1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 16 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 210       Contents:6 Re: "Pulling" a File From OpenVMS from M$ Visual Basic6 Re: "Pulling" a File From OpenVMS from M$ Visual Basic@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers Re: Back in the saddle Re: Back in the saddleF Re: Configuring TCPIP SMTP server to ignore undeliverable mail??Patch! Re: copy file to tape with vms Re: copy file to tape with vms Re: copy file to tape with vms Re: copy file to tape with vms Linking XV for OpenVMS4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...- Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon  Re: Postscript Re: Question on processors Reading Apple diskettes  Re: Reading Apple diskettes  Re: Routing question Re: SSL in AST-driven programm?  Re: SSL in AST-driven programm?  Re: VAX/VMS-WNT integration... Re: VAX/VMS-WNT integration... Re: VMS/modem setup help?  Re: VMS/modem setup help?  Re: VMS/modem setup help? $ Re: Why VMS advertising is important$ Re: Why VMS advertising is important$ Re: Why VMS advertising is important$ Re: Why VMS advertising is important$ Re: Why VMS advertising is important$ Re: Xwindows TCPIP/DECnet forwarding$ Re: Xwindows TCPIP/DECnet forwarding$ Re: Xwindows TCPIP/DECnet forwarding Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Help  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:21:12 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ? Subject: Re: "Pulling" a File From OpenVMS from M$ Visual Basic 8 Message-ID: <phjr70dnj0ljceunr6s5tdkble474f7l5u@4ax.com>  O On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:37:38 -0400, Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote:   
 >James wrote:  >  >> Hi, all - >>  I >> Looking for the most robust, lowest cost way of "pulling" a small file D >> (some 30 - 40 numbers) once a minute from a OpenVMS box into a VB >> program running on WinXP. >>  H >> Alternately, a programmatic "push" from a Fortran or C program on theB >> OpenVMS box might be acceptable, but the "pull" is seen as more
 >> desirable.  >>  H >> As many suggestions as possible would be nice - thanks in advance for
 >> your help!  >  > I >If you want to use native Windows networking, install Pathworks on your  J >OpenVMS system and put the file in a directory that is shared out to the  >Windows network.  > J >Alternatively, you could use FTP in your VB program to download the file M >from the OpenVMS system.  Another possibility is to serve the file up via a  K >web server on OpenVMS and then download it via HTTP; IE can be controlled  L >via OLE on the Windows client side so that you could do this from within a  >VB program.  K Yo can also use MOD_DAV as a sort of poor mans Pathworks it uses Apache web . server as a files server. It's free of course.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:15:21 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ? Subject: Re: "Pulling" a File From OpenVMS from M$ Visual Basic ' Message-ID: <407E4499.1DCDB1AF@aaa.com>   I > If you want to use native Windows networking, install Pathworks on your J > OpenVMS system and put the file in a directory that is shared out to the > Windows network.  , Or install SAMBA and do the same for free...  	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:07:47 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 0 Message-ID: <c5lqe4$9fi$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Nigel Barker wrote: G > On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:26:11 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  > ; >>Trying in the well tried HP choirister way to compare and = >>contrast this with the demise of Alpha is only funny if you : >>arn't an Alpha cutomer. To everyone else its hillarious. >  > Q > I'm a software guy so ultimately I don't really care what hardware VMS runs on. N > Mind you if it ran on SPARC the performance would be totally unacceptable to= > what current Alpha & future Itanium customers would expect.  >   B Sounds much more like marketing spin are you in Software marketing
 or sales ?     Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 20:12:22 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)  Subject: Re: Back in the saddle = Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0404151912.119be32c@posting.google.com>   j mike-spam@yelof.com (Mike Foley) wrote in message news:<8edb64a.0404130947.425276dd@posting.google.com>... > Hi Everyone, > C > It's been about 10 years since I managed VMS systems on a regular  > basis.F > (Some of you may remember me from when I was managing VMS systems in7 > the VMS Group! STAR::MFOLEY or AXEL::FOLEY back then)  > C > Well, I've accepted a contract at a large university in Boston to B > manage some VMS systems. There's not much in the way of TecnicalG > Marketing positions out there! So, back in the well-worn saddle I go. G > It's ironic that I accepted this job the week John W. passed away. He = > would have been happy to hear someone getting a VMS job. :(  > > > I'm behind the curve in what's up with VMS so I've got a few > questions: > = > 1 What documentation should I have on my bookshelf at work? 4 None, in the distribution kit there are 2 cds called9 (depending on vintage) Digital ODL, Compaq ODL, or HP ODL  Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:27:34 +0100 ' From: "Windy" <mark@NOSPAM.helios3.com>  Subject: Re: Back in the saddle 0 Message-ID: <c5nqtu$6e5$1@news.freedom2surf.net>  0 <nospam@nouce.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message9 > I still remember how a KA10 eclipsed an 8I back in '71.  > 	 > Allison   K There'll be a time when none of us remembers. Then we can say we are dated.  Mark.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:32:05 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>O Subject: Re: Configuring TCPIP SMTP server to ignore undeliverable mail??Patch! ) Message-ID: <407DC9E0.DAC040CA@istop.com>    Don Sykes wrote:L > > Now, of course, hackers can issue random RCPT TO addresses to find valid, > > usernames on your system to try hacking.  F > I'll take that chance. 26 letters +10 numbers +underscore +$ in a 12G > byte userid, gives 38 rasied to the 12th. If my math is correct thats * > 9,065,737,908,494,995,456 possibilities!  H Take a look at your FTP logs. You'll find that they are using long lists3 potentially valid usernames, not some random stuff.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:18:59 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> ' Subject: Re: copy file to tape with vms 8 Message-ID: <funt70dmjqnm89t48ulmjn48on9o3df4cd@4ax.com>  K On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:43:54 -0400, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote:   L >On 15 Apr 2004 07:32:28 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob >Koehler) wrote: > V >>In article <ZW05Pv7DIhNz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: >>> 9 >>> $ HELP INIT /INTERCHANGE.  Suppresses the VOL2 label.  >>>  >># >>   Which release note did I miss?  > H >Bob, good question -- I didn't know about this qualifier either! I haveP >immediate access to V5.5, V6.1, V6.2, V7.1, V7.3 systems and I found it on V7.1P >but not on earlier versions. I looked in the table of contents of V7.0 and V7.1P >and don't see it there, so I don't know if it came in V7.0 (which we never ran)	 >or V7.1.   J Whichever, I rather feel it should be "on" by default.   According to VERB' (and online help), it is not.  Tsk tsk.    --  ; I'm in a phone booth at the corner of Walk and Don't Walk.     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:40:38 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>' Subject: Re: copy file to tape with vms 2 Message-ID: <c5mvgr$t1c$1@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   A tricky problem.   O First you have to know if the contents of the tape labels contains information  O that is used by the program. If so, then you also need the same tape labels on  . the new tape, and not just the corrected data.  O For instance I had a situation where bank transaction tapes contained the bank  9 account number for these transactions in the tape labels.   I Since this appears to be a labeled tape, I would not be surprised if the  4 contents of the labels is important for the program.  P It is quite easy to copy the contents of the entire tape to disk. It has been a M while since I did this, so I hope this information is correct. The principle   method is, that I am sure of.   , You start with mounting the tape as foreign.  1 Then you copy the contents of the labels to disk: . COPY $1$MKD400:X $1$DKA200:TAPE-VOL-LABELS.DAT  O You will get a file with 2 to 4 records with a fixed length of 80 bytes. If it  7 is a ASCII tape you can type the records and read them.   M Normally you should also be able to copy the data of the tape to disk by the  P next similar copy command. However this will not work here, since the length of O the blocks exceeds the 32k record lenght limit of RMS. (Hein, I sure wish this   limit could be increased).  N To see (and copy) the end-of-volume labels you need to skip the next file with$ SET MAGTAPE $1$MKD400:/SKIP=FILES:1.  $ Then you can copy these labels with:. COPY $1$MKD400:X $1$DKA200:TAPE-EOV-LABELS.DAT  , The next step is to dismount the tape again: DISMOUNT $1$MKD400: /NOUNLOAD    Mount it again:  MOUNT $1$MKD400: /OVER=ID    Look what is on the tape:  DIR $1$MKD400:   Dismount and mount again:  DISMOUNT $1$MKD400: /NOUNLOAD  MOUNT $1$MKD400: /OVER=ID    Now copy the data to disk:9 COPY $1$MKD400:<file(s)-you-see-in-DIR-output> $1$DKA200:    And dismount again.     Q If the contents of the labels is important, then you may have a big problem. The  P only way I know how to write the tape in that case, is by means of a program. I , once wrote a Cobol program for that purpose.  . You start by mounting a tape as foreign again.N In the program you open a file on the tape with a fixed 80 byte record length.O Then you write the original tape labels to that file, and close the file again.   O The next thing is to open a new file on the tape with a variable record length  N of 320 to 32640 byte. You then have to fill these 32640 byte records with the O contents of the edited 320 byte records (102 small 320 byte records in a large  O 32640 byte record). In a Cobol program there is also a field that contains the  Q record size of the variable length record. As long as the 32640 byte records are  (   full, this field should contain 32640.  Q The tricky part is at the end of the file. If there are only 50 320-byte records  - left, this field should contain 50x320=16000.   Q When the data has been written, you close the file and open a new one with fixed  N 80 byte records. You write that file with the original end-of-volume records, % and close it again, and you're ready.   O The standard VMS editor can open files with a fixed record length, but it will  N always write this file as a variable length file. It would be wise to convert Q this file again to a fixed record length of 320 byte. Then you are sure that all  4 records are 320 byte long (and not 319 or 321 byte)!  P It isn't as complex as it may look, and it is the only way I know to write such  a tape.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:33:12 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>' Subject: Re: copy file to tape with vms 6 Message-ID: <407DF468.4C06DEAC@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:4 > > To get that back to tape in the original format: > >  > > $ INIT TAPE label - > > $ MOUNT TAPE label/BLOCK=32640/RECORD=320 # > > $ COPY filespec TAPE:[]filespec  > > $ DISM/NOUNLOAD TAPE > A > Shouldn't the INITIALIZE also have the /INTERCHANGE qualifier ?    Either way.   $ > Also, should MOUNT have /FOREIGN ?  3 No - won't be file-structured (think "raw device").   C It should probably say MOUNT/NOHDR3, however, so that's my mistake.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 07:32:28 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: copy file to tape with vms 3 Message-ID: <TRDwbL2yUeni@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <ZW05Pv7DIhNz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > 7 > $ HELP INIT /INTERCHANGE.  Suppresses the VOL2 label.  >   !    Which release note did I miss?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:46:49 -0700 * From: "Alder" <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> Subject: Linking XV for OpenVMS + Message-ID: <407ef4b8$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   7 Alpha running VMS 7.3, Compaq C 6.5-001, and MMK V3.9_6   F I'm trying to build XV from source and use some libraries I've alreadyF installed, rather than build them again from the XV distro.  I can getG through the compilation phase without a problem, but the linker reports H several undefined symbols.  I'm thinking that if I knew what library wasH supposed to contain these symbols, then I could probably figure out whatF I've messed up in the linker options file or MMS file.  What I do knowD (from running "$ LIBRARY/NAMES/LIST") is that the object libraries IB create during the build (XVLIB.OLB), and the ones I have installedD already (LIBJPEG.OLB, LIBPNG.OLB, LIBTIFF.OLB, and LIBZ.OLB), do not contain the missing symbols.  : I've modified two files in the distribution for my system:! DECC_OPTIONS.OPT and DESCRIP.MMS.    DECC_OPTIONS.OPT5 ===================================================== 3 ! XV (v3.10a-VMS) Linker Options list for VMS DEC C  !  Sys$Disk:[]LibXV.olb /Library ( SYS$COMMON:[LIBJPEG]LibJPEG.olb /Library( SYS$COMMON:[LIBTIFF]LibTIFF.olb /Library& SYS$COMMON:[LIBPNG]LibPNG.olb /Library" SYS$COMMON:[LIBZ]LibZ.olb /Library ! 9 ! Some of the following libraries may not be available on # ! older systems like Motif v1.0/1.1 8 ! I know they are available for OpenVMS v6.1/Motif v1.2./ ! If you get a report that they can't be found, 4 ! comment them out and try the single one instead...! !Sys$Library:DECW$XTShr.exe/Share ' Sys$Library:DECW$DXMLibShr12.exe /Share & Sys$Library:DECW$XMLibShr12.exe /Share& Sys$Library:DECW$XTLibShrR5.exe /Share" ! Everyone should have this one...# Sys$Library:DECW$XLibShr.exe /Share 5 =====================================================        DESCRIP.MMS ' Here, the lines I've changed are these: 5 ===================================================== - BINDIR = DISK$PGM:[KITS.MISC.XV.XV-3_10A-VMS]    JPEG = , DOJPEG  JPEGDIR = SYS$COMMON:[LIBJPEG] JPEGLIB = $(JPEGDIR)LibJPEG.olb  JPEGINCLUDE = , $(JPEGDIR)   TIFF = , DOTIFF  TIFFDIR = SYS$COMMON:[LIBTIFF] TIFFLIB = $(TIFFDIR)LibTIFF.OLB  TIFFINCLUDE = , $(TIFFDIR)   PNG    = , DOPNG PNGDIR = SYS$COMMON:[LIBPNG] PNGLIB = $(PNGDIR)LibPNG.olb PNGINCLUDE = , $(PNGDIR)   ZDIR = SYS$COMMON:[LIBZ] ZLIB = $(ZDIR)LibZ.olb ZINCLUDE = , $(ZDIR)  H OPTIMIZE = /ANSI /Standard = VAXC /Prefix = All /Names=(as_is,shortened)	 /Optimize       / Here's what I'm seeing when the linking starts:    $ MMK  . . .  [snip] . . .  LINK /EXEC=BGGEN.EXE /NoDebug , bggen.obj,Sys$Disk:[]DECC_OPTIONS.OPT/Option' %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 23 undefined symbols:  %LINK-I-UDFSYM, XFree  %LINK-I-UDFSYM, XGetGeometry %LINK-I-UDFSYM, XLookupColor %LINK-I-UDFSYM, XOpenDisplay %LINK-I-UDFSYM, XParseGeometry %LINK-I-UDFSYM, XQueryTree %LINK-I-UDFSYM, lib$find_file ! %LINK-I-UDFSYM, lib$find_file_end  %LINK-I-UDFSYM, lib$set_symbol %LINK-I-UDFSYM, lib$sfree1_dd  %LINK-I-UDFSYM, lib$spawn  %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$assign %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$close  %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$crembx %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$dassgn %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$dclexh %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$getdviw  %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$getsyiw  %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$open %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$qio  %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$qiow %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$setef  %LINK-I-UDFSYM, sys$synch : %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol XLookupColor referenced! in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000170 D in module BGGEN file DISK$PGM:[KITS.MISC.XV.XV-3_10A-VMS]BGGEN.OBJ;1< %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol XParseGeometry referenced! in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000230 D in module BGGEN file DISK$PGM:[KITS.MISC.XV.XV-3_10A-VMS]BGGEN.OBJ;1 . . .  [snip] . . . 7 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol sys$close referenced ! in psect $LINK$ offset %X000004B0 B in module VMS file DISK$PGM:[KITS.MISC.XV.XV-3_10A-VMS]LIBXV.OLB;1  D %MMK-F-ERRUPD, error status %X10648268 occurred when updating target	 BGGEN.EXE     G I'm too much a newbie with VMS and C programming to sort this out on my G own, so I'd appreciate it someone here could help me solve the problem.    Terry    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 11:44:41 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404151044.34a9a037@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c5m5co$dd8$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...   = what they are really saying is that unix/linux is convuluted, @ has no security, has cert warnings galore, has lousy clustering,= has lousy uptime (see techwise report) and only a fool, or in $ many cases fools, will use it ... :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:14:31 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 0 Message-ID: <c5m5co$dd8$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Chuck Chopp wrote: > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > 7 >> it's too bad HP can't seem to help it on its way out 5 >> using OpenVMS as the doorman ... and if users want 6 >> help, VMS has plenty of that and is ready to go out$ >> of the box as far as security ... >> >>, >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15343 >  >  > E > LOL.  I wonder if Ms. Levesque is a dirty sock puppet belonging to  H > Micro$oft or $un.  It certainly seems like she's pushing an agenda of K > some sort, as her comments used in that article seem to be badly off the  J > mark.  If she was examining Linux systems from 5 or 6 years ago, yes, I K > can see how the desktop shell, system administration & O.S. installation  K > procedures & tools would have been unfriendly to non-technical users.  I  H > have never been what you'd call a sophisticated Unix/Linux user/admin K > type of person, but recent experiences installing SuSE Linux v9 Pro were  C > so positive for me that I'm just overjoyed to be working with it  I > hands-on.  The system installation tool, YaST, is the best of its type  J > that I've ever dealt with.  Overall, SuSE 9 has been easier to install,  > configure & use than WinXP.  >   ; Why on earth are you grouping MS with Sun in this diatribe.   = Is it because Sun has settled its outstanding litigation with < MS having basically got what it wanted from the litigation ?  < Were you expecting Sun to continue to litigate regardless of the remedies offered by MS ??   : Or is it because you bizarrely think that Sun, by far in a; way the largest contributor of IP from the commercial space 9 to the OpenSource space somehow has it in for OpenSource.   @ Or is it because bizarrely you think that Sun who is the highest= volume supplier of linux through JDS (based on SuSe which you @ apparently like) is going to endorse an article that slams Linux because of its usability.   > We would be very unlikely to spend lots of money funding Gnome; development then spend loads of money integrating Gnome and 7 non Gnome utilities with a consistent user interface in = an attempt to compete against WindowsXP and then endorse this 	 article !   < Why would we also spend loads of money developing StarOffice= and developing an OpenSource program arround it is we thought ; that the non Windows target environments for it would never & cut the mustard from a UI standpoint ?  = You seem to have made the classic mistake of confusing action 
 with retoric.   = HP for example talks a wonderfull talk about Linux but really ? only provides commodity platforms to run Linux and what exactly ; is the incremental value in that. If you can come up with a 8 noteworthy HP donation of IP to the OpenSource community9 then please feel free to provide it and don't say porting 8 to Itanium because even Linus is rather ambivilent about	 that one.   B IBM talk a wonderfull talk about Linux but see Linux as a fabulous& opportunity to sell services so ditto.  5 I would suggest a little more thought before posting.    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:56:12 +0200   From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>6 Subject: Re: OT - Outsourced customer service - Amazon- Message-ID: <c5lt8t$1rfn$1@news.cybercity.dk>    Well,   G The answer is in, and now we know why VAT is charged at destination not  source by Amazon.   
 Dr. Dweeb.     -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Dweeb. Sent: 14 April 2004 07:44  To: Enquiries {NW}= Subject: Levying of VAT by UK company at destination VAT rate    Hello,  I I have become aware that books purchased at Amazon.co.uk delivered within I the EU are levied VAT at destination VAT rates. This seems contrary to my 8 understanding of the current VAT legislation and intent.  V http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/browse/-/help/502576/026-8111183-1812412   Wherein one can read,   E "VAT stands for value added tax, which is charged on goods (including K e-Books) sold by Amazon.co.uk within the European Union (EU). In accordance F with the laws governing members of the European Union, Amazon.co.uk isG obliged to charge VAT on all orders delivered to destinations in member L countries of the EU. In general, VAT is charged in accordance with the local" legislation in each member state."  K It appears that Amazon is VAT registered in every EU state and thus charges K VAT at destination VAT rates, despite the fact the books are purchased from H Amazon.co.uk and presumably delivered from the UK.  The apparent address for,  Amazon sales is    Amazon.com Int'l Sales, Inc. c/o Marston Gate Ridgmont, BEDFORD MK43 0XP United Kingdom  K suggesting to the average punter (as does the .co.uk suffix) that one is in K fact dealing with a UK subsidiary.  It may be that this is not the case and I that Amazon has only a fictive european presence in each EU state for the 4 sole purpose of collecting VAT in each member state.  K Anyway, s this arrangement correct/legal in the context of the new unified - rules regarding intra-EU cross border sales ?   J I would think that the idea of levying VAT at source is understood by mostL people to mean that buying goods in the UK resulted in UK VAT being charged.J This has been my experience in 100% of cases until now, and therefore this e-mail.      Thank you for your help.
 Dr. Dweeb.   >>> Response  
 Dr. Dweeb,  F Normally when goods are dispatched from the UK to a non-vat registeredG customer in the EC, the supply is subject to UK VAT.  However, under EC F legislation each EC member state has a threshold for these sales.  TheI supplier must register for vat in each member state when they exceed that K threshold.  They may not have a place of belonging in that member state but + are required to complete and pay tax there.   L This is called distance selling and you can find more information about this in notice 700/1, section 4.    Regards    Emma Fargie  Cheadle Enquiries  Ref: CHD/U/04/597    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 20:25:40 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)  Subject: Re: Postscript = Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0404151925.41a79184@posting.google.com>   k Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<c5jf2l$2dllu$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>...  > Tom Linden wrote:  > > ! > >>   -----Original Message----- 8 > >>   From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com], > >>   Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:55 PM  > >>   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > >>  Subject: Re: Postscript  > >>   >  .   > >>   Michael Unger wrote:  > >>O > >>   > And it still doesn't explain why the PDF documents aren't available on  > >>   > the web.  > >>  M > >>   In fairness, they are available for VMS operating system, and are/were $ > >>   available for TCPIP services. > >>  Q > >>   I find the HTML rather useless because you cannot search in it, you cannot F > >>   easily print it (for instance, a single HTML document may be 20 > >>   pages long,M > >>   but you have no way of knowing on which page the paragraph you need is " > >>   located). With PDF you can. > > ' > > Don't most browsers support ctrl-F?  > > A > No, the problem is that a given manual is split into many HTML  5 > documents. For example, the DEC C documentation in  H > SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.CC$ALPHA_HELP_065] consists of 6 PostScript files, E > and 6 text files, but the HTML equivalent is no less than 227 HTML   > files, plus 47 .GIFs. B I find that installing the ODL on a pc and then using the Windows ! indexing service works very well.  Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:30:23 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com># Subject: Re: Question on processors 2 Message-ID: <P7wfc.3164$jM3.1795@news.cpqcorp.net>   Nom de Plume wrote:    > > > AFAIK, the Opteron is an x86 architecture with 64 bit memoryB > extensions, with maybe some other additions.  For OpenVMS to runG > natively, I would think that some intermediary microcode architecture G > would have to be built around the Opteron to support things like four F > processing modes versus two.  Is this a requirement, and if so, doesH > it add an engineering cost that makes porting OpenVMS to x86-64 a less > feasible possibility?  >   @ Most recent X86s and Opteron have 4 modes.  Not a problem there.  G The limited register set (even in the full 64-bit mode on the Opteron)  H is more of a problem with all the Macro-32 code lying around that still 9 thinks it has lots of registers to pass between routines.      --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:56:15 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: Reading Apple diskettes9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMEIMDBAA.tom@kednos.com>   * Is it possible on VMS, Tru64 Linux or W2K? --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:11:10 +0000 (UTC) - From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) $ Subject: Re: Reading Apple diskettes. Message-ID: <c5n4qe$7jd$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes in article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMEIMDBAA.tom@kednos.com> dated Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:56:15 -0700:+ >Is it possible on VMS, Tru64 Linux or W2K?   G Some of the old Mac diskette formats were variable-speed, so they could K squeeze more data into the outer sectors.  Disks formatted that way are not ; going to be compatible with anything except an old Apple.     J The newer format is 1.4MB but different from PC 1.44MB.  You'll be able toH read that with the right software, which might be available for Windows.  F Apple hasn't required floppys on their computers since at least 1999. ! The format is dying, if not dead.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 04:18:41 GMT 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> Subject: Re: Routing question ) Message-ID: <B8Jfc.47$ru4.4738@attbi_s52>    Jeffrey Coffield wrote:   ' > I would like to set up the following:  >  >        Remote User >             |  >             V  >         --Internet-- >         |          | > (T1)    |          | (DSL) >         V          V >   Firewall 1    Firewall 2 >         |          | >         V          V >        --------------- >        [     VMS     ] >        --------------- > H > The remote user could access a web server on the VMS box using either F > t1.company.com or dsl.company.com with each firewall forwarding the G > connection to the same VMS box. The idea is that if one of the lines  J > fail, the other would provide a backup path, but both would be links on / > another site so a user could pick either one.   = You can put DNS entries with one name that translates to both 6 addresses, and other names that translate to one each.  I > The problem is the default route to return the packets appears to only  G > allow one gateway back to the internet. What I would like is packets  F > coming in on the T1 to go back thru the T1 and the same for the DSL.  < Yes, that is how routing works.  You can use RIP, or another: routing protocol, so that it will switch if one goes down.  3 All that I know of route on destination not source.   ? > The system has the latest version of VMS and TCP/IP services.    -- glen    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:15:49 +0400 : From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>( Subject: Re: SSL in AST-driven programm?3 Message-ID: <9935F4203FDD4150AC64946282307767@nntp>    Hi !) 	Have a look to WASD HTTP Server sources.    Valentin Likoum wrote:   > Hello all, > K >   We have a TCPIP server AST-driven programm. Now we need to  fasten SSL  C > to it. After reading OpenSSL API docs I realized that it's not a   > straight task.H >   HP OpenSSL for OpenVMS manual says that it's possible to use qio[w] C > calls with SSL API (via BIO calls) but it's not clear how and no   > examples are given. H >   And the most important: SSL_read and SSL_write calls don't have and B > AST routine parameter and no such a beast as ssl$qio[w] exist :)H >   Have anybody implemented something like it? Any expirience to share? >  >   Thank you.   --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+D Delta Telecom Inc., NMT-450i, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operatorE Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 116-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:46:39 +0500 & From: Valentin Likoum <me@privacy.net>( Subject: Re: SSL in AST-driven programm?9 Message-ID: <c5ns00$3pmns$1@ID-184585.news.uni-berlin.de>    Mark Daniel wrote:% > Hi Ruslan, good to see your script.  > K > Any interest in IPv6?  WASD's just finished being fitted out with it and  6 > I'll be looking for some ALPHA/BETA testers shortly. > 	 >  > Hi ! 1 >  >     Have a look to WASD HTTP Server sources.  >  > 8 >   http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/src/httpd/sesolanet.c  ;    Ruslan and Mark, thank you very much. Will dive into it.    --  
 Best regards, 
   Valentin)   valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 07:28:26 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: VAX/VMS-WNT integration... 3 Message-ID: <eaGw4DlNpUWw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <ddf392ea.0404140631.6a8f778e@posting.google.com>, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) writes: V > I'd like issue the command "at" in a WNT system from VMS system...is there any way ?Q > I can issue Solaris commands from VMS using RSH, but could I use RSH with WNT ?   4    There are rsh servers for WNT.  Find and use one.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:29:32 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ' Subject: Re: VAX/VMS-WNT integration... 0 Message-ID: <c5m2oc$cc3$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Chuck Chopp wrote: > Shiva MahaDeva wrote:  > H >> I'd like issue the command "at" in a WNT system from VMS system...is  >> there any way ?H >> I can issue Solaris commands from VMS using RSH, but could I use RSH 
 >> with WNT ?  >  > K > You need to install a service on WinNT/2K/XP/03 for either RSH, REXEC or  K > Telnet before you can do that.  Depending on the version of Windows, you  D > might need a commercial/shareware/freeware product, an add-on for K > Windows that can be downloaded from Microsoft or obtained from a Windows  G > ResKit, or it might be an optional component in Windows that you can  8 > choose to install from the Windows installation CDROM. >  >     < The Windows 2000 server resource kit includes a RSH service.  9 There a lots of commercial RSHD's for other Windows OS's.r   MKSe Denicomp  ' There may also be freeware equivalents.f   regardsI Andrew Harrisoni   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:41:51 -0400f  From: nobody <nobody@nobody.org>" Subject: Re: VMS/modem setup help?* Message-ID: <407DCC2A.94234BA8@nobody.org>   John wrote:y > K > Hi. I purchased a CDS-902X cellular modem and would like to connect it tokI > our Alpha to allow people to login and use the Alpha. The modem will beuM > connected to the Alpha externally using the serial port. Is there a programe5 > that will let the Alpha communicate with the modem?e    M VMS comes with proper serial port support for login. What the port expects ise@ that the user will press <return> to activate the login process.  N For inbound calls, you want to make sure that the modem has status reports forG inbound calls DISABLED. Also depending on the type of serial port/alpha I machine you have, you will also probably want to get all the proper modems+ control  signals on both the modem and VMS.D  & on VMS, you would want something like:  < $SET TERM TTAx: /PERM/MODEM/DIALUP/HANGUP/ALTYPAHD/AUTOBAUD   I However, if your cellular modem provides a fixed speed interface, you can:3 replace the /AUTOBAUD with /NOAUTOBAUD/SPEED=xxxxxxc    G You'll need full documentation on your modem to set the right switches.7  ) From VMS, you can talk to the modem with:W   $SET HOST/DTE TTAx:8   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Apr 2004 22:38:43 GMT  From: John <1312313@312.321.312>" Subject: Re: VMS/modem setup help?= Message-ID: <Xns94CC9F35830801312313312321312@129.250.170.91>e  F nobody <nobody@nobody.org> wrote in news:407DCC2A.94234BA8@nobody.org:  D > VMS comes with proper serial port support for login. What the portD > expects is that the user will press <return> to activate the login > process. e > D > For inbound calls, you want to make sure that the modem has statusC > reports for inbound calls DISABLED. Also depending on the type ofnH > serial port/alpha machine you have, you will also probably want to getB > all the proper modem control  signals on both the modem and VMS. > ( > on VMS, you would want something like: > > > $SET TERM TTAx: /PERM/MODEM/DIALUP/HANGUP/ALTYPAHD/AUTOBAUD  > G > However, if your cellular modem provides a fixed speed interface, youo9 > can replace the /AUTOBAUD with /NOAUTOBAUD/SPEED=xxxxxxd >  > ? > You'll need full documentation on your modem to set the right  > switches.  > + > From VMS, you can talk to the modem with:s >  > $SET HOST/DTE TTAx:i >  >   L I got it working thanks to you. If I want to retrieve files from our Alpha, K do I need to install a Kermit-type program on the Alpha? I have one on the rF PC, but I can't retrieve any files from the Alpha when I call it. I'm J guessing the Alpha does not come with any file transfer protocol programs.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:16:37 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e" Subject: Re: VMS/modem setup help?, Message-ID: <407F41FD.41F26621@teksavvy.com>   John wrote: M > I got it working thanks to you. If I want to retrieve files from our Alpha,1L > do I need to install a Kermit-type program on the Alpha? I have one on theG > PC, but I can't retrieve any files from the Alpha when I call it. I'msL > guessing the Alpha does not come with any file transfer protocol programs.  H Yep, you'll need a matching software on VMS and your PC. You can installL Kermit on the VMS machine, log in interactively, invoke the kermit software,N issue the "SERVER" kermit command and then you can get back onto the kermit on0 your PC to do stuff such as push/pull files etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:32:52 -0400'# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t- Subject: Re: Why VMS advertising is importantd, Message-ID: <aNmdnbmv8YmoReDdRVn-gQ@igs.net>  0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message4 news:MQifc.309$KW4.162@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:N_qdnXoXAdNR5-DdRVn-gw@igs.net...H > > Yet another example of why raising the profile of VMS is critical -- whenB > > all executives hear about is Windows, Linux, and Solaris...... > > E > > If they don't know about it, ask about it, and they won't buy it.s > >e > >o >ML http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=66&ncid=1208&e=10&u=/bw/2004" > > 0413/bs_bw/tc200404139334tc146 > >b > >0J > > "....So now, CEOs have "woken up to the fact that they have to be moreI > > involved and more comfortable asking the hard questions," says DermotAL > > Shorten, a vice-president at Booz Allen. Consequently, computer trainers > for L > > CEOs have become hot commodities. Technology-related executive-educationI > > courses have thrived. And today, CEOs are more tech-savvy -- and mores > > careful about IT spending. > >cG > > Allen Salikof, CEO of Management Recruiters International Worldwide  (MRI),J > > says in the mid-1990s, chief execs -- himself included -- made few keyJ > > technology decisions. Today, many approve nearly all of them. "They'veL > > become less likely to give chief information officers a free hand," says > thedD > > head of the world's largest managerial, technical, and executive
 > recruitment-	 > > firm.  > >e >rD > I'm not against advertising VMS but, this seems to argue *against*G > advertising VMS.  If CEOs are actually being trained,  then HP has tod either/ > advertise to the trainers or do the training.m >aH > It's the CEOs that don't get training that only know what they read in trade  > rags.b  C Just where would HP advertise to trainers? In "Technology Training"kE magazine? or perhaps "Mis-Informed Guiding the Un-Informed" magazine?   I No, HP has to advertise where the demand will be created...same place theTL CEO reads his news and entertainment...WSJ, Fortune, Business Week, AviationI Week, Economist, Robb Report, The Wine Spectator, ....even in a Sotheby'ss catalogue if permitted   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:52:38 -0400t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: Why VMS advertising is importanti) Message-ID: <407DDCBB.87824890@istop.com>    John Smith wrote:,K > No, HP has to advertise where the demand will be created...same place the N > CEO reads his news and entertainment...WSJ, Fortune, Business Week, AviationK > Week, Economist, Robb Report, The Wine Spectator, ....even in a Sotheby's  > catalogue if permitted    N HP needs an intelligent, well thought out marketing campaign that is realisticN with regards to VMS's current situation. HP has to admit that VMS has been notC only been neglected, but actively destroyed during the last decade.h  I With a new product, you start from 0. With VMS, you start with a negative<) number, so there is more work to be done.g  L There needs to be a public media marketing. There needs to be advertising inL geek magazines/websites, there needs to be some advertsing in the "business"L media quoted by Mr Smith. But eahc market must be targetted correctly and in the right sequence..  L For VMS to succeed again, it needs to not only get the eyes of the managers,N but also of the geeks who will propose various solutions. Right now, the geeks! either proporse Windows or Linux.w  J If if HP wants to break the "VMS is old" image, it need to spruce up the X5 wondows interface used by most hobbyists/geeks: VAX.    H For instance, you could start with a short very public ad. Then, spend a@ couple months targeting the geeks go for the business magazines.  N The public ads are necessary to bring back awareness of VMS and kill the ideasN that VMS is dead. It is also necessary as a foundation for the other marketing you will be doing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:40:08 -0500l@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>- Subject: Re: Why VMS advertising is importante6 Message-ID: <407DF608.D55BC388@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   John Smith wrote:e > 2 > "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message6 > news:MQifc.309$KW4.162@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message* > > news:N_qdnXoXAdNR5-DdRVn-gw@igs.net...J > > > Yet another example of why raising the profile of VMS is critical -- > whenD > > > all executives hear about is Windows, Linux, and Solaris...... > > >aG > > > If they don't know about it, ask about it, and they won't buy it.t > > >h > > >n > > N > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=66&ncid=1208&e=10&u=/bw/2004$ > > > 0413/bs_bw/tc200404139334tc146 > > >  > > >tL > > > "....So now, CEOs have "woken up to the fact that they have to be moreK > > > involved and more comfortable asking the hard questions," says DermotbN > > > Shorten, a vice-president at Booz Allen. Consequently, computer trainers > > fortN > > > CEOs have become hot commodities. Technology-related executive-educationK > > > courses have thrived. And today, CEOs are more tech-savvy -- and more   > > > careful about IT spending. > > >sI > > > Allen Salikof, CEO of Management Recruiters International Worldwide  > (MRI),L > > > says in the mid-1990s, chief execs -- himself included -- made few keyL > > > technology decisions. Today, many approve nearly all of them. "They'veN > > > become less likely to give chief information officers a free hand," says > > theDF > > > head of the world's largest managerial, technical, and executive > > recruitmentR > > > firm.o > > >d > >oF > > I'm not against advertising VMS but, this seems to argue *against*I > > advertising VMS.  If CEOs are actually being trained,  then HP has tou > either1 > > advertise to the trainers or do the training.t > >pJ > > It's the CEOs that don't get training that only know what they read in > tradep	 > > rags.  > E > Just where would HP advertise to trainers? In "Technology Training"oG > magazine? or perhaps "Mis-Informed Guiding the Un-Informed" magazine?a > K > No, HP has to advertise where the demand will be created...same place theeN > CEO reads his news and entertainment...WSJ, Fortune, Business Week, AviationK > Week, Economist, Robb Report, The Wine Spectator, ....even in a Sotheby'st > catalogue if permitted  F Agreed - because then they will ask the the trainers, "So, what's this> 'VMS' I hear about from time to time?", to which the under- orD mis-informed trainer will respond, "Dead legacy garbage - they don'tA even advertise it anymore, the ISVs have all bailed, and even the E hardware it runs on was killed off three years ago - don't waste yours* mental effort on it, Microsoft *IS* I.T.!"   -- e David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:11:15 +0200p  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>- Subject: Re: Why VMS advertising is importanta- Message-ID: <c5lqkj$1p8e$1@news.cybercity.dk>    David J. Dachtera wrote: > John Smith wrote:  >>3 >> "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in messagel7 >> news:MQifc.309$KW4.162@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...i2 >>> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message* >>> news:N_qdnXoXAdNR5-DdRVn-gw@igs.net...F >>>> Yet another example of why raising the profile of VMS is critical= >>>> -- when all executives hear about is Windows, Linux, ande >>>> Solaris...... >>>>F >>>> If they don't know about it, ask about it, and they won't buy it. >>>> >>>> >>>h >>L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=66&ncid=1208&e=10&u=/bw/2004# >>>> 0413/bs_bw/tc200404139334tc146l >>>> >>>>F >>>> "....So now, CEOs have "woken up to the fact that they have to beC >>>> more involved and more comfortable asking the hard questions,"fG >>>> says Dermot Shorten, a vice-president at Booz Allen. Consequently,n< >>>> computer trainers for CEOs have become hot commodities.E >>>> Technology-related executive-education courses have thrived. And.A >>>> today, CEOs are more tech-savvy -- and more careful about ITA >>>> spending. >>>>> >>>> Allen Salikof, CEO of Management Recruiters InternationalC >>>> Worldwide (MRI), says in the mid-1990s, chief execs -- himselfnG >>>> included -- made few key technology decisions. Today, many approvetB >>>> nearly all of them. "They've become less likely to give chiefD >>>> information officers a free hand," says the head of the world'sC >>>> largest managerial, technical, and executive recruitment firm.l >>>> >>> F >>> I'm not against advertising VMS but, this seems to argue *against*F >>> advertising VMS.  If CEOs are actually being trained,  then HP has; >>> to either advertise to the trainers or do the training.f >>>@G >>> It's the CEOs that don't get training that only know what they readV >>> in trade rags. >>F >> Just where would HP advertise to trainers? In "Technology Training"H >> magazine? or perhaps "Mis-Informed Guiding the Un-Informed" magazine? >>B >> No, HP has to advertise where the demand will be created...sameA >> place the CEO reads his news and entertainment...WSJ, Fortune,dA >> Business Week, Aviation Week, Economist, Robb Report, The Wine'< >> Spectator, ....even in a Sotheby's catalogue if permitted >nH > Agreed - because then they will ask the the trainers, "So, what's this@ > 'VMS' I hear about from time to time?", to which the under- orF > mis-informed trainer will respond, "Dead legacy garbage - they don'tC > even advertise it anymore, the ISVs have all bailed, and even thebG > hardware it runs on was killed off three years ago - don't waste yourO, > mental effort on it, Microsoft *IS* I.T.!"  L Aside from the "Dead" (which is debatable) it is hard to argue with the rest" of the theoretical response.  Sad.  
 Dr. Dweeb.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:20:22 -0400G# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>Z- Subject: Re: Why VMS advertising is important , Message-ID: <1dSdne27a9KKEePdRVn-hA@igs.net>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageo7 news:d7791aa1.0404150454.36e6e828@posting.google.com...e0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( news:<N_qdnXoXAdNR5-DdRVn-gw@igs.net>... > >.J > > "....So now, CEOs have "woken up to the fact that they have to be moreI > > involved and more comfortable asking the hard questions," says Dermot L > > Shorten, a vice-president at Booz Allen. Consequently, computer trainers for=L > > CEOs have become hot commodities. Technology-related executive-educationI > > courses have thrived. And today, CEOs are more tech-savvy -- and more= > > careful about IT spending. > > G > > Allen Salikof, CEO of Management Recruiters International Worldwide) (MRI),J > > says in the mid-1990s, chief execs -- himself included -- made few keyJ > > technology decisions. Today, many approve nearly all of them. "They'veL > > become less likely to give chief information officers a free hand," says theUD > > head of the world's largest managerial, technical, and executive recruitment$	 > > firm.P >ID > this is why all these companies are screwed up in the first place!C > CEOs that think they are CIOs ... they are trying to be something D > they are not, which is a computer expert ... they should leave theC > technology decisions as far as computer platforms to the experts!s     Get a half-life Bob.  @ All the 'so-called' experts these days seem to know about (as inK "mindshare") is Windows and Linux, so that's all they will recommend to the F CEO. Isn't it better that the CEO KNOWS that there is something better available to the company?$   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:27:55 -0400N* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: Xwindows TCPIP/DECnet forwardingS) Message-ID: <407DC8E6.FA2FF309@istop.com>    Jonathan Boswell wrote: M > A long, long time ago, I used a software product on a VAX (with no graphicsiM > head) that acted as an X-windows server for remote TCPIP X-windows clients.y  L Actually, for X windows, the "client server" is reversed.  The server is theL terminal, and the client is the computer with the software. Consider that itC is the computer that connects to the terminal (and not vice versa).e  J > The VAX translated X to DECnet for display on a VAXstation lacking an IPN > stack.  Does anybody recall what that software product was called, and if it$ > might still be available on Alpha?    N It is part of VMS. When you define the target X terminal, you specify both the- transport as well as the destination address.   3 so $SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=decnet/NODE=pastry @ or $SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=tcpip/node=pastry.chocolate.com  J There is also a "LOCAL" transport for when the X terminal runs on the same node as the X software.-  M > What I'm trying to do is get an X-windows client running on a Scyld Beowulf.L > cluster to display on a PC running Excursion.  The Beowulf cluster and theF > PC are on separate private networks, with two ES40s (OpenVMS V7.3-2) > bridging the two.   H Ok, so what you want is to get a non-Digital Unix box to use decnet as X0 transport to a PC. That is a bit more difficult.  A Any chance that the Excusriosn could support TCPIP as transport ?t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:56:33 GMT 6 From: Gib Copeland <copeland@not.jenni.path.uiowa.edu>- Subject: Re: Xwindows TCPIP/DECnet forwarding-. Message-ID: <RiFfc.48592$rg5.103963@attbi_s52>   Jonathan Boswell wrote:UM > A long, long time ago, I used a software product on a VAX (with no graphics M > head) that acted as an X-windows server for remote TCPIP X-windows clients.uJ > The VAX translated X to DECnet for display on a VAXstation lacking an IPN > stack.  Does anybody recall what that software product was called, and if it$ > might still be available on Alpha? > M > What I'm trying to do is get an X-windows client running on a Scyld Beowulf L > cluster to display on a PC running Excursion.  The Beowulf cluster and theF > PC are on separate private networks, with two ES40s (OpenVMS V7.3-2) > bridging the two.i >  >   E Have you thought about IP forwarding by the ES40s from one network to G the other?  That's probably the lightest weight means of doing what yourD want.  Enable forwarding and set appropriate routes where necessary.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 07:40:22 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e- Subject: Re: Xwindows TCPIP/DECnet forwardinge3 Message-ID: <McAS8COqFK58@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  h In article <oWgfc.136$Ny6.247@mencken.net.nih.gov>, "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov> writes:M > A long, long time ago, I used a software product on a VAX (with no graphicsIM > head) that acted as an X-windows server for remote TCPIP X-windows clients. J > The VAX translated X to DECnet for display on a VAXstation lacking an IPN > stack.  Does anybody recall what that software product was called, and if it$ > might still be available on Alpha?  L    X via DECnet or IP and a collection of X servers and clients are a built     in part of DECwindows.   E    Bridging X between DECnet and TCP/IP networks is available in somea    IP stacks, such as MUltinet.r   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2004 07:29:58 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)u! Subject: Re: [ot] DNS Lookup Helpe3 Message-ID: <wI6631rrQTOS@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  f In article <Rtefc.36797$QP5.8720@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>, Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> writes:E > Could someone please do a DNS lookup of my site alphase.com ($ mcr d, > SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP.EXE ALPHASE.COM)K > When I do one it gets translated at my ISP's DNS server and it's ok, BUT i+ > it says it's a "Non-authoritative answer" 6 > A customer says it doesn't translate at all for her. >       Using Multinet nslookup:o      Non-authoritative answer:    Name:    ALPHASE.COMo    Address:  67.125.72.73i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.210 ************************