already dedicated to existing communications applications. The idealF PPP connection would work over a dialin terminal server port where theA initial DCL connection is made via an interactive DCL login where C one's serial device would be LTAxxxx.  Most of our terminal servers 7 are either low-end (e.g. 90L) or very old VAX era ones.   < We have some users who are familiar only with Windows DialupD Networking, and not with OpenVMS or DCL.  The ideal PPP dialin wouldE be configurable such that to an end Windows user the PPP dialin would F just appear as just as an additional Dialup Networking Windows entry. 2 We would provide supporting scripts to facilitate.  D We are asking for any guidance that you can offer.  Even if you feelE that you can provide only a partial solution, your contribution could " be very helpful to get us started.  A In particular, the following would be helpful from OpenVMS System F Managers who have established successful PPP connections to an OpenVMS host:   E  * specific modem models and matching AT commands for those models to . store into the modem's NVRAM for the PPP line.  C  * specific "one time" or background OpenVMS and UCX/TCPIP commands ! used to set up the PPP machinery. @    That should support the possibility of just using the OpenVMSC system essentially as a dialup router to make TCP/IP connections to , other hosts on the OpenVMS Server's network.  @  * commands that would be typed into the initial DCL interactive3 session to convert it into a PPP TCP/IP connection.   C  * sample Windows scripts that could be used to automate the dialin 1 for Windows users unfamilair with OpenVMS or DCL.   
 Thank you.0 JimStrehlow@Data911.com, OpenVMS Systems Manager   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:49:34 +0000 (UTC) . From: Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com>- Subject: Re: ppp on OpenVMS for remote access , Message-ID: <bkssge$omj$1@reader2.panix.com>  L On 24 Sep 2003 11:28:24 -0700, Jim Strehlow <JimStrehlow@data911.com> wrote:A > We are trying to set up a PPP TCP/IP connection with an OpenVMS H > AlphaServer acting as host, and a dialup Windows end-user PC acting as	 > client. F > We are using Compaq TCP/IP Services (UCX) for OpenVMS Alpha v5.1 and > v5.3 ECO 2 on OpenVMS.  D You need a terminal server (remote access server) that allows eitherF direct connect or PPP sessions (incoming) and does both LAT and TCP/IPC on the network.  I'm currently using a MAXserver 1620 (www.mrv.com, @ though I'm not endorsing it, just using it).  I think one of the< DECserver 700 series (www.dpng.com) and some Lantronix unitsC (www.lantronix.com) can do this.  I have three incoming phone lines > with modems that connect to the MX1620 and users can choose toD establish a PPP connection (using, for example, MS Dialup NetworkingE without any special scripting) or a direct serial connection (using a 2 terminal emulator like TeraTerm Pro or Hyperterm).  E Those using PPP can connect via TCP/IP to any server on the network.  A Those using a direct serial connection can LAT connect to any LAT C service (inluding a standard login session).  It's fairly simple to  set up.   A Note that the AlphaServer does not provide PPP directly.  It just B provides either LAT services (like a local terminal connect), or a; TCP/IP service (like a web server, or telnet server, etc.).   F Remote clients can be anything that can run either a terminal emulatorD or a PPP dialup client.  Of course, only the PPP clients can use theE TCP/IP services.  (One exception: the MX1620 itself provides a telnet > client for a direct serial connected terminal emulator.  Other< terminal servers might also provide this or other services.)  F I've deleted the rest of your post.  But I just want to emphasize thatE that the connection should be made to a terminal server with dual use E (direct connect and PPP) capability, not directly to the AlphaServer.    --  7 Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> (lose the Q's)    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 14:15:09 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: ppp on OpenVMS for remote access 3 Message-ID: <Jnqfqq0JC$jt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <4b6ec350.0309241028.17e07183@posting.google.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) writes:A > We are trying to set up a PPP TCP/IP connection with an OpenVMS H > AlphaServer acting as host, and a dialup Windows end-user PC acting as	 > client. F > We are using Compaq TCP/IP Services (UCX) for OpenVMS Alpha v5.1 and > v5.3 ECO 2 on OpenVMS. >   C    It's been a long time since I looked at UCX, but I think PPP was     put in quite a while back.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:45:54 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: ppp on OpenVMS for remote access ) Message-ID: <3F71F464.B084F88A@istop.com>    Jim Strehlow wrote: H > To a remote site with a database on an OpenVMS server, developers onlyF > have a modem connection to a terminal server or AlphaServer port forF > interactive logins. Is it possible to somehow configure a PPP TCP/IP@ > connection so that developers could run Toad through that same* > interactive modem connection to OpenVMS?  K Your modem configuration should the the same whether for interactive or ppp V sessions. You need compliant modem control handling, as well as hardware flow control.  T Modem MUST hangup (and reset) upon drop of DTR. (big security vulnerability if not).K Modem should use RTS/CTS flow control. (xon xoff should flow transparently)  DSR must follow carrier.% No messages when inbound connections.   D Generally, any modem setting that is "always on" is for wintel crap.  = You require a terminal server with full modem control ports.    K You need to set the ports on the terminal server to be modem, hardware flow  control and hangup.   N You can also set the modem to have a sufficiently high fixed serial speed, and( fixed speed on the treminal server port.  H To verify proper flow control, take a remote computer, limit the modem'sK negotiated speed to 1200 baud (or lower). Dial in interactively, and try to M list a long file, preferably with columnar arrangement. If flow control works M fine, the file will flow slowly and flawlessly. If flow control is not right, ; you will see missing data when columns don't align anymore.   L Pull the plug on the remote modem, and make sure that the process on the VMSN host is either deleted or put into a "detached" mode. (eg: VMS must be advised when the line drops).     E > Ideally, we would like the dialin port and protocol to be dual-use. . > Some people would log directly onto OpenVMS.  M Your best bet is to buy a terminal server which can do PPP. The user can then G select to connect either interactively to a VMS host, or to start a PPP ! session with the terminal server.   J The difficulty with a VMS host is that the user will be known to VMS as anK LTA<random> terminal, and you'll have to somehow setup an interface to that J port, define its address and characteristics,and that requires privileges.  H You could write some background process that could get a request from anM unprivileged user, that server process would then define a ppp interface with M ip address attached to the user's LTA<random> terminal , and then perhaps the N PPD CONNECT could issued by the user to activate that interface. Haven't triedL this though. You'd have a problem deleting the interface automatically after the session though.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 18:48:52 -0700/ From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell) - Subject: Re: ppp on OpenVMS for remote access = Message-ID: <79de9693.0309241748.43f8061e@posting.google.com>   b Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> wrote in message news:<bkssge$omj$1@reader2.panix.com>...F > You need a terminal server (remote access server) that allows eitherH > direct connect or PPP sessions (incoming) and does both LAT and TCP/IPE > on the network.  I'm currently using a MAXserver 1620 (www.mrv.com, B > though I'm not endorsing it, just using it).  I think one of the> > DECserver 700 series (www.dpng.com) and some Lantronix unitsE > (www.lantronix.com) can do this.  I have three incoming phone lines @ > with modems that connect to the MX1620 and users can choose toF > establish a PPP connection (using, for example, MS Dialup NetworkingG > without any special scripting) or a direct serial connection (using a 4 > terminal emulator like TeraTerm Pro or Hyperterm). >   C In my shop we have used DecServer 700s with the DB25 connectors for 5 this purpose.  (Sorry, don't recall the various model  numbers/options).    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 14:13:33 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) A Subject: Re: Printer control codes for turning on/off hole punch. 3 Message-ID: <hzDrNzi31JWa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <452b3f53.0309240929.14ebe753@posting.google.com>, bri4kat@knology.net (Brian) writes: 
 > Hello!!! >   E > I have a problem. I have a queue set up that prints several reports D > daily. A couple of the reports need to be printed with holes and aE > couple without. The hole punch is physically turned on and I need a G > control code/initialization string to send to the printer to turn the  > punch off. >  > Anybody have an idea?   D    Do you know the initialization string?  Can you set up a separateD    queue to have a setup and reset modules?  If not, can you get the/    jobs printed with different forms requested?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:39:03 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>A Subject: Re: Printer control codes for turning on/off hole punch. 5 Message-ID: <240920031339040727%paul.anderson@hp.com>   C In article <452b3f53.0309240929.14ebe753@posting.google.com>, Brian  <bri4kat@knology.net> wrote:  F > I have a queue set up that prints several reports daily. A couple ofE > the reports need to be printed with holes and a couple without. The 9 > hole punch is physically turned on and I need a control E > code/initialization string to send to the printer to turn the punch  > off.  2 What printer?  What language?  (PostScript?  PCL?)   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:12:18 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>A Subject: Re: Printer control codes for turning on/off hole punch. ) Message-ID: <3F71DE7B.E8F8AFEA@istop.com>	   Brian wrote:E > couple without. The hole punch is physically turned on and I need aSG > control code/initialization string to send to the printer to turn thei > punch off.  L Generally, those sequences (or postscript commands) would be documented with- your printer since they are printer specific.   6 You may wish to look into your DCPS control library  (G sys$library:DCPS$DEVCTL.TLB ) to see if there wouldn't be a module that * contains code to control the hole puncher.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:16:33 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>A Subject: Re: Printer control codes for turning on/off hole punch.c5 Message-ID: <240920031616327653%paul.anderson@hp.com>O  2 In article <3F71DE7B.E8F8AFEA@istop.com>, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  > > Generally, those sequences (or postscript commands) would be? > documented with your printer since they are printer specific.o  F I wonder how many printer manuals these days contain such information,E sort of like the old PostScript Supplements that were issued for manyw Digital printers.   8 > You may wish to look into your DCPS control library  (D > sys$library:DCPS$DEVCTL.TLB ) to see if there wouldn't be a module1 > that contains code to control the hole puncher.p  F He may, but looking at the DCPS device control modules for V2.3, thereF are three printers that support punching and the commands for each are
 different.  B Look in the PPD file for the printer and you'll see the PostScript commands for punching.   Paul   -- T  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 14:02:16 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)lM Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?u3 Message-ID: <Ip4kGGHMoiUB@eisner.encompasserve.org>?  c In article <mFjNkcfiUJi5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:e > J > Starting with the Macintosh SE in 1987, I have also eschewed that sourceL > for software, running only software bought from a reputable vendor.  WhileN > there have been cases of viruses propagated that way, I have not gotten any.  C   IIRC viruses were easily embedded in what folks thought were datan(   files through abuse of resource forks.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:35:01 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ? + Message-ID: <3F71D664.D92AAC37@pacbell.net>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:o > W > In article <3F70934A.3C36DD45@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:- > >- > >- > >Bill Gunshannon wrote:  > >>0 > >> In article <3F6FE435.177A5C96@pacbell.net>,6 > >>         Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes: > >> > > >> > > >> >N > >> > You mean you don't point to any mail, or default, gateway IP?? How does, > >> > your mail know where the next hop is? > >>K > >> You are obviously confusing Mail with TCPIP.  Mail doesn't "hop".  ThemM > >> originator can contact the destination directly and deliver the message.A > >(F > >How do you "contact the destination directly" without going thru at# > >least one of your ISP's routers?  > >iI > >> Many places run outgoing mail servers but few of them actually block 4 > >> outgoing traffic on port 25 for other machines. > >>K > >> >                                       I run my own server too, but I L > >> > have to declare at least the address of my router and my router has a0 > >> > default gateway address, which is my ISP. > >>3 > >> Which has absolutely nothing to do with Email.n > >tI > >You may be correct in theory, but I don't believe my simple router can5: > >send anything anywhere without going thru that gateway. > >e > M > You are correct in that the TCPIP packets need to know what route to followeP > to get anywhere. However what sort of logging does the average default gatewayP > perform. I'd doubt it was anywhere near sophisticated enough for this proposed > type of billing. > L > You would need to log not only connections to port 25 but also whether theM > transfer of the message completed successfully. This is not as simple as itw	 > sounds.sH > Badly configured mail systems,overloaded mail systems (or those behindQ > certain firewalls which by default employ certain questionable security methods C > with smtp ) can often have timeout issues when dealing with larget% > mails or large lists of recipients.aN > This can lead to the sending system not receiving an acknowledgment that theN > receiving system has completely received the message and therefore having noO > option but to retry sending the message later. Hence this results in messagesdN > being delivered multiple times. The problem is with the receiving system butO > unless you are very careful in this billing scheme the sender would be billedl  > for all these message retries. >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >   F At this point I'm fairly convinced that the implementation of fees viaG central gateways &/or routers is not workable. So I have come up with asD protocol that implements e-mail in 2 phases: a meta phase and a dataD phase. In phase 1, all the info about the email is sent to the open,B listening port of the receiver. Then the link is dropped, by both.B Phase 2 must be initiated by the receiver, so they are in completeE control of the transmission and final delivery and at that point they- can also charge a fee.  E A first draft is available at http://alphase.com/vms/FBEProtocol.htmli  E Serious suggestions are more than welcome, but please no nit-picking.G7 This is a early, early draft. A suggestion, if you will    -- s   Have VMS, Will Travele Wire paladin, San Franciscoi   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:59:23 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ? ) Message-ID: <3F71F78D.AE87E47B@istop.com>-   Don Sykes wrote:F > phase. In phase 1, all the info about the email is sent to the open,D > listening port of the receiver. Then the link is dropped, by both.D > Phase 2 must be initiated by the receiver, so they are in completeG > control of the transmission and final delivery and at that point theyb > can also charge a fee2  N There is a problem with the second phase. It would not work very well with anyM SMTP server that is behind firewalls, NAT etc. Consider  a cluster of 2 nodesxJ with a single IP address visible to the world. Node 1 initiates sending ofL message (phase 1). When happens when the remote SMTP server connects to thatM IP address and the NAT router (or load balancing one) sends the connection tos NODE 2?t  L This type of issue is similar to why FTP has had to have the "PASSIVE" mode.  " So your SMTP scheme should become:  M In phase 1, the receiving SMTP server, upon agreeing, provides the originatorrF with a random port number to which he can connect to send the message.  K This doesn't really add more than having the smarts to accept or reject thet# DATA command in the one connection.t   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 15:43:21 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)eM Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?e3 Message-ID: <lzFFSg2nbgo2@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  q In article <Ip4kGGHMoiUB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:ue > In article <mFjNkcfiUJi5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:w >> iK >> Starting with the Macintosh SE in 1987, I have also eschewed that sourceuM >> for software, running only software bought from a reputable vendor.  While-O >> there have been cases of viruses propagated that way, I have not gotten any.P > E >   IIRC viruses were easily embedded in what folks thought were dataa* >   files through abuse of resource forks.  ; "Code" can be embedded that way, but what would invoke it ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:43:55 GMT-' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>2M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?u+ Message-ID: <3F722CDF.6883D276@pacbell.net>6   JF Mezei wrote:n >  > Don Sykes wrote:H > > phase. In phase 1, all the info about the email is sent to the open,F > > listening port of the receiver. Then the link is dropped, by both.F > > Phase 2 must be initiated by the receiver, so they are in completeI > > control of the transmission and final delivery and at that point theyi > > can also charge a feef > P > There is a problem with the second phase. It would not work very well with anyO > SMTP server that is behind firewalls, NAT etc. Consider  a cluster of 2 nodesmL > with a single IP address visible to the world. Node 1 initiates sending ofN > message (phase 1). When happens when the remote SMTP server connects to thatO > IP address and the NAT router (or load balancing one) sends the connection to 	 > NODE 2?d > N > This type of issue is similar to why FTP has had to have the "PASSIVE" mode. > $ > So your SMTP scheme should become: > O > In phase 1, the receiving SMTP server, upon agreeing, provides the originatortH > with a random port number to which he can connect to send the message. > M > This doesn't really add more than having the smarts to accept or reject the % > DATA command in the one connection.S  D The issue you raise is legit, but I think it's addressable under the, current model. 2 possibilities come to mind:C 1) Require the sending software to open the same port number on allED nodes that MIGHT be receiving the connection. Then they could eitherF route the connection to the correct node, or allow FBMTP processing on= all nodes. If it's a VMS cluster this shouldn't be a problem.A  F 2) Just tell their router to send all port ### requests to a dedicated2 node. I know I can even do this on my $99 Netopia.  F What I wanted to avoid is letting the sender make the data connection.G If the sender software were to initiate the 2nd phase it puts them back-A in control, because they can initiate the request a time of theirsC choosing - which would probably be immediately. We need to give the0H receiving software the time to check out things and determine charges inG their own time. Maybe the receiver will want to delay receiving certainiH message types until 01:00, or something. This gives them the flexibility to do that.t  D Also, the side that declares the port number for phase 2 has to openD that port and listen on it. Since the sender is the party wishing toE make the connection, let them do it. The only option I really want totE give the sender is whether they want to pay the requested fee or not.o   -- f   Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Franciscoa   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:58:27 GMTo5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)-M Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?mL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2409032107220001@user-uinj4pb.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <Ip4kGGHMoiUB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, , koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org wrote:  J >In article <mFjNkcfiUJi5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:h >> DK >> Starting with the Macintosh SE in 1987, I have also eschewed that sourceeM >> for software, running only software bought from a reputable vendor.  While O >> there have been cases of viruses propagated that way, I have not gotten any.  > D >  IIRC viruses were easily embedded in what folks thought were data) >  files through abuse of resource forks.a  @ I believe that Disinfectant, the freeware Mac virus scanner, wasC essentially 100% effective in finding and blocking the 25 or so Mac I viruses.  New viruses showed up very rarely, and the scanner usually knewsH how to find them within a few days.  And yes, it knew how to look in the resource fork.  I Until Microsoft showed up with their visual basic and word macros and all H the rest.  With a pretty much unlimited range of possibilities to searchI for, the author/maintainer of Disinfectant just stopped trying to keep up  with microsoft vulnerabilities.-  " A sad day in the history of MacOS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:52:14 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?m) Message-ID: <3F71CBBC.92ABC6E4@istop.com>'   Robert Alan Byer wrote: C > What I'm trying to do is every so often one of the input files iskH > corrupted and causes the script to exit leaving the files hanging open  > which I have to close by hand.    $ At a strategic place in your script:   ON ERROR THEN GOTO CLOSE_FILES  M This way, if your scripts gets to some unresolvable situation, it will branchrL to CLOSE_FILES instead of exiting abruptly. You can then close the files and exit gracefully.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 14:32:31 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)mE Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open? = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309241332.2afc04ce@posting.google.com>   v byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) wrote in message news:<c4bfc78e.0309240731.65a3a9ac@posting.google.com>...D > What's going on is that I have three files, one is used to compareH > agianst another and the third is the output from the processing of the. > stuff being compared in the other two files. > C > What I'm trying to do is every so often one of the input files is.H > corrupted and causes the script to exit leaving the files hanging openH > which I have to close by hand.  If I use the /ERROR qualifier to closeF > the file currupted file, the other two are still open so I'm lookingB > to have one "error" routine to close all three files if they are > hanging open.   F I'm now in the habit of always including a "CLOSE/NOLOG" command rightB before the first OPEN of a given stream in all my DCL procedures. F This defensive coding practice protects against any aborts which might leave files open.g  A If for some reason you choose not to do that, then your one error F routine could unconditionally do CLOSE/NOLOG commands for all 3 files.E  If the file is already closed, it doesn't matter -- there's no error9 message.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:51:13 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)eE Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?i1 Message-ID: <lQkcb.5555$HD1.362@news.cpqcorp.net>-  4 In article <gGM0SM6QnukZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:o  @ >When writing DCL, it is best to open files with something like: >B# >	$	CLOSE/ERROR=NOT_OPEN_17 FILE_17t >	$ NOT_OPEN_17:! >	$	OPEN/WRITE FILE_17 <whatever>  >p >At least to cover re-runs.c  F I have had this problem often enough that I tend to write code simliar to what Larry shows above.  F A snytactically simpler way  is to use /LOG (with no "/ERROR=") on the "preemptiv"e close.  E.g.:       $   CLOSE/LOG FILE_17e%     $   OPEN/WRITE FILE_17 <whatever>s  . However, this method will display a warning --  H     %DCL-W-UNDFILE, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name  I in the "normal" situation (i.e. when the file is not open), while Larry'stB code will not.  Either method will continue and [re]open the file.   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:24:27 GMToF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?t2 Message-ID: <vjlcb.5560$IC1.4006@news.cpqcorp.net>  ; This is not a promise or commitment by HP: but I looked andh9 found that the lexical function F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES doesn't ; have a way to check for open files, and it probably should.e< So I entered a suggestion into our internal tracking system,> and was told it would be put on the list for a future release. It should be fairly easy to do.e   -- y(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:21:52 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?f) Message-ID: <3F71E0B8.8C907B54@istop.com>x   Charlie Hammond wrote: >     $   CLOSE/LOG FILE_17.' >     $   OPEN/WRITE FILE_17 <whatever>: > 0 > However, this method will display a warning -- > J >     %DCL-W-UNDFILE, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name     What would be wrong with:c  5 $IF F$TRNLNM("FILE_17") .nes. ""  THEN CLOSE FILE_17 h  K If file_17 was defined as a non DCL file prior to execution, you would thenCM get a nasty DCL message with the close command, which would let you know thateF your dcl procedure has some conflict of logical names with your normal interactive dcl environment.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 14:03:52 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?i3 Message-ID: <mh5IPJCUZ87i@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <c4bfc78e.0309240731.65a3a9ac@posting.google.com>, byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) writes:v > C > What I'm trying to do is every so often one of the input files is H > corrupted and causes the script to exit leaving the files hanging open  > which I have to close by hand.  ?    That's what I thought you were up against.  A few proper "on C    warning", "on control_y", ... and your script exit can catch and8    deal with the errors.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:40:18 GMTw3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)dE Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?a1 Message-ID: <Cqmcb.5579$DM1.171@news.cpqcorp.net>   V In article <3F71E0B8.8C907B54@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >Charlie Hammond wrote:e >>     $   CLOSE/LOG FILE_17( >>     $   OPEN/WRITE FILE_17 <whatever> >> l1 >> However, this method will display a warning --  >>  K >>     %DCL-W-UNDFILE, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name  >                p >                        t >What would be wrong with: >o6 >$IF F$TRNLNM("FILE_17") .nes. ""  THEN CLOSE FILE_17   J This assumes that the file is always opened with the logical name FILE_17.G That assumption is not always valid.  Why make unnecessary assumptions?P   -- "J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:10:07 -0400n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?r) Message-ID: <3F71FA10.D7E499FA@istop.com>p   Charlie Hammond wrote: > >>     $   CLOSE/LOG FILE_17* > >>     $   OPEN/WRITE FILE_17 <whatever>   > >What would be wrong with: > >r7 > >$IF F$TRNLNM("FILE_17") .nes. ""  THEN CLOSE FILE_17- > L > This assumes that the file is always opened with the logical name FILE_17.I > That assumption is not always valid.  Why make unnecessary assumptions?n  H OK then. To be pedantic, woudln't one have to write a program that scansM through the logical name table for logicals whose translation begins with the K tell tale escape sequence, then try to open that file to obtain its FAB andoN NAM block to see if it is the file you are after, and if so, the return to VMS2 with a status code telling DCL to close the file ?  N If assuming "File_17" is bad in my example, isn't it the same with the example you provided ?   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 14:55:38 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)E Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?g= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0309241355.27ab65d6@posting.google.com>   v byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) wrote in message news:<c4bfc78e.0309240731.65a3a9ac@posting.google.com>... > Thanks for everyones help. > D > What's going on is that I have three files, one is used to compareH > agianst another and the third is the output from the processing of the. > stuff being compared in the other two files. > C > What I'm trying to do is every so often one of the input files isoH > corrupted and causes the script to exit leaving the files hanging openH > which I have to close by hand.  If I use the /ERROR qualifier to closeF > the file currupted file, the other two are still open so I'm lookingB > to have one "error" routine to close all three files if they are > hanging open.l > A > I think I have enough info from everyone to work something out.  > 	 > Thanks.   , What /ERROR qualifier are you talking about?  	 Try this:a    $    ON WARNING THEN GOTO _ERROR   <put your program here>i	 $    EXIT  $_ERROR:
 $    SET NOONu $    CLOSE/NOLOG lnm1  a $    CLOSE/NOLOG lnm2s $    CLOSE/NOLOG lnm3c $    EXIT  o  A where lnm1, ..., are the logical names you opened the three files  with.h  D CLOSE/NOLOG will close the file silently, even if it isn't open. TheF SET NOON is only there because in general it's a good idea to start anA error routine with it just in case you have errors executing your E error routine! This way, it will keep on going almost no matter what.a  A Please try not to be so vague in the future and you'll get bettere answers faster.v   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanc   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:01:05 GMT.5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)s, Subject: Re: Strange problem with DLT drivesL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2409032110010001@user-uinj4pb.dialup.mindspring.com>  G In article <NSUkJOmNosnv@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>, nothome@spammers.are.scums (Malcolm Dunnett) wrote:  ) >In article <3F6FA1F3.E5C5B2C8@fsi.net>, i7 >   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >  >> Malcolm Dunnett wrote:. >>> L >>>   I've noticed an odd problem with some of our DLT tape drives recently. >>> P >>>   I run a VMS backup job on the drive. I do a compare pass. Everything looksP >>> fine - BACKUP reports no errors - no "clean tape drive" lights on the drive.P >>> But when I reload the tape into the same drive it bounces around for a whileL >>> trying to load the tape - then finally loads it but with the "clean tapeH >>> drive" light on. When I attempt to mount the tape mount VMS tells me	 the labeliH >>> is blank. Any attempt to read the tape produces many minutes of tape spinning >>> followed by a parity error.k >>> O >>>   I can then take this tape to a different drive and it will mount and readh >>> just fine. >>> + >>>   Anyone else seen something like this?e >>   >> Yes.P >> I# >> What DLT drives are you running?c >>   >tC >   I'm seeing it on a DLT 2000XT and a DLT 4000. Both are directlyw, >connected to (different) Alphaserver DS20s.  H We saw similar behavior from a heavily-used DLT 4000 after about 3 yearsI of service.  We sent it for "flat-rate" service, and it came back workinguC perfectly.  They didn't tell us what particular problem they fixed.s   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Sep 2003 02:20:06 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.come, Subject: Re: Strange problem with DLT drives+ Message-ID: <bktjcm0cjs@enews3.newsguy.com>   F In comp.sys.dec Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspringdot.com> wrote:J > We saw similar behavior from a heavily-used DLT 4000 after about 3 yearsK > of service.  We sent it for "flat-rate" service, and it came back workingsE > perfectly.  They didn't tell us what particular problem they fixed.   H Did you use cleaning tapes on the drive a lot?  If so the drive head wasH probably messed up.  For longer life, avoid unnecessary drive cleanings.   			Zanet   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:16:31 +0100r9 From: "covendotartdottalk21dotcom" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> A Subject: TCPWARE v5.4-3 Patch 19.0, TCPware_FTP process "hanging"a3 Message-ID: <bMKdnad6EtFNuO-iU-KYjQ@brightview.com>   3 X-posted to c.o.v because it seems that nobody usessC vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware any more, other than film pirates...p  H I don't suppose anyone here is still running TCPWARE at v5.4-3, is using3 Patch #19, and is having FTP work with no problems?T  F Due to the production environment, all patches of any description mustJ go through a qualification period first of all, and the time taken to rollD out across the network in the small "window of opportunity" with theF limited resources we have means we are somewhat behind in versions (asH TCP/IP isn't really used on the boxes, but one customer is using it, has9 recently upgraded to this patch, and is having problems).c  ? The symptomn is that you can't open a control connection to thesI TCPware_FTP process after a seemingly arbitrary number of FTP operations.t  J When I examined the "hung" state on the customer's machine, it was showingG the process in a HIB state, but SDA showed that the process was gettingtH CPU every quantum, though the PC didn't seem to move, and the I/O counts% didn't increase (buffered or direct).c  K Examining the log file, I found that there had been ~1,600 connections intoe+ the TCPware_FTP server prior to it hanging.   J As a test, I tried to reproduce this on one of our systems (where we stillH use DECnet for inter-nodal transfers), whereby a batch job on one systemF (running on an even older version of TCPware!) connected to the remoteI system about 630 times (on each occasion, pulling a 1 block file from theo& 5.4-3 P19 server) before it too, hung.  H Analysis of the INET and MBX devices it was using, in SDA, didn't reveal anything obvious either.  H Restarting TCPware, and repeating the test caused it to lock up at after about 240 such connections.O  J I've looked on Process's website, but can't find any later patch kits, andJ it indicates that P19 is still supported (though curiously, the ECO searchJ utility will only find the ECO if you type the ECO name in exactly - a bitG difficult to do if you don't know it exists (i.e. for users using 5.4-3 " who haven't yet migrated to P19)).  A Anyone seen anything like this, or got some (polite) suggestions?s     Regards,     Mark   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 2003 18:46:26 GMT+ From: Eric Milkie <eam23@beethovenSPAM.com>o? Subject: Re: Telnet binary differences between Multinet and UCXl1 Message-ID: <bksoq2$n4n$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu>o  @ djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) wrote on Wed 24 Sep 2003 09:22:25a: i  G > Rather depends what you're up to. Perhaps if you can tell us why this < > is a problem, someone can suggest an alternative strategy.  K Sure.  I (my company) has already implemented a packet-based protocol over CH Telnet.  The client is a Windows-based application and the host runs on E VMS.  The client also acts as an interactive terminal server (VT 100 sK compliant) which allows a user to log in to VMS.  After logging in, a user eJ can run my application, which first switches the terminal to PASTHRU mode K and then begins sending data through the proprietary protocol.  This works sJ fine on a node running UCX, but on Multinet, the data stream is corrupted C because CR's are becoming CR NUL's.  We can't change the client to  L untranslate these because we've already released the software.  It would be 6 impossible to get everyone to upgrade to a new client.  J I also considered having the client transmit the IAC command to switch to H binary mode (instead of the server), but the problem is it doesn't know L when to send it.  If we send it at the beginning of the connection then UCX K immediately puts the terminal into PASSALL mode and then important control oL keys like Backspace no longer function properly. This makes interactive DCL  use unworkable.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:49:34 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t? Subject: Re: Telnet binary differences between Multinet and UCXe' Message-ID: <3F723B9E.788F27ED@fsi.net>M   Eric Milkie wrote: > B > djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) wrote on Wed 24 Sep 2003 > 09:22:25a: > I > > Rather depends what you're up to. Perhaps if you can tell us why thish> > > is a problem, someone can suggest an alternative strategy. > L > Sure.  I (my company) has already implemented a packet-based protocol overI > Telnet.  The client is a Windows-based application and the host runs onsF > VMS.  The client also acts as an interactive terminal server (VT 100L > compliant) which allows a user to log in to VMS.  After logging in, a userK > can run my application, which first switches the terminal to PASTHRU mode L > and then begins sending data through the proprietary protocol.  This worksK > fine on a node running UCX, but on Multinet, the data stream is corruptedtD > because CR's are becoming CR NUL's.  We can't change the client toM > untranslate these because we've already released the software.  It would be 8 > impossible to get everyone to upgrade to a new client. > K > I also considered having the client transmit the IAC command to switch toaI > binary mode (instead of the server), but the problem is it doesn't knowgM > when to send it.  If we send it at the beginning of the connection then UCXvL > immediately puts the terminal into PASSALL mode and then important controlM > keys like Backspace no longer function properly. This makes interactive DCL  > use unworkable.    Ouch!i  H Sorry to have to say it, but it looks like you painted yourselves into a corner.u  F V(x+1) here you come! Next time around, do some more thorough testing,D and partner with Process Software who can help you avoid rather than work-around the problems.m   -- u David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:00:12 -0400-$ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>< Subject: Unexplained DECwindows activity - security concern?J Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B333@lespaul.process.com>  * OpenVMS V7.3 on an Alphastation 200 4/233.  - I came back from lunch today to find the disk3/ activity light indiciating substantial activity ( on what should have been an idle system.  2 I narrowed it to a subprocess of a process running4 DECW$CLOCK.  The subprocess was running DTSCREEN.EXE+ and was consuming about 5% of the CPU time.e  1 I killed the subprocess to see what would happen.o  . I didn't notice any effect other than the disk. activity stopping.  In 20 seconds of CPU time,- the process had performed 39 DIOs, 37879 BIOs * and 403 page faults. The process had 10910- virtual pages, and was running at priority 0.n  + The DECwindows clock program running in ther0 parent process continued normally after I killed the subprocess.e  0 The PC when I killed it was EXE$QIO_C+530, which2 I know doesn't reveal much.  While it was running,2 I did some SHOW DEVICE/FILES commands, but nothing
 stood out.  - Seeing unexplained activity from a DECwindows21 component made me think of the mandatory securityt1 patch that came out some time ago, but I'll admitt4 I never installed it.  I assumed it was unnecessary / because I don't run any TCP/IP product on that t particular machine.n  5 Why did the subprocess exist?  What does DTSCREEN do?i Do I need the security patch?     Looking forward to any insights,   -Mike Duffyt   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:39:36 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)@ Subject: Re: Unexplained DECwindows activity - security concern?3 Message-ID: <cincb.86478$hd6.949927@news.chello.at>j  q In article <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B333@lespaul.process.com>, Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com> writes:r6 >Why did the subprocess exist?  What does DTSCREEN do?  
 Screen Saver.    >Do I need the security patch?  H It is not required for MOTIF V1.3.1 ==> You could also upgrade MOTIF ;-)   -- c Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialists E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 14:00:43 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)-+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articleM3 Message-ID: <7lF7BqiI6Ws4@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  h In article <d7791aa1.0309240613.2022c136@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > B > you mean trying to run mission critical ... vms clusters are the2 > only mission critical platform that actually is   I    I have no real heartaches with the notion of running mission critical eE    applications on RSX, vxWorks, MVS, and several others.  VMS is not     the _only_, just the best.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:37:48 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>D+ Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Linux articleV' Message-ID: <3F7238DC.E0A03608@fsi.net>o   Greg Cagle wrote:  >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > > JF Mezei wrote:  > >e > >>"David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >>L > >>>Yes and no. Linus did his best to emulate the UN*X kernel. Linux is not  > >>>UN*X and UN*X is not Linux. > >>O > >>When you look at AIX,  Tru64, HP-UX, SCO, BSD and any other commercial UnixTQ > >>available from smaller companies, are they really all the "same" ? Does Linux-J > >>really stand out out of the crowd with the only one having significant > >>internal differences ? > >e > >lL > > Dunno, but I'd expect Linux to be written from the ground up to use moreI > > of x86's unique features than anything evolved from "the first" UNIX.N > F > Disagree - Linux runs on too many chips and architectures to be that > x86-specific.t  F As I understand it, Linus wrote it on his 386. It has, of course, been- enhanced and ported quite a bit since then...    -- a David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:58:26 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> " Subject: Re: VMS system on the webA Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030924115749.00bb8fe0@raptor.psccos.com>e  / At 11:55 AM 9/24/2003, Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:e >Mike Price wrote: >AC >>AFter nearly 15 years workign on VMS I was made redundant abotu 2c/ >>years ago and I am now teaching IT in school.oG >>Part of the A level sylabus is operating systems so I thought I could>G >>introduce some of the next generation of programmers etc. to a propersD >>operating system while they are still young. - otherwise they will >>only see Windows >>H >>SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is there aF >>VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so that they@ >>can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated. >>B >>N.B. school budgets are rather small and tight ( I thought I had6 >>problems industry!!:-) so it would need to be "free" >> >>L >Why don't you just buy a hobbyist system and bring that in?  For less than ) >$100 you could give them local hands on!f   Tax-deductible, too! <grin>e   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 14:08:45 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web3 Message-ID: <cm34fH3unYL1@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  l In article <f2c2207.0309240829.635d1797@posting.google.com>, michael_e_price@talk21.com (Mike Price) writes: > H > SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is there aF > VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so that they@ > can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated. > B > N.B. school budgets are rather small and tight ( I thought I had6 > problems industry!!:-) so it would need to be "free"  @    Hobbes the vax, and vax6k come to mind.  You shold be able to:    track them down fairly quickly via Altavista or Google.  H    A good cheap used system off eBay might not break your budget.  Check    into software pricing first.n   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 2003 19:23:07 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web9 Message-ID: <bksquq$5nf28$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>b  ) In article <3F71D3BF.E5272DE5@istop.com>,e- 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:c > Mike Price wrote:lI >> SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is there a G >> VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so that they A >> can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated.s > M > This would be a perfect MARKETING opportunity for VMS. Come to think of it,tN > Digital should put up such a system (a fast Alpha) on the net, complete with > xwindows etc etc.   8 Where have you been??   Digital is dead a long time now.   > 9 > It would not only give those students a taste for VMS, r  E There are still people working with those students everyday who wouldnD like to do this.  All it would take is a workable Education License.  P >                                                         but it would also show0 > the world that VMS can safely live on the net.  D Sadly, the world is not even aware of VMS's existence at this point.   > J > Obviously, it would also be a security challenge to give students properN > access to the system. (giving Xwindows access means that a user logged it to9 > that system must be able to make outbound tcpip calls).,  D Before we went off CSLG I used to have students on my VAXen here andB it was always through DECWindows.  There were no inherent security7 problems as a result of it that I ever became aware of.    > N > But I think it would be great for HP to do this. The only problem is that ifO > this becomes too popular, too many schools might want this... But then again, M > those schools would be producing VMS friendly graduates and that would be ao > VERY good thing.  K The number of schools who are even interested is dropping rapidly.  We're acK dying breed. Witht he dearth of VMS in the market today I would imagine theoG general result would be the same as when we taught Ada here.  ComplaintdH letters from former students about spending all that time learning stuff  with no value in the real world.   > M > The neat thing is that there might be a way to provide this service withoutoF > calling it "marketing" (which is forbidden for VMS, as we all know).  G There is.  It's called a usable Educational License.  Sadly, a workable F VMS Educational License seems to be of about the same difficulty as anI educational license for any OS other than Ultrix-11 for the PDP-11's. :-(a   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   o   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 2003 19:25:37 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web9 Message-ID: <bksr3h$5nf28$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>b  % In article <3F71DAA2.50701@mmaz.com>,s. 	"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes: > Mike Price wrote:I > C >>AFter nearly 15 years workign on VMS I was made redundant abotu 2e/ >>years ago and I am now teaching IT in school.bG >>Part of the A level sylabus is operating systems so I thought I could-G >>introduce some of the next generation of programmers etc. to a properoD >>operating system while they are still young. - otherwise they will >>only see Windows >>H >>SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is there aF >>VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so that they@ >>can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated. >>B >>N.B. school budgets are rather small and tight ( I thought I had6 >>problems industry!!:-) so it would need to be "free" >> >>   >>H > Why don't you just buy a hobbyist system and bring that in?  For less / > than $100 you could give them local hands on!w >   6 Not legally.  And most schools really care about that.   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:21:09 -0400o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web) Message-ID: <3F71D281.7E239EF3@istop.com>P   Mike Price wrote:gH > SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is there aF > VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so that they@ > can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated.  F How many users are you talking about ? What sort of work would they be% expected to do ? Is speed important ?i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:34:41 GMTu2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web; Message-ID: <RAkcb.18474$Af4.3736@twister.southeast.rr.com>n   Deathrow Public OpenVMS Clustert http://deathrow.vistech.net/   -- Kenneth Farmer  <><u OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org       : "Mike Price" <michael_e_price@talk21.com> wrote in message6 news:f2c2207.0309240829.635d1797@posting.google.com...C > AFter nearly 15 years workign on VMS I was made redundant abotu 2h/ > years ago and I am now teaching IT in school.cG > Part of the A level sylabus is operating systems so I thought I could G > introduce some of the next generation of programmers etc. to a properkD > operating system while they are still young. - otherwise they will > only see Windows >eH > SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is there aF > VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so that they@ > can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated. > B > N.B. school budgets are rather small and tight ( I thought I had6 > problems industry!!:-) so it would need to be "free" >h > TIA  >t > Mike Price (ex programmer)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:26:27 -0400l* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web) Message-ID: <3F71D3BF.E5272DE5@istop.com>d   Mike Price wrote:gH > SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is there aF > VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so that they@ > can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated.  K This would be a perfect MARKETING opportunity for VMS. Come to think of it,iL Digital should put up such a system (a fast Alpha) on the net, complete with xwindows etc etc.   M It would not only give those students a taste for VMS, but it would also show,. the world that VMS can safely live on the net.  H Obviously, it would also be a security challenge to give students properL access to the system. (giving Xwindows access means that a user logged it to7 that system must be able to make outbound tcpip calls).s  L But I think it would be great for HP to do this. The only problem is that ifM this becomes too popular, too many schools might want this... But then again,uK those schools would be producing VMS friendly graduates and that would be at VERY good thing.  K The neat thing is that there might be a way to provide this service without D calling it "marketing" (which is forbidden for VMS, as we all know).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:12:55 +0100a) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> " Subject: Re: VMS system on the web? Message-ID: <G8lcb.3469$%G1.2635@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>-   Dan O'Reilly wrote:e  1 > At 11:55 AM 9/24/2003, Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:eI >> Why don't you just buy a hobbyist system and bring that in?  For less  0 >> than $100 you could give them local hands on!  F But he's in the UK (see "A Levels" and correct usage of "school" :-)) B and he's an underpaid teacher and suddenly you've thrown currency  conversion charges at him too!   > Tax-deductible, too! <grin>   7 Not a hope. OTOH he won't have to pay a professional toR make up his tax return for him!w  8 As for the actual request, I know that there were people6 who made their VMS boxes available over the net, but I2 cannot find any of them right now. (This was a few* years ago, so maybe they are gone anyway).  7 There have been systems made available via this and thec7 other DEC newsgroups, so keeping an eye open could lead : to a free VAX or Alpha. The hobbyist licence was discussed only a few days ago too.   Antonio    --   ---------------t- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgc   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 2003 22:34:19 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com>" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web0 Message-ID: <slrnbn46vb.nb.thierry@VENUS.Family>  F In article <cm34fH3unYL1@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Bob Koehler wrote:> > In article <f2c2207.0309240829.635d1797@posting.google.com>,1 > michael_e_price@talk21.com (Mike Price) writes:  >> eG >> SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is thererD >> a VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so thatF >> they can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated. >> 'C >> N.B. school budgets are rather small and tight ( I thought I had 7 >> problems industry!!:-) so it would need to be "free"c > H >    Hobbes the vax, and vax6k come to mind.  You shold be able to track6 >    them down fairly quickly via Altavista or Google.  A vax6k (http://vax6k.openecs.org) is afaik down because of missingoG donations (6k vaxen must dig big holes into the electricity bills :-/ )t6 polarhome also has a VAX and an Alpha running OpenVMS.   Thierry-   -- -? I will tell you if you solemnly promise to tell everybody else.e  --Oscar Wilde   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2003 14:11:03 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web3 Message-ID: <Gw$FOa7m$tpw@eisner.encompasserve.org>L  S In article <3F71DAA2.50701@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:l >>H > Why don't you just buy a hobbyist system and bring that in?  For less / > than $100 you could give them local hands on!-  E    It wasn't clear to me that the poster wasn't coming from a privates@    school.  Since they exist to make money, the bobbyist programF    might not apply to them.  But in most cases I think a teacher could    have a system as a hobby.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.531 ************************H     %DCL-W-UNDFILE, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name  I in the "normal" situation (i.e. when the file is not open), while Larry'stB code will not.  Either method will continue and [re]open the file.   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- red.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at