1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 06 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 191       Contents:3 COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI 7 Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI 7 RE: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI 7 Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI 7 RE: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI 7 Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI 7 Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI  Re: CXX 6.5-039 problem  Re: DCL Coding Standards RE: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards4 RE: Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400? Re: OpenVMS for POWER!? 7 OpenVMS Hobbyist Program - A Tribute to John Wisniewski 9 Re: OT - VAT in EU & Outsourced customer service - Amazon ' RE: Printer queues - pass control codes  Re: SIMH V3.2 released Re: SIMH V3.2 released Re: SIMH V3.2 released Re: SIMH V3.2 released  Re: simple question on shadowing& Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?. Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE - does't survive reboots2 tcp/ip NFS mounted drive problem after time change Re: VMS?, Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100, RE: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100, Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100, Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 00:25:22 -0700 $ From: martinren@hotmail.com (Martin)< Subject: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI= Message-ID: <ebc6d817.0404052325.3334a3fb@posting.google.com>    Hi,   B I'm on vms 7.3-1 and need to start testing external authenticationE from our alpha's with Active directory, probably using something like  ldap.   F I think my first hurdle is to create VMS usernames up to 32 charactersD long - using $setuai service. Its been a long time since I cut cobolC code (cobol is the only compiler we have) and was wondering is some F kind soul out there could throw me some code where they have done this before.    Thanx, Martin.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:50:52 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>@ Subject: Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI: Message-ID: <c4tuhs$2n00ri$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>  
 Martin wrote:  > Hi,  > D > I'm on vms 7.3-1 and need to start testing external authenticationG > from our alpha's with Active directory, probably using something like  > ldap.  > H > I think my first hurdle is to create VMS usernames up to 32 charactersF > long - using $setuai service. Its been a long time since I cut cobolE > code (cobol is the only compiler we have) and was wondering is some H > kind soul out there could throw me some code where they have done this	 > before.  >   I VMS usernames only allow up to 12 characters. From the help in AUTHORIZE:    ADD       Parameter        newusername  C         Specifies the name of the user record to be included in the @         SYSUAF. The newusername parameter is a string of 1 to 12E         alphanumeric characters and can contain underscores. Although H         dollar signs are permitted, they are usually reserved for system         names.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:31:06 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> @ Subject: RE: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAIR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C6EAA@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----0 > From: Martin [mailto:martinren@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: April 6, 2004 3:25 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI >=20 > Hi,  >=20D > I'm on vms 7.3-1 and need to start testing external authenticationG > from our alpha's with Active directory, probably using something like  > ldap.  >=20H > I think my first hurdle is to create VMS usernames up to 32 charactersF > long - using $setuai service. Its been a long time since I cut cobolE > code (cobol is the only compiler we have) and was wondering is some H > kind soul out there could throw me some code where they have done this	 > before.  >=20 > Thanx,	 > Martin.  >=20  
 Martin,=20  E As a suggestion, you would likely find it easier to use VMS V7.3-2 as C they have put some additional features in that release to deal with ' external authentication db's like LDAP.   
 Reference:   Online OpenVMS/COBOL Doc's: ( http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/cobol.html  ( ACME Overview (from V7.3-2 New Features)C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-rv8xa-te/aa-rv8xa-te.HTML E "An evaluation version of the LDAP ACME agent is included in the ACME B Agent SDK. The LDAP ACME agent allows users to log into an OpenVMSG system using authentication information held in an LDAP directory, thus < allowing common authentication across many OpenVMS systems."   OpenVMS Security home:/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/security.html    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 09:26:21 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) @ Subject: Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI3 Message-ID: <adavuuE$klO8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <ebc6d817.0404052325.3334a3fb@posting.google.com>, martinren@hotmail.com (Martin) writes: > Hi,  > D > I'm on vms 7.3-1 and need to start testing external authenticationG > from our alpha's with Active directory, probably using something like  > ldap.  > H > I think my first hurdle is to create VMS usernames up to 32 charactersF > long - using $setuai service. Its been a long time since I cut cobolE > code (cobol is the only compiler we have) and was wondering is some H > kind soul out there could throw me some code where they have done this	 > before.   . 1. SETUAI does not support creating usernames.  < 2. VMS does not support usernames longer than 12 characters.  = 3. Telling more about your real goal might produce more help.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:26:10 -0400* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>@ Subject: RE: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI' Message-ID: <01346E26.C22236@yahoo.com>   
 Martin wrote:   H > I think my first hurdle is to create VMS usernames up to 32 charactersF > long - using $setuai service. Its been a long time since I cut cobolE > code (cobol is the only compiler we have) and was wondering is some C > kind soul out there could throw me some code where they have done  > this before.    J While the UAF field for USERNAME is, in fact 32 characters, there are manyK places within the VMS code that allow for only 12 characters.  For example, L AUTHORIZE will not allow you to add a username larger that 12 characters.  IL do believe there are JIB fields that contain the username and only allow for 12 characters. --  
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 08:32:03 -0700 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)@ Subject: Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404060732.305f72db@posting.google.com>   u "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU> wrote in message news:<35D8223EB09405A888379C92651C2CB5@nntp>... 8 > SETUAI cannot be used to create VMS accounts in SYSUAF    E By the way, HP would donate "OpenVMS Management Tools for Windows" to ? PointSecure ! May be PointSecure can improve th User Management  interfaces.      Regards    FC   > Martin wrote:  >  > > Hi,  > > F > > I'm on vms 7.3-1 and need to start testing external authenticationI > > from our alpha's with Active directory, probably using something like 	 > > ldap.  > > J > > I think my first hurdle is to create VMS usernames up to 32 charactersH > > long - using $setuai service. Its been a long time since I cut cobolG > > code (cobol is the only compiler we have) and was wondering is some J > > kind soul out there could throw me some code where they have done this > > before.  > > 
 > > Thanx, > > Martin.  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:31:17 +0400 : From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>@ Subject: Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI3 Message-ID: <7A42A8826FDA842DE8B09A662555830C@nntp>    Fabio Cardoso wrote:  w > "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU> wrote in message news:<35D8223EB09405A888379C92651C2CB5@nntp>...  > 8 >>SETUAI cannot be used to create VMS accounts in SYSUAF >  >  > G > By the way, HP would donate "OpenVMS Management Tools for Windows" to A > PointSecure ! May be PointSecure can improve th User Management 
 > interfaces. $ 	Have a look to AUTHORIZE sources... >  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC   >  >>Martin wrote:  >> >> >>>Hi, >>> E >>>I'm on vms 7.3-1 and need to start testing external authentication H >>>from our alpha's with Active directory, probably using something like >>>ldap. >>> I >>>I think my first hurdle is to create VMS usernames up to 32 characters G >>>long - using $setuai service. Its been a long time since I cut cobol F >>>code (cobol is the only compiler we have) and was wondering is someI >>>kind soul out there could throw me some code where they have done this 
 >>>before. >>> 	 >>>Thanx, 
 >>>Martin. >>>  >  >    --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+C   RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.starlet.spb.ru/radiusvms/ @   TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 08:03:33 -0700 . From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)  Subject: Re: CXX 6.5-039 problem< Message-ID: <224291b.0404060703.23521cbf@posting.google.com>  j Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote in message news:<c4tmbv$n5l$1@bozon2.softax.pl>... > Bob Koehler wrote:i > > In article <c4s661$92a$1@bozon2.softax.pl>, Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> writes:  > > K > >>Many thanks. I call cxx$set_version.com before each cxx command and it   > >>works. But we L > >>did simple test. It looks like a bug. When I set CXX version and try to  > >>compile in subprocces  > >>error occurs.   F Command tables set in a process are not inherited by sub-processes. IfF setting the CXX version does a SET COMMAND then you need to do that in a sub-process.  F On my system I have to change the SDL version for some builds. The SETD COMMAND for that is done in the DESCRIP.MMS ".FIRST" section so that? it ends up in the sub-process used to execute the DCL commands.    Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:17:16 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards : Message-ID: <c4u03d$2ndddh$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Charlie Hammond wrote:G >>>6) don't use "goto depending on" (cobol guys know what I am saying).  >>G >>Do you mean not to use something like $ GOTO _'F$MODE()' !?  Why not?  >  > / > So far as I know, there is nothing wrong with  > . >     GO TO { proc-name } ... DEPENDING ON num >   G IMO nothing wrong at all. But for dyed in the wool "thou shalt not use  H GO TO" advocates (and I have seen coding standards which had this rule, / though many years ago), there is EVALUATE. E.g:    	EVALUATE ITEMA  	  WHEN 1	PERFORM ACTION-1 	  WHEN 2	PERFORM ACTION-2 	  . 	  . 	  .$ 	  WHEN OTHER	PERFORM SOMETHING-ELSE 	END-EVALUATE.    E > providing that "num" is clear from the immediately preceeding code.  > 3 >     ALTER { proc TO [ PROCEED TO ] new-proc } ...  > L > Is the construct to avoid.  (It exists because it was necessary to provide= > acceptable levels of performance in early COBOL compilers.)  > ) > W.R.T. DCL, there is nothing wrong with  >  >     GOTO <variable>  > D > when the <variable> is clear from the immediately preceeding code.3 > This is analogous to GO TO ...DEPENDING in Cobol.  > I > However, if <variable> is set in some distant code -- or, worse, in any E > of serveraly distant code paths -- then it is more analogous to the ) > ALTER statement, and should be avoided.  >   D I used this all the time before the introduction of GOSUB and CALL. I Agreed, the trick was to apply some discipline as to where <variable> is   set.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:32:40 -07004 From: "Darren Boyle" <Darren_Boyle@BlueYonder.co.UK>! Subject: RE: DCL Coding Standards G Message-ID: <002801c41c16$4f18cc60$e9542b52@adept.adeptconsultants.net>   J DCL coding standards should simply be a matter of ease, for both processorD and programmer alike, you all read it in the same way, line by line.  L If it's easy to read, thus maintain then it should be fairly fast.  I do notL know any programming languages that well, so I have written many many .COM'sK well in excess of a few thousand lines (with variable, though easy to reach 	 GOSUB's).   K The only real standard I have implemented is firstly (if in batch) check if I your the latest version, don't nest to deep and do a regular SAVE AS when 3 keeping your TPU sessions open for weeks at a time.   
 Just my $0.02    Darren. > A bleary eyed VMS system manager for 16 years, I use width 132   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 10:31:28 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404060931.15b0028c@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<407202B7.6D661B8A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > >  > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40703EFB.84D59F67@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...
 > > [snip] > > All this fuss  > , > What fuss? Don't you know how things work?  E OK. I should have gone to the "original format". But I think the onus A should be more on the author, not the reader, to make it come out F right. Don't you think Web authors should make at least some effort toC make their pages browser-independent? Isn't that the whole point of C the Internet that anyone can publish (they'll let anyone publish on 3 the Web!) and anyone can read said published pages?   < > > because you used the tab key instead of spaces. You postI > > the loop saying your indentation is better yet we see no indentation.  > 4 > In a certain newsreader. Looks fine in Netscape...  D Exactly my point. "Looks fine to me!" you say. Well, then publish it to yourself!  F > > You explain about HTML and such so you apparently already know the > > tabs will get lost.  > F > They don't "get lost". HTML-compliant display programs simply ignore, > them and/or convert them to single spaces.  C Tabs are "device software browser everything else under the sun and F then some" dependent -- which is exactly why you shouldn't use them in? published text (unless you are printing, you have proofread the E results, and distribute only the printed copies, and similar, if any,  of course).   4 > > Now I'm supposed to do backflips and summersalts2 > > just to check if maybe you have tabs in there? > I > You'd have to anyway - TABs aren't the only elements that get "lost" in  > HTML rendition...   B I never had to for anything else except for brain-damaged-software6 posts in which the lines don't wrap properly and such.  D If you would have posted your example with spaces instead of tabs it would look fine in any browser.   H > > This is exactly the problem with using tab characters: the displayed > > result is device dependent.  > D > Well, yes and no. When running Netscape's newsreader or a terminalE > program, it looks just fine. When viewed as HTML rendition, it gets & > modified per the HTML specification.  E Hmmm, can you then explain why the tabs get squashed when I read your E post on Google but when I click "Post a follow up to this message..." D I get a reply window in which the tabs appear to work correctly (andE how can I even be sure of that since I don't know with certainty what E the tab settings were on your device/software/whatever when you wrote B the example code!). Does HTML say to squash tabs on display but toE honor them in reply windows? ... Update! ... Actually, upon comparing B the original format view with the "Post a follow up..." view I seeA that they are different, probably because the quote string, "> ", D pushes the text over but there is a tab stop that prevents your loopD commands from moving over two spaces. I assume the "Original format"D view is correct, but then again, I can't really know for sure unless> you tell me what your tab stops are! And the fact that WindowsD software is part of the long chain from your desk to mine, all sorts. of brain-damaged-software munging is possible!  B OK, assuming the "Original Format" in Google really shows what youE meant to show, I don't like it. I find it more difficult to read code C in which each layer is 8 spaces over than if it were 4 spaces over. @ And your first layer is really only 6 characters over and deeperB levels would be 8 additional spaces each. I find it much easier ifE each additional level is 4 additional spaces over. On occasion I have C to read and interpret Pascal code which has 2 spaces of indentation D per level and also find that more difficult to read, though for codeC blocks that have many layers with one or two lines of code per each F additional/subtractional lavel, sometimes 2 spaces per level isn't all	 that bad.   . > > Please don't post code that contains tabs,? > > esp. if you are trying to make a point about indentation!!!  > $ > How then to demonstrate the point?  A By running it through EVE's CONVERT TABS function before posting,  which I already mentioned.  I > That's like saying "don't use color to illustrate the different between  > red and blue".  E No, it isn't. You can run it through EVE and simply say that you used F tabs, in which case you should also say where your tab stops are! Your< color example is more akin to using a diffraction grating toE demonstrate color. From different angles you see different colors, so B reader and creator would see, in general, different colors and theF creator's point would be lost. In this example, the tabs are analogousE to the diffraction grating and the spaces are analogous to paint with ' the spectrum of the light source fixed.   E > > Here is a good use for EVE. Before you post any more tabbed code, E > > please run it thru EVE and run the command CONVERT TABS. It works 
 > > great! > 3 > ...and increases the byte count at the same time.   > Not nearly as much as this discussion about it! I think modernD technology can handle a couple dozen "extra" spaces. And would theseE "extra spaces" your DCL code really take up a significant fraction of ) your disks? IMO, the spaces are worth it.    [...] 4 > > Like I said: one man's pain is another's ho hum. > > 2 > > > > As for keyboard intensive; for me, anyway;: > > > > the problem is going for the "computer-only" keys. > > > L > > > I've yet to see a computer keyboard - from a teletype to a 3270 - thatD > > > didn't have a TAB key, or a typewriter either for that matter. > > C > > What does this have to do with anything? OK. I find that typing I > > letters and spaces is the easiest part of typing. Shifting, Ctrl, Tab . > > are not as easy. The other keys are worse. > 	 > How so?   @ Because using the other keys are more dependent on proper typingD technique. You have to reposition your hands twice, look down at theE keyboard to see which function key you're pressing. When all you type D are letters and spaces, you can keep your gaze mostly on the screen.# We're getting into ergonomics here.    [...] 
 > > > IF XORY  > > > M > > > would not be valid BASIC syntax, unless the symbol "XORY" were actually 8 > > > valid and expected to be treated as a truth value. > > C > > We're talking about DCL here. Not every language under the sun.  > C > Why make the distinction? Learn teh fundamentals once, then apply  > universally.  C Because I believe you get better results if you don't cookie cutter 1 everything. Would you make all clothing one size?   ' > > > Actually I use "&" where I can...  > > ! > > I know, but I don't know why.  > G > Try assigning a string containing control characters or unpredictable H > contents as the translation of a logical name. You can go crazy trying( > to balance quotes and such, or you can >  > $ DEFINE lnm &symbol_name   $ Yes, I've done that myself at times.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 07:12:26 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> = Subject: RE: Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400? 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEOCDAAA.tom@kednos.com>   > Speaking of emulators, anyone ever try Hercules to run MVS3.8?     -----Original Message-----9   From: glen herrmannsfeldt [mailto:gah@ugcs.caltech.edu] &   Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:58 PM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com =   Subject: Re: Emulators: VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400?        healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:  5   > glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:   H   >>As well as I understand it, AS/400 is always emulated.  IBM supplies;   >>emulators based on different hardware for it to run on.   A   > You might be right.  I've looked at getting a small AS/400 on    eBay before toC   > play with, but have pretty much decided against it as they tend    to be moreL   > expensive than I'm willing to pay, and as I'd mentioned the licensing is>   > down-right draconian.  Basically it looks to me like you'd   never be able toC   > run anything other than what comes with it, *IF* you're able to    run that, I   > unless you pay a *LOT* of money, there is no such thing as a Hobbyist    > License in the IBM world.   B   > Also, some of the AS/400's have sensors in them so that if you   move them itL   > deactivates the ability to run the OS until an IBM FE comes out!  Though5   > I don't think that is true with the newer models.   <   That is pretty sneaky.  Though it might not be too hard to?   find the sensor and deactivate it.   I have never looked into    one, so I don't really know.  	   -- glen      --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 09:13:09 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?3 Message-ID: <LyLEZ1Y3BvV6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <fqdcc.2307$xz.1309@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes: 9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % > news:406DC5B5.F5339EC4@istop.com...  >> Larry Kilgallen wrote: M >> > I have seen nothing in this newsgroup proving that advertising VMS would  >> > be profitable.  >>: >> Wow. You'd exect such a jewel only from an HP employee. > # > Really?  Larry is an HP employee?   H No wonder VMS is not more popular, if HP has employees who never show up for work :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 10:54:47 -0700 + From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) @ Subject: OpenVMS Hobbyist Program - A Tribute to John Wisniewski= Message-ID: <e565ed03.0404060954.5d998a8f@posting.google.com>   F Some people have asked if the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program was going away,D given the pasing of its most outspoken champion, John Wisniewski.  ID assure you, that the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program will be continued, and% John would not want it any other way.   E When Pat Jankowiak first thought of the idea of a hobby-level license A for aging VAX hardware, it was John that encouraged him to made a = reasoned, thoughtful, and passionate plea to the Digital Vice E President panel at DECUS.  John, ever the visionary, knew it could be D done if it was presented clearly and simply.  The panel took note of' the applause, and the seed was planted.   F Afterwards, John worked the rounds of Digital's management, marketing,C and legal groups.  His passion was infectious, and he helped foster A the internal support required to make this program a reality.  He ; negotiated the basic group rules and pretty much the mutual B responsibilities between Digital and what would become the OpenVMS= Hobbyist Team.  We were able to issue licenses within certain 0 limitations, and create periodic media releases.  C The following DECUS, we announced the program.  We actually got the < final green light the day we announced it, John on the phone> negotiating the last detail and assuring the thumbs up for the project.  C Later, John got Digital to agree to expand the program to Alpha and B non-royalty Layered Products, a major enhancement to the program. & Again, John's passion had won through.  < The Hobbyist Program has been going since 1997.  The OpenVMSA Organization was commited to the continued success of the OpenVMS D Hobbyist Program before, and that commitment has not waivered.  JohnD was always involved in the project, handing out CD's and encouragingE new hobbyists.  The OpenVMS Hobbyist Program will continue to be part D of John's legacy to the user community he was so devoted to serving.  F The OpenVMS Hobbyist Program will continue to be supported by the rest of the OpenVMS Hobbyist Team:   # Pat Jankowiak:  OpenVMS Hobbyist #1  Steve Smiley:   Webmaster ( David Cathey:   License/Database Support   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:55:36 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>B Subject: Re: OT - VAT in EU & Outsourced customer service - Amazon: Message-ID: <c4u5rp$2n7srj$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Dr. Dweeb wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >>"Dr. Dweeb" wrote: >>G >>>Since a UK company cannot levy TVA on sales executed in the UK (only C >>>VAT), am I to understand that the TVA is being levied locally at - >>>point of entry by the French authorities ?  >>F >>In Canada, this is how it works generally. If you have stuff shippedA >>from the USA, there is no customs anymore (free trade), but the B >>courier/postal system will knock at your door to collect the GSTD >>(VAT) of the imported gizmo. Now, due to the volumes of shipments,C >>the post office for instance, doesn't really bother with anything " >>less than $20 of declared value. >>< >>However, some US mail order outfits actually have canadianD >>registrations and will charge you GST, and indicate on the waybillD >>that the GST has already been collected, so the package then flowsE >>through customs without any delay of processing. The US outfit then A >>sends the collected taxes to the canadian government at regular  >>intervals. >>D >>In the EU however, because of the number of countries involved, itE >>wouldn't make sense to expect a UK outfit to have VAT accounts with  >>every country in9 >>the EU and then collect taxes specific to each country.  >> >  > & > That is why they changed the rules ! >  > G >>Also, if A collects 4 euros in VAT and gives it to the UK government, E >>when B makes its tax declaration to the french government and needs C >>to have that 4 euros refunded, the french government can't really F >>refund that amount because it never actually collected it and has no. >>way to get the UK government to transfer it. >> >  > N > You need to apply to the UK Inland Revenue.  This is how it used to work forF > all transactions, and still does for some types of transactions.  InL > practice it was very difficult to get money back from some jurisdictions - > trust me, I know.  > K > I have recently received GBP back from the UK Inland Revenue for example.  > G > An example of such a transaction we would be training courses.  An HP K > training course delivered in UK by HP UK and charged to a French customer K > would include UK VAT.  The French customer would then make a claim to the C > Inland Revenue for a refund - it takes 4-6 months for processing.  >   I Correction. Each instance of "Inland Revenue" above should read "Customs  H & Excise". They are two separate bodies. The former deals with personal H and company taxation, the latter with import duties, VAT, smuggling etc.   > G >>So it makes sense that sales across the border would be VAT free, and E >>that the destination's VAT would then be collected at the border by  >>the shipping company.  >  > K > Yes.  However if it comes via a courier, they often charge an arm and leg N > for doing the VAT paperwork.  One needs to check with the courier service on > this.  >  > Dr. Dweeb  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:15:13 -0400* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>0 Subject: RE: Printer queues - pass control codes' Message-ID: <01346D10.C22236@yahoo.com>    Z wrote:  = > When using an Alpha (VMS 7.1-2) console terminal (and CDE), : > examining a printer queue from the CDE offers the user a% > check box for "pass control codes."  > < > How would one go about setting/clearing that printer queue? > feature w/o access to the console terminal (eg: from a telnet  > session into SYSTEM)?   @ I imagine, assuming queue named QUEUE is started on device TTA0:   $ stop/next QUEUE  $ set term/perm/pasthru TTA0: 
 $ start QUEUE  --  
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:56:57 GMT % From: Joe Smith <Joe.Smith@inwap.com>  Subject: Re: SIMH V3.2 released - Message-ID: <phucc.83981$JO3.43608@attbi_s04>    glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:  F > There was a story about TOPS-10 error something like UPTOLONG if the' > machine is up too many days in a row.   / It's TOPS-20, not TOPS-10, with that 'problem'.  	-Joe     > From: Mark Crispin   >L > I have a TOPS-20 system running on a VMware virtual machine with an uptimeL > of 9041 hours, meaning that in a little over 20 days it will crash with anN > UP2LNG.  I believe that this will be the second UP2LNG in history (the first" > happened at XKL a few years ago)   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 02:16:48 -0700 + From: hsnewman@austin.rr.com (HarrisNewman)  Subject: Re: SIMH V3.2 released = Message-ID: <73dff34c.0404060116.294ad828@posting.google.com>    Installed.    @ I bet the floating point problems were causing the decwar flakey problems...we shall see.
 Thanks Bob Harris  a "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<40721A83.59AA@yahoo.com>...  > Bob Supnik wrote:  > > / > > SIMH V3.2 was released today, on the web at " > > http://simh.trailing-edge.com. > > # > > Among the features of interest:  > > I > > 1. VAX - extended memory support.  Simulated memory can be configured , > > up to 512MB for VMS, Ultrix, and NetBSD. > >  - RXV21 support.  > H > This sounds great except now I'll have to reboot my 3.1 emulator whichH > has been running continously for 14+ days.  Nah, I'll upgrade when the  > Windows host finally gives up!   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 06:13:58 -0700 + From: toby@telegraphics.com.au (Toby Thain)  Subject: Re: SIMH V3.2 released = Message-ID: <d6ce4a6c.0404060513.6cb0fab7@posting.google.com>   ^ ian@beathoven.com (paramucho) wrote in message news:<407a3e58.10829379@news.ozemail.com.au>... > ...  > G > On average, the box in front of me needs rebooting two or three times H > and when it doesn't the power takes a dip and does it for me. The joys > of the country.   5 At my office, the power is quite reliable. Our office = mail/proxy/fax/DNS/web development server (Debian 2.2, kernel B 2.4.18-pre7) is sitting on 233 days up as I write. The last time IC rebooted it - it had to be moved - it had been up well over a year.    Toby   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 09:24:07 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: SIMH V3.2 released 3 Message-ID: <dRoL2OAxEMSf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <EXpcc.191402$1p.2230993@attbi_s54>, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:  F > There was a story about TOPS-10 error something like UPTOLONG if the' > machine is up too many days in a row.   J Early versions of VMS failed less nobly when the 32-bit page fault counter wrapped.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 12:07:52 -0500 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ) Subject: Re: simple question on shadowinge3 Message-ID: <B8z13rexmHlj@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  x In article <c4ul25$8cu$1@online.de>, helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:   > D >    http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=cf15391e5 >           .0312310812.7cf59c06%40posting.google.comc > ! > (watch the wrap), one can read:O > I >    Host-based Mini-Merge is not included in 7.3-2.  The schedule postedtI >    in July 2003 said it would be supported on 7.3-1 and above, and thatr5 >    the kit should be out near the end of Q1 CY2004.  > K > OK, I had forgotten that.  However, this a) makes it sound quite new and pA > b) makes it sound ALPHA-only (since there is no 7.3-1 for VAX).T >   3 	Which makes sense as it is based on write bitmaps:   G http://www.itec.suny.edu/scsys/vms/OVMSDOC073/V73/6620/6620pro_003.htmld  G The new minicopy feature of Compaq Volume Shadowing for OpenVMS and itsaI enabling technology, write bitmap, are fully implemented on OpenVMS AlphasM systems. OpenVMS VAX nodes can write to shadow sets that use this feature but?P they can neither create master write bitmaps nor manage them with DCL commands.    				Rob    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 09:33:43 -0700 ' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)-/ Subject: Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?-= Message-ID: <734da31c.0404060833.69dc9088@posting.google.com>.  q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c4s18q$81q$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...@ > Kenneth Farmer wrote:i! > > Lets get Andrew fired up!  :)s > >  > > A Total Eclipse of the Sun?rE > > http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=04/04/03/8616166d > >  > > Ken  > >  > 4 > Another well researched and well balanced article.  3 I don't think people expect it to be well balanced.e  2 > Quite why you need to keep attempting to put the > boot in on Sun  2 Perhaps the arrogance of Sun plays a role in this.   BTW,H there are a lot of rumours/people saying that UltraSparc V is cancelled? Perhaps you know more ?0   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 09:21:37 -0500>- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s7 Subject: Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE - does't survive reboots53 Message-ID: <V2ChEdxDi4Vv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <Owycc.2365$mE1.514@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:yf > In article <C8lcc.1522$ZT1.394@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes:K >>I've been doing Google searches and looking over the FAQ and I think I'm IK >>either outright failing to find the obvious or else something strange is s >>going on.s >>L >>I just finished setting up an AlphaServer DS10L as a hobbyist system with L >>OpenVMS Alpha v7.3-1.  Shortly after a reboot, I'm getting OPCOM messages H >>indicating that the logical name SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE is not defined. ... > E > If you have NET$DISABLE_DTSS defined and are NOT using DECnet Plus,a+ > remove the definition of NET$ISABLE_DTSS.n > A > If you have NET$DISABLE_DTSS defined and ARE using DECnet Plus,r' > you need to install VMS731_TDF-V0200.s > = > If this doesn't fix the problem, then it is something else.  > G > NOTE to V7.3-2 users -- VMS731_TDF-V0200 did not make it into V7.3-2.m7 > "I will be in the next TDF or update kit for V7.3-2."s  H I think the following from a DECnet Plus system contradicts some of that   $ show logical NET$DISABLE_DTSSa.    "NET$DISABLE_DTSS" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) $ show log SYS$TIMEZONE_RULEI    "SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE" = "EST5EDT4,M4.1.0/2,M10.5.0/2" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)o $ show system/noprocL OpenVMS V7.3-2  on node ELIDED   6-APR-2004 10:16:47.07  Uptime  32 17:49:41 $ show network  I Product:  DECNET        Node:  ELIDED               Address(es):  64.1025gL Product:  TCP/IP        Node:  ELIDED.domain.tld Address(es):  999.999.999.1 01 $    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 08:05:03 -0700e, From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow); Subject: tcp/ip NFS mounted drive problem after time change = Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0404060705.63bcce63@posting.google.com>   % We use the OpenVMS TCP/IP stack (UCX)n $ tcpip show version?   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 2v8   on a AlphaServer DS10 617 MHz running OpenVMS V7.3-1    > We mount a NFS drive on a Windows machine running Hummingbird:B  TCPIP MOUNT DNFS1: DNLD DNLD /GID="0"/UID="0"/SYSTEM /USER=XXXX -!  /HOST="AAAA" /PATH="D:\shared" -a.  /CACHE_TIMEOUT=(DIRECTORY:00:00:01,READ_DIR)   D There is no problem OpenVMS-wise regarding date and time stamping of files.D When we copy or build files to the NFS disk, we get the correct date and time! before and after the time change.o  ? But, the NFS drive is also used by Oracle on a Windows machine.hD It was only after stopping the NFS process on our OpenVMS server and
 remounting7 the drive that NFS displayed the proper daylight times.a  3 The dates of previously created files are corrected54 (example below), and new files get the correct date.  6 $ directory/size=all/date  nfs_dir:380827464351852.ASC   Directory DNLD:[SHARED]-3 380827464351852.ASC;1  2/2   5-APR-2004 16:54:51.85e   $ tcpip dismount/all< %TCPIP$DNFSDISMOUNT-S-DISMOUNTED, _DNFS1:[000000] dismounted   $ tcpip mount dnfs1 ...a@ %TCPIP$DNFSMOUNT-S-MOUNTED, D:\shared mounted on _DNFS1:[000000]   $ d nfs_dir:380827464351852.ASC>   Directory DNLD:[SHARED]r4 380827464351852.ASC;1   2/2   5-APR-2004 17:54:51.85    F Is it OpenVMS' fault by caching something that Hummingbird/Oracle use?E Is it Hummingbird's fault caching something that it should not cache?t Is it Oracle's fault?S  ? Remember, it was after we dismounted and remounted the drive on  OpenVMSn/ (process name DNFS1ACP) that the dates changed.l  @ I would appreciate some feedback from managers of mixed platform environments familiar with NFS.t  
 Thank you.   Jim Strehlow, Data911.com  OpenVMS Systems Manager  Alameda, CA, USA  A "The boss reminded us that we only have a week left to finish ourg* project, so we ought to be half done now." "You have not even started.") "Yeah, but I work better under pressure.":( "Actually you work only under pressure."D "That way the work time is more miserable; but there is less of it."A  variation of a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon by Bill Watterson, 1995    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0500c- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a Subject: Re: VMS?c3 Message-ID: <N6$R1j0QN5kP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <O8KdnXSaPJ8mR-zdRVn-hQ@adelphia.com>, "Rodney Kelp" <rodneykelp605@hotmail.com> writes:s   > Is Open VMS still supported?   Yes.   > Does DecWindows still suck?h  F It works fine for me, although I agree that the MacOS GUI is superior.H VMS tends to attract those who are able to use a command line interface.   > What's the future?  $ There will be strife in the Mideast.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 09:08:41 -0500a- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100r3 Message-ID: <KLaHLcL1rU2v@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  x In article <c4sa0f$il9$1@online.de>, helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:I > In article <c4pvmm$2lruov$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Hans Vlems"C$ > <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> writes:  > ) >> The Infoserver is a remote CD-server. w > H > OK, but with just one CD in it, and for use only in a VMS cluster, it G > seems to make more sense to just MSCP serve it from one of the nodes.a  = Not if you want to do an initial boot from it to install VMS.s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:35:01 -0400* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>5 Subject: RE: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100h' Message-ID: <01346F18.C22236@yahoo.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:  & > In article <c4sa0f$il9$1@online.de>,; > helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig---removee > CLOTHES to reply) writes: C >> In article <c4pvmm$2lruov$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Hans + >> Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> writes:t >>  ) >>> The Infoserver is a remote CD-server.a >> uH >> OK, but with just one CD in it, and for use only in a VMS cluster, itH >> seems to make more sense to just MSCP serve it from one of the nodes. > ? > Not if you want to do an initial boot from it to install VMS.i  K Moreover, VXTs can boot their OS from an InfoServer, which stores it on itseJ internal hard drive.  They also create their page files on the InfoServer.   $ set host/lat cdromsM	 Password:i/ %LAT-S-CONNECTED, session to CDROMS establishedt2 %LAT-I-TODISCON, type ^\ to disconnect the session   Digital Equipment Corporationi InfoServer 100 V3.1A   InfoServer> show session  > Service: VXT_V2_1.FNT (for DK1:VXT_V2_1.FNT, class VXT_SYSTEM)+    Session: 00202  Client: VXT_08002B3D675DI+    Session: 00402  Client: VXT_08002B2ABC16e+    Session: 00003  Client: VXT_08002B3D676Dh  : Service: VXT021.SYS (for DK1:VXT021.SYS, class VXT_SYSTEM)+    Session: 00201  Client: VXT_08002B3D675DM+    Session: 00002  Client: VXT_08002B3D676Ds+    Session: 00401  Client: VXT_08002B2ABC16c  C Service: VXT$PAGEFILE_08002B3D676D (for DK1:REMOTE_#80000253, classn VXT_PAGEFILE S)+    Session: 00001  Client: VXT_08002B3D676D  --  
 Brian Tillmant   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 12:01:31 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r5 Subject: Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100 3 Message-ID: <$DMfEusoujei@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <c4ula3$8cu$3@online.de>, helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:5 > In article <KLaHLcL1rU2v@eisner.encompasserve.org>,b2 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > , >> >> The Infoserver is a remote CD-server.  >> > TK >> > OK, but with just one CD in it, and for use only in a VMS cluster, it @J >> > seems to make more sense to just MSCP serve it from one of the nodes. >> o@ >> Not if you want to do an initial boot from it to install VMS. > H > Right.  Let me rephrase my question: if one is using only VMS systems,I > all of which have a drive from which VMS can be installed locally (i.e.nF > a CD drive or a disk drive with an /IMAGE backup of the installationH > CD), is there any advantage to an InfoServer compared to MSCP serving  > the devices?  I Consider the one week schedule slip a client of mine recently encountered.& because the internal drive was broken.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 12:03:15 -0500E- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i5 Subject: Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100 3 Message-ID: <MhWNouoormVA@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  x In article <c4ul6f$8cu$2@online.de>, helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:D > In article <c4t1pu$d76$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk
 > writes:  > J >> >OK, but with just one CD in it, and for use only in a VMS cluster, it I >> >seems to make more sense to just MSCP serve it from one of the nodes.  >> >N >> Generally an Infoserver would have a whole lot of CD drives attached to it.6 >> We use ours to serve out the VMS documentation CDs. > H > Right, one could put them in an external box.  (I'm not talking about I > the InfoServer 1000, which has room for 7, but the older InfoServer.)  T  F The InfoServer 1000s I have all have zero internal drives.  All drivesG are external, and I connect the configuration I choose (up to the limitE of 7).   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.191 ************************