1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 10 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 198       Contents:? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....  Re: contents of V7.3-2 distro  Re: contents of V7.3-2 distro  Re: contents of V7.3-2 distro  Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards4 Re: Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400?4 RE: Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400?/ How to call C function from Alpha assembly code 3 Re: How to call C function from Alpha assembly code  Kind of farewell Re: Kind of farewell Re: Kind of farewell Re: Kind of farewell& Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system disk& Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system disk) Re: MYSQL V4-1-1 and PHP 1.2 and CSWS 1.3  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  Re: OpenVMS for POWER!? ; Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Program - A Tribute to John Wisniewski $ OT: indian competition for handhelds% Re: OT: Intel offices raided in Japan C Re: PBXGK-BB (ELSA GLoria Synergy, 4D10T (?)) DECwindows colormaps?  Re: Problem with CSWS 2 + php & Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun? TAPESYS  Re: TAPESYS 2 Re: THE Top 10 List of Worst Business IT Decisions6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable& Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article& Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article& Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article Re: VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:07:26 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....) Message-ID: <4075B0D5.238E81A3@istop.com>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > I think that the minute Andrew decides to quit the conference, you will see M > a near instantanious dissapearance of any discussion (let alone bashing) of  > Sun in the conference...     No.   M There are those who wish to keep their head in the sand and continue to think F that VMS rules the world, and there are those who want to see what the competition is doing.   N Considering the way Digital/Compaq/HP ruined VMS, it is important to watch how, other companies are handling their business.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:26:17 -0400* From: "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.noSPAM.3b2>H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....0 Message-ID: <107bdb2tgljo391@corp.supernews.com>  8 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:4075B0D5.238E81A3@istop.com...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:K >> I think that the minute Andrew decides to quit the conference, you will   >> seeL >> a near instantanious dissapearance of any discussion (let alone bashing)  >> of  >> Sun in the conference...  >  > No.  > J > There are those who wish to keep their head in the sand and continue to  > think H > that VMS rules the world, and there are those who want to see what the > competition is doing.  > M > Considering the way Digital/Compaq/HP ruined VMS, it is important to watch   > how . > other companies are handling their business.      K                        Or perhaps make sure you don't handle your business  + the same as a humiliated and dying company.       ;                                                         Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:30:26 GMT $ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....8 Message-ID: <mNodc.1666$Wc4.5886@bcandid.telisphere.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote: = > "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:  > E >> I think that the minute Andrew decides to quit the conference, you E >> will see a near instantanious dissapearance of any discussion (let F >> alone bashing) of Sun in the conference...  because most of of justE >> don't care.  Sun's battle is with other UNIXes, Linux, Windows and 
 >> itself. > C > Sun's battle now is with the organ bank. No one else has survived D > dealing with the borg of redmond, so it will be interesting to see > how Sun fairs.  L That last Sun web site front page ad showing McNeally and Ballmer was rather funny.A Ballmer had that look that a snake gives when staring down a rat.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:33:10 GMT $ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....8 Message-ID: <WPodc.1667$Wc4.5613@bcandid.telisphere.com>   Thomas Wirt wrote:
 > Hein wrote: & >> Fabio please refrain from trolling. >>6 >> Your message has no value to the OpenVMS community.D >> Those who care about this stuff will have read it in the inquirer
 >> themselfs.  > G > I like getting the occasional update on Sun and other VMS competitors F > in this news group.  The subject is clearly marked for those that doF > not want to read it.  This forum is where I interact (though I admitF > that I do more lurking than posting these days) with VMS colleagues.D > It is good  to bash the competitors and affirm our superior careerE > choice every now and then.  I don't even mind Andrew defending Sun. ? > As long as the post stays civil (we have chased enough of the > > community off already), it nice to digress into areas of ourE > profession that are more social than professional.  I am a computer / > geek and I admit it.  That's just my 2 cents.  >   J I like Sun products.  I've got both a Sun and a VAX.  But I prefer the VAXK for overall stability and lack of surprises.  Every now and then you'll get  your usual company troll.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:42:58 -0400, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>& Subject: Re: contents of V7.3-2 distro, Message-ID: <4075b9cd$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  # http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/ . has the freeware 6 zip file of the entire diskK and if you go into the freeware6 directory each entry has it's own zip file   K If you all really want I can delete the freeware5 on ftp.hp.com and replace  it with the freeware6 files ? but it's a lot of data to move if nobody want's to download it.    -warren    --  K --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7 Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM) B Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comK 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal: sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.com . Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-48755    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself *          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------     3 "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message 7 news:cc5619f2.0404070737.43c5f059@posting.google.com... L > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)1 wrote in message news:<c4uos6$cgc$4@online.de>... < > > In article <00A2FF5B.96921787@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- > > @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > > ' > > > Can you read your Freeware 6 CDs?  > > K > > I haven't tried them in detail (and won't be able to until 23-APR), but L > > I was able to MOUNT them (on a VMS machine, not on an InfoServer) and do; > > a DIR/GRA/SIZ [*...] and got a sensible-looking output.  > B > The Freeware V6 CDROMs are apparently formatted using one of theH > upgraded features from VMS V7.2 to allow larger disks; I think its the> > bitmap file being allowed to be larger.  They will not mountG > (unsupported file structure level) on a V6.2 VAX, but will mount on a F > V7.2 VAX.  I guess its possible that the infoserver can't handle theD > problem either, though I don't have mine hooked up to verify that.G > Perhaps you can burn a new copy by creating a virtual disk to copy to B > that was formatted by an earlier system... probably worth a try. > 
 > Rich Jordan    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:10:09 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>& Subject: Re: contents of V7.3-2 distro6 Message-ID: <4075F7F1.EE8A0002@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   warren sander wrote: > % > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/ 0 > has the freeware 6 zip file of the entire diskM > and if you go into the freeware6 directory each entry has it's own zip file  > [snip]  F Thanx, Warren! As long as the .ZIPs were produced on VMS, I think thatF will help a lot. I hope others agree and will download as they need...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:09:19 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG& Subject: Re: contents of V7.3-2 distro0 Message-ID: <00A30136.3AFC7CD3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <4075b9cd$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes: $ >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware// >has the freeware 6 zip file of the entire disk L >and if you go into the freeware6 directory each entry has it's own zip file > L >If you all really want I can delete the freeware5 on ftp.hp.com and replace >it with the freeware6 files@ >but it's a lot of data to move if nobody want's to download it.  : The point is, why distribute it if you don't want it read?  D The problem is, apparently, that it is make using bitmap extensions.  1 I see no reason for that with only 650 or 700 MB.    --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:00:30 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 6 Message-ID: <4075F5AE.3321BE00@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4074A2BB.28990088@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...
 > > [snip]L > > ...except, of course, that most publishing software understands TABs and > > renders accordingly. > E > Impossible! How does said software know what your tab stops were at  > the time of writing?  B The standard is every 8 columns - always has been, always will be.  G Of course, Micro$hit takes that a step further into their own realm. In B WhineBloze text boxes and so on, a TAB usually advances the cursorD one-half inch, unless something else overrides. Then again, anything3 with a ruler is probably not dealing in plain text.    > [...]  > > J > > > If you would have posted your example with spaces instead of tabs it% > > > would look fine in any browser.  > > J > > ...but would have defeated the purpose which was to illustrate the use4 > > of TABs instead spaces in plain-text appliances. > B > How so? How would it look any different when displayed properly?  7 A non-HTML "appliance" would have rendered it properly.   N > > > > > This is exactly the problem with using tab characters: the displayed% > > > > > result is device dependent.  > > > > J > > > > Well, yes and no. When running Netscape's newsreader or a terminalK > > > > program, it looks just fine. When viewed as HTML rendition, it gets , > > > > modified per the HTML specification. > > > K > > > Hmmm, can you then explain why the tabs get squashed when I read your K > > > post on Google but when I click "Post a follow up to this message..."  > > L > > One is HTML. One is plain text. Which is which is left as an exercise... >  > OK.  >  > [...]  > > . > > > ... Update! ... Actually, upon comparingH > > > the original format view with the "Post a follow up..." view I seeG > > > that they are different, probably because the quote string, "> ", J > > > pushes the text over but there is a tab stop that prevents your loopJ > > > commands from moving over two spaces. I assume the "Original format"J > > > view is correct, but then again, I can't really know for sure unless* > > > you tell me what your tab stops are! > >  > > Standard: every 8 columns. >  > NOW you tell us!  H Did you *REALLY* need to be told? I had serious doubts about you before, and now you've confirmed them!   > > J > > ...and that illustrates the difference between TAB and spaces ... how? > F > By showing the text as it appeared in your original session by usingE > EVE's CONVERT TABS command instead of device/software-dependent tab 
 > characters.   F ...and that illustrates the difference between TAB and spaces ... how?  O > > > > That's like saying "don't use color to illustrate the different between  > > > > red and blue". > > >  > > > No, it isn't.  > >  > > Yes, it is.  >  > No, it isn't.   E O.k. it isn't - and water is dry, air is wet, solids flow and liquids  don't, ... See? I CAN learn!    > > > You can run it through EVE > > K > > Did you guys/gals in OpenVMS engineering get that? Before you DCL_DIET,  > > run your .COMs through EVE.  > * > What does DCL_DIET have to do with this?  > Think about it. See HELP Lex F$EDIT() Arg, if you need a clue.  " > > > and simply say that you usedG > > > tabs, in which case you should also say where your tab stops are!  > >  > > Standard: every 8 columns. >  > NOW you tell us!  E I can't believe you really needed to be told that. You've been in EDP  for - how long??!!   > > 
 > > > YourB > > > color example is more akin to using a diffraction grating toK > > > demonstrate color. From different angles you see different colors, so H > > > reader and creator would see, in general, different colors and the$ > > > creator's point would be lost. > > K > > Precisely why its an incorrect analogy. rather like epxlaining "red" to C > > blind person, or loud to the deaf, jogging to the immobile, ...  >  > Nonsense.    Hardly.   - > > > In this example, the tabs are analogous K > > > to the diffraction grating and the spaces are analogous to paint with - > > > the spectrum of the light source fixed.  > >  > > ...as in "old Sol".  >  > ???   ) Oh, COME ON!!!!!!!!!!! Don't play stupid!    > > K > > > > > Here is a good use for EVE. Before you post any more tabbed code, K > > > > > please run it thru EVE and run the command CONVERT TABS. It works  > > > > > great! > > > > 9 > > > > ...and increases the byte count at the same time.  > > > 5 > > > Not nearly as much as this discussion about it!  > > 5 > > Well, I'm not the one with the problem, now am I?  > H > If you don't mind claiming one thing while showing different things to# > different people, no, you're not.   ; Well, I'm not the one showing "different things", now am I?    > > > I think modernJ > > > technology can handle a couple dozen "extra" spaces. And would theseK > > > "extra spaces" your DCL code really take up a significant fraction of / > > > your disks? IMO, the spaces are worth it.  > >  > > IMO, they are not. >  > Fine.  >  > > > > > [snip]I > > > > > We're talking about DCL here. Not every language under the sun.  > > > > I > > > > Why make the distinction? Learn teh fundamentals once, then apply  > > > > universally. > > > I > > > Because I believe you get better results if you don't cookie cutter 7 > > > everything. Would you make all clothing one size?  > > K > > Learn how to weave once. Then, apply this fundamental skill universally  > > to clothing of all sizes.  > G > Weaving here would be analogous to typing, not whitespace formatting.   F Eh - not really. Typing would be more analogous to spinning fibre into, thread - even more fundamental than weaving.   > > Got the picture, now?  > . > Yeah, I shouldn't bother reading your posts. >  > And tabs can be a real PITA.  & ...to those who don't understand them.  ! Rave on, McDuff - I'm outta here!    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:01:53 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 6 Message-ID: <4075F601.B9D96818@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Didier Morandi wrote:  > [snip] > And in Fortran:  > 1 >   if (.not. status) call lib$stop(%val(status))   & Just curious - would FORTRAN choke on:  - if (.not.status) call lib$stop(%val(status))     ...? (Hi, Alan!)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 22:12:15 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404092112.2d438ffe@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4075F5AE.3321BE00@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > >  > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4074A2BB.28990088@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > > > [snip]N > > > ...except, of course, that most publishing software understands TABs and > > > renders accordingly. > > G > > Impossible! How does said software know what your tab stops were at  > > the time of writing? > D > The standard is every 8 columns - always has been, always will be.  > And how do we know that you haven't adjusted your tab stops to something else?   F OTOH, if your composing and text processing and printing are all under8 the control of the same software it would probably work.   [...] 9 > A non-HTML "appliance" would have rendered it properly.   D On second thought, not necessarily. Only if the non-HTML "appliance"B had the same tab stops that you did when you composed your exampleB would it be rendered properly. If you'd replace the tab stops withC spaces, then it would be far more likely to succeed on a variety of  systems.   [...] Q > > > > > That's like saying "don't use color to illustrate the different between  > > > > > red and blue". > > > >  > > > > No, it isn't.  > > >  > > > Yes, it is.  > >  > > No, it isn't.  > G > O.k. it isn't - and water is dry, air is wet, solids flow and liquids  > don't, ... See? I CAN learn!  / Did you know that everything you know is wrong?   " > > > > You can run it through EVE > > > M > > > Did you guys/gals in OpenVMS engineering get that? Before you DCL_DIET, ! > > > run your .COMs through EVE.  > > , > > What does DCL_DIET have to do with this? > @ > Think about it. See HELP Lex F$EDIT() Arg, if you need a clue.  F I never said anything about DCL_DIET. I only said you should take someB care if you use tabs, post it on the Net, *in* an example meant toD illustrate your concept of proper indenting. You can use the tabs asE you compose your message, run it through EVE's CONVERT TABS, post it, C and the result will be a proper display on far more systems than if 4 you simply leave the tab characters in your example.  A What is your point about DCL_DIET? What does that have to do with C illustrating indenting? No, I didn't run your example thru DCL_DIET C before looking at it! Perhaps you are comparing DCL_DIET with HTML. A Well, they have very different purposes, so I still don't see any ? valid point here. DCL code run through one would look very much 7 different from the same DCL code run through the other!   $ > > > > and simply say that you usedI > > > > tabs, in which case you should also say where your tab stops are!  > > >   > > > Standard: every 8 columns. > >  > > NOW you tell us! > G > I can't believe you really needed to be told that. You've been in EDP  > for - how long??!!  F I can't believe that you are unaware that tab stops can be adjusted byC the user. And that furthermore, such adjustment normally leads to a @ non-standard setup. Otherwise, why would the user have bothered?   > > > > YourD > > > > color example is more akin to using a diffraction grating toM > > > > demonstrate color. From different angles you see different colors, so J > > > > reader and creator would see, in general, different colors and the& > > > > creator's point would be lost. > > > M > > > Precisely why its an incorrect analogy. rather like epxlaining "red" to E > > > blind person, or loud to the deaf, jogging to the immobile, ...  > > 
 > > Nonsense.  > 	 > Hardly.   	 Actually.   / > > > > In this example, the tabs are analogous M > > > > to the diffraction grating and the spaces are analogous to paint with / > > > > the spectrum of the light source fixed.  > > >  > > > ...as in "old Sol".   E The Sun's spectrum is not fixed. Solar flares, for example. Actually, ' it's probably good enough for this. OK.    [...]    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2004 21:21:49 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com = Subject: Re: Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400? + Message-ID: <c54fpd032i@enews4.newsguy.com>   " Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:@ > Speaking of emulators, anyone ever try Hercules to run MVS3.8?  B Yes, Hercules seems pretty cool the down side being it's basicallyJ impossible to get anything besides MVS 3.8 for it.  There at least used toK be a CD image out on the net called "Turnkey MVS" if you can find that it's J a snap to set it up (I've done it both myself and with the Turnkey setup).  F Of course I don't know anything about MVS, so it isn't very useful :^)  F I like the PDP-10 and PDP-11 emulators, I've used them to get TOPS-10,E TOPS-20, RT-11, and RSTS/E up and running (though I normally use real  PDP-11's for the PDP-11 OS's).  6 BTW, for DEC emulation I humbly recommend my own site:I http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/decemu.html and I have links on the front J page to a couple non-DEC emulators that have caught my eye.  The CDC Cyber7 6600 emulator looks interesting, but I've not tried it.   J What I'd really like to see is a DPS-8 emulator running GCOS-8 or Multics,I but to the best of my knowledge such a beast doesn't exist (I am aware of ? the existance of a DPS-6 emulator running on HP-UX for GCOS-6).    		Zane   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:05:17 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> = Subject: RE: Emulators:   VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400? 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMECNDBAA.tom@kednos.com>      -----Original Message-----8   From: healyzh@aracnet.com [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com](   Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:22 PM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com =   Subject: Re: Emulators: VAX/VMS, hp3000/MPE and ... AS-400?     $   Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:B   > Speaking of emulators, anyone ever try Hercules to run MVS3.8?  D   Yes, Hercules seems pretty cool the down side being it's basicallyL   impossible to get anything besides MVS 3.8 for it.  There at least used toC   be a CD image out on the net called "Turnkey MVS" if you can find    that it's L   a snap to set it up (I've done it both myself and with the Turnkey setup).  H   Of course I don't know anything about MVS, so it isn't very useful :^)  H   I like the PDP-10 and PDP-11 emulators, I've used them to get TOPS-10,G   TOPS-20, RT-11, and RSTS/E up and running (though I normally use real     PDP-11's for the PDP-11 OS's).  8   BTW, for DEC emulation I humbly recommend my own site:K   http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/decemu.html and I have links on the front L   page to a couple non-DEC emulators that have caught my eye.  The CDC Cyber9   6600 emulator looks interesting, but I've not tried it.   L   What I'd really like to see is a DPS-8 emulator running GCOS-8 or Multics,K   but to the best of my knowledge such a beast doesn't exist (I am aware of A   the existance of a DPS-6 emulator running on HP-UX for GCOS-6).   J Multics would be interesting.  Dealing with FIXED BINARY(71) might slow it down:-)      		Zane     --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 14:46:20 -0700 : From: kannan.s.viswanathan@oracle.com (Kannan Viswanathan)8 Subject: How to call C function from Alpha assembly code= Message-ID: <595d0879.0404091346.2a077a73@posting.google.com>    Hi,   E We have a requirement to write an  Alpha assembly code for VMS , with A in which it has make a call to to an external "C" funtion. I will D greatly appreciate , if you can provide some pointers (or examples ) about how to do this.   B Here is the code segment on Tru-64 which we are trying to port for VMS.              5         ldq     $27, seoastk_bottom_in($gp)!literal!2 :         jsr     $26, ($27), seoastk_bottom_in!lituse_jsr!2   Thanks .   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:54:43 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>< Subject: Re: How to call C function from Alpha assembly code. Message-ID: <40770D93.31682.F2B6261@localhost>  G > We have a requirement to write an  Alpha assembly code for VMS , with C > in which it has make a call to to an external "C" funtion. I will F > greatly appreciate , if you can provide some pointers (or examples ) > about how to do this.   D Well, everything you need to know is in the Calling Standard (sorry 
 if it wraps):   F http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/download/calli ngstandard.pdf  A However, please keep in mind that your code won't work at all on   Itanium or VAX.  Good luck...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:21:41 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Kind of farewell . Message-ID: <c54c8i$2lq2$1@biggoron.nerim.net>  J Well, after 22 years of VMS, I merged today my "company" with the Nr 1 IT Q provider here in Toulouse, where I accepted the position of Technical Department   mgr.  N The company is in Apple business since the 80's and went to LostDows 15 years C later, when the margin on Macintosh products schrinked to 3 points.   I Today, they^H^H^H^H we sell Apple, Fujitsu, Sage Accounting software and  L networking. The "merge" will bring to the new DTL the HP reseller card, VMS C consulting (if any) and the FutureVAX/CHARON-VAX serie of products.   Q As I move from technique to management, I will probably stop reading newsgroups,  P so do not worry about missing posts, this will mean that I will be busy dealing M with costs control, budget, quality control, procedures, human resources and  " other strategical accounts rescue.   Good luck to VMS. = If HP France wants to sell VMS to Airbus, please let me know.   . Best regards to all of you and a HAPPY EASTER.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:42:52 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Kind of farewell ) Message-ID: <4075C72D.E1100936@istop.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > K > Well, after 22 years of VMS, I merged today my "company" with the Nr 1 IT R > provider here in Toulouse, where I accepted the position of Technical Department > mgr.  . Good luck with your new challenges/endeavours.  N When HP is purchased by Sun who then starts to market VMS, perhaps you'll come back :-) ;-) :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:01:44 GMT & From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> Subject: Re: Kind of farewell = Message-ID: <IJldc.48108$fh.34593@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>    Didier Morandi wrote: I > Well, after 22 years of VMS, I merged today my "company" with the Nr 1  K > IT provider here in Toulouse, where I accepted the position of Technical   > Department mgr.  > J > The company is in Apple business since the 80's and went to LostDows 15 K > years later, when the margin on Macintosh products schrinked to 3 points.  > K > Today, they^H^H^H^H we sell Apple, Fujitsu, Sage Accounting software and  J > networking. The "merge" will bring to the new DTL the HP reseller card, I > VMS consulting (if any) and the FutureVAX/CHARON-VAX serie of products.  > G > As I move from technique to management, I will probably stop reading  I > newsgroups, so do not worry about missing posts, this will mean that I  D > will be busy dealing with costs control, budget, quality control, D > procedures, human resources and other strategical accounts rescue. >  > Good luck to VMS. ? > If HP France wants to sell VMS to Airbus, please let me know.  > 0 > Best regards to all of you and a HAPPY EASTER. >  > D. >    You will be missed. . Your comments were always welcome and helpful.0 I wish you the best of luck in your new venture.  F Joyeuses Pques! (I thought it was Bon Fete, but Bable Fish says this)   --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:30:51 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Kind of farewell 6 Message-ID: <4075FCCB.2D32339A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Didier Morandi wrote:  > K > Well, after 22 years of VMS, I merged today my "company" with the Nr 1 IT R > provider here in Toulouse, where I accepted the position of Technical Department > mgr. > O > The company is in Apple business since the 80's and went to LostDows 15 years E > later, when the margin on Macintosh products schrinked to 3 points.  > J > Today, they^H^H^H^H we sell Apple, Fujitsu, Sage Accounting software andM > networking. The "merge" will bring to the new DTL the HP reseller card, VMS E > consulting (if any) and the FutureVAX/CHARON-VAX serie of products.  > R > As I move from technique to management, I will probably stop reading newsgroups,Q > so do not worry about missing posts, this will mean that I will be busy dealing N > with costs control, budget, quality control, procedures, human resources and$ > other strategical accounts rescue. >  > Good luck to VMS. ? > If HP France wants to sell VMS to Airbus, please let me know.  > 0 > Best regards to all of you and a HAPPY EASTER.   ...and to you, Didier!  G Likewise, I'd expected to resign from VMS last year when things were in = an uncontrollable tailspin. For now, I'm in a steady VMS gig.   G I'll be taking on new duties at a small ISP startup here in the midwest B U.S. later this season and my time for C.o.v. will likewise become5 rather limited (Steve Schweda just yelled, "YES!!!").   > Good luck and (I think it's) Bon Chance(sp?)(?) in your future
 endeavors.   Long live VMS!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:42:09 GMT ( From: "P. Thompson" <no-spam@new.rr.com>/ Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system disk D Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404081634490.9376@localhost.localdomain>  # On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, JF Mezei wrote:    > "P. Thompson" wrote:O > => If they're DSSI disks you can erase the disk without any OS access at all. $ > > SET HOST /DUP/DSSI [unit number] > > with ERASE as the Task Name  > L > But to issue the SET HOST command, don't you need VMS to be up and runningK > with the correct driver loaded to access the DSSI controller ? Won't that L > crash VMS if you tell the drive used as system drive to erase itself ? (orO > would VMS go into mount verification if it discobers that its system drive is  > now offline ?)  H Being a collector of older DEC hardware I would rather see a nice erasedB DSSI disk appear on Ebay rather than melted, shot from a cannon or& introduced to an antimatter DSSI disk.  J I am sure the firmware erase function (or perhaps some combination of thatE and one of the DRVTEST commands) is more than adequate protection for  >most< people's data.   J Type HElp at your console and if you see the appropriate SET HOST commands there you can do it:   >>>he J Following is a brief summary of all the commands supported by the console:  :         UPPERCASE  denotes a keyword that you must type in*         |          denotes an OR condition.         []         denotes optional parameters9         <>         denotes a field that must be filled in 5                    with a syntactically correct valuee [snip],     SET HOST/DUP/DSSI <node_number> [<task>]C     SET HOST/DUP/UQSSP </DISK | /TAPE> <controller_number> [<task>] 6     SET HOST/DUP/UQSSP <physical_CSR_address> [<task>]:     SET HOST/MAINTENANCE/UQSSP/SERVICE <controller_number>5     SET HOST/MAINTENANCE/UQSSP <physical_CSR_address>s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:14:06 -0500-@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>/ Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3800: erasing system disko6 Message-ID: <4075F8DE.A4CF1746@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   JF Mezei wrote:o >  > "P. Thompson" wrote:O > => If they're DSSI disks you can erase the disk without any OS access at all.3$ > > SET HOST /DUP/DSSI [unit number] > > with ERASE as the Task Namee > L > But to issue the SET HOST command, don't you need VMS to be up and runningK > with the correct driver loaded to access the DSSI controller ? Won't thatnL > crash VMS if you tell the drive used as system drive to erase itself ? (orO > would VMS go into mount verification if it discobers that its system drive iso > now offline ?)  G Newer OpenVMS-VAX distro.'s have a stand-alone environment you can bootnE (usually root 1). Then, load FYDRIVER and SET HOST/DUP... should worktG while booted from the CD. Dunno for sure. Never tried it and don't have  my MicroVAX here yet.   F Then again, the uVAX wouldn't be of much help, would it? (no DSSI, HSC or whatever). Oh, well...-   -- - David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:56:38 GMT3> From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>2 Subject: Re: MYSQL V4-1-1 and PHP 1.2 and CSWS 1.3> Message-ID: <qpndc.14059$%63.13308@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   Michael Austin wrote:   I > Does someone have documentation on how to properly configure MYSQL and r? > PHP on OpenVMS 7.3-1.  My test script fails on the line with dK > mysql_connect().  Mysql is running and works using the parameters in the sJ > connect statement at the command line and I can connect and look at the K > db.  I have not been able to locate the doc that explains how all of the -G > configuration files must be configured for proper operations for the nE > 4.1.1 version -- it is quite different from the previous version...a > I > Until the STREAM_LF issue is resolved in CSWS 2.0, I cannot install it.f >  > Any help is appreciated. >  > Michael Austin >   G found it.... edit SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.APACHE.PHP]PHP.INI and e@ remove the comment in front of php_mysql.exe  and there ya go...  ! just took for ever to find it at yP <<http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_php_relnotes.html>>  5 BTW, When will CSWS remove the STREAM_LF restriction?e   Michael Austin...    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2004 13:04:21 -0700t. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404091204.7211fa32@posting.google.com>p  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<4070FFDB.6C272651@istop.com>...  > Paul Sture wrote: D > > Typical French :-) They bring food into all sorts of phrases andG > > sayings. IIRC "reinventing the wheel" comes out as "reinventing the-, > > butter cutting wire", by way of example. > O > Hey, don't blast the french. Without good food and good beverages, human lifeCJ > would not be possible on this planet. The french bring two of these more1 > essential items (especially the red beverages).e > N > What is interesting about "Poisson d'Avril" is that it isn't as obvious thatL > it is some sort of a joke, whereas "April's Fools" does indicate something > funny is going on.    A So "Fish of April!" or "April Fish!" sounds perfectly serious andf normal.    April Fish!   F Actually, IIRC, due at least in part to the precession of the equinox,1 the Sun is in or at least near Pisces on April 1.e  B April Pisces! Actaully, I think the above about the Sun *is* true.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:04:37 +0200o" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?. Message-ID: <c54b8i$2l3t$4@biggoron.nerim.net>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: ../..0 > - > So basically you cannot support your point.o > # > Since you cannot my point stands.  > 8 > Or did you think that your word on the subject carries? > much weight given your previous less than convincing attemptse > at financial analysis.  B Hey you both, what about an Easter pause ?????????????????????????   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:23:44 -0500t@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>D Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Program - A Tribute to John Wisniewski6 Message-ID: <4075FB20.773B0DBD@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "David L. Cathey" wrote: > [snip] > JohnF > was always involved in the project, handing out CD's and encouragingG > new hobbyists.  The OpenVMS Hobbyist Program will continue to be parteF > of John's legacy to the user community he was so devoted to serving.  B My heartfelt condolences to you on the loss of your friend, David.  H It was a great pleasure and privilege to have known John, even casually.E His work will be long remembered in the VMS community, of that I feel  certain.  E Thank YOU for the opportunity to meet him and the entire team at DFW..   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:04:38 -0400r* From: Jf Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: OT: indian competition for handheldss) Message-ID: <40762097.908E3F65@istop.com>.  m >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1509&ncid=738&e=6&u=/afp/20040409/tc_afp/india_tech_simputern  G An indian company is starting to produce low cost PDAs in order to makeaT available to the very large asian market a device that is affordable. It runs Linux.  I If this takes off, it would put a new meaning to Indian outsourcing since-N Indians would now compete head to head against companies such as HP instead of9 just pushing their paper and answering their phone calls.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:44:17 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: OT: Intel offices raided in Japan( Message-ID: <4076EF00.81480B9@istop.com>  B "Dr. Dweeb" quoted a whole nomen nescio junk troll and then wrote:
 > Go away.! > Post your tripe somewhere else.-E > We do not care what happens in other groups, only what happens here   H Can you *please* ensure that you NEVER quote anything the idiot posts ?   J If you are unable to resist responding to the idiot, at the very least you? should not contribute to his archived fame on deja news/google.F   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 20:41:18 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.orgL Subject: Re: PBXGK-BB (ELSA GLoria Synergy, 4D10T (?)) DECwindows colormaps?) Message-ID: <04040920411889@antinode.org>N  3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>   A > The ringing problem was discussed here a few months ago.  [...]h  I    Sure enough.  Bringing the floating pin 7 down to Earth does wonders. aG Thanks for the reminder.  Now my AlpSta 200 is happy again (and at 72Hz @ instead of 60Hz, just when I was getting immune to the flicker).  9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>7   > [...]g  &    Thanks for the helpful explanation.  H > Not a lot of good options for you there if you want to use a commodity > card.   ?    I _want_ to use the best there is.  I just don't want to paytG accordingly.  My "new" PWS came with one of the exotic (and unsupported E ny VMS) two-slot monster PBXGI-A% assemblies, which I'd be willing to B trade for something Powerstormy and more VMS-suitable, if anyone's interested..  F    And, by the way, how does one identify the -AA/AB/AC-ness of one ofD these things?  Mine looks as if it could have twice as many on-boardA memory and heat-sunk chips as it has, but it does have both DIMMsr
 installed.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orgt    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:11:20 GMTe) From: "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com>o& Subject: Re: Problem with CSWS 2 + php1 Message-ID: <Ydjdc.2658$Ye4.866@news.cpqcorp.net>0  # You need CSWS_PHP 1.2 for CSWS 2.0.n  
 Rick Barry OpenVMS Systems Software Group Hewlett Packard CompanyD
 Nashua, NH  $ <user@lngs.infn.it> wrote in message7 news:1729f461.0404080557.683e06a4@posting.google.com...nF > This happens on an AXP/VMS 7.3-1 with CSWS 2, after the installation > of csws PHP 1.1e > & > AXPGS0_$ @SYS$STARTUP:APACHE$STARTUP; > Syntax error on line 4 of /apache$root/conf/mod_php.conf:I9 > Can't locate API module structure `php4_module' in filecD >  /apache$root/000000/modules/mod_php.exe: function not implemented >m) > The web server was running fine before.  > Any help about it? > Many thanks in advance, bye, >  >   Nazzareno Taborgna > H > ======================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:10:01 +0200e" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>/ Subject: Re: SKHPC: A Total Eclipse of the Sun? . Message-ID: <c54bim$2lf0$1@biggoron.nerim.net>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > ' >> "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" -* >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>> >> wrote in message news:c53i8a$slk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >> >>> Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>>R( >>>> "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" >>>> >>>>? >>>>> Incedentally you failed ot answer my point regarding yourv> >>>>> claim that I quickly dissapear when pressed on technical3 >>>>> questions etc. Ironic but par for the course.t >>>>> = >>>>> Can you support your claim with examples or is it, liker> >>>>> so many other claims you have made just more unsupported
 >>>>> BS ? >>>>>o >>>> >>>>K >>>> Sorry, I must have missed a question in the noise.  I imagine a little I >>>> googling would get us back to issues around CPU and cache issues, ast >> >>
 >> well as >>+ >>>> claims about reliability and hot swap.n >>>> >>>T= >>> Fine google away or live with the fact that your claim is  >>> BS.r >>>  >> >>I >> If I get the time, I will.  Although once again it will be a waste of . >> time.B >> But if you agree to leave and not darken our doorsteps again... >> >> > I > Why do I need to agree to anything ? either your claim can be supportedeJ > or it cannot and its BS. It is in your interest to provide collateral toG > support your claim and prop up your rather tattered reputation get tos > it.p > J > Of course if you and the rest of the choir were to agree to stop FUDDINGD > Sun then I might consider your request but as I said earlier thats > unlikely isn't it.  # Hey Fred, look at that and stop it.e. http://www.hp.com/large/promo/64595/index.html   :-)    D.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:10:35 -0400  From: "smitty" <andrew@sp32.com> Subject: TAPESYS0 Message-ID: <107bfu7f6hfqd5c@corp.supernews.com>   Dear comp.os.vms users...d  G Software Partners has been in the VMS business since 1983. In fact, oursF flagship product, TAPESYS, was first used with the beta release of VMSD backup in VMS 2.0! (I think that number is right!) TAPESYS is a pureC VMS solution for media management, backup/restore, and tape libraryh7 management. Of course, ALL BACKUPS ARE WRITTEN BY VMS'Si= OWN BACKUP PRODUCT, which is critical when you need files ands! disks resored quickly and easily.t  C Software Partners prides itself on quick, responsive support. Maybe G you're not satisfied with SLS or ABS and the support you're getting forc them.aC Or maybe you're rolling your own procedures for managing a bunch of E various tapes and backup schedules (or using something you inherited) H and hating it. Or you're concerned that the toy operating systems nearbyG are going to be called upon to make backups of your VMS stuff sometime.eH Or you are a VMS consultant, and need a cost effective way to solve your clients' backup/restore needs.   TAPESYS is worth a try.m  ( Free 30-day demo licenses are available.    Check us out, and long live VMS!   Andrew Smith ___________________________e Software Partners, Inc.t andrew@softwarepartners.como www.softwarepartners.com 978-887-6409 x114    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:47:42 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: TAPESYS6 Message-ID: <407600BE.E7A855DE@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  
 smitty wrote:  >  > Dear comp.os.vms users...S > I > Software Partners has been in the VMS business since 1983. In fact, our H > flagship product, TAPESYS, was first used with the beta release of VMSF > backup in VMS 2.0! (I think that number is right!) TAPESYS is a pureE > VMS solution for media management, backup/restore, and tape librarys9 > management. Of course, ALL BACKUPS ARE WRITTEN BY VMS'S ? > OWN BACKUP PRODUCT, which is critical when you need files andu# > disks resored quickly and easily.  > E > Software Partners prides itself on quick, responsive support. Maybe I > you're not satisfied with SLS or ABS and the support you're getting fort > them.sE > Or maybe you're rolling your own procedures for managing a bunch ofdG > various tapes and backup schedules (or using something you inherited)nJ > and hating it. Or you're concerned that the toy operating systems nearbyI > are going to be called upon to make backups of your VMS stuff sometime. J > Or you are a VMS consultant, and need a cost effective way to solve your  > clients' backup/restore needs. >  > TAPESYS is worth a try.p > * > Free 30-day demo licenses are available. > " > Check us out, and long live VMS!   Andrew, et al,  A DCSC V3.2A introduces a strange problem communicating with ACSLS:oE transactions between the two agents are two to five times slower thandD V3.2. (V3.2A is meant to introduce support for ACSLS beyond V6.0.1).  F Using SLS, the "fix" (work-around, really) is to use SLS$VOLUME to setC the tapes as in the juke, not in the juke, etc. and use TSORAGE SET ( VOLUME to set the /MEDIA_TYPE as needed.  E To illustrate why, consider that I wrote DCL proc.'s to reconcile the H jukebox inventory(-ies) with the tape database. (SLS doesn't provide forD this.) Using STORAGE INVENTORY ACS, the procedure ran for 30 minutesG (two STK L700e, 387 tapes in the database, circa. 200 tapes between theaD two jukes). Using SLS$VOLUME and STORAGE SET VOLUME, the same set of% proc.s' ran for just over 30 seconds.   H Dunno if TapeSys has anything analogous to SLS$VOLUME, but wanted to let1 you know that SLS$VOLUME found an unexpected use.a   -- r David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:47:52 GMTr* From: tutor <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com>; Subject: Re: THE Top 10 List of Worst Business IT Decisionsm8 Message-ID: <vv6c705ksitajnf2gqdq12q9dmcee67r9k@4ax.com>   Stan,v.    Thank you for pointing out a great article.B   (My response continues after shamelessly quoting your message: )   >s/ >THE Top 10 List of Worst Business IT Decisionsl+ >LinuxInsider.com - Encino,CA,United States E >.. What this really meant was that they just didn't understand theirbE >own markets: Commercial VAX users simply didn't behave the way IBM'sD >mainframe community does ... 4 ><http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/story/33362.html>     Response continues:r     While DEC messed up,<     Here is a web page that puts it all in BOOLEAN LOGIC....    = http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/dec_memorial_site.htmlh (first 'green' text on page)  F Some people will perceive this web page as nothing more than a Digital: Equipment Corporation technology cheering section. This is? not my intention. By proving that DEC had (and still has) greatsF products, I hope to impress the following thought on technical people:B "it doesn't matter how technically great your products are; if you have; either poor marketing or poor management, your company willf) be doomed to either failure or takeover."/  / Putting the above paragraph into Boolean terms:-  A    Good Engineering AND Good Marketing AND Good Management Yieldso Corporate Successa  # Applying DeMorgan's Theorem yields:   F    Bad Engineering OR Bad Marketing OR Bad Management Yields Corporate Failurea  F Even if the Boolean equations are fuzzified, the second equation seems more relevant than the first..   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 02:37:57 GMTp% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>s? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitablei> Message-ID: <90odc.52254$VY2.31485@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>  / "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com> wrote in message 2 news:7nfdc.1663$Wc4.5871@bcandid.telisphere.com...* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > > Bob Koehler wrote: [snip] > >oD > >>    I was wondering why the Sun Java Desktop systems at WallMartG > >>    weren't on Sun branded hardware.  I guess there's no such beasto > >>    as a Sun branded PC. > >> > >a > > Correct. > >o >oL > Herein lies the problem with Sun... ignorance of  marketing.  Guess that's( > why Sun had to partner with Microsoft.C > McNeally had plenty of time to figure it out, but didn't make the K > connection.  Sun could have competed against M$ if only they could figureb2 > out mass marketing concepts like Bill Gates did. >hE > >>    Now I wouldn't want, or expect, Sun to get into a Sun branded E > >>    Windows box, but I'd think there was a market for Sun brandedlG > >>    Intel UNIX boxes.  If DEC can learn to rebadge Tandy, Olivetti, F > >>    and other makers, there should be some way for Sun to get into > >> this market.  > >> > > F > > Sun is very unlikely to do a Sun branded Intel dektop UNIX box, anH > > AMD branded desktop UNIX box would be a much more likely propostion. > >  >tJ > Big mistake if they don't brand a desktop PC.  Just don't put M$ windows on > it.  > But it is too late now.. >s    K Huh??  Microsoft has been fairly successful without a Microsoft branded PC.b   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:34:46 GMTy$ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitablea8 Message-ID: <qRodc.1668$Wc4.5843@bcandid.telisphere.com>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > Bob Koehler wrote:C >> In article <c4hdit$l11$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison D >> SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >>B >>> Whatever argument SCO and Novell have over who owns the rightsB >>> to the UNIX IP don't apply to Sun nor would it be possible forB >>> example for SCO to revoke Sun's right to ship UNIX licenses asC >>> it has with IBM and then threaten their customers because there & >>> is no license between SCO and Sun. >> >>H >>    Hasn't stopped SCO from suing other customers over it, even though@ >>    earlier UNIX ownership contracts specifically prohibit it. >> >a< > I think SCO's argument is that the earlier contracts don't8 > specifically prohibit them from suing their customers. >oC > But again none of this applies to Sun because there is no licenseY > deal between Sun and SCO.o  K Then what did Sun buy from SCO then?  From the accounts I've heard, Sun waseG acting like they too wanted Linux dead.  But it won't happen of course.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:18:34 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>/ Subject: Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in articler6 Message-ID: <4075F9EA.B702E05A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Mike Cesari wrote: > g > In article <dJgdc.4661$j32.232@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> wrote:t > , > > So how do I make LINUX speak DECnet? :^) > > 
 > Right here:e > 0 > http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/index.html >  > (LAT is available, too.)  C I read that on Google earlier today and wondered: If you were goofyuF enough, could you do LAT over TCP/IP? Probably no software for that at4 present, but t'would be an interesting experiment...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:59:28 GMT44 From: "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com>/ Subject: Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article0% Message-ID: <4076037E.1856@yahoo.com>g   David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > Mike Cesari wrote: > >oi > > In article <dJgdc.4661$j32.232@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> wrote:  > >b. > > > So how do I make LINUX speak DECnet? :^) > > >r > > Right here:a > >e2 > > http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/index.html > >f > > (LAT is available, too.) > E > I read that on Google earlier today and wondered: If you were goofyfH > enough, could you do LAT over TCP/IP? Probably no software for that at6 > present, but t'would be an interesting experiment...  F Maybe with tunneling and then basically bridging the MAC layer betweenH the two networks.  LAT is heavily broadcast based and it does not route,< only bridge.  In fact, LAT never worked on Token-Ring due toD insufficient number of functional addresses (IBM's term) available. F Ethernet has plenty of broadcast addresses but TR seemed to be limited to 20.  G It has been 12+ years since I had to deal with LAT.  My former division B was an Ethernet based DEC shop in a large IBM Token-Ring mainframeG corporation.  When the corporation started moving to TCP/IP in 1992, wenD were ready and dumped all of the proprietary protocols; DECnet, LAT,B LAST, NETBEUI.  DECServer 700's did TCP/IP and TELNET very nicely.   >  > -- > David J. Dachteras > dba DJE Systems/ > http://www.djesys.com/ >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:21:20 -0600g% From: e-mail@end_of.msg (Mike Cesari)i/ Subject: Re: VAX *and* VMS mentioned in article . Message-ID: <e-mail-0804042021200001@10.0.1.2>  x In article <4075F9EA.B702E05A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote:   > Mike Cesari wrote: > > i > > In article <dJgdc.4661$j32.232@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> wrote:  > > . > > > So how do I make LINUX speak DECnet? :^) > > >  > > Right here:u > > 2 > > http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/index.html > >  > > (LAT is available, too.) > E > I read that on Google earlier today and wondered: If you were goofywH > enough, could you do LAT over TCP/IP? Probably no software for that at6 > present, but t'would be an interesting experiment...  I I use the LAT server on MacOSX to talk to the PDP10 emulator (klh10) that1K is running TOPS-10. Is that goofy enough? :-) (These days my VMS involvmentn5 is as a hobbyist with a 600au.) That's life, I guess.n   Mike -- s mcesarir (at) comcast(dot)nete   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:08:30 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: VMS?85 Message-ID: <4075F78E.38D8AD5@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>    Wayne wrote: > [snip]N > I love VMS - have used it for years - but am afraid I won't be using it muchN > longer, in large part due to HP's unwillingness to promote it.  Although I'mM > a big fan of VMS, if HP doesn't care to sell it, I don't see how I can.  Itd > makes me sick.  C I took the liberty of forwarding your comments in their entirety to0% Carly, Mark Gorham and Carl Gallozzi.t   -- 2 David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/D   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.198 ************************