1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 07 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 193       Contents: 40 years of IBM Mainframes RE: 40 years of IBM Mainframes7 Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI 7 Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI  Re: CXX 6.5-039 problem  Re: DCL Coding Standards1 HP-Interex EMEA Conference in Munich 3-6 May-2004  Re: Loss of a VMS legend6 Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler Re: OpenVMS for POWER!? - Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon - Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon - Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon 9 Re: OT - VAT in EU & Outsourced customer service - Amazon  Re: OT: fingerprint processing Plain text or HTML? - Possible daylight savings time change problem 1 Re: Possible daylight savings time change problem 1 Re: Possible daylight savings time change problem  Re: SIMH V3.2 released Re: SIMH V3.2 released Re: SIMH V3.2 released RE: SIMH V3.2 released& Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?& Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP Re: VMS? Re: VMS? Re: VMS?4 Re: [OT]: Franken-food   was Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Apr 2004 05:19:55 -0700 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)# Subject: 40 years of IBM Mainframes = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404070419.3a4c73f3@posting.google.com>    Click     1 http://news.com.com/2100-1001-5186020.html?tag=nl      (...)     @ Last year, the company sold 2,700 mainframes for $4.3 billion in@ revenue, according to IDC. That was up from 2,300 systems and $4A billion in 2002, despite predictions that mainframe revenue would E start declining. Last year, these machines made up about one-third of ? the industry total of servers priced at more than $500,000, and 6 accounted for about one-third of IBM's server revenue.     (...)       B By the way, I would like to see the values of OpenVMS sales too !    Regards    FC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:05:45 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: RE: 40 years of IBM Mainframes 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAEPNDAAA.tom@kednos.com>      -----Original Message-----7   From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br] )   Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 5:20 AM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com %   Subject: 40 years of IBM Mainframes          Click       3   http://news.com.com/2100-1001-5186020.html?tag=nl          (...)       B   Last year, the company sold 2,700 mainframes for $4.3 billion inB   revenue, according to IDC. That was up from 2,300 systems and $4C   billion in 2002, despite predictions that mainframe revenue would G   start declining. Last year, these machines made up about one-third of A   the industry total of servers priced at more than $500,000, and 8   accounted for about one-third of IBM's server revenue.   B That must be the iron only, and not include software and services.      (...)          D   By the way, I would like to see the values of OpenVMS sales too !    	   Regards       FC      --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:42:38 GMT 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>@ Subject: Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI/ Message-ID: <2aPcc.206063$_w.1962688@attbi_s53>    Brian Tillman wrote:   > Martin wrote:   H >>I think my first hurdle is to create VMS usernames up to 32 charactersF >>long - using $setuai service. Its been a long time since I cut cobolE >>code (cobol is the only compiler we have) and was wondering is some C >>kind soul out there could throw me some code where they have done  >>this before.    L > While the UAF field for USERNAME is, in fact 32 characters, there are manyM > places within the VMS code that allow for only 12 characters.  For example, N > AUTHORIZE will not allow you to add a username larger that 12 characters.  IN > do believe there are JIB fields that contain the username and only allow for > 12 characters.  F Around the VMS 4.x days I had account where usernames were supposed toF match our last name.  Mine is 14 letters.  After a few tries I finally? got a working account.  Even though it was 12, I could type 14.   @ At some point later, maybe around VMS 5.0, that stopped working.  : Then I believe the system manager tried to put 14 letters,= but it never worked right.   It seems like some things worked  and some didn't.  D On the first try for my account the directory name didn't agree withF the directory my account was set up for.  If I remember right, it had ? only nine letters, but somehow the wrong nine in the first try.    -- glen    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:01:47 +0400 : From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>@ Subject: Re: COBOL source code to create usersnames using SETUAI3 Message-ID: <35D8223EB09405A888379C92651C2CB5@nntp>   7 SETUAI cannot be used to create VMS accounts in SYSUAF.   
 Martin wrote:    > Hi,  > D > I'm on vms 7.3-1 and need to start testing external authenticationG > from our alpha's with Active directory, probably using something like  > ldap.  > H > I think my first hurdle is to create VMS usernames up to 32 charactersF > long - using $setuai service. Its been a long time since I cut cobolE > code (cobol is the only compiler we have) and was wondering is some H > kind soul out there could throw me some code where they have done this	 > before.  >  > Thanx,	 > Martin.  >    --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+D Delta Telecom Inc., NMT-450i, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operatorE Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 116-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:30:52 +0200 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>   Subject: Re: CXX 6.5-039 problem+ Message-ID: <c4tmbv$n5l$1@bozon2.softax.pl>    Bob Koehler wrote:g > In article <c4s661$92a$1@bozon2.softax.pl>, Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> writes:  > I >>Many thanks. I call cxx$set_version.com before each cxx command and it   >>works. But we J >>did simple test. It looks like a bug. When I set CXX version and try to  >>compile in subprocces  >>error occurs.  >  > J >    You set the version in the parent process and tried to do the compileJ >    in the subprocess.  It looks like something gets out of synch between
 >    the two.  > 7 >    You don't happen to have a DCL symbol for spawn as . >    spawn/nological_names or spawn/nosymbols? >   D SPAWN was SPAWN only. CXX* logicals (set by cxx$set_version.com) in  process and subprocess1 are the same. So I don't understand what is that.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:28:24 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards - Message-ID: <c4u7p6$1bre$1@news.cybercity.dk>    Paul Sture wrote:  > Charlie Hammond wrote:@ >>>> 6) don't use "goto depending on" (cobol guys know what I am
 >>>> saying).  >>> D >>> Do you mean not to use something like $ GOTO _'F$MODE()' !?  Why >>> not? >> >>0 >> So far as I know, there is nothing wrong with >>/ >>     GO TO { proc-name } ... DEPENDING ON num  >> > H > IMO nothing wrong at all. But for dyed in the wool "thou shalt not useC > GO TO" advocates (and I have seen coding standards which had this 7 > rule, though many years ago), there is EVALUATE. E.g:  >  > EVALUATE ITEMA >   WHEN 1 PERFORM ACTION-1  >   WHEN 2 PERFORM ACTION-2  >   .  >   .  >   . % >   WHEN OTHER PERFORM SOMETHING-ELSE  > END-EVALUATE.  >  >   ' Indeed (though it has some limitations.   G Also, the  "thou shalt not use GO TO" bigots would do well to read some G literature on the subject of structured programming.  The GO TO is most L commonly expressly allowed (it is in the PASCAL standard IIRC), specifically& as a branch on the way to termination.   IF RETURN_STATUS IS SUCCESS  THEN    do something  ELSE   GO TO ERROR_EXIT END-IF  K or something similar.  GOTOs are fine, and impenetrabel code can be written D in any language, or is that FORTRAN can be written in any language ?  
 Dr. Dweeb.  F >> providing that "num" is clear from the immediately preceeding code. >>4 >>     ALTER { proc TO [ PROCEED TO ] new-proc } ... >>E >> Is the construct to avoid.  (It exists because it was necessary to F >> provide acceptable levels of performance in early COBOL compilers.) >>* >> W.R.T. DCL, there is nothing wrong with >> >>     GOTO <variable> >>E >> when the <variable> is clear from the immediately preceeding code. 4 >> This is analogous to GO TO ...DEPENDING in Cobol. >>F >> However, if <variable> is set in some distant code -- or, worse, inF >> any of serveraly distant code paths -- then it is more analogous to >> the* >> ALTER statement, and should be avoided. >> > E > I used this all the time before the introduction of GOSUB and CALL. G > Agreed, the trick was to apply some discipline as to where <variable> 	 > is set.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:00:06 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>: Subject: HP-Interex EMEA Conference in Munich 3-6 May-2004. Message-ID: <c511h3$1006$1@biggoron.nerim.net>  =  From http://www.hp-interex.org/site/cms/eventsSplashView.asp   
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 Anders Wallin   + ===========================================    $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO ERR_UNX ...  ... 
 <faulty line>  ...  ....  	 $ERR_UNX: / $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Status code is: ''$STATUS'" ; $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Error occured on line " + <faulty line>  ...    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Apr 2004 06:01:09 -0700 - From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)   Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0404070501.2028f1c7@posting.google.com>   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<uW1SC4TY19KV@eisner.encompasserve.org>...{ > In article <406CD823.2DC8D2B9@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  > > JF Mezei wrote:  > >>   > >> "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: P > >> > Ah, yes, however given todays date (a previous victim me) I would suggestO > >> > that these are comic rather than real.  It is a no brainer to generate a 3 > >> > valid key once you have a keygen utility :-)  > >>  Q > >> Yeah, but what is important is that there would be folks inside HP who would N > >> consider it "nice" to make believe VMS was being ported to AMD and Power. > > L > > What we and HP need are people inside who believe it would be PROFITABLE/ > > to not just port it, but market it as well!  > " > Not if that assertion is untrue. > J > I have seen nothing in this newsgroup proving that advertising VMS would > be profitable.  B Larry, I am surprised at you.  Few things in life are guaranteed. @ This is especially true with advertising.  I doubt anybody could@ "prove" it.  So, asking for proof is asking for the impossible. C However, it seems clear with past examples like OS/2 v Windows that < highly visible and frequent advertising will generate sales.   JMOD   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:36:41 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>6 Subject: Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon, Message-ID: <c4tmm8$rjq$1@news.cybercity.dk>   Nigel Barker wrote: F > On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:53:02 +0200, "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote: > 	 >> Folks,  >>E >> The Dweeb has purchased some books at Amazon.co.uk, and since I am E >> VAT registered, I should not have to pay VAT on these professional  >> volumes.  > D > Isn't the way that it works that you pay the VAT & then reclaim it" > when you submit your VAT return?    No.  See my earlier explanation.  % > In any case the VAT on books in the F > UK is 0% so I assume that you are outside the UK, in fact I just sawC > the .dk in your header. What is the VAT rate on books in Denmark?  >   L 25% like everything else (except the exceptions of which there are very few)  G > What annoys me is that when I order from amazon.co.uk for delivery in C > the UK I pay 0% VAT. If I order for delivery in France then I pay F > 5.5% TVA. The normal rule is that you pay sales tax where the onlineE > retailer is based so if I order from amazon.com I also pay no sales C > tax but delivery charges will be higher. I have ordered from many F > other retailers in the UK for delivery in France & only ever pay VATB > at UK rate (normally 19.5 vs 20.5 so no big deal) it's only withE > books that it grates a bit. I guess it's some special multinational A > deal that Amazon UK have struck with the EU but it's a bit odd.   E This seems unusual and a departure from the general rule, that VAT is ? leviable at the source of the goods. It also seems unusual that J England->France sales would be different from England->any-other-EU sales.  K Since Amazon seem to think that a purchaser in denmark does not need to pay J VAT, this would suggest that there is no general EU rule applicable - justD the fact that they cannot deal with it in their IT systems directly.  J Since a UK company cannot levy TVA on sales executed in the UK (only VAT),L am I to understand that the TVA is being levied locally at point of entry by the French authorities ?  I Were I you I would make a polite inquiry with my local tax authorities to I find out the REAL legal situation - because clearly I do not put too much I faith in Amazons 3rd. world support personel to know the answer, and your  case sounds a little bizarre.   I Btw.  Amazon now claim to have refunded me my VAT (it has not hit my bank K account yet).  They have also given me a small denomination voucher for use  with my next purchase     	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 04:09:18 -0300 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon) Message-ID: <4072576F.A1F7543E@istop.com>    "Dr. Dweeb" wrote:L > Since a UK company cannot levy TVA on sales executed in the UK (only VAT),N > am I to understand that the TVA is being levied locally at point of entry by > the French authorities ?  M In Canada, this is how it works generally. If you have stuff shipped from the L USA, there is no customs anymore (free trade), but the courier/postal systemL will knock at your door to collect the GST (VAT) of the imported gizmo. Now,M due to the volumes of shipments, the post office for instance, doesn't really 5 bother with anything less than $20 of declared value.   L However, some US mail order outfits actually have canadian registrations andN will charge you GST, and indicate on the waybill that the GST has already beenI collected, so the package then flows through customs without any delay of H processing. The US outfit then sends the collected taxes to the canadian  government at regular intervals.  K In the EU however, because of the number of countries involved, it wouldn't K make sense to expect a UK outfit to have VAT accounts with every country in 7 the EU and then collect taxes specific to each country.   L Also, if A collects 4 euros in VAT and gives it to the UK government, when BK makes its tax declaration to the french government and needs to have that 4 M euros refunded, the french government can't really refund that amount because I it never actually collected it and has no way to get the UK government to  transfer it.  N So it makes sense that sales across the border would be VAT free, and that theP destination's VAT would then be collected at the border by the shipping company.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:42:55 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com6 Subject: Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - AmazonQ Message-ID: <OF944B61CC.5293FF69-ON85256E6F.00504439-85256E6F.0050E5CC@metso.com>   + This is a multipart message in MIME format. " --=_alternative 0050E5CA85256E6F_=, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"  K hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote on 04/05/2004 11:04:29   AM:   F > On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:53:02 +0200, "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote: >  > >... The normal H > >rule is that you pay sales tax where the online retailer is based ... > @ > In the USA, sales tax is payable based on the ship-to address. > I > If the shipper does not have a presence in the ship-to state, sales tax F > is typically not collected.  It can be argued that the purchaser is J > obligated to pay, but as a practical matter, this doesn't happen because4 > the cost to collect small amounts is prohibitive.   J Actually, here in Mass. they included a way to pay the "use tax" on goods H purchased out-of-state for use in-state with the state income tax.  The D use-tax law here states that you are supposed to report and pay any K difference between the sales tax actually paid and the state rate, so even    F if you pay a lower sales tax out-of-state you are supposed to pay the G difference to Mass.  No credit is allowed if you actually pay a higher   rate  E in some other state.  As a practical matter, I would not expect much   revenue & to be raise this way from individuals.   > On the other hand,I > if you purchase a car in state A and take delivery in state B, you WILL . > pay state B's sales tax (and not state A's).  I Here the sales tax on a vehicle is collected not at point-of-sale by the  H seller (as on everything else), but by the RMV at registration, paid to  the J state.  So here the sales tax is paid where the vehicle is registered, if  newly purchased.     >  > --  H >       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USA H >           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)A >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my   employer's.  >   " --=_alternative 0050E5CA85256E6F_=+ Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"      <br>H <br><font size=2><tt>hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote on 04/05/2004 11:04:29 AM:<br> <br>R &gt; On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:53:02 +0200, &quot;Dr. Dweeb&quot; &lt;dr@dweeb.com&gt;
 wrote:<br>	 &gt; <br>  &gt; &gt;... The normal<br> J &gt; &gt;rule is that you pay sales tax where the online retailer is based ..<br>	 &gt; <br> G &gt; In the USA, sales tax is payable based on the ship-to address.<br> 	 &gt; <br> H &gt; If the shipper does not have a presence in the ship-to state, sales tax<br> J &gt; is typically not collected. &nbsp;It can be argued that the purchaser is <br> Q &gt; obligated to pay, but as a practical matter, this doesn't happen because<br> I &gt; the cost to collect small amounts is prohibitive. &nbsp;</tt></font>  <br>G <br><font size=2><tt>Actually, here in Mass. they included a way to pay - the &quot;use tax&quot; on goods </tt></font> K <br><font size=2><tt>purchased out-of-state for use in-state with the state " income tax. &nbsp;The </tt></font>L <br><font size=2><tt>use-tax law here states that you are supposed to report and pay any </tt></font>G <br><font size=2><tt>difference between the sales tax actually paid and $ the state rate, so even </tt></font>F <br><font size=2><tt>if you pay a lower sales tax out-of-state you are  supposed to pay the </tt></font>F <br><font size=2><tt>difference to Mass. &nbsp;No credit is allowed if+ you actually pay a higher rate </tt></font> F <br><font size=2><tt>in some other state. &nbsp;As a practical matter,, I would not expect much revenue </tt></font>G <br><font size=2><tt>to be raise this way from individuals.</tt></font>  <br>0 <br><font size=2><tt>&gt; On the other hand,<br>G &gt; if you purchase a car in state A and take delivery in state B, you  WILL<br>5 &gt; pay state B's sales tax (and not state A's).<br>  </tt></font>H <br><font size=2><tt>Here the sales tax on a vehicle is collected not at! point-of-sale by the </tt></font> F <br><font size=2><tt>seller (as on everything else), but by the RMV at& registration, paid to the </tt></font>I <br><font size=2><tt>state. &nbsp;So here the sales tax is paid where the & vehicle is registered, if </tt></font>1 <br><font size=2><tt>newly purchased.</tt></font>  <br> <br> <br><font size=2><tt>&gt; <br> &gt; -- <br>G &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- $ Ft Lauderdale &nbsp;FL &nbsp;USA<br>G &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- * remove &quot;@not&quot; when replying)<br>O &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily  my employer's.<br>	 &gt; <br>  </tt></font>$ --=_alternative 0050E5CA85256E6F_=--   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:32:18 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>B Subject: Re: OT - VAT in EU & Outsourced customer service - Amazon- Message-ID: <c4u4fu$18mb$1@news.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote:  > "Dr. Dweeb" wrote:G >> Since a UK company cannot levy TVA on sales executed in the UK (only C >> VAT), am I to understand that the TVA is being levied locally at - >> point of entry by the French authorities ?  > F > In Canada, this is how it works generally. If you have stuff shippedA > from the USA, there is no customs anymore (free trade), but the B > courier/postal system will knock at your door to collect the GSTD > (VAT) of the imported gizmo. Now, due to the volumes of shipments,C > the post office for instance, doesn't really bother with anything " > less than $20 of declared value. > < > However, some US mail order outfits actually have canadianD > registrations and will charge you GST, and indicate on the waybillD > that the GST has already been collected, so the package then flowsE > through customs without any delay of processing. The US outfit then A > sends the collected taxes to the canadian government at regular  > intervals. > D > In the EU however, because of the number of countries involved, itE > wouldn't make sense to expect a UK outfit to have VAT accounts with  > every country in9 > the EU and then collect taxes specific to each country.  >   $ That is why they changed the rules !  G > Also, if A collects 4 euros in VAT and gives it to the UK government, E > when B makes its tax declaration to the french government and needs C > to have that 4 euros refunded, the french government can't really F > refund that amount because it never actually collected it and has no. > way to get the UK government to transfer it. >   L You need to apply to the UK Inland Revenue.  This is how it used to work forD all transactions, and still does for some types of transactions.  InJ practice it was very difficult to get money back from some jurisdictions - trust me, I know.   I I have recently received GBP back from the UK Inland Revenue for example.   E An example of such a transaction we would be training courses.  An HP I training course delivered in UK by HP UK and charged to a French customer I would include UK VAT.  The French customer would then make a claim to the A Inland Revenue for a refund - it takes 4-6 months for processing.   G > So it makes sense that sales across the border would be VAT free, and E > that the destination's VAT would then be collected at the border by  > the shipping company.   I Yes.  However if it comes via a courier, they often charge an arm and leg L for doing the VAT paperwork.  One needs to check with the courier service on this.   	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:52:42 GMT ( From: Phaeton   <spameater@spam.invalid>' Subject: Re: OT: fingerprint processing 8 Message-ID: <uducc.4860$KS1.258630@nasal.pacific.net.au>  / Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:  [...snip...] > K > Why waste time with fingerprint or eye scanning ? I prefer the DNA tests.   B 	It ( still ) takes time, Fabio. Don't worry, as soon as it can be- 	done in a very short time they will do it...  							Cheers,  Csaba   J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:   +  Happiness is merely the remission of pain.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 06:55:20 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Plain text or HTML?9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEPJDAAA.tom@kednos.com>   H In checking reject mail file came across the following.  I was under theD impression that postings were to be in plain text.  If so, shouldn't SAIC reject such mail?  @  6-APR-2004 17:51:26.90:  MX SMTP server: rejected message from A  <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com> sent by [198.151.12.104] due to  <  RFC822 header rule [Content-Type: text/html*] [rule id 122] --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:38:07 -05001 From: "Grealy, Patrick" <PGrealy@sph.uth.tmc.edu> 6 Subject: Possible daylight savings time change problemL Message-ID: <EEC575D39D864C4BBAE8CD309982B0F2081734@sphnt33.sph.uth.tmc.edu>  A Is it possible that the time change caused the following problem: H Sunday morning our two clustered DS10s each had the TCPIP$BIND process =G eating up 99% of cpu. When I could finally login and shutdown BIND, a = E symbiont process running DCPS took over the cpu. I finally restored = J normalcy by shutting down queue manager and restarting it. This is a new =G system, running for about two months now. We've got OpenVMS 7.3-1 and = F Compaq TCP/IP 5.3 with the two DS10s clustered using a shared quorum =D disk in a storage shelf. We do not run Multinet other than Process =. Software's SSH server for VMS. Thanks - Pat G.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:13:26 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>: Subject: Re: Possible daylight savings time change problem: Message-ID: <c515qo$2ncv4p$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Grealy, Patrick wrote:: > Is it possible that the time change caused the following problem:5 > Sunday morning our two clustered DS10s each had the 
 TCPIP$BIND> > process eating up 99% of cpu. When I could finally login and shutdown< > BIND, a symbiont process running DCPS took over the cpu. I finally 6 > restored normalcy by shutting down queue manager and restarting it.9 > This is a new system, running for about two months now. 	 We've got 8 > OpenVMS 7.3-1 and Compaq TCP/IP 5.3 with the two DS10s	 clustered > > using a shared quorum disk in a storage shelf. We do not run Multinet< > other than Process Software's SSH server for VMS. Thanks - Pat G.  = You need V7.3-1 Update V2 and TDF V3 (which was release March : 22). But then again V7.3 Update V1 (which included TDF V1)< claimed to have fixed this, and TDF V2 claimed to have fixed; this. The Australians will have to tell us if TDF V3 reallyo fixed this next October. :)C   -- : Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.B Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXe www.weaverconsulting.cas   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:04:14 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>: Subject: Re: Possible daylight savings time change problem: Message-ID: <c51cag$2n760b$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Peter Weaver wrote:E > Grealy, Patrick wrote:D >> Is it possible that the time change caused the following problem:A >> Sunday morning our two clustered DS10s each had the TCPIP$BINDiH >> process eating up 99% of cpu. When I could finally login and shutdownE >> BIND, a symbiont process running DCPS took over the cpu. I finally F >> restored normalcy by shutting down queue manager and restarting it.D >> This is a new system, running for about two months now. We've gotC >> OpenVMS 7.3-1 and Compaq TCP/IP 5.3 with the two DS10s clustered:H >> using a shared quorum disk in a storage shelf. We do not run MultinetD >> other than Process Software's SSH server for VMS. Thanks - Pat G. >W? > You need V7.3-1 Update V2 and TDF V3 (which was release March-< > 22). But then again V7.3 Update V1 (which included TDF V1)> > claimed to have fixed this, and TDF V2 claimed to have fixed= > this. The Australians will have to tell us if TDF V3 reallyg > fixed this next October. :)n  E I just got a voice mail from the HP saying that these patches did noteB fix the problem. They expect another patch next September/October.   -- D Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.o Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXs www.weaverconsulting.cao   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:28:40 GMTo# From: ian@beathoven.com (paramucho)c Subject: Re: SIMH V3.2 releasedc3 Message-ID: <407a3e58.10829379@news.ozemail.com.au>   5 On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 04:00:36 GMT, glen herrmannsfeldtu <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:e   >Roert G. Schaffrath wrote: >- >> Bob Supnik wrote: >7. >>>SIMH V3.2 was released today, on the web at! >>>http://simh.trailing-edge.com.r >f" >>>Among the features of interest: >BH >>>1. VAX - extended memory support.  Simulated memory can be configured+ >>>up to 512MB for VMS, Ultrix, and NetBSD.o >>> - RXV21 support. >,I >> This sounds great except now I'll have to reboot my 3.1 emulator which I >> has been running continously for 14+ days.  Nah, I'll upgrade when the0! >> Windows host finally gives up!. > ? >Not so many days.  I recently had to reboot my FreeBSD machine B >that was up for 738 days.  The power company wanted to change the
 >transformer.i >oE >There was a story about TOPS-10 error something like UPTOLONG if thee& >machine is up too many days in a row.  B I had a support call for a host/satellite system of mine once. TheF host transfer count display was screwing up they said. They were local@ so I went to have a look at it and sure enough the number wasn'tB translating right. "How long since you booted?" I asked. It'd beenE over a year. That wasn't particularly unusual in some environments at . that time. The host was an RT-11-based system.  E On average, the box in front of me needs rebooting two or three times:F and when it doesn't the power takes a dip and does it for me. The joys of the country.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:18:36 GMTm6 From: Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.Invalid> Subject: Re: SIMH V3.2 released-8 Message-ID: <m6t470tf5l2139ielj8n60npqbfcn1qq2q@4ax.com>  D On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:28:40 GMT in alt.sys.pdp11, ian@beathoven.com (paramucho) wrote:  6 >On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 04:00:36 GMT, glen herrmannsfeldt ><gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote: >  >>Roert G. Schaffrath wrote:  >> >>> Bob Supnik wrote:e >>/ >>>>SIMH V3.2 was released today, on the web ate" >>>>http://simh.trailing-edge.com. >># >>>>Among the features of interest:l >>I >>>>1. VAX - extended memory support.  Simulated memory can be configuredo, >>>>up to 512MB for VMS, Ultrix, and NetBSD. >>>> - RXV21 support.  >>J >>> This sounds great except now I'll have to reboot my 3.1 emulator whichJ >>> has been running continously for 14+ days.  Nah, I'll upgrade when the" >>> Windows host finally gives up! >>@ >>Not so many days.  I recently had to reboot my FreeBSD machineC >>that was up for 738 days.  The power company wanted to change thed >>transformer. >>F >>There was a story about TOPS-10 error something like UPTOLONG if the' >>machine is up too many days in a row.l > C >I had a support call for a host/satellite system of mine once. ThetG >host transfer count display was screwing up they said. They were localbA >so I went to have a look at it and sure enough the number wasn'trC >translating right. "How long since you booted?" I asked. It'd beennF >over a year. That wasn't particularly unusual in some environments at/ >that time. The host was an RT-11-based system.e >iF >On average, the box in front of me needs rebooting two or three timesG >and when it doesn't the power takes a dip and does it for me. The joys  >of the country.  F Over half a million PDP-11 boxes out there at one time and I bet a lot of counters overflowed.   E OTOH when they move Windows to 64 bit platforms, I understand they'llBE still only need 16 high order bits for uptime, the extra 32 bits will / provide greater resolution for crash dumps. ;^>a   --  9 Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis 	Calgary, Alberta, Canadas  F Brian.Inglis@CSi.com 	(Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca),     fake address		use address above to reply   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:58:56 +0200A From: Christian Corti <Christian.Corti@studserv.uni-stuttgart.de>n Subject: Re: SIMH V3.2 releaseds+ Message-ID: <ujbak1-nls.ln1@news.online.de>t  C In alt.sys.pdp11 Bob Supnik <bsupnik@nauticusnet.nospam.com> wrote: - > SIMH V3.2 was released today, on the web at.  > http://simh.trailing-edge.com.  H > 5. LGP30/LGP21 - new simulators of Royal-Mcbee drum/disk based systems  > from the late 50's/early 60's.  H Nice to see this in simh, I will make some comments on this (we have the- only working LGP-30 incl. all docs, SW etc.):-  < - You should not provide a builtin 10.4 replacement into theB   simulator. Instead you have to provide the means to load 9.0 andF   *eventually* 10.4 from tape. This is because there are programs thatH   have to be loaded by 9.0 and uses tracks normally used by 10.4 (tracks   0000 to 0263).  F - You have to provide loading and saving routines for storing the drumE   and registers contents into a file and retrieving it the next time.aH   This is because you can stop a running program, shut down the machine,G   have a nice weekend, and come back next week and restart your programi&   where you have stopped it last time.  ? - You should provide a visual scope and buttons display becausetG   operating a LGP-30 makes heavy use of the console. Even some programssG   (some games for example) need the bitwise display of the registers in*D   order to be usable or pushing a breakpoint or the transfer button.  H - You should have a way to support the two ribbon colors (red and black)   of the Flexowriter.A  A - You urgently need a way to show the user whether the machine is:"   running or waiting for an input.  B - Because of the lack of key accessable button functions (e.g. the%   F-Keys) loading 9.0 is a real pain.e  E - I wasn't able to load a program because the interface is not reallym2   usable and the builtin 10.4 lacks some commands.  G - The first mentions of the LGP-30 are dated from 1954 (or even before)>"   so it is quite an "old" machine.  G BTW I too have written a LGP-30 simulator. It is written in TurboPascall< and runs fine under DOS or in dosemu. I needed one after theH restauration phase of our LGP-30 in order to verify its functions and toB do cross development. It has many nice features like sending FlexoG output to a printer, drum save/restore, etc. I always wanted to make itM public for downloading one day.   	 Christiann   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:13:01 -0400* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: SIMH V3.2 releasedu' Message-ID: <0134C6B5.C22236@yahoo.com>m   Bob Supnik wrote:d  - > SIMH V3.2 was released today, on the web aty  > http://simh.trailing-edge.com.  K Your links to pictures of the Royal McBee LGP machines appear to be broken.R -- X
 Brian Tillmanr   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:54:03 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> / Subject: Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?m0 Message-ID: <%JTcc.2455$LD2.87@news.cpqcorp.net>  K "Andrew Harrison" <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> wrote in messagec* news:c50mno$qs2$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >l; > I am at a loss to understand why you feal that I need youR< > sympathy, look in the mirror you may see someone who needs! > sympathy rather more than I do.l >   . Take a deep breath Andy.  We "feal" your pain.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:57:55 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com/ Subject: Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTPpQ Message-ID: <OF76D978F4.32DDBF9E-ON85256E6F.005206FF-85256E6F.00524570@metso.com>i  + This is a multipart message in MIME format. " --=_alternative 0052456E85256E6F_=, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"  D "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote on  04/05/2004 09:31:00 PM:0   > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:r > > < > > mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote on 04/05/2004 12:14:10 PM: > > < > > > In article <407048C9.B158DB9D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,I > > >  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:I* > > > > This mostly for future Googlers... > > > >  > > > > Versions: ! > > > > OpenVMS      V7.3, V7.3-1I > > > > Multinet   V4.4 Rev A-X4 > > > >lE > > > > After some research, including an old post claiming to be thee > > definitiveF > > > > reference on the topic, I came up with this sequence of events > > thatF > > > > worked very well for me on 4-Apr-2004. Use SYSMAN to propagate > > thisJ > > > > across a cluster by placing these commands in a DCL proc. that can1 > > > > easily be invoked using SYSMAN's DO verb.h > > > >p( > > > >  1. Stop the XNTP_SERVER process > > > >tC > > > >    Do this using STOP/ID - it is _NOT_ necessary to disable , > > > >    XNTP in MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER > > >c > > > $ mult netc xntp shutdown  > > >  > > > > 5 > > > >  2. Remove the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical namee > > > >e> > > > >    It's DEFINEd/SYSTEM/EXEC by an image invoked duringI > > > >    SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM. The proc. expects the logicald* > > > >    name to not already be DEFINEd. > > > >e0 > > > >    $ DEASS/SYSTEM/EXEC SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE > > > >r7 > > > >  3. Advance/retard the system clock by one hourf > > > >g< > > > >    $ IF   F$TRNLNM( "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" ) > > > >    $ THEN & > > > >    $   TIME_DELTA := -01:00:00 > > > >    $ ELSEe& > > > >    $   TIME_DELTA := +01:00:00 > > > >    $ ENDIF! > > > >    $ SET TIME=&TIME_DELTAr > > > >v2 > > > >  4. Invoke SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM > > > > - > > > >    $ @SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COMt > > > >t; > > > >    Remember that #2 above is pre-requisite to this!s > > > >p > > > >  5. Restart XNTP > > > >s# > > > >    $ @MULTINET:START_SERVERl > > >B > > > $ mult netc xntp start > > >i > > > >n@ > > > >    When doing this in a cluster, remember to submit thisF > > > >    command to batch and it does not work reliably from SYSMAN. > > > > H > > > > Then, verify that the system clock and the associated SYS$*TIME* > > logicala, > > > > names are all correct and remain so. > > > >  > > > > It worked for me...e > > > >i > > > % > > > No special maneuvering, just...s > > >a2 > > > o VMS 7.3+ time keeping correctly configured> > > >   (tdf and timezone as evidenced by SYS$*TIME* logicals)+ > > > o system logical NET$DISABLE_DTSS = 1e, > > > o SYSGEN parameter AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV = 1- > > > o XNTP configured and maintaining clocky > > >  > > > It worked for me...u! > > I've always had to adjust for ) > > $ sho log "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL"u@ > >    "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "-14400" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)3 > > which is "-18000" for EST and as shown for EDT.c4 > > Does your method take care of this logical name? > 6 > See the comments in SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM. >    David, c  8 I looked in that procedure, and came back unenlightened.  < Would you please provide me a less cryptic and more verbose  reply.   -Normo > -- e > David J. Dachteral > dba DJE Systemsy > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/v  " --=_alternative 0052456E85256E6F_=+ Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"s     <br>_ <br><font size=2><tt>&quot;David J. Dachtera&quot; &lt;djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net&gt;o$ wrote on 04/05/2004 09:31:00 PM:<br> <br>& &gt; norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:<br> &gt; &gt; <br>F &gt; &gt; mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote on 04/05/2004 12:14:10 PM:<br> &gt; &gt; <br>O &gt; &gt; &gt; In article &lt;407048C9.B158DB9D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net&gt;,<br>o_ &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;&quot;David J. Dachtera&quot; &lt;djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net&gt;  writes:<br>r: &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This mostly for future Googlers...<br> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>e! &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Versions:<br>a@ &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; OpenVMS &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;V7.3, V7.3-1<br>4 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Multinet &nbsp; V4.4 Rev A-X<br> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>wG &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; After some research, including an old post claimingp
 to be the<br>  &gt; &gt; definitive<br>H &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; reference on the topic, I came up with this sequence
 of events<br>a &gt; &gt; that<br>H &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; worked very well for me on 4-Apr-2004. Use SYSMAN to
 propagate<br>o &gt; &gt; this<br>G &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; across a cluster by placing these commands in a DCLa proc. that can<br>A &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; easily be invoked using SYSMAN's DO verb.<br>e &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>a= &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;1. Stop the XNTP_SERVER process<br>  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>hN &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;Do this using STOP/ID - it is _NOT_ necessary to disable<br>F &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;XNTP in MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER<br> &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>, &gt; &gt; &gt; $ mult netc xntp shutdown<br> &gt; &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>nJ &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;2. Remove the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical name<br> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br> M &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;It's DEFINEd/SYSTEM/EXEC by an image invokede
 during<br>K &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM. The proc.o expects the logical<br> D &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;name to not already be DEFINEd.<br> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br> J &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;$ DEASS/SYSTEM/EXEC SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE<br> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>hL &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;3. Advance/retard the system clock by one hour<br> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>=_ &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;$ IF &nbsp; F$TRNLNM( &quot;SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING&quot;  )<br>Y+ &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;$ THEN<br>TE &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;$ &nbsp; TIME_DELTA := -01:00:00<br>-+ &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;$ ELSE<br>:E &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;$ &nbsp; TIME_DELTA := +01:00:00<br>R, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;$ ENDIF<br>? &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;$ SET TIME=&amp;TIME_DELTA<br>  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>nG &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;4. Invoke SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM<br>0 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>hG &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;$ @SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TDF_STARTUP.COM<br>  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>oH &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;Remember that #2 above is pre-requisite to this!<br> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>s- &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;5. Restart XNTP<br>  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br> = &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;$ @MULTINET:START_SERVER<br>  &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>) &gt; &gt; &gt; $ mult netc xntp start<br>u &gt; &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>eG &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;When doing this in a cluster, remember  to submit this<br>F &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;command to batch and it does not work reliably from SYSMAN.<br>  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br> I &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Then, verify that the system clock and the associatedh SYS$*TIME*<br> &gt; &gt; logical<br>l< &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; names are all correct and remain so.<br> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>i+ &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; It worked for me...<br>c &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>k &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>2 &gt; &gt; &gt; No special maneuvering, just...<br> &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>? &gt; &gt; &gt; o VMS 7.3+ time keeping correctly configured<br>iP &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; (tdf and timezone as evidenced by SYS$*TIME* logicals)<br>8 &gt; &gt; &gt; o system logical NET$DISABLE_DTSS = 1<br>9 &gt; &gt; &gt; o SYSGEN parameter AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV = 1<br>-: &gt; &gt; &gt; o XNTP configured and maintaining clock<br> &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>& &gt; &gt; &gt; It worked for me...<br>+ &gt; &gt; I've always had to adjust for<br>b= &gt; &gt; $ sho log &quot;SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL&quot;<br>VQ &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL&quot; = &quot;-14400&quot;  (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)<br>G &gt; &gt; which is &quot;-18000&quot; for EST and as shown for EDT.<br>T> &gt; &gt; Does your method take care of this logical name?<br>	 &gt; <br>o= &gt; See the comments in SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM.<br>  &gt; </tt></font>  <br>( <br><font size=2><tt>David, </tt></font> <br>Y <br><font size=2><tt>I looked in that procedure, and came back unenlightened.</tt></font>r <br>H <br><font size=2><tt>Would you please provide me a less cryptic and more verbose </tt></font>' <br><font size=2><tt>reply.</tt></font>e <br> <br><font size=2><tt>-Norm<br> &gt; -- <br> &gt; David J. Dachtera<br> &gt; dba DJE Systems<br> &gt; http://www.djesys.com/<br>p	 &gt; <br> 1 &gt; Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:<br> ( &gt; http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/<br> </tt></font>$ --=_alternative 0052456E85256E6F_=--   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 06:15:22 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> Subject: Re: VMS?l9 Message-ID: <_Vrcc.118$8P2.73@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   K Is this another prodigal son returning?  If so, welcome back to the best OSi, ever to grace the face of this small planet!   > Is Open VMS still supported?   And actively developed.    >Does DecWindows still suck?   It works like a charm.  8 Come on in, the water is warm and there is room for all!   Matt.u --  = -------------------------------------------------------------a OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyn Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAx= -------------------------------------------------------------s    : "Rodney Kelp" <rodneykelp605@hotmail.com> wrote in message+ news:O8KdnXSaPJ8mR-zdRVn-hQ@adelphia.com...i: > Is Open VMS still supported? Does DecWindows still suck? > What's the future? >a >  > ---t( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.592 / Virus Database: 375 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:48:35 -0300n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: VMS? ) Message-ID: <4072448B.4717D1BD@istop.com>u  , Queensland surfer boy Matt Muggeridge wrote:: > Come on in, the water is warm and there is room for all!    L Hey mate, speak for yourself :-) The waters are still solidly frozen here inA the great white north. Did the locust come to mow your lawn yet ?h  M Seriously though it would be interesting if the original poster elaborated oniN why he thinks DECwindows sucks so bad. I suspect that if he were to look at itN on VAX, he would not see much changes. Burt on Alpha, they switched to CDE and some progress has been made.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:13:44 GMTo0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> Subject: Re: VMS?r: Message-ID: <Y9xcc.585$8P2.152@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  L > Seriously though it would be interesting if the original poster elaborated on' > why he thinks DECwindows sucks so bada   Absolument!t  , > Did the locust come to mow your lawn yet ?  K Our drought is over... yeah!  I now have the joy of washing the car, mowingg% the lawn, watering the garden.... :-/d   -- t= -------------------------------------------------------------o OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyx Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAe= -------------------------------------------------------------a    7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:4072448B.4717D1BD@istop.com...e. > Queensland surfer boy Matt Muggeridge wrote:< > > Come on in, the water is warm and there is room for all! >n >gK > Hey mate, speak for yourself :-) The waters are still solidly frozen heree inC > the great white north. Did the locust come to mow your lawn yet ?a > L > Seriously though it would be interesting if the original poster elaborated onJ > why he thinks DECwindows sucks so bad. I suspect that if he were to look at it-L > on VAX, he would not see much changes. Burt on Alpha, they switched to CDE andc > some progress has been made.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:56:36 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>= Subject: Re: [OT]: Franken-food   was Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?t, Message-ID: <c4tnrr$smd$1@news.cybercity.dk>   glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > John Smith wrote:o >C > (snip) >d@ >> They are the wonderful company that wants the world's poorestD >> farmers to buy their seed crop each year because their 'licensing= >> agreement' prohibits the use of prior year's to be sown ins7 >> subsequent years. A 'shrink-wrap' license to starve.o >h@ >> They are also the company that will sue farmers who don't useB >> Monstanto GM crops for having trace quantities of Monsanto's GMF >> products in their fields, ie. wind-blown seed and animal-born seedsG >> that drop in a non-Monsanto field and germinate. These guys make theuG >> RIAA look like a bunch of boy scouts as they will happily bankrupt ay >> farmer who does no wrong. >eB > By the way, corn is a genetically engineered food.  It came from9 > Teosinte, which is much less edible.   Corn is also nota  1 Genetically engineering != Selective cultivation.d  K Equating selective cultivation with genetic engineering is facile.  Genetic G engineering is about modifying the gentic structure of an organism withuG genes from other organisms, while selective breeding is about producingtE strains of an organism where naturally ocurring, desirable traits arei	 dominant.   K Modern maize is a product of selective cultivation, like a very, very larget+ number of commercially produced food crops.a   Knock yourselves out hereeF http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/3288/index3.html?31%2C24  L Personally, I think GM; is insideous and will bring about the worst disasterK in the history of humankind.  The fact that the US and EU have succombed to I the lobbying is a sad indictment of the quality of our elected officials.aD No one *needs* GM foods except Monsanato and the other GM companies.  
 Dr. Dweeb.  	 Dr. Dweebp  > > well designed for naturally spreading.  If you search on the< > web you can find more about when and where the engineering > was done.y > ) > But what does this have to do with VMS?b >f    Nothing - we wandered off topic.  	 > -- gleni   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.193 ************************