1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 11 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 201       Contents: Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards5 Re: Finding the Number of users logged on ever 15 min 5 Re: Finding the Number of users logged on ever 15 min 5 Re: Finding the Number of users logged on ever 15 min " For Sale BA356+PM+Disks+SCSI cable FTP service failure " OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install& Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install& Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install& Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install& Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install& RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install; Re: TCP/IP $qio io$_setmode!io$m_readattn and local $dassgn ; Re: TCP/IP $qio io$_setmode!io$m_readattn and local $dassgn + Re: VMS Hobbyist License program abolished? + Re: VMS Hobbyist License program abolished? " Re: VMS Security checking software& Re: WEBES install failing on DCLTABLES  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2004 23:02:13 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404102202.32b367c2@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4075F601.B9D96818@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > Didier Morandi wrote: 
 > > [snip] > > And in Fortran:  > > 3 > >   if (.not. status) call lib$stop(%val(status))  > ( > Just curious - would FORTRAN choke on: > / > if (.not.status) call lib$stop(%val(status))   >  > ...? (Hi, Alan!)  	 Hi David!   F I like it! I find it to be very readable. Of course, as the other AlanF has mentioned, it has to start in column 7, or a higher column number, IIRC.   A It's been a while since I did FORTRAN. But when I did use it, you E could also use TAB to "skip over" columns 1-6, so to speak. But doing = that would probably make it less portable! I think that was a & VAX/FORTRAN feature, but I'm not sure.  E I am somewhat surprised that you can add random spaces as John Briggs C noted. I guess that explains the FORTRAN spacing in VAXTREK II. (!) > Question: Would it still work if you took out all the spaces?!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:52:15 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards : Message-ID: <c5atfg$2p6b0d$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>   Alan E. Feldman wrote: > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4075F601.B9D96818@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... >  >>Didier Morandi wrote:  >>	 >>>[snip]  >>>And in Fortran: >>> 2 >>>  if (.not. status) call lib$stop(%val(status)) >>( >>Just curious - would FORTRAN choke on: >>/ >>if (.not.status) call lib$stop(%val(status))   >> >>...? (Hi, Alan!) >  >  > Hi David!  > H > I like it! I find it to be very readable. Of course, as the other AlanH > has mentioned, it has to start in column 7, or a higher column number, > IIRC.  > C > It's been a while since I did FORTRAN. But when I did use it, you G > could also use TAB to "skip over" columns 1-6, so to speak. But doing ? > that would probably make it less portable! I think that was a ( > VAX/FORTRAN feature, but I'm not sure. > G > I am somewhat surprised that you can add random spaces as John Briggs E > noted. I guess that explains the FORTRAN spacing in VAXTREK II. (!) @ > Question: Would it still work if you took out all the spaces?!  H Yes, FORTRAN strips spaces (except those in quotes) out of lines before  it parses them:             Integer*4       status           status=4 2          if(.not.status)calllib$stop(%val(status))          end  7 Compiles cleanly and when run gives the expected error.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:30:51 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 6 Message-ID: <00A302FD.DA369377@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  n In article <b096a4ee.0404102202.32b367c2@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: >"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4075F601.B9D96818@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...  >> Didier Morandi wrote: >> > [snip]  >> > And in Fortran: >> >  4 >> >   if (.not. status) call lib$stop(%val(status)) >>  ) >> Just curious - would FORTRAN choke on:  >>  0 >> if (.not.status) call lib$stop(%val(status))  >>   >> ...? (Hi, Alan!)  > 
 >Hi David! > G >I like it! I find it to be very readable. Of course, as the other Alan G >has mentioned, it has to start in column 7, or a higher column number,  >IIRC. > B >It's been a while since I did FORTRAN. But when I did use it, youF >could also use TAB to "skip over" columns 1-6, so to speak. But doing> >that would probably make it less portable! I think that was a' >VAX/FORTRAN feature, but I'm not sure.  > F >I am somewhat surprised that you can add random spaces as John BriggsD >noted. I guess that explains the FORTRAN spacing in VAXTREK II. (!)? >Question: Would it still work if you took out all the spaces?!   J Yes.  The thing is that space isn't a token delimiter; I'm pretty sure theL parsers just squish out all the unquoted (unHollerithed) spaces first thing.K But Fortran parsers have a tough time of it anyway; they have to be able to  handle    L       format(A17) = 3.972  ! Set the value in array format at the subscript L                            ! represented by the value of the variable A17 to#                            ! 3.972   and   O 8001  format(A17)          ! This is a format declaration of a 17character long D                            ! string to be used with an io statement.     -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 06:12:37 GMT , From: Wesley Dunnahoo <wdunnahoo@mndspng.cm>> Subject: Re: Finding the Number of users logged on ever 15 minA Message-ID: <pfMdc.3003$zj3.696@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>   H I can't remember the syntax and I'm not at a VMS prompt so I can't look  it up right now.  C If you have system accounting enabled, you should be able to run a  I report looking for interactive only between date/time a and date/time b.  H   That's how we tracked it at a place I used to work.  I don't remember F the syntax because it ran automatically at the end of the month and a G program read the accounting output file to produce expense reports for   each group of users.   heuveltjes wrote: : > "heuveltjes" <heuveltjes@email.msn.com> wrote in message( > news:40777928$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... >  >>'One liner':H >>$ perl -e "open (X,"">>x.x""); foreach $_ (`show users`){$at=$1 if(/at< >>(.*)$/); if (/users = (\d+)/){print X ""$at $1\n"";last}}" >  > K > I forgot to present the command line output redirecting build in for perl  > like > and >> . > Using that you can drop the open  X, print X > J > $ perl -e "foreach $_ (`show users`){$at=$1 if(/at (.*)$/); if (/users =+ > (\d+)/){print ""$at $1\n"";last}}" >> x.x  >  > Hein.  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:01:26 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>> Subject: Re: Finding the Number of users logged on ever 15 min) Message-ID: <40779B9E.20C074D6@istop.com>   N Note that the SHOW USERS command, if you parse only the second line, the usersK = X lists the number of usernames that have an interactive process, not the   number of interactive processes.  J For instance, if you have a single (shared) username used by 20 people, it- will show "1" even thought you have 20 users.   M You can use a DCL loop with F$GETJPI to loop through all users, filtering out J non-interactive users and then you have an accurate count. If you run in a3 cluster, this will also giev you clusterwide users.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:56:41 GMT * From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.spamcom>> Subject: Re: Finding the Number of users logged on ever 15 min8 Message-ID: <1lrf709eggqo7giqdqb6f03jippfap9klm@4ax.com>  F On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 04:23:50 GMT, G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.spamcom> wrote: Michael:  E THis is GREAT but it does not work as a submitted job.  WHen I submit E it to sys$batch the number of users shows as 0 when I spawn it or run " oit interactivly it works GREAT..    Any thoguhts????   Gary  
 >>$startloop: 
 >>$cnt = 0 >>$pid_context = ""  >>$loop: >>$ pid = f$pid(pid_context)% >>$ if pid .EQS. "" then goto endloop @ >>$ if f$getjpi(pid,"mode") .eqs. "INTERACTIVE" then cnt = cnt+1 >>$goto loop >>$endloop: ? >>$ write sys$output "Number of users at ''f$time()' is ''cnt'"  >>$ open/append ofile data.dat: >>$ write ofile "Number of users at ''f$time()' is ''cnt'" >>$ close ofile  >>$wait 00:00:05 >>$goto startloop  >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:47:23 +0200 # From: "Cor" <smith_133@hotmail.com> + Subject: For Sale BA356+PM+Disks+SCSI cable 2 Message-ID: <c58c7n$68d$1@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  	 For Sale: 3 2x BA356 with Powersupply and PM (200 Euro a piece)   18 Gb disks 7x (95 Euro a piece) 9 GB 6x (75 Euro a piece)   6 If you need further information: smith_133@hotmail.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:54:49 -0400 1 From: joseph.b.gurman@nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman)  Subject: FTP service failure< Message-ID: <joseph.b.gurman-1004040954490001@192.168.1.254>  J     When trying to ftp into a 7.2-1 machine with TCPIP services 5.0A - ECOJ 2, I get "550 Failed to open file." Naturally, I have no idea to what fileG this refers. We use the machine with the ftp server to generate several H files for Web content, and have been using ftp reliably for severalyears= to grab the content. It failed around 22:00 EDT last evening.   H     I've poked around, looking for files with 32767 version numbers, but came up empty-handed.        Any clues appreciated.       TIA,                     Joe Gurman   --  G "I love deadlines. I love the whooshing sound they make as they go by." F                                           - Douglas Adams, 1952 - 2001A Joseph B. Gurman, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Solar Physics  Branch, Greenbelt MD 20771 USA   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2004 07:17:48 -0700+ From: jfragemann@hotmail.com (J. Fragemann) + Subject: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install = Message-ID: <d9fe5cb4.0404110617.21572142@posting.google.com>    Hi,   D I have an Alphaserver 400 4/233. I want to learn something new, so I< am trying to install OpenVMS 7.3- 1 from Montagar instead of installing WNT.   2 I've upgraded its firmware to V7.0-9, available atC http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/, (can be found under  "Firmware Not on CD").  
 I use the    boot -flags 0,0 dka400  D command to boot the system. OpenVMS then boots up but then my system halts. It says:     C **** OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System V7.3-1    -  BUGCHECK ****   < ** Bugcheck code = 0000036C: PROCGONE, Process not in system; ** Crash CPU: 00    Primary CPU: 00   Active CPUs: 00000001  ** Current Process = SYSINIT ** Current PSB ID = 00000001 ** Image Name =   3 **** Error log buffers not dumped to SYS$ERRLOG.DMP 1 **** Canceled mempry dump, no dump file available           SYSTEM SHUTDOWN COMPLETE    halted CPU 0
 halt code = 5  HALT instruction executed  PC = ffffffff800cb884  >>>     E Now, what's going on here?  I'm a novice on OpenVMS, so help would be  greatly appreciated.' How do i get on with the installation??    Thanks,  Jrgen   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:26:21 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install * Message-ID: <c5bkhm$2ukl$1@news.wplus.net>  8 "J. Fragemann" <jfragemann@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:d9fe5cb4.0404110617.21572142@posting.google.com...  > Hi,  > F > I have an Alphaserver 400 4/233. I want to learn something new, so I> > am trying to install OpenVMS 7.3- 1 from Montagar instead of > installing WNT.  > 4 > I've upgraded its firmware to V7.0-9, available atE > http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/, (can be found under  > "Firmware Not on CD"). >  > I use the  >  > boot -flags 0,0 dka400 > F > command to boot the system. OpenVMS then boots up but then my system > halts. It says:  >  > E > **** OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System V7.3-1    -  BUGCHECK ****  > > > ** Bugcheck code = 0000036C: PROCGONE, Process not in system= > ** Crash CPU: 00    Primary CPU: 00   Active CPUs: 00000001  > ** Current Process = SYSINIT > ** Current PSB ID = 00000001 > ** Image Name =  > 5 > **** Error log buffers not dumped to SYS$ERRLOG.DMP 3 > **** Canceled mempry dump, no dump file available  > ! >        SYSTEM SHUTDOWN COMPLETE  >  > halted CPU 0 > halt code = 5  > HALT instruction executed  > PC = ffffffff800cb884  > >>>  >  > G > Now, what's going on here?  I'm a novice on OpenVMS, so help would be  > greatly appreciated.) > How do i get on with the installation??  > 	 > Thanks,  > Jrgen  D Can you post the output of "show *", before you boot. I take it this reproduces if you try it again?    Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:26:52 +0200 # From: Jonas Nielsen <jonaskhn@c.dk> / Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install ) Message-ID: <BC9F4C7C.116C%jonaskhn@c.dk>    Hi  F > Can you post the output of "show *", before you boot. I take it this! > reproduces if you try it again?   1 Yes, if I try it again the same thing happens ...   G Can this in any way be related to the fact that I use a generic toshiba  CD-ROM?    Output of 'show *'   auto_action          HALT # boot_dev             dka100.1.0.6.0 	 boot_file  boot_osflags         3 boot_reset           OFF# bootdef_dev          dka100.1.0.6.0 
 booted_dev booted_file  booted_osflags bus_probe_algorithm  old char_set             0 consolde             graphics  control_disfd        enable  control_idema        enable  control_irq11        scsi  control_irq12        mouse control_scsi_term   internal controlp             OFF dump_dev enable_audit        OFF  ffauto              OFF  ffnext              OFF  kdb_hardware_type   PCXAL  language            30 language_name       Dansk  license             MU mopv3_boot          OFF  os_type             OpenVMS < pal                 VMS PALcode V5.56-2, OSF PALcode X1.46-2 pci_parity          off  pka0_disconnect     1  pka0_fast           1  pka0_host_id        7  quick_start         OFF  scsi_poll           ON srm2ctrl srm2dev  sys_serial_num tga_sync_green      0  timer_tps           1  tt_allow_login      1  tty_dev             0 / version             V7.0-9 Mar 18 1999 13:25:37  >>>    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2004 17:34:43 GMT# From: Jonas Nielsen <jonaskhn@c.dk> / Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install : Message-ID: <407981b3$0$214$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:41:35 +0200 - From: "J. Fragemann" <jfragemann@hotmail.com> / Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install : Message-ID: <40798339$0$226$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk>   Hi  F > Can you post the output of "show *", before you boot. I take it this! > reproduces if you try it again?   1 Yes, if I try it again the same thing happens ...   G Can this in any way be related to the fact that I use a generic toshiba  CD-ROM?    Output of 'show *':   ( auto_action                         HALT2 boot_dev                            dka100.1.0.6.0	 boot_file $ boot_osflags                       3' boot_reset                          OFF 0 bootdef_dev                       dka100.1.0.6.0
 booted_dev booted_file  booted_osflags  bus_probe_algorithm          old& char_set                             0, consolde                            graphics) control_disfd                      enable ' control_idema                    enable & control_irq11                     scsi' control_irq12                     mouse ( control_scsi_term               internal( controlp                             OFF dump_dev% enable_audit                      OFF ) ffauto                                OFF ) ffnext                                OFF   kdb_hardware_type          PCXAL% language                           30 G language_name                 Dansk (this is not an error, Danish is my  native language)' license                              MU ! mopv3_boot                    OFF ) os_type                           OpenVMS E pal                                  VMS PALcode V5.56-2, OSF PALcode  X1.46-2 % pci_parity                        off  pka0_disconnect             1 " pka0_fast                        1 pka0_host_id                  7 " quick_start                    OFF# scsi_poll                        ON  srm2ctrl srm2dev  sys_serial_num tga_sync_green             0  timer_tps                      1 tt_allow_login               1! tty_dev                         0 ; version                         V7.0-9 Mar 18 1999 13:25:37  >>>   
 Kind regards,  Jrgen   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:39:05 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> / Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEDMDBAA.tom@kednos.com>   	 What does  >>> SHO DEV tell you?   I There have been similar questions from time to time so check the archive.      -----Original Message-----,   From: Jonas Nielsen [mailto:jonaskhn@c.dk]'   Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 10:27 AM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1   Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install          Hi   H   > Can you post the output of "show *", before you boot. I take it this#   > reproduces if you try it again?    3   Yes, if I try it again the same thing happens ...    I   Can this in any way be related to the fact that I use a generic toshiba 	   CD-ROM?       Output of 'show *'      auto_action          HALT %   boot_dev             dka100.1.0.6.0    boot_file    boot_osflags         3   boot_reset           OFF%   bootdef_dev          dka100.1.0.6.0    booted_dev
   booted_file    booted_osflags   bus_probe_algorithm  old   char_set             0   consolde             graphics    control_disfd        enable    control_idema        enable    control_irq11        scsi    control_irq12        mouse   control_scsi_term   internal   controlp             OFF
   dump_dev   enable_audit        OFF    ffauto              OFF    ffnext              OFF    kdb_hardware_type   PCXAL    language            30   language_name       Dansk    license             MU   mopv3_boot          OFF    os_type             OpenVMS >   pal                 VMS PALcode V5.56-2, OSF PALcode X1.46-2   pci_parity          off    pka0_disconnect     1    pka0_fast           1    pka0_host_id        7    quick_start         OFF    scsi_poll           ON
   srm2ctrl	   srm2dev    sys_serial_num   tga_sync_green      0    timer_tps           1    tt_allow_login      1    tty_dev             0 1   version             V7.0-9 Mar 18 1999 13:25:37    >>>       --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 06:48:35 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> D Subject: Re: TCP/IP $qio io$_setmode!io$m_readattn and local $dassgn/ Message-ID: <c5apo1$9mi$1@titan.btinternet.com>    Hi Stan,  A > Doing a $CANCEL on the channel should fire your AST immediately   I Nope. (To be fare I didn't check the status from my $cancel for the test, # but I know where I'd put my money.)   G > In some sense, you "know" that you disconnected the connection -- you # > called function to disconnect it.   I Yes you're right.  I certainly know what's happening, but I don't see why H the BG driver should presume to be in the best position to dictate to myI Thread X the best way to inform Thread Y that it should die. (Naturally I J should have thought of looking in the UCX documentation for all the rights, and wrongs of inter-thread communication :-)  ; > Why expect an AST to tell you something you already know?   J My expectation was simply one of consistency. If a Read Attention AST willH only ever do what it says on the tin and fire when AND ONLY WHEN there'sL something to be read then that's peachy. But if it tries to double as a linkL status monitor for remote partner failure then I would have expected that it! would trap local failure as well.   L > Worst-case, you could certain do a $DCLAST after you break the connection.  L Yeah, how bad could that be? So now my (piss-poorly named) link_pend_io flagI is no longer a simple binary Y/N indicator and has evolved into a full-on G counting outstanding_asynch_event_count semaphore. I can't clean up the L memory et al associated with a remote connection until OAEC = 0? I think I'm going backwards.  C > You're going to have to spend some "quality time" with the device  > driver manual(s).   L Nah. The good news is (at least for me and in this particular case) a simpleJ asynchronous PEEK with a completion AST did exactly what I wanted the Read? Attention AST to do. And the full gamut of statii is available.   D Anyway thanks for the reply. I thought everyone else would be off on	 holidays.    Regards Richard Maher L (Who isn't really sad enough to be writing this at this time but just tryingH to get warm after hiding/rustling Easter eggs all morning. Ahhh but thenK there's lunch; and I get to discover alchohol all over again. It'll be just  like the first time :-)   ; Stanley F. Quayle <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote in message ' news:4077F9DB.959.12C65BDA@localhost... B > > How can I force the Read Attention AST to fire when _I_ kill a8 > > connection? Do I have to go for an outstanding Peek? > B > Doing a $CANCEL on the channel should fire your AST immediately. > E > > If I can trap ss$_linkdiscon with a read attention AST for remote  > > failure then why not local?  > G > In some sense, you "know" that you disconnected the connection -- you B > called function to disconnect it.  Why expect an AST to tell youA > something you already know?  Worst-case, you could certain do a ) > $DCLAST after you break the connection.  > F > > OTOH Am I GUARANTEED (hand on heart hope to die) that the AST will. > > *NOT EVER* fire under these circumstances? > C > You're going to have to spend some "quality time" with the device  > driver manual(s).  >  > >  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA F > Preferred address:  stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:27:29 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>D Subject: Re: TCP/IP $qio io$_setmode!io$m_readattn and local $dassgn- Message-ID: <407947C1.1032.3368026@localhost>   F > Anyway thanks for the reply. I thought everyone else would be off on > holidays.   A Some of consultants work 7x24 (or it seems that way sometimes)...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA D Preferred address:  stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 06:51:58 GMT + From: "Dan Notov" <danno@large.INVALID.com> 4 Subject: Re: VMS Hobbyist License program abolished?, Message-ID: <iW5ec.9259$xn4.31057@attbi_s51>  ; "Starboy" <sNtOaSrPbAoMyTAaolnospamtodcom> wrote in message * news:107ffuip9i46i45@corp.supernews.com... >  >  > John Smith wrote:  > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >  > >>In articleI > >><Xr01c.66052$ah.17182@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John # > >>Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > >>I > >>>And while Mark is loking into it, suggest that he allow the Hobbyist H > >>>licenses to be used by all educational institutions, K-12, colleges@ > >>>and universities as long as they are used for instructionalF > >>>purposes. Seems to me that the Hobbyist licenses are less onerous6 > >>>and less expensive than the Educational licenses. > >>G > >>Already been suggested on a number of occasions.  And rejected each  > >>and every time.  > >  > >  > > J > > HP just isn't to be taken seriously then. A serious company identifiesB > > what's wrong and takes constructive steps to fix the problems. > > F > > Just how freaking hard is it to takes steps to make VMS visible inK > > ..edu-land? Not hard, unless your intent as a corporation is to keep it I > > invisible so that nobody would go out of their way to ask for it once  theyI > > reached the working world after having been exposed to it in college.  > C > Considering that the US Navy still conducts OpenVMS Internals and @ > Drivers Training, I think you just answered your own question. > F > If male adolescent aggression can be redirected to hacking MicrosoftI > Windows and LINUX, then the risk to OpenVMS-based government systems is E > reduced, and the risk to anyone running anything else is increased.  > Including the bad guys.  > H > Of course, the better solution is to put them all on Prozac as soon as! > they start sprouting chin hair.  >  > > H > > If it was just begnin neglect, HP would have done something about it after I > > it had been brought to their attention. But it isn't begnin neglect -  it'sJ > > deliberate policy - In some worlds it is called 'planned attrition' or > > 'downsizing'.  > >  > J > In some corridors, "benign neglect" is called "Homeland Security," whichC > is why EDS's Chelmsford, MA, Legacy Software division has quietly G > inherited software application support and maintenance for DECwindows F > and other "Legacy" OpenVMS application software, like DEC ACMS.  EDSJ > doesn't just own those support contracts to protect their Appex cellularE > telephony billing applications, which account for 42% of the global E > wireless billing systems, the fastest growing telecom market on the  > planet next to satellite TV. > J > The other "EDS"-like company to watch is ACS, the other guys from Texas,F > who run automated toll-booths, traffic surveillance/control systems,E > guaranteed student loans, medicare payment systems, welfare payment A > systems, alimony tracking systems, HIPAA-compliant patient-care H > information systems, tax collection systems, customs and border-patrolG > systems, and prison administration systems.  ACS still sends staff to . > OpenVMS training on a regular basis as well. > H > ACS really got interesting, because, in 1995, Compaq was more than 50%F > owned by German interests (anyone remember Eckhard Pfeiffer?) and soD > Compaq was disqualified from running and was then forced to divestJ > itself from DEC's US and several key state government service contracts,G > which were quietly sold to ACS, thereby effectively reducing Compaq's C > OpenVMS software and system services income by 35%.  That was one J > poison-pill that Pfeiffer failed to appreciate, which was another reasonA > why he got the boot from Compaq by Ben Rosen about a year after $ > Pfeiffer's acquisition of Digital. > G > So, one might hypothesize that HP will only get serious about OpenVMS K > when and if they acquire ACS to re-acquire those US government contracts. 3 [Rest of the interesting history lesson deleted...]   G Interesting, I missed this bit about ACS. After the acquisition of DEC, K Compaq created a separate entity, "Compaq Federal, LLC." to support all the I US federal business due to Mr. Pfeiffer's citizenship. It was not that he L had >50% interest, it was that he was an non-US citizen and officer. Nothing5 was done about covering State & Local Gov't business?   F Fast forward to today, ACS and Lockheed Martin IT have swapped bodies:L Lockheed picked up ACS federal business, ACS gets LMT's commercial business:C http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/18_10/federal/21490-1.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:38:28 -0700 . From: Starboy <sNtOaSrPbAoMyTAaolnospamtodcom>4 Subject: Re: VMS Hobbyist License program abolished?0 Message-ID: <107ffuip9i46i45@corp.supernews.com>   John Smith wrote:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >  >>In articleG >><Xr01c.66052$ah.17182@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John ! >>Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >>G >>>And while Mark is loking into it, suggest that he allow the Hobbyist F >>>licenses to be used by all educational institutions, K-12, colleges> >>>and universities as long as they are used for instructionalD >>>purposes. Seems to me that the Hobbyist licenses are less onerous4 >>>and less expensive than the Educational licenses. >>E >>Already been suggested on a number of occasions.  And rejected each  >>and every time.  >  >  > H > HP just isn't to be taken seriously then. A serious company identifies@ > what's wrong and takes constructive steps to fix the problems. > D > Just how freaking hard is it to takes steps to make VMS visible inI > ..edu-land? Not hard, unless your intent as a corporation is to keep it L > invisible so that nobody would go out of their way to ask for it once theyG > reached the working world after having been exposed to it in college.   A Considering that the US Navy still conducts OpenVMS Internals and > Drivers Training, I think you just answered your own question.  D If male adolescent aggression can be redirected to hacking MicrosoftG Windows and LINUX, then the risk to OpenVMS-based government systems is C reduced, and the risk to anyone running anything else is increased.  Including the bad guys.   F Of course, the better solution is to put them all on Prozac as soon as they start sprouting chin hair.    > L > If it was just begnin neglect, HP would have done something about it afterL > it had been brought to their attention. But it isn't begnin neglect - it'sH > deliberate policy - In some worlds it is called 'planned attrition' or > 'downsizing'.  >   H In some corridors, "benign neglect" is called "Homeland Security," whichA is why EDS's Chelmsford, MA, Legacy Software division has quietly E inherited software application support and maintenance for DECwindows D and other "Legacy" OpenVMS application software, like DEC ACMS.  EDSH doesn't just own those support contracts to protect their Appex cellularC telephony billing applications, which account for 42% of the global C wireless billing systems, the fastest growing telecom market on the  planet next to satellite TV.  H The other "EDS"-like company to watch is ACS, the other guys from Texas,D who run automated toll-booths, traffic surveillance/control systems,C guaranteed student loans, medicare payment systems, welfare payment ? systems, alimony tracking systems, HIPAA-compliant patient-care F information systems, tax collection systems, customs and border-patrolE systems, and prison administration systems.  ACS still sends staff to , OpenVMS training on a regular basis as well.  F ACS really got interesting, because, in 1995, Compaq was more than 50%D owned by German interests (anyone remember Eckhard Pfeiffer?) and soB Compaq was disqualified from running and was then forced to divestH itself from DEC's US and several key state government service contracts,E which were quietly sold to ACS, thereby effectively reducing Compaq's A OpenVMS software and system services income by 35%.  That was one H poison-pill that Pfeiffer failed to appreciate, which was another reason? why he got the boot from Compaq by Ben Rosen about a year after " Pfeiffer's acquisition of Digital.  E So, one might hypothesize that HP will only get serious about OpenVMS I when and if they acquire ACS to re-acquire those US government contracts.   C Remember that Ken Olsen's TX-0 and PDP-1 were developed at MIT with G funding authorized by a venture capital company named American Research H Development Corporation (ARD) closely run by General William Donovan (US? Army, OSS, Korea) and General D'orio (French Army), to do what?e  C To deliver the first missile-based ground-air defense system on the1H planet; To direct Nike interceptor missiles based within twenty miles ofE major US cities, tipped with 40 kiloton warheads with effective blastCF radiuses greater than twenty miles, against fleets of Russian bombers. That didn't exist.  ? But Ike had a recession going on in the fifties, so like a good E Republican, he let the kids run "duck-and-cover" nuclear survival and H fall-out shelter drills, along with the Roswell story, to keep the moneyG flowing.  Oh, and Roswell and Crawford are well within the range of theaD Nike missiles that were based at Fort Bliss, El Paso, TX, and tested over White Sands, NM.o  E Luckily, the radar tracking stuff worked so well that Hughes AircraftnC continued to support the systems even after the FAA re-deployed the-? technology as the first US Civilian Air Traffic Control System.k  G Then Reagan decided to end the Cold War.  Then Hughes Aircraft was soldgE by the Summa Corporation to benefit the Hughes Medical Institute, andaH split with the government radar and missile contracts going to Raytheon,H the same guys who delivered the Phoenix and Patriot missile systems, andH the satellite systems expertise going to GM/Hughes Electronics, the same! guys with the GM On-Star service.w  E Then GM sold the Hughes Space and Communications subsidiary to Boeing)H for $4.6B, which not only included the big Hughes satellite plant in Los> Angeles, but also included the only sea-worthy geo-synchronousF satellite launch platform in the world, the converted floating oil-rigG known as, SeaLaunch, which lives in Los Angeles Harbor when it isn't atBD sea in the Pacific with the launch control ship, SeaCommander.  BTW:L Hughes Aircraft's Glomar Explorer is still mothballed in Los Angeles Harbor.  F And then in 2003, GM sold a 34% interest in Hughes Electronics to NewsE Corp for $6.5B in order to pay their retirees as the GM Pension PlansI@ were short some $17B by the end of 2003 due to their unfortunateH investment in Daewoo of S. Korea.  So today, 2004, Hughes Electronics isD known as the DIRECTV Group, the guys delivering over 300-channels ofH video on KU-band aviation radar spectrum to your favorite SUV, using theG KVH micro-chip enabled synthetic aperture phased array receiver system,PE including all of the "adult education" channels, which might distracti. neighboring drivers stuck in traffic with you.  H Also, the DIRECTV Group has near total control of over 16 million 32-bitH processors in the United States on a dedicated satellite-based wide-areaE IP network with advanced crypto capabilities developed and managed by H NDS, Israel, a subsidiary of News Corp.  The network has over 16 millionH modems that could be tied to the long distance phone lines of the UnitedA States, and has been known to launch successful denial-of-serviceTH attacks against the long distance network at least twice in the last tenG years, because of software introduced by NDS, Israel, to all the littlea* black boxes across the US.  Via satellite.  F BTW: NDS Israel is the designer and sole source of the very same smartE cards that were successfully pirated by the boat-loads when News CorpsC failed at their first attempt to acquire DIRECTV in 2001, for $26B,o; thereby souring the milk that fed GM, its retirees, and itst< shareholders.  They are also the same guys who published theA crypto-algorithms for Canal/Plus Vivendi's cable-box smart cards.s  F Is all fair in love and war?  Maybe someone should ask the DoJ and the< SEC.  The first Mrs. Rupert Murdoch probably knows for sure.  F Within the last two weeks, News Corp decided to announce the "move" ofH their corporate headquarters from Adelaide, Australia, to New York City,H to ensure that they wouldn't be forced to divest News Corp from the veryC interesting government contracts held by G2, formerly Hughes Global1D Satellite Services, the subsidiary of the DIRECTV Group that managesF government satellites in orbit.  Afterall, foreign financing isn't theF same as domestic ownership.  As Bill O'Reilly would say, "You decide!"  H Oh, and by the way, Eckhard Pfeiffer was on the board of directors of GMF and Hughes Electronics for the last nine years.  I'm sure he knows the( importance of government contracts, now.  G Blame Bob Palmer, another Texan, for investing in synchrotron-generatedrG soft X-ray chip fab technology, which ended up at Intel, AMD, Motorola,nE and IBM, instead of the DEC business, but he does get some credit forsG tweaking Intel and Itanium in 2004 by having the temerity to join AMD'skA board of directors and helping to ensure that the AMD Opteron andm@ Athlon64s would become a marketing success, through superior DECF engineering.  Bob did understand both chip physics and economics, evenG if he didn't appreciate the people-side of the software application andnE services business.  When the numbers are right, even a mouse like AMDeE can trip an elephant like Intel, and back then, his focus was on IBM.m  E If you want a fast CPU with the ability to crunch really big numbers,)D using VLIW and software superscalar technology, then you must followG Cray's dictum:  Keep it simple; Keep it small; Keep it cold.  The firsttD Cray's were booted by VAX's afterall, and the Cray T3E's had awesomeH Alpha-based compute power for their time, which got us to the EV7 designD center, which is shared with the AMD Opterons.  (It's really painfulH knowing that Gores Technology owns the support and maintenance contractsH for the T3E's and the Connection Machines.)  There is no good reason forH the Intel Itanium to generate a minimum of 100 watts of heat, unless you$ like making pizza with a light bulb.  D BTW: That one spiffy new Daewoo plant in S. Korea that GM was reallyC interested in owning?  It produces components and finished cars and F trucks for delivery to China, whose oil consumption rate has increasedG rapidly, thereby lowering the US market supply of gasoline, as highways,D and asphalt roadways are extended from Southern China to the westernH provinces.  Since China does not accept foreign currencies in trade, for? every finished car or truck received, several thousand finished F petroleum derived plastic toys and other goods are sent back to the USH through Los Angeles Harbor, which is served by thousands of trucks every day.  B Makes you wonder exactly why GM's board decided to stop the marketC release of their first consumer hybrid vehicle in favor of creating @ hybrid trucks and buses.  Maybe its for the same reason that theC electric Red Car Line street trolley cars were bought out by the GMpF financed Metropolitan Coach Lines from 1953-to-1961, and then replacedF by the totally inadequate highway system around Los Angeles.  Or maybeG because Daimler Ballard's catalyst-based hydrogen fuel-cell based power"G is closer than GM wants to admit, aside from the fact that the hydrogen L will be provided by hydrogen reformers attached to your local gasoline pump.  H Given that Greenland is melting, GM could consider developing a bus-sizeF hybrid all-terrain Hummer3 that has flotation tanks and propellers, asB well as the traditional Hummer engine snorkel.  It might spell the; future return of GM's WWII amphibious DUKW, aka "The Duck."-  F In the meantime, I'll just go out and fill-up my car with more $2.84 aD gallon gasoline.  Thank goodness, it's a Toyota Prius, with about 60D miles to the gallon, designed by a friendly island nation, seriouslyF threatened by rising sea-levels.  Thank goodness, Ken Olsen got his VCG funding back in 1957.  The Prius has more CPU's than my home computers,sF and its network operating system is NOT from Microsoft.  It's probablyD more closely related to the real-time VAXelan and Wind River VXworksG than I want to admit.  Leastwise, I haven't BSD'd at 75 miles per hour.o  E Meantime, FOR THOSE OF YOU STILL THINKING OF LEAVING OpenVMS - take ah look at:  + http://www-fd.fsl.noaa.gov/papers/quin.htmll  E "TRANSITION OF COMPUTER SYSTEMS TO AN OPEN SYSTEMS ENVIRONMENT AT THEaA FORECAST SYSTEMS LABORATORY", by Quin A. Wright, US NOAA Forecastr' Systems Laboratory, Boulder, CO (1995).e  G A world ecology reduced to profit numbers managed by MBA's gets what itaB deserves:  Pray that the bean counters let you have the budget andE manpower to get your OpenVMS migration job done.  And then, get an IT H job with your immediate competitor.  They are going to need help to takeH up the market slack after your present employer tanks and is bought out.  D I wonder what the odds are that Microsoft's secure operating system,; "Palladium," is actually the OpenVMS kernel running a safer.C Windows-32/64-bit API? An API with an implementation of the OpenVMSCC string descriptors, guaranteed atomic execution instructions, and ap4 privilege conscious virtual memory operating system?  H I get the feeling that HP would be willing to sell OpenVMS' intellectualF property to the right buyer, since Compaq sold Microsoft the rights to< implement "clustering" -- though admittedly, half-heartedly.  F This could explain why "Palladium" is rumored to be delayed to releaseE until 2006, the year after Compaq first guaranteed continuing OpenVMS># and Alpha support to its customers.p  C Coincidence?  Maybe the ex-DEC folks sabotaging Microsoft marketing6* might comment? I'm sure Dave Cutler won't.   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Apr 2004 08:23:40 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com>r+ Subject: Re: VMS Security checking softwaren6 Message-ID: <Xns94C769FAFB86dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>  6 Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote in3 news:c588om$2piasa$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de: -  # > On 2004-04-08 10:06, "Doc" wrote:. > C >> If you want to test your user password strength there's John the 4 >> Ripper, see http://deathrow.vistech.net/john.html >> t >> [...] > # > The link to the DeathRow Archivesa, > <ftp://manson.vistech.net/john-the-ripper>$ > just returns a "550 not found" :-(    Add a trailing / and it'll work.  ) ftp://manson.vistech.net/john-the-ripper/   5 > I've sent a mail to the presumed webmaster address.   > I just checked the page source, I don't see the link you gave.     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.mG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2004 10:14:50 -0700. From: alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels)/ Subject: Re: WEBES install failing on DCLTABLESO= Message-ID: <9f7f13a8.0404110914.663235a3@posting.google.com>1  e David Gray <police@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:<jlp570lbfaia0bjmj5tuc5f9ncl6p1rbse@4ax.com>...n > Greetings group,   >  > OpenVMS 7.3-2  > Alpha server ES45  > DEC AXPVMS WEBES V4.3-1' >  > D > Having problems installing WEBES on an Alpha server.  InstallationB > goes fine until it tries to add the startup/shutdown commands to > systartup_vms.   l >  > < > Portion done: 0%...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...90% >  n3 > DESTA$STARTUP and DESTA$SHUTDOWN will be added tol5 > system startup and shutdown procedures, by default.B? > Answering NO will add DESTA_LOGICALS$STARTUP, for defining ofhA > ONLY LOGICALS but won't start the DESTA Director during Reboot.o > Do you want to add?[YES] >   F > %SET-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE;100 as > inputM$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file >   D > %PCSI-E-EXEPSTFAIL, product supplied EXECUTE POSTINSTALL procedure > failed+ > -SET-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as inputb$ > %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedG > Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES]oH > %PCSI-E-CANCEL_WIP, termination resulted in an incomplete modification > to the system-1 > %PCSI-E-S_OPCAN, operation cancelled by requestAE > %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable errorV > conditions? >  OPERATION TERMINATED DUE TO AN UNRECOVERABLE ERROR CONDITIONJ > B > Is this likely to be an installed image version mismatch?    TheA > version reported by the install utility is ;104 but the installl > program is failing on ;100 l > 7 > $ install list SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE/full   > 5 >   DCLTABLES;104    Open Hdr Shared            Lnkblu* >         Entry access count         = 178, >         Current / Maximum shared   = 2 / 5( >         Global section count       = 1 >  > Any ideas anyone?  > 
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