1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 09 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 196       Contents:? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....  Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards" Re: DHCPd - TCPware 5.6-1 question Re: info on hardware details Re: info on hardware details& Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system disk% MYSQL V4-1-1 and PHP 1.2 and CSWS 1.3 : Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler OT: Web site security  Re: SIMH V3.2 released  Re: simple question on shadowing  Re: simple question on shadowing  Re: simple question on shadowing. THE Top 10 List of Worst Business IT Decisions2 Re: THE Top 10 List of Worst Business IT Decisions& Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP& Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP& Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP& Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP Re: TKZ60 and TA90 VMS Security checking software" Re: VMS Security checking software Re: VMS? Re: VMS?, Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100% Re: Yankee Group: Linux Is No Bargain   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2004 14:42:39 -0700 & From: twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt)H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....= Message-ID: <b3531425.0404081342.7948c23c@posting.google.com>    Hein wrote: % > Fabio please refrain from trolling.  > 5 > Your message has no value to the OpenVMS community. N > Those who care about this stuff will have read it in the inquirer themselfs.  E I like getting the occasional update on Sun and other VMS competitors D in this news group.  The subject is clearly marked for those that doD not want to read it.  This forum is where I interact (though I admitE that I do more lurking than posting these days) with VMS colleagues.  B It is good  to bash the competitors and affirm our superior careerD choice every now and then.  I don't even mind Andrew defending Sun. = As long as the post stays civil (we have chased enough of the < community off already), it nice to digress into areas of ourC profession that are more social than professional.  I am a computer - geek and I admit it.  That's just my 2 cents.    Thomas Wirt    >  > Best regards,  > Hein.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:43:19 -0400( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....* Message-ID: <40746860@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  # Fabio please refrain from trolling.   3 Your message has no value to the OpenVMS community. L Those who care about this stuff will have read it in the inquirer themselfs.  
 Best regards,  Hein.     ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message 7 news:f30679fb.0404071102.310d2fae@posting.google.com...  > Click  >  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15222  > = > Looks like Sun is firing SPARC engineers ! May be they will = > adopt AMD chips as standard ! So... Good By Solaris Sparc !  > Welcome Linux-wares !  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2004 14:41:09 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404081341.67cbb6ce@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4074A2BB.28990088@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > >  > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<407202B7.6D661B8A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > > > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > > >  > > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40703EFB.84D59F67@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > > > > [snip] > > > > All this fuss  > > > 0 > > > What fuss? Don't you know how things work? > > I > > OK. I should have gone to the "original format". But I think the onus E > > should be more on the author, not the reader, to make it come out 
 > > right. > < > Ah, yes. The Mirco$hit approach: lowest common denominator  C Actually, their approach is just the opposite: make everything work  only with MS software.   [...]   J > > > > You explain about HTML and such so you apparently already know the > > > > tabs will get lost.  > > > J > > > They don't "get lost". HTML-compliant display programs simply ignore0 > > > them and/or convert them to single spaces. > > G > > Tabs are "device software browser everything else under the sun and  > > then some" dependent   > I > Well, yes and no. A VT with TAB stops set will mis-render text as well.   C Uh, VT is included by my statement above. I actually went out of my  way to not exclude anything.  F > There are host of other mis-configurations that will produce similar > incorrect results.  $ All the more reason not to use tabs!  4 > >-- which is exactly why you shouldn't use them inC > > published text (unless you are printing, you have proofread the I > > results, and distribute only the printed copies, and similar, if any,  > > of course).  > J > ...except, of course, that most publishing software understands TABs and > renders accordingly.  C Impossible! How does said software know what your tab stops were at  the time of writing?   [...]  > H > > If you would have posted your example with spaces instead of tabs it# > > would look fine in any browser.  > H > ...but would have defeated the purpose which was to illustrate the use2 > of TABs instead spaces in plain-text appliances.  A How so? How would it look any different when displayed properly?    L > > > > This is exactly the problem with using tab characters: the displayed# > > > > result is device dependent.  > > > H > > > Well, yes and no. When running Netscape's newsreader or a terminalI > > > program, it looks just fine. When viewed as HTML rendition, it gets * > > > modified per the HTML specification. > > I > > Hmmm, can you then explain why the tabs get squashed when I read your I > > post on Google but when I click "Post a follow up to this message..."  > J > One is HTML. One is plain text. Which is which is left as an exercise...   OK.    [...]  > , > > ... Update! ... Actually, upon comparingF > > the original format view with the "Post a follow up..." view I seeE > > that they are different, probably because the quote string, "> ", H > > pushes the text over but there is a tab stop that prevents your loopH > > commands from moving over two spaces. I assume the "Original format"H > > view is correct, but then again, I can't really know for sure unless( > > you tell me what your tab stops are! >  > Standard: every 8 columns.   NOW you tell us!   >  > > And the fact that Windows H > > software is part of the long chain from your desk to mine, all sorts2 > > of brain-damaged-software munging is possible! > ! > Welcome to the real world, Neo!  > F > > OK, assuming the "Original Format" in Google really shows what youI > > meant to show, I don't like it. I find it more difficult to read code G > > in which each layer is 8 spaces over than if it were 4 spaces over. D > > And your first layer is really only 6 characters over and deeperF > > levels would be 8 additional spaces each. I find it much easier ifI > > each additional level is 4 additional spaces over. On occasion I have G > > to read and interpret Pascal code which has 2 spaces of indentation H > > per level and also find that more difficult to read, though for codeG > > blocks that have many layers with one or two lines of code per each J > > additional/subtractional lavel, sometimes 2 spaces per level isn't all
 > > that bad.  > > 2 > > > > Please don't post code that contains tabs,C > > > > esp. if you are trying to make a point about indentation!!!  > > > ( > > > How then to demonstrate the point? > > E > > By running it through EVE's CONVERT TABS function before posting,  > > which I already mentioned. > H > ...and that illustrates the difference between TAB and spaces ... how?  D By showing the text as it appeared in your original session by usingC EVE's CONVERT TABS command instead of device/software-dependent tab  characters.   M > > > That's like saying "don't use color to illustrate the different between  > > > red and blue". > >  > > No, it isn't.  > 
 > Yes, it is.   
 No, it isn't.    > > You can run it through EVE > I > Did you guys/gals in OpenVMS engineering get that? Before you DCL_DIET,  > run your .COMs through EVE.   ( What does DCL_DIET have to do with this?    > > and simply say that you usedE > > tabs, in which case you should also say where your tab stops are!  >  > Standard: every 8 columns.   NOW you tell us!   >  > > Your@ > > color example is more akin to using a diffraction grating toI > > demonstrate color. From different angles you see different colors, so F > > reader and creator would see, in general, different colors and the" > > creator's point would be lost. > I > Precisely why its an incorrect analogy. rather like epxlaining "red" to A > blind person, or loud to the deaf, jogging to the immobile, ...   	 Nonsense.   + > > In this example, the tabs are analogous I > > to the diffraction grating and the spaces are analogous to paint with + > > the spectrum of the light source fixed.  >  > ...as in "old Sol".    ???    > I > > > > Here is a good use for EVE. Before you post any more tabbed code, I > > > > please run it thru EVE and run the command CONVERT TABS. It works  > > > > great! > > > 7 > > > ...and increases the byte count at the same time.  > > 3 > > Not nearly as much as this discussion about it!  > 3 > Well, I'm not the one with the problem, now am I?   F If you don't mind claiming one thing while showing different things to! different people, no, you're not.    > > I think modernH > > technology can handle a couple dozen "extra" spaces. And would theseI > > "extra spaces" your DCL code really take up a significant fraction of - > > your disks? IMO, the spaces are worth it.  >  > IMO, they are not.   Fine.    > > > > [snip]G > > > > We're talking about DCL here. Not every language under the sun.  > > > G > > > Why make the distinction? Learn teh fundamentals once, then apply  > > > universally. > > G > > Because I believe you get better results if you don't cookie cutter 5 > > everything. Would you make all clothing one size?  > I > Learn how to weave once. Then, apply this fundamental skill universally  > to clothing of all sizes.   E Weaving here would be analogous to typing, not whitespace formatting.      > Got the picture, now?     - Yeah, I shouldn't bother reading your posts.     And tabs can be a real PITA.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:54:19 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 6 Message-ID: <4074A2BB.28990088@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<407202B7.6D661B8A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > >  > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40703EFB.84D59F67@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > > > [snip] > > > All this fuss  > > . > > What fuss? Don't you know how things work? > G > OK. I should have gone to the "original format". But I think the onus C > should be more on the author, not the reader, to make it come out  > right.  : Ah, yes. The Mirco$hit approach: lowest common denominator  A > Don't you think Web authors should make at least some effort to ' > make their pages browser-independent?    Absolutely!    > Isn't that the whole point of  > the Internet  ; No. The whole point of the internet is support BG's wealth.   8 > that anyone can publish (they'll let anyone publish on5 > the Web!) and anyone can read said published pages?    Probably...   C ...however, newsgroups like c.o.v. are plain text, not HTML, and as 4 we've seen, HTML's rendering of plain text is dodgy.  > > > > because you used the tab key instead of spaces. You postK > > > the loop saying your indentation is better yet we see no indentation.  > > 6 > > In a certain newsreader. Looks fine in Netscape... > 0 > Exactly my point. "Looks fine to me!" you say.  C No, looks fine in Netscape, no matter who the reader is. Don't have . LookOut! Express set up, or I'd try that, too.   > Well, then publish it  > to yourself!  F ...and the others of c.o.v. that use a regular, plain-text newsreader.  H > > > You explain about HTML and such so you apparently already know the > > > tabs will get lost.  > > H > > They don't "get lost". HTML-compliant display programs simply ignore. > > them and/or convert them to single spaces. > E > Tabs are "device software browser everything else under the sun and  > then some" dependent    G Well, yes and no. A VT with TAB stops set will mis-render text as well. D There are host of other mis-configurations that will produce similar incorrect results.  2 >-- which is exactly why you shouldn't use them inA > published text (unless you are printing, you have proofread the G > results, and distribute only the printed copies, and similar, if any, 
 > of course).   H ...except, of course, that most publishing software understands TABs and renders accordingly.  6 > > > Now I'm supposed to do backflips and summersalts4 > > > just to check if maybe you have tabs in there? > > K > > You'd have to anyway - TABs aren't the only elements that get "lost" in  > > HTML rendition...  > D > I never had to for anything else except for brain-damaged-software8 > posts in which the lines don't wrap properly and such.  C Well, gee then - I 'll THEY'LL have to get on your stick, too, then  won't they?? ;-)  F > If you would have posted your example with spaces instead of tabs it! > would look fine in any browser.   F ...but would have defeated the purpose which was to illustrate the use0 of TABs instead spaces in plain-text appliances.  J > > > This is exactly the problem with using tab characters: the displayed! > > > result is device dependent.  > > F > > Well, yes and no. When running Netscape's newsreader or a terminalG > > program, it looks just fine. When viewed as HTML rendition, it gets ( > > modified per the HTML specification. > G > Hmmm, can you then explain why the tabs get squashed when I read your G > post on Google but when I click "Post a follow up to this message..."   H One is HTML. One is plain text. Which is which is left as an exercise...  F > I get a reply window in which the tabs appear to work correctly (andG > how can I even be sure of that since I don't know with certainty what G > the tab settings were on your device/software/whatever when you wrote D > the example code!). Does HTML say to squash tabs on display but to > honor them in reply windows?  G Depends - how is the reply window coded? Will the rendition honor TABs?   8 (Students of Early Development refer to this syndrome as "over-generalization.)  * > ... Update! ... Actually, upon comparingD > the original format view with the "Post a follow up..." view I seeC > that they are different, probably because the quote string, "> ", F > pushes the text over but there is a tab stop that prevents your loopF > commands from moving over two spaces. I assume the "Original format"F > view is correct, but then again, I can't really know for sure unless& > you tell me what your tab stops are!   Standard: every 8 columns.   > And the fact that Windows F > software is part of the long chain from your desk to mine, all sorts0 > of brain-damaged-software munging is possible!   Welcome to the real world, Neo!   D > OK, assuming the "Original Format" in Google really shows what youG > meant to show, I don't like it. I find it more difficult to read code E > in which each layer is 8 spaces over than if it were 4 spaces over. B > And your first layer is really only 6 characters over and deeperD > levels would be 8 additional spaces each. I find it much easier ifG > each additional level is 4 additional spaces over. On occasion I have E > to read and interpret Pascal code which has 2 spaces of indentation F > per level and also find that more difficult to read, though for codeE > blocks that have many layers with one or two lines of code per each H > additional/subtractional lavel, sometimes 2 spaces per level isn't all > that bad.  > 0 > > > Please don't post code that contains tabs,A > > > esp. if you are trying to make a point about indentation!!!  > > & > > How then to demonstrate the point? > C > By running it through EVE's CONVERT TABS function before posting,  > which I already mentioned.  F ...and that illustrates the difference between TAB and spaces ... how?  K > > That's like saying "don't use color to illustrate the different between  > > red and blue". >  > No, it isn't.    Yes, it is.    > You can run it through EVE  G Did you guys/gals in OpenVMS engineering get that? Before you DCL_DIET,  run your .COMs through EVE.    > and simply say that you usedC > tabs, in which case you should also say where your tab stops are!    Standard: every 8 columns.   > Your> > color example is more akin to using a diffraction grating toG > demonstrate color. From different angles you see different colors, so D > reader and creator would see, in general, different colors and the  > creator's point would be lost.  G Precisely why its an incorrect analogy. rather like epxlaining "red" to ? blind person, or loud to the deaf, jogging to the immobile, ...   ) > In this example, the tabs are analogous G > to the diffraction grating and the spaces are analogous to paint with ) > the spectrum of the light source fixed.    ...as in "old Sol".   G > > > Here is a good use for EVE. Before you post any more tabbed code, G > > > please run it thru EVE and run the command CONVERT TABS. It works  > > > great! > > 5 > > ...and increases the byte count at the same time.  > 1 > Not nearly as much as this discussion about it!   1 Well, I'm not the one with the problem, now am I?    > I think modernF > technology can handle a couple dozen "extra" spaces. And would theseG > "extra spaces" your DCL code really take up a significant fraction of + > your disks? IMO, the spaces are worth it.    IMO, they are not.   > > > [snip]E > > > We're talking about DCL here. Not every language under the sun.  > > E > > Why make the distinction? Learn teh fundamentals once, then apply  > > universally. > E > Because I believe you get better results if you don't cookie cutter 3 > everything. Would you make all clothing one size?   G Learn how to weave once. Then, apply this fundamental skill universally  to clothing of all sizes.    Got the picture, now?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:22:22 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>+ Subject: Re: DHCPd - TCPware 5.6-1 question 6 Message-ID: <4074A94E.1A435A93@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Neil Rieck wrote:  >  > re: TCPware 5.6-1  > H > Is their a built in limit to the number of addresses this product willC > support irregardless of tuning? I need to support 40 subnets with M > approximately 2000 addresses each but can only get the server to support 24 M > subnets (~ 48K addresses). When I add the 25th subnet the server repeatedly L > crashes with an error 292 then restarts. I've increased sysgen parameters:L > NPAGEDYN, NPAGEVIR, WSMAX. I've added physical memory to the Alpha. I haveJ > given ridiculously large quotas (Pgflquo, Bytlm, Wsquo) to the necessary > users in UAF. Any thoughts?   ; Try the TCPware newsgroup or support (at) Process Software.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2004 16:59:19 -0700 " From: thick_guy_9@yahoo.com (AMIT)% Subject: Re: info on hardware details = Message-ID: <7e127df6.0404081559.3e7f3665@posting.google.com>   | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<c543ho$6ff$1@online.de>...? > In article <7e127df6.0404080728.7c48f92b@posting.google.com>, ' > thick_guy_9@yahoo.com (AMIT) writes:   > K > > How can I find out details of the following items for a given VMS node:  > > a. IP alias  > > b. DECNET ID >  > $  SHOW NETWORK  >  > > c. Cluster ID  > & > Not sure what you mean here, perhaps > ! > $  TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE/CLUSTER  >  > > d. No. of CPU  > 
 > $  SHOW CPU  > 
 > > e. memory  >  > $  SHOW MEMORY >  > > f. Hardware-address  >  > $  TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE/FULL >  > > g. DEC address >  > $  SHOW NETWORK    Hi Thx. g. should be ethernet address    and how can I find the   System Serial No?    Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 05:19:57 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>% Subject: Re: info on hardware details : Message-ID: <c554ou$2ojed3$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   AMIT wrote: ~ > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<c543ho$6ff$1@online.de>... > ? >>In article <7e127df6.0404080728.7c48f92b@posting.google.com>, ' >>thick_guy_9@yahoo.com (AMIT) writes:   >> >>J >>>How can I find out details of the following items for a given VMS node: >>>a. IP alias >>>b. DECNET ID  >> >>$  SHOW NETWORK  >> >> >>>c. Cluster ID >>& >>Not sure what you mean here, perhaps >>! >>$  TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE/CLUSTER  >> >> >>>d. No. of CPU >>
 >>$  SHOW CPU  >> >> >>>e. memory >> >>$  SHOW MEMORY >> >> >>>f. Hardware-address >> >>$  TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE/FULL >> >> >>>g. DEC address  >> >>$  SHOW NETWORK  >  >  > Hi > Thx. > g. should be ethernet address  >   % The ethernet address is also shown by    $  TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE/FULL   > and how can I find the   > System Serial No?  >   5 Look on the physical system for that. There should be 6 a label somewhere on it, often at the back of the box.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:32:56 GMT ( From: "P. Thompson" <no-spam@new.rr.com>/ Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system disk D Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404072128200.5010@localhost.localdomain>  ' On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Kari Keronen wrote:   G > We dumping some of our old VAX systems and I'm trying to find easiest H > way to clean application data from disks. Init/erase is good enough inJ > our case, but I have one MV 3800 with only one disk and application dataI > is in that same disk with system. No CD-ROM. So is there any easier way J > to clean the disk than finding the application data and use delete/eraseE > ? There used to be TEST 70 console command doing disk erase on some ; > microvax models, but this seems not to be case with 3800.   J If they're DSSI disks you can erase the disk without any OS access at all.  SET HOST /DUP/DSSI [unit number] with ERASE as the Task Name    Paul   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:58:35 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>. Subject: MYSQL V4-1-1 and PHP 1.2 and CSWS 1.3= Message-ID: <vd3dc.13853$dL3.3476@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   G Does someone have documentation on how to properly configure MYSQL and  = PHP on OpenVMS 7.3-1.  My test script fails on the line with  I mysql_connect().  Mysql is running and works using the parameters in the  H connect statement at the command line and I can connect and look at the I db.  I have not been able to locate the doc that explains how all of the  E configuration files must be configured for proper operations for the  C 4.1.1 version -- it is quite different from the previous version...   G Until the STREAM_LF issue is resolved in CSWS 2.0, I cannot install it.    Any help is appreciated.   Michael Austin   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:16:33 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>C Subject: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler 6 Message-ID: <4074A7F1.ED9A3A71@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Anders Wallin wrote: >  > Hi,  > H > Is there a way to get information about what line in a DCL script that% > caused a call to the error handler?  >  > VMS version is V7.3-1  > 	 > Regards  > Anders Wallin  > - > ===========================================  >   > $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO ERR_UNX > ...  > ...  > <faulty line>  > ...  > .... >  > $ERR_UNX: 1 > $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Status code is: ''$STATUS'" = > $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Error occured on line " + <faulty line>  > ...   G What I do when I've got a tuffy is to add "ON WARNING THEN EXIT" at the G top, SET VERIFY, then invoke thr procedure with output going to a file,  for example:  ! $ @proc_name/OUTPUT=proc_name.LOG   = ...and examine the output to help me locate the problem(s)...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 05:08:48 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>C Subject: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler : Message-ID: <c55446$2p2ooq$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Didier Morandi wrote:  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  >> >> Didier Morandi wrote: >> >>> Darren Boyle wrote:  >>>  >>> G >>>> look out for one of the DCL_CHECK'er programs available (the easy   >>>> way) orH >>>> assign an incrementing symbol at each line (the long way, but easy  >>>> with a  >>>> TPU learn sequence. >>>  >>> F >>> Obviously, some people do not read previous answers to a question  >>> before posting...  >> >> >>J >> hey, this is usenet, not everyone gets any given post at the same time  >> or the posts + >> in a thread in the same order as you do.  >> >> :-).  >> > I > Yep. I often forget about that. To me, everyone reads news with a news  6 > reader. I never understood the infovax list success. >    Advantages of INFO-VAX  G 1. It comes in 2 flavours: Individual messages or a twice daily digest. 2     Pick the one you prefer (I prefer the digest).G 2. You get the messages on _your_ system, for as long as you want. This F     is particularly useful if your news server only keeps messages for     a short time. F 3. You can read comp.os.vms even if your ISP doesn't carry it in their     newsgroups. B 4. You can read comp.os.vms if the place you work at doesn't allow     access to newsgroups. E 5. You can use a webmail interface to your own ISP from anywhere, and D     use your own personal email address rather than your employer's.A 6. On dialup or slow connections mail is often more reliable than +     newsreaders, in my experience at least. D 7. Spam. Some does get through, but less than in the raw newsgroups.  C I am sure others could list additional advantages, but the above is  enough for me.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:09:26 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: OT: Web site security) Message-ID: <40746DFE.BF0ED550@istop.com>   E In the news, Air Canada is suing a competitor. Here is a small blurb:  ##J The claim by Montreal-based Air Canada centers on Jeffrey Lafond, a formerL employee who joined WestJet in 2000 and now works as a financial analyst at  WestJet's headquarters.   N  Air Canada alleges that, after leaving the company, Lafond retained access toJ a confidential employee web site, which contained almost a year of forward ticket  booking information.  N  The airline alleges WestJet set up software to access the web site "thousandsH of  times per day" between May of last year and this March. That allowedN WestJet to target its "most profitable flights and times, and adjust WestJet's5 schedule  accordingly," Air Canada said in its claim.  ##  M The moral of this: intranet web sites don't get magical security because they L added the word "intranet" to it. Management of username/passwords is just asD critical, especially when it comes to employees leaving the company.  I Seems to me that by going public with this, Air Canada is hurting its own : image because it shows mismanagement of computer security.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:20:45 GMT 4 From: Colin J Denman <spam@cjdenman.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: SIMH V3.2 released ? Message-ID: <Xns94C4D889E5C12spamcjdenmanfreeserv@212.159.13.2>   8 "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com> wrote in  news:40721A83.59AA@yahoo.com:   D > been running continously for 14+ days.  Nah, I'll upgrade when the  > Windows host finally gives up! >   5 rfc2550 suggests you have less than 35 days to go ;-)    --   Colin J Denman& N 51 54' 38" W 00 29' 45" Elev: 125m@ email: mailto:spam@cjdenman.freeserve.co.uk -- use my first name) home: http://www.cjdenman.freeserve.co.uk    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:01:44 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ) Subject: Re: simple question on shadowing 1 Message-ID: <seYcc.2500$u53.238@news.cpqcorp.net>   w In article <c51g46$pdv$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:   K :..Suppose I have two physical disks connected to two VAX nodes as members  I :of a shadow set which is mounted by all nodes in the cluster, including   :ALPHA nodes...   F   At the risk of demonstrating my vise-like grip on the obvious... :-)  G   Given the stated goal was to avoid shadow copies or protracted merges H   when systems are restarted, rebooted and/or upgraded -- and eventuallyE   remounting the shadowset volumes -- I'd simply tend to DISMOUNT the G   volumes as part of the Alpha system shutdown processing.  I'd look to 3   use SYSHUTDWN and DISMOUNT commands, for example.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:30:37 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)) Subject: Re: simple question on shadowing $ Message-ID: <c51kst$tmd$1@online.de>  F In article <seYcc.2500$u53.238@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:    M > :..Suppose I have two physical disks connected to two VAX nodes as members  K > :of a shadow set which is mounted by all nodes in the cluster, including   > :ALPHA nodes...  > H >   At the risk of demonstrating my vise-like grip on the obvious... :-) > I >   Given the stated goal was to avoid shadow copies or protracted merges J >   when systems are restarted, rebooted and/or upgraded -- and eventuallyG >   remounting the shadowset volumes -- I'd simply tend to DISMOUNT the I >   volumes as part of the Alpha system shutdown processing.  I'd look to 5 >   use SYSHUTDWN and DISMOUNT commands, for example.   C Right, that's what I normally do.  It's also why I moved my biggest @ shadow set to VAX nodes, even though it slows things down a bit.G However, there are unexpected crashes---power failures, system crashes, E mistakes on my part which require drastic measures (once I forgot the G SCSI address of the ethernet adapter (it was 6 and I thought it was 7), C added a disk to a BA353 with the same address, and saw a) the error G counts go up quickly and b) the entire cluster hang shortly thereafter; E had to reach for the reset button)---which might happen while I'm far G away.  When I log in remotely and see what went wrong, it would be nice = if everything wasn't slowed down by all the merges going on!     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:49:30 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) ) Subject: Re: simple question on shadowing - Message-ID: <e93qHcumnpxc@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   2 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:4 > brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:  > F >> 	All mounted members must be on an Alpha (or I64).  Note that disksH >> on a VAX that are not mounted CAN be served to an HBMM-capable systemO >> and use HBMM.  In that case, the VAX is simply acting as an MSCP controller.  > J > Suppose I have two physical disks connected to two VAX nodes as members J > of a shadow set which is mounted by all nodes in the cluster, including & > ALPHA nodes.  Can I use HBMM or not?7 	If the devices are mounted on a VAX, the answer is no.  -- o  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:14:04 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>7 Subject: THE Top 10 List of Worst Business IT Decisionsu- Message-ID: <4075DCBC.1097.A8498D6@localhost>     Here's an interesting article...    ) ------- Forwarded message follows -------i6 Date sent:      	Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:43:58 -0700 (PDT)- From:           	webalerts-noreply@google.coms To:             	stan@stanq.comt' Subject:        	Google Web Alert - vaxn  . THE Top 10 List of Worst Business IT Decisions* LinuxInsider.com - Encino,CA,United StatesD .. What this really meant was that they just didn't understand theirD own markets: Commercial VAX users simply didn't behave the way IBM's mainframe community does ...3 <http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/story/33362.html>u  5 ------- End of forwarded message ---------Stan Quayle- Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671)1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147V= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com3   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 06:26:39 +0200g* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>; Subject: Re: THE Top 10 List of Worst Business IT Decisionsv: Message-ID: <c558m0$2p1cl0$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Stanley F. Quayle wrote:" > Here's an interesting article... >  > + > ------- Forwarded message follows ------- 8 > Date sent:      	Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:43:58 -0700 (PDT)/ > From:           	webalerts-noreply@google.comn! > To:             	stan@stanq.com ) > Subject:        	Google Web Alert - vaxf > 0 > THE Top 10 List of Worst Business IT Decisions, > LinuxInsider.com - Encino,CA,United StatesF > .. What this really meant was that they just didn't understand theirF > own markets: Commercial VAX users simply didn't behave the way IBM's > mainframe community does ...5 > <http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/story/33362.html>c >   E Thanks for the link. I also found the IBM bit interesting - I hadn't -@ realised that BG II was an influential advisor to the IBM board.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:56:14 -0500A@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>/ Subject: Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTPo6 Message-ID: <4074A32E.528B8A54@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   John Vottero wrote:t > [snip]I > UCX NTP doesn't need to be stopped and/or restarted when doing daylighto > savings changes.  3 Left to its own, will UCX NTP make the time change?7  D ...or must you adjust SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL to make that happen?   -- r David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:00:24 -0500-@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>/ Subject: Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP:6 Message-ID: <4074A428.9673561A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote: > [snip]H > Have you ever issued a SET TIME command while (X)NTP was managing yourI > clock? What happened? What if you SET TIME to the (approximate) current H > time? Why would it be different if JOB_CONTROL changed the time? Isn'tE > it still just a call to $SETIME? Wouldn't you just expect (X)NTP toA5 > resynch (and find it doesn't have to jump an hour)?h  F Well, when you research it in depth, you find that setting the time isG not the issue. The issue is getting the right values into logical namesfD such as SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL and SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME. JBC doesn'tH actually change the time, it invokes some DCL proc.'s that ship with VMSD to actually perform the time and LNM changes. JBC is just a bit more  accurate about timing the event.   -- h David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:08:57 -0500n@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>/ Subject: Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTPg6 Message-ID: <4074A629.90F1F4DB@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:r > E > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote on  > 04/05/2004 09:31:00 PM:w
 > > [snip]8 > > See the comments in SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM. > >y >  > David, > : > I looked in that procedure, and came back unenlightened. > = > Would you please provide me a less cryptic and more verbosel > reply.  H O.k. What you're looking for is mention of the four logical names in the opening comments:n   SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING SYS$TIMEZONE_NAMEp SYS$TIMEZONE_RULEr SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIALa  : Read down further, and you find that the proc. expects theF SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE LNM to not already be defined, and some reference toH the possibility that OVMS Engr. may initially have intended the proc. to= be invoked during SYCONFIG. Anyway, the proc. assumes that iftH SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE is DEFINEd, reDEFINE-ing it and the others is a no-no.C It then invokes an image to actually do the job. I don't recall thetC image name just now and I don't have privileged access to a V7.3 orf later system as I write this.e  B Anyway, those opening comments indicate that the image will DEFINEG (likely $CRELNM) the LNMs in /EXEC mode based on the timezone rule dataa> entered during UTC$TIME_SETUP when VMS was installed/upgraded.  B So, the short answer is: yes, SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM willB result in the logical names being changed, given the caveat above.  A By the way - your news agent is posting MIME. Thought you'd wanna  know...    -- n David J. Dachterab dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:58:29 GMTK% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>c/ Subject: Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTPi> Message-ID: <pd3dc.51979$dj4.32724@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in messageb0 news:4074A32E.528B8A54@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > John Vottero wrote:o
 > > [snip]K > > UCX NTP doesn't need to be stopped and/or restarted when doing daylightn > > savings changes. >n5 > Left to its own, will UCX NTP make the time change?t >aF > ...or must you adjust SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL to make that happen? >w  K No.  UCX will not change the TDF or time zone and, if the time zone changes I without the time changing (or vis-a-versa) UCX NTP will complain that the H difference is too large and refuse to guess at what the correct time is.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:13:19 -0400t2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: TKZ60 and TA90 . Message-ID: <40755DFF.28737.8958767@localhost>  8 On 8 Apr 2004 at 11:59, gleason@encompasserve.org wrote:G >  I have an ancient TA90e tape drive I need to retire. I still need toaF > retain the ability to occasionally read one of the many thousands ofH > tapes written by it, in VMS BACKUP format, with the compressed option. > E >   The TKZ60 family looks like it could do the job. Anyone ever usedeF > one to read TA90E tapes? Anyone want to recommend a specific variantH > in the product family? What's the difference between the TKZ60, 61 and > 62?a  F I've talking with several sources about getting a member of the TZK60 6 family.  It should read your IBM 3480 tapes just fine.  D However, there don't seem to be any of these drives available.  And D used SCSI 3480/3490 drives go for about $10k on eBay, much less new  from a manufacturer.  F Why don't you capture all the data onto disk now, and make compressed F CD's or DVD's for future use?  There's no guaranteeing that you'll be & able to get a new drive in the future.  
 --Stan Quaylee Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671.1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147o= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comu   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Apr 2004 15:11:48 -0700 $ From: Ommo <Ommo_member@newsguy.com>' Subject: VMS Security checking software ) Message-ID: <c51ub402bn8@drn.newsguy.com>h  P Are there any VMS security checking tools such as SATAN and / or SARA out there?O (Some people where I work are complaining that we've not tested our VMS systems O and that hackers will soon own the systems (I know, I've told them).  I know ofeO pointsecure's software but they are arguing that Pointsecure's software isn't aaC standard (such as some people consider SATAN / SARA as a standard).n  O I've dug through the freeware disk with no luck.  Any one have any suggestions?e  I Also, Would there be any merit to running the SATAN against a VMS system?eA (Anyone else try this yet?  If so, were your results reasonable?)    Thanks all!o  O (Note: Invalid E-mail entered to deter unwanted spam, please post replys to the" group, Thanks!)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:24:52 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>+ Subject: Re: VMS Security checking softwared6 Message-ID: <4074A9E4.F16DEFD3@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Ommo wrote:u > R > Are there any VMS security checking tools such as SATAN and / or SARA out there?Q > (Some people where I work are complaining that we've not tested our VMS systemsrQ > and that hackers will soon own the systems (I know, I've told them).  I know ofpQ > pointsecure's software but they are arguing that Pointsecure's software isn't aaE > standard (such as some people consider SATAN / SARA as a standard).o > Q > I've dug through the freeware disk with no luck.  Any one have any suggestions?b  G Have you showed them the "Guide to OpenVMS System Security" and pointede> out the fact other o.s.-es don't even have such documentation?   -- l David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:10:57 -0500l@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: VMS?i6 Message-ID: <4074A6A1.FD0F7524@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Thierry Dussuet wrote: > 5 > On 2004-04-06, Charlie Hammond <hammond@not> wrote:-7 > > In article <N6$R1j0QN5kP@eisner.encompasserve.org>,43 > > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:N > >> > >>> What's the future? > >>( > >>There will be strife in the Mideast. > >9$ > > And stock prices will fluctuate. >  > And there will be a spoon.   ...or is it "spool"?   -- S David J. Dachteraw dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/J   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:21:40 -0400( From: "Wayne" <bruzeks@atcomcastdot.net> Subject: Re: VMS? 0 Message-ID: <vqSdndpgAZ63NOndRVn-uw@comcast.com>  : "Rodney Kelp" <rodneykelp605@hotmail.com> wrote in message+ news:O8KdnXSaPJ8mR-zdRVn-hQ@adelphia.com...u: > Is Open VMS still supported? Does DecWindows still suck? > What's the future? >TK The future of VMS in my world is bleak.  Consultants are telling managementhG that it is a niche product that we should migrate away from.  They showpH Gartner reports that say it's dying. They show Gartner reports that showH ISVs dropping support for it. They show compatibility matrices for majorH products we would like to buy that tell of dropped support for VMS. TheyG show piles of rags with glossies about HP-UX, LINUX, Windows, etc., anduJ nothing about VMS.  They talk about Oracle shows where VMS doesn't receiveB even a mention of being a supported platform - even in "history ofJ clustering" slides. HP, when asked for help in justifying continued use ofL VMS, tells me that the Army and VA Hospital have committed to using it for xJ years and that it runs a lot of money markets. That doesn't really make my case.i  L I love VMS - have used it for years - but am afraid I won't be using it muchL longer, in large part due to HP's unwillingness to promote it.  Although I'mK a big fan of VMS, if HP doesn't care to sell it, I don't see how I can.  Itl makes me sick.   Wayneo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:10:03 -0500y@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>5 Subject: Re: VXT1300, InfoServer 150, VAXstation 3100a6 Message-ID: <4074A66B.D1BEE263@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:n > 5 > In article <MhWNouoormVA@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:i > J > > The InfoServer 1000s I have all have zero internal drives.  All drivesK > > are external, and I connect the configuration I choose (up to the limith
 > > of 7). > I > OK, there was a model though with the actual InfoServer unit integrated ( > in a large box with room for 7 drives.   Was that the "InfoTower"?s   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:19:39 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>. Subject: Re: Yankee Group: Linux Is No Bargain6 Message-ID: <4074A8AA.9C3BD988@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   John Smith wrote:v > N > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=10&u=/nf/20040406/tc > _nf/23611&sid=95573658   SCO FUD.   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.196 ************************ayed! > > > result is device dependent.  > > F > > Well, yes and no. When running Netscape's newsreader or a terminalG 4sq"'dº!<3ht΃veBM%5YRM1ej,&֟
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