1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 19 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 217       Contents:@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers Re: Back in the saddle Re: Delta Time -followup> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... LYNX, character sets, DECterm ! Re: LYNX, character sets, DECterm ! Need help on gcc/gnv setup on VMS # Re: OpenVMS I64 workstation timing? 8 Re: OSI Application Developer's Toolkit Files on an Open@ OSI Application Developer's Toolkit Files on an OpenVMS System ? Pathworks and Windows 2003 DC  Re: PCanywhere and VAX VMS Re: PCanywhere and VAX VMS Re: PCanywhere and VAX VMS Re: PCanywhere and VAX VMS RWINS  Re: stop process Re: stop process- Re: Tape Replicating Hardware and/or Software - Re: Tape Replicating Hardware and/or Software 6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable/ Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS " Re: VMS Security checking software( [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost, Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost, Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost, Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:26:50 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 0 Message-ID: <c60njb$s8l$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:  > F > You didn't say that the efforts and the later cancelled Millenum andF > Gemini CPUs were bad for Sun? Many people seem to believe that was a > bad thing...    ; Well of course getting to the point of taping out a CPU and < then cancelling it is bad, effort has been expended and that7 is not longer of value. I can guarantee that any honest ; HP person will tell you that projects do get canned ideally > before they come to market, though sometimes as in the VAX9000! afterwards which is rather worse.   > And this sort of scenario is fairly common across the spectrum2 of software projects through to hardware projects.  < It would be fun for example to count the number of Microsoft. projects that have been canned over the years.  ? Does Sun regret canning Millenium, of course. Does this compare ? with Alpha being canned no because customers havn't been harmed  in the process.   ? Perhaps the best illustration of the difference is the relative ? status of the F15/25K and the GS1280. Canning USV has no impact < on customers for F15/25K's because USV was never going to be available for these servers.  < Canning the last iteration of Alpha for example has a direct4 impact on existing GS1280 customers, it was destined: to be an upgrade for these systems so the maximum headroom of the systems just declined.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 10:03:50 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Back in the saddle 3 Message-ID: <pMkd1p4W9p4k@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <newscache$qia6wh$00z$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:   2 >>>VMS was available on Alphas in 1994, I am sure. > * > Of course. I had a sandpiper since 1992.  2 Mike Foley certainly had access before you did :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:54:24 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>! Subject: Re: Delta Time -followup 9 Message-ID: <c60snh$6lsfs$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    William Hymen wrote:E > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in  >... >> $ SUBMIT.../AFTER="filespec > : > What does the "+1-" mean .. DELTA or the next occurance? > I think I get it. E > What would the DELTA syntax be for, say, 1hr + 15 minutes from now?  > Thanks again.  > ...   C Actually, just to avoid confusion, "02:02:00+1-" is a "Combination" > time. Look at HELP DCL_TIPS DATE_TIME COMBINATION for details.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:46:23 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 0 Message-ID: <c6075f$mn5$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote: a > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c5p1rs$1tbl$1@news.cybercity.dk>...  > 7 >>"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 >>news:d7791aa1.0404160520.13ddd8f7@posting.google.com...  >>F >>>Yes, but first redesign and rewrite your unix to cleanly catagorize >>>and separate I >>>Kernel Mode from Supervisor Mode and from User Mode. Three modes are a 
 >>>minimumG >>>for a correct ring protection system. The use of three or more rings 
 >>>happens to F >>>be a fully patented methodology by OpenVMS Engineering. OpenVMS has >>>four.H >>>OpenVMS also has 40 groups of higher mode functionality classified as >>>requiring >>>special named privileges. >>M >>There is an important difference between Unix and VMS.  In Unix the command K >>language interpreter is executed in a process separate from the processes N >>executing user programs.  In VMS DCL is executed in the same process as userN >>programs.  VMS needs supervisor mode to separate DCL and DCLs data from userF >>programs.  Unix does not have that need because the command languageI >>interpreter's code and data a protected by being in a separate process. K >>Please tell me why the VMS is way of doing things is more secure than the  >>Unix way.  >  > > > I think a quick review of the cert web site will answer that > question for you ...  B Wrong place to look, remember CERT is off limits to OpenVMS people partularly you Bob.    Regards  Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:29:50 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 0 Message-ID: <c6066e$mcs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <c5oh4n$9i3$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>How about looking here.  >>< >>http://www.sun.com/storage/software/data_mgmt/performance/ >>) >>Incedentally this is not a new product.  >> >>Who is laughing now ?  >  > D >    Folks who needn't limit themselves to fiber-network SANs.  The ? >    pages product you site claims the product to be limited to A >    fiber-network SANs.  That's not what everybody has or needs.  >   = Well how are you going to attach multiple nodes lets say more = than 2 (because hey its what OpenVMS cluster advocates always % talk about) to a shared storage pool.   : How about multi-initator SCSI for grins lets just move the' single point of failure somewhere else.    Or how about an EMC or a HDS ?   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:13:40 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 0 Message-ID: <c60584$m4i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Chuck Chopp wrote: > Andrew Harrison wrote: >  >>>>> J >>>>> I do agree that clustering on every other server platform has been aA >>>>> joke. I still don't see a distributed lock manager in other I >>>>> clustering solutions to allow for concurrent access to file systems = >>>>> from multiple clustered nodes.  The most popular of the B >>>>> Windows/NetWare/Linux clustering solutions provide more of a@ >>>>> fail-over rather than a loosely-coupled type of clusteringH >>>>> environment.  I laugh everytime I see one of those other operating= >>>>> systems being touted as having clustering capabilities.  >>>>>  >>>>& >>>> Well you haven't looked very far. >>>> >>>> How about looking here. >>>>? >>>> http://www.sun.com/storage/software/data_mgmt/performance/  >>>>, >>>> Incedentally this is not a new product. >>>> >>>> Who is laughing now ? >>>> >>>  >>> D >>> He still is laughing.  Like he said, he found the others a joke. >>>  >>> ( >> I think you need to re read his post. >>A >> He said he didn't find anything that allowed concurrent access 0 >> to filesystems from multiple clustered nodes. >>< >> He has now been shown one and his laughing days are over. >>: >> Unless you think he has actually tried QFS ! do you ??? >>
 >> Regards >> Andrew Harrison >> >  > + > Sun StorEdge Performance Suite Software -  > I >  From what I see, it is a storage system add-on via an additional file  E > system that can be installed, not a true fully-featured clustering  J > solution that is an integral part of the operating system.  It is aimed K > at SAN and NAS storage, but does it also allow for concurrent read/write  G > access from multiple cluster nodes regardless of when the storage is  H > locally attached to a subset of the cluster nodes where each node has 3 > multiple redundant physical paths to the storage?  >   > So it met the requirement as originally stated in you posting.  H > I don't see it as being functionally equivalent to OpenVMS Clustering I > technology.  Perhaps I simply set too high a standard when it comes to  I > my expectations of what a "clustering solution" provides in the way of  J > features and functionality.  I spent so many years working with OpenVMS K > Clustering that now I'm spoiled.  When I refer to a cluster, I'm talking  J > about a loosely-coupled configuration where multiple nodes all boot the D > same operating system and coordinate access to all shared cluster E > resources via a distributed lock manager.  Furthermore, all of the  I > coordinated access to resources is integrated as part of the operating  K > system such that there are absolutely no differences in how applications  K > are coded in order for them to run on either a standalone node or on one  I > or more nodes in a cluster.  This includes not needing to migrate data  J > onto special volumes that run a special file system.  Other than having I > to enable MSCP serving of disks, there's nothing else that needs to be  I > done for a cluster member to serve out locally attached disks to other  I > cluster members.  Likewise, cluster nodes with multiple physical paths  K > to the disks will coordinate their access via those physical paths while  G > simultaneously coordinating with other cluster nodes that access the  0 > disks via network-based cluster interconnects. >   D However even this claim is untrue in for OpenVMS. If you want to runA Oracle (not RDB) on an OpenVMS cluster with 2 nodes accessing one G physical shared DBMS then you need a DBMS specifically coded to support 1 this (9i RAC) and not the single node version 9i.    > J > As for lumping Sun in at the start of the thread... it was just to "get H > your goat"... and it did.  I hadn't seen you posting much here lately F > and figured that you'd bark most ferociously if a little flame bait D > popped up on your radar screens.  You took it hook, line & sinker. >   ? It didn't get my goat at all, the OpenVMS users perception that D there are no multi writer multi reader cluster filesystems available@ for UNIX etc is a standard and long running error. I have simply? corrected your mistake, don't let it upset you unless you count 9 being in the same boat as Rob Young as being a bad thing.    Regards  Andrew Harrison  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:43:49 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 0 Message-ID: <c6070m$mn5$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Nigel Barker wrote: G > On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:14:31 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >>Chuck Chopp wrote:> >>Why would we also spend loads of money developing StarOffice >  > L > Should't that be 'spend loads of money purchasing the application from theR > original German developers then spend more spiffing it up into a product that we > can make money out of'?  >   = You seem to have forgotten the bit about donating all of that  IP to OpenOffice.org.   ; Let me know when you can find a donation of that level made " by HP to the OpenSource community. > ? >>HP for example talks a wonderfull talk about Linux but really A >>only provides commodity platforms to run Linux and what exactly $ >>is the incremental value in that.  >  > O > Glad to see that you finally acknowledge Itanium as a commodity platform. Not R > many other sources for big honking SMP Linux machines (if that's what you want). >   8 You forgot the "and don't say porting to Itanium because0 even Linus is rather ambivilent about that one."  / But even then your claim isn't true because IBM , do provide large SMP Linux boxes with not an1 Itanium processor in sight and if their marketing - collateral is true then they are being a tiny " bit more sucessfull at it than HP.  / Not only that but IBM even give you a choice of  architectures.  0 I wonder how many times I will need to encourage2 you to raise the standard of your posts, lets hope
 not too many.   0 The challenge still stands, explain exactly what3 HP does for the OpenSource community except provide / platforms which I could go to IBM, Dell etc for  if HP vanished tommorow.   Regards  Andrew HArrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:26:18 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 0 Message-ID: <c60gha$pql$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:     G > HP is selling and supporting Linux servers, that is a very good thing H > for HP _and_ Linux. IBM has also done lots of good thing for Linux andH > Sun has done good things for OpenSource and are beginning to make good > things for Linux.   = Ask yourself this, what would be the impact on the OpenSource ; community if HP all its products, all its engineers and all ! its IP simply vanished tommorow ?   : The answer is basically none, Dell, IBM, Fujitsu etc would< quickly fill the hole left in the platform market, SGI would< continue doing Linux Kernel development for Itanium and that would be it.  8 So in reality OpenSource is much more important to HP as; a market than HP is to OpenSource and thats because despite 8 the Linux retoric HP have done virtually nothing of note9 for the Linux community except to provide platforms which $ HP do because it generates revenues.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 07:39:01 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 3 Message-ID: <xjaGKDhFHQTe@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <c6066e$mcs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  ? > Well how are you going to attach multiple nodes lets say more ? > than 2 (because hey its what OpenVMS cluster advocates always ' > talk about) to a shared storage pool.   B    Since VMS has been doing this for decades let's consider a few:  
    MASSBUS    CI     DSSI     SCSI     Fiberchannel   E    So, OK, I think the SCSI stuff is limitted to 2 and I know MASSBUS C    was limitted to 2.  It still means you can take down either node B    without engaging any failover steps, all the other nodes in theE    cluster just keep going.  That's the point of multiple node access F    the to physical drive, which Windows and traditional NFS based UNIX    "clusters" can't do.   G    Yes, you can have lots of systems connected to the star coupler on a ;    single CI.  And you can have 3 systems on a single DSSI.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 12:01:54 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 3 Message-ID: <C2UI02W3t0X$@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <c60obf$shi$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > : > As usual when stripped down your point doesn't look that > compelling does it.   D    The point of contention is what technology exists other than SAN.!    The reality is it does exists.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 07:18:14 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: LYNX, character sets, DECterm$ Message-ID: <c5vufm$4mb$1@online.de>  I Is anyone here familiar with LYNX and its handling of character sets (on   VMS, displayed on DECterm).   B What is puzzling me is the following: I thought I would change theG character set a page is served in from iso-8859-1 to iso-8859-15, since F the latter includes the EUR sign.  As expected, I get  (compose-x-o),E the "currency symbol" in older browsers and displayed in EDT, but get F EUR with newer browsers (presumably, some newer browsers would displayG the Euro symbol instead of EUR if the font were available).  However, I > notice that in these newer browsers the character set is still@ iso-8859-1 and not iso-8859-15, as it "should" be, based on the E character set the page is coded in.  If I change this by hand in the  D browser (LYNX, but also Mozilla), then I get  instead of EUR again.  I (On a related note, why does EDT, with some symbols, display them as the  F corresponding symbol and sometimes as <XX> where XX is the hex value?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:29:46 -0400 ' From: John Sauter <J_Sauter@Empire.Net> * Subject: Re: LYNX, character sets, DECterm8 Message-ID: <94a780d5ugju19c5s7r0q1jitu027holq8@4ax.com>  ! Phillip Helbig wrote (excerpted):   E (On a related note, why does EDT, with some symbols, display them as  C the corresponding symbol and sometimes as <XX> where XX is the hex   value?)    John Sauter responded:  A If EDT doesn't think your terminal can display a character in the F buffer, it shows the character as <something>.  For control charactersE it puts the name of the control character in <>.  For characters that ? were unknown at the time EDT was written, it puts the hex value  in <>.  8 These "fat characters" make the screen updater much more7 complex, particularly in Notruncate mode.  When TPU was 8 being developed, I recommended that they omit Notruncate! mode to avoid these complexities. %     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 00:31:00 -0700! From: bishnoi@hotmail.com (rb123) * Subject: Need help on gcc/gnv setup on VMS= Message-ID: <1d4dd243.0404182331.34a02eec@posting.google.com>    Hi,   C I'm a novice on VMS. While compiling a very simple C file using gcc 	 (while in ( bash, both gcc and bash part of GNV fromE http://h71000.www7.hp.com/OpenSource/opensource.html#gnv) I'm getting  thisC error. Would really appreciate if somebody can point me to possible  issues? . It builds fines with native C compiler on VMS.I -------------------------------------------------------------------------  bash$ gcc ./z.c ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual  address=5E5E5E5E5E5E5E5E, PC=5 E5E5E5E5E5E5E5E, PS=0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows C   image    module    routine             line      rel PC            abs PC>                                             0 0000000000000000 5E5E5E5E5E5E5E5EF  CC  CC  main                                                ?                ?>  CC  CC  __main                             0 000000000000006C 000000000003006C>  CC                                         0 00000000000280DC 00000000000380DC>                                             0 FFFFFFFF8026BE94 FFFFFFFF8026BE94+ %LINK-F-READERR, error reading SYS$INPUT:.; 7 -RMS-W-RTB, 285 byte record too large for user's buffer B %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored+ %LINK-F-READERR, error reading SYS$INPUT:.; 7 -RMS-W-RTB, 293 byte record too large for user's buffer B %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored+ %LINK-F-READERR, error reading SYS$INPUT:.; 7 -RMS-W-RTB, 165 byte record too large for user's buffer B %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored %LINK-F-OPENIN, error opening < GNU:[DEF^=^(_POSIX_EXIT^)]OBJECT^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^3 ^^^^^[^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^]Z.O; as input  -RMS-E-DNF, directory not found " -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such fileB %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored %LINK-F-OPENIN, error opening < GNU:[DEF^=^(_POSIX_EXIT^)]OBJECT^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^[^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^]Z.O; as input  ...  ...   
 bash$ cat z.c  #include <stdio.h>   void main()  {    printf("Hello");	  exit(0);  } I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 07:35:57 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb), Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 workstation timing?= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0404190635.1a6a1cfa@posting.google.com>   W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<xOGdnfOPaONuCR_dRVn-sA@igs.net>... > > "Rob Brooks" <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message) > news:baWWUXlhEFIF@cuebid.zko.dec.com... F > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > > G > > > Maybe hp's apathy toward VMS is finally getting the better of me.  > > H > > If you come to the technical boot camp, I suspect your opinion about0 > > our commitment toward VMS might change . . . >  > M > Why? Is HP going to be launching a $40 million OpenVMS advertising campaign  > there? > M > Engineering comittment has never been in question, though in truth, funding K > for engineering of VMS has in recent years been below what is required to L > ensure that many features were added on a more timely basis than they have > been.  > ? > The big issue has always been advertising & marketing of VMS.  > L > Just because Ford & Chrysler advertise their products doesn't stop GM fromN > advertising theirs...in case the analog escapes some, read Microsoft, Linux, > & OpenVMS. > H > And to put it into a different sort of perspective, I quote from  "Dr.L > Strangelove or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bomb" (page 99 > in my copy), > L > ' There is only one thing I don't understand, Mister Ambassador. The wholeK > point of the Doomsday Machine is lost if you keep it a secret. Why didn't  > you tell the world?"  A Truly one of the funniest (if not THE funniest) black comedy ever  made.   E Anybody who is fond of quoting "Dr. Strangelove" is definitely warped ) in some of the same directions that I am.   E And Peter Sellers' one-sided phone conversations on the Red Phone are @ as good as anything that Bob Newhart or Shelley Berman ever did.  @    "Gentlemen!  You can't fight in here!  This is the WAR room!"   "John",   @ Please contact me offline.  There are things we need to discuss.   WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:31:24 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>A Subject: Re: OSI Application Developer's Toolkit Files on an Open - Message-ID: <40838E5C.7424.966300E@localhost>   H > I need to find a library for a specific (home made) developpement made@ > under Vax VMS 5.5. The name of  the library is Ossber.olb (and > asn1code.h and asn1util.h).  > * > The only ref. I can find on the web is : > F > http://www.sysworks.com.au/disk$vaxdocsep952/decw$book/dllzaaa2.p37. > de cw$book  C This piece of DECnet is now known as "DECnet-Plus".  I would expect D that the documentation would be in the standard documentation off of& www.hp.com/go/openvms .  Or maybe not.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA D Preferred address:  stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:06:10 +0200  From: "Pbo" <me@home.invalid> I Subject: OSI Application Developer's Toolkit Files on an OpenVMS System ? & Message-ID: <4083a3ea$1@news.euriware>  
     Hello,  J     I need to find a library for a specific (home made) developpement madeJ under Vax VMS 5.5. The name of  the library is Ossber.olb (and  asn1code.h and asn1util.h).  ( The only ref. I can find on the web is :  M http://www.sysworks.com.au/disk$vaxdocsep952/decw$book/dllzaaa2.p37.decw$book   G I need to have this library for porting the application under Alpha VMS  7.3-2 & Decnet/OSI 7.3-2.   L Anybody knows if the OSI SDK for OpenVMS 7.3-2 exists ? any other solution ?   Thx    Philippe   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 07:48:13 -0700' From: beth.seefelt@tetleyusa.com (Beth) & Subject: Pathworks and Windows 2003 DC= Message-ID: <3cdb9fbc.0404190648.702b21f3@posting.google.com>    Hi,   C I'm running Pathworks Advanced Server 7.3A on Alpha Openvms 7.2-2.  E The environment is a native mode Windows 2000 domain and the Alpha is E a member server.  We use file share and external authentication.  The E sys admins are planning to upgrade the DC that is the PDC emulator to F Windows 2003.  Does anyone know if this is going to cause problems for? me?  Will my users still be able to authentication with the PDC 	 emulator?    Thx.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 05:28:19 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)# Subject: Re: PCanywhere and VAX VMS = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404190428.546c5f41@posting.google.com>   e glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote in message news:<dhIgc.24820$yD1.59289@attbi_s54>...  > Hans Vlems wrote:  >  > (snip regarding PCanywhere)  > P > > There's no reason it shouldn't work. I used that setup a couple of years agoL > > to solve a queue problem on a VAX. I used PCanywhere to connect to an NTO > > system and ran the VT320 emulator that comes (came?) with Pathworks. The NT 1 > > system used LAT to connect to the VAX though. P > > Could it be that the PC that runs the PCanywhere server is confused, IP wise > > that is?P > > The VAX obviously runs LAT. Even if it isn't running yet, LAT may be startedE > > with @sys$startup:lat$startup and live with the default settings. ; > > Run Powertem over LAT (or DECnet) and see what happens.  > E > How about a VNC server for VMS?  That would be nice, though I don't   > believe that it has been done.    I What the user really want with PC Anyware ? Monitor the users sessions ? 3 He/she should use a product like RAXCOs Control !     Regards    FC   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 09:04:05 -0700% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) # Subject: Re: PCanywhere and VAX VMS = Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0404190804.44ef3f97@posting.google.com>    "Dominic Olivastro" <DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com> wrote in message news:<32b02$4080351d$44a5e110$18043@msgid.meganewsservers.com>... G > Does anyone have any experience with PCAnywhere on a computer that is  > connected to VAX VMS?  >  > Here is our setup:C > 1.  Several PC's connected via Ethernet to each other and the VAX L > 2.  The VAX is running Pathworks server and the PC's are running PathworksG > client software.  The PC's often use PowerTerm to connect to the VAX. 8 > 3.  A remote computer for an employee working at home.M > 4.  One PC at work is running PCAnywhere (the host) and the remote computer I > is running PCAnywhere (the client).  The remote computer calls up via a  > modem. >  > Here is what we found:= > 1.  The remote computer can access the host via PCAnywhere. M > 2.  The remote can run any software on the host (eg, Excel, Word, homegrown  > software, etc)M > 3.  The remote can NOT run PowerTerm, the terminal emulator that comes with 4 > Pathworks and allows the user to log into the VAX. >   A Well, first of all, the remote computer does not run any of these > applications. The remote computer runs PCAnywhere-Client whichC connects to PCAnywhere-Host. The computer running PCA-Host runs the E application and sends screen output and reads key/mouse input to/from  the remote PCAnywhere.  ? SO, can the computer which normally runs PCA-Host run PowerTerm > locally and connect to the VAX? If you can sit at the PCA-HostF computer and connect to the VAX when PCA-Host is not running, but whenC you run Host you can't connect, then that Host PC has a resource or A configuration problem. More memory maybe? Too many app's running?  Wrong settings in PCA-Host?   D If you can't connect locally from the host to the VAX, then fix that problem.    -Doug   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:42:27 +0200 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl># Subject: Re: PCanywhere and VAX VMS 9 Message-ID: <c60vlg$6mlch$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   ? "glen herrmannsfeldt" <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> schreef in bericht ' news:dhIgc.24820$yD1.59289@attbi_s54...  > Hans Vlems wrote:  >  > (snip regarding PCanywhere)  > L > > There's no reason it shouldn't work. I used that setup a couple of years ago L > > to solve a queue problem on a VAX. I used PCanywhere to connect to an NTL > > system and ran the VT320 emulator that comes (came?) with Pathworks. The NT1 > > system used LAT to connect to the VAX though. K > > Could it be that the PC that runs the PCanywhere server is confused, IP  wise > > that is?H > > The VAX obviously runs LAT. Even if it isn't running yet, LAT may be started E > > with @sys$startup:lat$startup and live with the default settings. ; > > Run Powertem over LAT (or DECnet) and see what happens.  > E > How about a VNC server for VMS?  That would be nice, though I don't   > believe that it has been done. > 	 > -- glen  > G There's a VNC client for VMS. Looking at a Windows screen while sitting J behind an ancient VAXstation with a 19" monitor is weird enough for me :-)L The other way around would be nice though but Hunter Goatley didn't have any& plans when I asked him, two years ago.   Hans   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:39:24 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)# Subject: Re: PCanywhere and VAX VMS . Message-ID: <c612sc$po8$4@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Dominic Olivastro" <DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com> writes in article <d8b06$40805125$44a5e110$19797@msgid.meganewsservers.com> dated Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:45:18 -0400: 4 >"Tom Crabtree" <tccrab@sunset.net> wrote in message' >news:c5pefc01hfe@enews3.newsguy.com... J >> > Does anyone have any experience with PCAnywhere on a computer that is >> > connected to VAX VMS?? >> I've got a similar setup, but with Alpha's instead of VAX's.  >  >> >K >> > 3.  The remote can NOT run PowerTerm, the terminal emulator that comes  >with 7 >> > Pathworks and allows the user to log into the VAX. H >> We use Hummingbird Exceed, which works just fine for us, but you will* >> need to have TCP/IP running on the VAX.  >> Why is PowerTerm not working? > J >When the client computer tries to run PowerTerm on the host, the client'sK >connection to the host just dies, and the user is forced to call-up again. D >I've never heard of Hummingbird Exceed, and I don't want to get new0 >software.  Is anyone using PCAnywhere on a VAX.  I This sounds vaguely like a license problem.  Does a Pathworks license get L assigned to each dial-in PC?  If so, does PowerTerm require use of that sameL license?  Even though it's a single user, Pathworks is going to see the homeL and office PCs as two separate clients.  Make sure you have enough licenses, quotas, etc. to handle that.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 01:15:02 -0700# From: rules@telia.com (Esa Ryh?nen)  Subject: RWINS= Message-ID: <101c337d.0404190015.661dca84@posting.google.com>   ; I have a process (running a Java app) stuck in RWINS state. E I can't stop the process with STOP PROC/ID=xxxx and need to reboot to0 get rid of the process. 8 Anybody know how to stop a process stuck in RWINS state?   Regards    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 07:48:04 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: stop processs3 Message-ID: <wA3IqUGr3CtU@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  e In article <pkj380pa1dp6dqe2vstt0t8cv6km0c2pac@4ax.com>, tutor <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com> writes:l7 > Haven't tried to be a system admin in over 10 years.  5 > Its amazing the "simple" things I have forgotten!!!o >  > % > Need to know how to stop a process.  > 6 > stop process/id= xxxx does not work. not authorized.4 > went into sys$system:authorize and I have syspriv. > 1 > even tried set proces/priv=bypass (not allowed)   B    sysprv and bypass are only applicable to files.  You need world0    privilege to affect other people's processes.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 05:49:00 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)o Subject: Re: stop process = Message-ID: <a98cd882.0404190449.23c41f18@posting.google.com>g  j tutor <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:<r8n6809162nc0cslcn6q5mhluojpdomoil@4ax.com>... > Found the answer. G >    once I had privs to do a   $ set uic [owner/process to be stopped]k2 >    the next part was easy:    $ stop process/id= >  > Thanks again, all. > J. > , > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:40:38 -0500, wrote: >  > >John Morrison wrote:e > >> [snip]oM > >>     I have never found the VMS help files to be anything other than both-Q > >> helpful _and_ comprehensive! However, it is a long time since I have had thesK > >> pleasure (sic!) of managing a VMS system. I hope that what I have justr* > >> written has the following properties: > >> s  > >>     (i)  it is correct; and > >>     (ii) it helps!s > >oH > >To help keep your memory from going too stale too soon, here are some > >guidelines: > > I > >Privileges like BYPASS, SYSPRV and GRPPRV refer to the protection mask H > >of an object such as a file, a queue, a logical name table, a device, > >etc.i > >,G > >Privileges like SYSNAM and GRPNAM refer specifically to logical namee! > >tables. BYPASS overrides both.t > >oG > >Privileges GROUP and WORLD refer to processes. BYPASS has no meaningh > >here. > >nG > >One that trips a lotta folks up is EXQUOTA. It refers exclusively toaF > >exceeding disk quotas, and is meaningless in the context of process1 > >resource quotas like BIOLM, DIOLM, BYTLM, etc.  > >u5 > >There's a fair few more, but those are very basic.n  D You may have found a solution, but it seems to me that it is not the most sensible one.  E For SET UIC you need CMKRNL privilege. As far as I have seen, none ofe- the answers to your question mentions CMKRNL.f  B Most do mention WORLD, wich allows you to stop any process without having to do a SET UIC.c   Regards,  	 Bart Zornc   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 10:15:34 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 6 Subject: Re: Tape Replicating Hardware and/or Software3 Message-ID: <Ij4gW+TVw+Au@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  Z In article <00A30762.5C79F072.3@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:   <talking about Tapesys>r  P > Yes, this is an embedded product called CMP (though also referred to as TSHAD,P > for tape shadowing) that is included with tapesys.  It is a virtual tape driveO > that fans out i/o operations to 2 or more real tape drives at the QIO level. NO > It is automatically activated by using "copies == <number of copies to make>"f9 > in the .sbk file, where the number is greater than 1.  n  A So does a bad write (requiring a backup to write the block again) E on a single drive cause the block to be written again on all drives ?s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:14:47 -0600D( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>6 Subject: Re: Tape Replicating Hardware and/or Software0 Message-ID: <00A30987.FCFDD3E3.11@tachysoft.com>  . >From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms7 >Subject: Re: Tape Replicating Hardware and/or Softwaret! >Date: 19 Apr 2004 10:15:34 -06001    [ >In article <00A30762.5C79F072.3@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:" >  ><talking about Tapesys> >aQ >> Yes, this is an embedded product called CMP (though also referred to as TSHAD,nQ >> for tape shadowing) that is included with tapesys.  It is a virtual tape drive-P >> that fans out i/o operations to 2 or more real tape drives at the QIO level. P >> It is automatically activated by using "copies == <number of copies to make>": >> in the .sbk file, where the number is greater than 1.   > B >So does a bad write (requiring a backup to write the block again)F >on a single drive cause the block to be written again on all drives ?    K Yes.  The operations are done in lock step and vms backup sees only the oneeL virtual device, so if one drive gets an error they all do.  tshad checks theO iosb for each of the physical drive operations, and if *any* of them fail, thispK code is returned for the virtual operation.  Yes, this causes a unnecessaryrO rewrite on the drive(s) that didn't have the error.  That wastes tape, but doesr* not affect the integrity of the backup(s).  O If more than one drive has an error, then the most severe is returned.  Say you N have three drives.  Drive 1 does a sucessful write, drive 2 gets a recoverableK write error, drive 3 gets fatal controller error.  The fatal error would be.2 returned and the entire backup would be aborted.    L In the case of tape of different lengths, common back in the open reel days,M but not in the modern era of cartridge drives, it would not be a surprise foriO the drive with the shortest tape to get end-of-tape by itself, while the others K got a normal return code for the write.  In this case, the endoftape returncN code would be propogated to the virtual operation, just as with any error.  SoK the backup would go to the next tape, even though not all of the drives hadeN actually reached the end.  For this reason, we recommend customers using tshadK utilitize the LENGTH field in the TS database record to ensure that all the M tapes in a shadowed backup are the same length.  Again, mainly a concern with4M open reels, not DLT.  In this case you would be matching up type (3, 3XT, 4),o2 density and compression, not physical tape length.   WaynesO ===============================================================================hN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   eO ===============================================================================aP Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:50:14 GMTn6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitablet= Message-ID: <aWPgc.23018$6m4.829533@twister.southeast.rr.com>   ! > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    Are you in the French Riviera?   Kent   -- Kenneth Farmer <>< OpenVMS.orgs    . "Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message2 news:9oi180l5ije1cifbh9iinfod75njng18d9@4ax.com...5 > On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:18:02 +0100, Andrew Harrison 1 > <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> wrote:- >- >-H > >Donations range from whole office suites OpenOffice, calendaring, webH > >browser components, bits of Apache, NFS, parts of Gnome and EvolutionI > >Cryptography, libraries, API's NetBeans etc etc. Plus the availabilitysJ > >of Java through Sun's Community Source License which OpenSource puristsC > >may not like but sure has resulted in a lot of Linux boxes being I > >able to run apps that they would have no chance of doing so otherwise.  >>K > Andrew how could you forget to mention OpenVMS? Virtually everything that  youmI > mention above is available on OpenVMS & has been for some years. Not toi mentioneL > all the other completely unencumbered Open Source software that originates form > non-corporate sources. >m > Thank you Sun. >m > -- > Nigel Barker! > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 07:50:25 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler).8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <1ThDebXEsMLu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   } In article <IsScnR12opsidx_dSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk>, "Alistair Burnett" <alistair.burnett@realitysolutions.no.spam.co.uk> writes:j > H > I am attempting to replace several old VT420 terminals with PC's + run > Windows XP; > and use Hyperterminal to communicate with our VMS server.m > 	 > Issues:e > N > (1) The VT420 terminals use serial comms to connect to the server. I want to > use TCP/IP7 > (2) How do I find / set up the ip address on OpenVMS?sI > (3) Will open VMS support a telnet session via TCP/IP from a Window PC? L > (4) Do I need additional software - Emulators for PC / TCP/IP services for
 > openVMS?B >        [I have heard of Pathworks - but too expensive + too much > functionality] > = > (5) Any other advise in connecting Windows PC's to OpenVMS.d >   H    What you need is an IP stack on VMS.  What you won't get is happy endH    users.  Some VT emulations on Windows are better than others, but all     are far below using real VTs.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:23:17 -0400e2 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov>8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <F9Sgc.158$Ny6.605@mencken.net.nih.gov>   J "Alistair Burnett" <alistair.burnett@realitysolutions.no.spam.co.uk> wrote5 in message news:IsScnR12opsidx_dSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk...f > H > I am attempting to replace several old VT420 terminals with PC's + runH > Windows XP and use Hyperterminal to communicate with our VMS server...  L Forget Hyperterminal!  Last time I checked there was no way to translate theC backspace key into a delete key, among numerous other shortcomings.   K > (1) The VT420 terminals use serial comms to connect to the server. I wantr to > use TCP/IP  K Run don't walk to http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.html andeL download the port of xterm to Windows, called TeraTerm Pro.  Fast, excellentE emulation including special graphic characters and reasonable defaultc keyboardF mapping set up to mimic the VT420 layout as best it can.  It even does	 Tektronixa	 graphics!e   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 08:26:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t+ Subject: Re: VMS Security checking software 3 Message-ID: <PlnsSI1PkppH@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  g In article <c53ed6$2na0jn$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:e > Paul Sture wrote:c  K >> By all means try the same, but if you want something VMS specific, have e >> a look at PointSecure.  >> o > G > Ah. It seems that PointSecure is a Windows utility, which may not be o > what you want.   We don't all have that problem.n  B 	http://www.ljk.com describes LJK/Security, which does cost money.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:24:19 -0400l# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e1 Subject: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's costd, Message-ID: <Uq-dnRRP1JOEfB7dRVn-sQ@igs.net>  F http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/egYw0GMMYy0G6p0CUFe0AD   YMMV   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:58:40 +0200d* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>5 Subject: Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's costc9 Message-ID: <c60svh$6k0a8$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>d   John Smith wrote:IH > http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/egYw0GMMYy0G6p0CUFe0AD >  > YMMV >   D Interesting given my experience with Linux. Back with SuSE 7.n, the G networking was not only a pain to configure, but when I added an extra 4H NIC (identical), it wouldn't see both. Solution: get a couple of new el E cheapo NICs, wnd they coexisted happily. I was quite happy with that u1 distribution once I'd got it configured properly.n  I I finally upgraded to SuSE 9.0 last year, and that was a mistake. On one  I PC, the graphics came out so tiny they were unreadable, and didn't offer mI the means to change the resolution. On the PC with twin NICs, I couldn't mG get either to talk, so I was off to buy another cheap NIC. On that PC, nE it would often "lose" both sound and randomly start interpreting the e+ keyboard as German instead of Swiss German.a  A I also found the SuSE 9.0 installation somewhat too dumbed down. eG Whenever I tried to get into "expert mode" it really tried to dissuade h me from doing so.o  E OK, I could no doubt have coaxed them both into life eventually, but fB once I'd got OpenOffice running on my Mac, I simply lost interest.   YMMV etc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:08:29 +0200i, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>5 Subject: Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost 9 Message-ID: <c6116a$5u8dh$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>h  9 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> schreef in berichtt3 news:c60svh$6k0a8$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de...n > John Smith wrote: J > > http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/egYw0GMMYy0G6p0CUFe0AD > >s > > YMMV > >t >uE > Interesting given my experience with Linux. Back with SuSE 7.n, thehH > networking was not only a pain to configure, but when I added an extraI > NIC (identical), it wouldn't see both. Solution: get a couple of new eleF > cheapo NICs, wnd they coexisted happily. I was quite happy with that3 > distribution once I'd got it configured properly.  >lJ > I finally upgraded to SuSE 9.0 last year, and that was a mistake. On oneJ > PC, the graphics came out so tiny they were unreadable, and didn't offerJ > the means to change the resolution. On the PC with twin NICs, I couldn'tH > get either to talk, so I was off to buy another cheap NIC. On that PC,F > it would often "lose" both sound and randomly start interpreting the- > keyboard as German instead of Swiss German.q >@B > I also found the SuSE 9.0 installation somewhat too dumbed down.H > Whenever I tried to get into "expert mode" it really tried to dissuade > me from doing so.d > F > OK, I could no doubt have coaxed them both into life eventually, butD > once I'd got OpenOffice running on my Mac, I simply lost interest. >t
 > YMMV etc > J On a similar note: I'd been running RedHat 7.1 quite wel on a PC, standardA configuration. Even Windows2000 installs without a problem on it.rB The Audigy soundcard was not supported but that did not bother me.> RedHat 8 did support the soundcard but messed up the graphics.J RedHat 9 offered proper graphics (KDE) but the soundcard no longer worked.+ After that I gave the diskspace to Windows.k  K Yesterday I upgraded another PC from RedHat 7.2 to 9. KDE lost all contentsvK in the toolbar, all it shows are cog icons. I've got several books on Linuxl and need/ them all, often and not always finding answers.aJ Linux is a great operating system if you happen to like building them. Not sure at what3 point in time they should allow users on it though.b   Hans   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 12:03:57 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c5 Subject: Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's costn3 Message-ID: <jbLKCZ3aR6d3@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  f In article <c60svh$6k0a8$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: > John Smith wrote:rI >> http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/egYw0GMMYy0G6p0CUFe0ADS >> b >> YMMV  >> f > F > Interesting given my experience with Linux. Back with SuSE 7.n, the I > networking was not only a pain to configure, but when I added an extra I( > NIC (identical), it wouldn't see both.  F    Odd, I had two NICs working just fine with Linux 0.98 (pre-release)
    kernel.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.217 ************************ccess F    the to physical drive, which Windows and traditional NFS based UNIX    "clusters" can't do.   G    Yes, you can have lots of systems connected to the star coupler on a ;    single CI.  And you can have 3 systems on a singl