1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 15 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 209       Contents:6 Re: "Pulling" a File From OpenVMS from M$ Visual Basic6 Re: "Pulling" a File From OpenVMS from M$ Visual Basic@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers Re: Back in the saddle Re: Back in the saddle Re: Back in the saddle Re: Back in the saddle Re: Back in the saddle Re: Back in the saddle% Re: Backup command / Tape help needed G Re: Configuring TCPIP SMTP server to ignore undeliverable mail?? Patch! P Re: Configuring TCPIP SMTP server to ignore undeliverable mail?? Patch! Patch!PaP Re: Configuring TCPIP SMTP server to ignore undeliverable mail?? Patch! Patch!Pa Re: copy file to tape with vms Re: copy file to tape with vms Re: copy file to tape with vms Re: copy file to tape with vms Re: copy file to tape with vms Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards# External File access for SSLRequire  Re: Kind of farewell0 Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... Re: OT: Funny statement ...  Re: OT: Funny statement ...  Re: Question on processors SSL in AST-driven programm? A Re: Stanfords slowaris/linux servers hacked ... should be on VMS! A Re: Stanfords slowaris/linux servers hacked ... should be on VMS!  Translate SMTP Error Number ?  VMS/modem setup help? $ Re: Why VMS advertising is important$ Re: Why VMS advertising is important  Why VMS advertising is important$ Re: Why VMS advertising is important$ Re: Why VMS advertising is important$ Re: Why VMS advertising is important$ Re: Xwindows TCPIP/DECnet forwarding$ Re: Xwindows TCPIP/DECnet forwarding Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha [ot] DNS Lookup Help Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Help Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Help Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Help Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Help Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Help Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Help  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:37:38 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>? Subject: Re: "Pulling" a File From OpenVMS from M$ Visual Basic : Message-ID: <Ubhfc.43889$Lh2.12671@bignews1.bellsouth.net>   James wrote:   > Hi, all -  > H > Looking for the most robust, lowest cost way of "pulling" a small fileC > (some 30 - 40 numbers) once a minute from a OpenVMS box into a VB  > program running on WinXP.  > G > Alternately, a programmatic "push" from a Fortran or C program on the A > OpenVMS box might be acceptable, but the "pull" is seen as more  > desirable. > G > As many suggestions as possible would be nice - thanks in advance for  > your help!    H If you want to use native Windows networking, install Pathworks on your I OpenVMS system and put the file in a directory that is shared out to the   Windows network.  I Alternatively, you could use FTP in your VB program to download the file  L from the OpenVMS system.  Another possibility is to serve the file up via a J web server on OpenVMS and then download it via HTTP; IE can be controlled K via OLE on the Windows client side so that you could do this from within a   VB program.   H If you want to go "Retro", hook up a 9600 baud serial line between your H WinXP system's COM port and the OpenVMS system and use KERMIT to do the 	 transfer.      --   Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 APR 2004 20:37:34 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> ? Subject: Re: "Pulling" a File From OpenVMS from M$ Visual Basic 2 Message-ID: <14APR04.20373473@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  8 In a previous article, jhcoxx@hotmail.com (James) wrote: > Hi, all -  >   H > Looking for the most robust, lowest cost way of "pulling" a small fileC > (some 30 - 40 numbers) once a minute from a OpenVMS box into a VB  > program running on WinXP.  >   G > Alternately, a programmatic "push" from a Fortran or C program on the A > OpenVMS box might be acceptable, but the "pull" is seen as more  > desirable. >   G > As many suggestions as possible would be nice - thanks in advance for  > your help! >    > James Cox   E We use rcp to push a file from Win 95/2K/XP to a Unix box.  There's a A rhosts file on the Unix box to eliminate the need for a password. D IIRC, we use a system call to create a MS-DOS subprocess.  (I didn'tC write that part of the code so I can't be more specific.)  Most VMS = boxes come with tcp/ip (or have an add-on stack) which can be @ configured to allow rcp.  Set up your .rhosts file and, with theB appropriate protections on the "small file", you can pull the fileA from the VMS system.  It's cheap and works better for us than our ! original solution which used nfs.   B Note that if your 30-40 numbers are binary you may need to do some7 conversions once you get the file to your WinXP system.    Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:19:42 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 0 Message-ID: <c5lr4f$9oo$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c5gf8b$2s4$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>Nigel Barker wrote:  >>6 >>>On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:58:50 +0000, Andrew Harrison- >>><andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote:  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>>UltraSPARC IV+ >>>>UltraSPARC V >>>>Niagara  >>>>Rock >>>>: >>>>All currently under development, some in first silicon >>>  >>> K >>>Shock! Horror! Did Sun lie to their customers when they promised to ship J >>>UltraSPARC V etc? No, they told them what was true to the best of theirJ >>>knowledge at the time. Circumstances change, fortunes change. Just like" >>>decisions made regarding Alpha. >>>  >>8 >>Nice try but the chip that you and the market think of; >>as UltraSPARC V may have been cancelled but SPARC hasn't.  >>< >>One of the reasons why the chip you think of as UltraSPARC9 >>V was cancelled is because it had to compete internally  >>with Rock. >>; >>Trying in the well tried HP choirister way to compare and = >>contrast this with the demise of Alpha is only funny if you : >>arn't an Alpha cutomer. To everyone else its hillarious. >>	 >>Regards  >>Andrew HArrison  >  > H > You would gain some credibility if you at least sometimes say that Sun6 > has done something bad. Is everything Sun does good?  8 Of course not but judged in relation to HP and the other2 owners du jour of OpenVMS Sun doesn't have much to
 be sorry for.   2 Sun should not have persisted with OpenWindows, we4 should have persisted with News (so much better than4 X ) but that was probably a lost cause from a market standpoint.   8 We should have spent less time squabbling with the other4 major UNIX vendors over SVR4 vs OSF even though SVR4% won because the squabbling let MS in.   8 We should not have stopped developing Solaris x86 though7 rethinking that decision and restarting the program was 8 a much braver thing to do than any of the OpenVMS owners# du jour have been prepared to take.   9 We dropped the ball badly on the Java App Server and have 7 had to work hard to get back into the game with 7 and 8  which are good products.  5 We should have done general purpose x86 based servers ) a couple of years before we actually did.   : There are others but all of this pales into insignificance8 against the backdrop of the Alphacide, Tru64cide and the7 none delivery of some of the paliative measures offered $ to customers to mitigate their loss.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2004 12:51:30 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Back in the saddle 3 Message-ID: <YB1bY$YIn31E@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <407C5E6F.50F78F96@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:  > 1 > VMS was available on Alphas in 1994, I am sure.   C    1st ship fall of 92.  I was sure impressed by the little Alpha I     got early in 93.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:11:26 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Back in the saddle 0 Message-ID: <newscache$qia6wh$00z$1@news.sil.at>  \ In article <j3up705chnvq4fvpue3rsem64ju32jfq33@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:X >On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:51:19 GMT, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:" >>Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:i >>> In article <8edb64a.0404130947.425276dd@posting.google.com>, mike-spam@yelof.com (Mike Foley) writes: F >>> >It's been about 10 years since I managed VMS systems on a regular >>> >basis.  >>>   >>> Must have been a VAX then...  F Where is my smiley ? Ooops, this must have been a PEBKAC phenomenon...  1 >>VMS was available on Alphas in 1994, I am sure.   ( Of course. I had a sandpiper since 1992.  Q >VMS was available on Alpha in 1992. By 1994 we were already shipping Alphaserver  >2100s.    I got mine in 1996.    >Check out the timelines on E >http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/dechistory.htm    No problem with the timeline. J But what was the percentage of installed VAXen and installed Alphas then ?9 How many applications for Alphas were out (in use) then ? ! I still bet that he had a VAX ;-)    -Peter  5 PS: PEBKAC: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair  --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:49:48 +0100 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>  Subject: Re: Back in the saddle ) Message-ID: <4Agfc.233$74.62@newsfe1-win>    Tim Llewellyn wrote:  g >>In article <8edb64a.0404130947.425276dd@posting.google.com>, mike-spam@yelof.com (Mike Foley) writes:  >>D >>>It's been about 10 years since I managed VMS systems on a regular	 >>>basis.  >> >>Must have been a VAX then... >  > 1 > VMS was available on Alphas in 1994, I am sure.   3 I watched an DEC AXP 2000 boot OpenVMS back in June 4 of 1993 or thereabouts, in DEC, in the UK (REO). I'd8 be amazed if VMS Eng hadn't had a few kicking around :-)9 The UK ones were mostly in cages at this stage. Honestly!   3 The comment from the guy who dragged me up to watch 6 was "Look how fast this is" ... the funny part is that* I agreed with him ... how times change :-)   Antonio    --   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:45:48 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> Subject: Re: Back in the saddle 8 Message-ID: <1gbt701ubepfkndas1vtetg0j318nsdgl1@4ax.com>  N On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:49:48 +0100, Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote:  4 >I watched an DEC AXP 2000 boot OpenVMS back in June5 >of 1993 or thereabouts, in DEC, in the UK (REO). I'd 9 >be amazed if VMS Eng hadn't had a few kicking around :-) : >The UK ones were mostly in cages at this stage. Honestly! > 4 >The comment from the guy who dragged me up to watch7 >was "Look how fast this is" ... the funny part is that + >I agreed with him ... how times change :-)  >  >Antonio  O I still remember thinking how much faster a VAX 11/785 was than the 11/780's we , were running -- does that date me, or what?!I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:54:18 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>  Subject: Re: Back in the saddle B Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040415095345.021a8dd8@raptor.psccos.com>  + At 09:45 AM 4/15/2004, David M Smith wrote: O >On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:49:48 +0100, Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote:  > 6 > >I watched an DEC AXP 2000 boot OpenVMS back in June7 > >of 1993 or thereabouts, in DEC, in the UK (REO). I'd ; > >be amazed if VMS Eng hadn't had a few kicking around :-) < > >The UK ones were mostly in cages at this stage. Honestly! > > 6 > >The comment from the guy who dragged me up to watch9 > >was "Look how fast this is" ... the funny part is that - > >I agreed with him ... how times change :-)  > > 
 > >Antonio > E >I still remember thinking how much faster a VAX 11/785 was than the   >11/780's we- >were running -- does that date me, or what?!   A I still remember how much faster a PDP 11/40 was than a PDP-8I...    ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:43:29 GMT $ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com> Subject: Re: Back in the saddle 8 Message-ID: <RYyfc.1738$Wc4.6495@bcandid.telisphere.com>   David M Smith wrote:5 > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:49:48 +0100, Antonio Carlini  > <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote: > 6 >> I watched an DEC AXP 2000 boot OpenVMS back in June7 >> of 1993 or thereabouts, in DEC, in the UK (REO). I'd ; >> be amazed if VMS Eng hadn't had a few kicking around :-) < >> The UK ones were mostly in cages at this stage. Honestly! >>6 >> The comment from the guy who dragged me up to watch9 >> was "Look how fast this is" ... the funny part is that - >> I agreed with him ... how times change :-)  >>
 >> Antonio > E > I still remember thinking how much faster a VAX 11/785 was than the : > 11/780's we were running -- does that date me, or what?!  K A bit.  I had fun with old IBM fortran (a model 706 if I recall) with punch 3 cards.  Took a while to get a program compiled tho.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2004 13:49:16 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: Backup command / Tape help needed3 Message-ID: <j$z5tk4ZMWhL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <jUKLwWoEanDs@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > E > Turned out the tape had two BOT markers.  The one drive located the G > BOT marker with a forward search.  The other drive fast forwarded and I > located the marker with a reverse search.  So they each found different = > markers and started writing at different spots on the tape.   D    I've seen similar with 1600 BPI and 6250 BPI on one tape with oneD    BOT.  Seems not all drives have exactly the same distance betweenF    the BOT sensor and the read/write head.  ANSI headers on a 6250 BPI    tape are physically small!       I had to see it myself.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:05:46 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>P Subject: Re: Configuring TCPIP SMTP server to ignore undeliverable mail?? Patch!8 Message-ID: <jq2r70h3hlesf5e3qlglvrjk9pr0iq2m8c@4ax.com>  I On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:55:21 GMT, Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote:    > 
 >Solution: > D >The SMTP receiver has been changed to check to see if the recipientC >email address in the RCPT TO SMTP protocol command is deliverable. E >This solves the problem by not letting the SPAM for the unknown user " >onto the host in the first place. > B >A configuration option now exists to turn this new feature on and@ >off. The option is called Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability and is4 >entered in the SMTP.CONFIG SMTP configuration file. >	  H Now, of course, hackers can issue random RCPT TO addresses to find valid( usernames on your system to try hacking.    There's two edges to that sword.   --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:15:29 GMT & From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>Y Subject: Re: Configuring TCPIP SMTP server to ignore undeliverable mail?? Patch! Patch!Pa = Message-ID: <BZgfc.36833$NJ6.6173@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>    jlsue wrote:K > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:55:21 GMT, Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote:  >  >  >>Solution:  >>E >>The SMTP receiver has been changed to check to see if the recipient D >>email address in the RCPT TO SMTP protocol command is deliverable.F >>This solves the problem by not letting the SPAM for the unknown user# >>onto the host in the first place.  >>C >>A configuration option now exists to turn this new feature on and A >>off. The option is called Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability and is 5 >>entered in the SMTP.CONFIG SMTP configuration file.  >>	  >  > J > Now, of course, hackers can issue random RCPT TO addresses to find valid* > usernames on your system to try hacking. > " > There's two edges to that sword. > 	 > --- jls 2 > The preceding message was personal opinion only.8 > I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,   > and certainly not my employer./ > (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:24:47 GMT & From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>Y Subject: Re: Configuring TCPIP SMTP server to ignore undeliverable mail?? Patch! Patch!Pa > Message-ID: <j6hfc.36834$%Q6.12128@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>   jlsue wrote:  K > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:55:21 GMT, Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote:  >  >  >>Solution:  >>E >>The SMTP receiver has been changed to check to see if the recipient D >>email address in the RCPT TO SMTP protocol command is deliverable.F >>This solves the problem by not letting the SPAM for the unknown user# >>onto the host in the first place.  >>C >>A configuration option now exists to turn this new feature on and A >>off. The option is called Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability and is 5 >>entered in the SMTP.CONFIG SMTP configuration file.  >>	  >  > J > Now, of course, hackers can issue random RCPT TO addresses to find valid* > usernames on your system to try hacking. > " > There's two edges to that sword. > E I'll take that chance. 26 letters +10 numbers +underscore +$ in a 12  F byte userid, gives 38 rasied to the 12th. If my math is correct thats ( 9,065,737,908,494,995,456 possibilities!   --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:53:13 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>' Subject: Re: copy file to tape with vms 9 Message-ID: <c5lihq$2vctk$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: s > In article <5VZbWkd1CO8W@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > X >>In article <407CA797.1CD725E9@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >> >>>"David J. Dachtera" wrote:  >>> 4 >>>>To get that back to tape in the original format: >>>> >>>>$ INIT TAPE label - >>>>$ MOUNT TAPE label/BLOCK=32640/RECORD=320 # >>>>$ COPY filespec TAPE:[]filespec  >>>>$ DISM/NOUNLOAD TAPE >>> B >>>Shouldn't the INITIALIZE also have the /INTERCHANGE qualifier ?% >>>Also, should MOUNT have /FOREIGN ?  >>>  >>E >>   No.  Only BACKUP has an /interchange qualifier, which deals with G >>   how and what it puts into the saveset (standard error hdnaling, no  >>   ACLs).  >  > 7 > $ HELP INIT /INTERCHANGE.  Suppresses the VOL2 label.  > D > On a vanilla INIT like this, the /INTERCHANGE qualifier appears toB > be irrelevant.  You'd need to be putting some security labels on1 > the tape to need it.  And we aren't doing that.  >  > F >>   And no.  BACKUP uses the tapes foreign, but makes Files-11 (ASCIIH >>   labled) tapes, which COPY can copy if /INTERCHANGE was used to make >>   the saveset.  >  > H > But we're not using BACKUP.  We need to decide whether to use /FOREIGND > based on whether or not we need to produce an ANSI labelled volume > or an unlabelled volume. > I > In my experience, you get the best ability to exchange tapes with third = > parties if you go with unlabelled mag tape.  e.g. /FOREIGN.  >   F And with /FOREIGN you can also write your own labels, if required. We B did this all the time when creating EBCDIC tapes 20 odd years ago.  H > The the above commands will create an ANSI labelled tape.  If the fileG > on disk does not have fixed length 320 byte records, the file on tape I > will NOT be produced in the required fixed blocked format.  A file with G > variable length records is automatically copied to ANSI mag tape with C > variable length records in spite of the /RECORD and /BLOCK values  > specified at MOUNT time. >   H Depending on circumstances, it can be worth writing a couple of generic G tape programs, one to read, and one to write tapes. Mount the tapes as  1 /FOREIGN, then you have all the control you want.   L When a tape is mounted /FOREIGN, each tape block is seen as a record by RMS.  H This means that when reading/writing tapes mounted /FOREIGN you need to H do your own tape label processing and block unpacking/packing, but once F written, you can use those programs as templates for any type of tape  transfer you may come across.   D > One might decide to use $ MOUNT /NOHDR3 in order to produce a moreF > vanilla ANSI mag tape.  The HDR3 and HDR4 labels produced by default; > under VMS may not be understood by all recipient systems.  >  > 	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:49:25 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> ' Subject: Re: copy file to tape with vms 8 Message-ID: <msps70pv81klmetb1spsfk5v06s4trsgtb@4ax.com>  > On 14 Apr 2004 13:44:58 -0600, briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  G >The the above commands will create an ANSI labelled tape.  If the file F >on disk does not have fixed length 320 byte records, the file on tapeH >will NOT be produced in the required fixed blocked format.  A file withF >variable length records is automatically copied to ANSI mag tape withB >variable length records in spite of the /RECORD and /BLOCK values >specified at MOUNT time.   J Use CONVERT instead of COPY, with /PAD as appropriate.  It was a long timeK ago, but I used to have to port source code to other "superminis" (remember @ them?) and I always used MC CNV (CONVERT's predecessor) to writeL concatenated source files on tape, heavily blocked to conserve tape, no tape< labels so as not to confuse foreign o/s, with great success.  L Someone mentioned writing a couple of small utilities.  It would probably beI much simpler to find a copy of ETAPE which can do just about anything you  would ever need.   --  3 Send $50 and I'll double your IQ or no money back!     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2004 12:58:25 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: copy file to tape with vms 3 Message-ID: <5VZbWkd1CO8W@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <407CA797.1CD725E9@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:3 >> To get that back to tape in the original format:  >>   >> $ INIT TAPE label, >> $ MOUNT TAPE label/BLOCK=32640/RECORD=320" >> $ COPY filespec TAPE:[]filespec >> $ DISM/NOUNLOAD TAPE  > A > Shouldn't the INITIALIZE also have the /INTERCHANGE qualifier ? $ > Also, should MOUNT have /FOREIGN ? >   C    No.  Only BACKUP has an /interchange qualifier, which deals with E    how and what it puts into the saveset (standard error hdnaling, no 	    ACLs).   D    And no.  BACKUP uses the tapes foreign, but makes Files-11 (ASCIIF    labled) tapes, which COPY can copy if /INTERCHANGE was used to make    the saveset.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2004 13:44:58 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org' Subject: Re: copy file to tape with vms 3 Message-ID: <ZW05Pv7DIhNz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <5VZbWkd1CO8W@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: X > In article <407CA797.1CD725E9@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >> "David J. Dachtera" wrote: 4 >>> To get that back to tape in the original format: >>>  >>> $ INIT TAPE label - >>> $ MOUNT TAPE label/BLOCK=32640/RECORD=320 # >>> $ COPY filespec TAPE:[]filespec  >>> $ DISM/NOUNLOAD TAPE >>  B >> Shouldn't the INITIALIZE also have the /INTERCHANGE qualifier ?% >> Also, should MOUNT have /FOREIGN ?  >>   > E >    No.  Only BACKUP has an /interchange qualifier, which deals with G >    how and what it puts into the saveset (standard error hdnaling, no  >    ACLs).   5 $ HELP INIT /INTERCHANGE.  Suppresses the VOL2 label.   B On a vanilla INIT like this, the /INTERCHANGE qualifier appears to@ be irrelevant.  You'd need to be putting some security labels on/ the tape to need it.  And we aren't doing that.   F >    And no.  BACKUP uses the tapes foreign, but makes Files-11 (ASCIIH >    labled) tapes, which COPY can copy if /INTERCHANGE was used to make >    the saveset.   F But we're not using BACKUP.  We need to decide whether to use /FOREIGNB based on whether or not we need to produce an ANSI labelled volume or an unlabelled volume.  G In my experience, you get the best ability to exchange tapes with third ; parties if you go with unlabelled mag tape.  e.g. /FOREIGN.   F The the above commands will create an ANSI labelled tape.  If the fileE on disk does not have fixed length 320 byte records, the file on tape G will NOT be produced in the required fixed blocked format.  A file with E variable length records is automatically copied to ANSI mag tape with A variable length records in spite of the /RECORD and /BLOCK values  specified at MOUNT time.  B One might decide to use $ MOUNT /NOHDR3 in order to produce a moreD vanilla ANSI mag tape.  The HDR3 and HDR4 labels produced by default9 under VMS may not be understood by all recipient systems.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:43:54 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>' Subject: Re: copy file to tape with vms 8 Message-ID: <nbbt70hub03gi1mbml5peo2k8k6gro2s0h@4ax.com>  K On 15 Apr 2004 07:32:28 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob  Koehler) wrote:   U >In article <ZW05Pv7DIhNz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:  >>  8 >> $ HELP INIT /INTERCHANGE.  Suppresses the VOL2 label. >>   > " >   Which release note did I miss?  G Bob, good question -- I didn't know about this qualifier either! I have O immediate access to V5.5, V6.1, V6.2, V7.1, V7.3 systems and I found it on V7.1 O but not on earlier versions. I looked in the table of contents of V7.0 and V7.1 O and don't see it there, so I don't know if it came in V7.0 (which we never ran)  or V7.1.I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2004 23:34:04 -0700( From: pimpelmees@pandora.be (Pimpelmees)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <576e9651.0404142234.44ccac4b@posting.google.com>   l hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote in message news:<ahebc.2238$YB4.970@news.cpqcorp.net>...@ > In article <576e9651.0404020421.771972f2@posting.google.com>, , > pimpelmees@pandora.be (Pimpelmees) writes: >  > ..G > >6) don't use "goto depending on" (cobol guys know what I am saying).  > J > Of course, that is not valid DCL syntax.  However, it can be efficientlyG > and effectively simulated using symbol subsitution.  Given a varaibly C > such as WHICH_CODE that contains the lable or part of it you can:  >  >     $ goto 'which_code'  > or! >     $ goto routine_'which_code'  > . > Do you find this objectionable?  If so, why?  B I have seen some horrible programs written in cobol that used goto
 depending on.  So I avoid it where possible. < A second reason is that dcl_check can not verify if the goto destination exists. 8 And I want to keep my procedures dcl_check message free. >  > H > >7) keep your procedures dcl_check conform (freeware cd). It will saveD > >you a lot of debugging work. I modified dcl_check to make it less1 > >noissy (only potential problems are reported).  > . > As the author of DCL_CHECK, I woudl like to: > 0 > (a) Thank you for the unsolicited endorsement.  Thank you for writing dcl_check. > ) > (b) Ask you what output you suppressed.  > E >     Individual diagnostice message can be selectively suppressed -- 4 >      see @DCL_CHECK HELP DIAGNOSTICS SUPPRESS_DIAG< >     Would you like features to suppress progress messages  >      and/or statistics.  >     Or...???D Didn't keep a log of it. Just some warnings. I will keep your tip in mind when upgrading.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2004 23:46:09 -0700( From: pimpelmees@pandora.be (Pimpelmees)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <576e9651.0404142246.1eac2d0a@posting.google.com>   ? >  I keep everything short because direltoly is accepted as dir  > > but is not correct.  >  > Huh? Please clarify.D Just type a command longer than 4 letters. Whatever comes after direA is not validated. So the command direltoly is accepted and dir is 	 executed.    .  > C > > 2) put the procedure referenced in "on" in the beginning of the C > > procedure (otherwise a quoting problem can make it unfindable).  > @ > Please clarify. I have no idea what you're trying to say here.B In the beginning of the procedure you do "on error then goto xxx".C If the condition is met, a search for xxx will be done. If it is in D the beginning of the command procedure, it will directly have it. IfE not, it will scan the procedure until it finds the label. If for some F reason, an end quote is missing somewhere in the procedure, everythingD behind this line will be ignored. I don't remember the details but IF had the problem a few years ago. DCL_CHECK saved me again. Thx Charlie > G > > 3) use on warning instead of on error where possible. DCL sometimes I > > gives warnings when there are severe problems. Wors is that sometimes 0 > > a warning is given without executing the on. > G > True. But I noticed that the S,I,W,E,F are well-assigned for BACKUP.     Try dir a.b.c (no files found) Try dir a.b.c.d (warning) C Try different commands that need an input file. If the file doesn't F exists it depends on who wrote it if it is considered an error or not.  B That is why I test everything where possible and use noon when too
 difficult.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 06:20:59 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404150520.4bded4ea@posting.google.com>   m pimpelmees@pandora.be (Pimpelmees) wrote in message news:<576e9651.0404142246.1eac2d0a@posting.google.com>... A > >  I keep everything short because direltoly is accepted as dir  > > > but is not correct.  > >  > > Huh? Please clarify.F > Just type a command longer than 4 letters. Whatever comes after direC > is not validated. So the command direltoly is accepted and dir is  > executed.   E Why is this a problem? Oh, if you misspell a command symbol after the E fourth letter you will get DIRE instead of your symbol. But using the * full word makes the routine more readable.  E > > > 2) put the procedure referenced in "on" in the beginning of the E > > > procedure (otherwise a quoting problem can make it unfindable).  > > B > > Please clarify. I have no idea what you're trying to say here.  D > In the beginning of the procedure you do "on error then goto xxx".E > If the condition is met, a search for xxx will be done. If it is in F > the beginning of the command procedure, it will directly have it. IfG > not, it will scan the procedure until it finds the label. If for somerH > reason, an end quote is missing somewhere in the procedure, everythingF > behind this line will be ignored. I don't remember the details but IH > had the problem a few years ago. DCL_CHECK saved me again. Thx Charlie  A You mean everything after the missing quote is ignored. OK, but Im never ran into this problem.  I > > > 3) use on warning instead of on error where possible. DCL sometimesnK > > > gives warnings when there are severe problems. Wors is that sometimes 2 > > > a warning is given without executing the on. > > I > > True. But I noticed that the S,I,W,E,F are well-assigned for BACKUP. t >   > Try dir a.b.c (no files found) > Try dir a.b.c.d (warning)iE > Try different commands that need an input file. If the file doesn't H > exists it depends on who wrote it if it is considered an error or not. > D > That is why I test everything where possible and use noon when too > difficult.  E I believe I agreed with you on this one. And I often had this problemrF in my early days with DCL in which the procedure would plough on ahead> depsite numerous warnings which were serious enough to warrant@ exiting. I mentioned BACKUP merely to comment that I thought itsC assignment of error levels to various errors was right on the mark.t   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 07:26:34 -0700 From: rzavitz@caci.com (Z-Man), Subject: External File access for SSLRequire= Message-ID: <ccabf345.0404150626.41a9982b@posting.google.com>,  C According to the documentation on openssl.org, the following syntaxj? should source in an external file (in this case a list of validi: users), and allow access to all users listed in that file:  6 SSLRequire %{SSL_CLIENT_S_DN_CN} in {file("SSLUsers")}  B However, my co-workers and I have not yet been able to get this toC work.  Has anyone else used anything similar to this.  If you have,sC please also include the syntax/format of the external file that youm used.  Thanks in advance.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:21:15 -0400e* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Kind of farewell 4 Message-ID: <gnefc.2761$Xy3.10389@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  ' Good luck to you in your new endeavoursn  J You will certainly keep VMS in your heart, and working with lots of peopleE who may not know much about it, spread the word that it's a great OS.a   We will miss you here!* And how about VAXUS ? Is it a busy place ?   Regards,   --   Syltremc   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---59 "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> a crit dans le message del( news:c54c8i$2lq2$1@biggoron.nerim.net...K > Well, after 22 years of VMS, I merged today my "company" with the Nr 1 IT0G > provider here in Toulouse, where I accepted the position of Technicalt
 Department > mgr. >gI > The company is in Apple business since the 80's and went to LostDows 15e yearsoE > later, when the margin on Macintosh products schrinked to 3 points.n >nJ > Today, they^H^H^H^H we sell Apple, Fujitsu, Sage Accounting software andI > networking. The "merge" will bring to the new DTL the HP reseller card,a VMS.E > consulting (if any) and the FutureVAX/CHARON-VAX serie of products.f >aF > As I move from technique to management, I will probably stop reading newsgroups,>I > so do not worry about missing posts, this will mean that I will be busyn dealingIJ > with costs control, budget, quality control, procedures, human resources andG$ > other strategical accounts rescue. >  > Good luck to VMS.f? > If HP France wants to sell VMS to Airbus, please let me know.t >t0 > Best regards to all of you and a HAPPY EASTER. >  > D. >    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 05:51:18 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)9 Subject: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...i< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404150451.a23354c@posting.google.com>  4 it's too bad HP can't seem to help it on its way out2 using OpenVMS as the doorman ... and if users want3 help, VMS has plenty of that and is ready to go out ! of the box as far as security ...     ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15343    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:22:35 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 9 Message-ID: <0Wvfc.47987$Lh2.3084@bignews1.bellsouth.net>    Bob Ceculski wrote:i  6 > it's too bad HP can't seem to help it on its way out4 > using OpenVMS as the doorman ... and if users want5 > help, VMS has plenty of that and is ready to go outr# > of the box as far as security ...i >  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15343o    M LOL.  I wonder if Ms. Levesque is a dirty sock puppet belonging to Micro$oft .J or $un.  It certainly seems like she's pushing an agenda of some sort, as M her comments used in that article seem to be badly off the mark.  If she was eF examining Linux systems from 5 or 6 years ago, yes, I can see how the L desktop shell, system administration & O.S. installation procedures & tools K would have been unfriendly to non-technical users.  I have never been what oL you'd call a sophisticated Unix/Linux user/admin type of person, but recent J experiences installing SuSE Linux v9 Pro were so positive for me that I'm H just overjoyed to be working with it hands-on.  The system installation I tool, YaST, is the best of its type that I've ever dealt with.  Overall, f> SuSE 9 has been easier to install, configure & use than WinXP.  G As for her statements about the Open Source development process, she's hM completely off the mark there, too.  Again, she's spouting off nonsense in a yK way that seems [alarmingly] plausible to people who are otherwise ignorant -+ of the topic of which she's speaking about.r  K I vote for putting a muzzle on her, along with that other writer [from the tM Gartner Group?] who was commented about on here not long ago for having made 0J such blatanly inaccurate remarks about OpenVMS.  Either a muzzle, or else I stand up and give full disclosure by citing the sources of her research. fJ For a researcher, she seems to speak a lot of rhetoric and very little in  the way of facts.c     -- t Chuck Chopph  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2004 12:54:11 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s$ Subject: Re: OT: Funny statement ...3 Message-ID: <g0W8TrKKzh0F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <c5hou7$bjt$1@ousrvr3.oulu.fi>, Mikko Putkonen <miputkon@paju.oulu.fi> writes:o > Hello, everyonet > J > This is somewhat off-topic and could fuel some of these SUN/Solaris vs. F > this'n' that discussions over here, but I still think the local VMS 4 > "bigots" =) might find the following statement in G > http://www.electricnews.net/ffocus.html?code=9407565 (a Linux-related:' > article) at least a little bit funny:o > & >     ... Unix, an ultra-sturdy OS ...  6    The cowards seem to have no comments/replies field.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 10:22:02 -0700 From: ohm62@hotmail.com (OHM)o$ Subject: Re: OT: Funny statement ...= Message-ID: <9d337b47.0404150922.196b1028@posting.google.com>   8 >    The cowards seem to have no comments/replies field.  D The author's name (Matthew Clarke) is a link.  Click on it ;-) Leads; to a page at the bottom of which the guy's email address...f   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 06:07:36 -0700- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)t# Subject: Re: Question on processorss= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0404150507.1eefd22a@posting.google.com>    All: > ...   < AFAIK, the Opteron is an x86 architecture with 64 bit memory@ extensions, with maybe some other additions.  For OpenVMS to runE natively, I would think that some intermediary microcode architecture E would have to be built around the Opteron to support things like four D processing modes versus two.  Is this a requirement, and if so, doesF it add an engineering cost that makes porting OpenVMS to x86-64 a less feasible possibility?r  B As long as a reasonable alternative is available to OpenVMS with a: lower hardware price per performance and a better suite of4 applications, OpenVMS will remain in a niche market.  @ The UNIX portability effort by the OpenVMS engineering team willF enable the growing Open Source community to easily support OpenVMS andF encourage the companies with proprietary applications (maybe with someD HP money for the additional testing) to support OpenVMS.  This helps to mitigate the one issue.  C Hardware is a tougher nut.  With the Alpha chip, one could point to(C better overall performance and near linear scaling.  Maybe adding aEE microcode layer will not be that expensive and enable OpenVMS to moveE" into the commodity hardware realm.  D OpenVMS has some significant advantages over other operating systemsD with high-availability and security, among other features.  However,B this edge will not remain forever.  OpenVMS, and other proprietaryE server level operating systems, will need to add new features to stayu ahead of systems like Linux.   JMOD   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:06:04 +0500a& From: Valentin Likoum <me@privacy.net>$ Subject: SSL in AST-driven programm?9 Message-ID: <c5ltrk$3157t$1@ID-184585.news.uni-berlin.de>y  
 Hello all,  ;    We have a TCPIP server AST-driven programm. Now we need l7 to  fasten SSL to it. After reading OpenSSL API docs I s' realized that it's not a straight task.t<    HP OpenSSL for OpenVMS manual says that it's possible to ; use qio[w] calls with SSL API (via BIO calls) but it's not m$ clear how and no examples are given.8    And the most important: SSL_read and SSL_write calls < don't have and AST routine parameter and no such a beast as  ssl$qio[w] exist :)o3    Have anybody implemented something like it? Any D expirience to share?  
    Thank you.  --  
 Best regards,u
   Valentin)   valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:15:14 GMT $ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>J Subject: Re: Stanfords slowaris/linux servers hacked ... should be on VMS!8 Message-ID: <msdfc.1733$Wc4.6332@bcandid.telisphere.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:e< > the security slip is showing for unix/linux once again ... >I+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15316s  G The foremost security step on any system was ignored... good passwords. K Most likely, which the report fails to say, are passwords like Jane or toto K were used.  If those passwords were properly enforced, like using xb9704ewq 9 for example, I see that they would not have gained entry. F Of course after gaining entry the system sill needs to protect the o/s itself from nutty people.e   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:36:59 +0000 (UTC)- From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukJ Subject: Re: Stanfords slowaris/linux servers hacked ... should be on VMS!) Message-ID: <c5jsrr$6cr$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>i  _ In article <msdfc.1733$Wc4.6332@bcandid.telisphere.com>, "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com> writes:- >Bob Ceculski wrote:= >> the security slip is showing for unix/linux once again ...A >>, >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15316 >PH >The foremost security step on any system was ignored... good passwords.L >Most likely, which the report fails to say, are passwords like Jane or totoL >were used.  If those passwords were properly enforced, like using xb9704ewq: >for example, I see that they would not have gained entry.G >Of course after gaining entry the system sill needs to protect the o/sg >itself from nutty people. >nF From the article it looks like they might have sniffed the passwords -  clear text FTP or Telnet maybe ?5 Then used various local exploits to gain root access.v  @ In particular for Solaris it mentions the sadmind vulnerability.  3 Which is a little bit embarrassing for Stanford see      B http://securecomputing.stanford.edu/alerts/sadmind-16sept2003.html      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:57:18 -0400a" From: "BillC" <bclark_at_lrgh.org>& Subject: Translate SMTP Error Number ?2 Message-ID: <KZOdnT8DipRzLePdRVn-hw@metrocast.net>  	 greetingsu  D     i have an ES-45 (VMS 7.3) and an AS-4100 (VMS 7.2). TCPIP / SMTP Configurations!     are the same on both systems.   H     Outbound E-Mail traffic from one system (ES-45) is ok, Inbound fails with 'Unresolvable     domain' complaint.  K     Outbound E-Mail traffic from other (AS4100) fails, error message in the 
 log file is :   L     %TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_LAKES_01>     553  %TCPIP-E-SMTP_COMMANDERR, SMTP command error xxxx.org  I     Outbound capability is primary goal, Inbound is not really necessary. L     Anyone able to translate the TCPIP-E- Error number more clearly? thanks.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2004 21:33:00 GMT  From: John <1312313@312.321.312> Subject: VMS/modem setup help?= Message-ID: <Xns94CB9411B707D1312313312321312@129.250.170.88>n  J Hi. I purchased a CDS-902X cellular modem and would like to connect it to H our Alpha to allow people to login and use the Alpha. The modem will be L connected to the Alpha externally using the serial port. Is there a program L that will let the Alpha communicate with the modem? I tested the modem on a A PC using Hyperterminal, and it works fine. But I hear setting up uL communication between a modem and an Alpha is much more complex. I'm not an  expert of Alphas. Thanks.f   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Apr 2004 12:01:30 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) - Subject: Re: Why VMS advertising is importanti: Message-ID: <c5ltiq$639$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  O I've used the Msxml2.XMLHTTP object in Visual Basic Script to pull files from a O web server on VMS.  It was low cost because I was already running a web server.   B I've also used the Samba client to push files to windows machines.   >>Dave  < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:)L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long..   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 05:54:54 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)- Subject: Re: Why VMS advertising is importantm= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404150454.36e6e828@posting.google.com>e  W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<N_qdnXoXAdNR5-DdRVn-gw@igs.net>...  > H > "....So now, CEOs have "woken up to the fact that they have to be moreG > involved and more comfortable asking the hard questions," says DermotlN > Shorten, a vice-president at Booz Allen. Consequently, computer trainers forJ > CEOs have become hot commodities. Technology-related executive-educationG > courses have thrived. And today, CEOs are more tech-savvy -- and more  > careful about IT spending. > L > Allen Salikof, CEO of Management Recruiters International Worldwide (MRI),H > says in the mid-1990s, chief execs -- himself included -- made few keyH > technology decisions. Today, many approve nearly all of them. "They'veN > become less likely to give chief information officers a free hand," says theN > head of the world's largest managerial, technical, and executive recruitment > firm.   B this is why all these companies are screwed up in the first place!A CEOs that think they are CIOs ... they are trying to be somethinghB they are not, which is a computer expert ... they should leave theA technology decisions as far as computer platforms to the experts!e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:54:19 -0400i# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ) Subject: Why VMS advertising is importantV, Message-ID: <N_qdnXoXAdNR5-DdRVn-gw@igs.net>  I Yet another example of why raising the profile of VMS is critical -- whenP> all executives hear about is Windows, Linux, and Solaris......  A If they don't know about it, ask about it, and they won't buy it.a  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=66&ncid=1208&e=10&u=/bw/2004 0413/bs_bw/tc200404139334tc146    F "....So now, CEOs have "woken up to the fact that they have to be moreE involved and more comfortable asking the hard questions," says DermotIL Shorten, a vice-president at Booz Allen. Consequently, computer trainers forH CEOs have become hot commodities. Technology-related executive-educationE courses have thrived. And today, CEOs are more tech-savvy -- and moreo careful about IT spending.  J Allen Salikof, CEO of Management Recruiters International Worldwide (MRI),F says in the mid-1990s, chief execs -- himself included -- made few keyF technology decisions. Today, many approve nearly all of them. "They'veL become less likely to give chief information officers a free hand," says theL head of the world's largest managerial, technical, and executive recruitment firm.    ....."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:22:36 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>s- Subject: Re: Why VMS advertising is important : Message-ID: <MQifc.309$KW4.162@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:N_qdnXoXAdNR5-DdRVn-gw@igs.net...K > Yet another example of why raising the profile of VMS is critical -- whena@ > all executives hear about is Windows, Linux, and Solaris...... >oC > If they don't know about it, ask about it, and they won't buy it.p >  >]L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=66&ncid=1208&e=10&u=/bw/2004  > 0413/bs_bw/tc200404139334tc146 >  >pH > "....So now, CEOs have "woken up to the fact that they have to be moreG > involved and more comfortable asking the hard questions," says Dermot J > Shorten, a vice-president at Booz Allen. Consequently, computer trainers foruJ > CEOs have become hot commodities. Technology-related executive-educationG > courses have thrived. And today, CEOs are more tech-savvy -- and moreo > careful about IT spending. > L > Allen Salikof, CEO of Management Recruiters International Worldwide (MRI),H > says in the mid-1990s, chief execs -- himself included -- made few keyH > technology decisions. Today, many approve nearly all of them. "They'veJ > become less likely to give chief information officers a free hand," says thenB > head of the world's largest managerial, technical, and executive recruitment  > firm.w >   B I'm not against advertising VMS but, this seems to argue *against*L advertising VMS.  If CEOs are actually being trained,  then HP has to either- advertise to the trainers or do the training.o  L It's the CEOs that don't get training that only know what they read in trade rags.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:30:21 -0400H# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n- Subject: Re: Why VMS advertising is importanth, Message-ID: <_eCdna4y4u_zE-PdRVn-uw@igs.net>  0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message4 news:MQifc.309$KW4.162@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:N_qdnXoXAdNR5-DdRVn-gw@igs.net...H > > Yet another example of why raising the profile of VMS is critical -- whenB > > all executives hear about is Windows, Linux, and Solaris...... > >xE > > If they don't know about it, ask about it, and they won't buy it.- > >- > >- >-L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=66&ncid=1208&e=10&u=/bw/2004" > > 0413/bs_bw/tc200404139334tc146 > >F > >rJ > > "....So now, CEOs have "woken up to the fact that they have to be moreI > > involved and more comfortable asking the hard questions," says Dermot L > > Shorten, a vice-president at Booz Allen. Consequently, computer trainers > foreL > > CEOs have become hot commodities. Technology-related executive-educationI > > courses have thrived. And today, CEOs are more tech-savvy -- and moreo > > careful about IT spending. > > G > > Allen Salikof, CEO of Management Recruiters International Worldwide  (MRI),J > > says in the mid-1990s, chief execs -- himself included -- made few keyJ > > technology decisions. Today, many approve nearly all of them. "They'veL > > become less likely to give chief information officers a free hand," says > thesD > > head of the world's largest managerial, technical, and executive
 > recruitmenth	 > > firm.t > >d >oD > I'm not against advertising VMS but, this seems to argue *against*G > advertising VMS.  If CEOs are actually being trained,  then HP has tor either/ > advertise to the trainers or do the training." >lH > It's the CEOs that don't get training that only know what they read in trade  > rags.a     See alsoL http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=74&ncid=1212&e=10&u=/cmp/200 40415/tc_cmp/18901494o  K If it is possible, using humor, to get a million hits per day on something, G then for sure some kids are going to look at it, some CEO's or CIO's oriJ CTO's or IT manager's kid is going to look at it, and that night when theyK are doing the parent/kid bonding thing, a few of those kids with show theiri dad/mom.  J Now let your thoughts run to OpenVMS and imagine (sorry HP, I seem to haveI used a trademarked word in a way you hadn't intended - practically rather$H than hypothetically) a campaign that could DRIVE attention to VMS. These' chicken clowns did it in under a month.a  K HP doesn't know how to make 'buzz' about ANY of its products much less VMS. H HP's advertising & marketing efforts, as evidenced by all their print/tvG campaigns, are about as informative and exciting as watching paint dry.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 07:41:35 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)- Subject: Re: Why VMS advertising is importanti= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0404150641.2b50fe73@posting.google.com>   W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<N_qdnXoXAdNR5-DdRVn-gw@igs.net>...cK > Yet another example of why raising the profile of VMS is critical -- whenh@ > all executives hear about is Windows, Linux, and Solaris...... > C > If they don't know about it, ask about it, and they won't buy it.> > N > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=66&ncid=1208&e=10&u=/bw/2004  > 0413/bs_bw/tc200404139334tc146 >  > H > "....So now, CEOs have "woken up to the fact that they have to be moreG > involved and more comfortable asking the hard questions," says DermotnN > Shorten, a vice-president at Booz Allen. Consequently, computer trainers forJ > CEOs have become hot commodities. Technology-related executive-educationG > courses have thrived. And today, CEOs are more tech-savvy -- and morec > careful about IT spending. > L > Allen Salikof, CEO of Management Recruiters International Worldwide (MRI),H > says in the mid-1990s, chief execs -- himself included -- made few keyH > technology decisions. Today, many approve nearly all of them. "They'veN > become less likely to give chief information officers a free hand," says theN > head of the world's largest managerial, technical, and executive recruitment > firm.q >  > ....."  B The idea of offering a $1 million (USD) prize for anyone who couldF successfully penetrate an OpenVMS system connected to the Internet hasB been mentioned in this newsgroup previously as a way that HP could? generate huge amounts of free publicity in venues that would bed visible to the nontechnical.  A If they're not willing to put that much at risk, offering an iPodo@ (with the matching Volkswagen accessory) to the first successfulC intruder would gather just as much publicity and display a sense ofi humor at the same time.s  E It would also greatly enhance HP's "coolness quotient" which seems to 3 have become a matter of extreme importance of late.i   WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 01:30:15 -0700. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)- Subject: Re: Xwindows TCPIP/DECnet forwardingl< Message-ID: <224291b.0404150030.3063703b@posting.google.com>  M > What I'm trying to do is get an X-windows client running on a Scyld Beowulf,L > cluster to display on a PC running Excursion.  The Beowulf cluster and theF > PC are on separate private networks, with two ES40s (OpenVMS V7.3-2) > bridging the two.t  E It is not clear to me what you are trying to achieve. Possibly of useaD to you is the DECW$DWT_DECNET image shipped as part of OpenVMS. ThisC acts as a DECnet display server relaying to a real server using thegB protocol of choice - although it was originally intended for LAT I. can't see any reason it won't work with TCPIP.  % So you should be able to use that as:0  F Remote Client -- DECNET -- OpenVMS Relay -- TCPIP -- PC Display Screen   Is that what you were after?   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:31:40 -0400e2 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov>- Subject: Re: Xwindows TCPIP/DECnet forwardings3 Message-ID: <SNyfc.147$Ny6.276@mencken.net.nih.gov>s  ; "Martin Kirby" <martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 6 news:224291b.0404150030.3063703b@posting.google.com...G > > What I'm trying to do is get an X-windows client running on a Scyldn Beowulf J > > cluster to display on a PC running Excursion.  The Beowulf cluster and theCH > > PC are on separate private networks, with two ES40s (OpenVMS V7.3-2) > > bridging the two.  > 7 > It is not clear to me what you are trying to achieve.g  K I thought my statement above was pretty clear, but I'll rewrite what I wanthF as you did in your reply.  I want all Beowulf cluster X-Windows client( applications to display on a PC like so:  C Beowulf cluster X-windows client ---> TCPIP ---> OpenVMS relay --->M4 DECnet or TCPIP ---> PC X-windows server (Excursion)  L Actually late last night we got this working to a different PC running LinuxH by patching TCPIP Services for OpenVMS V5.4 (including the new anti-spamK feature mentioned in another thread...  Way to go HP!)  The patch fixes SSH- X114G port forwarding to work in the standard fashion.  My Unix guru used hisb familiarJ commands to set up the relay.  First he issued an SSH command on his LinuxI PC to get to our ES40, and then another SSH command on the ES40 to get to  oursF Beowulf cluster, and voila!  X11 makes it all the way from the Beowulf clusternI through OpenVMS to his Linux PC display, at the expense of encryption.  I  would H still like to get this going via DECnet to avoid needless encryption and make it K work for all workstations that have DECnet (such as my VAXstation 4000/VLC)  but which might not have SSH.o   > Possibly of usecA > to you is the DECW$DWT_DECNET image shipped as part of OpenVMS.dJ > This acts as a DECnet display server relaying to a real server using theD > protocol of choice - although it was originally intended for LAT I0 > can't see any reason it won't work with TCPIP.  C Excellent!  That's exactly what I was looking for.  But where's thel
 documentation I for running it?  I last saw this c. 1992 in some DECwindows manuals which8 have long since been discarded.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:28:10 -0400o# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alphan, Message-ID: <2M2dnQUTi7VXDeDdRVn-sw@igs.net>  3 "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message 8 news:BL5ac.44144$dD1.13226@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com... >"H > This is a sad tale that may lead me to a bright, new career in the dog > walking industry.   
 <..snip..>   But wait...there's more...G ** AlphaXP:  Advanced Transparency Effects for Windows 2000/XP (Windowso
 Enhancement!),H AlphaXP is a powerful system enhancement that adds advanced transparencyI effects to any Windows XP/2000 computer. It has won many five-star awards L for excellence and is regarded by thousands of users worldwide as the systemI enhancement of choice. It is a unique and powerful piece of software that-C will change the way you use Windows. AlphaXP harnesses the power of4F transparency already built into Windows XP/2000 and gives that controlG directly to you in powerful and practical ways. It is the most advancedrI Windows transparency system enhancement available today, sporting tons ofpL powerful features, excellent customizability, user-friendly interface, great help and much more!0  % http://microurl.com/wugnet/AlphaXP_CI     J Sounds suspiciously like Alpha AXP (tm), which created great confusion andG consternation in my mind when I saw this in my e-mail today.  But sincegI Alpha AXP is DEAD, courtesy curly & carly(tm),  I guess I shouldn't be so 	 confused.k   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:25:05 GMTh& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> Subject: [ot] DNS Lookup Helph= Message-ID: <Rtefc.36797$QP5.8720@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>   C Could someone please do a DNS lookup of my site alphase.com ($ mcr a* SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP.EXE ALPHASE.COM)I When I do one it gets translated at my ISP's DNS server and it's ok, BUT -) it says it's a "Non-authoritative answer"h4 A customer says it doesn't translate at all for her.   TIA  --     Have VMS, Will Traveld Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:50:06 GMT & From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>! Subject: Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Help-> Message-ID: <yJffc.36817$Aj6.14011@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>   Hans Vlems wrote:,  7 > "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> schreef in bericht.9 > news:Rtefc.36797$QP5.8720@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...1 > D >>Could someone please do a DNS lookup of my site alphase.com ($ mcr, >>SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP.EXE ALPHASE.COM)J >>When I do one it gets translated at my ISP's DNS server and it's ok, BUT+ >>it says it's a "Non-authoritative answer",6 >>A customer says it doesn't translate at all for her. >> >>TIAc >>-- o >> >>Have VMS, Will Travel  >>Wire paladin, San FranciscoH >> >>(paladinATalphaseDOTcom) >> >  > / > nslookup on my DS5305, VMS V7.3 system gives:h > $ nslookup% > Default Server:  osmium.vlems.thuish > Address:  10.0.0.19  >  >  >>set q=soa  >>alphase.com. >  > Server:  osmium.vlems.thuisA > Address:  10.0.0.19  > 
 > alphase.comr >         origin = ns1.pbi.net( >         mail addr = postmaster.pbi.net >         serial = 200303030 >         refresh = 3600 (1H)w >         retry   = 900 (15M)t >         expire  = 604800 (1W)-! >         minimum ttl = 7200 (2H)-* > alphase.com     nameserver = ns1.pbi.net* > alphase.com     nameserver = ns2.pbi.net1 > ns1.pbi.net     internet address = 206.13.28.11h1 > ns2.pbi.net     internet address = 206.13.29.11E >  > Hans   Thanks Hans,E It's interesting, that my ISP (ns1.pbi.net) is correct, but no where  L does MY IP address (67.125.72.73) show up. I guess I need to talk to my ISP?   -- h   Have VMS, Will Traveln Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2004 13:58:07 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org! Subject: Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Helpn3 Message-ID: <Da6CeCZ4Gr6s@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  f In article <Rtefc.36797$QP5.8720@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>, Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> writes:E > Could someone please do a DNS lookup of my site alphase.com ($ mcr -, > SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP.EXE ALPHASE.COM)K > When I do one it gets translated at my ISP's DNS server and it's ok, BUT i+ > it says it's a "Non-authoritative answer"b6 > A customer says it doesn't translate at all for her.  C Non-authoritative answer means that the answer is coming from cachedC rather than directly (or recursively) from an authoritative source.s Normally that's not an issue.f   I get:   Non-authoritative answer:C Name:    alphase.com Address:  67.125.72.73  > If I turn off recursion and turn on debugging, I find that theA root name servers (e.g. B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET) claim that the domaino is served by    ns1.pbi.net at 206.13.28.11  and ns2.pbi.net at 206.13.29.11n  = If I go to ns1.pbi.net to ask, I get an authoritative answer:c  -         header flags:  response, auth. answer   - And the answer matches what I got from cache:        ANSWERS:     ->  alphase.comn&         type = A, class = IN, dlen = 4'         internet address = 67.125.72.73          ttl = 7200 (2H)t  B And the authority records are consistent with the root delegation:      AUTHORITY RECORDS:g     ->  alphase.comw(         type = NS, class = IN, dlen = 13          nameserver = ns1.pbi.net         ttl = 172800 (2D)m     ->  alphase.com '         type = NS, class = IN, dlen = 6u          nameserver = ns2.pbi.net         ttl = 172800 (2D)   8 The response from ns2.pbi.net is similar in all regards.  ' The DNS appears solid from where I sit.r   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:03:49 +0200t From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Helps2 Message-ID: <c5k1ul$l8q$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Congratulations: :-)     $ nslookup alphase.com# Server:  cc8554-e.groni1.gr.home.nlf Address:  217.120.130.148s   Non-authoritative answer:f Name:    alphase.com Address:  67.125.72.73           Don Sykes wrote: >  >  > Hans Vlems wrote:n > 8 >> "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> schreef in bericht: >> news:Rtefc.36797$QP5.8720@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com... >>F >>> Could someone please do a DNS lookup of my site alphase.com ($ mcr. >>> SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP.EXE ALPHASE.COM)L >>> When I do one it gets translated at my ISP's DNS server and it's ok, BUT- >>> it says it's a "Non-authoritative answer"-8 >>> A customer says it doesn't translate at all for her. >>>  >>> TIAv >>> -- c >>>- >>> Have VMS, Will Travele >>> Wire paladin, San FranciscoD >>>a >>> (paladinATalphaseDOTcom) >>>o >> >>0 >> nslookup on my DS5305, VMS V7.3 system gives:
 >> $ nslookupg& >> Default Server:  osmium.vlems.thuis >> Address:  10.0.0.19 >> >>
 >>> set q=soa  >>> alphase.com. >> >> >> Server:  osmium.vlems.thuis >> Address:  10.0.0.19 >> >> alphase.com >>         origin = ns1.pbi.netI) >>         mail addr = postmaster.pbi.netk >>         serial = 200303030g >>         refresh = 3600 (1H) >>         retry   = 900 (15M)  >>         expire  = 604800 (1W)" >>         minimum ttl = 7200 (2H)+ >> alphase.com     nameserver = ns1.pbi.net1+ >> alphase.com     nameserver = ns2.pbi.nets2 >> ns1.pbi.net     internet address = 206.13.28.112 >> ns2.pbi.net     internet address = 206.13.29.11 >> >> Hansd >  >  > Thanks Hans,G > It's interesting, that my ISP (ns1.pbi.net) is correct, but no where tJ > does MY IP address (67.125.72.73) show up. I guess I need to talk to my  > ISP? >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:33:49 GMT & From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>! Subject: Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Helpi> Message-ID: <xmgfc.36827$yw6.15176@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:   h > In article <Rtefc.36797$QP5.8720@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>, Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> writes: > E >>Could someone please do a DNS lookup of my site alphase.com ($ mcr r, >>SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP.EXE ALPHASE.COM)K >>When I do one it gets translated at my ISP's DNS server and it's ok, BUT i+ >>it says it's a "Non-authoritative answer" 6 >>A customer says it doesn't translate at all for her. >  > E > Non-authoritative answer means that the answer is coming from cacheAE > rather than directly (or recursively) from an authoritative source.  > Normally that's not an issue.  >  > I get: >  > Non-authoritative answer:V > Name:    alphase.com > Address:  67.125.72.73 > @ > If I turn off recursion and turn on debugging, I find that theC > root name servers (e.g. B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET) claim that the domain  > is served by > " > ns1.pbi.net at 206.13.28.11  and > ns2.pbi.net at 206.13.29.11n > ? > If I go to ns1.pbi.net to ask, I get an authoritative answer:  > / >         header flags:  response, auth. answerm > / > And the answer matches what I got from cache:Y >  >     ANSWERS: >     ->  alphase.com-( >         type = A, class = IN, dlen = 4) >         internet address = 67.125.72.73l >         ttl = 7200 (2H)  > D > And the authority records are consistent with the root delegation: >  >    AUTHORITY RECORDS:t >     ->  alphase.comm* >         type = NS, class = IN, dlen = 13" >         nameserver = ns1.pbi.net >         ttl = 172800 (2D)a >     ->  alphase.com ) >         type = NS, class = IN, dlen = 6p" >         nameserver = ns2.pbi.net >         ttl = 172800 (2D)- > : > The response from ns2.pbi.net is similar in all regards. > ) > The DNS appears solid from where I sit.x >  > 	John Briggs   Thanks a bunch.    -- e   Have VMS, Will Travel2 Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:36:16 GMTs& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>! Subject: Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Helpe= Message-ID: <Qogfc.36829$yw6.9765@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>    Dirk Munk wrote:   > Another one: >  > $ nslookup- > Default Server:  cc8554-e.groni1.gr.home.nle > Address:  217.120.130.148n >  >  > server ns1.pbi.nete > Default Server:  ns1.pbi.net > Address:  206.13.28.11 >  >  > alphase.com > Server:  ns1.pbi.net > Address:  206.13.28.11 > 7 > *** ns1.pbi.net can't find alphase.com: Server failed  >  > server 206.13.28.11 > Default Server:  ns1.pbi.net > Address:  206.13.28.11 >     F Ah ha. That may be what some others have seen. I will contact pbi.net. Thanks,i Dont -- i   Have VMS, Will Travelf Wire paladin, San Franciscon   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:46:14 +0100t) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> ! Subject: Re: [ot] DNS Lookup HelpI* Message-ID: <Kwgfc.223$74.208@newsfe1-win>  G >>>> Could someone please do a DNS lookup of my site alphase.com ($ mcrt/ >>>> SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP.EXE ALPHASE.COM)sJ >>>> When I do one it gets translated at my ISP's DNS server and it's ok,  >>>> BUT. >>>> it says it's a "Non-authoritative answer"9 >>>> A customer says it doesn't translate at all for her.a  " I'm still using UCX, so sue me :-)  ; You can ask nslookup to ask a server other than your host's 6 configured server to do the lookup. So I can ask NTL's( DNS server to perform the lookup thusly:  + $ mc ucx$nslookup alphase.com 194.168.4.100  Server:  cache1.ntli.net Address:  194.168.4.100o   Non-authoritative answer:  Name:    alphase.com Address:  67.125.72.73  < AFAIK, the non-authoritative bit just means "I think this is: the right answer, but the guy who really knows is way over; somewhere else so if you want me to go to all the bother of&< tracking him down and finding out for sure, do let me know".  ) I expect there's an option to do that :-)t   Antonioa   --   ----------------- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.209 ************************