1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 05 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 189       Contents: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS' Re: Alpha DS-10 and Raxco Perfect Cache @ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers  RE: An interesting Search result RE: CVS on VMS Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line ' Re: Live chat with HP on DECnet Plus...  Re: Loss of a VMS legend Re: Loss of a VMS legend Re: Loss of a VMS legend Re: Loss of a VMS legend Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  RE: OpenVMS for POWER!? $ Re: OT - Outsourced customer service- Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon  Re: OT: fingerprint processing Re: OT: fingerprint processing Re: OT: fingerprint processing% Re: Parsing Compaq BASIC ".MAP" files # RE: revoking  VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER  simple question on shadowing  Re: simple question on shadowing" SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?% Re: Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards " Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP& Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable0 [OT]: Franken-food   was Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  " Date: Mon,  5 Apr 04 12:44:08 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.si  Subject: Re: :-) BOFH needs VMS & Message-ID: <4071549c$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  : In Article <4070fe04.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>4 martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:E >I have simh running on SuSE Linux. The code is generic enough to run H >almost anywhere (it even compiles on DEC C/OpenVMS Alpha); the criticalD >thingie that won't be available everywhere is the pcap library that >provides ethernet support.   <  It even runs perfectly on OpenVMS Alpha, network including.   Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461 ; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464  Slovenia   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:25:48 GMT 3 From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@earthlink.nospamme> 0 Subject: Re: Alpha DS-10 and Raxco Perfect CacheC Message-ID: <MVUbc.10029$NL4.9302@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>   
 Dan wrote:4 >Our vendor wants to charge us nearly $3500 for the   F I just bough a complete dual 500 MHz CPU DS20 with 1 GB of memory for D about $3500 !  It included Unix licenses, but the VMS licenses were  similarly priced.   C Back in 1980 I was told "The fastest way to tune a VAX (for better  E performance) is to buy more memory !"  More memory and a few autogen   feedback can work wonders !!     Jack   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 11:48:38 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 3 Message-ID: <JTGkXL77T1Nh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <c4rtl3$6rc$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes: > 0 > It isn't written in Java (well some of it is).  F    That's just plain sad.  I thought Java was Sun's lead in this area.'    They should change the product name.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:37:01 -0400* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>) Subject: RE: An interesting Search result ' Message-ID: <013414EE.C22236@yahoo.com>    Jack Peacock wrote:   < > Also, Solaris is the title of an SF book by Stanislaus Lem  @ That's Stanislaw Lem.  http://www.cyberiad.info/english/main.htm --  
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:01:38 -0400* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: CVS on VMS ' Message-ID: <01341139.C22236@yahoo.com>    Keith A. Lewis wrote:   D > Hmmm, I don't have access to a VAX to check, but I wonder if ODS-5G > over NFS works.  It works great for Alpha<->Linux, but since ODS-5 is @ > prohibited everywhere else in VAX it probably doesn't work for > VAX<->Linux.    L OpenVMS VAX V7.2 or later can mount ODS-5 volumes and reference the files onI them provided the files' naming conforms to ODS-2 standards.  Thus, ODS-5  over NFS won't work. --  
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 09:15:29 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards : Message-ID: <c4r12h$2l5sco$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Alan E. Feldman wrote:n > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<c4oecq$2kopvq$3@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>... >  >>Alan E. Feldman wrote: >>o >>>Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<c4mdcs$2lfd6d$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>...  >>>  >>>>David J. Dachtera wrote: >>>> >>>>>"Alan E. Feldman" wrote:  >>>  >>>[...] >>> K >>>>Another advantage of spacing is that when editing using the EDT keypad  9 >>>>you can use KP1 to move to and fro by word in a line.  >>>> >>>>For example,:  >>>>> >>>>$ result = F$PARSE(filespec, default-spec, related-spec, -! >>>>           field, parse-type)  >>>>9 >>>>(well I didn't want it to wrap, but you get the idea)  >>>> >>>>Is easier to edit than >>>>K >>>>$ result = F$PARSE(filespec,default-spec,related-spec,field,parse-type)  >>>  >>> 2 >>>That's what my "EDT GOLD CONTROL A" key is for! >>G >>Personal preferences again. To me that's 3 keys to be pressed. Also,  I >>I've worked at so many different customer sites that I have formed the  G >>habit of not customising editor or login files beyond a bare minimum.  >  > H > Yes, I remember your bringing up the point of your working at multiple@ > sights before (I think it was you!). But sometimes I'm editing7 > inherited stuff and my GOLD CONTROL A comes in handy!  >    Yes, it was me.   F > Yes, GOLD CONTROL is not the easiest, but I don't use it that often.A > And I have to admit: sometimes I do put in spaces between items H > (usually DCL qualifiers) to make each item a single editor word. Also,G > I've been thinking of swapping my EDT GOLD CONTROL A with my EDT GOLD D > A as I use the latter much less often. (The latter, in addition to? > defining all non-question-mark printable characters and a few H > formatting characters as delimiters, does a SET WORD DELIM and createsH > very "short" words. Actually windows [HTML windows, the type where youH > type in free-form text, and at least some Windows apps] always seem toB > be in this short word mode which I really hate. You want to moveE > through a line by word and you use Ctrl - L|R arrow and it stops in @ > front of and behind every stupid non-letter character! This isF > especially painful for skipping over an IP address which takes sevenD > Ctrl-arrows!!! Stopping once for each dot would be enough.[This isE > even worse than those products where you have to twist clockwise to G > untwist a twist tie! Who comes up with these half-assed ideas?] There E > should be a way to adjust the word delimiters just like there is in F > EDT. Or at least the default should the equivalent of EDT's SET WORD > NODELIMETER. Oh well.) >   F I've come across that "short word delimiter" on Linux too, but in the I context of double clicking the mouse to select by word. On some versions  F I've found where to redefine the delimiters but in Mac OSX's Terminal H haven't found how to do that. It forces me to drag the mouse to select, H which can be a pain if I'm using the touchpad on my iBook (the external  mouse is easier).   8 I've got to agree with the twist tie comment as well :-)  H > (I have to give credit for the EDT [gold] control A key definitions toD > whoever wrote the EDT init file template I found on a VAX 11/750 I > worked on in the 1980's.)  >   H IIRC that had short word delimiters defined, also driving me nuts. It's ? still there BTW, but someone had the sense to distribute it as  B EDTINI.TEMPLATE, so needs to be deliberately renamed to enable it.  5 Here's the word and sentence delimiter stuff from it:   ' ! Define delimiters for the word entity & SET ENTITY WORD '  .,?!;:[]()<>*-+=/\'+ ! Define delimiters for the sentence entity  SET ENTITY SENTENCE '. ?!'$ ! Suppress line numbers in line mode
 SET NONUMBERS 3 ! Wrap full words to the next line at 75 characters  SET WRAP 75  !   G Ugh! I'd forgotten about that SET WRAP 75. OK for creating text files,  $ definitely hostile for editing code.     <snip>   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 06:41:03 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404050541.60b09b5c@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40704164.37CDDB5E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > >  > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<406E3B28.C0FBDF05@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > > > [snip]N > > > Depends. Remember: ON WARNING will trap all errors. ON ERROR will trap EJ > > > and F severity, but there may already be an ON WARNING in effect. ONL > > > SEVERE_ERROR will trap only F severity, but ON WARNING or ON ERROR may > > > alreadyt be in effect. > > H > > But each invocation of the ON command becomes the new ON. The old ONC > > is no more. IOW, each new ON command supersedes the previous ON  > > command. >  > Oooohhhh... Careful there! >  > $ ON WARNING THEN EXIT 0 > $ ON ERROR THEN EXIT 2 > $ ON SEVERE THEN EXIT 4  > H > ...is entirely valid and will result in the exit status shown for eachJ > severity. See the doc.'s. Each ON resets only that condition OR GREATER! > That is:   > * > o WARNING resets ERROR and SEVERE_ERROR.9 > o ERROR resets ERROR and SEVERE_ERROR, but not WARNING. ? > o SEVERE_ERROR resets SEVERE_ERROR, but not ERROR or WARNING.   
 Let's try it:    DCL> @SUPERSEDE  $ ON WARNING THEN SHOW TIME  $ DIR ASDFASDFASDFASDF.ASDF ! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found     5-APR-2004 13:37:59 $ ON WARNING THEN SHOW TIME % $ ON SEVERE_ERROR THEN SHOW MEM/FILES  $ DIR ASDFASDFASDFASDF.ASDF ! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found  $ EXIT DCL>  < Then why doesn't the second DIR command produce a SHOW TIME?   > 	 > > [...] N > > > > 5) don't forget that when using "call", your error handling is back to > > > > default. > > > H > > > CALL is closely akin to "@": new depth, new ON, symbol scope, etc. > > E > > I think they are pretty much identical if you assume that all the I > > lines between SUBROUTINE and ENDSUBROUTINE constitute a separate file B > > and the CALL is just acting as an "@" executing that file. Any1 > > counterexample, if there are any, is welcome.  > & > That is indeed a good paradigm, IMO.  
 Thank you.   [...]    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 06:59:40 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404050559.6d3d6842@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40703EFB.84D59F67@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > >  > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<406E3E9C.63D50EFE@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > > > [snip]7 > > > Probably because you also "over-indent". Compare:  > > I > > No, I also like the underscore when the label appears in a command. I ; > > tried that once for variables but found it too tedious.  > >  > > > $_label: > > > $    IF (BLAH.EQS.BLEH)  > > > $    THEN $ > > > $        exciting loop command$ > > > $        exciting loop command$ > > > $        exciting loop command > > > $    ENDIF > > >  > > > ...to... > > > 
 > > > $label:  > > > $ IF  (BLAH.EQS.BLEH)  > > > $ THEN! > > > $     exciting loop command ! > > > $     exciting loop command ! > > > $     exciting loop command 
 > > > $ ENDIF  > > > N > > > Nearly identical visual effect, fewer bytes (TABs instead of spaces) andN > > > things line up at TAB stops making editing much less keyboard-intensive. > > > > > As read on Google, there was no indenting in your example. > F > Be careful about comparing an HTML rendition to a "normal" characterD > cell display. View the page source or "original format" for a more > accurate representation. >  > > In this H > > window in which I am responding, there is indenting. Just shows thatI > > you suffer from TAB-character disease and we can see here some of its  > > ill effects. > I > If the tab stops are off, reset them to the default of every 8 columns. I > Some ill-behaved programs  - or displaying binary stuff to the screen -  > tend to goof up the display. > = > > Apparently Google doesn't like TAB characters and removes 	 > > them,  > J > Well, no - remember how HTML works. Unless text is enclosed within <pre>H > and </pre>, the rendition will range from inaccurate to unpredictable. > D > > except in this reponse window! Whatever. ... OK, I checked it inJ > > the preview window and the tabs are still there. But they are not whenD > > I click "Read the rest of this message" to see all of your post. >  > Say, "HTML". >  > > I J > > think TAB's would be better if they inserted the appropriate number ofG > > spaces for each use than an actual tab character, at least for text  > > like this. >  > Say, "MS-DOS Editor".  > > > > And I wonder if the tabs will somehow reappear when I post- > > this. Only a few hours of time will tell!   F All this fuss because you used the tab key instead of spaces. You postE the loop saying your indentation is better yet we see no indentation. B You explain about HTML and such so you apparently already know theD tabs will get lost. Now I'm supposed to do backflips and summersalts. just to check if maybe you have tabs in there?  D This is exactly the problem with using tab characters: the displayedF result is device dependent. Please don't post code that contains tabs,; esp. if you are trying to make a point about indentation!!!   A Here is a good use for EVE. Before you post any more tabbed code, A please run it thru EVE and run the command CONVERT TABS. It works  great!   > > * > > My way makes it easier to find labels. > J > ...as long as "$_" is consistent, yes: FIND for "$_" will locate labels. > Then again, given: >  > $ GOTO label_1 > 	. > 	. > 	. > $ GOTO other_label_1 > G > ..., FIND for "$label_1:" will distinguish it from the other form, as E > long as "$label_name:" is used consitently. Matter of preference...  > ! > > I like the whitespace between  > > the commands and the $'s.  > I > Lotta folks do, it seems. Not sure why - bloody pain in the ass to have , > to waste time counting spaces like that...  0 Like I said: one man's pain is another's ho hum.  . > > As for keyboard intensive; for me, anyway;6 > > the problem is going for the "computer-only" keys. > H > I've yet to see a computer keyboard - from a teletype to a 3270 - that@ > didn't have a TAB key, or a typewriter either for that matter.  ? What does this have to do with anything? OK. I find that typing E letters and spaces is the easiest part of typing. Shifting, Ctrl, Tab * are not as easy. The other keys are worse.   >  > > A few hits >  > Per line??!!  B Yeah, I know, it sounds amazing, but that's what I do. Holding theF thumbs in hover position for long periods of time is bad for them. Try1 holding your arm up in the air for a few minutes.    > 
 > > on theH > > space bar are no big deal for me. In fact it gives my thumbs a breakC > > from hovering, which I find more straining. It's the "difficult G > > typing" I seek to avoid. And the labels are too "cramped" your way.  > 
 > Depends. > G > > Well, to each his own. Diff'rent strokes,.... Readability is in the  > > eyes >  > (lenses, cornea, retina, ...)  >  > > of the reader. > > ( > > > > And unnecessary parentheses make) > > > > IF THEN statements more readable.  > > > J > > > Well, yes and no. Which paren.'s in the following would you consider > > > "unnecessary"? > > > / > > > $ IF  ((BLAH .AND. %X7FFFFFFF) .EQ. BLEH)  > > > - > > > $ IF  (BLAH .AND. %X7FFFFFFF) .EQ. BLEH  > > > K > > > Hint: Putting spaces around your operators increases readability more " > > > than "unnecessary" paren.'s. > > ' > > Well, they're all unnecessary here,  >  > Are they?   . Yes, in this example they are all unnecessary.  = > Check DCL's order of precedence for operators. You may find < > yourself coding one thing and getting another if you don't > "parenthesize" properly.    > No, because I know the precedence and use parens accordingly.   0 > "Outer" paren.'s tend to be superfluous, while& > "inner" paren.'s are more sensitive.  $ > > but I like the first one better.F > > I'd like it even more if there were no spaces around the .AND. and3 > > .EQ. operators. It's eaiser on my eye that way.  > D > How so? Seems harder to distinguish between symbols and operators,E > especially after working in other languages where dots are valid in 0 > variable names and/or other language elements.  & Good point. However: One man's pain...   > > More information andI > > less scanning. I guess my eyes don't like horizontal scanning as much I > > as yours do. And you can get more on a line without extra spaces. The I > > periods provide enough "whitespace" for me. In the second version the J > > BLEH looks like it's kind of on its own -- not really part of the main* > > command. Just my view of it, mind you. > G > Also, other language processors may require spaces or TABs to delimit % > statement elements. I'm pretty sure  >  > $ IF XORY  > I > would not be valid BASIC syntax, unless the symbol "XORY" were actually 4 > valid and expected to be treated as a truth value.  @ We're talking about DCL here. Not every language under the sun.   B > It's easier for me to remember how operator names differ betweenF > languages and observe standard rules for element delimiters (spaces,D > TABs, etc). than to change delimiters depending upon the language. > J > > I also like the first one better because the outer parens clearly showE > > that their contents comprise a single entity on the command line.  > > . > > OTOH, I might write it like the following: > > 1 > >     $ IF  ( (BLAH.AND.%X7FFFFFFF) .EQ. BLEH )  > > D > > Just personal preference; I wouldn't have an apostrophe over it. > D > Apostrophe? Don't see one in any of the examples. What did I miss?  @ The joke, obviously. Don't look to deep, that's your only clue.   > > > Beware apostrophe disease! Its catching it's own self! '-) > # > Actually I use "&" where I can...    I know, but I don't know why.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 11:59:39 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 6 Message-ID: <40703EFB.84D59F67@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<406E3E9C.63D50EFE@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...
 > > [snip]5 > > Probably because you also "over-indent". Compare:  > G > No, I also like the underscore when the label appears in a command. I 9 > tried that once for variables but found it too tedious.  >  > > $_label: > > $    IF (BLAH.EQS.BLEH) 
 > > $    THEN " > > $        exciting loop command" > > $        exciting loop command" > > $        exciting loop command > > $    ENDIF > >  > > ...to... > >  > > $label:  > > $ IF  (BLAH.EQS.BLEH) 
 > > $ THEN > > $     exciting loop command  > > $     exciting loop command  > > $     exciting loop command  > > $ ENDIF  > > L > > Nearly identical visual effect, fewer bytes (TABs instead of spaces) andL > > things line up at TAB stops making editing much less keyboard-intensive. > < > As read on Google, there was no indenting in your example.  D Be careful about comparing an HTML rendition to a "normal" characterB cell display. View the page source or "original format" for a more accurate representation.  	 > In this F > window in which I am responding, there is indenting. Just shows thatG > you suffer from TAB-character disease and we can see here some of its  > ill effects.  G If the tab stops are off, reset them to the default of every 8 columns. G Some ill-behaved programs  - or displaying binary stuff to the screen -  tend to goof up the display.  ; > Apparently Google doesn't like TAB characters and removes  > them,   H Well, no - remember how HTML works. Unless text is enclosed within <pre>F and </pre>, the rendition will range from inaccurate to unpredictable.  B > except in this reponse window! Whatever. ... OK, I checked it inH > the preview window and the tabs are still there. But they are not whenB > I click "Read the rest of this message" to see all of your post.   Say, "HTML".   > I H > think TAB's would be better if they inserted the appropriate number ofE > spaces for each use than an actual tab character, at least for text  > like this.   Say, "MS-DOS Editor".   < > And I wonder if the tabs will somehow reappear when I post+ > this. Only a few hours of time will tell!  > ( > My way makes it easier to find labels.  H ...as long as "$_" is consistent, yes: FIND for "$_" will locate labels. Then again, given:   $ GOTO label_1 	. 	. 	. $ GOTO other_label_1  E ..., FIND for "$label_1:" will distinguish it from the other form, as C long as "$label_name:" is used consitently. Matter of preference...    > I like the whitespace between  > the commands and the $'s.   G Lotta folks do, it seems. Not sure why - bloody pain in the ass to have * to waste time counting spaces like that...  , > As for keyboard intensive; for me, anyway;4 > the problem is going for the "computer-only" keys.  F I've yet to see a computer keyboard - from a teletype to a 3270 - that> didn't have a TAB key, or a typewriter either for that matter.   > A few hits   Per line??!!   > on theF > space bar are no big deal for me. In fact it gives my thumbs a breakA > from hovering, which I find more straining. It's the "difficult E > typing" I seek to avoid. And the labels are too "cramped" your way.    Depends.  E > Well, to each his own. Diff'rent strokes,.... Readability is in the  > eyes   (lenses, cornea, retina, ...)    > of the reader. > & > > > And unnecessary parentheses make' > > > IF THEN statements more readable.  > > H > > Well, yes and no. Which paren.'s in the following would you consider > > "unnecessary"? > > - > > $ IF  ((BLAH .AND. %X7FFFFFFF) .EQ. BLEH)  > > + > > $ IF  (BLAH .AND. %X7FFFFFFF) .EQ. BLEH  > > I > > Hint: Putting spaces around your operators increases readability more   > > than "unnecessary" paren.'s. > % > Well, they're all unnecessary here,   E Are they? Check DCL's order of precedence for operators. You may find : yourself coding one thing and getting another if you don'tG "parenthesize" properly. "Outer" paren.'s tend to be superfluous, while $ "inner" paren.'s are more sensitive.  " > but I like the first one better.D > I'd like it even more if there were no spaces around the .AND. and1 > .EQ. operators. It's eaiser on my eye that way.   B How so? Seems harder to distinguish between symbols and operators,C especially after working in other languages where dots are valid in . variable names and/or other language elements.   > More information andG > less scanning. I guess my eyes don't like horizontal scanning as much G > as yours do. And you can get more on a line without extra spaces. The G > periods provide enough "whitespace" for me. In the second version the H > BLEH looks like it's kind of on its own -- not really part of the main( > command. Just my view of it, mind you.  E Also, other language processors may require spaces or TABs to delimit # statement elements. I'm pretty sure   	 $ IF XORY   G would not be valid BASIC syntax, unless the symbol "XORY" were actually 2 valid and expected to be treated as a truth value.  @ It's easier for me to remember how operator names differ betweenD languages and observe standard rules for element delimiters (spaces,B TABs, etc). than to change delimiters depending upon the language.  H > I also like the first one better because the outer parens clearly showC > that their contents comprise a single entity on the command line.  > , > OTOH, I might write it like the following: > / >     $ IF  ( (BLAH.AND.%X7FFFFFFF) .EQ. BLEH )  > B > Just personal preference; I wouldn't have an apostrophe over it.  B Apostrophe? Don't see one in any of the examples. What did I miss?  < > Beware apostrophe disease! Its catching it's own self! '-)  ! Actually I use "&" where I can...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 12:09:56 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 6 Message-ID: <40704164.37CDDB5E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<406E3B28.C0FBDF05@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...
 > > [snip]L > > Depends. Remember: ON WARNING will trap all errors. ON ERROR will trap EH > > and F severity, but there may already be an ON WARNING in effect. ONJ > > SEVERE_ERROR will trap only F severity, but ON WARNING or ON ERROR may > > alreadyt be in effect. > F > But each invocation of the ON command becomes the new ON. The old ONA > is no more. IOW, each new ON command supersedes the previous ON 
 > command.   Oooohhhh... Careful there!   $ ON WARNING THEN EXIT 0 $ ON ERROR THEN EXIT 2 $ ON SEVERE THEN EXIT 4   F ...is entirely valid and will result in the exit status shown for eachH severity. See the doc.'s. Each ON resets only that condition OR GREATER!	 That is:    ( o WARNING resets ERROR and SEVERE_ERROR.7 o ERROR resets ERROR and SEVERE_ERROR, but not WARNING. = o SEVERE_ERROR resets SEVERE_ERROR, but not ERROR or WARNING.    > [...] L > > > 5) don't forget that when using "call", your error handling is back to > > > default. > > F > > CALL is closely akin to "@": new depth, new ON, symbol scope, etc. > C > I think they are pretty much identical if you assume that all the G > lines between SUBROUTINE and ENDSUBROUTINE constitute a separate file @ > and the CALL is just acting as an "@" executing that file. Any/ > counterexample, if there are any, is welcome.   $ That is indeed a good paradigm, IMO.   > [...] I > > > 8) if you are looking for things, check at the end if you found it. L > > > E.g. when parsing the output of show memory (because output is version8 > > > specific and can change when you install a patch). > > K > > Actually, conventional wisdom is don't parse command output because VMS I > > upgrades can break your code. Use Lexicals where possible, and Google J > > for undocumented keywords (then document them in your comments in your > > proc.).  > D > Say what? Undocumented keywords? Certainly not in production code!  B Sometimes, you gotta step outside the lines to catch the strays...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 12:13:51 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>( Subject: Re: HP Product Bulletin on-line6 Message-ID: <4070424F.5D959BDF@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Alex Daniels wrote:  > [snip]M > I have gone back to my account manager who has now just ignored my enquiry. L > The level of service I'm getting on their 'mission critical' contract with% > this and other things is very poor.   G I have found both Sue Skonetski and Mark Gorham very responsive to such  observations...    FWIW...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 11:46:53 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: Live chat with HP on DECnet Plus...3 Message-ID: <CVu21CRkLFSs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <c4rqbi$1das$1@biggoron.nerim.net>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:   M > Comment: The operatoress figured out by herself that DECnet was an OpenVMS   > product. Not so bad.  D    And RSX-11M, RSTS, TOPS-10, TOPS-20, MS-DOS, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX,F    Tru64, ..., many but not all of which are via third party products.  6    What if I needed help on DECnet on my Tru64 system?   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 05:30:14 -0700 1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) ! Subject: Re: Loss of a VMS legend = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0404050430.574c69f4@posting.google.com>   ; That was him and he was my dear friend this is a huge loss.    sue     [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<4070CE64.D7889ADD@istop.com>... $ > Sue, you mentioned a "VMS" legend. > H > Years ago, I remember seing a compilation of state-of-the-art computerH > animations. (sometime after 1988). There was a video animation of someG > frankenstein castle. It was by a John Wisniewski of Digital Equipment  > Corporation.   > K > I assume it was the same guy ?  It would seem he was more than just a VMS ( > legend if that was also his handywork. > I > I had only heard good things about him, even though I had never had any  > contact with him.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:26:32 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)! Subject: Re: Loss of a VMS legend 1 Message-ID: <04040511263243@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   = > I am sorry to say that today April 4th John Wisnewski died.  >  > sue   I Over the years I have had the opportunity and pleasure to work with John.   . He had a positive kick-a** attitude about VMS.  C He was always willing and able to help out on the VMS issues I had.   M He even took the time to come to a couple of my parties (okay, so he drank my  beer!)  E My condolences to his family, friends, co-workers, and fellow VMSers.   8 He truly was an inspiration for VMS.  He will be missed.       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:54:13 -0600( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>! Subject: Re: Loss of a VMS legend / Message-ID: <00A2FE84.CBF62EF7.5@tachysoft.com>   2 >From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Loss of a VMS legend  >Date: 4 Apr 2004 19:23:34 -0700' >Organization: http://groups.google.com 	 >Lines: 3 > >Message-ID: <857e9e41.0404041823.3471bb80@posting.google.com>- >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1   >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bitP >X-Trace: posting.google.com 1081131815 6229 127.0.0.1 (5 Apr 2004 02:23:35 GMT)) >X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com 8 >NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 02:23:35 +0000 (UTC) >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET > < >I am sorry to say that today April 4th John Wisnewski died. >    Sue,  N For those of us that knew him, do you have the details?  Cause of death and so on?      He was a great guy.    Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 07:46:23 -0700 ' From: jbecker@ui.urban.org (Jim Becker) ! Subject: Re: Loss of a VMS legend < Message-ID: <c113b52c.0404050646.fdf8502@posting.google.com>  v susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message news:<857e9e41.0404041823.3471bb80@posting.google.com>...= > I am sorry to say that today April 4th John Wisnewski died.  >  > sue   " Sue, I am very sorry to hear that.  D I raise a glass to John's memory. He believed in his product, and he worked hard for the customer.    Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 09:34:52 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?: Message-ID: <c4r26t$2k0kqe$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Alan E. Feldman wrote:Y > Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<c4imqd$93q$3@biggoron.nerim.net>...  >  >>dittman@dittman.net wrote: >> >>F >>>I received the following from a friend at HP (the person's name has  >>>been removed to protect him): >>>VG >>>====================================================================aE >>>Apparently with Itanium not having the market share, HP is fallingu! >>>back on IBM's POWER and AMD64:  >> >>Let's learn a bit of French: >> >>What is "poisson d'avril" ?  >> >>:-)  >> o >>:M >>:e >>:e >>:s >>:  >>:e >>:  >>:p >>:  >>:O >>:  >>:  >>:M >>:  >>:! >>:e >>:n >>:o >>:E >>:  >>:p >>:  >>:O >>:  >>:  >>:M >> >>APRIL FOOL ! >>% >>You won a (swiss) chocolate egg :-)u >> >>D. >  > F > Now hold on just a minute. Simeon Denis Poisson is the originator ofA > the Poisson equation (from potential theory, in particular, thegF > Poisson equation in electromagnetic theory relates the electrostaticD > potential with the charge density) and the Poisson distribution in > probability theory.e >  > So his last name is Fool?L >  > Please explain.e  I Poisson is French for fish, so Poisson d'Avril means April Fish. A quick n6 and dirty translation from a French site reveals this:  I Why not "April elephants" instead of "April fishes"? This is because the -H beginning of April corresponds at the end of Lent for Christians.  Lent I is an abstinence period during which one does not eat any meat.  Meat is   often replaced by fish.>  A Typical French :-) They bring food into all sorts of phrases and nD sayings. IIRC "reinventing the wheel" comes out as "reinventing the ( butter cutting wire", by way of example.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 09:40:09 +0200t* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?: Message-ID: <c4r2gp$2kuoiu$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:i >  >> glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:: >  > + >>  > It took me a few tries to get VAX/VMSi >  > C >>> to recognize its own PAK.  I don't know which items I got wrong 0 >>> the first few times, but finally it took it. >  > J >> That's the reason I put the LICENSE commands into a command procedure. A >> I know I'm likely to make an error entering the details using C0 >> SYS$UPDATE:VMSLICENSE.COM, so I don't use it. >  > > > I will do the rest that way.  I suppose I could have done it? > for VMS, too, but near the end of the install it asks for theD> > PAK values.  The names in the prompts are slightly different3 > than in the PAK, though I thought I had it right.  > 	 > -- glen0 > G Here's a template I've taken from the Hobbyist layered licenses to get b you started:  1 $ LICENSE REGISTER X500-DIRECTORY-SERVER        -r"          /ACTIVITY=CONSTANT=100  --          /AUTHORIZATION=authorization       -3"          /DATE=11-AUG-2004       -          /ISSUER=DECUS   -          /PRODUCER=DEC   -*          /TERMINATION=11-AUG-2004        -          /UNITS=0        -          /CHECKSUM=checksume $g   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 07:49:43 GMTn0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?/ Message-ID: <rc8cc.184599$1p.2178937@attbi_s54>t   Paul Sture wrote:i  	 (I wrote)   2 >> The names in the prompts are slightly different4 >> than in the PAK, though I thought I had it right.  I > Here's a template I've taken from the Hobbyist layered licenses to get n > you started: > 3 > $ LICENSE REGISTER X500-DIRECTORY-SERVER        -k# >         /ACTIVITY=CONSTANT=100  -t. >         /AUTHORIZATION=authorization       -# >         /DATE=11-AUG-2004       -/ >         /ISSUER=DECUS   -  >         /PRODUCER=DEC   --+ >         /TERMINATION=11-AUG-2004        -8 >         /UNITS=0        -  >         /CHECKSUM=checksum  8 I believe the prompt for the one called DATE is slightly1 different, which fooled me at least once.   Therec might have been others, too.   -- glenS   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:29:42 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?: Message-ID: <c4r5dn$2l1a40$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:' >  > (I wrote)t > 3 >>> The names in the prompts are slightly different-5 >>> than in the PAK, though I thought I had it right.  >  > J >> Here's a template I've taken from the Hobbyist layered licenses to get  >> you started:C >>4 >> $ LICENSE REGISTER X500-DIRECTORY-SERVER        -$ >>         /ACTIVITY=CONSTANT=100  -/ >>         /AUTHORIZATION=authorization       -o$ >>         /DATE=11-AUG-2004       - >>         /ISSUER=DECUS   - >>         /PRODUCER=DEC   -, >>         /TERMINATION=11-AUG-2004        - >>         /UNITS=0        - >>         /CHECKSUM=checksuml >  > : > I believe the prompt for the one called DATE is slightly3 > different, which fooled me at least once.   Thered > might have been others, too. >   B Well spotted. That rings a bell from when the LICENSE utility was B introduced. /DATE isn't in the help, so I guess it's been retired.  I Here's a cross reference of the VMSLICENSE.COM prompts to the qualifiers e$ documented in HELP LICENSE REGISTER.  *    License Database File:        /DATABASE(                   Issuer:        /ISSUER/     Authorization Number:        /AUTHORIZATIONa@             Product Name:        $ LICENCE REGISTER product-name*                 Producer:        /PRODUCER'          Number of Units:        /UNITS )                  Version:        /VERSIONe.     Product Release Date:        /RELEASE_DATE2     Key Termination Date:        /TERMINATION_DATE- Availability Table Code:        /AVAILABILITY *      Activity Table Code:        /ACTIVITY)              Key Options:        /OPTIONSm'            Product Token:        /TOKEN -              Hardware-Id:        /HARDWARE_IDi*                 Checksum:        /CHECKSUM   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:53:39 +0200I* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?: Message-ID: <c4r6qj$2lt3n6$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:R > Paul Sture wrote:  > B >>Typical French :-) They bring food into all sorts of phrases andE >>sayings. IIRC "reinventing the wheel" comes out as "reinventing them* >>butter cutting wire", by way of example. >  > O > Hey, don't blast the french. Without good food and good beverages, human lifeeJ > would not be possible on this planet. The french bring two of these more1 > essential items (especially the red beverages).a >   B Hey I'm certainly not blasting the French. The good food and good H beverages are much appreciated, and France is not far away from where I  am :-)  N > What is interesting about "Poisson d'Avril" is that it isn't as obvious thatL > it is some sort of a joke, whereas "April's Fools" does indicate something > funny is going on.  L True. One of those things you have to learn rather than translate literally.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:53:13 -0400* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>  Subject: RE: OpenVMS for POWER!?' Message-ID: <01341BAA.C22236@yahoo.com>e   Alan E. Feldman wrote:  F > Now hold on just a minute. Simeon Denis Poisson is the originator ofA > the Poisson equation (from potential theory, in particular, theuF > Poisson equation in electromagnetic theory relates the electrostaticD > potential with the charge density) and the Poisson distribution in > probability theory.  >  > So his last name is Fool?e  ! Actually, "poisson" means "fish".e -- t
 Brian Tillmane   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 19:25:32 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>- Subject: Re: OT - Outsourced customer serviceu- Message-ID: <c4pgel$2bvq$1@news.cybercity.dk>.   JF Mezei wrote:  > "Dr. Dweeb" wrote:G >> Upon reflection, I should be thankful that I live in a country wheredC >> the language spoken is a guarantee that customer service is, andi$ >> always will be, locally provided. >t > Don't bet your life on it. >uC > My cell phone, made by Siemens, an international company, doesn'tWC > provide suppor for me in french. Not only that, but theur supporttD > comes from the location in the USA where they have a strong accentE > and have absolutely no idea that francophones might be calling themEE > or worse, that many english people actually say ZED instead of ZEE.a >gF > This is especially painful since everytime you call, they ask you 20G > questions about yourself, address, etc, and when all that ifnormationmF > must be spelled by letter because they are french names, it is quite
 > painful. >bG > I think next time, I will just spend the money to call Siemens in thed! > UK or in France to get support.>   Oh.  Not good :-(s   Dweeb.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:24:03 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>6 Subject: Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon: Message-ID: <c4rc44$1srp39$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Dr. Dweeb wrote: > Folks, > H > The Dweeb has purchased some books at Amazon.co.uk, and since I am VATI > registered, I should not have to pay VAT on these professional volumes.  >  > $ SET VENT/ITEM=SPLEEN/ON  > L > The story thus far is that I have had three boilerplate cut & paste emailsL > back, each promising to get it right (one prior to shipping & billing, oneI > prior to billing, one after shipping) and without any noticable effect.NL > Amazon owe me the VAT that they have incorrectly debited my VISA card, and > the Dweeb is getting irate.l > : > So, to the following 3 people at amazon customer support >  > Achint Kishore > Saurabh Sehgal
 > Sankhya Dey  > M > in whatever 3rd world country in which you happen to reside, a big rasberryRL > to you.  Two of you have failed miserably, while the 3rd (you know who you2 > are) has the unique opportunity to get it right. >  > $ SET VENT/OFF >  > Dr, Dweeb  >  >   & Here's another wrinkle on outsourcing.  ) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3593885.stmN  ! Fear over India call centre fraud_   ...HI "US credit card giant Capital One pulled out of India after unauthorised e+ credit levels were offered by call centres.e  F Criminals have also tried to get hold of data, according to reports. "   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 07:00:56 -0700 2 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)' Subject: Re: OT: fingerprint processing.= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0404050600.62073845@posting.google.com>e  Y "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<40701e19$1_2@corp.newsgroups.com>... 9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message.% > news:406F80DE.A905A3DF@istop.com...a > > Chuck Chopp wrote:M > > > years now.  With Novell Modular Authentication Services, it is entirely-M > > > possible to eliminate regular username/password authentication in favorm >  ofE > > > biometric authentication.n > >nN > > The minute a foreign govcernment with inadequate (or missing) data privacyJ > > laws has a copy of your biometric information, you should not use suchJ > > information for authentication for any other services.  An immigrationN > > requiring your fingerprint, retina scan or DNA is tantamount to asking you >  for > > your ATM card PIN number.l > >kL > > They are even talking about requiring RFID technology in passports which >  wouldM > > contain your biometric information. That means that crooks will just have  >  tohI > > stand by international arrivals and remotely scan passports of people  >  existingA? > > from the customs hall and gain their biometric information.a > > G > > Lets say you require fingerprint authentication to launch a nuclear  >  missile.DH > > Do you really think that a general whose fingerprints can be used to	 >  launch E > > such a missile would agree to have his fingerprints taken by some  >  immigration! > > official of another country ?  > >IM > > At a police station, they can rub your fingers with alchool to ensure yousJ > > don't have any film glued on. But at an airport processing hundreds of	 >  peoplevF > > per hour (of not in the thousands), they won't have time to ensure
 >  passengersf' > > don't have "false prints" glued on.  > >aG > > If a market develops to help people protect their identity, it willo
 >  invalidateuI > > fingerprinting as a way to identify users for computing because false,	 >  printsnJ > > will widely become available. And there will be a market for people to> > > "donate" their prints to be used to make the false prints. > M > The only problem with that is you'd never know whether the 'prints' you buyr > are 'cleaner' than your own. >      <snip>   Case in point:  ? I remember hearing news stories about a guy who, because he wastA worried about DWIs on his driving record causing problems when herE tried to get a driver's license, decided to steal the identity of onei of his neighbors.u  E It turns out that the neighbor whose identity he chose to steal was a.D registered sex offender in another state who had not registered when
 he relocated.   C The identity thief ended up getting arrested for disorderly conduct C and, because every piece of ID on him said he was the other guy, heb; had one heck of a time proving who he WASN'T to the police.f   One place this got posted wasa5 http://www.arstechnica.com/news/posts/1066321158.html"+ if you want to read the story for yourself.    WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:07:20 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>p' Subject: Re: OT: fingerprint processingn& Message-ID: <406FFA78.71DB159@aaa.com>  9 Actualy, there was a report just the other day in Sweden,dC about some people seeking asylum in Sweden that tries to burn theresA finger prints away by heeting a ordinaly kitchen range until it'si: hot red and then just put all fingers on at the same time.  < The "problem" beeing that if you've been rejectied by one EUA country (where your finger prints was taken), you'd be identifiedn. by other EU countries by your finger prints...  	 Jan-Erik.t     Chuck Chopp wrote:  M > I'm wondering if we're going to see a market for fake finger-prints now.  IwL > can just imagine the hordes of spam email messages I'll get now about "LeeL > Press-On Finger Prints" and how you can get them at low prices and protect. > your privacy when traveling internationally.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2004 10:03:35 -0700,. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)' Subject: Re: OT: fingerprint processingi= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404040903.1250d964@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<406F80DE.A905A3DF@istop.com>...n > Chuck Chopp wrote:K > > years now.  With Novell Modular Authentication Services, it is entirely N > > possible to eliminate regular username/password authentication in favor of > > biometric authentication.p > L > The minute a foreign govcernment with inadequate (or missing) data privacyH > laws has a copy of your biometric information, you should not use suchH > information for authentication for any other services.  An immigrationP > requiring your fingerprint, retina scan or DNA is tantamount to asking you for > your ATM card PIN number.  > P > They are even talking about requiring RFID technology in passports which wouldN > contain your biometric information. That means that crooks will just have toP > stand by international arrivals and remotely scan passports of people existing= > from the customs hall and gain their biometric information.I > N > Lets say you require fingerprint authentication to launch a nuclear missile.M > Do you really think that a general whose fingerprints can be used to launch.O > such a missile would agree to have his fingerprints taken by some immigrationr > official of another country ?e > K > At a police station, they can rub your fingers with alchool to ensure yourO > don't have any film glued on. But at an airport processing hundreds of peoplelO > per hour (of not in the thousands), they won't have time to ensure passengers)% > don't have "false prints" glued on.  > P > If a market develops to help people protect their identity, it will invalidateN > fingerprinting as a way to identify users for computing because false printsH > will widely become available. And there will be a market for people to< > "donate" their prints to be used to make the false prints. >  > H > > The actual biometric scanner hardware itself does most of the numberO > > crunching and simply delivers a blob of data to the computer to which it is 
 > > attached,r > K > Thanks. I thought it was just a raster image being fed. But if the deviceaN > already feeds vectorized output, it does make it easier. Are there standardsJ > on how that information is encoded or does it vary from device/system to
 > system ? > M > > manipulated.  Actual comparison of the finger print data can be performedr > > very quickly.y > E > But how would it be indexed ? Is the whole print considered a key ?s > M > Does this mean that if a criminal was originally scanned at 22 points, a 11o) > point scan at airport would not match ?e    I Why waste time with fingerprint or eye scanning ? I prefer the DNA tests.n   Regardsn   FC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:09:18 -0400* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: Parsing Compaq BASIC ".MAP" files3 Message-ID: <Lmgcc.2236$Xy3.8388@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>    Hi  @ Those are generally written by hand, no produced "mechanically".K I say generally because I do have a procedure to convert from datatrieve tol7 .MAP, but unfortunately nothing that has .MAP as input.e  K So of course you can write something to parse them, the Basic compiler doesnJ just that. But it may require more lines of code because the format is notK fixed. Required keywords must always be used so it should not be very hard.aK Just look up the words. The syntax of a MAP is easy enough. If it's definedt% more than once, then it's a REDEFINE.   L Something else you could do is produce a simple basic program for each, thenJ do a BASIC/LIST on it.This will produce a neat list of every object in theE MAP. You may have to use other qualifiers to get what you want in the.- listing, I haven't done this for a long time.r   HTHr   -- e Syltremn   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---,> "Jim Jennis" <jhjennis@shentel.net> a crit dans le message de* news:1072tgsr0g43v68@corp.supernews.com... > Hi VMS Colleagues, > E > I am working with a customer who has a large number of applicationsa written0E > in VAX Basic that he wishes to port to another platform. The recordOG > definitions for the RMS data files are defined in a series of  ".map"7 files.I > I am familiar with COBOL programs that use copybooks and other programs  thatL > use CDD record definitions, however I am not familiar with ".MAP" files inG > VAX Basic. I am wondering if these files have a standard format (likesC > copybooks or CDD record definitions) or are they very application 	 specific?pI > The objective is to write a parser to handle conversion of these files.d >s  > TIA for any advice/references! >A
 > Regards, > # > Jim Jennis, Integration Architecto > WRQ Consulting Services, Inc.  > 124 Old Forest Circle  > Winchester, VA. 22602 USA. >E > Phone: +1-540-723-0157 > FAX: +1-206-272-1394 > Email:jimj@wrq.com >       jhjennis@shentel.net > WEB: http://www.wrq.com/ >i0 > WRQ - Access. Integrate. Transform Since 19815 > ---------------------------------------------------e >  >e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:25:58 -0400* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>, Subject: RE: revoking  VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER' Message-ID: <01340DD8.C22236@yahoo.com>a   Peter Weaver wrote:t  * >>> revoke /id VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER james> >> %UAF-W-IDOUTRNG, identifier value is not within legal range > : > I have no problem on VMS 7.3-1, try giving us a SHOW /ID> > VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER and a SHOW /RIGHTS JAMES so we can see+ > how the identifier was setup and granted.    This is on an OpenVMS VAX V7.2:f  & UAF> g/i VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER tillman; %UAF-W-IDOUTRNG, identifier value is not within legal rangef  > I can't even grant it.  However, this is not surprizing, sinceH user-manipulated IDs must be at least %X[8]0010000.  It seems to me thatI V6.2 imposed this restriction, whereas prior to that it was there but not 	 enforced.i  ' This on an OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 system:   & UAF> g/i VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER tillmanD %UAF-I-GRANTMSG, identifier VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER granted to TILLMAN( UAF> rev/i VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER tillmanG %UAF-I-REVOKEMSG, identifier VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER revoked from TILLMAN   G So, there's obviously something is different, either because of the VMSe' version or because of the architecture.l -- c
 Brian Tillmana   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 14:16:04 +0000 (UTC)Q From: helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) % Subject: simple question on shadowingb$ Message-ID: <c4p5b4$sd6$1@online.de>  I What are the hard-and-fast rules which determine the circumstances under lI which a shadow copy or shadow merge is started?  I've heard of a cluster iF with a shadow set with members on two nodes where one node can reboot G without a copy or merge taking place---presumably because there was no hC activity on the disk during the reboot.  However, on my cluster, I bF sometimes see a merge on a shadow set even if I reboot a member which C does not have a direct connection to any of the members---it does, g+ however, have files open on the shadow set.t  E To avoid such merges, would it be a good idea to explicitly dismount vG such shadow sets in the site-specific shutdown procedure, if necessary eD shutting down all applications with open files on the shadow set in 	 question?h  D Once a merge has started, how much will disk activity slow down the H merge?  (In my case, however, the LAN speed is probably the bottleneck.)   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 18:08:01 +0000 (UTC)Q From: helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) ) Subject: Re: simple question on shadowingF$ Message-ID: <c4piu0$bso$1@online.de>  H In article <c4ph1t$sck$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:   K > Minimerge is cool.  Merges complete in seconds, not hours.  UnfortunatelyFG > there is nothing in the SCSI or fibrechannel spec to handle a DigitalcF > specific drive command.  I am not familiar with the newest minicopy/1 > write bitmap stuff in the most recent versions.C  @ It's supposed to arrive soon for HBVS (perhaps it already has). B However, I have my biggest shadow set on two VAX nodes, primarily F because I reboot the ALPHA more often (due to patch installation) and I thus can avoid a shadow copy if I do things correctly.  Or will there be m HBVS minimerge for VAX?e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:03:34 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>+ Subject: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?t> Message-ID: <W5Ybc.12630$w84.1103079@twister.southeast.rr.com>   Lets get Andrew fired up!  :)i   A Total Eclipse of the Sun?.A http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=04/04/03/8616166s   Kend   -- Kenneth Farmer  <><  OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.orgi   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 07:01:17 -0700 - From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)r. Subject: Re: Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0404050601.3731d152@posting.google.com>    > > >  > > > 47 for me :-(t > > >  > > > Dweeb. > > K > > 48 this year.  Still have copies of the old RSTS and VAX Professionals.Y > >  > > Regards,	 > > Dave.e >  > 51 !!e   Only 35 in Julyu   JMOD   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 12:41:29 -0500n@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>+ Subject: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTPt6 Message-ID: <407048C9.B158DB9D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  " This mostly for future Googlers...  	 Versions:e OpenVMS		V7.3, V7.3-1n Multinet	V4.4 Rev A-Xe  H After some research, including an old post claiming to be the definitiveC reference on the topic, I came up with this sequence of events thatlC worked very well for me on 4-Apr-2004. Use SYSMAN to propagate thisoB across a cluster by placing these commands in a DCL proc. that can) easily be invoked using SYSMAN's DO verb.u     1. Stop the XNTP_SERVER process  9 	Do this using STOP/ID - it is _NOT_ necessary to disablen" 	XNTP in MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER  -  2. Remove the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical name-  5 	It's DEFINEd/SYSTEM/EXEC by an image invoked during 0? 	SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM. The proc. expects the logical.  	name to not already be DEFINEd.  & 	$ DEASS/SYSTEM/EXEC SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE  /  3. Advance/retard the system clock by one hour   0 	$ IF	F$TRNLNM( "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" ) 	$ THEN> 	$	TIME_DELTA := -01:00:00 	$ ELSED 	$	TIME_DELTA := +01:00:00 	$ ENDIF 	$ SET TIME=&TIME_DELTAe  *  4. Invoke SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM  # 	$ @SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COMr  1 	Remember that #2 above is pre-requisite to this!E    5. Restart XNTP   	$ @MULTINET:START_SERVERG  6 	When doing this in a cluster, remember to submit this< 	command to batch and it does not work reliably from SYSMAN.  H Then, verify that the system clock and the associated SYS$*TIME* logical$ names are all correct and remain so.   It worked for me...0   -- E David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsI http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 04 08:14:10 PST  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comR/ Subject: Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTPb( Message-ID: <EM5FUYN9dcgf@cpva.saic.com>  6 In article <407048C9.B158DB9D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,C  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:o$ > This mostly for future Googlers... >  > Versions:: > OpenVMS		V7.3, V7.3-1l > Multinet	V4.4 Rev A-Xn > J > After some research, including an old post claiming to be the definitiveE > reference on the topic, I came up with this sequence of events thatiE > worked very well for me on 4-Apr-2004. Use SYSMAN to propagate thistD > across a cluster by placing these commands in a DCL proc. that can+ > easily be invoked using SYSMAN's DO verb.n > " >  1. Stop the XNTP_SERVER process > ; > 	Do this using STOP/ID - it is _NOT_ necessary to disable $ > 	XNTP in MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER   $ mult netc xntp shutdown.   > / >  2. Remove the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical namee > 7 > 	It's DEFINEd/SYSTEM/EXEC by an image invoked during eA > 	SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM. The proc. expects the logicaly" > 	name to not already be DEFINEd. > ( > 	$ DEASS/SYSTEM/EXEC SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE > 1 >  3. Advance/retard the system clock by one hour! > 2 > 	$ IF	F$TRNLNM( "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" )	 > 	$ THEN. > 	$	TIME_DELTA := -01:00:00	 > 	$ ELSEy > 	$	TIME_DELTA := +01:00:00
 > 	$ ENDIF > 	$ SET TIME=&TIME_DELTAP > , >  4. Invoke SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM > % > 	$ @SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM  > 3 > 	Remember that #2 above is pre-requisite to this!o >  >  5. Restart XNTP >  > 	$ @MULTINET:START_SERVERl   $ mult netc xntp start   > 8 > 	When doing this in a cluster, remember to submit this> > 	command to batch and it does not work reliably from SYSMAN. > J > Then, verify that the system clock and the associated SYS$*TIME* logical& > names are all correct and remain so. >  > It worked for me...  >    No special maneuvering, just...a  , o VMS 7.3+ time keeping correctly configured8   (tdf and timezone as evidenced by SYS$*TIME* logicals)% o system logical NET$DISABLE_DTSS = 1i& o SYSGEN parameter AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV = 1' o XNTP configured and maintaining clock-   It worked for me...a   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 10:53:33 -0700e' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) ? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitablee= Message-ID: <734da31c.0404050953.73cd9990@posting.google.com>n  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<406F01D8.15068B14@istop.com>...  > David Svensson wrote:SJ > > Some Alpha people have gone to many places, but 200-300 people and all; > > of the top designers of EV7 and EV8 have gone to Intel.i > L > Are they free to leave Intel or is there some slavery contract that CompaqC > forced them into that binds them to stay with Intel for X years ?1  B Ofcourse they are free, and if they are interested in advanced CPUA design there are not that many places to choose from, and I guessf< Intel can afford to give them very good salary and benefits.  N > Also, do you really think that the ex-Digits will be working on that itaniumL > totally different chip they have no experience on, or isn't it more likelyN > they'll be working on the 64 bit 8086 that they have plenty of experience on) > since much of it was "alpha inspired" ?.  B I think Pentium is very different than Alpha anyway, but it is not> easy to predict the future. Pete Bannon is leading the ItaniumB development right now (with Tukwila) and there are good reasons to# believe it will be a very good CPU.i  4 http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/bios/pbannon.htm, http://news.com.com/2100-1006_3-1023146.html  > Bannon is leading the system interface architecture for futureE Itaniums and since he was responsible for the EV7/8 I am certain thatc@ we will see something similar and most likely a few years better> design of those things, including on-die memory controller and processor interconnect.u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:55:22 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a9 Subject: [OT]: Franken-food   was Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?p. Message-ID: <40718f7f$1_2@corp.newsgroups.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagek# news:4070FFDB.6C272651@istop.com...  > Paul Sture wrote:oD > > Typical French :-) They bring food into all sorts of phrases andG > > sayings. IIRC "reinventing the wheel" comes out as "reinventing the , > > butter cutting wire", by way of example. >-J > Hey, don't blast the french. Without good food and good beverages, human life' > would not be possible on this planet.:  G [OT]: All the more reason to boycott 'Franken-food', a.k.a. Monsanto et % al.'s efforts to reduce biodiversity.         > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!l? -----==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.189 ************************ng: 8bitP >X-Trace: posting.google.com 1081131815 6229 127.0.0.1 (5 Apr 2004 02:23:35 GMT)) >X-ComplaiYJGXe,yEZAA`O#Pk&Wa'Oc>K RA
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