1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 04 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 187       Contents: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS Re: :-) BOFH needs VMSB Re: Access violation while linking with cxxlink 6.5-004 on vms 7.3 Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards( Re: Good News for  NonStop (NSK) users ! Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line . Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line (possibly not). Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line (possibly not) Re: HTML favourite editor? Re: OpenVMS for POWER!? $ Re: OT - Outsourced customer service- Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon  Re: OT: fingerprint processing  Re: simple question on shadowing  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:54:49 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS 0 Message-ID: <00A2FCD0.FE3007D9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <406E4B23.5010604@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:   >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > K >>However in this case it would be simpler to get the simh or ts10 emulator F >>rather than pursuading the company to fork out money for Charon-VAX. >> >>   >>J >Except that your suggestion to use simh or ts10 is not even an apples to  >apples comparison because:  >  > C >1. They will not even 'closely' approach the performance of CHARON J >2. Neither have been confirmed to pass the VAX hardware diagnostic suites< >3. Neither are eligible for the license transfer programs.  >  > A >So, simh and ts10 are really only 'hobbyist ready' options, not  I >production ready, unless you don't care about speed and you're going to  J >run BSD Unix on the emulated VAX which makes about as much sense as your  >original suggestion...   : So where is Charon-VAX for my Apple Powebook running OS X?   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:01:42 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS ) Message-ID: <c4m936$4ka$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   U In article <406E4B23.5010604@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:   >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > L >>However in this case it would be simpler to get the simh or ts10 emulator F >>rather than pursuading the company to fork out money for Charon-VAX. >> >>   >>J >Except that your suggestion to use simh or ts10 is not even an apples to  >apples comparison because:  >  > C >1. They will not even 'closely' approach the performance of CHARON J >2. Neither have been confirmed to pass the VAX hardware diagnostic suites< >3. Neither are eligible for the license transfer programs.  >  > A >So, simh and ts10 are really only 'hobbyist ready' options, not  I >production ready, unless you don't care about speed and you're going to  J >run BSD Unix on the emulated VAX which makes about as much sense as your  >original suggestion...  >  >   K Firstly apologies that this and other posts of mine have only now turned up O sometime after the original posting - our newserver wasn't passing messages out  of the University.  O As I said "in this case it would be simpler to get the simh or ts10 emulator ". 6 Why ? Because all he wanted to do was play dungeon !!!A Hence all that is required IN THIS INSTANCE is a hobbyist system.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >Barry >  >--  > ? >Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com ? >Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320 ? >Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028  >                        >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:07:31 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS ' Message-ID: <407032C3.5030709@MMaz.com>    VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   V >In article <406E4B23.5010604@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes: >    > ! >>david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  >>     >>L >>>However in this case it would be simpler to get the simh or ts10 emulatorG >>>rather than pursuading the company to fork out money for Charon-VAX. 	 >>>        >>> K >>Except that your suggestion to use simh or ts10 is not even an apples to   >>apples comparison because: >> >>D >>1. They will not even 'closely' approach the performance of CHARONK >>2. Neither have been confirmed to pass the VAX hardware diagnostic suites = >>3. Neither are eligible for the license transfer programs.   >> >>B >>So, simh and ts10 are really only 'hobbyist ready' options, not J >>production ready, unless you don't care about speed and you're going to K >>run BSD Unix on the emulated VAX which makes about as much sense as your   >>original suggestion... >>     >> > ; >So where is Charon-VAX for my Apple Powebook running OS X?  >    > I Well, the more broad question of Unix/Linux support is probably what you  H are really asking, and though it is good question, it is not one I have  an answer for...      H Just curious, however, so that we are not generating an unlevel playing I field with your question, does simh and ts10 run on BSD, Linux or Unix?   G Again, even if they do, these are only hobbyist solutions because HP's  5 license transfer program is specific to CHARON-VAX...      Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2004 08:38:35 -0700 & From: igor.wetoschkin@bosch.com (igor)K Subject: Re: Access violation while linking with cxxlink 6.5-004 on vms 7.3 = Message-ID: <c9ed474c.0404040738.12b1a763@posting.google.com>   q martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby) wrote in message news:<224291b.0404020419.4bb0834@posting.google.com>... l > igor.wetoschkin@bosch.com (igor) wrote in message news:<c9ed474c.0404010731.da28f31@posting.google.com>...
 > > Hallo, > > C > > %MMS-F-ABORT, For target ACI_SP.EXE, CLI returned abort status:  > > %X1000000C.  > >  > H > Which version of OpenVMS ? Does it happen when you execute the cxxlink > command not within MMS ?  E I'm working with version OpenVMS 7.3.1. I's also happen, if j execute  cxxlink not within mms-File.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:41:47 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards : Message-ID: <c4oe7r$2kopvq$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Alan E. Feldman wrote:n > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<c4mdcs$2lfd6d$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>... >  >>David J. Dachtera wrote: >> >>>"Alan E. Feldman" wrote:  >>>  >  > [...]  > I >>Another advantage of spacing is that when editing using the EDT keypad  7 >>you can use KP1 to move to and fro by word in a line.  >> >>For example,:  >>< >>$ result = F$PARSE(filespec, default-spec, related-spec, -  >>            field, parse-type) >>7 >>(well I didn't want it to wrap, but you get the idea)  >> >>Is easier to edit than >>I >>$ result = F$PARSE(filespec,default-spec,related-spec,field,parse-type)  >  > 1 > That's what my "EDT GOLD CONTROL A" key is for!   E Personal preferences again. To me that's 3 keys to be pressed. Also,  G I've worked at so many different customer sites that I have formed the  E habit of not customising editor or login files beyond a bare minimum.   & > And the second way fits on one line.  ) OK, I could have picked a better example.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:44:26 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards : Message-ID: <c4oecq$2kopvq$3@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Alan E. Feldman wrote:n > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<c4mdcs$2lfd6d$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>... >  >>David J. Dachtera wrote: >> >>>"Alan E. Feldman" wrote:  >>>  >  > [...]  > I >>Another advantage of spacing is that when editing using the EDT keypad  7 >>you can use KP1 to move to and fro by word in a line.  >> >>For example,:  >>< >>$ result = F$PARSE(filespec, default-spec, related-spec, -  >>            field, parse-type) >>7 >>(well I didn't want it to wrap, but you get the idea)  >> >>Is easier to edit than >>I >>$ result = F$PARSE(filespec,default-spec,related-spec,field,parse-type)  >  > 1 > That's what my "EDT GOLD CONTROL A" key is for!   E Personal preferences again. To me that's 3 keys to be pressed. Also,  G I've worked at so many different customer sites that I have formed the  E habit of not customising editor or login files beyond a bare minimum.   '  > And the second way fits on one line.     C OK, I could have picked a better example. Mozilla wrapped it, so I  6 introduced the continuation character during my reply.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 10:07:23 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards : Message-ID: <c4ofns$2ljslh$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Dave Weatherall wrote:7 > On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 04:33:32 UTC, "David J. Dachtera"  / > <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote:  >  >  >>"Alan E. Feldman" wrote: >>	 >>>[snip]  >>>I do  >>>  >>>$_label:  >>>$    IF (BLAH.EQS.BLEH) >>>$    THEN! >>>$        exciting loop command ! >>>$        exciting loop command ! >>>$        exciting loop command 
 >>>$    ENDIF  >>>  >>>Mr. Dachtera won't like it! >>J >>Neither do certain versions of DCL. I learned (the hard way) a long timeF >>ago (circa. 1990) to never GOTO out of an IF-THEN[-ELSE]-ENDIF block >  > ....   > H >>IMHO, it's just bad form to GOTO out of an IF-THEN[-ELSE]-ENDIF block. >  > E > My recollection, from the same time-frame, is that the problem was  H > doing a GOTO backwards. I surmised that the parser did as it was told G > but didn't reset the nesting level. GOTO forwards beyond the ENDIF"s  B > meant the parser did/could resolve nesting levels and the loops H > continued to work on subsequent calls. In my case that was at least a 
 > 100 times.   >  > 	 >>$label:  >>$ IF	(BLAH.EQS.BLEH) >>$ THEN >>$	exciting loop command  >>$	exciting loop command  >>$	exciting loop command 	 >>$ ENDIF  >  > 
 > I prefer :-  > 
 > $ label:) > $	if x .eqs. y			! What I'm testing for  > $	   then , > $	       do something		!    What I'm doing > $	endif				! ! >   G I prefer keeping the then at the same indentation as the if and endif,  8 as demonstrated in the last example in HELP IF Examples:     $label: ' $	if x .eqs. y			! What I'm testing for  $	then' $	    do something		!    What I'm doing  $	endif				! !  F Note that I removed the space before label: By adopting that practice H labels stand out clearly, even when you indent the commands by only one  space.  B > I just find it easier to read. The 'label, tab to first column, > > indented comment' layout might have something to do with my F > MACRO-11/32 & Fortran habits !! It may not have executed as quickly H > (in context it was marginal in 1991 and absolutely negligible now) but > I find it easier to maintain.  >   E My habits go back to Fortan too. Also DEC COBOL introduced "Terminal  F format", which uses a tab at the beginning of the line instead of the I traditional indentation by column number for statements, reinforcing the  A habit. The only disadvantage of tabs is where a compiler listing  H prefixes a line with a line number, occasionally throwing a line out of ' alignment with the rest of the listing.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2004 10:54:02 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404040954.597d15c2@posting.google.com>   l Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<c4oecq$2kopvq$3@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>... > Alan E. Feldman wrote:p > > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<c4mdcs$2lfd6d$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>... > >>David J. Dachtera wrote: > >>>"Alan E. Feldman" wrote: 	 > > [...] K > >>Another advantage of spacing is that when editing using the EDT keypad  9 > >>you can use KP1 to move to and fro by word in a line.  > >> > >>For example,:  > >>> > >>$ result = F$PARSE(filespec, default-spec, related-spec, -" > >>            field, parse-type) > >>9 > >>(well I didn't want it to wrap, but you get the idea)  > >> > >>Is easier to edit than > >>K > >>$ result = F$PARSE(filespec,default-spec,related-spec,field,parse-type)  > >  > > 3 > > That's what my "EDT GOLD CONTROL A" key is for!  > G > Personal preferences again. To me that's 3 keys to be pressed. Also,  I > I've worked at so many different customer sites that I have formed the  G > habit of not customising editor or login files beyond a bare minimum.   F Yes, I remember your bringing up the point of your working at multiple> sights before (I think it was you!). But sometimes I'm editing5 inherited stuff and my GOLD CONTROL A comes in handy!   D Yes, GOLD CONTROL is not the easiest, but I don't use it that often.? And I have to admit: sometimes I do put in spaces between items F (usually DCL qualifiers) to make each item a single editor word. Also,E I've been thinking of swapping my EDT GOLD CONTROL A with my EDT GOLD B A as I use the latter much less often. (The latter, in addition to= defining all non-question-mark printable characters and a few F formatting characters as delimiters, does a SET WORD DELIM and createsF very "short" words. Actually windows [HTML windows, the type where youF type in free-form text, and at least some Windows apps] always seem to@ be in this short word mode which I really hate. You want to moveC through a line by word and you use Ctrl - L|R arrow and it stops in > front of and behind every stupid non-letter character! This isD especially painful for skipping over an IP address which takes sevenB Ctrl-arrows!!! Stopping once for each dot would be enough.[This isC even worse than those products where you have to twist clockwise to E untwist a twist tie! Who comes up with these half-assed ideas?] There C should be a way to adjust the word delimiters just like there is in D EDT. Or at least the default should the equivalent of EDT's SET WORD NODELIMETER. Oh well.)  F (I have to give credit for the EDT [gold] control A key definitions toB whoever wrote the EDT init file template I found on a VAX 11/750 I worked on in the 1980's.)   C Basically, you have two competing interests: Keep the length of the F command from getting to long and spaced out, and make it easy to edit.F In some cases I add the spaces; in others I do not. I haven't bothered? to boil it down to a hard and fast set of rules. Each case is a  judgement call.   ) >  > And the second way fits on one line.  >  > E > OK, I could have picked a better example. Mozilla wrapped it, so I  8 > introduced the continuation character during my reply.   OK.   E Editing contains lots of things that can be a pain and we all do what B we can to make it less of a pain, or easier if you prefer positiveD words! And one man's pain is another's "no big deal". Hence all thisD disagreement on form. Still, I can't see the motivation for a making SET WORD DELIM the default.    OK.    JMO    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 11:13:18 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: Good News for  NonStop (NSK) users ! . Message-ID: <40702611$1_2@corp.newsgroups.com>  ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message 7 news:f30679fb.0404021638.3ac97495@posting.google.com...  > Well > : > Gartner and HP are working together to market NSK  !!!!! > 0 > http://h71033.www7.hp.com/object/GARTNRNW.html >  > (the date 2-apr-2004)  >  >  > L http://mediaproducts.gartner.com/gc/webletter/hpglobal/marketvision/article5
 /article5.jsp  > C > By the way ... Will the SuperDome Itanium run NSK in the future ?  >   L The Gartner report does not mention OpenVMS as a competitor to NSK, and thenJ specifically goes on to deride clustered systems for being more complex to* operate and possibly more costly than NSK.  B I have been told by an NSK admin at a major bank that RDF can missC transactions under certain modes of failure - those it gets will be L guaranteed to intact but it can miss some along the way. I believe that thisD was also alluded to in an article in one of last year's OpenVMS Tech Journal's articles on clusters.         > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! ? -----==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:00:33 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>( Subject: Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line) Message-ID: <c4mjhh$h37$1@news.wplus.net>   / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message ( news:c4mjbh$254i$1@biggoron.nerim.net... > Alex Daniels wrote:  > J > > Can you tell me the part number for the OpenVMS 7.3-2 source listings? >  > Course I can:  > ; > QB-MT1AB-E8 OpenVMS Alpha Listings CD-ROM Kit and License 9 > QB-001AB-E8 OpenVMS VAX Listings CD-ROM Kit and License  >  > Next question? >  > D. > --  > >                    Discover the FutureVAX: www.futurevax.com: >                            Discover VAXUS: www.vaxus.org > L >     didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPD >   Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation ~	 Migration L >     Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287I >       SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com    Thanks Didier.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2004 07:41:25 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line (possibly not) 3 Message-ID: <86KcBupUI$zX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <c4oadf$2l75sr$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:j >> In article <c4mfbo$2hge6d$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: >>   >>>Michael Unger wrote:  >>> 0 >>>>On 2004-04-02 09:38, "Didier Morandi" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>
 >>>>>[...] >>>>> ( >>>>> 10 MB - Application and Help Files# >>>>>170 MB - World Wide QuickSpecs ) >>>>>155 MB - North America/US QuickSpecs 5 >>>>>150 MB - North America/Canada English QuickSpecs 4 >>>>> 84 MB - North America/Canada French QuickSpecs* >>>>> 82 MB - North America Product Photos >>>> >>>>J >>>>A full download of these files via an ISDN connection would take about >>>>25 hours ... >>>> >>> I >>>The best way around that nowadays is to get a friend or colleague who  F >>>has an ADSL connection to burn a CD for you. Of course you need to D >>>choose someone you can trust not to have a virus-ridden system... >>   >>  K >> Why would a virus matter to someone receiving the CD onto a VMS system ?  > F > In this particular case, the software being downloaded runs on a PC.  @ Has this whole discussion been about something that only runs on Microsoft Windows ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 15:01:01 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>7 Subject: Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line (possibly not) : Message-ID: <c4p0ue$2k9otb$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:i > In article <c4oadf$2l75sr$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  >  >>Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>j >>>In article <c4mfbo$2hge6d$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: >>>  >>>  >>>>Michael Unger wrote: >>>> >>>>1 >>>>>On 2004-04-02 09:38, "Didier Morandi" wrote:  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>>[...]  >>>>>>( >>>>>>10 MB - Application and Help Files$ >>>>>>170 MB - World Wide QuickSpecs* >>>>>>155 MB - North America/US QuickSpecs6 >>>>>>150 MB - North America/Canada English QuickSpecs4 >>>>>>84 MB - North America/Canada French QuickSpecs* >>>>>>82 MB - North America Product Photos >>>>>  >>>>> K >>>>>A full download of these files via an ISDN connection would take about  >>>>>25 hours ...  >>>>>  >>>>J >>>>The best way around that nowadays is to get a friend or colleague who G >>>>has an ADSL connection to burn a CD for you. Of course you need to  E >>>>choose someone you can trust not to have a virus-ridden system...  >>>  >>> K >>>Why would a virus matter to someone receiving the CD onto a VMS system ?  >>F >>In this particular case, the software being downloaded runs on a PC. >  > B > Has this whole discussion been about something that only runs on > Microsoft Windows ?   I I'm afraid so. Here's a partial dump of the first file, CPB_INSTALLER.EXE   3 Virtual block number 1 (00000001), 512 (0200) bytes   =   0000FFFF 000F0004 00000002 00505A4D MZP............. 000000 =   00000000 001A0040 00000000 000000B8 .......@....... 000010 =   00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 000020 =   00000100 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 000030 =   909021CD 4C01B821 CD09B41F 0E0010BA .....!.L!.. 000040 =   73756D20 6D617267 6F727020 73696854 This program mus 000050 =   57207265 646E7520 6E757220 65622074 t be run under W 000060 =   00000000 00000000 37240A0D 32336E69 in32..$7........ 000070    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2004 08:46:14 -0700 0 From: keith.cayemberg@arcor.de (Keith Cayemberg)# Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? = Message-ID: <f64e50ca.0404040746.69fa72fc@posting.google.com>   M healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in message news:<c4klm601isr@enews4.newsguy.com>... $ > Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:L > >   > Emacs runs almost everywhere, although getting the latest version of6 > >   > it and its sibling Xemacs on VMS is a problem. > M > Does any version of "xemacs" currently run on OpenVMS?  I really don't care M > if it's the latest and greatest.  For that matter, is there any editor that 2 > runs on OpenVMS that supports contect colouring? >  > 		Zane   Hi Zane,  C To my knowledge, there has been no version of XEmacs which has been C ported to OpenVMS. A recent web-based research by myself, led me to 8 this conclusion. I also found the following statement...  @ http://www.tug.org/ftp/texlive/Contents/live/xemtex/etc/MACHINESB "VMS has never been supported by XEmacs.  In fact, all the old VMSD code inherited from Emacs has been removed.  Sorry, all you VMS fans out there."   E The most current port of Emacs for OpenVMS that I'm aware of is v21.2 ! on the OpenVMS Freeware v.6 CD... 9 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/emacs-21_2/   @ JED comes in a test-mode and a xjed x-windows-mode. At least theC text mode supports color syntax highlighting. I'm not sure if the x  version 6 does. JED also supports edt and emacs keyboard setups.8 http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?JED- http://www.decus.de:8080/www/vms/sw/jed.htmlx   ? As already mentioned by others the normal distribution of Nedit = supports OpenVMS. As start for Nedit Info for OpenVMS try the  following URL...1 http://decus.decus.de:8080/www/vms/sw/nedit.htmlx   < Netbeans also contains an editor with syntax highlighting...8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/distnb.html  http://www.netbeans.org/  F Another Programmer's editor for OpenVMS with many features is jEdit... http://www.jedit.org/ 8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/jedit_vms/  @ LSE from the DECset suite also has a DECwindows mode with syntax
 highlighting. : http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/decset/lse_index.html= http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/decset/decset_index.html    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg 9 An American in the Monegasque Kingdom of Lower Saxony ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 10:16:15 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?: Message-ID: <c4og8f$2io8ud$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:   <snip>  (  > It took me a few tries to get VAX/VMSA > to recognize its own PAK.  I don't know which items I got wrong . > the first few times, but finally it took it. >   I That's the reason I put the LICENSE commands into a command procedure. I  < know I'm likely to make an error entering the details using - SYS$UPDATE:VMSLICENSE.COM, so I don't use it.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 17:42:42 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> - Subject: Re: OT - Outsourced customer service < Message-ID: <mICbc.1845$zX.19594303@news-text.cableinet.net>  D http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,1183552,00.html seems appropriate reading.   --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 17:34:08 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>6 Subject: Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon- Message-ID: <c4mlhn$27ra$1@news.cybercity.dk>    4Paul Sture wrote: > Dr. Dweeb wrote:	 >> Folks,  >>E >> The Dweeb has purchased some books at Amazon.co.uk, and since I am E >> VAT registered, I should not have to pay VAT on these professional  >> volumes.  >> >> $ SET VENT/ITEM=SPLEEN/ON >>F >> The story thus far is that I have had three boilerplate cut & pasteG >> emails back, each promising to get it right (one prior to shipping & E >> billing, one prior to billing, one after shipping) and without any E >> noticable effect. Amazon owe me the VAT that they have incorrectly 8 >> debited my VISA card, and the Dweeb is getting irate. >>; >> So, to the following 3 people at amazon customer support  >> >> Achint Kishore  >> Saurabh Sehgal  >> Sankhya Dey >>E >> in whatever 3rd world country in which you happen to reside, a big D >> rasberry to you.  Two of you have failed miserably, while the 3rdE >> (you know who you are) has the unique opportunity to get it right.  >> >> $ SET VENT/OFF  >> >> Dr, Dweeb >> >>G > Did they give you a proper VAT invoice? I'd pass the details onto the 7 > VAT authorities and let them deal with it :-) :-) :-)   K Yes - no legal issues there, and the logistics functioned perfectly and the   goods arrived within a few days.  K However they are completely unable to deal with intra-EU sales that are VAT K free.  Worse, they send boilerplate letters telling you that they cannot do L it with their computer systems, but that they will fix the order manually soG you will not be charged.  Well, I was charged - and so it goes.  I will K publishe the sequence of emails when the saga finishes - they make humorous  reading.  
 Dr. Dweeb.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:39:18 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: OT: fingerprint processing . Message-ID: <40701e19$1_2@corp.newsgroups.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:406F80DE.A905A3DF@istop.com...  > Chuck Chopp wrote:K > > years now.  With Novell Modular Authentication Services, it is entirely K > > possible to eliminate regular username/password authentication in favor  of > > biometric authentication.  > L > The minute a foreign govcernment with inadequate (or missing) data privacyH > laws has a copy of your biometric information, you should not use suchH > information for authentication for any other services.  An immigrationL > requiring your fingerprint, retina scan or DNA is tantamount to asking you for  > your ATM card PIN number.  > J > They are even talking about requiring RFID technology in passports which would K > contain your biometric information. That means that crooks will just have  toG > stand by international arrivals and remotely scan passports of people  existing= > from the customs hall and gain their biometric information.  > E > Lets say you require fingerprint authentication to launch a nuclear  missile.F > Do you really think that a general whose fingerprints can be used to launchC > such a missile would agree to have his fingerprints taken by some  immigration  > official of another country ?  > K > At a police station, they can rub your fingers with alchool to ensure you H > don't have any film glued on. But at an airport processing hundreds of peopleD > per hour (of not in the thousands), they won't have time to ensure
 passengers% > don't have "false prints" glued on.  > E > If a market develops to help people protect their identity, it will 
 invalidateG > fingerprinting as a way to identify users for computing because false  printsH > will widely become available. And there will be a market for people to< > "donate" their prints to be used to make the false prints.  K The only problem with that is you'd never know whether the 'prints' you buy  are 'cleaner' than your own.     <conspiracy theory> L With a huge database of non-citizen fingerprints at their disposal, how longF do you think that it would take 'black helicopter' agencies to provideF specially-selected false glue-on prints of perceived foreign politicalG enemies (ie. administration-critical journalists, film makers, writers, J scientists, executives of successful competitors to US businesses, etc...)B to their agents operating in foreign countries in order to leave aK deliberate 'print' at the scene in order to target and incriminate innocent ' people when covert acts are undertaken?   > Most administrations can't seem to resist the temptation...... </conspiracy theory>        > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! ? -----==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 17:35:57 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) ) Subject: Re: simple question on shadowing ( Message-ID: <c4ph1t$sck$1@pcls4.std.com>  S helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:   J >What are the hard-and-fast rules which determine the circumstances under 0 >which a shadow copy or shadow merge is started?  I If any node leaves the cluster (crashes) without dismounting a shadowset, & a merge is necessary.  Simple as that.  D The standard VMS shutdown dismounts all drives but if an applicationC keeps a file open on the shadowset, that will prevent it from being ? dismounted.  Modify your shutdown so that all applications that ! use the shadowsets are shut down.   D >Once a merge has started, how much will disk activity slow down theI >merge?  (In my case, however, the LAN speed is probably the bottleneck.)   E One of the biggest performance hits is reads past the merge fence are E much slower since shadowing has to read all members and compare them.   I Minimerge is cool.  Merges complete in seconds, not hours.  Unfortunately E there is nothing in the SCSI or fibrechannel spec to handle a Digital D specific drive command.  I am not familiar with the newest minicopy// write bitmap stuff in the most recent versions.    --   -Mike    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.187 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        .m:   ANONYMOUS    job terminated at  2-APR-2004 02:43:48.81never heard of the RT command.  Try HELP.1 <<< RT 80,116,204,136,131,705 >>> 500 I never heard of the RT command.  Try HELP.1 <<< RT 80,116,204,136,131,705 >>> 500 I never heard of the RT command.  Try HELP.1 <<< RT 80,116,204,136,131,705 >>> 500 I never heard of the RT command.  Try HELP.1 <<< RT 80,116,204,136,131,705 >>> 500 I never heard of the RT command.  Try HELP.1
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