1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 20 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 218       Contents: Re: Connect Direct API Re: Delta Time Re: Linking XV for OpenVMS Re: Linking XV for OpenVMS4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... Media Handling Guidelines  Re: Media Handling Guidelines / Re: Need VMS 6.0 distribution (and VMS V5.5 U2) + Need VMS 6.0 distribution (and VMS V5.5 U2) & Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install& Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install# Re: OpenVMS I64 workstation timing? # Re: OpenVMS I64 workstation timing? ) OpenVMS Roadmap and Strategic Plan Update - RE: OpenVMS Roadmap and Strategic Plan Update  Oracle/OpenVMS Opening Re: PCanywhere and VAX VMS Re: Postscript? Suggestions for installing OpenVMS 7.3 for a machine an MV 3400 C Re: Suggestions for installing OpenVMS 7.3 for a machine an MV 3400 C Re: Suggestions for installing OpenVMS 7.3 for a machine an MV 3400 + Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help. 6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable/ Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS  Re: VMS/modem setup help? , Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 12:54:34 -07007 From: nigel.guest@partner.commerzbank.com (Nigel Guest)  Subject: Re: Connect Direct API = Message-ID: <3c577827.0404191154.2993713b@posting.google.com>    Thanks.   @ The reason i dont want to use scripts is because the status infoB returned as to what happened if something goes wrong appears to beD very limited.   With the API's (esp in V3.2) it is possible to get aA handle on most of the info you need, to work out what to do next.   C I have talked to Sterling and they are going to get back to me with @ some examples.  CD is used so widely, i was surprised that thereA werent examples all over the place, but searching the net, yahoo, % google etc, shows nothing.  Very odd.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:22:28 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: Delta Time 1 Message-ID: <UFVgc.3425$os1.951@news.cpqcorp.net>   x In article <Phigc.11813$l75.2457@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> writes:  ? :How would I convert this into delta time instead of absolute.    G   What problem are you seeking to solve?  (Terse questions -- questions E   of one or two lines in particular -- are surprisingly difficult to  E   answer.  Additionally, you might well miss learning about an easier D   or an alternative answer or feature or approach when you ask very G   specific questions.  This is why you will often find me asking "why?" B   -- background information can allow me to provide alternatives.)  C :$ resub= """"+f$cvtime("TOMORROW","ABSOLUTE","DATE")+" 02:02:00"""   G   Based on "resub", it appears you are looking to resubmit a batch job.   H   Instead of a delta time, you could consider use of a combination time.A   In particular, consider using SUBMIT/AFTER="TOMMORROW+02:02:00"   D   As for the string you were using, you can simplify it slightly to:  : $ x = f$cvtime("TOMORROW","ABSOLUTE","DATE") + ":02:02:00" $ sho sym x    X = "20-APR-2004:02:02:00" $   ;   I can recommend a book on Writing DCL Programs, too.  :-)     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:47:20 +0200 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl># Subject: Re: Linking XV for OpenVMS 9 Message-ID: <c61ag5$6tj2h$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   7 "Alder" <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> schreef in bericht & news:u_ngc.43741$dg7.10409@edtnps84... > Craig A. Berry wrote:: > / > > In article <40800c76$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>, 0 > >  "Alder" <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> wrote: > > J > >>It was my feeble attempt to resolve another set of "undefined" symbolsD > >>that I was getting before I added the "/NAMES=(AS_IS,SHORTENED)"F > >>qualifier.  They all related to the third-party imaging libraries:& > >>LibJPEG, LibPNG, and LibTIFF, i.e. > > I > > You need to compile everything, including all the libraries, with the J > > same /NAMES option (or without the option).  If one library or packageD > > requires /NAMES=(AS_IS,SHORTENED), then you have to use that for# > > everything you link against it.  >  > Thanks, Craig. > H > I recompiled one of the imaging libraries, LibTIFF, without the /NAMESI > qualifer.  The other two imaging libraries, LibJPEG and LibPNG, came as C > precompiled binaries in PCSI kits, so I'm not sure which compiler G > options were used.  At any rate, the LibJPEG and LibPNG are no longer J > posing any problems and XV loads them without complaint.  The issue withD > them seemed to be that I had been trying to link against the *.olbG > (static?) versions of these libraries.  Linking to the *.exe versions J > resulted in all their symbols being successfully resolved.  Only LibTIFF > is still causing problems. >  > I ran  > : > $ pipe analyse/image <image> | search sys$pipe "symbol:" > F > on each of the three imaging libraries and noted that the symbols inI > LibJPEG are either all lower-case or all UPPER-CASE with no Mixed-case; I > in LibPNG they are UPPER, lower, and Mixed; and in LibTIFF they are all F > Mixed case.  Since only LibTIFF is causing problems, I'm unsure what > case has to do with it.  > E > I also tried following Richard Brodie's advice and added a few test $ > "#define" statements to xv.h, i.e. >  > #define TIFFClose TIFFCLOSE + > #define TIFFComputeStrip TIFFCOMPUTESTRIP  > D > ...but when I recompiled and linked, these same symbols were still > "undefined". > I > Any other suggestions on how to troubleshoot this sort of problem would  > be greatly appreciated.  > 
 > Regards, >  > Terry   F What would happen if you put them in the .c file that contains main()?   Hans   PSJ My apologies if this is a dumb suggestion, I'm just an ALGOL programmer :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:01:00 -0700 * From: "Alder" <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com># Subject: Re: Linking XV for OpenVMS + Message-ID: <40843e0b$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   7 "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote in message 3 news:c61ag5$6tj2h$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de...  > 9 > "Alder" <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> schreef in bericht ( > news:u_ngc.43741$dg7.10409@edtnps84... > > Craig A. Berry wrote:: > > 1 > > > In article <40800c76$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>, 2 > > >  "Alder" <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> wrote: > > > D > > >>It was my feeble attempt to resolve another set of "undefined" symbols F > > >>that I was getting before I added the "/NAMES=(AS_IS,SHORTENED)"H > > >>qualifier.  They all related to the third-party imaging libraries:( > > >>LibJPEG, LibPNG, and LibTIFF, i.e. > > > G > > > You need to compile everything, including all the libraries, with  the D > > > same /NAMES option (or without the option).  If one library or package F > > > requires /NAMES=(AS_IS,SHORTENED), then you have to use that for% > > > everything you link against it.  > >  > > Thanks, Craig. > > C > > I recompiled one of the imaging libraries, LibTIFF, without the  /NAMESH > > qualifer.  The other two imaging libraries, LibJPEG and LibPNG, came asE > > precompiled binaries in PCSI kits, so I'm not sure which compiler B > > options were used.  At any rate, the LibJPEG and LibPNG are no longerG > > posing any problems and XV loads them without complaint.  The issue  withF > > them seemed to be that I had been trying to link against the *.olb@ > > (static?) versions of these libraries.  Linking to the *.exe versionsD > > resulted in all their symbols being successfully resolved.  Only LibTIFF  > > is still causing problems. > > 	 > > I ran  > > < > > $ pipe analyse/image <image> | search sys$pipe "symbol:" > > H > > on each of the three imaging libraries and noted that the symbols in? > > LibJPEG are either all lower-case or all UPPER-CASE with no  Mixed-case; G > > in LibPNG they are UPPER, lower, and Mixed; and in LibTIFF they are  all H > > Mixed case.  Since only LibTIFF is causing problems, I'm unsure what > > case has to do with it.  > > G > > I also tried following Richard Brodie's advice and added a few test & > > "#define" statements to xv.h, i.e. > >  > > #define TIFFClose TIFFCLOSE - > > #define TIFFComputeStrip TIFFCOMPUTESTRIP  > > F > > ...but when I recompiled and linked, these same symbols were still > > "undefined". > > E > > Any other suggestions on how to troubleshoot this sort of problem  would  > > be greatly appreciated.  > >  > > Regards, > > 	 > > Terry  > H > What would happen if you put them in the .c file that contains main()? >  > Hans >  > PS> > My apologies if this is a dumb suggestion, I'm just an ALGOL
 programmer :)  >  >   - I certainly won't be the judge of that, Hans.   @ I'm not a programmer at all, hence the ignorance and confusion IG displayed about what the hell is going on with the build process.  I've H knocked my head against this one far too long as it is, so I've opted toE build XV with the libraries distributed with it.  They may not be the " newest libraries, but they "work".   Cheers,  Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:39:43 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 0 Message-ID: <c60obf$shi$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <c6066e$mcs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  > ? >>Well how are you going to attach multiple nodes lets say more ? >>than 2 (because hey its what OpenVMS cluster advocates always ' >>talk about) to a shared storage pool.  >  > D >    Since VMS has been doing this for decades let's consider a few: >  >    MASSBUS   Can you buy MASSBUS  >    CI    Can you still buy CI  	 >    DSSI    Can you still buy DSSI  8 I refer you to an answer from an ask the Wizard question  B "OpenVMS software still supports the controllers and DSSI devices,E   but the OpenVMS Wizard would encourage you to contact your hardware E   support provider for service and support details and plans specific D   to the HSD30 and DSSI storage hardware.  (No new DSSI hardware has!   been sold for some years now.)"     	 >    SCSI  >    Fiberchannel  > G >    So, OK, I think the SCSI stuff is limitted to 2 and I know MASSBUS E >    was limitted to 2.  It still means you can take down either node D >    without engaging any failover steps, all the other nodes in theG >    cluster just keep going.  That's the point of multiple node access H >    the to physical drive, which Windows and traditional NFS based UNIX >    "clusters" can't do.  >   = So you entire point seems to be that OpenVMS supports a range : of storage interconnects which are currently obselete plus8 FibreChannel and possibly SCSI (but then SCSI doesn't do< what you want) which you think is good and Sun supports only- supports FibreChannel which you think is bad.   8 As usual when stripped down your point doesn't look that compelling does it.    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:00:14 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 6 Message-ID: <00A309AF.DDC7335E@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <c6070m$mn5$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >Nigel Barker wrote:H >> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:14:31 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy1 >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  >>   >>   >>>Chuck Chopp wrote: ? >>>Why would we also spend loads of money developing StarOffice  >>   >>  M >> Should't that be 'spend loads of money purchasing the application from the S >> original German developers then spend more spiffing it up into a product that we  >> can make money out of'? >>   > > >You seem to have forgotten the bit about donating all of that >IP to OpenOffice.org.   > < >Let me know when you can find a donation of that level made# >by HP to the OpenSource community.   H Anybody who's arguing that HP is a better friend of Open Source than SunJ is deluded or wrong.  Sun has a history since the 80s of donating IP (likeM the NFS protocol, for example) to the public domain, and has indeed put a lot : of man hours and distribution effort into OpenOffice, etc.  H We can argue about motivations, if we like.  Initially, in order to haveI credibility, Sun needed both to interoperate with existing systems (thus, H reselling DECnet for Sun) and to be perceived as a technological leader,@ so it was worth their while to develop and release protocols forH interoperability.  They certainly couldn't undertake to support, eg, NFSG on every platform ought there - they needed people who understood those H platforms to support NFS.  (I'm sure there was also a certain amount of G geek pride and geek public-spiritedness in it, too - let's get our cool F protocol out there and make it standard rather than having to rely on " someone else's brain-damaged one.)  M Nowadays, Sun, to live profitably, needs to sell happy mid-range and high-end L servers, which means they have to keep Microsoft from taking over that spaceN and forcing Sun to retreat ever upward; there just isn't that big a market forO enormous servers (especially when Beowulf lets you do HPTC with loosely-coupled N commodity hardware).  Since Microsoft has managed to leverage dominance of theK desktop into strong encroachment of the departmental server space, Sun must M perforce challenge that dominance of the desktop - not to sell Sparcstations, I but to keep MS from de facto hegemony.  Since MS Office is the thing that O drives Windows OS sales - you have to be compatible with that if your customers J use it or the rest of your organization uses it - Sun's generous purchase,L rework, and donation of StarOffice as OpenOffice is a tactical move aimed atK MS's revenue stream and desktop dominance.  Sun isn't so much interested in M Linux/xBSD technically or as profitable platforms to work with; they just see L them as opportunities to deprive MS of revenue and to promote open standards based desktops and servers.   O So Sun continues to be a good friend to Open Source, and it's not worth arguing O about it.  They're doing it for competitive reasons - but there's nothing wrong 
 with that.  O Meanwhile, HP seems to be under the impression that they can make money selling L desktops and departmental servers running Windows _or_ Linux, so they're notL particularly motivated to do stuff just to mess up Microsoft.  (And, indeed,M seem to have cut the throat of their own OpenMail, which was by all reports a G much-less-sucky drop-in replacement for Exchange, including calendaring M functionality.)  They want to be perceived as a reliable multiplatform vendor O from whom you should buy hardware, services, and supplies, so they need to seem M kinda platform-agnostic - we'll be experts in whatever you want to pay us to   be experts in.  N They can't appear actively hostile to Linux, but they don't see a big ROI from% vigorously supporting it vs. Windows.   4 [All IMHO; it's not like anybody tells me anything.]   -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:56:22 -0700 2 From: "Lee Courtney" <lcourtney@NOSPAM-mvista.com>" Subject: Media Handling Guidelines0 Message-ID: <108815nikvdjg5c@corp.supernews.com>   Hi all,   H I am working with one of the Curator's at the Computer History Museum toJ prepare a training class for volunteers on the proper care and handling ofE museum artifacts. This area is well understood for traditional museum L objects (paintings, paper, glass, etc.), but less so for *physical* handlingK of magnetic or other computer related media. For example, from my mainframe I operator days I knew to only handle reel tapes by the hub, never pinch or L stack them horizontally. This exercise is not focused on preservation of theK information (bits) on the media, there's a separate project addressing that I task, but making sure that a physical object it is not damaged when being  handled.  G I've generated a list of guidelines for media, but would appreciate any G pointers to material discussing handling of magnetic tapes, disc packs, G punched cards, or any other media associated with older systems. If you L should have pointers to information on the web (yes I've already looked, butH may have missed something) or hardcopy you can share, please email me at+ "courtney at computerhistory dot org". TIA.    Cheers,    Lee Courtney	 Volunteer  Computer History Museum    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:45:09 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>& Subject: Re: Media Handling Guidelines. Message-ID: <40843A55.13551.C05F4C5@localhost>  + On 19 Apr 2004 at 9:56, Lee Courtney wrote: H > This exercise is not focused on preservation of the information (bits)D > on the media, there's a separate project addressing that task, butA > making sure that a physical object it is not damaged when being 
 > handled.  C I think you're going to find those tasks in conflict.  Keeping the  B tapes readable requires that they be mounted periodically and run B from one end to the other.  That increases the risk that the tape  will be destroyed.  D Hope the team working on preserving the data is going to keep it on  "modern" media.   
 Good luck!  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:37:54 +0200 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>8 Subject: Re: Need VMS 6.0 distribution (and VMS V5.5 U2)9 Message-ID: <c619ue$6uc0f$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   A "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht * news:108812o1gbkorbc@corp.supernews.com...C > I am contemplating an upgrade of my old V5.5-2 system to V7.3.  I 	 currently I > have complete distributions of VAX/VMS 6.2 and VAX/VMS 7.3.  However, I  needG > VAX/VMS V6.0 in order to get from VAX/VMS V5.5-2 to VAX/VMS V6.2 from  where H > I can jump right to V7.3.  Is there any place that I could download it from?  > C > I have checked Phil's repository at 68.35.167.136 but V6.0 is not 
 available.L > In addition, I would like to get the VMSU2055.% files if possible.  I haveF > the VMS V5.5 and update #1 distributions but I am lacking update #2. >  > TIA, > --   > Roert G. Schaffrath% > mailto:rschaffrath(AT)yahoo(DOT)com  >  > E IIRC V6.1 will also allow you to do that. As it happens I do have the  VAX/VMS V6.1 :-)J It is part of the V6.1 VMS release that contains the two "parity" releases in a CD box, along3 with an Alpha, err AXP, firmware CD. But I digress. K If you're interested in 6.1, let me know and I'll make it available. My ISP  will increase the : upload bandwidth from 128 kbps to 320 kbps anytime soon...   Hans email: hvlems at zonnet dot nl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:54:10 -0400 4 From: "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com>4 Subject: Need VMS 6.0 distribution (and VMS V5.5 U2)0 Message-ID: <108812o1gbkorbc@corp.supernews.com>  K I am contemplating an upgrade of my old V5.5-2 system to V7.3.  I currently L have complete distributions of VAX/VMS 6.2 and VAX/VMS 7.3.  However, I needK VAX/VMS V6.0 in order to get from VAX/VMS V5.5-2 to VAX/VMS V6.2 from where L I can jump right to V7.3.  Is there any place that I could download it from?  L I have checked Phil's repository at 68.35.167.136 but V6.0 is not available.J In addition, I would like to get the VMSU2055.% files if possible.  I haveD the VMS V5.5 and update #1 distributions but I am lacking update #2.   TIA, --   Roert G. Schaffrath# mailto:rschaffrath(AT)yahoo(DOT)com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:30:19 +0200 - From: "Winfried Bergmann" <dummy@empuron.com> / Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install 9 Message-ID: <c60ra9$6orf5$1@ID-170759.news.uni-berlin.de>   J "Michael Moroney" <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag" news:c5cqlm$4fq$1@pcls4.std.com...1 > "J. Fragemann" <jfragemann@hotmail.com> writes:  > J > >Can this in any way be related to the fact that I use a generic toshiba
 > >CD-ROM? > J > It could be.  It used to be that VMS could only use CDROMs with 512 byte6 > sectors, while CDROMs for PCs use 2048 byte sectors.  L Not sure about the Alphas, but in my uVax3100, I have a SCSI CDROM installed with 2048 byteJ sector size. I can boot the VMS Montagar CD up to standalone backup. But II cannot use it from VMS, due to the known problems with the driver. So the 9 firmware of the VAX is able to handle those sector sizes.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:44:44 GMT 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 halts during install - Message-ID: <0TWgc.28864$ru4.27903@attbi_s52>    Winfried Bergmann wrote:   (snip)  N > Not sure about the Alphas, but in my uVax3100, I have a SCSI CDROM installed > with 2048 byteL > sector size. I can boot the VMS Montagar CD up to standalone backup. But IK > cannot use it from VMS, due to the known problems with the driver. So the ; > firmware of the VAX is able to handle those sector sizes.   G I have a supposed 512 byte sector CD-ROM drive (it works for Sun, which G also requires it.) but had a hard time with VAX/VMS.  I had a disk with H NetBSD already installed on it and a 1GB SCSI drive available.  I copiedB the CD image to the 1GB drive, removed the CD drive (only two SCSIC connectors on the cable), and booted that.  The install worked fine , from that, and might be faster than from CD.  A Actually, it was more complicated.  I copied the CD to the NetBSD = disk through gzip, then removed the CD drive and ungzipped it  to the 1GB drive.    -- glen    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:53:40 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 workstation timing?0 Message-ID: <newscache$98gfwh$mfz$1@news.sil.at>  _ In article <baWWUXlhEFIF@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: C >"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  > D >> Maybe hp's apathy toward VMS is finally getting the better of me. > F >If you come to the technical boot camp, I suspect your opinion about - >our commitment toward VMS might change . . .    Why ? Will Carly attend ? @ (Nobody of us is assuming that VMS engineering is apathetically)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:06:00 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 workstation timing?, Message-ID: <cfidnaDRb46TiBndRVn-sA@igs.net>  ? "William Webb" <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in message 7 news:bf98c417.0404190635.1a6a1cfa@posting.google.com... 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( news:<xOGdnfOPaONuCR_dRVn-sA@igs.net>...@ > > "Rob Brooks" <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message+ > > news:baWWUXlhEFIF@cuebid.zko.dec.com... H > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > > > I > > > > Maybe hp's apathy toward VMS is finally getting the better of me.  > > > J > > > If you come to the technical boot camp, I suspect your opinion about2 > > > our commitment toward VMS might change . . . > >  > > F > > Why? Is HP going to be launching a $40 million OpenVMS advertising campaign
 > > there? > > G > > Engineering comittment has never been in question, though in truth,  funding J > > for engineering of VMS has in recent years been below what is required toI > > ensure that many features were added on a more timely basis than they  have	 > > been.  > > A > > The big issue has always been advertising & marketing of VMS.  > > I > > Just because Ford & Chrysler advertise their products doesn't stop GM  fromI > > advertising theirs...in case the analog escapes some, read Microsoft,  Linux, > > & OpenVMS. > > J > > And to put it into a different sort of perspective, I quote from  "Dr.K > > Strangelove or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bomb" (page  99 > > in my copy), > > H > > ' There is only one thing I don't understand, Mister Ambassador. The whole F > > point of the Doomsday Machine is lost if you keep it a secret. Why didn't > > you tell the world?" > C > Truly one of the funniest (if not THE funniest) black comedy ever  > made.  > G > Anybody who is fond of quoting "Dr. Strangelove" is definitely warped + > in some of the same directions that I am.  > G > And Peter Sellers' one-sided phone conversations on the Red Phone are B > as good as anything that Bob Newhart or Shelley Berman ever did. > B >    "Gentlemen!  You can't fight in here!  This is the WAR room!" > 	 > "John",  > B > Please contact me offline.  There are things we need to discuss.    E Check your inbox for the account you used to post your message above.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:57:09 GMT ( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com>2 Subject: OpenVMS Roadmap and Strategic Plan Update2 Message-ID: <9NRgc.3387$381.1478@news.cpqcorp.net>  B HP interactive webcast - OpenVMS Roadmap and Strategic Plan Update 	  april 20, 2004 	 ! Speaker: John Egolf	1:00:00 PM ET  10:00:00 AM PT 6:00:00 PM GMT
 60 minutes   	 	  session abstract:	 	I The webcast will review the OpenVMS plans and roadmaps and show where hp  E is and how they are doing against plan. The intent is to ensure that  G software developers are up to date and current on these roll-out plans  B so partners can plan accordingly to have their products available.   Agenda  4      * Review of OpenVMS Roadmaps and current status$      * Review of packaging / pricing      * ISV Port update/status       * "Are you ready?"   @                 > We need your plans, start / availability dates-                 > What are your dependencies? .                 > How can we help / resources?#                 > How YOU can help!   D The audience will learn about the successes of selected key ISVs in F their porting experiences as well as ensure they are current with the  OpenVMS roll-out plans. 	    	 	  speaker biography:	 	 G John Egolf is currently the OpenVMS Itanium ISV Program Manager within  I the HP OpenVMS Segment Programs organization. For the past two years, he  G has worked with partners and customers to ensure they are aware of the  I new programs and technologies being invested in within the OpenVMS group  F as well as ensure their feedback is factored into the planning of new D releases and new programs. He is also currently responsible for the H OpenVMS Itanium adoption planning for the OpenVMS strategic ISVs in the F Manufacturing, Finance, Telco, Government / Public Sector, and Health C Care vertical industry segments as well as cross industry partners.   I Register at http://www.presentationselect.com/hp/register.asp?EventID=384    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:00:59 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 6 Subject: RE: OpenVMS Roadmap and Strategic Plan Update9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEMPDBAA.tom@kednos.com>    Mark,   C I just tried the test setup and it failed because you don't support E Opera.  Doesn't get more standard then Opera.  I can use IE, but just D wanted to let you know.  Is there supposed to be audio with the test setup?   Tom      -----Original Message-----1   From: Mark Schafer [mailto:mark.schafer@hp.com] &   Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:57 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4   Subject: OpenVMS Roadmap and Strategic Plan Update      D   HP interactive webcast - OpenVMS Roadmap and Strategic Plan Update   	    april 20, 2004   	 #   Speaker: John Egolf	1:00:00 PM ET    10:00:00 AM PT   6:00:00 PM GMT   60 minutes     	 	    session abstract:	 	K   The webcast will review the OpenVMS plans and roadmaps and show where hp  G   is and how they are doing against plan. The intent is to ensure that  I   software developers are up to date and current on these roll-out plans  D   so partners can plan accordingly to have their products available.      Agenda   6        * Review of OpenVMS Roadmaps and current status&        * Review of packaging / pricing        * ISV Port update/status         * "Are you ready?"    B                   > We need your plans, start / availability dates/                   > What are your dependencies? 0                   > How can we help / resources?%                   > How YOU can help!    F   The audience will learn about the successes of selected key ISVs in H   their porting experiences as well as ensure they are current with the    OpenVMS roll-out plans. 	      	 	    speaker biography:	 	 I   John Egolf is currently the OpenVMS Itanium ISV Program Manager within  K   the HP OpenVMS Segment Programs organization. For the past two years, he  I   has worked with partners and customers to ensure they are aware of the  K   new programs and technologies being invested in within the OpenVMS group  H   as well as ensure their feedback is factored into the planning of new F   releases and new programs. He is also currently responsible for the J   OpenVMS Itanium adoption planning for the OpenVMS strategic ISVs in the H   Manufacturing, Finance, Telco, Government / Public Sector, and Health E   Care vertical industry segments as well as cross industry partners.    K   Register at http://www.presentationselect.com/hp/register.asp?EventID=384       --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 14:50:43 -07000 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) Subject: Oracle/OpenVMS Opening = Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0404191350.67dc1d5b@posting.google.com>    For anyone who's interested:  B There is an opening with a very large Healthcare Provider based inA Phoenix, AZ, for an Oracle DBA, with strong OpenVMS admin skills.   @ The PRIME requirement is a deep understanding of ORACLE database@ management upto at least Oracle 8 (on into 9).     The secondary< requirement is familiarity and comfort working in an OpenVMSC environment, currently Version 7.3-1.    We are looking for someone > who already has OpenVMS administrative experience, or at least8 sufficient knowledge and motivation to learn on the job.  D As for ourselves, we are a Large Healthcare Provider (~15 facilitiesB in 9 states) with ~3000 beds.    Our primary application is Cerner= Corporation HNA Version 3.06, currently migrating to Cerner's E Millennium Application(familiarity with this would be a big plus).    B We are in the process of integrating all of our facilities under aB common Suite of Applications (Cerner's Millennium) and our Primary# Data Center is in downtown Phoenix.   A      The size of our enterprise, the applications we run, and the > projects we have scheduled over the coming 3 years, promise an/ exciting time for anyone who likes a challenge.   @      If anyone is interested in this posting, please reply to me? directly with a resume and I will place you in contact with the  appropriate person.e   thanks   Dave Baxter  OpenVMS Systems Managert
 Banner Health  1441 North 12th Street e Phoenix  AZ  85006   (602) 495-4771% e-mail:  dave.baxter@bannerhealth.comy   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:49:44 GMTr0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu># Subject: Re: PCanywhere and VAX VMS6- Message-ID: <IXWgc.28872$ru4.28384@attbi_s52>0   Hans Vlems wrote:S   (snip)	 (I wrote)M  E >>How about a VNC server for VMS?  That would be nice, though I don't   >>believe that it has been done.  I > There's a VNC client for VMS. Looking at a Windows screen while sittingtL > behind an ancient VAXstation with a 19" monitor is weird enough for me :-)N > The other way around would be nice though but Hunter Goatley didn't have any( > plans when I asked him, two years ago.    B The design of VNC, as well as I know, is for clients to be simple,C with all the complicated part in the server.   I have even used thet@ Java client, which some servers will generate if you point a web browser at them.  A I don't have a keyboard or mouse for my VS3100, though.  I could u, probably get the monitor connection to work.   -- glen    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 18:24:19 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)  Subject: Re: Postscript.= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0404191724.4b4411e7@posting.google.com>   k Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<c5oc19$40qr0$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>...c > dooley wrote:to > > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<c5jf2l$2dllu$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>...s >  >F > > I find that installing the ODL on a pc and then using the Windows % > > indexing service works very well.t > B > You mean the FastFind (or do I mean FindFast?) stuff on Windows?/ Yes - I think this is what it was called in NT4t1 Using W2K it is now called the "indexing service"h > K > I always used to disable that because it was so resource hungry in terms -; > of what it gave me, though I never tried it with the ODL.o5 The initial scan to build the index can take a while, % but it seems to perform ok after thatq Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:21:39 GMT>% From: drwho8@att.net (Gregg C Levine)aH Subject: Suggestions for installing OpenVMS 7.3 for a machine an MV 3400C Message-ID: <DpXgc.606$_o3.9862@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>s   Hello from Gregg C LevinewT I've got an MicroVAX 3400 on its way here. I'm not exactly sure if this machine was M one of the many who came with a CD-ROM drive as a natively installed device. rV That being said, I'm wondering if there are other ways to install the contents of the K CD. Please note that even though I am a member of the Hobbyist program for nQ OpenVMS, I am a relative newcomer to this O/S. When it gets here, it will be the  R only specie of VAX here. Incidentally, I will accept off list replies. Or website 	 pointers.a( Gregg C Levine drwho8 atsign att dot net! "This signature was never here." e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:10:21 -0500u/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>$L Subject: Re: Suggestions for installing OpenVMS 7.3 for a machine an MV 34003 Message-ID: <40844E4D.37C94455@applied-synergy.com>r   Gregg C Levine wrote:  >  > Hello from Gregg C Levine-U > I've got an MicroVAX 3400 on its way here. I'm not exactly sure if this machine wastN > one of the many who came with a CD-ROM drive as a natively installed device.W > That being said, I'm wondering if there are other ways to install the contents of thegL > CD. Please note that even though I am a member of the Hobbyist program forR > OpenVMS, I am a relative newcomer to this O/S. When it gets here, it will be theS > only specie of VAX here. Incidentally, I will accept off list replies. Or website  > pointers.D  G Generally, a VAX 3400 did not come with a CDROM.  It would usually havetE a TK50 or TK70 tape drive, either of which can read TK50 installationd tapes.  ? It does have built in Ethernet, so you can install from a CDROM  connected to an Infoserver.   > You could also install a KZQSA board and connect a SCSI CDROM.  F The native disk interface for a 3400 is DSSI.  So you can copy a CDROMH to a DSSI drive on another machine and then move the drive to your 3400.  H Since you don't have another VAX, this may not be an option, but you canF also bring the 3400 up as a satellite member of a cluster and copy theE files over.  You can use an Alpha for this as well as a VAX.  It justa needs to be running VMS.  
 Good luck!  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------n$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com a   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:10:06 -0400.% From: "Chris" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca>rL Subject: Re: Suggestions for installing OpenVMS 7.3 for a machine an MV 34009 Message-ID: <9%Ygc.9296$CO3.448918@news20.bellglobal.com>i  > I've dealt with upgrades to a couple of 3400's over the years.  L Very unlikely that the machine will have a CD-ROM, or even a SCSI interface.L Load device was generally a TK70, and disks were usually 400 Mb RF71's.  YouK might get lucky and find it has RF72's (1 Gb I think), or crap out and findt= RF30's (150Mb iirc), but regardless,  space will be an issue.   J Some additional h'ware can help immensely, and isn't very expensive, if itI can be found.  I have connected a BA350 with an HSD10 to the 3400 via theeJ DSSI port, which gives you the ability to use more (bigger) drives, a SCSII CD-ROM (like an RRD42), or transport data (such as the VMS distro) copiedaL over to a 'portable' RZ28 or 29 brick drive from an Alpha system if you have one available.  J None of this is for the faint-of-heart though, and for my part, a faithfulE 3400 and a 3300 have recently gone to meet their maker for just thesesL reasons -- more trouble than they're worth for the average Hobbyist.  Have aG look around for a MicroVAX 3100, smaller, cheaper, easier to connect up " current h'ware and faster as well.  " just my $.02 (that's 1.5 cents US)  < "Chris Scheers" <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote in message- news:40844E4D.37C94455@applied-synergy.com...4 > Gregg C Levine wrote:A > >  > > Hello from Gregg C LevineuK > > I've got an MicroVAX 3400 on its way here. I'm not exactly sure if thisa machine waslH > > one of the many who came with a CD-ROM drive as a natively installed device.sI > > That being said, I'm wondering if there are other ways to install thee contents of thenJ > > CD. Please note that even though I am a member of the Hobbyist program foreH > > OpenVMS, I am a relative newcomer to this O/S. When it gets here, it will be the J > > only specie of VAX here. Incidentally, I will accept off list replies.
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 > > pointers.s >tI > Generally, a VAX 3400 did not come with a CDROM.  It would usually haveaG > a TK50 or TK70 tape drive, either of which can read TK50 installationa > tapes. >.A > It does have built in Ethernet, so you can install from a CDROM  > connected to an Infoserver.a >/@ > You could also install a KZQSA board and connect a SCSI CDROM. > H > The native disk interface for a 3400 is DSSI.  So you can copy a CDROMJ > to a DSSI drive on another machine and then move the drive to your 3400. >pJ > Since you don't have another VAX, this may not be an option, but you canH > also bring the 3400 up as a satellite member of a cluster and copy theG > files over.  You can use an Alpha for this as well as a VAX.  It justi > needs to be running VMS. >e > Good luck! >NI > -----------------------------------------------------------------------n& > Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. > D > Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com >   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:49:32 GMTu/ From: "Morex Support" <morexsupport@rogers.com>l4 Subject: Re: transfer txt-files to VMS, please help.M Message-ID: <MiUgc.132962$2oI1.60416@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>r  I If the printer exists in the printer folder on the Windows box, set it tol2 print to file, then FTP the saved file to the vax.. "Harry" <noemail@geenmail.nl> wrote in message2 news:894c509pkuq7ife1nk9okve5omtngo9krj@4ax.com... >e > > E > >I suspect that the format you want is an encoded form of the data.t > > 6 > >It could not be BASE64 because the later only uses:C > >ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/  > >f< > >If it were UUENCODE, you'd have a "begin 666" at the top. > >T > > I > >If you are Using FTP, there are FTP servers/clients that automaticallylB > >gunzuip/gzip files if there is a .gz in the rmote or local file
 extension.G > >However, the contents would be "binary" and not printable characters, only.  > >e > > G > >Perhaps if you explained why you need the "gibberish" format on VMS,( instead = > >of the readable text file, we could speculate more on whatm format/features thea8 > >"gibberish" format is and how it was obtained before. >aB > The application on the VMS-system needs the file to send it to a1 > barcode printer. It 's a macro for a printfile.h >e > Harry.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:31:26 +0100vO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable-0 Message-ID: <c60nru$se3$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Nigel Barker wrote: 5 > On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:18:02 +0100, Andrew Harrisono1 > <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> wrote:u >  >  > G >>Donations range from whole office suites OpenOffice, calendaring, weboG >>browser components, bits of Apache, NFS, parts of Gnome and EvolutioneH >>Cryptography, libraries, API's NetBeans etc etc. Plus the availabilityI >>of Java through Sun's Community Source License which OpenSource purists B >>may not like but sure has resulted in a lot of Linux boxes beingH >>able to run apps that they would have no chance of doing so otherwise. >  > O > Andrew how could you forget to mention OpenVMS? Virtually everything that you Q > mention above is available on OpenVMS & has been for some years. Not to mentionoQ > all the other completely unencumbered Open Source software that originates formt > non-corporate sources. >   8 What on earth has your point got to do with donations to OpenSource.   = I know it may be very very confusing but just because OpenVMSe> and OpenSource start with Open does not mean that they are the same thing.   = Or did you think that being able to run OpenSoruce componentsn, somehow meant that you had made a donation ?   > Thank you Sun. > 6 Since i5s rather difficult based on your last point to7 work out what on earth you are talking about or why youa7 thought it was worth mentioning I will take your thankss with a pinch of salt.h   regardsm Andrew Harrisons   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 15:02:05 -0700% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) 8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS= Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0404191402.1edcb4e5@posting.google.com>l  v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<1ThDebXEsMLu@eisner.encompasserve.org>... > In article <IsScnR12opsidx_dSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk>, "Alistair Burnett" <alistair.burnett@realitysolutions.no.spam.co.uk> writes:  > > J > > I am attempting to replace several old VT420 terminals with PC's + run > > Windows XP= > > and use Hyperterminal to communicate with our VMS server.S > >  > > Issues:) > > P > > (1) The VT420 terminals use serial comms to connect to the server. I want to > > use TCP/IP9 > > (2) How do I find / set up the ip address on OpenVMS?sK > > (3) Will open VMS support a telnet session via TCP/IP from a Window PC?.N > > (4) Do I need additional software - Emulators for PC / TCP/IP services for > > openVMS?D > >        [I have heard of Pathworks - but too expensive + too much > > functionality] > > ? > > (5) Any other advise in connecting Windows PC's to OpenVMS.O > >  > ) >    What you need is an IP stack on VMS.o   Yep,  " >  What you won't get is happy endJ >    users.  Some VT emulations on Windows are better than others, but all" >    are far below using real VTs.  C Oh, well, my experience is different. We mostly use Reflection, buthB even KEA and PowerTerm will paint screens faster than a real VT --D especially a VT420. When running in a "menu controlled" environment,C the difference is striking. And, the emulators have a memory buffern: with a scroll bar that allows one to see previous screens.  ? Its been a while, but ISTR Kermit for Windows did most of thesei things, too.  B Reflection also has "Hot Spot" definitions and a Visual Basic like@ interface that a properly designed application can use. KeyboardE mapping, colors and other customized setups are easy to distribute toi
 new users.  C I've been using VT's since the VT52 days and still occasionally uselD VT420's and when I do I sure miss my Reflection. I guess you haven't, used a good emulator, then, eh, oldtimer?;-)     -Douge  C P.S.: I have no affiliation with WRQ,inc. or with any manufacturer,eE distributor or reseller of Reflection or any other VT emulator excepta
 as a user.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:41:25 GMTg# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)m" Subject: Re: VMS/modem setup help?2 Message-ID: <p3Vgc.3415$os1.2182@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <Xns94CB9411B707D1312313312321312@129.250.170.88>, John <1312313@312.321.312> writes:C ..But I hear setting up communication between a modem and an Alpha u :is much more complex....h  C   The OpenVMS FAQ section "How to connect OpenVMS to a Modem?" will A   be of some interest here, as will recent OpenVMS documentation..  C   (Modem questions arise with some regularity within various fora.)o  A   Pinouts and adapters and part numbers are also available in thefA   FAQ and particularly via the DECconnect link in the OpenVMS AsktA   The Wizard website's left navigation -- you can purchase cablestA   and adapters for your particular modem and your particular host =   serial port, or you can build your own cable or connectors.z  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqcN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comM   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2004 13:08:04 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)5 Subject: Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404191208.6a1bcc81@posting.google.com>   W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<Uq-dnRRP1JOEfB7dRVn-sQ@igs.net>...eH > http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/egYw0GMMYy0G6p0CUFe0AD    8 what do you want for free?  You get what you pay for ...   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.218 ************************as by all reports a G much-less-sucky drop-in replacement for Exchange, including calendaring M functionality.)  They want to be perceived a1gYJx/,59~^#uz){ceī=N7err^,=W {	FәMI}g엖L;{ٍ7=@Mi0ORr)C Rg 06٦yԲyTܥR`V1U
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