1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 03 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 184       Contents: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: :-) BOFH needs VMSB Re: Access violation while linking with cxxlink 6.5-004 on vms 7.3' Re: Alpha DS-10 and Raxco Perfect Cache ' Re: Alpha DS-10 and Raxco Perfect Cache ' Re: Alpha DS-10 and Raxco Perfect Cache @ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers  Re: An interesting Search result  Re: An interesting Search result RE: CVS on VMS Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding StandardsF Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justifiedF Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justifiedF Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justifiedB DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justifiedF Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justifiedF Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justifiedF Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justified0 Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400?- Re: getting info about hardware in alpha 4100 - RE: getting info about hardware in alpha 4100 - Re: getting info about hardware in alpha 4100 - Re: getting info about hardware in alpha 4100 $ Good News for  NonStop (NSK) users !. Re: HP /Best'Ware BCS presentation in Toulouse. Re: HP /Best'Ware BCS presentation in Toulouse Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line  Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line  Re: HTML favourite editor? Re: HTML favourite editor?) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ? # MDR and SCSI devices, MKx standard? ' Re: More Offshore of VMS based systems. ' Re: More Offshore of VMS based systems.  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!? 7 Re: OpenVMS hobbyist licenses - how are they delivered? 7 Re: OpenVMS hobbyist licenses - how are they delivered? 7 Re: OpenVMS hobbyist licenses - how are they delivered? 2 Re: rename dcl command on version 7.3-1 and posix? Re: Spam form kerry  Re: Spam form kerry 6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:36:14 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS ) Message-ID: <c3v1pu$mue$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   y In article <c3v07e$2bo0o8$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  >Nic Clews wrote:  >> Peter Weaver wrote: >>> 
 >>> tc wrote: 7 >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/36469.html  >>> 5 >>> Now there is someone who really needs CHARON-VAX.  >>: >> Ah, replace the hardware with something dependent on an
 >operating, >> system with the half-life of a dragonfly. >>...  > > >As Robert Boers has said before "Windows is remarkably stable> >if it is not used." Meaning that if you turn off services you< >do not need and nobody is running various applications then> >Windows XP can keep running until you decide to shut it down. > 8 >SRI had their on-line CHARON-VAX on Windows demo system< >running for over 1 year until they decided to take it down. > ? >My point was that in this story the VAX was consuming a lot of 7 >power and floor space and the hardware was failing and ; >expensive to fix. These are all things that CHARON-VAX can 7 >address. For customers who are concerned about Windows ; >reliability then CHARON-VAX/AXP on OpenVMS/Alpha addresses  >that. > I However in this case it would be simpler to get the simh or ts10 emulator D rather than pursuading the company to fork out money for Charon-VAX.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >-- 
 >Peter Weaver   >Weaver Consulting Services Inc. >Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX >www.weaverconsulting.ca >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:26:59 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS ' Message-ID: <406E4B23.5010604@MMaz.com>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:   J >However in this case it would be simpler to get the simh or ts10 emulatorE >rather than pursuading the company to fork out money for Charon-VAX.  >  >    > I Except that your suggestion to use simh or ts10 is not even an apples to   apples comparison because:    B 1. They will not even 'closely' approach the performance of CHARONI 2. Neither have been confirmed to pass the VAX hardware diagnostic suites ; 3. Neither are eligible for the license transfer programs.      @ So, simh and ts10 are really only 'hobbyist ready' options, not H production ready, unless you don't care about speed and you're going to I run BSD Unix on the emulated VAX which makes about as much sense as your   original suggestion...     Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:07:58 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)K Subject: Re: Access violation while linking with cxxlink 6.5-004 on vms 7.3 1 Message-ID: <newscache$tb2kvh$2hu1$1@news.sil.at>   e In article <c9ed474c.0404010731.da28f31@posting.google.com>, igor.wetoschkin@bosch.com (igor) writes: L >there are no problems while compiling, but while linking become i following	 >message:   ( No compile problem ? Not even warnings ?  @ >%MMS-F-ABORT, For target ACI_SP.EXE, CLI returned abort status: >%X1000000C.  > ACCVIO should never happen (but in fact it is very common ;-).  G Do you know of CXX V6.5 ECO1 aka V6.5A (which brings you to V6.5-034) ? ' Maybe it fixes some of your problems...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:19:55 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 0 Subject: Re: Alpha DS-10 and Raxco Perfect CacheA Message-ID: <fGlbc.19998$t16.10305270@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   @ "Alan Frisbie" <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> wrote in message( news:406DA89E.4000605@Flying-Disk.com... > Dan wrote: > L > > Is it possible that we could just get better performance by doubling theD > > RAM and performing a disk defrag (for lack of the proper term).? >  > Absolutely!   Do both. > C > The best (and only perfectly safe) way to defrag your disks is to ? > boot from the CDROM and use it to perform the backup/restore.  >   H Why do you think defragmentation can't be done safely?  I don't think HP! would sell DFO if it wasn't safe.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:53:34 -0800 3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> 0 Subject: Re: Alpha DS-10 and Raxco Perfect Cache. Message-ID: <406DA89E.4000605@Flying-Disk.com>  
 Dan wrote:  K > Is it possible that we could just get better performance by doubling the  B > RAM and performing a disk defrag (for lack of the proper term).?   Absolutely!   Do both.  A The best (and only perfectly safe) way to defrag your disks is to = boot from the CDROM and use it to perform the backup/restore.    Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:12:47 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: Alpha DS-10 and Raxco Perfect Cache0 Message-ID: <00A2FC55.CF58A201@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <406D9829.3030603@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  >Dr. Dweeb wrote:  > 
 >>My $0.02 >>L >>For many years, 3rd party disk cacheing software was the only option.  OneK >>of my clients had it running for many years until VFC was released in the N >>VMS 6.x (?) timeframe.  We did workload tests in question and concluded thatM >>VFC despite the fact that it was a static memory and not very flexible, was E >>good enough and similar to Perfect Cache (PC) in throughput in that 5 >>installation.  XFC is considerably better than VFC.  >>M >>PC does allows one to specify exactly which disks to be cached, rather than M >>the whole system, which was better than VFC which takes all the disks.  Not  >>sure what XFC allows.  >>H >>I cannot remember what the state of play in a cluster is, with clusterJ >>access to files.  In VFC it meant that the file was not cached.  No idea >>what PC or XFC do. >>   >>I >PC has been cluster aware for as long as I can remember.  I believe the  F >difference is that if Node A is caching and beating a file, and then J >Node B hits that same file, it will not benefit from any 'pre-cache' but J >will work with Node A to assure continuity, especially if Node B changes $ >the file that Node A is processing.  $ 1) Raxco _does_ offer a 30 day trial9 2) Benchmarks are best done with a locally-developed load D 3) PC will cache files open for write around a cluster.  XFC doesn't+ 4) PC does lookahead to improve performance ; 5) PC does _not_ cache defragmenter I/Os (from PerfectDisk) < 6) PC does _not_ cache BACKUP I/Os when they can be detected   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 12:53:04 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 3 Message-ID: <7S6GrhW5UTZr@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <c4k1g6$ifu$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > 4 > PS you can run JDS in the x86 emulator on the MAC. >   @    Since Sun and Apple together support Java on Mac, I should be;    able to run a Java Desktop on Mac without any emulators.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:56:50 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>) Subject: Re: An interesting Search result : Message-ID: <c4kgi3$2j7gs5$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   John Smith wrote: $ > At the Wall Street Journal website# http://online.wsj.com/search  (paid 
 > access): >  > Search Term: OpenVMS > Timeframe: last 12 months 	 > Hits: 0  >  > Search Term: Solaris > Timeframe: last 12 months 
 > Hits: 17 >  > -------------- >  > Search Term: OpenVMS > Timeframe: since 1996 	 > Hits: 3  >  > Search Term: OpenVMS   ITYM "Solaris" here.   > Timeframe: since 1996  > Hits: 171  >...     --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 16:30:18 -0800 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)) Subject: Re: An interesting Search result = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404021630.16b11799@posting.google.com>   ~ "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<c4kgi3$2j7gs5$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>... > John Smith wrote: & > > At the Wall Street Journal website& >  http://online.wsj.com/search  (paid > > access): > >  > > Search Term: OpenVMS > > Timeframe: last 12 months  > > Hits: 0  > >  > > Search Term: Solaris > > Timeframe: last 12 months  > > Hits: 17 > >  > > -------------- > >  > > Search Term: OpenVMS > > Timeframe: since 1996  > > Hits: 3  > >  > > Search Term: OpenVMS >  > ITYM "Solaris" here. >  > > Timeframe: since 1996 
 > > Hits: 171  > >...  ; Take care ! Solaris was a Sci Fi movie in 2001 or 2002  :-) 3 And how many answers about Sun (Solaris) suing MS ?    Regards    Fc   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:10:16 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)  Subject: RE: CVS on VMS . Message-ID: <c4kdqo$89k$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes in article <USE4QmfmlIAV@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 29 Mar 2004 07:11:19 -0600: U >In article <01316031.C22236@yahoo.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com> writes: O >> And how does one do that on a VAX?  Even users of VAXes have need to control  >> source code changes.--   K Hmmm, I don't have access to a VAX to check, but I wonder if ODS-5 over NFS G works.  It works great for Alpha<->Linux, but since ODS-5 is prohibited @ everywhere else in VAX it probably doesn't work for VAX<->Linux.  C >   IMHO CMS is still a better tool.  That's what I use on VAX, and D >   Alpha.  I do use the CVS client to access files on a Sun server,E >   but I think the old releases of the CVS client will work on ODS-2 $ >   with some sort of name mangling.  I Command-line CMS beats command-line CVS (IMHO), but there's so much other J software built on top of CVS.  tkcvs (that's a GUI for CVS), the "pserver"I protocol, integration with Netbeans.  To top it off, CVS is free even for  commercial use.   F >   Can anyone tell me the CVS command to fetch as a plain text file, 5 >   an old revision of something in a CVS repository?   L I'd use tkcvs for that.  Select the file, click the tree button to open up aJ window of branches, select the branch you want, and click the view button.G Then to get it into a plaintext file you could select all and copy to a # "create" command in another window.   J (Disclaimer:  I use tkcvs on Unix so forgive me if the VMS version doesn't2 exist or works differently than what I described.)  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 19:22:05 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404021922.1649da6e@posting.google.com>   m pimpelmees@pandora.be (Pimpelmees) wrote in message news:<576e9651.0404020421.771972f2@posting.google.com>... 2 > 1) I prefer lower case dcl because les shoutty.   > WELL, I LIKE UPPERCASE DCL BECAUSE IT IS LOUDER AND ALLOWS THED COMMANDS TO BE HEARD ABOVE THE Comments, for which I use Mixed Case.A UPPERCASE IS THE NATURAL FORM FOR DCL. THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE HELP.    I don't like comments F > about every statement because in my experience they are seldom added& > value and even more seldom reliable.  ? Well, that depends on the comments. I can understand not liking  something like  6 $ VARIABLE = VARIABLE + 3    ! Add 3 to the variable.   A I have often had to decipher code that had many one-liners but no C general explanations of anything. So using nothing but one-liners I  would agree is bad.     I indent with 3 spaces at theC > time, no space before the label and unindented commands starts at  > column 3.    I do     $_label: $    IF (BLAH.EQS.BLEH) 	 $    THEN  $        exciting loop command $        exciting loop command $        exciting loop command
 $    ENDIF  D Mr. Dachtera won't like it! And for some reason I like an underscoreF for the leading character of a label. And unnecessary parentheses make! IF THEN statements more readable.   =  I keep everything short because direltoly is accepted as dir  > but is not correct.    Huh? Please clarify.    A > 2) put the procedure referenced in "on" in the beginning of the A > procedure (otherwise a quoting problem can make it unfindable).   > Please clarify. I have no idea what you're trying to say here.  E > 3) use on warning instead of on error where possible. DCL sometimes G > gives warnings when there are severe problems. Wors is that sometimes . > a warning is given without executing the on.  E True. But I noticed that the S,I,W,E,F are well-assigned for BACKUP.    0 > 4) don't forget that "on" is valid only once,. > H > 5) don't forget that when using "call", your error handling is back toH > default. You need to do "on" again. Call is also more expensive (cpu). > F > 6) don't use "goto depending on" (cobol guys know what I am saying).  E Do you mean not to use something like $ GOTO _'F$MODE()' !?  Why not?   G > 7) keep your procedures dcl_check conform (freeware cd). It will save C > you a lot of debugging work. I modified dcl_check to make it less 0 > noissy (only potential problems are reported). > E > 8) if you are looking for things, check at the end if you found it. H > E.g. when parsing the output of show memory (because output is version4 > specific and can change when you install a patch). >  > Wim    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:18:48 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 6 Message-ID: <406E3B28.C0FBDF05@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Pimpelmees wrote:  > G > 1) I prefer lower case dcl because les shoutty. I don't like comments F > about every statement because in my experience they are seldom added& > value and even more seldom reliable.  H Can't agree there. Just because soneone else messed up, doesn't mean you have to.   > I indent with 3 spaces at the C > time, no space before the label and unindented commands starts at H > column 3. I keep everything short because direltoly is accepted as dir > but is not correct.   C "dire" is actually what VMS cares about (four letters). If the rest * garbage, the results may be unpredictable.  A > 2) put the procedure referenced in "on" in the beginning of the A > procedure (otherwise a quoting problem can make it unfindable).   D ...or a missing ENDIF, but better to have as much "top-down" flow as	 possible.   E > 3) use on warning instead of on error where possible. DCL sometimes G > gives warnings when there are severe problems. Wors is that sometimes . > a warning is given without executing the on.  H Depends. Remember: ON WARNING will trap all errors. ON ERROR will trap ED and F severity, but there may already be an ON WARNING in effect. ONF SEVERE_ERROR will trap only F severity, but ON WARNING or ON ERROR may alreadyt be in effect.  0 > 4) don't forget that "on" is valid only once,.   Re-issue it in your ON routine.   H > 5) don't forget that when using "call", your error handling is back to
 > default.  B CALL is closely akin to "@": new depth, new ON, symbol scope, etc.  ? > You need to do "on" again. Call is also more expensive (cpu).    Depends.  F > 6) don't use "goto depending on" (cobol guys know what I am saying).   Depends.  G > 7) keep your procedures dcl_check conform (freeware cd). It will save C > you a lot of debugging work. I modified dcl_check to make it less 0 > noissy (only potential problems are reported).  A I have some very useful, but very complex proc.'s that would blow  DCL_CHECK's mind.   E > 8) if you are looking for things, check at the end if you found it. H > E.g. when parsing the output of show memory (because output is version4 > specific and can change when you install a patch).  G Actually, conventional wisdom is don't parse command output because VMS E upgrades can break your code. Use Lexicals where possible, and Google F for undocumented keywords (then document them in your comments in your proc.).    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 2 APR 2004 19:14:43 GMT + From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> O Subject: Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justified 1 Message-ID: <2APR04.19144392@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>   : In a previous article, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:R > Hmmm.. I'm not very comfortable with f$fao and I do not find in the help how to J > move an integer to a string with right justification and spaces padding. >   O > I found left justification and spaces padding !n<...!> but not its symmetric.  >    > I need to do this: >   ' > source: an integer between 1 to 99999 T > dest: a string 5 chars long with the number right justified and padded with spaces >   A > Of course, I can use Charlie H.'s processing (in DCL_DIET.COM):  >    > $ line_nr = "00000" < > $ line_nr[5-f$len(lines_in),f$len(lines_in)] := 'lines_in' >   R > to justify/pad with zeros in that case, but I wondered if it was possible to do  > it with F$FAO.  # $ write sys$output f$fao("|!SL|",5)  |5| $ $ write sys$output f$fao("|!4SL|",5) |   5| $    Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:30:00 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> O Subject: Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justified : Message-ID: <c4kf5k$2iej6j$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  , On 2004-04-02 19:42, "Didier Morandi" wrote:  R > Hmmm.. I'm not very comfortable with f$fao and I do not find in the help how to J > move an integer to a string with right justification and spaces padding. > O > I found left justification and spaces padding !n<...!> but not its symmetric.  >  > I need to do this: > ' > source: an integer between 1 to 99999 T > dest: a string 5 chars long with the number right justified and padded with spaces > A > Of course, I can use Charlie H.'s processing (in DCL_DIET.COM):  >  > $ line_nr = "00000" < > $ line_nr[5-f$len(lines_in),f$len(lines_in)] := 'lines_in' > R > to justify/pad with zeros in that case, but I wondered if it was possible to do  > it with F$FAO.  B What about F$FAO("!5UL", int) -- insert unsigned integer with fiveB digits -- or F$FAO("!5SL", int) -- the same for signed integer ...  D Or even F$FAO("!5ZL", int) -- insert integer with leading zeroes ...  B IIRC this inserts the numbers to the right-hand side of the field.   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:31:37 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) O Subject: Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justified 1 Message-ID: <J4kbc.2273$fQ4.363@news.cpqcorp.net>   g In article <HIjbc.2266$fQ4.125@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes: 0 >In article <c4k8n2$125u$1@biggoron.nerim.net>, % >Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:  >  >>I need to do this: >>' >>source: an integer between 1 to 99999 T >>dest: a string 5 chars long with the number right justified and padded with spaces >>A >>Of course, I can use Charlie H.'s processing (in DCL_DIET.COM):  >> >>$ line_nr = "00000" < >>$ line_nr[5-f$len(lines_in),f$len(lines_in)] := 'lines_in' >>R >>to justify/pad with zeros in that case, but I wondered if it was possible to do  >>it with F$FAO. > B >Hmmm...  I don't think that is my code, Didier.  At least I don't@ >remember it and can't locate it.  I think I'd be more likely to! >do something like the following:  > : >    $ source = 345                          ! for example. >    $ line_nr = f$ao("!5AS",f$string(source)). >$!    Using ">" and "<" to show spaces better- >    $ write sys$output ">" + line_nr + "<"    >>345  <    * *** Clearly, I can't tell right from left.%     But I think this might help me...     0                                APPLICATION NOTE:;                       IDENTIFICATION OF RIGHT AND LEFT HAND    INTRODUCTION  A     In technical work it is often desirable, if not necessary, to @     distinquish between right and left which, to some personnel,J     may present a problem.  Examples are:  components being located on theI     right or left, controls having to be moved to the right or left, etc. J     Persons having difficulties in this regard are occasionally admonishedF     to have reference to their right or left hand, respectively; this,C     however, tends to be of little use if the particular person has <     difficulty in identification of his right and left hand.     PURPOSE   ?     The purpose of this application note is to aid personnel in K     the correct identification of the right and left hand, with the highest K     probability of success and with considerable ease.  Having accomplished I     such identification, the person will be able, by straight analogy, to I     transfer the directional characterization to the item(s) in question.      EQUIPMENT REQUIRED  )             Table, qty. 1 (or equivalent)              Clock, qty. 1 /             Indelible marker, any color, qty. 1     	 PROCEDURE   D     Identification of the right and left hand may be accomplished byB     following the procedure given here, in the indicated sequence:  H     1. Place the clock on the surface of the table, work-bench, or otherK        flat, horizontal furniture or equipment surface with its face toward         you.   )                                      NOTE F             If you have trouble determining which side of the clock is7             the face, refer to "Application Note: Using -             Clocks and Watches to Tell Time".   F    2. With arms parallel, or nearly parallel, place both of your handsK        upon the surface of the table (or work-bench) with the clock between         them.  *                                       NOTED             It is assumed that the person in question has two hands,F             which is generally the case.  In situations other than theD             one assumed, the procedure given here is not applicable.    D     3. Note whether the two thumbs are the two similar digits of theK        respective hands that are in closest relative proximity.  If this is '        the case, step 4 may be omitted.   I     4. Counter-rotate the two hands in such a manner as to accomplish the         criterion of step 3.     ;                       *  *  *  *  *  WARNING  *  *  *  *  *   A             Neither hand should be rotated more than 180 degrees. A             Should this appear required, rotation in the opposite @             direction is indicated, instead, to prevent possible             injury.   F     5. Observe the relative position of each thumb with respect to itsH        corresponding hand and with respect to the clock in front of you.  J     6. With the indelible marker, mark the hand that has the thumb closestK        to the "9" of the clock with a letter "R", and the hand that has the A        thumb closest to the "3" of the clock with the letter "L".     
 CONCLUSION  F     The hand bearing the "L" mark will be the right hand, and the hand/     bearing the "R" mark will be the left hand.     !     -----------------------------   J This also reminds me of the bottles I use to carry shampoo and conditioner4 when I travel.  The botles are marked "S" and "C".    C Since shampoo Cleans your hair, it goes in the bottle marked "C".   C Conditioner Softens your hair, so it goes in the bottle marked "S".   "     ------------------------------  / Yes, it is fer sure a Friday afternoon.  <grin>    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:42:58 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>K Subject: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justified . Message-ID: <c4k8n2$125u$1@biggoron.nerim.net>  P Hmmm.. I'm not very comfortable with f$fao and I do not find in the help how to H move an integer to a string with right justification and spaces padding.  M I found left justification and spaces padding !n<...!> but not its symmetric.    I need to do this:  % source: an integer between 1 to 99999 R dest: a string 5 chars long with the number right justified and padded with spaces  ? Of course, I can use Charlie H.'s processing (in DCL_DIET.COM):    $ line_nr = "00000" : $ line_nr[5-f$len(lines_in),f$len(lines_in)] := 'lines_in'  P to justify/pad with zeros in that case, but I wondered if it was possible to do  it with F$FAO.   Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:05:59 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) O Subject: Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justified 1 Message-ID: <HIjbc.2266$fQ4.125@news.cpqcorp.net>   / In article <c4k8n2$125u$1@biggoron.nerim.net>,  $ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:   >I need to do this:  > & >source: an integer between 1 to 99999S >dest: a string 5 chars long with the number right justified and padded with spaces  > @ >Of course, I can use Charlie H.'s processing (in DCL_DIET.COM): >  >$ line_nr = "00000"; >$ line_nr[5-f$len(lines_in),f$len(lines_in)] := 'lines_in'  > Q >to justify/pad with zeros in that case, but I wondered if it was possible to do   >it with F$FAO.   A Hmmm...  I don't think that is my code, Didier.  At least I don't ? remember it and can't locate it.  I think I'd be more likely to   do something like the following:  9     $ source = 345                          ! for example -     $ line_nr = f$ao("!5AS",f$string(source)) - $!    Using ">" and "<" to show spaces better ,     $ write sys$output ">" + line_nr + "<"   >345  <      --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 15:04:18 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.orgO Subject: Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justified 3 Message-ID: <PkjhAukiazru@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <HIjbc.2266$fQ4.125@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes: 1 > In article <c4k8n2$125u$1@biggoron.nerim.net>,  & > Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: >  >>I need to do this: >>' >>source: an integer between 1 to 99999 T >>dest: a string 5 chars long with the number right justified and padded with spaces >>A >>Of course, I can use Charlie H.'s processing (in DCL_DIET.COM):  >> >>$ line_nr = "00000" < >>$ line_nr[5-f$len(lines_in),f$len(lines_in)] := 'lines_in' >>R >>to justify/pad with zeros in that case, but I wondered if it was possible to do  >>it with F$FAO. > C > Hmmm...  I don't think that is my code, Didier.  At least I don't A > remember it and can't locate it.  I think I'd be more likely to " > do something like the following: > ; >     $ source = 345                          ! for example / >     $ line_nr = f$ao("!5AS",f$string(source)) / > $!    Using ">" and "<" to show spaces better . >     $ write sys$output ">" + line_nr + "<"   >>345  <  
 Note that:   >>$ line_nr = "00000" < >>$ line_nr[5-f$len(lines_in),f$len(lines_in)] := 'lines_in'  6 does right justification and zero filling on the left. and   ; >     $ source = 345                          ! for example / >     $ line_nr = f$ao("!5AS",f$string(source))   : does _left_ justification with blank padding on the right.  & Personally, I'd be tempted to go with:  E f$fao("!5SL", f$integer(source)) for blank-filled right justification   H f$fao("!5<!SL!>", f$integer(source)) for blank-padded left justification  M f$fao("!5ZL", f$integer(source)) for zero-filled unsigned right justification   C Though I might optimize that if I knew for certain whether "source" 3 were an integer syntax string or an actual integer.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 06:53:53 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>O Subject: Re: DCL minute of the Day: integer to string, padded & right justified . Message-ID: <c4lg11$1l7a$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Charlie Hammond wrote:  1 > In article <c4k8n2$125u$1@biggoron.nerim.net>,  & > Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: >  >  >>I need to do this: >>' >>source: an integer between 1 to 99999 T >>dest: a string 5 chars long with the number right justified and padded with spaces >>A >>Of course, I can use Charlie H.'s processing (in DCL_DIET.COM):  >> >>$ line_nr = "00000" < >>$ line_nr[5-f$len(lines_in),f$len(lines_in)] := 'lines_in' >>R >>to justify/pad with zeros in that case, but I wondered if it was possible to do  >>it with F$FAO. >  > 1 > Hmmm...  I don't think that is my code, Didier.   P Charlie, I confess. I do remember that I wanted to add the line number into the Q resulting file, and *I* added that stuff, which looked so complicated today that - I thought it was from you :-)o   $WRITE_DIET$OUTPUT:t $ line_nr = "00000"v: $ line_nr[5-f$len(lines_in),f$len(lines_in)] := 'lines_in'" $ record = record + " !" + line_nr $ write diet$output record $ return   Sorry for the wrong accusation.e   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 16:47:39 -0800r. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)9 Subject: Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400? = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404021647.54c33e2a@posting.google.com>i  3 Do you know if there is an emulator like Charon fori AS-400 ? Commercial software ?   Regards  FC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:46:53 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>6 Subject: Re: getting info about hardware in alpha 4100* Message-ID: <c4kqg2$1bes$1@news.wplus.net>  < "Rob Brooks" <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message' news:cFkJzrFqol0O@cuebid.zko.dec.com...0/ > pzxkys@atd.gmeds.com (Martin Meadows) writes:wI > > Does anyone know how I can use OpenVMS to get info about the hardwaretJ > > installed on an Alpha 4100? If this isn't an option, is there a way toC > > tell whether an Alpha 4100 is a 5/533 MHz system or a 5/600 MHzCF > > system? And by the way ... what is the 5 in 5/533 for? I knew this- > > years ago ... but, sadly, have forgotten.o >t > $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM > SDA> CLUE CONFIG >o- > will give you a fair amount of information.a >a > -- P >M1 > Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Groupe brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comd     As Rob says SDA is pretty good.b  I You can also get some of this if you install DECevent (as its a 4100) andM6 RCM (Which will then put it into a HTML page for you).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:35:04 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>t6 Subject: RE: getting info about hardware in alpha 4100R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C6DCD@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----F > From: Alex Daniels [mailto:AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk]=20 > Sent: April 2, 2004 5:47 PM- > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-8 > Subject: Re: getting info about hardware in alpha 4100 >=20 >=20> > "Rob Brooks" <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message) > news:cFkJzrFqol0O@cuebid.zko.dec.com...n1 > > pzxkys@atd.gmeds.com (Martin Meadows) writes:.A > > > Does anyone know how I can use OpenVMS to get info about=20  > the hardware@ > > > installed on an Alpha 4100? If this isn't an option, is=20 > there a way toE > > > tell whether an Alpha 4100 is a 5/533 MHz system or a 5/600 MHzdH > > > system? And by the way ... what is the 5 in 5/533 for? I knew this/ > > > years ago ... but, sadly, have forgotten.  > >g > > $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM > > SDA> CLUE CONFIG > >o/ > > will give you a fair amount of information.s > >M	 > > --=20  > >u3 > > Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Groupn > brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comn >=20 >=20! > As Rob says SDA is pretty good.  >=20B > You can also get some of this if you install DECevent (as its=20
 > a 4100) andf8 > RCM (Which will then put it into a HTML page for you). >=20  ! Re: type of cpu VMS is loaded on.c  . Well, one easy way if using V7.3 or higher is:  & $ show cpu/full (all sorts of details)   :-)e  ) [pipe and extract info for specific info]e   Regardst  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantd HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477s Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomi. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:17:54 GMTa/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) 6 Subject: Re: getting info about hardware in alpha 4100- Message-ID: <cFkJzrFqol0O@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   - pzxkys@atd.gmeds.com (Martin Meadows) writes: G > Does anyone know how I can use OpenVMS to get info about the hardware H > installed on an Alpha 4100? If this isn't an option, is there a way toA > tell whether an Alpha 4100 is a 5/533 MHz system or a 5/600 MHzmD > system? And by the way ... what is the 5 in 5/533 for? I knew this+ > years ago ... but, sadly, have forgotten.d   $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM SDA> CLUE CONFIG  + will give you a fair amount of information.g   --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 12:58:15 -0600N; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c6 Subject: Re: getting info about hardware in alpha 41003 Message-ID: <XQU9OTznDwEX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <551735b.0404020734.1fbca89e@posting.google.com>, pzxkys@atd.gmeds.com (Martin Meadows) writes:G > Does anyone know how I can use OpenVMS to get info about the hardwarerH > installed on an Alpha 4100? If this isn't an option, is there a way toA > tell whether an Alpha 4100 is a 5/533 MHz system or a 5/600 MHz D > system? And by the way ... what is the 5 in 5/533 for? I knew this+ > years ago ... but, sadly, have forgotten. 	 > Thanks!-      show device    show memory    show cpu0'    write sys$output f$getsyi("hw_name")t      or, in short "help"  ,    And the 5 stands for EV5 Alpha processor.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 16:38:19 -0800v. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)- Subject: Good News for  NonStop (NSK) users !o= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404021638.3ac97495@posting.google.com>c   Well  8 Gartner and HP are working together to market NSK  !!!!!  . http://h71033.www7.hp.com/object/GARTNRNW.html   (the date 2-apr-2004)     Y http://mediaproducts.gartner.com/gc/webletter/hpglobal/marketvision/article5/article5.jspc  A By the way ... Will the SuperDome Itanium run NSK in the future ?u     Regards    FC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:59:20 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>7 Subject: Re: HP /Best'Ware BCS presentation in Toulousee* Message-ID: <c4kr7e$1fal$1@news.wplus.net>  / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message ' news:c4j43o$e1r$1@biggoron.nerim.net... F > We had yesterday a non confidential HP/Best'Ware presentation on the	 future of5% > HP BCS (Business Critical Systems).a >rC > Best'Ware is n1 privately owned company in Europe in IT business9
 distribution.g > http://www.bestware.fr/  > F > Here are the elements who kept my attention (i.e. everything on VMS, only). >AH > 1. The title of the presentation was "Evolution of the HP Servers line towards E > industrial standards architectures" (free translation from French).i > K > 2. The last line of the first slide had a list of operating systems logo:  >hG >         +----------+  +---------------------+  +-------+  +---------+oG >         ! HP-UX11i !  ! Windows Server 2003 !  ! Linux !  ! OpenVMS !eG >         +----------+  +---------------------+  +-------+  +---------+y >-F > The VMS logo is a curly multicolor enlarged arrow containing, in the	 center of.G > the curve, the word "OpenVMS" and on the arrow itself, the words "VAXj	 Systems -tI > Alpha Systems - Integrity". You can see it in slide 11 of the followingaL > presentation: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/OPENVMS_STRATEGY.htm or in slidef > 6 of this one:> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm >k   Didier,   K Errr.. you can also see it on the VMS homepage http://h71000.www7.hp.com !!MH (although I still using www.openvms.digital.com as its so much easier to
 remember.)   Regards-   Alex   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:26:13 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>7 Subject: Re: HP /Best'Ware BCS presentation in Toulouse>, Message-ID: <c4ki98$38t$1@news.cybercity.dk>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:> > In article <c4j43o$e1r$1@biggoron.nerim.net>, Didier Morandi > <no@spam.com> writes:. >?G >> The VMS logo is a curly multicolor enlarged arrow containing, in the G >> center of the curve, the word "OpenVMS" and on the arrow itself, the 3 >> words "VAX Systems - Alpha Systems - Integrity".r >hF > That sounds like the logo in use at last November's symposium in New > Hampshire. >sA >> 5. The justification for a Customer to choose either OS is theh >> following one:c >>G >> HP UX   : the merged quality of the HP UX and Tru64 OS on a standards >> platforma >>- >> Linux   : Linux for 32 and 64bit platformss >>. >> Windows : Windows on 32 and 64bit platforms >>A >> OpenVMS : evolution of the current installed base and need for ( >> mission critical and secure platforms  I Translation from MarketingSpeak: Dead ends with nowhere else to go and nod new customers.   >t% > So why did they leave out NonStop ?i  J Maybe they still havent forgiven those pesky engineers for defecting from HP all those years ago and ...    	 Dr. Dweebl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:16:39 +0200n3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> ( Subject: Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line: Message-ID: <c4kf5j$2kpbet$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  , On 2004-04-02 09:38, "Didier Morandi" wrote:   > [...]m > & >   10 MB - Application and Help Files  > 170 MB - World Wide QuickSpecs& > 155 MB - North America/US QuickSpecs2 > 150 MB - North America/Canada English QuickSpecs2 >   84 MB - North America/Canada French QuickSpecs( >   82 MB - North America Product Photos  F A full download of these files via an ISDN connection would take about 25 hours ...   Michaels   -- "; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.3@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.n5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 06:45:55 +0200r" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>( Subject: Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line. Message-ID: <c4lfi2$1l2o$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Michael Unger wrote:. > On 2004-04-02 09:38, "Didier Morandi" wrote: >  >  >>[...]n >>& >>  10 MB - Application and Help Files  >>170 MB - World Wide QuickSpecs& >>155 MB - North America/US QuickSpecs2 >>150 MB - North America/Canada English QuickSpecs2 >>  84 MB - North America/Canada French QuickSpecs( >>  82 MB - North America Product Photos >  > H > A full download of these files via an ISDN connection would take about > 25 hours ...  - Took me eight or so via my ADSL 512/128 link.TM But the result is amazing, and yes, I was interested in the whole package to r> identify potential differences (I'm an HP reseller, remember).   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 02 Apr 2004 11:43:47 -0500% From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@glug.org>h# Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor?i( Message-ID: <7gbrmagwjg.fsf@gnufans.net>  % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:V   > Any progress?   8 i'm currently debugging `open-network-stream'.  monitor:  1  http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/EmacsOnVMS@  @ for further updates.  (i skim this newsgroup only sporadically.)   thie   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 21:24:22 GMTt From: healyzh@aracnet.comg# Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor?g, Message-ID: <c4klm601isr@enews4.newsguy.com>  " Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:J >   > Emacs runs almost everywhere, although getting the latest version of4 >   > it and its sibling Xemacs on VMS is a problem.  K Does any version of "xemacs" currently run on OpenVMS?  I really don't carerK if it's the latest and greatest.  For that matter, is there any editor thath0 runs on OpenVMS that supports contect colouring?   		Zane   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:00:42 +0000 (UTC)e From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?) Message-ID: <c3uhl9$hug$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>(  r In article <bf98c417.0403241909.18c1d360@posting.google.com>, williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) writes:} >jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) wrote in message news:<8a646952.0403241402.49286ec7@posting.google.com>...o >> To Everyone:a >> oH >> I am find an increasing number of advertisement for job opportunitiesG >> with companies that are using VMS as an acronym in the job listings.2 >> For example:r >> i% >>    VMS - Vendor Management Systems>E >>    VMS - VMS is a world leader in news and advertising informationoE >> retrieval, providing unique services and products for thousands ofXA >> public relations firms, advertising agencies, marketers, eventf$ >> sponsors and producers worldwide. >> iG >> A couple of times I have sent emails to these sites and complained.   >> M >> Sorry for the ranting.o >> h >> Regards,s >> Daryl Jones >  >hB >Identical trademarks can coexist under circumstances in which theF >distinct areas in which the trademarks are used are dissimilar enough' >to preclude confusion between the two.- >e? >A timely illustration of the same trademark being used for twooG >dissimilar purposes is the use of the word "VAX" where use in one area @ >describes a computer and use in another area, a vacuum cleaner. > @ >Trademark survivability does depend on protecting one's area ofG >exclusivity, however, and anything less than aggressive action in this E >regard can void one's trademark (as happened with xerox and kleenex,e >to name a couple.)  >dE >If you're really interested I could dig up a couple of URLs for you.  >n >WWWebbt >t  M Unfortunately DEC/COMPAQ/HP have not defended the VMS trademark hence systemse5 such as CISCO's VMS  (VPN Security Management) exist.iK Whilst totally separate areas such as Computers and vacuum cleaners are oner/ thing products such as this are much too close.m  
 David Webb VMS and unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    & ><the reply-to address is quite real.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:22:51 -0600a( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon), Subject: MDR and SCSI devices, MKx standard?1 Message-ID: <04040213225141@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>)  @ I am in the process of putting my tape drives (TL89-2) on a MDR.  N Since I am installing these remotely I currently do not have access to the MDR
 at this time.E  = I am curious as to the tape naming convention they will take.e     TIAw     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nE VMS Systems AdministratorO* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:25:36 +1000 From: "anon" <abc@hotmail.com>0 Subject: Re: More Offshore of VMS based systems.: Message-ID: <406e2e3a$1_3@news.melbourne.pipenetworks.com>   > Folks, >RK > I have recently become aware that Coles-Meyer in Australia are shortly tohG > outsource the operations of their OracleRdb databases to an outfit ing India. >tF No quite a done deal yet but more than likely to happen.   Support forL legacy apps (cobol/vms) has been handled by Satyam (Indian outfit) for quiteL some time and this as seen as natural progresion in terms of allowing people( to concentrate on new projects occuring.  L >As we all know, India is a hotbed of Rdb expertise with a thriving customerG > base and community of experienced and knowledgable DBAs upon which tof draw,l4 > making this certainly a wise move on their behalf.  F I take it this is sarcasim?  Its a interesting point though as lack of: expertise seems not to be a concern for the higher beings.   >)J > VMS systems at C-M are being replaced btw for what I do not know, but as! > part of a rather large project.k  K Strange statement, you come accross as someone who  is familar with the wayhL Coles Myers does business and what its is trying to achieve in terms of I.T?  J > Anyway, it appears that Australia is not immune to the outsourcing trend forn> > skilled as well as unskilled positions as this link suggestsA > http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/17/1079199279549.htmle >hC > Additionally, it is I think commonly known that Deutsche Brse inc	 FrankfurteI > have raised the ogre of outsourcing of their application development tooJ > India.  I do not know whether this is just a threat to force lower rates forh@ > the contractors (a standard often used DB tactic) or a serious
 considerationWJ > on their part.  In any case, since DB uses quite a bit of VMS and Rdb inG > their core trading and clearing systems, this would certainly be newsl should! > they actually go ahead with it.  >o > philip >  >i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:31:33 +1000 From: "anon" <abc@hotmail.com>0 Subject: Re: More Offshore of VMS based systems.: Message-ID: <406e2f9e$1_3@news.melbourne.pipenetworks.com>  L > > VMS systems at C-M are being replaced btw for what I do not know, but as# > > part of a rather large project.M >OI > Strange statement, you come accross as someone who  is familar with the5 waySI > Coles Myers does business and what its is trying to achieve in terms ofb I.T?  K Apologies Philip I mis-read that point,  I believe the database engine wille be Oracle classicd   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:03:19 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?. Message-ID: <c4kddn$14uh$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Rob Young wrote:  J > 	Good question.  But I think (without looking) HP's Enterprise division I > 	actually made a small profit last quarter.  Can the same be said aboutMA > 	Sun's?  But of course my point still stands right?  The Sun isy > 	sinking . . .  / There is no more Rainbow at the end of the Sun?e  L (The one who swaps that sentence back to its original text and explains its % context wins a golden chocolate egg).t   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:07:20 GMTa+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>   Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?8 Message-ID: <IRibc.1575$Wc4.5115@bcandid.telisphere.com>   dittman@dittman.net wrote:E > I received the following from a friend at HP (the person's name hasp > been removed to protect him):  > F > ====================================================================D > Apparently with Itanium not having the market share, HP is falling  > back on IBM's POWER and AMD64: >  > Issuer:             HP5 > Authorization:      INTERNAL-HP-DEVEL-20040401-0026"# > Product Name:       OPENVMS-POWERe > Producer:           HP > Units:              0e > Activity:           A + > Checksum:           2-HCFJ-IAEH-CEGG-AGJOo >  > Issuer:             HP5 > Authorization:      INTERNAL-HP-DEVEL-20040401-0713o# > Product Name:       OPENVMS-AMD64  > Producer:           HP > Units:              0  > Activity:           A + > Checksum:           2-GBOI-LMGL-COOA-KCFM  > E > The systems haven't been announced, and I don't know any details oneE > whether AMD64 means just AMD64 or AMD64 and Opeteron, and I have no'E > ideas whether Intel's 64-bit version of the AMD64 will be included. F > ==================================================================== > E > I tried the PAKs and they are valid!  This is pretty interesting...lG Well, hot damn, I'll just run down and order me there a couple of them dH there AMD/VMSers, knowning that if this wasn't April 1, I'd be ordering  a full bakers dozen!    E Frankly, I doubt HP even realizes how much positive impact the above r! farce could actually have on VMS.e     Barry    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:31:08 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?0 Message-ID: <c4k4gp$jjh$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:T > In article <406d79fc_2@corp.newsgroups.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > 9 >>Did advertising make Sun non-profitable since dot-bomb?f >> >  > C > 	No.  Their collapse is more tied to cheaper Wintel kit and LinuxsG > 	on Intel.  The dot-bomb song and dance they trotted out for a numberj@ > 	of quarters was old news.  Their collapse is on-going and notH > 	industry-wide. i.e. easily refuted by IBM's Unix growth over the last
 > 	year plus.i >   7 Really so how do you account for HP's inability to make 8 a profit from their hardware businesses except printing.   RegardsD Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 12:46:11 -0600]; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?3 Message-ID: <vcXkyYCNhQJh@eisner.encompasserve.org>o   In article <c4k4gp$jjh$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > 9 > Really so how do you account for HP's inability to makeI: > a profit from their hardware businesses except printing.      Well obviously!  C    It's because they try too hard to sell money losing PCs, and notc)    hard enough to sell profit making VMS.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:57:45 -0400-* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?) Message-ID: <406DC5B5.F5339EC4@istop.com>o   Larry Kilgallen wrote:J > I have seen nothing in this newsgroup proving that advertising VMS would > be profitable.  7 Wow. You'd exect such a jewel only from an HP employee.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:43:48 -0600t@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?6 Message-ID: <406E4104.91DE09B1@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > { > In article <406CD823.2DC8D2B9@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  > > JF Mezei wrote:w > >> > >> "Dr. Dweeb" wrote:$P > >> > Ah, yes, however given todays date (a previous victim me) I would suggestO > >> > that these are comic rather than real.  It is a no brainer to generate aZ3 > >> > valid key once you have a keygen utility :-)  > >>Q > >> Yeah, but what is important is that there would be folks inside HP who wouldeN > >> consider it "nice" to make believe VMS was being ported to AMD and Power. > >uL > > What we and HP need are people inside who believe it would be PROFITABLE/ > > to not just port it, but market it as well!t > " > Not if that assertion is untrue. > J > I have seen nothing in this newsgroup proving that advertising VMS would > be profitable.  C ...despite the fact that such evidence has been presented countlesso times.  > Explain that to me: Put your product in front of enough peopleE (especially, enough of the "right" people, as in targetted marketing)nB and you are bound to reach those who may want to buy it. Keep your! product secret and you get - VMS!d  ( What part of that is in any way unclear?   Hints:E o Google comp.os.vms for "VMS AD" and read the various spots, spreads56 and such that have been presented here over the years.E o With the recent spate of viruses, the trade rags are now saying theDD equivalent of "if you've got something better, get it front of CxO's	 *NOW*!!!"_   --   David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:46:34 -0800c3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> @ Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyist licenses - how are they delivered?. Message-ID: <406DA6FA.8000908@Flying-Disk.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:e > In article <syIXDtPNud3d@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > E >>There were plans for such on the VAX 11-780, back when they thoughth* >>there would be no more than 2**16 VAXen. >  > E >    They were implemented on the 11/780, in the SID register.  FolksNA >    who used it got a big suprize when they ported thier code toi >    later models. > L >    We inheritted systems which used it to determine what system a generic K >    system disk was being used on, and set up the correct DECnet executor f >    name and address.  < UKADGE?   If so, I was responsible for that.   It saved what little sanity I had.   Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 12:48:38 -0600r; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) @ Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyist licenses - how are they delivered?3 Message-ID: <ZslFbJ5XVdoD@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  d In article <406DA6FA.8000908@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes: > > > UKADGE?   If so, I was responsible for that.   It saved what > little sanity I had.  >    Never heard of UKADGE.  Some of these systems had 8 massbus+    adapters, perhaps you've heard of those?i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:11:44 -0800 3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> @ Subject: Re: OpenVMS hobbyist licenses - how are they delivered?. Message-ID: <406DC900.9020904@Flying-Disk.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:f > In article <406DA6FA.8000908@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes: > > >>UKADGE?   If so, I was responsible for that.   It saved what >>little sanity I had.  = > Never heard of UKADGE.  Some of these systems had 8 massbus * > adapters, perhaps you've heard of those?  B Nope, not my systems.   UKADGE = United Kingdom Air Defence GroundB Environment.   It is Britain's air defense system, built by HughesD Aircraft and originally implemented with VAX 11/780 systems and RK07@ disks.   Since it was the first system built by Hughes that used@ virtual memory, this led to our motto: "UKADGErs do it virtually in the isles".  ; I was responsible for maintaining VMS and networking on ourt= dozen or so development systems.   Having common system packsr< with all differences keyed off the System ID saved me *lots* of work/grief.   Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 22:00:14 -0800a From: tvk73@hotmail.com (tvk)e; Subject: Re: rename dcl command on version 7.3-1 and posix?i= Message-ID: <a328ef1c.0404022200.41453d8c@posting.google.com>   : If your intention is to view/set the modification date(s),A try " SET VOLUME volume_name/VOLUME_CHARACTERISTICS=ACCESS_DATE".    --        q JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) wrote in message news:<4b6ec350.0404011523.2a7654ff@posting.google.com>...tF > A developer expressed a concern to me regarding the modified date ofA > files on an ODS-5 disk on an OpenVMS version 7.3-1 AlphaServer.  > A > On other versions of OpenVMS, renaming a file to a subdirectory , > changed the modified date of the new file.4 > On version 7.3-1 the modified date did not change. > * > I noticed the following in OpenVMS HELP. >  > V731_FEATURESf >   Programming  >     RMS_New_Features3 >       Support_for_POSIX-Compliant_File_TimestampseE >            To enable easier porting of UNIX applications to OpenVMSe > Alpha,F >            RMS adds support for POSIX-compliant file timestamps. The > XABDATG >            structure has been extended to include the POSIX-complianth > accessE >            date, attribute modification date, and data modificationm > dateE >            ($OPEN and $DISPLAY). This mechanism can also be used toa	 > set all F >            dates on a $CREATE, which is likely to happen in the case > of aG >            file restoration. Support for these dates is restricted to< > ODS-5 E >            volumes and requires the volume to be enabled for access  > date >            support.t > @ >            Updating the POSIX-compliant access date, attribute > modificationC >            date, and data modification date values through RMS is- > supportedr( >            using the XABITM structure. > F >            XABITM$_NORECORD can be used to suppress update of access > time.  >  > F > Even when the developer SET FILE/ATTRIBUTES on the renamed file, the > modified date did not change.d > H > What do we need to know about POSIX-compliant file modification dates? > 	 > Thanks.s > 0 > Jim Strehlow, Data911, OpenVMS Systems Manager > Alameda, CA, USA > C > "The boss reminded us that we only have a week left to finish ourn, > project, so we ought to be half done now." > "You have not even started."+ > "Yeah, but I work better under pressure."a* > "Actually you work only under pressure."F > "That way the work time is more miserable; but there is less of it."C >  variation of a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon by Bill Watterson, 1995    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:32:46 +0000 (UTC)- From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spam form kerry) Message-ID: <c3pvse$5r0$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>u  Z In article <00A2F3CC.670030EB.9@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes: >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsp >>Subject: Re: Spam form kerry" >>From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG2 >>Message-ID: <00A2F39C.D8B38EF9@SendSpamHere.ORG> >>Organization: TMESIS Software  >o >9 > P >It appears that Virtual PC for Mac will solve these problems.  It's basically aM >billybox emulator that runs under mac osx.  A sandbox for a billybox, if you$ >will.  A billysandbox?  :-) 5 >l  I Unfortunately not a sandbox just another vulnerable Microsoft applicationi seet  ? http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS04-005.mpx   E "Vulnerability in Virtual PC for MAC Could Allow Privilege Elevation"e    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    L >The dual-cpu mac G4 is so much faster than the billybox being replaced that< >hopefully the emulation overhead won't be that noticable.   > J >I've already installed paintshop and the companion Media Center, and bothP >appear to work normally on the emulation, and with adequate speed.  So it looksL >as if that part of the mission has been accomplished.  No worries about theP >internet, because when I run in this mode I turn off the simulated network cardM >completely.  If I want to transfer files into the virtual pc, it's easier torP >just use the regular mac ftp to get them on the system, then a shared folder to  >get them into the virtual disk. >- > H >As far as the billycentric browsing is concerned, it may be possible toO >actually browse from the simulated billybox in semi-secure fashion.  It has toa- >do with how the simulated disk is handled.    >iM >When you start up the emulation a standard mac drive image (virtual disk) istP >mounted and used for the system disk.  However, while the emulation is running,M >write operations to the disk don't actually make changes to the disk itself,gN >they are instead accumulated in a separate change file.  This goes on for theN >duration of the boot.  Then when you shut down, you have the option to commitO >all the changes to the disk, i.e. the changes are made permanently, or you cantP >*toss* them and the disk remains as it was before the boot.  Any changes to the4 >disk during this past boot never actually happened. >hN >Therefore any files added or modified while browsing, including spyware, dataI >miners, cookies, viruses, worms, or *whatever*, are *gone* and are never O >written to the real disk.  True, you also lose your cache, and any cookies you M >might have *wanted* to keep, but hey, I consider that a small price to pay. eL >This is only for web sites that I can't access directly via the mac anyway. >nH >Obviously if you do a *save* operation from the browser, i.e. a .jpg orO >something you want to keep, move it to the shared folder so that it is visiblekJ >outside the emulation and therefore not tossed with the rest of the disk. >" >$N >The only drawback to this is that Virtual PC is a product of Microshit ratherN >than Apple.  I have much greater faith in the developers at the latter ratherL >than the "engineering" department of the former.  Haven't seen any problemsO >yet, but I've only had the product a couple of days.  I'm hoping that it won'taN >at least screw up any *more* than a real billybox would have.  As long as theP >mac enviroment keeps it encapsulated well enough that it doesn't fuck things upO >outside the emulation, that would be sufficient.  As far as internal fuckups, cO >with the disk images and such, it should be pretty easy to back up and restore2 >from the mac. >rN >The other thing was that I swore I would never give billy any more money, notL >even for something non-computer-related like an xbox.  But I guess one lastO >time to free myself of him completely from now on is worth it.  If this works,eN >I'll just give the billybox to my brother.  Not because I don't like him, but) >because he doesn't know any better.  :-)  >n >WayneP >===============================================================================O >Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com < >http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   P >===============================================================================C >Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"o- >	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:12:40 -0600( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: Spam form kerry/ Message-ID: <00A2FC6E.EEB748DF.1@tachysoft.com>    >From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uks >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Re: Spam form kerry , >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:32:46 +0000 (UTC)4 >Organization: Middlesex University, London, England     >>Q >>It appears that Virtual PC for Mac will solve these problems.  It's basically a-N >>billybox emulator that runs under mac osx.  A sandbox for a billybox, if you >>will.  A billysandbox?  :-)  >> >?J >Unfortunately not a sandbox just another vulnerable Microsoft application >see >i@ >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS04-005.mpx >aF >"Vulnerability in Virtual PC for MAC Could Allow Privilege Elevation"    J Actually, there appears to a typo in the URL above.  After getting 404 andD searching for virtual pc, I found that the correct url ends in .mspx    N I guess I should have known it was to good to be true when I saw the microshitM name on the box.  I'll have to think about whether to install the update that L supposedly fixes this, which of course would introduce more billyware on the& system and probably make things worse.O ===============================================================================dN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   =O ===============================================================================,P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2004 12:51:17 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitableJ3 Message-ID: <3pM6IaXkZPIa@eisner.encompasserve.org>h   In article <c4k0u0$i98$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > C > But again none of this applies to Sun because there is no licenseF > deal between Sun and SCO.   H    Now you've reversed yourself.  Buying IP and buying a license are the#    same in the eye of the beholder.a   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.184 ************************