1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 25 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 532       Contents:+ Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch 0 Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way?P Re: Another question about the temporary text files used by MAIL (Was: strangene0 Availability of clusterwide logicals during boot4 Re: Availability of clusterwide logicals during boot4 Re: Availability of clusterwide logicals during boot
 Re: BootCamp? 2 Re: Can anyone here be possibly surprised at this?2 Re: Can anyone here be possibly surprised at this? Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org  Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org  Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org 7 Re: HP to Linux users: "Go ahead.  I've got your back." 7 Re: HP to Linux users: "Go ahead.  I've got your back." 7 Re: HP to Linux users: "Go ahead.  I've got your back." 7 Re: HP to Linux users: "Go ahead.  I've got your back." ( Re: Linux is the favourite hacker target( Re: Linux is the favourite hacker target( Re: Linux is the favourite hacker target Locale problem (CRTL routine) ! Re: Locale problem (CRTL routine) + Memo:  Re: ppp on OpenVMS for remote access " Microsoft dominance threatens U.S. MOP device types 226 and 218 New round of cuts at HP  Re: Nice touch, AMD  Re: Nice touch, AMD  Re: Nice touch, AMD  Re: Nice touch, AMD ! Re: non-interactive audio capture D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?D Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?< Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?( Shadowed disk not dismounted on shutdown, Re: Shadowed disk not dismounted on shutdown3 Re: SMTP to PMDF IMAP vms mail w/attachments hosed? # Re: Strange problem with DLT drives 6 Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL6 Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL< Re: TCPWARE v5.4-3 Patch 19.0, TCPware_FTP process "hanging"4 USA - Alpha/VAX Hardware Field Engineers needed ASAP. VMS "is" affordable for small/medium business! Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web  Re: VMS system on the web / Re: [Bah!] Linux is the favourite hacker target  [HELP] MAIL.MAI deleted ...  Re: [HELP] MAIL.MAI deleted ... ( [OT] Ada, Was: Re: VMS system on the web  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:05:30 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch8 Message-ID: <0646nvotidgg9to342pb6fn71019pcotk9@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:04:48 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy . <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote: H >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:20:30 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy1 >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  >>   >>   >>>jlsue wrote:  >>   >>  L >>>>The real point is, of course, that your initial statement is wrong.  HisO >>>>counter-example proves that your argument lacks veracity of fact.  Thus, it M >>>>would not be mis-placed criticism to ask that you back up your statement,  >>>>or withdraw it.  >>>> >>> > >>>The real point is that my origional statement was correct.  >>   >>  & >> Please review your statement below: >>   >>   >>>>>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bjni1b$ipu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>? >>>>>>>Losing market share in all their markets as HP have done  >>>>>> >>  N >> Your statement indescriminately used "all there [HP's] markets", which fromC >> a logic perspective, can be disproven with one single example.    >>   > 6 >Your boards letter to your shareholders refers to the7 >PC market (as a whole) the Storage market (as a whole)  >etc.  > 5 >http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/18jan02b.htm  > J >"The merger will enable us to quickly address HP's current challenges in G >the personal computer business by reducing costs, improving operating  @ >margins and leveraging Compaq's successful direct distribution . >capability." (Note no reference to Notebooks)  G You're kidding, right?  That's the extent of your logical argument?  It K says "personal computer business", not market, btw.  It's entirely possible I that a single business unit can provide products and services to multiple  markets.  G But that's just another deflection to a silly side issue, and you still G don't realize that increases in the notebook market are worthy of note. 1 You argue such mundane details sometimes, really.   I And, again, you ignore the other markets that were noted by Keith Parris: " NSS and Industry Standard Servers.  J Those also are counter examples and prove the lack of veracity in the "all markets" characterization.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:45:26 -0400 - From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> 9 Subject: Re: A flood of spams - another virus on the way? 0 Message-ID: <3F730D96.A7E44611@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Jonathan Boswell wrote: Q > TCPIP Services V5.3 ECO 1 which shows a blank header in VMS mail and DECWindows ) > mail, despite the fact that it's there.   G A thousand pardons.  I meant to write "a blank SUBJECT" in VMS mail and  DECwindows mail.H Of course I can look at the actual header and see something of the form:  8                    SUBJECT: Current Net Critical Upgrade  L The subject is displayed properly when this header is spelled in mixed case, i.e. "Subject:".     - JB   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:15:46 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)Y Subject: Re: Another question about the temporary text files used by MAIL (Was: strangene $ Message-ID: <bku4n2$l3j$2@online.de>  ? In article <OF95879698.D86F661D-ON85256DAB.005FB59D@metso.com>,  norm.raphael@metso.com writes:   > M > I had a detached process that executed the MAIL command, and was getting an  > ERROR deletingC > a file of the form SYS$SCRATCH:[username]MAIL_203470C7_SEND.TMP;1 A > because the detached process had no definition for SYS$SCRATCH. I > (I assume the actual file spec it was trying to delete was SYS$SCRATCH:  > MAIL_203470C7_SEND.TMP;1, H > but because SYS$SCRATCH was not translatable, it was taken as a device > name.) > 3 > I added the definition and the message went away.   ? Interesting, but not related to my problem (as you note below).    > My question is:  > K > Where did the file that could not be deleted get written before I defined  > SYS$SCRATCH?  4 If not explicitly defined, SYS$SCRATCH is SYS$LOGIN.  K > Note that I got no error about not being able to create the file, and the " > mail command worked as expected.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 05:18:46 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Availability of clusterwide logicals during boot ) Message-ID: <3F72B2F6.ECD90474@istop.com>   N Am investigating why one piece of software doesn't seem to start during systemN boot. This is the only one which relies on a clusterwide logical name to existL during execution of systartup_vms.com. (this name is defined by another node5 which hosts the drive on which the software resides).   H Obviously, I have to modify the DCL to handle the case when this logical= doesn't exist. But I'd like to undertstand this a bit better.   L When node2 joins a cluster formed by node1, how long does it take before theN clusterwide logicals created by node1 become available on node2 ? Can I assumeK that by the time systartup_vms executes, the booting node will have already 7 assimilated the clusterwide logicals from other nodes ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:35:19 +0200 < From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>= Subject: Re: Availability of clusterwide logicals during boot 8 Message-ID: <bkugda$662h0$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote: B > Am investigating why one piece of software doesn't seem to start< > during system boot. This is the only one which relies on a7 > clusterwide logical name to exist during execution of F > systartup_vms.com. (this name is defined by another node which hosts, > the drive on which the software resides).  > B > Obviously, I have to modify the DCL to handle the case when thisG > logical doesn't exist. But I'd like to undertstand this a bit better.  > C > When node2 joins a cluster formed by node1, how long does it take F > before the clusterwide logicals created by node1 become available onC > node2 ? Can I assume that by the time systartup_vms executes, the E > booting node will have already assimilated the clusterwide logicals  > from other nodes ?    < See the "OpenVMS Cluster Systems" manual, especially section9 5.5 (Defining and Accessing Clusterwide Logical Names) at < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4477/4477pro_007.html   <quote> F OpenVMS will ensure that the clusterwide database has been initialized% before SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM is executed.  </quote>   cu,    Martin --  F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 07:38:48 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: Availability of clusterwide logicals during boot 3 Message-ID: <l1pc$Ip+8koY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3F72B2F6.ECD90474@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:P > Am investigating why one piece of software doesn't seem to start during systemP > boot. This is the only one which relies on a clusterwide logical name to existN > during execution of systartup_vms.com. (this name is defined by another node7 > which hosts the drive on which the software resides).  > J > Obviously, I have to modify the DCL to handle the case when this logical? > doesn't exist. But I'd like to undertstand this a bit better.  > N > When node2 joins a cluster formed by node1, how long does it take before theP > clusterwide logicals created by node1 become available on node2 ? Can I assumeM > that by the time systartup_vms executes, the booting node will have already 9 > assimilated the clusterwide logicals from other nodes ?   E   Can't you simply have the sylogicals.com on all the nodes execute a B   command file on the cluster common disk (where sysuaf et.al. are=   stored) to make sure that the logicals are defined prior to    systartup_vms.com?          ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:05:25 +0200 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> Subject: Re: BootCamp?, Message-ID: <bku7fa$ijd7@doiweb4.wob.vw.vwg>   Didier Morandi wrote:  > Sue, > C > Can you share with us how many registrations do you have for the  $ > November VMS bootcamp as of today? > 	 > Thanks,  >  > D.E I had the pleasure of meeting her at the german TUD meeting, she said   something of 95 seats available.   --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards     Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de - mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 06:54:56 -0700- From: djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) ; Subject: Re: Can anyone here be possibly surprised at this? = Message-ID: <66a00d01.0309250554.2e7a7df9@posting.google.com>   s "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<N9ncb.82531$Ch2.38219@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... < > $100 sez HP will do nothing to promote VMS with ammo like.  A Y'know what? I finally found the ideal job for that character who F pretty much IS Sector7: sign him on as Senior VP of OpenVMS Marketing.D He jumps on other events where the competition stumbles (he's really@ rather a vulture!), he'd be the perfect one to tout VMS when the/ incumbent system's soft under-belly is exposed.   B Of course, that would take more chutzpah(sp?) than DEC / Q / hp is capable of showing.   7 ...which is why the likes of him would be a good thing.   F I believe that EVERYone is good for something, even if only to be heldD up as a bad example. This is one case where an enemy could be turned into a powerful ally!    ---  David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:25:56 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ; Subject: Re: Can anyone here be possibly surprised at this? 0 Message-ID: <bkuqdd$od4$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   John Smith wrote: < > $100 sez HP will do nothing to promote VMS with ammo like. >  >  >     Don't think HP are even a member   No points for guessing why.    Regards  Andrew Harrison 4 > http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20030924S0008 > 3 > Reliance On Microsoft Danger To National Security $ > September 24, 2003 (3:38 p.m. EST)  > By Gregg Keizer , TechWeb News > E > A panel of leading security experts Wednesday blasted Microsoft for K > vulnerabilities in its software, and warned that reliance on the Redmond, F > Wash.-based developer's software is a danger to both enterprises and > national security.N > The group, which debuted its report at the first day of a two-day conferenceJ > hosted by the Computer & Communications Industry Association (CCIA), wasH > headed by Dan Geer, the chief technology officer of @Stake, a security > consulting firm. > L > "As fast as the world's computing infrastructure is growing, vulnerability0 > to attack is growing faster still," said Geer. > I > "Microsoft's attempts to tightly integrate myriad applications with its M > operating system have significantly contributed to excessive complexity and I > vulnerability. This deterioration of security compounds when nearly all A > computers rely on a single operating system subject to the same . > vulnerabilities the world over," Geer added. > J > Ed Black, the CEO and president of CCIA, whose members include Microsoft: > competitors such as Sun and Oracle, was even more blunt. > N > "Microsoft's monopoly threatens consumers in a number of ways, it it's clearL > it is now also a threat to our security, our safety, and even our national > security." >  > ......... more.....  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 09:40:17 +0200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)  Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org+ Message-ID: <HVdI49WDBYvY@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   i In article <vQpcb.573894$uu5.94188@sccrnsc04>, "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net> writes:  > Ken, > J > I liked the site and have a few procedures that I intend to donate soon. > K > It would be useful to have some kind of feedback mechanism.  I downloaded M > the FINDJOB procedure and tried it today.  I found several problems with it J > and fixed them.  The procedure does not work as posted. It hangs.  MaybeK > something got clobbered in the upload process.  I sent mail to the author K > with the revisions, but this sort of feedback should be available on your  > site.  >   1 Yes,right, FINDJOB got scrambled during "upload". H better get them again from my web site (actually my working DCL$PATH !):  <   URL:  http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/util_root/com/findjob.com  J Maybe, Ken, it would be better to offer a way to upload via an URL instead the text widget only ?I I know , one can put the URL instead of the content, but then it defeats   dcl.openvms.org as an archive.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:44:05 GMT 2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org7 Message-ID: <pqBcb.430$1q.158@twister.southeast.rr.com>    ----- Original Message -----  ) From: "Joseph Huber" <huber@mppmu.mpg.de>  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms * Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:40 AM Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org    > > In article <vQpcb.573894$uu5.94188@sccrnsc04>, "Tom Simpson", <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net> writes: > > Ken, > > L > > I liked the site and have a few procedures that I intend to donate soon. > > B > > It would be useful to have some kind of feedback mechanism.  I
 downloadedL > > the FINDJOB procedure and tried it today.  I found several problems with itL > > and fixed them.  The procedure does not work as posted. It hangs.  MaybeF > > something got clobbered in the upload process.  I sent mail to the authorH > > with the revisions, but this sort of feedback should be available on your	 > > site.  > >  > 3 > Yes,right, FINDJOB got scrambled during "upload". J > better get them again from my web site (actually my working DCL$PATH !): > > >   URL:  http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/util_root/com/findjob.com > L > Maybe, Ken, it would be better to offer a way to upload via an URL instead > the text widget only ?J > I know , one can put the URL instead of the content, but then it defeats  > dcl.openvms.org as an archive.  I I've already been working on an upload script.  It's kinda half-way done.   K The weblog doesn't seem like it's going to be the best solution.  I'm going I to try and find another solution.  I just don't have the time to make all = the changes.  It would require a near re-write of the weblog.   ( I'll keep the group informed of changes.   Thanks for the input.    kf   --
 Ken Farmer OpenVMS.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:04:27 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Re: dcl.OpenVMS.org4 Message-ID: <3f731215$0$20150$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Ken Farmer wrote: K > I've already been working on an upload script.  It's kinda half-way done.  > M > The weblog doesn't seem like it's going to be the best solution.  I'm going K > to try and find another solution.  I just don't have the time to make all ? > the changes.  It would require a near re-write of the weblog.   F In case you run WASD (http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd), let me know and I . send you a bunch of DCL scripts for uploading.   D.! (former advanced WASD programmer)  --  - Didier Morandi sarl au capital de 8 000 euros                      Tout VMS.   5 avenue Albert Durand, 31700 Blagnac France.   Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287  Fax: 33(0)5 6171 3500&           http://www.didiermorandi.com$             RCS Toulouse 448 694 851   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 04:35:34 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) @ Subject: Re: HP to Linux users: "Go ahead.  I've got your back."3 Message-ID: <FVxkFu9IDq3G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <cf15391e.0309241357.4dd9dd5d@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: E > HP offers indemnity for its Linux customers against legal action by  > SCO. >  > EnterpriseLinux.org:C > http://www.enterpriselinux.org/stories.php?story=03/09/24/1330896  > ? > I notice SCO Group (SCOX) stock dropped 9% today on the news.   8 That sounds like "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" reasoning.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 08:03:12 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)@ Subject: Re: HP to Linux users: "Go ahead.  I've got your back."3 Message-ID: <m5mtx8G9J91T@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <cf15391e.0309241357.4dd9dd5d@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: E > HP offers indemnity for its Linux customers against legal action by  > SCO. >   I Hopefully people will realise that HP would never do this if they thought G that SCO actually had a case, so it will hopefully help cut through the  SCO FUD.  H > A quick Google search indicates IBM and Dell have refused to indemnifyF > their Linux customers, and ever-helpful Sun will indemnify them only > if they switch to Solaris.  K You left off RedHat, who have also said that they will not indemnify. Don't ? forget however that RedHat have launched a lawsuit against SCO.   M As for Sun, the left hand does not seem to know what the right hand is doing. K First they finance SCO in the form of license deals (read SCO's latest 10-Q H for details; you will find it on the SEC's website), and then they start promoting Linux...   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:12:34 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> @ Subject: Re: HP to Linux users: "Go ahead.  I've got your back."0 Message-ID: <bkupkb$o2c$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Simon Clubley wrote:s > In article <cf15391e.0309241357.4dd9dd5d@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:  > E >>HP offers indemnity for its Linux customers against legal action by  >>SCO. >> >  > K > Hopefully people will realise that HP would never do this if they thought I > that SCO actually had a case, so it will hopefully help cut through the 
 > SCO FUD. >  > H >>A quick Google search indicates IBM and Dell have refused to indemnifyF >>their Linux customers, and ever-helpful Sun will indemnify them only >>if they switch to Solaris. >  > M > You left off RedHat, who have also said that they will not indemnify. Don't A > forget however that RedHat have launched a lawsuit against SCO.  > O > As for Sun, the left hand does not seem to know what the right hand is doing. M > First they finance SCO in the form of license deals (read SCO's latest 10-Q J > for details; you will find it on the SEC's website), and then they start > promoting Linux... >   7 My comiserations, not being able to tell the difference 9 between a technology licensing agreement and a conspiracy & theory must be very difficult for you.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  > Simon. >    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 12:02:05 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)@ Subject: Re: HP to Linux users: "Go ahead.  I've got your back."3 Message-ID: <5AYJQ625QaWs@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <bkupkb$o2c$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > Simon Clubley wrote: >>  P >> As for Sun, the left hand does not seem to know what the right hand is doing.N >> First they finance SCO in the form of license deals (read SCO's latest 10-QK >> for details; you will find it on the SEC's website), and then they start  >> promoting Linux...  >>   > 9 > My comiserations, not being able to tell the difference ; > between a technology licensing agreement and a conspiracy ( > theory must be very difficult for you. >   M Ignoring the personal comments, and concentrating on the issue, there seem to J be two main positions. The first one, mainly taken by Sun, is that the SCOI licensing offered an opportunity for Sun to just sort out some technology * licensing issues as Andrew mentions above.  I The other position is that the SCO license offered Sun a way to finance a J campaign against Linux without Sun having to get directly involved in that	 campaign.   M I happen to currently believe in the latter position. However, when the trial K starts (or sooner, if SCO collapses before the trial) then everything about F SCO will be examined in every small detail, so then we will know which position is the correct one.   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 06:14:53 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: Linux is the favourite hacker target = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309250514.4fcb6e6d@posting.google.com>   q ian.burgess@start.com.au (Ian Burgess) wrote in message news:<6b63fc08.0309241536.1b84f230@posting.google.com>... 8 > See globe technology's "The Globe and Mail" article... > W > www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030911.gtlinuxsep11/BNStory/Technology/  > H > Surprising that Linux rates above Microsoft (67% of successful attacks > in August vs 23% for M/S). > # > The complacency of the statement, = > "Just 360 ? less than 2 per cent ? of BSD Unix servers were # > successfully breached in August."  > does boggle the mind, though!  >  > Ian   : and we are being told windoze is a big security risk while< linux is even more so ... of course we just laugh at all the= dopes who try to run their business on windoze/linux garbage!    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 06:14:54 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: Linux is the favourite hacker target = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309250514.2cf4a051@posting.google.com>   q ian.burgess@start.com.au (Ian Burgess) wrote in message news:<6b63fc08.0309241536.1b84f230@posting.google.com>... 8 > See globe technology's "The Globe and Mail" article... > W > www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030911.gtlinuxsep11/BNStory/Technology/  > H > Surprising that Linux rates above Microsoft (67% of successful attacks > in August vs 23% for M/S). > # > The complacency of the statement, = > "Just 360 ? less than 2 per cent ? of BSD Unix servers were # > successfully breached in August."  > does boggle the mind, though!  >  > Ian   : and we are being told windoze is a big security risk while< linux is even more so ... of course we just laugh at all the= dopes who try to run their business on windoze/linux garbage!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:53:25 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-@-alum-mit-edu-nospam>1 Subject: Re: Linux is the favourite hacker target 1 Message-ID: <rrCcb.1519$ws2.5487@news.uswest.net>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3F723350.EA6A50F8@istop.com...  > Ian Burgess wrote: > > : > > See globe technology's "The Globe and Mail" article... > >  > > L www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030911.gtlinuxsep11/BNStory/Te	 chnology/  > > J > > Surprising that Linux rates above Microsoft (67% of successful attacks > > in August vs 23% for M/S). > L > Even more suprising that this would be released at the same time as a moreL > credible report that blames Microsoft software on all the hacking/viruses.  K What report?  Please provide a reference.  All the reports I've been seeing L over the last couple of years are similar to the British Intelligence report* referenced in the globetechnology article.  
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:05:08 +0200 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> & Subject: Locale problem (CRTL routine)/ Message-ID: <bkuekk$vn2$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>    Hi all,   D We use Latin-2 charset in our software (OpenVMS 7.3-1). When I call  setlacale() explicitlyH in program toupper(), tolower(), isspace() routines work fine. But when  I remove setlocale() from < code and set logical name lc_all in process environment for  pl_pl.iso8859-2:   $ def lc_all pl_pl.iso8859-2  B the program won't work properly (of course for polish characters).  H Earlier I installed localization files in SYS$I18N_LOCALE dir, and load 
 needed locale    $ locale load pl_pl.iso8859-2    What is wrong?   Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:23:24 +0200 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> * Subject: Re: Locale problem (CRTL routine)/ Message-ID: <bkuj7d$18b$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>    Robert Trawinski wrote: 	 > Hi all,  > F > We use Latin-2 charset in our software (OpenVMS 7.3-1). When I call  > setlacale() explicitlyJ > in program toupper(), tolower(), isspace() routines work fine. But when  > I remove setlocale() from > > code and set logical name lc_all in process environment for  > pl_pl.iso8859-2: >  > $ def lc_all pl_pl.iso8859-2 > D > the program won't work properly (of course for polish characters). > J > Earlier I installed localization files in SYS$I18N_LOCALE dir, and load  > needed locale  >  > $ locale load pl_pl.iso8859-2  >  > What is wrong? >  > Robert >   D Now I know. I should call setlocale(LC_something, ""). When program * doesn't call setlocale it uses "C" locale.   Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:50:41 +0100  From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com4 Subject: Memo:  Re: ppp on OpenVMS for remote accessE Message-ID: <OF863AB1E3.B69E7B06-ON80256DAC.003B336B@systems.uk.hsbc>    Jim,  ' Your advertised email does not work ...      Jim   G I have a DCL procedure and dialer program that somewhat emulated the MS K 'easy dial' screen. It is however based on a SLIP connection but with a bit I of tweeking may be helpful in your problem. I did not want to presume and I send it unannounced so if you are interested, let me know and I'll zip it  up and send it.    Regards    Paul  K Now that this is in 'public' anyone else interested please contact me for a  copy ...   P            This E-mail is confidential.  R It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, U forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error,  S please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately   by return E-mail.   B Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, B error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any  errors or omissions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:47:47 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com+ Subject: Microsoft dominance threatens U.S. ? Message-ID: <OF71295783.8BD65FFA-ON85256DAC.005BD03D@metso.com>   " Microsoft dominance threatens U.S.H Security experts warn that No. 1 maker of desktop software is also No. 1 target for virus writers.   September 25, 2003: 11:04 AM EDTG http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/25/technology/microsoft_usa.reut/index.htm D Copyright 2003 Reuters All rights reserved. This material may not be2 published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. [...so I can't send the text.]   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 10:37:19 -0700$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)% Subject: MOP device types 226 and 218 = Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0309250937.60d231f2@posting.google.com>   F Does anyone know what uses MOP device type 226 (decimal)? I see two onE our LAN, one with a 08-00-2B OUI, the other with 00-00-F8, so they're C both "DEC-family" addresses, and the only MOP function they support ! (besides Request ID) is loopback.   E This is not very important to me operationally; I just want to add it F to my documentation. We have too many MOP devices out there to look at each physical device.   B And (in case anyone cares) I've recently found that the DEGXA GigEE card has reused the device type 218, which I'd long ago noted as used C by the FDDI port of a PEswitch 900TX (the PEswitch's Ethernet ports 	 use 219).    Thanks,    Galen   5 To E-mail me, just remove the spam from my address...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:07:25 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: New round of cuts at HP) Message-ID: <3F7293F4.99EA4CEB@istop.com>   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11738  ##M AS WE'VE REPORTED earlier, a fresh set of cuts is looming at Hewlett Packard.   N  Staff on the wrong side of the 35% line were told last Monday that their jobs< are in danger,  and layoffs will take place in late October.  N  But just so that everyone feels a bit happier, the people in Tru64 strongholdN Nashua, for  example, are getting a visit from Rich Marcello on September 26th between 9.30 to 11.   P  He will buy them a cup of coffee and chat about things like walruses and kings. ##    L Does anyone know what impact those cuts have had and are expected to have onK VMS and its software (especially with respect to TCPIP which needs a lot of ! work to get it up to snuff) ?????    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:31:23 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Nice touch, AMD2 Message-ID: <j9OcnWydyfmWT--iXTWJkA@metrocast.net>  ; "mist dragon" <mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com> wrote in message 7 news:7500353b.0309240530.6c355e38@posting.google.com... H > > I think you're confused.  While AMD64 allows a 64-bit OS to run both 64-bitC > > and 32-bit programs (the latter in a backward-compatible 32-bit  environment J > > that allows existing IA32 binaries to run unchanged), I don't think it would 0 > > allow a 32-bit OS to run 64-bit applications >o# > Not quite so much as you think :)t  # AFAICT, exactly as much as I think.(   >s? > What you need is an os with modified to take this on account.v  J No, what you need is a processor that will run privileged 32-bit code (notL just unprivileged application-level 32-bit code in a compatibility mode thatK needn't concern itself with executing privileged 32-bit instructions) *and*nJ also execute the extended instructions (which of course weren't present inI the 32-bit processors that the new processor is supposed to be compatible 7 with) necessary to handle 64-bit application processes.     If youc- > read the specs of win64 announcement today,o  K I didn't find any relevant press release at microsoft.com, so I suspect youu mean something else.    it is in fact modified soC > that the base o/s is running 32 bit, but it has WOW64 (windows onuD > windows) shell, that when activated switches to 64 bit mode. A bit) > like WOW16 that runs 16 bit apps on 32.d  I The new Windows OS in beta is a 64-bit implementation.  It does, in fact,eK run 32-bit (as well as 64-bit) applications in a manner somewhat similar to K the way the 32-bit Windows OSs run 16-bit (as well as 32-bit) applications.cG In particular, it uses stub .DLLs to convert the 32-bit API used by the'2 32-bit applications to the OS's native 64-bit API.  L What you describe would be more like the Win32s support built on Windows 3.1G to allow 32-bit applications to run on what was still a 16-bit OS.  Buto$ that's not what the new Win64 OS is.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:22:48 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>e Subject: Re: Nice touch, AMD8 Message-ID: <20030925092248.79df0efb.mathog@caltech.edu>  " On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:31:18 -0400+ "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:    > M > I think you're confused.  While AMD64 allows a 64-bit OS to run both 64-biteM > and 32-bit programs (the latter in a backward-compatible 32-bit environment N > that allows existing IA32 binaries to run unchanged), I don't think it wouldK > allow a 32-bit OS to run 64-bit applications (if for no other reason thaneE > that the 32-bit OS execution environment may well not be capable ofbB > executing the required processor instructions to support that).   G Perhaps not.  But if the OS is bright enough, and the hardware supportsgD it, it should allow multiple 32 bit applications to all run at once,1 whereas on a pure 32 bit OS they could not do so.>A While individual 32 bit applications would still be restricted tolB <2^32 bits the cumulative memory usage of all running applicationsE could be more than 2^32.  This only requires that the OS and hardwareuD present (map) swaths of the 2^64 space into the 2^32 space the olderB applications expect.  This would allow a machine, for instance, toA run 3 or 4 "big" in memory databases, with sufficiently light CPUsD utilization, simultaneously without requiring recoding.  ConceivablyF it could allow consolidation of such applications from multiple 32 bit servers onto a single server.T   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:07:57 +0200n& From: Bob Marcan <bob.marcan@aster.si> Subject: Re: Nice touch, AMD1 Message-ID: <opEcb.3718$2B6.684195@news.siol.net>k   Bill Todd wrote: ...k > K > The new Windows OS in beta is a 64-bit implementation.  It does, in fact,t   Developed on Alpha. :-)      -- aA   Bob Marcan                     mailto:bob.marcan@hermes-plus.si>$   Aster^H^H...HermesPlus^H^H^H...S&TA   Slandrova ul. 2                       tel:    +386 (1) 5895-000tA   1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia              http://www.hermes-plus.sis   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:16:31 -0400r* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Nice touch, AMD2 Message-ID: <jp6cnUfDW4Jyv-6iXTWJhQ@metrocast.net>  4 "David Mathog" <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message2 news:20030925092248.79df0efb.mathog@caltech.edu...$ > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:31:18 -0400- > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:n >m > >,H > > I think you're confused.  While AMD64 allows a 64-bit OS to run both 64-bitC > > and 32-bit programs (the latter in a backward-compatible 32-biti environment J > > that allows existing IA32 binaries to run unchanged), I don't think it would H > > allow a 32-bit OS to run 64-bit applications (if for no other reason thanG > > that the 32-bit OS execution environment may well not be capable ofnC > > executing the required processor instructions to support that).r > I > Perhaps not.  But if the OS is bright enough, and the hardware supports-F > it, it should allow multiple 32 bit applications to all run at once,3 > whereas on a pure 32 bit OS they could not do so.fC > While individual 32 bit applications would still be restricted to4D > <2^32 bits the cumulative memory usage of all running applications > could be more than 2^32.  I I'm not sure how what you describe differs from what NT/2K/XP and PentiumeK have supported (via PAE/AWE mechanisms) for most of the past decade.  I.e., H the Pentium hardware (since PPro, IIRC) supports up to 64 GB of physical> memory, and NT and descendants can use it both to run multipleJ memory-resident 32-bit applications and to allow those applications to useH more more than 4 GB individually (though not at any given instant) usingA mapping mechanisms rather like those we used to use to let PDP-11g4 applications use more than 64 KB of physical memory.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:08:27 -0400M- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>@* Subject: Re: non-interactive audio capture0 Message-ID: <3F7312FB.641EA029@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   "Keith A. Lewis" wrote: H > Is there a tool which will capture audio on OpenVMS/Alpha without userI > interaction?  I want to record my favorite radio program every day, and7I > convert to MP3, probably in 15-minute chunks.  There are a few programsTK > which will do the MP3 part but I'm having trouble finding anything exceptH! > for DECSOUND which will record.   M I claim you want to run the text utility called mmov$audiorecord with various I command line parameters to create a WAV file.  Of course you must installtM Multimedia Services for OpenVMS Alpha for this to exist, and you must have athH least an MMOV-RT license which was usually supplied with your model PWS.    - JBA   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 04:34:13 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)eM Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?-3 Message-ID: <WycTVBkjXDgR@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <rdeininger-2409032107220001@user-uinj4pb.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  K > Until Microsoft showed up with their visual basic and word macros and alltJ > the rest.  With a pretty much unlimited range of possibilities to searchK > for, the author/maintainer of Disinfectant just stopped trying to keep upn! > with microsoft vulnerabilities.   I Well certainly upgrading beyond Word 5.1A would have been a foolish move, H and for security fans that was apparent when Word 6.0 was released.  ForH several years a similar mistake IBM had made with the email system underH CMS had been discussed at security conferences, and they Microsoft chose5 to copy a bad feature that IBM had already discarded.e  G But this is not the fault of MacOS.  One could write some software thathF would be bad for the security of VMS -- the trick is getting people to install it.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:00:42 +0000 (UTC)v From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukM Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?2) Message-ID: <bkuhsq$dk3$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   U In article <3F71D664.D92AAC37@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:  >s  >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >> lX >> In article <3F70934A.3C36DD45@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes: >> > > G >At this point I'm fairly convinced that the implementation of fees via H >central gateways &/or routers is not workable. So I have come up with aE >protocol that implements e-mail in 2 phases: a meta phase and a data E >phase. In phase 1, all the info about the email is sent to the open, C >listening port of the receiver. Then the link is dropped, by both.nC >Phase 2 must be initiated by the receiver, so they are in complete F >control of the transmission and final delivery and at that point they >can also charge a fee.  >eF >A first draft is available at http://alphase.com/vms/FBEProtocol.html >nF >Serious suggestions are more than welcome, but please no nit-picking.8 >This is a early, early draft. A suggestion, if you will >s  N I haven't had a chance to look at your link yet but one thing strikes me aboutN your suggestion straight away. How are you going to deal with Natt'd clients ?M If you drop the connection then there is no guarantee that the public addressvI that the sender first used will still be valid when the receiver tries to/ reopen the connection. t  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >--  >  >Have VMS, Will Travel >Wire paladin, San Francisco >s >(paladinATalphaseDOTcom)K   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 07:27:41 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)nM Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?i3 Message-ID: <tE$oDq3m8zUh@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  c In article <lzFFSg2nbgo2@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:m > = > "Code" can be embedded that way, but what would invoke it ?d  E   Double clicking on the file is supposed to use the resource fork toiF   find and open the proper application.  I don't know the details, butE   I always assumed that had something to do with how the viruses were     rampant on our Macs years ago.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:40:17 -0400o% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>eM Subject: Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam Gateway - any experience so far ?g/ Message-ID: <vn5s22g2nrds0e@news.supernews.com>e  + <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in messageo# news:bkuhsq$dk3$1@news.mdx.ac.uk...l7 > In article <3F71D664.D92AAC37@pacbell.net>, Don Sykesm <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:  > >r" > >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > >>: > >> In article <3F70934A.3C36DD45@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:2 > >> > > >:I > >At this point I'm fairly convinced that the implementation of fees viauJ > >central gateways &/or routers is not workable. So I have come up with aG > >protocol that implements e-mail in 2 phases: a meta phase and a dataoG > >phase. In phase 1, all the info about the email is sent to the open,nE > >listening port of the receiver. Then the link is dropped, by both.tE > >Phase 2 must be initiated by the receiver, so they are in completeiH > >control of the transmission and final delivery and at that point they > >can also charge a fee.h > > H > >A first draft is available at http://alphase.com/vms/FBEProtocol.html > >oH > >Serious suggestions are more than welcome, but please no nit-picking.: > >This is a early, early draft. A suggestion, if you will > >( >iJ > I haven't had a chance to look at your link yet but one thing strikes me aboutgF > your suggestion straight away. How are you going to deal with Natt'd	 clients ?sG > If you drop the connection then there is no guarantee that the publicb address.K > that the sender first used will still be valid when the receiver tries ton > reopen the connection. >i  K There is no need to be concerned about NAT.  This proposal is a replacement I for SMTP servers.  They already need special consideration when used withu! NAT, as do all listening servers.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:21:40 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)eE Subject: Re: Question: In DCL Can One Check To See If A File Is Open?i2 Message-ID: <EZBcb.5646$qt2.5548@news.cpqcorp.net>  V In article <3F71FA10.D7E499FA@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >Charlie Hammond wrote:r >> >>     $   CLOSE/LOG FILE_17a+ >> >>     $   OPEN/WRITE FILE_17 <whatever>b >J >> >What would be wrong with:- >> >8 >> >$IF F$TRNLNM("FILE_17") .nes. ""  THEN CLOSE FILE_17 >> HM >> This assumes that the file is always opened with the logical name FILE_17.:J >> That assumption is not always valid.  Why make unnecessary assumptions? >-I >OK then. To be pedantic, woudln't one have to write a program that scanspN >through the logical name table for logicals whose translation begins with theL >tell tale escape sequence, then try to open that file to obtain its FAB andO >NAM block to see if it is the file you are after, and if so, the return to VMSS3 >with a status code telling DCL to close the file ?G >gO >If assuming "File_17" is bad in my example, isn't it the same with the examplee >you provided ?    I guess it is.  G My intention was to protect against opening a file using a logical namee@ that is already in use -- for the same or possibly another file.  E If the logical name is NOT in use, but the file is open using anotherwF logical name, then the OPEN will either succeed if it is shareable for/ the intended access (read, write) or fail with:h  0     %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening <file> as input3     -RMS_E-FLK, file current locked by another user   C If you wanted to ensure that you have EXCLUSIVE access to the file, J open it with /WRITE or /APPEND (or /READ and /WRITE and the just read it).C Use /ERROR to take you to an error checking routine that checks foruL $STATUS == "$X1001628A", which would indicate that the file is already open.K How you handle this depends on your procedure.  Don't foget to consider the 6 possibility that the OPEN fails with some other error.    Here is an untested code segment  &     $!  Check if the logical is in use     $ close /err=open17 file_17h     $open17:O     $!  Use read and write to ensure exclusive write access to an existing filenK     $!  (Note: /WRITE w/o /READ will oppen a new file version successfully)s%     $ open /read /write /err=error17 y     $!%     $ ... watever processing you need-     $...     $!
     $error17:      $!  Check for OPENIN error&     $   if $STATUS .eqs. "%X1001628A"      $   then4     $...    report the error or handle it however...     $   else=     $!      Repeat the open w/o /error to display the problems     $       open /read /write :     $!      Normal error handling will take it from here, )     $!      but and EXIT is probably goodw     $       exit     $   endif     < Here is anohter untested segment -- I might do it this way..  &     $!  Check if the logical is in use     $ close /err=open17 file_17p     $open17:O     $!  Use read and write to ensure exclusive write access to an existing filecK     $!  (Note: /WRITE w/o /READ will oppen a new file version successfully)b5     $ set noon  ! so we can do our own error checkingi%     $ open /read /write /err=error17 a5     $ if $STATUS .eqs. "%X00000001" then goto reaad17m     $!  Check for OPENIN error&     $   if $STATUS .eqs. "%X1001628A"      $   then4     $...    report the error or handle it however...     $   else=     $!      Repeat the open w/o /error to display the problemL     $       open /read /write :     $!      Normal error handling will take it from here, )     $!      but and EXIT is probably good0     $       exit     $   endif  "     $!     $read17:     $!%     $ ... watever processing you needg     $...   -- 1J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:09:51 +0200s+ From: "Parlow, Axel" <parlow@fiz-chemie.de> 1 Subject: Shadowed disk not dismounted on shutdownnD Message-ID: <7d2ab3e47e5a03effc5eb5d5ba4664203f72dbd5@fiz-chemie.de>   Hi all,m  G I have several workstations running in a OPENVMS cluster. The cluster =fA common data are on a shadowed disk. This disk is not dismounted =dG correctly on shutdown (only marked for dismount); my checks show that =t? the file RIGHTSLIST.DAT is kept in use by SECURITY_SERVER and =sI DECW$SERVER_0. This in turn causes a shadow merge operation starting at = < every shutdown. Is there any way to circumvent this problem?   Thanks, Axel  5 *****************************************************:5 * Dr. Axel Parlow                                   *m5 * FIZ CHEMIE BERLIN                                 *f5 * Production Department - ChemInform                *e5 * Franklinstrasse 11                                * 5 * D-10587 Berlin                                    *r5 * Tel:  +49 30 39977 220    Fax:  +49 30 39977 135  *.5 * E-Mail: parlow@fiz-chemie.de                      * 5 *****************************************************o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:23:11 +0200h< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>5 Subject: Re: Shadowed disk not dismounted on shutdownr8 Message-ID: <bkumni$67018$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>   Parlow, Axel wrote:-G > I have several workstations running in a OPENVMS cluster. The clusteraA > common data are on a shadowed disk. This disk is not dismounted$G > correctly on shutdown (only marked for dismount); my checks show that ? > the file RIGHTSLIST.DAT is kept in use by SECURITY_SERVER andgF > DECW$SERVER_0. This in turn causes a shadow merge operation startingA > at every shutdown. Is there any way to circumvent this problem?   > I'd think that killing the servers explicitely during shutdown would cure that problem.  ' DECW (taken from DECW$STARTSERVER.COM):o   $ context = "" $kserver_loop: $ pid = F$PID(context)+ $ if pid .eqs. "" then goto kserver_endloop D $ if F$GETJPI(pid,"PRCNAM") .eqs. "DECW$SERVER_0" then stop/id='pid' $ goto kserver_loopA $kserver_endloop:   < Security Server is easier: $SET SERVER SECURITY_SERVER /EXIT   cu,    Martin -- dF   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.derF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 06:23:15 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)< Subject: Re: SMTP to PMDF IMAP vms mail w/attachments hosed?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309250523.3b91f444@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3F7101FC.323ED8DA@istop.com>...  > Bob Ceculski wrote:C9 > > there are NO attchmnts ... everything loks like text!eE > > you can read them using outhouse express but any atchmnts or html-G > > is hosed ("HUoohioyTTTTTU6TRU7GFH") ... endless garbage in text ...c >  > J > In VMS mail, there are no attachements. Just text. The IMAP server wouldP > normally just send the text of the email to the client.  The imap client wouldP > then expect the contents to begin with an rfc822 header and then, depending onP > the content type, would scan the remainder for attachements, text or whatever. > @ > The first line of an email must be a valid RFC822 header line. > K > Using VMSmail, do you see any difference in the format of message headersl; > between those who are without attachements and that are ?   > the problem seems to be vms 7.1 mail ... and because pmdf runs> using 7.3 mail logic, you have a problem ... and I finally got? migrate to migrate after dealing with multiple restarts becauseh9 of it stopping because of "broken pipes" ... thats unix cH garbage code for you ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:27:26 GMTe5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)o, Subject: Re: Strange problem with DLT drivesL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2509030636230001@user-uinj4iv.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <bktjcm0cjs@enews3.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:  G >In comp.sys.dec Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspringdot.com> wrote:eK >> We saw similar behavior from a heavily-used DLT 4000 after about 3 yearshL >> of service.  We sent it for "flat-rate" service, and it came back workingF >> perfectly.  They didn't tell us what particular problem they fixed. >aI >Did you use cleaning tapes on the drive a lot?  If so the drive head was I >probably messed up.  For longer life, avoid unnecessary drive cleanings.g  H We only cleaned it when it asked to be cleaned.  Until it got sick, thatF was pretty seldom.  Toward the end, it asked for cleaning after almost every tape.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:13:52 +0000 (UTC)hP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)? Subject: Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAILu$ Message-ID: <bku4jf$l3j$1@online.de>  H In article <bkshh6$4ujru$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Peter Weaver"0 <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:   1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:h > >... > > $ sh log *edt* > >... > < > Since you are only seeing this in MAIL you should also try >  > $ SHOW LOG MAIL$EDIT > , > and/or have the user go into MAIL and type >  > MAIL> SHOW EDIT  > $ > to see what editor they are using.  H No *EDT* logicals defined.  EDTINI.EDT is there, but I can rename it andE get the same results.  Editor in MAIL is EDT.  Problem only occurs in D MAIL, not outside of it.  (If I explicitly SPAWN EDIT/EDT from MAIL,A then the problem does not occur.)  User has RWE permission on the 2 SYS$SCRATCH directory and is also the owner of it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:21:11 -0400l< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>? Subject: Re: strangeness with temporary text files used by MAIL 9 Message-ID: <bkv159$68e7r$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>a  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:p; > In article <bkshh6$4ujru$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>,  "Peter9 > Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:n > 2 >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >>> ...S >>> $ sh log *edt* >>> ...i >>= >> Since you are only seeing this in MAIL you should also try> >> >> $ SHOW LOG MAIL$EDIT  >>- >> and/or have the user go into MAIL and typef >> >> MAIL> SHOW EDIT >>% >> to see what editor they are using.c > < > No *EDT* logicals defined.  EDTINI.EDT is there, but I can	 rename itm< > and get the same results.  Editor in MAIL is EDT.  Problem only< > occurs in MAIL, not outside of it.  (If I explicitly SPAWN EDIT/EDT< > from MAIL, then the problem does not occur.)  User has RWE
 permission; > on the SYS$SCRATCH directory and is also the owner of it.h  ; OK, no *EDT* logicals, but what about the logical MAIL$EDITa: and how are you checking to see what the user's editor is?  ! If you are checking by looking atl; SYS$SYSTEM:VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA then you may see EDT in thet9 user's record. But if that user has the logical MAIL$EDITe; defined then the command procedure that MAIL$EDIT points too would be executed.  ; If you are checking by doing having the user do a SHOW EDITb: then make sure they see"Your editor is EDT." and not "Your> editor is defined by the file EDT." In both cases the user may< say that they see EDT as the editor, but the two results are< completely different; the first would use the *EDT* logicals6 and EDTINI.EDT as you expect, the second will call the procedure EDT.COM.  2 If the MAIL$EDIT command procedure has a line like> EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=MAIL.TXT then you have to look at MAIL.TXT to> see what it is doing. Remember that the /COMMAND file does not8 have to have .EDT as the extension and remember that SET% NOSUMMARY can be shorted to "SE NOSU"g   -- e Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX6 www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 06:11:05 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)E Subject: Re: TCPWARE v5.4-3 Patch 19.0, TCPware_FTP process "hanging"g= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309250511.735648a6@posting.google.com>d  t "covendotartdottalk21dotcom" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<bMKdnad6EtFNuO-iU-KYjQ@brightview.com>...5 > X-posted to c.o.v because it seems that nobody uses-E > vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware any more, other than film pirates...w > J > I don't suppose anyone here is still running TCPWARE at v5.4-3, is using5 > Patch #19, and is having FTP work with no problems?m  < we have had no problems with it, although we are not running, 1000 simultaneous connections at once ... :)   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 08:11:27 -07006 From: recruits@solutions-worldwide.com (Tracey Virtue)= Subject: USA - Alpha/VAX Hardware Field Engineers needed ASAPu= Message-ID: <1f95c8ba.0309250711.48c8f7fc@posting.google.com>   @ Can anyone recommend people for multiple Hardware Field EngineerD positions I'm trying to fill? Top priority are positions in Chicago,< IL (second Omaha, NE) - then other locations across the USA.  E I'm looking for experienced professionals to provide hardware supportuC for mission critical production environments (HP/Compaq/DEC Alpha &r VAX). The ideal person has:n/  Experience supporting Alpha Series hardware; -6  Experience supporting VAX Series Enterprise Systems;C  Experience supporting associated Storage Systems and Peripherals; C  Good working knowledge of DEC Tru64 and VMS Operating systems ands Diagnostic tools; and"E  For the Chicago positions only: Experience/Knowledge of GS320 (Wildi fire).  , My telephone number is 1-800-860-3112; email@ recruits@solutions-worldwide.com. If my client hires someone you3 refer, I will thank you with a $500 referral bonus.e   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 06:19:30 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)7 Subject: VMS "is" affordable for small/medium business!h= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309250519.6310ef1f@posting.google.com>e  2 what does everyone mean here that vms is still not0 affordable for small business?  I started out at1 several small businesses and now for a medium onee/ we always ran vms and price was never an issue!I. You can call dave at island and get a ds10l or- personal work station now licensed for under -3 $2000!  Same for a lot of alphaservers (800, 1200).0 So that dog don't hunt ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:53:30 +0100e From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>f" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web) Message-ID: <3F729EFB.9345E28D@Omond.net>-   Mike Price wrote:l  C > AFter nearly 15 years workign on VMS I was made redundant about 2 / > years ago and I am now teaching IT in school. G > Part of the A level sylabus is operating systems so I thought I could5G > introduce some of the next generation of programmers etc. to a properoD > operating system while they are still young. - otherwise they will > only see Windows > H > SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is there aF > VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so that they@ > can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated. >aB > N.B. school budgets are rather small and tight ( I thought I had6 > problems industry!!:-) so it would need to be "free" >o > TIA   = Well I think this is a very laudable effort.  Good man, Mike..  @ If you can sort out the licencing issue (with luck, you might be? able to use the hobbyist licence), I will personally donate ones6 of my beloved Alpha machines to you.  The machine is a4 DEC 3000-600 with 128 Mbytes memory, and a couple of; 4 Gbyte disks, and an old CD drive (RRD43 IIRC).  VMS 7.3-1e pre-installed.  < If I'm not mistaken you're probably somewhere near LiverpoolD (it was Littlewoods, wasn't it ?).  I'm 10 miles south of Cambridge.   Let me know ...5  	 Roy Omondh Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:03:49 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>c" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web8 Message-ID: <6ri5nv8hculbb29k26shphp7fhvc0pijqn@4ax.com>  D On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:53:30 +0100, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> wrote:   >Mike Price wrote: >8I >> SO - I suppose I could use Unix but I would rather use VMS. Is there arG >> VMS system on the Internet that could connect them onto so that theyaA >> can see how the best works before being totally indoctrinated.i >>= >If I'm not mistaken you're probably somewhere near LiverpoolaE >(it was Littlewoods, wasn't it ?).  I'm 10 miles south of Cambridge.n >o >Let me know ...  H I'm much closer to Liverpool, but can't offer anything quite as grand as your Alpha.h  
 Email sent...b   -- y John Mail john rather than nospam...o   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Sep 2003 12:26:58 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web9 Message-ID: <bkumui$5vgam$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>i  ) In article <3F729EFB.9345E28D@omond.net>,t" 	Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes: > B > If you can sort out the licencing issue (with luck, you might be% > able to use the hobbyist licence), l  C This has been gone over to death here.  You can not legally use theoB Hobbyist license for educational purposes.  The conflict should beD obvious by the fact that repeated requests for Compaq/HP to add textE to the Hobbyist License specifically stating this have up to now been6A refused.  Trust me, there are still some of us trying to get somenD kind of usable education license in place, but for now at least yourA only choice is to read the current educational license and see ifM you can work with it.c   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   p   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:25:43 GMTd# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> " Subject: Re: VMS system on the webH Message-ID: <r1Ccb.118424$DZ.37763@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:+ > In article <3F729EFB.9345E28D@omond.net>,F# > Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:r >>C >> If you can sort out the licencing issue (with luck, you might beo% >> able to use the hobbyist licence),t >eE > This has been gone over to death here.  You can not legally use theoD > Hobbyist license for educational purposes.  The conflict should beF > obvious by the fact that repeated requests for Compaq/HP to add textG > to the Hobbyist License specifically stating this have up to now beenDC > refused.  Trust me, there are still some of us trying to get some F > kind of usable education license in place, but for now at least yourC > only choice is to read the current educational license and see if0 > you can work with it.M    L Write Sue and ask her about the .edu campaign spearheaded by the AmbassadorsC which was discussed at HP and/or maybe launched earlier this year -19 geared towards porting apps to VMS for 'academic' credit.     G It was a nice idea, but flawed for a variety of reasons, the largest of J which, IMHO, is that if there's no push to make VMS visible in the big badJ commercial world, ie. no demand creation, then no self-respecting academicI institution is going to give a damn about teaching kids anything about ancF o/s that has no commercial 'relevance' or demand given the politicallyK correct environments that exist today, irrespective of any positive lessonsa9 could be learned by using said o/s for teaching purposes.   K See, it all comes back to marketing and advertising to create awareness andaG demand. And we all know that HP has no intention of doing that for VMS.-  J One has to wonder how guys like Marcello and Gorham can either acquiese toL the lack of advertising/marketing , or allow themselves to be muzzled. WhileJ at an intellectual level it must be challenging to build communicate aboutJ your product with others armed only with pigments which one daubs on wallsK in caves, the problems with that approach is that relatively few people see I it and not before the passage of thousands of years. It is certainly more H practical and quicker to communicate by using modern print and TV media,8 which is clearly something HP has not learned about VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Sep 2003 16:07:03 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web9 Message-ID: <bkv3r6$6bigf$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>i  H In article <r1Ccb.118424$DZ.37763@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:, >> In article <3F729EFB.9345E28D@omond.net>,$ >> Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes: >>>uD >>> If you can sort out the licencing issue (with luck, you might be& >>> able to use the hobbyist licence), >>F >> This has been gone over to death here.  You can not legally use theE >> Hobbyist license for educational purposes.  The conflict should beaG >> obvious by the fact that repeated requests for Compaq/HP to add text H >> to the Hobbyist License specifically stating this have up to now beenD >> refused.  Trust me, there are still some of us trying to get someG >> kind of usable education license in place, but for now at least yourwD >> only choice is to read the current educational license and see if >> you can work with it. >  > N > Write Sue and ask her about the .edu campaign spearheaded by the AmbassadorsE > which was discussed at HP and/or maybe launched earlier this year -c; > geared towards porting apps to VMS for 'academic' credit.e  A Ummmm..  I'm the one who proposed the possibility of some portingWA projects that would count for academic credit (at least we have a E projects course here where that would work)  Compaq (yes, it predated ? the merger) provided a machine and one years worth of licenses.2@ And it was greatly appreciated.  Sadly, more is needed.  WithoutA experience no student is going to commit to a project he can't bee> sure of being able to finish.  And that comes back to the sameD argument again.  We need the ability to set up labs that can supportB multiple servers and multiple users.  The current EDU program doesB not do this.  The Hobbyist Program is not legal for this.  And theH bigger problem is that we are running out of people who are even willingD to continue fighting for this (heck, even I plan to retire someday).E The latest member of the faculty to come here has only a very limitedoF exposure to VMS as an undergrad at Penn State and has not even used itB since then.  He has never learned anything about it's internals orC it's value compared to other OSes.  eventually, there will be noonesF left in academia willing to devote any time to the furtherance of VMS.7 I think (hope) most here would see that as a bad thing.t   bill   -- 3J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:56:28 -0700s+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>e8 Subject: Re: [Bah!] Linux is the favourite hacker target' Message-ID: <3F732C4C.4040907@MMaz.com>r   Ian Burgess wrote:  7 >See globe technology's "The Globe and Mail" article...a >gV >www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030911.gtlinuxsep11/BNStory/Technology/ >-G >Surprising that Linux rates above Microsoft (67% of successful attacksa >in August vs 23% for M/S).u >  : >:G For ANYONE to claim the Microsoft is not the king of the exploit hill, iH regardless of who they put in at second, third, or forth, sounds like a E mouth-piece for MS.  This author obviously has been oblivious to the oD viruses, worms, and trojan horses that have been eating Microsoft's / lunch!  Not just these past months, but years!    B Look, I'm not saying that this is the case, but even suppose that F numerically there were less documented exploits announced for MS than F all other OS's, how does that actually compare to actual systems that G have been compromised?  There is no way that anyone can claim that any f> other operating system has been exploited more than Windoze...  G The way I see it, either way, this author, the stats, and article have  I no credibility; Microshaft, soft, wins for releasing the most vulnerable > and exploitable software...n   Barryc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:29:25 +0200t! From: BAVAY Marc <mbavay@slb.com>-$ Subject: [HELP] MAIL.MAI deleted ...' Message-ID: <3F7309D5.DDB855D3@slb.com>   1 Il s'agit d'un message multivolet au format MIME.b& --------------32E3D5A23EBDC1114BC5C1F9* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     9 and I cannot find information on how to create a new one.c  J I read it was going to be re-created the next time a mail is received, but* when I try to read this new message, I get  
 MAIL> read, %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist  A I tried to copy a MAIL.MAI from another user, but it will not see3 any new incoming mails.s  , what can I do to get a new mailbox working ?    thanks a lot for any information   marc  & --------------32E3D5A23EBDC1114BC5C1F9- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;K  name="mbavay.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bits* Content-Description: Carte pour BAVAY Marc  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="mbavay.vcf"   begin:vcard  n:Marc;BAVAY tel;work:+33 4 7641 6745 x-mozilla-html:FALSE: org:SchlumbergerSema;Grenoble Technology & Projects Center version:2.1e email;internet:mbavay@slb.coml note:0` adr;quoted-printable:;;36, Chemin du vieux ch=EAne,    BP 104=0D=0A38243  MEYLAN,   FRANCE  ;;;;
 fn:BAVAY Marco	 end:vcard   ( --------------32E3D5A23EBDC1114BC5C1F9--   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:09:39 +0200r' From: Jean-Luc <r-jl.nospam@wanadoo.fr>v( Subject: Re: [HELP] MAIL.MAI deleted ...' Message-ID: <Usenet.mqcsscka@localhost>c   BAVAY Marc wrote:h > ; > and I cannot find information on how to create a new one.  > . > what can I do to get a new mailbox working ? > ...." > thanks a lot for any information >  > marc   Try aM  & MAIL> SET MAIL_DIRECTORY [mydirectory]  + (I am at home and I can't test if it work) t  	 Good luckn   Jean-luc  n   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2003 07:49:57 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)1 Subject: [OT] Ada, Was: Re: VMS system on the webo3 Message-ID: <PQV8W$g0OR7e@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  d In article <bksquq$5nf28$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > @ > Witht he dearth of VMS in the market today I would imagine theI > general result would be the same as when we taught Ada here.  ComplainteJ > letters from former students about spending all that time learning stuff" > with no value in the real world. >   M And the sad thing about that is that learning Ada is a good thing as it helps.H you to understand, for example, good program design and also gives you aK very different view of programming than that found in C/C++. (The main onestJ that I found are the strong use of data types in Ada, and the way that you= seem to end up blowing your foot off far less often in Ada.).i  H I have learnt most of Ada, even though I will never use it in a job, and$ found that it was a useful exercise.   Simon.   -- nB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.532 ************************