1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 09 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 197       Contents:? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... % Re: Backup command / Tape help needed % Re: Backup command / Tape help needed  Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards. Re: IBM Debuts Low-Priced Prepackaged Clusters Re: info on hardware details Re: info on hardware details Re: Kind of farewell& Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system disk& Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system disk& Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system disk: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!? ( Re: OT: indian competition for handhelds% Re: OT: Intel offices raided in Japan C Re: PBXGK-BB (ELSA GLoria Synergy, 4D10T (?)) DECwindows colormaps? C Re: PBXGK-BB (ELSA GLoria Synergy, 4D10T (?)) DECwindows colormaps? 1 Re: Possible daylight savings time change problem & Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?& Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?& Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?& Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?& Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTP Re: TKZ60 and TA90 Re: TKZ60 and TA906 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable& Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article& Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article& Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article& Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article& Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article
 VMS newbie" Re: VMS Security checking software" Re: VMS Security checking software" Re: VMS Security checking software Re: VMS? Re: VMS?% Re: Yankee Group: Linux Is No Bargain   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 00:34:24 -0700 ' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....= Message-ID: <734da31c.0404082334.34837c76@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c53mih$tq$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:O > > I think that the minute Andrew decides to quit the conference, you will see O > > a near instantanious dissapearance of any discussion (let alone bashing) of O > > Sun in the conference...  because most of of just don't care.  Sun's battle 4 > > is with other UNIXes, Linux, Windows and itself. > >  > > > VMS newsgroups have always had a subset of their respondants@ > that have indulged in UNIX bashing. Because Sun is the largest= > UNIX vendor much of this generic bashing gravitated towards < > Solaris and all of this was well underway before I started > posting to this group.  F As far as I see it, most of those who post here about Sun just want to? tease with you. And, apparently you appear to take it much more + seriously than what most people usually do.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:27:18 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....1 Message-ID: <Wqcdc.2576$Zt3.589@news.cpqcorp.net>   K I think that the minute Andrew decides to quit the conference, you will see K a near instantanious dissapearance of any discussion (let alone bashing) of K Sun in the conference...  because most of of just don't care.  Sun's battle 0 is with other UNIXes, Linux, Windows and itself.    ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message 7 news:f30679fb.0404080317.3e223ad5@posting.google.com... 5 > "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> wrote in message & news:<40746860@usenet01.boi.hp.com>...' > > Fabio please refrain from trolling.  > > 7 > > Your message has no value to the OpenVMS community. E > > Those who care about this stuff will have read it in the inquirer 
 themselfs. > >  > > Best regards, 	 > > Hein.  > >  >  > 7 > Ok ok ! This communitty is really stressed nowadays ! - > I will not post this SPARCs news  anymore !  > J > I hope dont neet do pay for an OpenVMS "Memorial Fund" in a few months ! > 	 > Regards  >  > FC > ? > > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message ; > > news:f30679fb.0404071102.310d2fae@posting.google.com...  > > > Click  > > >  > > > / > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15222  > > > A > > > Looks like Sun is firing SPARC engineers ! May be they will A > > > adopt AMD chips as standard ! So... Good By Solaris Sparc !  > > > Welcome Linux-wares !  > > > 
 > > > Regards  > > >  > > > FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:11:15 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ...../ Message-ID: <c53mih$tq$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > I think that the minute Andrew decides to quit the conference, you will see M > a near instantanious dissapearance of any discussion (let alone bashing) of M > Sun in the conference...  because most of of just don't care.  Sun's battle 2 > is with other UNIXes, Linux, Windows and itself. >   < VMS newsgroups have always had a subset of their respondants> that have indulged in UNIX bashing. Because Sun is the largest; UNIX vendor much of this generic bashing gravitated towards : Solaris and all of this was well underway before I started posting to this group.  C There are also a number of people who are highly motivated in their > attempts to divert attention from HP onto any other vendor and< if the Itanium situation worsens then their/your activity is highly likely to intensify.    Regards  Andrew Harrison  > = > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message 9 > news:f30679fb.0404080317.3e223ad5@posting.google.com...  > 5 >>"Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> wrote in message  > ( > news:<40746860@usenet01.boi.hp.com>... > & >>>Fabio please refrain from trolling. >>> 6 >>>Your message has no value to the OpenVMS community.D >>>Those who care about this stuff will have read it in the inquirer >  > themselfs. >  >>>Best regards, >>>Hein. >>>  >> >>7 >>Ok ok ! This communitty is really stressed nowadays ! - >>I will not post this SPARCs news  anymore !  >>J >>I hope dont neet do pay for an OpenVMS "Memorial Fund" in a few months ! >>	 >>Regards  >> >>FC >> >>> >>>"Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message: >>>news:f30679fb.0404071102.310d2fae@posting.google.com... >>> 	 >>>>Click  >>>> >>>>- >>>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15222  >>>>? >>>>Looks like Sun is firing SPARC engineers ! May be they will ? >>>>adopt AMD chips as standard ! So... Good By Solaris Sparc !  >>>>Welcome Linux-wares !  >>>> >>>>Regards  >>>> >>>>FC >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:30:02 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....- Message-ID: <87isgaqsx1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ; "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:   D > I think that the minute Andrew decides to quit the conference, youD > will see a near instantanious dissapearance of any discussion (letE > alone bashing) of Sun in the conference...  because most of of just D > don't care.  Sun's battle is with other UNIXes, Linux, Windows and	 > itself.   I Sun's battle now is with the organ bank. No one else has survived dealing I with the borg of redmond, so it will be interesting to see how Sun fairs.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2004 13:41:05 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....3 Message-ID: <3ICBfCQogJ+m@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <87isgaqsx1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:= > "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:  > E >> I think that the minute Andrew decides to quit the conference, you E >> will see a near instantanious dissapearance of any discussion (let F >> alone bashing) of Sun in the conference...  because most of of justE >> don't care.  Sun's battle is with other UNIXes, Linux, Windows and 
 >> itself. > K > Sun's battle now is with the organ bank. No one else has survived dealing K > with the borg of redmond, so it will be interesting to see how Sun fairs.  >   < 	Yep.  The only threat to Microsoft in the last 10 years was? 	the browser.  They dispatched Netscape quite handily.  MS will ? 	give Sun a bone now and then.  Quite handy to have Java around @ 	on life-support.  Allows them to say to the Justice Department:: 	"See how well we are treating our minions ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H G 	competition!".  Same for Apple.  Sun joins Apple to forever linger in   	the land of the UnDead.    @ 	Maybe before IBM has the life sucked out of them they go a stepG 	beyond Java(1) , partner with Intel and stick a call to an interpreter I 	in the hardware.  Some sort of end around MS regardless of what MS tries C 	to do.  Something slick that folks can write to and then magically E 	installs itself over the Internet into the host OS making low-level  @ 	system calls.  Maybe this doesn't become feasable until MS has H 	Internet based subscription services as a requirement.  But then again,4 	maybe there isn't any way to break the MS hegemony.   				Rob     K (1)  If some small time outfit like Sun can come up with a Java, surely IBM H      with their tremendous resources can go beyond Java.  Surely someoneG      at IBM sees the danger of a shutout and the necessity to kickstart I      Linux desktop development AND to play into both MS and Linux space -       transparently.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 11:52:32 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org. Subject: Re: Backup command / Tape help needed3 Message-ID: <$ShGnbcJGGt6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <dDzdc.3565$F9.832@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, "NeedHelp" <eckmant@earthlink.net> writes: I > I have an Alpha 1000 running OpenVMS 6.2 and a tape library filled with 9 > tapes written by several generations of Exabyte drives.  > M > I've confirmed with Exabyte that my current Mammoth LT drive should be able J > to read my older 112-M tapes which I believe were writte with an Exabyte( > 8500 under VMS 5.x or the current 6.2. > N > I can mount the tape foreign, but when I try to backup /list it VMS tells me > it is not an ANSI tape.  > 1 > Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.    $ MOUNT /FOREIGN <device-name> $ DUMP <device-name>: D $ DUMP <device-name>:	! An ANSI labelled tape will contain more data 			! after the first tape mark.   F Report back.  We're interested in whether the first few records on theD tape are 80 bytes long, whether there are parity errors, whether the? second dump shows long records and, depending on that, what the ) contents of some of the data blocks show.   H A BACKUP labelled tape should have printable ANSI header data in betweenG 2 and 4 80 byte header records (displayed by the first DUMP command), a C tape mark and then, the save set data (displayed by the second DUMP C command) in large fixed length blocks where the block size is given : by the BACKUP /BLOCK=xxx qualifier (default 8192 for tape)   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 12:16:35 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: Backup command / Tape help needed3 Message-ID: <XtNQ8QDmf$tT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <dDzdc.3565$F9.832@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, "NeedHelp" <eckmant@earthlink.net> writes: M > I've confirmed with Exabyte that my current Mammoth LT drive should be able J > to read my older 112-M tapes which I believe were writte with an Exabyte( > 8500 under VMS 5.x or the current 6.2. > N > I can mount the tape foreign, but when I try to backup /list it VMS tells me > it is not an ANSI tape.   C    I had a lot of problems wiht 3rd party tape drives doing that in G    between VMS 5 and 6.  We had to replace our tape drive to get a fix. H    Unfortunatley the folks who did the purchase bought another 3rd party    drive "to save money".    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2004 23:47:12 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404082247.2bcf0db7@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4075F5AE.3321BE00@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > >  > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4074A2BB.28990088@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > > > [snip]N > > > ...except, of course, that most publishing software understands TABs and > > > renders accordingly. > > G > > Impossible! How does said software know what your tab stops were at  > > the time of writing? > D > The standard is every 8 columns - always has been, always will be.  ? And how do we know you're using the standard? And it is not the E standard everywhere. Stratus VOS, e.g., has tab stops every 5 spaces, F and inserts actual spaces instead of a tab character. Even on VAX/VMS,E I have seen (third-party) software that sets tabs the way it wants to F and then leaves them that way after image rundown! How can anyone know@ how your equipment is set up? Yes, every 8 columns starting withE column 9 is standard on VMS. So what? How do we know you're using the C standard? How do we know you're even composing your example code on C VMS? Maybe you typed it in directly on a browser or newsreader on a , non-VMS box? Maybe you used tabs and spaces.  I > Of course, Micro$hit takes that a step further into their own realm. In D > WhineBloze text boxes and so on, a TAB usually advances the cursorF > one-half inch, unless something else overrides. Then again, anything5 > with a ruler is probably not dealing in plain text.  > 	 > > [...]  > > > L > > > > If you would have posted your example with spaces instead of tabs it' > > > > would look fine in any browser.  > > > L > > > ...but would have defeated the purpose which was to illustrate the use6 > > > of TABs instead spaces in plain-text appliances. > > D > > How so? How would it look any different when displayed properly? > 9 > A non-HTML "appliance" would have rendered it properly.    OK.    [...] 0 > > > > ... Update! ... Actually, upon comparingJ > > > > the original format view with the "Post a follow up..." view I seeI > > > > that they are different, probably because the quote string, "> ", L > > > > pushes the text over but there is a tab stop that prevents your loopL > > > > commands from moving over two spaces. I assume the "Original format"L > > > > view is correct, but then again, I can't really know for sure unless, > > > > you tell me what your tab stops are! > > >   > > > Standard: every 8 columns. > >  > > NOW you tell us! > J > Did you *REALLY* need to be told? I had serious doubts about you before,  > and now you've confirmed them!  F Yes I know the standard for VMS is every 8. No, there is no way that IA could have known that YOU were actually using the standard. OK, I B could have guessed that you were based on Google's Original FormatE output. But I couldn't be 100% certain. Maybe you were using tabs and E spaces! Actually, it wasn't until the middle of this subthread that I F tried the Original Format. And even so, the fact that you said "NearlyC identical visual effect" had me still wondering if I was looking at D correct output as they were not nearly identical to me! In fact, I'mB looking at your OP right now and they don't look nearly identical.D Mine looks much better. Oh, and you probably tabbed even between the- IF and the condition! Sorry, I don't like it.    >  > > > L > > > ...and that illustrates the difference between TAB and spaces ... how? > > H > > By showing the text as it appeared in your original session by usingG > > EVE's CONVERT TABS command instead of device/software-dependent tab  > > characters.  > H > ...and that illustrates the difference between TAB and spaces ... how?  E Wait a minute. I thought you were illustrating the difference between B your prefs and mine. Mine are 4 spaces and yours are 8-space-width tabs.    > Q > > > > > That's like saying "don't use color to illustrate the different between  > > > > > red and blue". > > > >  > > > > No, it isn't.  > > >  > > > Yes, it is.  > >  > > No, it isn't.  > G > O.k. it isn't - and water is dry, air is wet, solids flow and liquids  > don't, ... See? I CAN learn!   OK.    > " > > > > You can run it through EVE > > > M > > > Did you guys/gals in OpenVMS engineering get that? Before you DCL_DIET, ! > > > run your .COMs through EVE.  > > , > > What does DCL_DIET have to do with this? > @ > Think about it. See HELP Lex F$EDIT() Arg, if you need a clue.  E We're talking about how to properly post DCL code that is supposed to E show your preferred method of indenting. I really don't see what this  has to do with that.   > $ > > > > and simply say that you usedI > > > > tabs, in which case you should also say where your tab stops are!  > > >   > > > Standard: every 8 columns. > >  > > NOW you tell us! > G > I can't believe you really needed to be told that. You've been in EDP  > for - how long??!!  
 See above.     >  > > >  > > > > YourD > > > > color example is more akin to using a diffraction grating toM > > > > demonstrate color. From different angles you see different colors, so J > > > > reader and creator would see, in general, different colors and the& > > > > creator's point would be lost. > > > M > > > Precisely why its an incorrect analogy. rather like epxlaining "red" to E > > > blind person, or loud to the deaf, jogging to the immobile, ...  > > 
 > > Nonsense.  > 	 > Hardly.   	 Actually.    > / > > > > In this example, the tabs are analogous M > > > > to the diffraction grating and the spaces are analogous to paint with / > > > > the spectrum of the light source fixed.  > > >  > > > ...as in "old Sol".  > >  > > ???  > + > Oh, COME ON!!!!!!!!!!! Don't play stupid!   E Old Sol, I don't remember this actual phrase, but, no, dare I say it, F are you trying to resurrect the dreaded AM/PM thread? Maybe we can useE that to get rid of Nomen. We'll do it in uppercase letters too! No, I 8 don't think that will work. The guy is clearly hopeless.   >  > > > M > > > > > > Here is a good use for EVE. Before you post any more tabbed code, M > > > > > > please run it thru EVE and run the command CONVERT TABS. It works  > > > > > > great!	 > > > > > ; > > > > > ...and increases the byte count at the same time.  > > > > 7 > > > > Not nearly as much as this discussion about it!  > > > 7 > > > Well, I'm not the one with the problem, now am I?  > > J > > If you don't mind claiming one thing while showing different things to% > > different people, no, you're not.  > = > Well, I'm not the one showing "different things", now am I?   	 Whatever.    >  > > > > I think modernL > > > > technology can handle a couple dozen "extra" spaces. And would theseM > > > > "extra spaces" your DCL code really take up a significant fraction of 1 > > > > your disks? IMO, the spaces are worth it.  > > >  > > > IMO, they are not. > > 	 > > Fine.  > >  > > > > > > [snip]K > > > > > > We're talking about DCL here. Not every language under the sun. 	 > > > > > K > > > > > Why make the distinction? Learn teh fundamentals once, then apply  > > > > > universally. > > > > K > > > > Because I believe you get better results if you don't cookie cutter 9 > > > > everything. Would you make all clothing one size?  > > > M > > > Learn how to weave once. Then, apply this fundamental skill universally  > > > to clothing of all sizes.  > > I > > Weaving here would be analogous to typing, not whitespace formatting.  > H > Eh - not really. Typing would be more analogous to spinning fibre into. > thread - even more fundamental than weaving.  A Spinning fiber into thread would be like building the typewriter.  You're one level off.    >  > > > Got the picture, now?  > > 0 > > Yeah, I shouldn't bother reading your posts. > >   > > And tabs can be a real PITA. > ( > ...to those who don't understand them.    I understand them all too well.    > # > Rave on, McDuff - I'm outta here!    OK.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 00:00:42 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404082300.44c50e76@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<406E3E9C.63D50EFE@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: [...] , > > And for some reason I like an underscore) > > for the leading character of a label.  > 3 > Probably because you also "over-indent". Compare:  > 
 > $_label: > $    IF (BLAH.EQS.BLEH)  > $    THEN   > $        exciting loop command  > $        exciting loop command  > $        exciting loop command > $    ENDIF > 
 > ...to... > 	 > $label:  > $ IF	(BLAH.EQS.BLEH) > $ THEN > $	exciting loop command  > $	exciting loop command  > $	exciting loop command 	 > $ ENDIF  > J > Nearly identical visual effect, fewer bytes (TABs instead of spaces) and  D They don't look nearly identical to me. And yours looks different inA the reply window than it does in the "original format" while mine  looks the same in both.   J > things line up at TAB stops making editing much less keyboard-intensive.  C Harder on the thumbs as you have to hold them in mid-air. The space   bar is the easiest key to press.  $ > > And unnecessary parentheses make% > > IF THEN statements more readable.  > F > Well, yes and no. Which paren.'s in the following would you consider > "unnecessary"? > * > $ IF	((BLAH .AND. %X7FFFFFFF) .EQ. BLEH) > ( > $ IF	(BLAH .AND. %X7FFFFFFF) .EQ. BLEH > G > Hint: Putting spaces around your operators increases readability more  > than "unnecessary" paren.'s.  = Well, they're all unnecessary as far as DCL reading it goes.    ( Readability is in the eye of the reader.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 08:05:47 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 3 Message-ID: <7Vm0K$FSvXQc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   y In article <4075F601.B9D96818@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  > ( > Just curious - would FORTRAN choke on: > / > if (.not.status) call lib$stop(%val(status))    E    Been using it since VMS 2.0.  It should have worke fine under 1.x,     but I didn't try it.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 08:06:48 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 3 Message-ID: <si5oKaWl637e@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <b096a4ee.0404082247.2bcf0db7@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:$ > Yes, every 8 columns starting with > column 9 is standard on VMS.  H    And on printers.  Any software that displays something on my terminal4    differently than it will on my printer is faulty.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:58:09 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards - Message-ID: <c53eoe$17gr$1@news.cybercity.dk>    Darren Boyle wrote:  > -----Original Message-----' > From: Dr. Dweeb [mailto:dr@dweeb.com] D > Also, the  "thou shalt not use GO TO" bigots would do well to readF > some literature on the subject of structured programming.  The GO TOB > is most commonly expressly allowed (it is in the PASCAL standard< > IIRC), specifically as a branch on the way to termination. >  > IF RETURN_STATUS IS SUCCESS  > THEN >    do something  > ELSE >   GO TO ERROR_EXIT > END-IF >  > G > A bit heavy on the processor though, it would have been simpler as...  > 5 > IF RETURN_STATUS .NOT. SUCCESS then GOTO ERROR_EXIT  > success lines  > success lines  > success lines    Err.  That was COBOL syntax :-)   	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:02:37 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards . Message-ID: <c54b4p$2l3t$3@biggoron.nerim.net>   Dr. Dweeb wrote:   > Darren Boyle wrote:  >  >>-----Original Message-----' >>From: Dr. Dweeb [mailto:dr@dweeb.com] D >>Also, the  "thou shalt not use GO TO" bigots would do well to readF >>some literature on the subject of structured programming.  The GO TOB >>is most commonly expressly allowed (it is in the PASCAL standard< >>IIRC), specifically as a branch on the way to termination. >> >>IF RETURN_STATUS IS SUCCESS  >>THEN >>   do something  >>ELSE >>  GO TO ERROR_EXIT >>END-IF >> >>G >>A bit heavy on the processor though, it would have been simpler as...  >>5 >>IF RETURN_STATUS .NOT. SUCCESS then GOTO ERROR_EXIT  >>success lines  >>success lines  >>success lines  >  > ! > Err.  That was COBOL syntax :-)  >  > Dr. Dweeb    And in Fortran:   /   if (.not. status) call lib$stop(%val(status))    :-)    D.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:18:10 -0600  From: "Dan Notov" <danno@hp.com>7 Subject: Re: IBM Debuts Low-Priced Prepackaged Clusters * Message-ID: <4074d2f9@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:fMGdnV12Ze3srendRVn-gg@igs.net...G > It's amazing what vendors can offer to their customers when there are  ISV's - > who write applications for their platforms.  > I > HP generally doesn't understand that very well and specifically doesn't + > understand it at all when it comes to VMS  > K [http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=VMS] K Specifically responding to the Linux Cluster market, HP has done a good job ' bundling software for compute clusters: N http://www.hp.com/techservers/clusters/linux_clusters.html/linux_clusters.html  E You can build them bare-bones, hardware only prepackaged (LC series,) 6 software integrated (XC series,) or completely custom.   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:52:56 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: Re: info on hardware details $ Message-ID: <c543ho$6ff$1@online.de>  = In article <7e127df6.0404080728.7c48f92b@posting.google.com>, % thick_guy_9@yahoo.com (AMIT) writes:    I > How can I find out details of the following items for a given VMS node: 
 > a. IP alias  > b. DECNET ID   $  SHOW NETWORK    > c. Cluster ID   $ Not sure what you mean here, perhaps   $  TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE/CLUSTER    > d. No. of CPU    $  SHOW CPU    > e. memory    $  SHOW MEMORY   > f. Hardware-address    $  TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE/FULL   > g. DEC address   $  SHOW NETWORK    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:00:51 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>% Subject: Re: info on hardware details . Message-ID: <c54b1g$2l3t$2@biggoron.nerim.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   ? > In article <7e127df6.0404080728.7c48f92b@posting.google.com>, ' > thick_guy_9@yahoo.com (AMIT) writes:   >  > I >>How can I find out details of the following items for a given VMS node: 
 >>a. IP alias    $ tcpip show host    D.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 10:13:42 -0700 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: Kind of farewell = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404090913.5ffdacf3@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4075FCCB.2D32339A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > Didier Morandi wrote:  > > M > > Well, after 22 years of VMS, I merged today my "company" with the Nr 1 IT T > > provider here in Toulouse, where I accepted the position of Technical Department > > mgr. > > Q > > The company is in Apple business since the 80's and went to LostDows 15 years G > > later, when the margin on Macintosh products schrinked to 3 points.  > > L > > Today, they^H^H^H^H we sell Apple, Fujitsu, Sage Accounting software andO > > networking. The "merge" will bring to the new DTL the HP reseller card, VMS G > > consulting (if any) and the FutureVAX/CHARON-VAX serie of products.  > > T > > As I move from technique to management, I will probably stop reading newsgroups,S > > so do not worry about missing posts, this will mean that I will be busy dealing P > > with costs control, budget, quality control, procedures, human resources and& > > other strategical accounts rescue. > >  > > Good luck to VMS. A > > If HP France wants to sell VMS to Airbus, please let me know.  > > 2 > > Best regards to all of you and a HAPPY EASTER. >  > ...and to you, Didier! > I > Likewise, I'd expected to resign from VMS last year when things were in ? > an uncontrollable tailspin. For now, I'm in a steady VMS gig.  > I > I'll be taking on new duties at a small ISP startup here in the midwest D > U.S. later this season and my time for C.o.v. will likewise become7 > rather limited (Steve Schweda just yelled, "YES!!!").  > @ > Good luck and (I think it's) Bon Chance(sp?)(?) in your future > endeavors. >  > Long live VMS!     Good Luck Didier !    G I believe soon I will leave the OpenVMS world too ! Because the company C is porting all the systems to SAP (Swallow All the Process) running H in Solaris E15K Servers. Of course I would like to work with SuperDomes F running OVMS ! But I think it will be difficult here in S. America to D sell one !  Only if the market change ... like Sun bankrupticy or if/ IBM buy them : the future AIX 5SL (SoLinux) ;-) E So .. I will jump to the Linux  world : advice from a friend at HP !    J May be if Dassalult sell us the new Mirages we would be in contact ;-)... @ I doubt because the Brazilian Air Force want the Sukhoi SU-35 !        Regards  FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 23:21:03 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system disk ) Message-ID: <4074C4FE.BF84DA0A@istop.com>    "P. Thompson" wrote:M => If they're DSSI disks you can erase the disk without any OS access at all. " > SET HOST /DUP/DSSI [unit number] > with ERASE as the Task Name   J But to issue the SET HOST command, don't you need VMS to be up and runningI with the correct driver loaded to access the DSSI controller ? Won't that J crash VMS if you tell the drive used as system drive to erase itself ? (orM would VMS go into mount verification if it discobers that its system drive is  now offline ?)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 02:10:13 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>/ Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system disk 5 Message-ID: <1040408020905.4297B-100000@Ives.egh.com>   # On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, JF Mezei wrote:    > "P. Thompson" wrote:O > => If they're DSSI disks you can erase the disk without any OS access at all. $ > > SET HOST /DUP/DSSI [unit number] > > with ERASE as the Task Name  > L > But to issue the SET HOST command, don't you need VMS to be up and runningK > with the correct driver loaded to access the DSSI controller ? Won't that L > crash VMS if you tell the drive used as system drive to erase itself ? (orO > would VMS go into mount verification if it discobers that its system drive is  > now offline ?) >  >   F No, you can connect to the DSSI disk from the console >>>, at least onA our VAX 4000-200.  I think you had to be able to do this to do an D initial configuration, or you wouldn't be able to load VMS onto yourC DSSI system disk on a brand-new system.  So I think any system that F supports booting from a DSSI system disk supports this in the console.    H P.S.  Sorry JF - I think I sent this to you directly instead of posting.K If I did post it before, then "Sorry, everyone else, for double posting..."    -- h John Santosu Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 08:08:42 -0600c; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e/ Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system diska3 Message-ID: <w8AW120wNdt5@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  V In article <4074C4FE.BF84DA0A@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > L > But to issue the SET HOST command, don't you need VMS to be up and runningK > with the correct driver loaded to access the DSSI controller ? Won't thataL > crash VMS if you tell the drive used as system drive to erase itself ? (orO > would VMS go into mount verification if it discobers that its system drive is  > now offline ?)  C    I don't recall which model the original poster was using, but onfD    most VAXen after MV II you can set host/dup/dssi from the console    prompt with no OS.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:30:36 +0200M" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>C Subject: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler . Message-ID: <c539k8$22lh$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   David J. Dachtera wrote:  I > What I do when I've got a tuffy is to add "ON WARNING THEN EXIT" at thesI > top, SET VERIFY, then invoke thr procedure with output going to a file,E  
 I like it.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:31:22 +0200u" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>C Subject: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handlere. Message-ID: <c539ln$22lh$2@biggoron.nerim.net>   Darren Boyle wrote:e  K > look out for one of the DCL_CHECK'er programs available (the easy way) ortK > assign an incrementing symbol at each line (the long way, but easy with ae > TPU learn sequence.   S Obviously, some people do not read previous answers to a question before posting...    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:15:34 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>C Subject: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handler-0 Message-ID: <4075323C.837CF509@blueyonder.co.uk>   Didier Morandi wrote:r >  > Darren Boyle wrote:  > M > > look out for one of the DCL_CHECK'er programs available (the easy way) or.M > > assign an incrementing symbol at each line (the long way, but easy with ai > > TPU learn sequence.d > U > Obviously, some people do not read previous answers to a question before posting...m  S hey, this is usenet, not everyone gets any given post at the same time or the postsc( in a thread in the same order as you do.   :-).   regardsn   >  > D.   -- n tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:53:05 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>C Subject: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handlerr: Message-ID: <c55vai$2a44q9$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Michael Unger wrote:* > On 2004-04-09 05:08, "Paul Sture" wrote: >  >  >>Advantages of INFO-VAX >> >>[...]e >>I >>2. You get the messages on _your_ system, for as long as you want. ThisoH >>    is particularly useful if your news server only keeps messages for >>    a short time.  >  > I > At least Mozilla has an option "Download for offline use" which is what-A > I use. And "When it is time to clean up messages" (news account 8 > settings) is set to "[x] Keep all messages" of course. >   0 A useful tip for when I'm away from home thanks.   >  >>[...]- >>C >>6. On dialup or slow connections mail is often more reliable thanr- >>    newsreaders, in my experience at least.  >  > H > I'm using an ISDN connection and don't see any difference between mail) > and news, but I don't read news online.j >   H Sorry, I got that wrong. I was finding with Netscape 3.03 that it would H "drop" messages when I tried reading them online, even on ADSL. I could I see all the headers but when I clicked on one it would sometimes give me pG a "newsgroup item expired" message. Waiting a short while and clicking  E again would usually refresh it. This normally occurred when I'd left a: Netscape alone for a while - some kind of timeout problem?  7 Now I've moved to Mozilla 1.5, that issue has gne away.   A Back in ISDN and pre-ISDN days, I always used to read newsgroups iG offline. Comparing my phone bills with colleagues who read them online n$ proved it was well worth the effort.   > F >>7. Spam. Some does get through, but less than in the raw newsgroups. >  > G > Which may be depending on the newsserver; the one you and I are using0H > doesn't allow HTML postings so most of the spam isn't accepted at all. >   > I was on an unfiltered news server before going with this one.   > E >>I am sure others could list additional advantages, but the above is  >>enough for me. >  > 	 > Michaela >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:59:20 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>C Subject: Re: Nuber of faulty DCL line causing jump to error handlerU. Message-ID: <c54auk$2l3t$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > Didier Morandi wrote:S >  >>Darren Boyle wrote:. >> >>L >>>look out for one of the DCL_CHECK'er programs available (the easy way) orL >>>assign an incrementing symbol at each line (the long way, but easy with a >>>TPU learn sequence. >>U >>Obviously, some people do not read previous answers to a question before posting...o >  > U > hey, this is usenet, not everyone gets any given post at the same time or the posts * > in a thread in the same order as you do. >  > :-). >   Q Yep. I often forget about that. To me, everyone reads news with a news reader. I  * never understood the infovax list success.   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 07:47:14 -0600r; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)v  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?3 Message-ID: <tWtRAFJhJPLq@eisner.encompasserve.org>I   In article <c517q4$3i7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > F > Sun and MS still expect to compete, that hasn't changed. What has is@ > the tone and of course MS support for Java and Sun's access to( > MS's IP all of which are a good thing. >   E    Billy has a habit of buying up companies that win lawsuits against D    him.  Sun has been in financial trouble ever since the .com bomb.@    Maybe all those Solaris users out there will be "upgraded" to<    the security, reliability, and useability of MS products.  *    Meanwhile VMS just keeps on keeping on.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 07:48:29 -0600n; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)!  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?3 Message-ID: <0UM6+AD6zT2C@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <c53msd$10i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:- > So basically you cannot support your point.i > # > Since you cannot my point stands.> > 8 > Or did you think that your word on the subject carries? > much weight given your previous less than convincing attempts  > at financial analysis.  B    Oh right.  Just guess who's word carries weight on comp.os.vms.      LOL   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:12:19 GMTC9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>s  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?1 Message-ID: <Tccdc.2574$ma3.233@news.cpqcorp.net>h  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>a; wrote in message news:c512of$1o4$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:' > > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"o > >a? > >>>I know where the VMS budget comes from - and it isn't ink.e > >>>  > >>>a > >>D > >>Sure does unless you have started printing money with the toner. > >> > >d > > L > > Trust me FUDster.  I know *exactly* where the VMS R&D budget originates.- > > And it isn't with the guys that sell ink.0 > >5 > >1 > > < > So where does it come from. Remember what you know or what9 > you think you know isn't always as valuable a commoditye > as you seem to think it is.e >r  L I do know.  But this is not, nor am I the person to discuss this in a public+ forum other than to say your blowing smoke.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:16:31 +0100vO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?0 Message-ID: <c53msd$10i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>t= > wrote in message news:c512of$1o4$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...u >  >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>& >>>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" >>>s >>>a? >>>>>I know where the VMS budget comes from - and it isn't ink.  >>>>>n >>>>>b >>>>D >>>>Sure does unless you have started printing money with the toner. >>>> >>>w >>> K >>>Trust me FUDster.  I know *exactly* where the VMS R&D budget originates.s, >>>And it isn't with the guys that sell ink. >>>  >>>b >>>e >>< >>So where does it come from. Remember what you know or what9 >>you think you know isn't always as valuable a commodityt >>as you seem to think it is.S >> >  > N > I do know.  But this is not, nor am I the person to discuss this in a public- > forum other than to say your blowing smoke.  >  >   + So basically you cannot support your point.^  ! Since you cannot my point stands.   6 Or did you think that your word on the subject carries= much weight given your previous less than convincing attemptsh at financial analysis.   regardst Andrew Harrisond >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 10:07:04 -0700e. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)1 Subject: Re: OT: indian competition for handheldsi= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404090907.7f470917@posting.google.com>v  [ Jf Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<40762097.908E3F65@istop.com>...po > >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1509&ncid=738&e=6&u=/afp/20040409/tc_afp/india_tech_simputer  > I > An indian company is starting to produce low cost PDAs in order to makeBV > available to the very large asian market a device that is affordable. It runs Linux. > K > If this takes off, it would put a new meaning to Indian outsourcing sincepP > Indians would now compete head to head against companies such as HP instead of; > just pushing their paper and answering their phone calls.0  ? The natural future for PDAs is integration with mobiles phones. A So Motorola and Nokia should take care ! May be a future TelecommgB Giant is raising in India ! And will swallow the Chinese market !    Regardse   FC   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 07:02:36 -0700p- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer)r. Subject: Re: OT: Intel offices raided in Japan= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0404090602.103e8281@posting.google.com>e  e Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message news:<79ecc8bb311b8ec779de4f4b6cdacc76@dizum.com>...o  E Looking.....Still being posted by NOBODY.  I guess someones testicles  still haven't dropped.  Huh?E Get a life,job,girl/hoooker, or something that will get you away from.B the keyboard and out of our lifes.  Oh, sorry.  Scratch that third6 choice, you wouldn't be able to do anything with that.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:20:21 -0700e3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>aL Subject: Re: PBXGK-BB (ELSA GLoria Synergy, 4D10T (?)) DECwindows colormaps?. Message-ID: <4074C4F5.7000307@Flying-Disk.com>   sms@antinode.org wrote: F >    As my old display was getting cranky, and I needed a newer one toH > deal with the ELSA GLoria Synergy (PBXGK-BB) card in my "new" PersonalG > WorkStation, I got something newer.  The first problem was the fairlybJ > spectacular ringing when it was driven from the PBXGA-CA (ZXLp-E3) in myE > AlpSta 200 4/233, but I figured I could just drop in a PBXGK and be) > happy.  A The ringing problem was discussed here a few months ago.   Google C should help you find it.   The fix is to tie all three (RGB) ground C pins together at the video card connector.   Apparently, one or twofB of them were left floating.   I soldered a short piece of 30-gauge5 wire across the three pins and the problem went away.r   Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:20:08 GMTa9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>rL Subject: Re: PBXGK-BB (ELSA GLoria Synergy, 4D10T (?)) DECwindows colormaps?2 Message-ID: <ckcdc.2575$uL3.1542@news.cpqcorp.net>  F The "lots of depths" is a bug that is caused by using the standard CFBK visual init logic (it "guesses" at the depths based on screen formats).  InoJ fact, the ELSA as well as pretty much all commodity cards from the windowsD world generally support only a single depth at a time.  The card youI replaced, on the other hand, had an expensive RAMDAC from the traditionalmK workstation world that supported multiple simultanious pixel depths.  Whichs( allowed you to mix 24 and 8 bit visuals.  J AlphaVCR unfortunately supports only 8-bit pseudocolor.  Mozilla is fairlyL color hungry, and as you have seen it can cause the typical technicolor messH when it doesn't have enough colors and has to install it's own colormap.  L Not a lot of good options for you there if you want to use a commodity card.  G <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message news:04040722323745@antinode.org... H >    Ok.  I found the logical name, DECW$SERVER_PIXEL_DEPTH, and settingF > that to 24 provides better color depths.  The Web browsers are again	 > usable.  > J >    Now, however, MMOV$ALPHAVCR.EXE fails silently (so far as I can see).D > My first guess is that I need a different "default visual", but byD > following all the contradictory advice I've found so far regardingD > DECW$SERVER_DEFAULT_VISUAL_CLASS, I've found nothing which changes; > "default visual id:  0x24", which seems to refer to this:t >  >   visual:e >     visual id:    0x24 >     class:    TrueColorn >     depth:    24 planese& >     size of colormap:    256 entries7 >     red, green, blue masks:    0xff, 0xff00, 0xff0000u8 >     significant bits in color specification:    8 bits >gJ >    Any reasonably accurate advice would be appreciated.  Is anyone using( > MMOV$ALPHAVCR.EXE with an ELSA GLoria? > ? >    Currently: VMS V7.3-1 (+ "DEC AXPVMS VMS731_UPDATE V2.0" +h > "VMS731_GRAPHICS V3.0"). > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >i6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orgt >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 06:33:08 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"): Subject: Re: Possible daylight savings time change problem6 Message-ID: <00A30081.255270BD@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <EEC575D39D864C4BBAE8CD309982B0F2081734@sphnt33.sph.uth.tmc.edu>, "Grealy, Patrick" <PGrealy@sph.uth.tmc.edu> writes:  B >Is it possible that the time change caused the following problem:I >Sunday morning our two clustered DS10s each had the TCPIP$BIND process = H >eating up 99% of cpu. When I could finally login and shutdown BIND, a =F >symbiont process running DCPS took over the cpu. I finally restored =K >normalcy by shutting down queue manager and restarting it. This is a new ="H >system, running for about two months now. We've got OpenVMS 7.3-1 and =G >Compaq TCP/IP 5.3 with the two DS10s clustered using a shared quorum =dE >disk in a storage shelf. We do not run Multinet other than Process =n  >Software's SSH server for VMS.     G 7.3-2, Multinet 4.4, and we saw a very similar problem.  (In our case, dH TOMCAT took over the CPU, but when it was shut down, DCPS symbionts went hog wild and had to be killed.)a   -- Alan    -- aO ===============================================================================t0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056hM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025lO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 00:39:13 -0700w' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)i/ Subject: Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun? < Message-ID: <734da31c.0404082339.6886e97@posting.google.com>  v Andrew Harrison <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> wrote in message news:<c50qeh$s30$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > David Svensson wrote:ru > > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c4s18q$81q$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > >  > >>Kenneth Farmer wrote:  > >>" > >>>Lets get Andrew fired up!  :) > >>>t  > >>>A Total Eclipse of the Sun?F > >>>http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=04/04/03/8616166 > >>>u > >>>Ken > >>>d > >>6 > >>Another well researched and well balanced article. > >  > > 7 > > I don't think people expect it to be well balanced.  > >  > > 4 > >>Quite why you need to keep attempting to put the > >>boot in on Sun > >  > > 6 > > Perhaps the arrogance of Sun plays a role in this. > >  > . > What arrogance are you refering to exactly ? > 6 > Are we arrogant because we listen to our customers ?   No.O  7 > Are we arrogant because we change unpopular decisionsu# > because our customers ask us to ?    No.e  ? > are we arrogant because we are prepared to reach accomodationx" > with a longtime commercial foe ?   No.   : > Are we arrogant for continuing to develop our own IP and7 > continuing to compete rather than caving in a setting'7 > ourself up to be purchased/merged with when the times  > have got tough ?   No.   2 > Which one of these arrogances are we guilty of ?  
 None of them.   C I am referring to the arrogance of Sun sales people during the good E years. "Sun is the best, everything else is shit etc." The CEO of Sun F and the marketing people of Sun also have a tone of arrogance, but the sales people were the worst.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:09:31 GMTi9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>r/ Subject: Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?o2 Message-ID: <facdc.2573$OK3.2427@news.cpqcorp.net>  # "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"r >t; > Incedentally you failed ot answer my point regarding yourn: > claim that I quickly dissapear when pressed on technical/ > questions etc. Ironic but par for the course.  > 9 > Can you support your claim with examples or is it, liket: > so many other claims you have made just more unsupported > BS ? >   F Sorry, I must have missed a question in the noise.  I imagine a littleL googling would get us back to issues around CPU and cache issues, as well as& claims about reliability and hot swap.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:00:26 GMTP9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> / Subject: Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?n2 Message-ID: <_Vcdc.2578$Wz3.1639@news.cpqcorp.net>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e; wrote in message news:c53i8a$slk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...a > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:' > > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"  > >a= > >>Incedentally you failed ot answer my point regarding your < > >>claim that I quickly dissapear when pressed on technical1 > >>questions etc. Ironic but par for the course.I > >>; > >>Can you support your claim with examples or is it, likef< > >>so many other claims you have made just more unsupported > >>BS ? > >> > >n > >wJ > > Sorry, I must have missed a question in the noise.  I imagine a littleH > > googling would get us back to issues around CPU and cache issues, as well as * > > claims about reliability and hot swap. > >  >i; > Fine google away or live with the fact that your claim isr > BS.  >   K If I get the time, I will.  Although once again it will be a waste of time. ? But if you agree to leave and not darken our doorsteps again...r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:02:54 +0100mO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>i/ Subject: Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun?t/ Message-ID: <c53m2s$os$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>h   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = > wrote in message news:c53i8a$slk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  >  >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>& >>>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" >>>  >>> = >>>>Incedentally you failed ot answer my point regarding yourf< >>>>claim that I quickly dissapear when pressed on technical1 >>>>questions etc. Ironic but par for the course.o >>>>; >>>>Can you support your claim with examples or is it, like'< >>>>so many other claims you have made just more unsupported >>>>BS ? >>>> >>>h >>>hI >>>Sorry, I must have missed a question in the noise.  I imagine a littleoG >>>googling would get us back to issues around CPU and cache issues, as  > 	 > well as4 > ) >>>claims about reliability and hot swap.( >>>E >>; >>Fine google away or live with the fact that your claim isa >>BS.4 >> >  > M > If I get the time, I will.  Although once again it will be a waste of time.WA > But if you agree to leave and not darken our doorsteps again...n >  >   G Why do I need to agree to anything ? either your claim can be supportedsH or it cannot and its BS. It is in your interest to provide collateral toE support your claim and prop up your rather tattered reputation get toL it.   H Of course if you and the rest of the choir were to agree to stop FUDDINGB Sun then I might consider your request but as I said earlier thats unlikely isn't it.   regardsE Andrew HarrisonN   Regardsi Andrew Harrison      >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 04 05:21:02 PSTi From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comy/ Subject: Re: Time Change on VMS + Multinet/XNTPo( Message-ID: <WpuAHATkpN4Z@cpva.saic.com>  6 In article <4074A428.9673561A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,C  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:a  > mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote:	 >> [snip]-I >> Have you ever issued a SET TIME command while (X)NTP was managing your J >> clock? What happened? What if you SET TIME to the (approximate) currentI >> time? Why would it be different if JOB_CONTROL changed the time? Isn't F >> it still just a call to $SETIME? Wouldn't you just expect (X)NTP to6 >> resynch (and find it doesn't have to jump an hour)? > H > Well, when you research it in depth, you find that setting the time isI > not the issue. The issue is getting the right values into logical namesrF > such as SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL and SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME. JBC doesn'tJ > actually change the time, it invokes some DCL proc.'s that ship with VMSF > to actually perform the time and LNM changes. JBC is just a bit more" > accurate about timing the event. >   M SYS$MANAGER:JBC$DST_COMMAND.COM which RUNs SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$DAYLIGHT_SAVING.EXEB? to $SETIME and re-define the pertinent logical names I believe.a   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 09:43:08 GMTR7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279))t Subject: Re: TKZ60 and TA90s$ Message-ID: <2004Apr9.094308@hujicc>  c In article <40755DFF.28737.8958767@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes: : > On 8 Apr 2004 at 11:59, gleason@encompasserve.org wrote:H >>  I have an ancient TA90e tape drive I need to retire. I still need toG >> retain the ability to occasionally read one of the many thousands ofiI >> tapes written by it, in VMS BACKUP format, with the compressed option.e >> cF >>   The TKZ60 family looks like it could do the job. Anyone ever usedG >> one to read TA90E tapes? Anyone want to recommend a specific varianttI >> in the product family? What's the difference between the TKZ60, 61 anda >> 62?  N I have a TKZ-61 exactly for this purpose. I don't know the differences betweenL the models, but I think you need the 61 in order to read the cassetes of theG TA91e (if I recall correctly the TKZ60 will read only TA90, not TA90e).b  M The reliability of the TKZ drives is quite low, so have a support contract oro  pay a lot when it breaks down...4                                            __Yehavi:   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:47:33 GMTa/ From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com>R Subject: Re: TKZ60 and TA90 6 Message-ID: <p%hdc.11671$M3.4419@twister.nyroc.rr.com>  K We purchased a TKZ60 about a decade ago to replace some TA90 drives.  Afters4 a few installation snags, it has always worked fine.   -Jeff     , <gleason@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Xx+Ckt8eadn1@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >eD >  I have an ancient TA90e tape drive I need to retire. I still needF > to retain the ability to occasionally read one of the many thousandsK > of tapes written by it, in VMS BACKUP format, with the compressed option.  > E >   The TKZ60 family looks like it could do the job. Anyone ever usedeF > one to read TA90E tapes? Anyone want to recommend a specific variantL > in the product family? What's the difference between the TKZ60, 61 and 62? >g > Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR > lee.gleason@halliburton.comi   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 07:57:28 -0600y; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable>3 Message-ID: <2FJm1anJPflX@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  f In article <90odc.52254$VY2.31485@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes: > M > Huh??  Microsoft has been fairly successful without a Microsoft branded PC.   -    But they have branded mice, keyboards, ...   F    And in most minds PC == Microsoft, even if it says Dell on the box.E    As a matter of fact we've got some PC's whos manufacturer I've yet.F    to find on the box.  They all say Microsoft in big letters when you
    boot them.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:01:13 GMTs% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>t? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitabler< Message-ID: <ZUydc.14202$jX.5502@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:2FJm1anJPflX@eisner.encompasserve.org... F > In article <90odc.52254$VY2.31485@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>, "John! Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:o > >LK > > Huh??  Microsoft has been fairly successful without a Microsoft brandedl PC.s > / >    But they have branded mice, keyboards, ...t >.H >    And in most minds PC == Microsoft, even if it says Dell on the box.G >    As a matter of fact we've got some PC's whos manufacturer I've yetcH >    to find on the box.  They all say Microsoft in big letters when you >    boot them.m  H Maybe Sun should bundle a no-name PC with their software and a MicrosoftL keyboard and mouse.  Then people would think they're getting a Microsoft PC.' Use Microsoft's name to beat Microsoft.9   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 08:09:31 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in articleS3 Message-ID: <kxSC019sfY2b@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <dJgdc.4661$j32.232@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> writes:* > So how do I make LINUX speak DECnet? :^) >  > Todd  G    Load and configure the standard Linux DECnet set.  Then fix it's one-    bug.-   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 08:10:33 -0600n; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s/ Subject: Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in articlel3 Message-ID: <RWTMvGrE8Bzj@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  y In article <4075F9EA.B702E05A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:d > E > I read that on Google earlier today and wondered: If you were goofy H > enough, could you do LAT over TCP/IP? Probably no software for that at6 > present, but t'would be an interesting experiment...  H    No.  LAT would never tolerate the timing.  Better to use a LAT/TELNET-    gateway than try to encapsulate LAT in IP.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 08:11:31 -0600s; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n/ Subject: Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article,3 Message-ID: <750aaIUM5nhi@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  V In article <e-mail-0804042021200001@10.0.1.2>, e-mail@end_of.msg (Mike Cesari) writes: >   > I use the LAT server on MacOSX  E    How do I find and configure that?  I'd love to have LAT on my OS Xa	    boxes.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:19:53 GMTs( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>/ Subject: Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article ; Message-ID: <dJgdc.4661$j32.232@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>y  ( So how do I make LINUX speak DECnet? :^)   Todd= "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote in messagel( news:407484B2.17886.544B303@localhost...H > http://computerworld.com.my/pcwmy.nsf/0/51AD53228FE014AE48256E6F00285F > AF?OpenDocumentl >uC > "Expertise in legacy systems such as VAX, COBOL and VMS will be aaD > boon for prospective employees only if they also have expertise in= > how those systems can communicate with newer technologies."  >t > --Stan Quaylef > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671h3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.coms >  >m   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:55:43 -0600f% From: e-mail@end_of.msg (Mike Cesari)r/ Subject: Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article . Message-ID: <e-mail-0804041255430001@10.0.1.2>  e In article <dJgdc.4661$j32.232@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> wrote:l  * > So how do I make LINUX speak DECnet? :^) >  Right here:g  . http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/index.html   (LAT is available, too.) > Todd -- r mcesarid (at) comcast(dot)netr   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 04:22:26 -0700e% From: ethiobite@yahoo.com (sebastien)t Subject: VMS newbieb= Message-ID: <bfd5f3ca.0404090322.6d4500a6@posting.google.com>-   Hello,   How do I get the name of my  workstation on a network ?   Thanks,   
 Sebastien.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 07:03:23 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")+ Subject: Re: VMS Security checking software 6 Message-ID: <00A30085.5F6BA533@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  P In article <c51ub402bn8@drn.newsguy.com>, Ommo <Ommo_member@newsguy.com> writes:Q >Are there any VMS security checking tools such as SATAN and / or SARA out there?tP >(Some people where I work are complaining that we've not tested our VMS systemsP >and that hackers will soon own the systems (I know, I've told them).  I know ofP >pointsecure's software but they are arguing that Pointsecure's software isn't aD >standard (such as some people consider SATAN / SARA as a standard). >rP >I've dug through the freeware disk with no luck.  Any one have any suggestions? >mJ >Also, Would there be any merit to running the SATAN against a VMS system?B >(Anyone else try this yet?  If so, were your results reasonable?)  O The security officers here at SLAC have run Satan against our VMS systems a fewvM years back.  Results were fairly reasonable.  (Of course, your VMS system may K get a pass if they can't guess the password for ROOT and don't try to guessl the password for SYSTEM.)[   -- Alan]     -- hO =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056hM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025eO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 08:03:44 -0600n; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: VMS Security checking softwaret3 Message-ID: <AQR2NLOnTAW9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <c51ub402bn8@drn.newsguy.com>, Ommo <Ommo_member@newsguy.com> writes: > K > Also, Would there be any merit to running the SATAN against a VMS system?oC > (Anyone else try this yet?  If so, were your results reasonable?)   B    None of the "standard" products are likely to work because they9    were designed and built around UNIX security problems.-  B    We do use well known port scanners against our VMS systems, and1    then write up all the false positives as such.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:28:02 +0800r, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: VMS Security checking software@- Message-ID: <87n05mqt0d.fsf@prep.synonet.com>H  & Ommo <Ommo_member@newsguy.com> writes:  B > Are there any VMS security checking tools such as SATAN and / or > SARA out there?   $ Several, but they tend to cost $$$$$  E > (Some people where I work are complaining that we've not tested ouriF > VMS systems and that hackers will soon own the systems (I know, I've
 > told them).c  M So drop a copy of SATAN onto a Linux box, and let it loose on the VMS system. 6 Remember to set up a captive account for ROOT first :)   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.:@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:55:41 -0400( From: "Wayne" <bruzeks@atcomcastdot.net> Subject: Re: VMS?40 Message-ID: <YdidneeqyPv8NuvdRVn-ig@comcast.com>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in messageg/ news:4075F78E.38D8AD5@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net...n > Wayne wrote:
 > > [snip] [snip again]E > I took the liberty of forwarding your comments in their entirety tom' > Carly, Mark Gorham and Carl Gallozzi.  >  > -- t > David J. Dachterau > dba DJE Systems,  K Just curious - is there evidence that they react to, or even actually read,.I emails such as these? I'm not being sarcastic, just wondering if emailing H those folks directly really ever gets their attention or yields results.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 08:30:39 -07003% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips)M Subject: Re: VMS? = Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0404090730.466d8d4a@posting.google.com>C  } "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4075F78E.38D8AD5@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...P > Wayne wrote:
 > > [snip]P > > I love VMS - have used it for years - but am afraid I won't be using it muchP > > longer, in large part due to HP's unwillingness to promote it.  Although I'mO > > a big fan of VMS, if HP doesn't care to sell it, I don't see how I can.  It  > > makes me sick. > E > I took the liberty of forwarding your comments in their entirety to0' > Carly, Mark Gorham and Carl Gallozzi.p  D Unfortunately, since the letters VMS appear in the subject and text,/ their spam filters will probably reject it :-()I   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:58:33 +0800,, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>. Subject: Re: Yankee Group: Linux Is No Bargain- Message-ID: <87n05nsdxi.fsf@prep.synonet.com>.  % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:o  N > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=10&u=/nf/20040406/tc > _nf/23611&sid=95573658  $ Let me guess, it is Laura the Dildo?   -- A< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.197 ************************