1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 07 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 192       Contents:6 Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233}
 Bill Gates Re: contents of V7.3-2 distro  Re: contents of V7.3-2 distro  Re: CXX 6.5-039 problem  Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards4 Re: Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400?4 Re: Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400?- Errata Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP < Re: HP Announces largest outsourcing deal in Company history Re: HTML favourite editor?7 Re: J F - different trolling styles on different groups   Re: J F the next Osama Bin Laden  Re: J F the next Osama Bin Laden' John Wisniewski Memorial Fund - details + Re: John Wisniewski's home page in memoriam + Re: John Wisniewski's home page in memoriam ( John's last work (?) on VMS and Security Re: Loss of a VMS legend Re: OpenVMS for POWER!? - Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon - Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon  Re: Power Button on PWS  Re: Power Button on PWS  Re: Power Button on PWS  Re: SIMH V3.2 released Re: SIMH V3.2 released SIMH V3.2 released Re: SIMH V3.2 released  Re: simple question on shadowing& Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?& Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?* SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE - does't survive reboots. Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE - does't survive reboots. Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE - does't survive reboots. Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE - does't survive reboots& Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP& Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP& Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP Re: VMS? VMS? Re: VMS?, Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100, Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 31004 Re: [OT]: Franken-food   was Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:50:27 -0400( From: "Alex Snow" <alex8887@hotmail.com>? Subject: Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233} 0 Message-ID: <1073s7g3edbpf38@corp.supernews.com>  J  Have you tried putting a nullmodem adapter between the serial port on theL alpha and the cable to you're terminal. The console port should be the firstH serial port. Make sure you don't have anything plugged into the graphics card.   L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:c4666g$hjt$1@online.de... F > In my quest to collect interesting hardware, I sometimes end up withI > stuff which is too old, big, slow, power-hungry etc for my needs.  Such G > a beast has ALPHAserver 2000 4/200 on the front, but the display says  > 233 instead of 200.  > I > I plan to find a good home for this, since it is too big for me and, if I > I read the labels correctly, consumes too much power.  (If I were rich, 2 > I would keep it just for the sake of nostalgia.) > H > I'm trying to get to the console prompt, then want to boot VMS just to= > make sure everything is OK, see how much memory it has etc.  > J > It has two 9-pin serial ports (like the ALPHAstation 255/233) labelled 1& > and 2.  It ALSO has a graphics card. > F > I don't see a console prompt on a VT320 set to the standard settingsJ > (receive=transmit=9600, 8 bits no parity etc).  It seems to power up and: > run through the self-tests OK, based on the LCD display. > G > Since the ALPHAstation 255/233 is a) 500 km away and b) waiting for a H > capacitor replacement, unfortunately I have nothing to verify that the5 > cables I'm using are a) correct and b) not damaged.  > H > I tried a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| BCC08 which has "CONSOLE" written on the bigH > end and "PR1" written on the other end.  Should I expect this cable to > work?  > G > Is it possible that the console is set to graphics?  If so, how can I B > change it (preferably without having to pull the graphics card). > ? > Which of the serial connectors should be the console (OPA0:)?  > F > Apparently, this machine has two CPUs.  Is one of them comparable in  > speed to the 255/233 (21064A)? > H > I already have someone who is possibly interested in this machine.  IfG > that doesn't pan out, I'll post again here (after I know the specs in F > detail) but if someone else is interested, feel free to let me know.J > The machine is near Frankfurt am Main in Germany.  I will be doing a lotI > of travelling in the summer and it is possible that I could bring it to I > its new home, though obviously I would prefer for someone to collect it 4 > where it is now (just a few km from the Autobahn). > J > In August, I'll also have an ALPHAserver 2100 which will also be looking > for a new home.  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:14:11 +0200' From: danilov<danilov@netvision.net.il>  Subject: Bill Gates 3 Message-ID: <c4t7cn$6f1$261@news2.netvision.net.il>    <HTML> <HEAD>A <META NAME="GENERATOR" Content="Microsoft DHTML Editing Control">  <TITLE></TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>; <P>the domain&nbsp; billgates.ms&nbsp;&nbsp; (MS)&nbsp; is   for sale!!!</P> @ <P><A href="http://www.billgates.ms">www.billgates.ms</A>&nbsp;  </P> </BODY>  </HTML>    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:10:46 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> & Subject: Re: contents of V7.3-2 distro: Message-ID: <c4us6s$2mge01$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  % On 2004-04-06 18:09, "VAXman-" wrote:   G > In addition, crap!, my Freeware CDs are defective.  I can't get them   > to mount on the InfoServer.   G I was able to mount FREEWARE60_1 and FREEWARE60_2 without problems on a 8 demo version of Charon-VAX, using the PC's CD-ROM drive.   > --D > http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityE >                             solutions that others only claim to be.   A Well, your sig delimiter is defective, too. It should be "-- " of % course. (The white space is missing.)    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:25:30 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>& Subject: Re: contents of V7.3-2 distro: Message-ID: <c503ca$2nqviq$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   VAXman- wrote:r > In article <c4us6s$2mge01$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes: >>C >>Well, your sig delimiter is defective, too. It should be "-- " of ' >>course. (The white space is missing.)  >  > E > Looks just fine in a text based reader which is all on needs unless 8 > they enjoy trolling the filth in the alt.binaries.  :) > E > Seriously,  I thought I fixed that some time ago.  It's fixed now,  	 > I hope.  >   G I hadn't noticed it was missing the space before, but see that Mozilla  7 now recognizes it as a sig and omits it from the reply.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 16:01:59 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: CXX 6.5-039 problem3 Message-ID: <10HrW1VC8qUC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <c4s661$92a$1@bozon2.softax.pl>, Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> writes:  > I > Many thanks. I call cxx$set_version.com before each cxx command and it   > works. But we J > did simple test. It looks like a bug. When I set CXX version and try to  > compile in subprocces  > error occurs.   H    You set the version in the parent process and tried to do the compileH    in the subprocess.  It looks like something gets out of synch between    the two.   5    You don't happen to have a DCL symbol for spawn as ,    spawn/nological_names or spawn/nosymbols?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:55:26 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) ! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 0 Message-ID: <yrecc.2313$zB.262@news.cpqcorp.net>  7 In article <406E3B28.C0FBDF05@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,  B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  B >I have some very useful, but very complex proc.'s that would blow >DCL_CHECK's mind.  D If you have NOT used DCL_CHECK, I would love to send you the current@ version, or to have you send me one or more of these procedures.  F The DCL_CHECK output may or may not be useful to you, but I doubt that# DCL_CHECK's minde would be blown.      --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:50:45 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) ! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 1 Message-ID: <9necc.2312$zB.2289@news.cpqcorp.net>   G >> 6) don't use "goto depending on" (cobol guys know what I am saying).  > F >Do you mean not to use something like $ GOTO _'F$MODE()' !?  Why not?  - So far as I know, there is nothing wrong with   ,     GO TO { proc-name } ... DEPENDING ON num  C providing that "num" is clear from the immediately preceeding code.   1     ALTER { proc TO [ PROCEED TO ] new-proc } ...   J Is the construct to avoid.  (It exists because it was necessary to provide; acceptable levels of performance in early COBOL compilers.)   ' W.R.T. DCL, there is nothing wrong with        GOTO <variable>   B when the <variable> is clear from the immediately preceeding code.1 This is analogous to GO TO ...DEPENDING in Cobol.   G However, if <variable> is set in some distant code -- or, worse, in any C of serveraly distant code paths -- then it is more analogous to the ' ALTER statement, and should be avoided.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:07:03 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 6 Message-ID: <407202B7.6D661B8A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40703EFB.84D59F67@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > [snip] > All this fuss   * What fuss? Don't you know how things work?  : > because you used the tab key instead of spaces. You postG > the loop saying your indentation is better yet we see no indentation.   2 In a certain newsreader. Looks fine in Netscape...  D > You explain about HTML and such so you apparently already know the > tabs will get lost.   D They don't "get lost". HTML-compliant display programs simply ignore* them and/or convert them to single spaces.  2 > Now I'm supposed to do backflips and summersalts0 > just to check if maybe you have tabs in there?  G You'd have to anyway - TABs aren't the only elements that get "lost" in  HTML rendition...   F > This is exactly the problem with using tab characters: the displayed > result is device dependent.   B Well, yes and no. When running Netscape's newsreader or a terminalC program, it looks just fine. When viewed as HTML rendition, it gets $ modified per the HTML specification.  , > Please don't post code that contains tabs,= > esp. if you are trying to make a point about indentation!!!   " How then to demonstrate the point?  G That's like saying "don't use color to illustrate the different between  red and blue".  C > Here is a good use for EVE. Before you post any more tabbed code, C > please run it thru EVE and run the command CONVERT TABS. It works  > great!  1 ...and increases the byte count at the same time.    > > > , > > > My way makes it easier to find labels. > > L > > ...as long as "$_" is consistent, yes: FIND for "$_" will locate labels. > > Then again, given: > >  > > $ GOTO label_1 > >       .  > >       .  > >       .  > > $ GOTO other_label_1 > > I > > ..., FIND for "$label_1:" will distinguish it from the other form, as G > > long as "$label_name:" is used consitently. Matter of preference...  > > # > > > I like the whitespace between  > > > the commands and the $'s.  > > K > > Lotta folks do, it seems. Not sure why - bloody pain in the ass to have . > > to waste time counting spaces like that... > 2 > Like I said: one man's pain is another's ho hum. > 0 > > > As for keyboard intensive; for me, anyway;8 > > > the problem is going for the "computer-only" keys. > > J > > I've yet to see a computer keyboard - from a teletype to a 3270 - thatB > > didn't have a TAB key, or a typewriter either for that matter. > A > What does this have to do with anything? OK. I find that typing G > letters and spaces is the easiest part of typing. Shifting, Ctrl, Tab , > are not as easy. The other keys are worse.   How so?    > >  > > > A few hits > >  > > Per line??!! > D > Yeah, I know, it sounds amazing, but that's what I do. Holding theH > thumbs in hover position for long periods of time is bad for them. Try3 > holding your arm up in the air for a few minutes.   > Yeah - trying to maintain "proper" hand positons for typing...   > > IF XORY  > > K > > would not be valid BASIC syntax, unless the symbol "XORY" were actually 6 > > valid and expected to be treated as a truth value. > A > We're talking about DCL here. Not every language under the sun.   A Why make the distinction? Learn teh fundamentals once, then apply  universally.   > > % > > Actually I use "&" where I can...  >  > I know, but I don't know why.   E Try assigning a string containing control characters or unpredictable F contents as the translation of a logical name. You can go crazy trying& to balance quotes and such, or you can   $ DEFINE lnm &symbol_name    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:09:15 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 6 Message-ID: <4072033B.879EA170@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40704164.37CDDB5E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...
 > > [snip], > > o WARNING resets ERROR and SEVERE_ERROR.; > > o ERROR resets ERROR and SEVERE_ERROR, but not WARNING. A > > o SEVERE_ERROR resets SEVERE_ERROR, but not ERROR or WARNING.  >  > Let's try it:  >  > DCL> @SUPERSEDE  > $ ON WARNING THEN SHOW TIME  > $ DIR ASDFASDFASDFASDF.ASDF # > %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found  >    5-APR-2004 13:37:59 > $ ON WARNING THEN SHOW TIME ' > $ ON SEVERE_ERROR THEN SHOW MEM/FILES  > $ DIR ASDFASDFASDFASDF.ASDF # > %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found  > $ EXIT > DCL> > > > Then why doesn't the second DIR command produce a SHOW TIME?  F Actually, you're quite right. Not sure what I was thinking of there...  - Guess I wish it really DID work that way, eh?    Uh, Guy... ?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 00:53:37 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com = Subject: Re: Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400? , Message-ID: <c4sv2h0276s@enews4.newsguy.com>  / Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote: N > I would like to know if there is something similar to Charon VAX  to emulate< > an AS-400 server ! Commercial like VMWare, Charon, etc ...  K Ah, now I understand.  I'm not aware of any AS/400 emulators, commercial or I otherwise.  I suspect part of the problem there is IBM expects you to buy D new hardware, and their licensing is so restrictive that it probablyK prevents running the OS on an Emulator (even if the emulator was running on  IBM hardware).    = An HP3000 might be another matter, as SRI is looking into it. E http://www.softresint.com/hp3000/hp3000emulator.php  I wouldn't be to 3 surprised if others aren't looking into it as well.    			Zane    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 02:49:14 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com = Subject: Re: Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400? , Message-ID: <c4t5ra01vn5@enews2.newsguy.com>  1 glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote: F > As well as I understand it, AS/400 is always emulated.  IBM supplies9 > emulators based on different hardware for it to run on.   C > If you want one, I don't think they are too hard to find on eBay,  > though I don't have one yet.  L You might be right.  I've looked at getting a small AS/400 on eBay before toJ play with, but have pretty much decided against it as they tend to be moreH expensive than I'm willing to pay, and as I'd mentioned the licensing isL down-right draconian.  Basically it looks to me like you'd never be able to I run anything other than what comes with it, *IF* you're able to run that, E unless you pay a *LOT* of money, there is no such thing as a Hobbyist  License in the IBM world.   K Also, some of the AS/400's have sensors in them so that if you move them it H deactivates the ability to run the OS until an IBM FE comes out!  Though1 I don't think that is true with the newer models.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:23:01 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>6 Subject: Errata Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP6 Message-ID: <40720675.E7C1810D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Corrections included below...    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > $ > This mostly for future Googlers... >  > Versions:  > OpenVMS         V7.3, V7.3-1 > Multinet        V4.4 Rev A-X > J > After some research, including an old post claiming to be the definitiveE > reference on the topic, I came up with this sequence of events that E > worked very well for me on 4-Apr-2004. Use SYSMAN to propagate this D > across a cluster by placing these commands in a DCL proc. that can+ > easily be invoked using SYSMAN's DO verb.  > " >  1. Stop the XNTP_SERVER process > B >         Do this using STOP/ID - it is _NOT_ necessary to disable+ >         XNTP in MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER  > / >  2. Remove the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical name  > = >         It's DEFINEd/SYSTEM/EXEC by an image invoked during H >         SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM. The proc. expects the logical) >         name to not already be DEFINEd.  > / >         $ DEASS/SYSTEM/EXEC SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE  > 1 >  3. Advance/retard the system clock by one hour  > < >         $ IF    F$TRNLNM( "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" ) >         $ THEN) >         $       TIME_DELTA := -01:00:00  >         $ ELSE) >         $       TIME_DELTA := +01:00:00  >         $ ENDIF   >         $ SET TIME=&TIME_DELTA > , >  4. Invoke SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM > , >         $ @SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM > : >         Remember that #2 above is pre-requisite to this! >  >  5. Restart XNTP > " >         $ @MULTINET:START_SERVER > ? >         When doing this in a cluster, remember to submit this D >         command to batch as it does not work reliably from SYSMAN. > J > Then, verify that the system clock and the associated SYS$*TIME* logical& > names are all correct and remain so. >  > It worked for me...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:38:27 GMT ( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>E Subject: Re: HP Announces largest outsourcing deal in Company history A Message-ID: <nlkcc.20159$t16.10306057@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   K Perhaps a marketing agreement.  MS markets, HP engineers and supports... :O    Todd3 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message - news:001d01c41880$4ecced70$994614ac@wat153...  > Hello, > B > If this all is true, then I think OpenVMS will become dead. IMHOF > Microsoft is not able to continue the support and the development of
 > OpenVMS. >  > Best regards R. Wingert  >    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 01:59:52 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com # Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? , Message-ID: <c4t2uq02nph@enews4.newsguy.com>  1 Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote: B > http://www.tug.org/ftp/texlive/Contents/live/xemtex/etc/MACHINESD > "VMS has never been supported by XEmacs.  In fact, all the old VMSF > code inherited from Emacs has been removed.  Sorry, all you VMS fans
 > out there."   K Bummer.  Truth be told, I could care less about Emacs itself, however, I do > like Xemacs.  Yes, I realize that doesn't make a lot of sense.  K That's quite the list of editors.  I'll have to give both Nedit and jEdit a J try as they both look close to what I want.  I can also see that I'll haveF to take a serious look at Netbeans as I'm starting to learn Java for a couple projects I want to do.    		Zane   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:36:27 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) @ Subject: Re: J F - different trolling styles on different groups( Message-ID: <c4utbb$3pb$1@pcls4.std.com>  ' Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> writes:   @ >In comp.os.vms JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> trolled hesitantly:   <snip>  ? >Hmmm, that's very interesting, how JF's trolling style varies. H >Look how shyly he trolls in comp.os.vms, as if to not step on any toes.  I F off, anonymous coward troll.  J Mezei is one of the better contributers  to comp.os.vms.  --   -Mike    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:02:43 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>) Subject: Re: J F the next Osama Bin Laden < Message-ID: <DXicc.56427$zy.836540@twister.southeast.rr.com>   Dude,   I This community is mourning the lose of a close friend who passed over the ) weekend.  Please lay off for a few weeks.    Ken    -- Kenneth Farmer  <><  OpenVMS.org               & "O M G" <omg@its.obl> wrote in message1 news:P5F6IHAZ38082.4950115741@anonymous.poster...  >  http://www.google.com/groups?as_q=bush&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_uauthors=nobody&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en  > ' > This guy is the next Osama Bin Laden!  >  >  http://www.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_umsgid=%3Cfedc3ff6c1940b29007004fb5561bf72@dizum.com%3E&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 01:01:42 +0100 % From: grub@internet.charitydays.co.uk ) Subject: Re: J F the next Osama Bin Laden 8 Message-ID: <aqs370h894c296ave4chf8mvsrkahchm90@4ax.com>  8 GWB got started in the oil business with Bin Laden money2 __________________________________________________            l http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html            2 __________________________________________________   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 18:42:38 -0700 1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) 0 Subject: John Wisniewski Memorial Fund - details= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0404061742.1c0e667c@posting.google.com>   E In lieu of flowers, several people have asked if they can donate to a F fund for Johns' daughters, Jessica (18) and Jennifer (16).  If you areE interested, a DCU (Digital Federal Credit Union) fund has been set up * that can accept your donation immediately.   DCU account transfer: 2 Transfer to #5169054 John Wisniewski Memorial Fund' You must reference the account number.    # Non-DCU donations may be mailed to:  Digital Federal Credit UnionB #5169054 John Wisniewski Memorial Fund (the account number must be referenced)  220 Donald Lynch Blvd. Marlborough, MA  01752-9130    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:04:27 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>4 Subject: Re: John Wisniewski's home page in memoriam< Message-ID: <fZicc.56429$zy.835930@twister.southeast.rr.com>  J For those of you that don't know already, a memorial site has been posted:   http://wiz.openvms.org  B Please share you comments, memories and images with the community.   Ken    -- Kenneth Farmer  <><  OpenVMS.org               / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message ' news:c4qsgo$trh$1@biggoron.nerim.net...  > http://www.montagar.com/jrw/ > - > Good bye, John, and thanks for all the VMS.  >  > D. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:56:51 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>4 Subject: Re: John Wisniewski's home page in memoriam. Message-ID: <c4sh6i$1qtp$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: L > For those of you that don't know already, a memorial site has been posted: >  > http://wiz.openvms.org > D > Please share you comments, memories and images with the community.   Merci Ken, that's kind of you.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:18:11 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>1 Subject: John's last work (?) on VMS and Security . Message-ID: <c4seu3$1p7k$1@biggoron.nerim.net>  H http://www.mindiq.com/resources/webcasts/JohnwEncompasswebcast031804.ppt Dated 18-mar-2004.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:50:11 -0300 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: Loss of a VMS legend ) Message-ID: <4071B870.14387342@istop.com>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > = > That was him and he was my dear friend this is a huge loss.   - Thanks for confirming that animation was his.   Q I guess condolences also go to his other family: the VMS family at his workplace.   M Sue, you had mentioned last week that he was in the hospital. Had he returned * home or was he in hospital all this time ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:45:47 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>   Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?1 Message-ID: <fqdcc.2307$xz.1309@news.cpqcorp.net>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:406DC5B5.F5339EC4@istop.com...  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:L > > I have seen nothing in this newsgroup proving that advertising VMS would > > be profitable. > 9 > Wow. You'd exect such a jewel only from an HP employee.   ! Really?  Larry is an HP employee?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 14:31:07 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> 6 Subject: Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon8 Message-ID: <v4ht60152sta4t1fnaaq9dslamc3qrmcha@4ax.com>  D On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:53:02 +0200, "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote:   >Folks,  > G >The Dweeb has purchased some books at Amazon.co.uk, and since I am VAT H >registered, I should not have to pay VAT on these professional volumes.  K Isn't the way that it works that you pay the VAT & then reclaim it when you P submit your VAT return? In any case the VAT on books in the UK is 0% so I assumeO that you are outside the UK, in fact I just saw the .dk in your header. What is ! the VAT rate on books in Denmark?   N What annoys me is that when I order from amazon.co.uk for delivery in the UK IM pay 0% VAT. If I order for delivery in France then I pay 5.5% TVA. The normal O rule is that you pay sales tax where the online retailer is based so if I order N from amazon.com I also pay no sales tax but delivery charges will be higher. IN have ordered from many other retailers in the UK for delivery in France & onlyM ever pay VAT at UK rate (normally 19.5 vs 20.5 so no big deal) it's only with M books that it grates a bit. I guess it's some special multinational deal that 5 Amazon UK have struck with the EU but it's a bit odd.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:04:29 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 6 Subject: Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon0 Message-ID: <1Aecc.2314$zB.187@news.cpqcorp.net>  D On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:53:02 +0200, "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote:   >... The normal F >rule is that you pay sales tax where the online retailer is based ...  > In the USA, sales tax is payable based on the ship-to address.  H If the shipper does not have a presence in the shipt-to state, sales taxD is typically not collected.  It can be argued that the purchaser is H obligated to pay, but as a practical matter, this doesn't happen becauseE the cost to collect small amounts is prohibative.  On the other hand, G if you purchase a care in state A and take deliver in state B, you WILL , pay state B's sales tax (and not state A's).   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:19:23 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org  Subject: Re: Power Button on PWS) Message-ID: <04040614192303@antinode.org>   B    I've been out of touch for a while.  Is anyone willing to admitE having figured out (assuming it's possible) how to persuade a Digital C Personal WorkStation to power-on (and hence possibly start up) when  power is applied?   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:23:15 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)  Subject: Re: Power Button on PWS/ Message-ID: <SkEcc.197697$1p.2265070@attbi_s54>   B In article <04040614192303@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:C !   I've been out of touch for a while.  Is anyone willing to admit F !having figured out (assuming it's possible) how to persuade a DigitalD !Personal WorkStation to power-on (and hence possibly start up) when !power is applied? !   
 Hi Steven,  M I will be patching my PWS on 20-April at home.  I will attempt to get the PWS % to power up (and possibly reboot) by:    Setting auto_action to RESTART  J Leaving the power button pushed in after shutting the system down.  I willO then pull the plug from the back of the machine, and re-attach it.  If all goes @ well, the machine will (at least) power up, and may even reboot.  - Perhaps I am naive, but I'm willing to try...    I !------------------------------------------------------------------------  ! 5 !   Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818 4 !   382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org !   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:33:48 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org  Subject: Re: Power Button on PWS) Message-ID: <04040615334822@antinode.org>   4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)  O > I will be patching my PWS on 20-April at home.  I will attempt to get the PWS ' > to power up (and possibly reboot) by:  >   > Setting auto_action to RESTART > L > Leaving the power button pushed in after shutting the system down.  I willQ > then pull the plug from the back of the machine, and re-attach it.  If all goes B > well, the machine will (at least) power up, and may even reboot. > / > Perhaps I am naive, but I'm willing to try...   H    My advice would be not to expect much.  On mine: Holding in the powerB button does not do the job.  The green wire to the power supply isB driven from a flip-flop output, and it's very easy to believe thatG there's some edge-sensitive stuff between the switch and the flip-flop.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 06 Apr 2004 12:11:27 -0700/ From: Paul Rubin <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid>  Subject: Re: SIMH V3.2 released 0 Message-ID: <7x8yh8rkf4.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  3 Bob Supnik <bsupnik@nauticusnet.nospam.com> writes: K > >- You should have a way to support the two ribbon colors (red and black)r > >  of the Flexowriter. > > B > Both of these require graphics support, which is in development.D > Portability across Windows, Unix, VMS, and Mac OS/X makes graphics > complicated.  B For alphabet characters, maybe you could use upper and lower case.  E > Note, though, that the purpose of the simulator is to run software,X> > not to recreate the operational experience of an LGP-30.  IfB > functions can be done through existing simulator interfaces (see" > comments on 9.0), that suffices.  ? Oh, I doubt anyone has real lgp-30 software that they have much @ reason to want to run.  So recreating the operational experience& makes the simulation more interesting.  J > >BTW I too have written a LGP-30 simulator. It is written in TurboPascal? > >and runs fine under DOS or in dosemu. I needed one after the K > >restauration phase of our LGP-30 in order to verify its functions and toME > >do cross development. It has many nice features like sending Flexo-J > >output to a printer, drum save/restore, etc. I always wanted to make it" > >public for downloading one day. > " > I'd encourage you to publish it.  5 Yes, me too.  My computer club from high school had a D long-nonfunctioning lgp-30 and I was always fascinated by looking atD its boards and stuff.  A "double flip flop" seemed so much more realE when it was a PC board with three vacuum tubes than when it was a boxY@ in a diagram.  A few of the club members tried to get the lgp-30, working but I don't know how close they got.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 16:12:28 -0700a) From: baby_p_nut2@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)  Subject: Re: SIMH V3.2 released ; Message-ID: <96d83290.0404061512.93cf2e@posting.google.com>   q Bob Supnik <bsupnik@nauticusnet.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<0o1470pm3unobpbgbrarbig4gegpmlspc9@4ax.com>...-- > SIMH V3.2 was released today, on the web at7  > http://simh.trailing-edge.com. > ! > Among the features of interest:t > G > 1. VAX - extended memory support.  Simulated memory can be configuredu* > up to 512MB for VMS, Ultrix, and NetBSD. >  - RXV21 support.e   [...snip...]  F If you are looking for another software kit for the VAX emulator thereE is a port of 4.3BSD that runs in SIMH/VAX.  You can find images, etc.t? for here under the name Quasijarus0c (where "0c" is the releasel version number)m   http://www.itsecuritygeek.com/  ' in the download/retrocomputing section.    A direct link is here:  e http://www.itsecuritygeek.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownload&cid=4     same site via tinyurl redirector   http://tinyurl.com/3f4nt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:31:41 -0400f1 From: Bob Supnik <bsupnik@nauticusnet.nospam.com>e Subject: SIMH V3.2 releasedu8 Message-ID: <0o1470pm3unobpbgbrarbig4gegpmlspc9@4ax.com>  + SIMH V3.2 was released today, on the web ati http://simh.trailing-edge.com.   Among the features of interest:a  E 1. VAX - extended memory support.  Simulated memory can be configuredt( up to 512MB for VMS, Ultrix, and NetBSD.  - RXV21 support.d- 2. PDP10 -  two bugs in floating point fixed.   - Latent Ethernet support.t 3. PDP11 - DEUNA/DELUA support.eA 4. PDP15 - bugs in XVM option fixed; XVM/DOS now runs in extendedt mode. F 5. LGP30/LGP21 - new simulators of Royal-Mcbee drum/disk based systems from the late 50's/early 60's.8 6.  Nova/Eclipse - ALM/QTY terminal multiplexor support.  & plus lots of other features and fixes.   /Bob Supnik    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:48:32 GMTd4 From: "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: SIMH V3.2 releasedt% Message-ID: <40721A83.59AA@yahoo.com>l   Bob Supnik wrote:  > - > SIMH V3.2 was released today, on the web at   > http://simh.trailing-edge.com. > ! > Among the features of interest:a > G > 1. VAX - extended memory support.  Simulated memory can be configured0* > up to 512MB for VMS, Ultrix, and NetBSD. >  - RXV21 support.m  F This sounds great except now I'll have to reboot my 3.1 emulator whichF has been running continously for 14+ days.  Nah, I'll upgrade when the Windows host finally gives up!   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:32:30 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)n) Subject: Re: simple question on shadowinge( Message-ID: <c4v44u$f7m$1@pcls4.std.com>  S helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:c  I >In article <c4qmcg$u3r$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.comg >(Michael Moroney) writes: e  V >> helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >>  . >> >  Or will there be HBVS minimerge for VAX? >> <I >> Get the terminology right.  MiniMERGE has existed for years, exists on6I >> VAX and in fact I think it may date to before Alpha.  MiniCOPY is new,tE >> and will work on all disks (not just those on CI/DSSI controllers)>  I >Note that I am talking about minimerge for host-based voolume shadowing P >(HBVS).  G Apologies for getting a bit mixed up on the terminology.  The minimerge C I was talking about is the controller minimerge done by various HSx2B and DSSI devices.  The new minimerge (not minicopy) is referred toH as HBMM, host based minimerge.  (BTW all current shadowing is host-basedF volume shadowing (HBVS).  The old controller based volume shadowing on! HSCs was desupported around V6.1)D   -- e -Mike.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 19:50:02 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?n< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404051850.b1a6467@posting.google.com>  q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c4s18q$81q$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...e > Kenneth Farmer wrote: ! > > Lets get Andrew fired up!  :)o > >  > > A Total Eclipse of the Sun?.E > > http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=04/04/03/8616166e > >  > > Kenl > >  > 4 > Another well researched and well balanced article. > 2 > The month hasn't started off well for you has it2 > Ken, 2 posts neither worth the bits used to send > them.l > 2 > Quite why you need to keep attempting to put the0 > boot in on Sun I don't know though many people2 > would suspect that it diverts attention from the2 > obvious woes of HP unless you consider the EBU's+ > processor/systems strategy to be tip top.e >  > Do you ????? > 	 > Regardsi > Andrew Harrisonl  1 any company that abandons its 80000 star chip and>/ puts their enterprise platform of the future ono. the x86 boat anchor sounds desparate to me ...   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2004 15:55:53 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a/ Subject: Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?i3 Message-ID: <6Z7Cr7PqI36y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <c4s18q$81q$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes: > Kenneth Farmer wrote:   >> Lets get Andrew fired up!  :) >> a >> A Total Eclipse of the Sun?D >> http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=04/04/03/8616166 >> C  B    Which, of course, says about the same thing The Washington Post    just said about Sun.9  @    So if you don't read Terry, you still get can get a Sun burn.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:35:26 -0400x* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>3 Subject: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE - does't survive rebootsi7 Message-ID: <C8lcc.1522$ZT1.394@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   I I've been doing Google searches and looking over the FAQ and I think I'm  I either outright failing to find the obvious or else something strange is  	 going on.   J I just finished setting up an AlphaServer DS10L as a hobbyist system with J OpenVMS Alpha v7.3-1.  Shortly after a reboot, I'm getting OPCOM messages I indicating that the logical name SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE is not defined.  Sure  L enough, it is not defined.  After re-running UCT$TIME_SETUP.COM, I see that I the logical name is defined but after a reboot it is undefined again.  I dM thought that the time zone settings that were chosen by running that command rH procedure were supposed to be re-used at each reboot, but obviously I'm ' missing something in my system startup.o  ! What's the part that I'm missing?o     TIA,   Chuckm --   Chuck Choppe  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com1                                    ICQ # 22321532l@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pagerC                                    8007740718 (at) skytel (dot) come  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:06:27 -0400H* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>7 Subject: Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE - does't survive reboots>4 Message-ID: <umncc.575$HJ.87@bignews4.bellsouth.net>   Chuck Chopp wrote:  K > I've been doing Google searches and looking over the FAQ and I think I'm rK > either outright failing to find the obvious or else something strange is D > going on.  > G > I just finished setting up an AlphaServer DS10L as a hobbyist system LH > with OpenVMS Alpha v7.3-1.  Shortly after a reboot, I'm getting OPCOM E > messages indicating that the logical name SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE is not p> > defined.  Sure enough, it is not defined.  After re-running I > UCT$TIME_SETUP.COM, I see that the logical name is defined but after a fG > reboot it is undefined again.  I thought that the time zone settings DI > that were chosen by running that command procedure were supposed to be  K > re-used at each reboot, but obviously I'm missing something in my system t
 > startup. > # > What's the part that I'm missing?-     I think I found it...-  J Adding the following line to my SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM procedure seems to ahve  corrected the problem:  + $ @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM "" "RULE"s  J Now I'm wondering if the time zone rule itself will need to be updated at L all or if I can "set it and forget it" w/respect to this part of the system I configuration as long as I don't actually want the system moved to a new s
 time zone.     -- 6 Chuck ChoppA  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com1                                    ICQ # 22321532o@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pagerC                                    8007740718 (at) skytel (dot) come  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:43:33 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>7 Subject: Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE - does't survive reboots 6 Message-ID: <40721955.5D2764EF@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Chuck Chopp wrote: > J > I've been doing Google searches and looking over the FAQ and I think I'mJ > either outright failing to find the obvious or else something strange is > going on.. > K > I just finished setting up an AlphaServer DS10L as a hobbyist system witheK > OpenVMS Alpha v7.3-1.  Shortly after a reboot, I'm getting OPCOM messageseJ > indicating that the logical name SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE is not defined.  SureM > enough, it is not defined.  After re-running UCT$TIME_SETUP.COM, I see thattJ > the logical name is defined but after a reboot it is undefined again.  IN > thought that the time zone settings that were chosen by running that commandI > procedure were supposed to be re-used at each reboot, but obviously I'md) > missing something in my system startup.e > # > What's the part that I'm missing?n  . $ sea sys$sTartup:*.com tdf$utc_startup/nowarn   ******************************5 SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]VMS$BASEENVIRON-050_VMS.COM;1r  8 $if f$search("SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM") .nes. ""! $@SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COMb2 $write sys$output "%SYSTEM-W-OPENIN, error opening! @SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM"   ; It's supposed to be invoked as shown during system startup.a   I'd log a call...i   -- r David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems$ http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2004 22:06:58 -0500s- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE - does't survive rebootsi3 Message-ID: <zyErMWZtUDqG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <ZTHcc.13621$uu4.6080@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> writes:  J > Some people erroneously place the definition of the NET$DISABLE_DTSS in I > someplace other than SYLOGICALS.com.  Not placing it in SYLOGICALS.COM oJ > will cause the system to not use the SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM to J > not be executed.  I have some ssytems (being corrected as I write) that 0 > defined this logical in NET$STARTUP.  But the I > SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]VMS$BASEENVIRON-050_VMS.COM procedure executes h* > before anything else, except SYLOGICALS. > D > So, you may see that it is defined, but where did you define it???  / $ search sys$manager:sylogicals.com disable_dtsm2 $       DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE NET$DISABLE_DTSS 1    F But of course looking back at this thread you should see that I am not seeing a problem in this area.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:26:10 -0500e@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>/ Subject: Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTPa6 Message-ID: <40720732.9F029C11@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote: > 8 > In article <407048C9.B158DB9D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,E >  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: & > > This mostly for future Googlers... > >y
 > > Versions:I& > > OpenVMS               V7.3, V7.3-1 > > Multinet      V4.4 Rev A-X > >wL > > After some research, including an old post claiming to be the definitiveG > > reference on the topic, I came up with this sequence of events that2G > > worked very well for me on 4-Apr-2004. Use SYSMAN to propagate thisWF > > across a cluster by placing these commands in a DCL proc. that can- > > easily be invoked using SYSMAN's DO verb.  > >:$ > >  1. Stop the XNTP_SERVER process > >NB > >       Do this using STOP/ID - it is _NOT_ necessary to disable+ > >       XNTP in MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVERN >  > $ mult netc xntp shutdown. >  > >R1 > >  2. Remove the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical name  > > = > >       It's DEFINEd/SYSTEM/EXEC by an image invoked during H > >       SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM. The proc. expects the logical) > >       name to not already be DEFINEd.C > >O/ > >       $ DEASS/SYSTEM/EXEC SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE  > >N3 > >  3. Advance/retard the system clock by one hourO > >/< > >       $ IF    F$TRNLNM( "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" ) > >       $ THEN) > >       $       TIME_DELTA := -01:00:00s > >       $ ELSE) > >       $       TIME_DELTA := +01:00:00i > >       $ ENDIFw  > >       $ SET TIME=&TIME_DELTA > > . > >  4. Invoke SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM > >., > >       $ @SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM > >t: > >       Remember that #2 above is pre-requisite to this! > >  > >  5. Restart XNTP > >o" > >       $ @MULTINET:START_SERVER >  > $ mult netc xntp start >  > >r? > >       When doing this in a cluster, remember to submit this0E > >       command to batch and it does not work reliably from SYSMAN.  > > L > > Then, verify that the system clock and the associated SYS$*TIME* logical( > > names are all correct and remain so. > >  > > It worked for me...c > >i > ! > No special maneuvering, just...  > . > o VMS 7.3+ time keeping correctly configured: >   (tdf and timezone as evidenced by SYS$*TIME* logicals)' > o system logical NET$DISABLE_DTSS = 1a( > o SYSGEN parameter AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV = 1) > o XNTP configured and maintaining clockn >  > It worked for me...m  F Thanx for the items above (Multinet documentation leaves a *LOT* to be
 desired!).  H Be careful of applications (such as those typically found in healthcare)E that don't take kindly to sudden, un-coordiated jumps in system time. F You can hose your data royally. You can also end up in some pretty hotE regulatory water. Just a couple of the reasons why we do time changesh	 manually.n   -- S David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/S   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:29:52 -0500w@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>/ Subject: Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTPv6 Message-ID: <40720810.92DD45E1@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Jack Fortune wrote:y > : > On 5 Apr 04 08:14:10 PST, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote: >  > >n/ > >o VMS 7.3+ time keeping correctly configureda; > >  (tdf and timezone as evidenced by SYS$*TIME* logicals)B( > >o system logical NET$DISABLE_DTSS = 1) > >o SYSGEN parameter AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV = 1m* > >o XNTP configured and maintaining clock > >s > >It worked for me... > H > Having spend most of my workday on Friday trying to sort this all out,G > I got somewhat different advise. We are running VMS 7.3-1, XNTP undere; > Multinet 4.4, and PMDF 6.2 on my Alpha servers. It was my!H > understanding that configuring the AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV SYSGEN parameter toG > "1" will cause the VMS job controller to change the system clock with . > the Daylight Savings Time (DST) time change. > G > I was told by several folks that AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV should be set to "0"sE > when running the Multinet XNTP server - since it changes the systemdG > clock independantly. Can someone from Process confirm (or deny) this?G > H > On our systems, I didn't do anything to interrupt our XNTP server - itE > did pick up the time change automatically. I can't say exactly whennD > (or how quickly) the time changed since I didn't get on the system@ > until about 07:30 local time on Sunday. Does the Multinet XNTPE > server/configuration determine how abruptly the time changes? Or ismE > this more dependant on the other time servers that the system uses?b > F > I was also advised that I would need to "manually" change all of ourA > SYS$TIME* logical names - since Multinet doesn't change them. ICC > submitted a batch job to run SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP with P2 = A > "RULE". I started this job at 2:00 and it failed with a helpful E > message of "utc_mklocaltime failed". I re-ran this procedure when IcG > logged in at 07:30 and it ran without error and changed the 4 logicalTE > names. Perhaps if I had started the batch job at 02:05 or later, ity! > would have run without error...$ > : > From reading these post though, it seems that by settingB > AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV to "1" so that the VMS job controller makes timeD > changes doesn't interfere with running Multinet XNTP to do its own) > thing...is this recommended? Supported?T  C I made some rather interesting discoveries poking around in the UTCM procedures on VMS.  B If AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is set to 1, I would expect JBC to know when toE kick-off the time change via the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical name. Thatn should change the other LNMs.t  G Word I got (don't recall just how) was that Multinet's XNTP will change H the clock, just not predictably. Not sure if it addresses the SYS$*TIME*3 LNMs. I'd suspect not, but couldn't say for sure...t   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:31:00 -05000@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>/ Subject: Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTPo6 Message-ID: <40720854.9B5F3AA9@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:h > : > mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote on 04/05/2004 12:14:10 PM: > : > > In article <407048C9.B158DB9D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,G > >  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:f( > > > This mostly for future Googlers... > > >m > > > Versions:i > > > OpenVMS      V7.3, V7.3-1h > > > Multinet   V4.4 Rev A-Xf > > >nC > > > After some research, including an old post claiming to be the- > definitiveD > > > reference on the topic, I came up with this sequence of events > thatD > > > worked very well for me on 4-Apr-2004. Use SYSMAN to propagate > thisH > > > across a cluster by placing these commands in a DCL proc. that can/ > > > easily be invoked using SYSMAN's DO verb.e > > >r& > > >  1. Stop the XNTP_SERVER process > > >eA > > >    Do this using STOP/ID - it is _NOT_ necessary to disable * > > >    XNTP in MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER > >a > > $ mult netc xntp shutdowne > >I > > >i3 > > >  2. Remove the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical name  > > > < > > >    It's DEFINEd/SYSTEM/EXEC by an image invoked duringG > > >    SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM. The proc. expects the logical ( > > >    name to not already be DEFINEd. > > >b. > > >    $ DEASS/SYSTEM/EXEC SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE > > >t5 > > >  3. Advance/retard the system clock by one hour- > > > : > > >    $ IF   F$TRNLNM( "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" ) > > >    $ THEN.$ > > >    $   TIME_DELTA := -01:00:00 > > >    $ ELSEo$ > > >    $   TIME_DELTA := +01:00:00 > > >    $ ENDIF > > >    $ SET TIME=&TIME_DELTAo > > >y0 > > >  4. Invoke SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM > > >@+ > > >    $ @SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COMH > > >a9 > > >    Remember that #2 above is pre-requisite to this!o > > >h > > >  5. Restart XNTP > > >s! > > >    $ @MULTINET:START_SERVERf > >o > > $ mult netc xntp start > >o > > >h> > > >    When doing this in a cluster, remember to submit thisD > > >    command to batch and it does not work reliably from SYSMAN. > > >eF > > > Then, verify that the system clock and the associated SYS$*TIME*	 > logicale* > > > names are all correct and remain so. > > >h > > > It worked for me...h > > >u > >i# > > No special maneuvering, just...  > >a0 > > o VMS 7.3+ time keeping correctly configured< > >   (tdf and timezone as evidenced by SYS$*TIME* logicals)) > > o system logical NET$DISABLE_DTSS = 1m* > > o SYSGEN parameter AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV = 1+ > > o XNTP configured and maintaining clocku > >_ > > It worked for me...- > I've always had to adjust fori' > $ sho log "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL"=> >    "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "-14400" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)1 > which is "-18000" for EST and as shown for EDT.&2 > Does your method take care of this logical name?  4 See the comments in SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM.   -- - David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems, http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 06 Apr 2004 19:20:03 GMT+ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@MARS.Family>B Subject: Re: VMS?_/ Message-ID: <slrnc760n4.oa.thierry@MARS.Family>   3 On 2004-04-06, Charlie Hammond <hammond@not> wrote:h5 > In article <N6$R1j0QN5kP@eisner.encompasserve.org>,_1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:_ >> >>> What's the future? >>& >>There will be strife in the Mideast. >:" > And stock prices will fluctuate.   And there will be a spoon.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:16:42 -0400/ From: "Rodney Kelp" <rodneykelp605@hotmail.com> 
 Subject: VMS?e1 Message-ID: <O8KdnXSaPJ8mR-zdRVn-hQ@adelphia.com>d  8 Is Open VMS still supported? Does DecWindows still suck? What's the future?     ---g& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.592 / Virus Database: 375 - Release Date: 2/18/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:40:29 -0500m@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: VMS? 6 Message-ID: <4072189D.A79BC4A2@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Rodney Kelp wrote: >  > Is Open VMS still supported?    See http://www.hp.com/go/openvms   > Does DecWindows still suck?r   Depends.   > What's the future?    See http://www.hp.com/go/openvms   -- i David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systemsz http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:01:38 +0200, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>5 Subject: Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100d: Message-ID: <c4uuu2$2nja1r$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  * "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply"5 <helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de> schreef in berichtt news:c4ula3$8cu$3@online.de...5 > In article <KLaHLcL1rU2v@eisner.encompasserve.org>,61 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:j >:, > > >> The Infoserver is a remote CD-server. > > >-K > > > OK, but with just one CD in it, and for use only in a VMS cluster, it K > > > seems to make more sense to just MSCP serve it from one of the nodes./ > >oA > > Not if you want to do an initial boot from it to install VMS.t >hH > Right.  Let me rephrase my question: if one is using only VMS systems,I > all of which have a drive from which VMS can be installed locally (i.e.iF > a CD drive or a disk drive with an /IMAGE backup of the installationG > CD), is there any advantage to an InfoServer compared to MSCP servingr > the devices? >nI Not really. Hardware may fail as Larry pointed out but that might just as-' well happen to the Inforserver as well.1J The Infoserver was useful when systems were expensive and you did not want to loose an expensive Alpha7 just for serving CD's.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 01:40:14 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk5 Subject: Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100 ) Message-ID: <c4t1pu$d76$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   x In article <c4sa0f$il9$1@online.de>, helbig@gladia.robots.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:H >In article <c4pvmm$2lruov$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Hans Vlems"# ><hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> writes: i >r) >> The Infoserver is a remote CD-server. j >:G >OK, but with just one CD in it, and for use only in a VMS cluster, it tF >seems to make more sense to just MSCP serve it from one of the nodes. >BK Generally an Infoserver would have a whole lot of CD drives attached to it.n3 We use ours to serve out the VMS documentation CDs.   N Also some of the early alpha systems didn't have a built in CD drive hence the. infoserver was very useful for those systems.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University  ) >> If they fit, the power supplies may beO >> swapped.d >s >Good to know. >zK >> Just check the power ratings. The VXT1200 is certainly smaller than a VS  >> 3100-48, so it mayrL >> have different power ratings. A VAX needs power for internal disks that a >> VXT does not have.a >s
 >Sorry, 1300.  >g9 >> Send me an email Phillip and I'll put the image on the  >> FTP server. >h; >I have the software; I was just wondering about the setup.e >o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:35:37 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>U= Subject: Re: [OT]: Franken-food   was Re: OpenVMS for POWER!? , Message-ID: <4071d135_2@corp.newsgroups.com>  7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messageK4 news:c4sfkn$2loeps$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de... > John Smith wrote:n; > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagel' > > news:4070FFDB.6C272651@istop.com...o > >l > >>Paul Sture wrote:  > >>E > >>>Typical French :-) They bring food into all sorts of phrases and H > >>>sayings. IIRC "reinventing the wheel" comes out as "reinventing the- > >>>butter cutting wire", by way of example.k > >>L > >>Hey, don't blast the french. Without good food and good beverages, human > >e > > life > >e) > >>would not be possible on this planet.r > >e > > K > > [OT]: All the more reason to boycott 'Franken-food', a.k.a. Monsanto et ) > > al.'s efforts to reduce biodiversity.s >hH > Hmm. Is Monsanto a French company? I do know that when the French wereJ > advertising their so-called "Golden Delicious" apples to the UK (bland -A > tasted of water, but little else), I didn't see them in France.r     AFIAK Monsanto is US owned.   L They are the wonderful company that wants the world's poorest farmers to buyK their seed crop each year because their 'licensing agreement' prohibits theeK use of prior year's to be sown in subsequent years. A 'shrink-wrap' licenset
 to starve.  J They are also the company that will sue farmers who don't use Monstanto GML crops for having trace quantities of Monsanto's GM products in their fields,K ie. wind-blown seed and animal-born seeds that drop in a non-Monsanto fieldtJ and germinate. These guys make the RIAA look like a bunch of boy scouts as6 they will happily bankrupt a farmer who does no wrong.  G A relatively recent case in western Canada is case-in-point - MonstantopI Franken-grain sown by a farmer on one side of a road cross-contaminated a-K different farmer's field on the other side of the county road. Not all seed@J that passes through the digestive tracts of crows et al. are digested; notK all seed that is carted off by a bird or small mammal is eaten on the spot;o$ hence cross-contamination of fields.  I  The contaminated area consisted of a narrow strip adjacent to the road -nJ consistent with birds flying across the road and sitting on fenceposts andG rails eating their stolen grain, other small animals carrying off smalle@ quantities of grain, or wind-blown grain. That the farmer didn'tK deliberately sow Franken-crops didn't stop Monsanto from suing his ass off.-L Hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees and a confiscated crop later, guess who is broke?l  K Pity the poor farmer who carefully cultivates his organic crops only to seet( his fields contaminated by GM organisms.          > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!s? -----==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----w   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.192 ************************e patching my PWS on 20-April at home.  I will attempt to get the PWS % to power up (and possibly reboot) by:    Setting auto_action to RESTART  J Leaving the power button pushed in after shutting the system down.  I willO then pull the plug from the back of the machine, and re-attach it.  If all goes @ well, the machine will (at least) power up, and may even reboot.  - Perhaps ^`Szⴿc\y>u1!o)t$,1"w0"b9>
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