1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 20 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 219       Contents:? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... % Re: Backup command / Tape help needed 4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...! Re: LYNX, character sets, DECterm ! Re: LYNX, character sets, DECterm  Re: Media Handling Guidelines " Re: need help on fonts for Mozilla Re: Need VAXVMS055 ISO Re: Need VAXVMS055 ISO Re: Need VAXVMS055 ISO Re: Need VAXVMS055 ISO/ Re: Need VMS 6.0 distribution (and VMS V5.5 U2)  OT: Scalability  Re: OT: Scalability ! Re: Pathworks and Windows 2003 DC ! Re: Pathworks and Windows 2003 DC G Re: Please visit the bootcamp website, we have added a couple of things G Re: Please visit the bootcamp website, we have added a couple of things 	 Re: RWINS  Re: stop processC Re: Suggestions for installing OpenVMS 7.3 for a machine an MV 3400 6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable/ Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / RE: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS  VAX Macro language and file..." RE: VAX Macro language and file...& Re: WEBES install failing on DCLTABLES, Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost2 Re: [OT]: Franken-food was Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?2 Re: [OT]: Franken-food was Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2004 02:33:26 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....= Message-ID: <734da31c.0404200133.2acbafbf@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c5opkk$c9h$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > David Svensson wrote:  > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c53mih$tq$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > >  > >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >>P > >>>I think that the minute Andrew decides to quit the conference, you will seeP > >>>a near instantanious dissapearance of any discussion (let alone bashing) ofP > >>>Sun in the conference...  because most of of just don't care.  Sun's battle5 > >>>is with other UNIXes, Linux, Windows and itself.  > >>>  > >>@ > >>VMS newsgroups have always had a subset of their respondantsB > >>that have indulged in UNIX bashing. Because Sun is the largest? > >>UNIX vendor much of this generic bashing gravitated towards > > >>Solaris and all of this was well underway before I started > >>posting to this group. > >  > > J > > As far as I see it, most of those who post here about Sun just want toC > > tease with you. And, apparently you appear to take it much more / > > seriously than what most people usually do.  > % > You think the choir arn't serious ?   . Not always. (and, I know that some only tease)  9 > And teases are only sucessfully if the person doing the < > teasing doesn't end up walking away looking like an idiot.   I don't agree.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:00:04 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....0 Message-ID: <c63hek$s18$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c5opkk$c9h$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>David Svensson wrote:  >> >>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c53mih$tq$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >>>  >>>  >>>>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>>> >>>>P >>>>>I think that the minute Andrew decides to quit the conference, you will seeP >>>>>a near instantanious dissapearance of any discussion (let alone bashing) ofP >>>>>Sun in the conference...  because most of of just don't care.  Sun's battle5 >>>>>is with other UNIXes, Linux, Windows and itself.  >>>>>  >>>>@ >>>>VMS newsgroups have always had a subset of their respondantsB >>>>that have indulged in UNIX bashing. Because Sun is the largest? >>>>UNIX vendor much of this generic bashing gravitated towards > >>>>Solaris and all of this was well underway before I started >>>>posting to this group. >>>  >>> I >>>As far as I see it, most of those who post here about Sun just want to B >>>tease with you. And, apparently you appear to take it much more. >>>seriously than what most people usually do. >>% >>You think the choir arn't serious ?  >  > 0 > Not always. (and, I know that some only tease) >  > 9 >>And teases are only sucessfully if the person doing the < >>teasing doesn't end up walking away looking like an idiot. >  >  > I don't agree.    3 Really, consider walking away looking like an idiot ) like being teased back but with knobs on.    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:57:27 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>. Subject: Re: Backup command / Tape help needed6 Message-ID: <1040420004952.32308I-100000@Ives.egh.com>  $ On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, NeedHelp wrote:   > Yes.  I used these commands: >=20 > A1000:> mount/for mkb400: , > %MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write locked4 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, 032994 mounted on _A1000$MKB400: > A1000:> backup /list mkb400:  @ You either need to specify the saveset name here or (maybe?) use a wild-card:     backup /list mkb400:a11f.bck   or=20      backup /list mkb400:*.*   ? (which would be useful if there is more than one saveset on the # tape, but I'm not sure this works.)    > Listing of save set(s) >=20I > %BACKUP-F-LABELERR, error in tape label processing on MKB400:[000000].; 2 > -BACKUP-F-NOTANSI, tape is not valid ANSI format	 > A1000:>   F I think the above error resulted from backup scanning the tape lookingB for a saveset with a blank name (".;"), and running off the end ofA data.  But it should have stopped at the logical EOT and reported  a "file not found" error.   E How long did it take to produce the error?  If it was almost instant, E then there is probably a real parity error a short way into the tape. E If it was a long time (>10 seconds to many minutes), then it may have F run off the end, or encountered an error reading the labels of a later saveset.   >=20 >=20- > <briggs@encompasserve.org> wrote in message / > news:MEXk0BOp10Do@eisner.encompasserve.org... C > > In article <5qyec.2935$hg1.25@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, "NeedHelp" ! > <eckmant@earthlink.net> writes: L > > > Yes the first few records are 80 bytes long.  No, there were no parit= y L > > > errors.  It only required one dump command not two.  The results foll= ow.  > I I > > > did find the backup command used in the following listing, with the L > > > block=3D1600 qualifier.  Unfortunately my current configuration accep= ts< > > > /block=3D sizes in the range of 2048 an 65,535 blocks. > > > ( > > > I'm still unable to read the tape. > > ? > > Looks good to me.  If it were me, my next move would be to:  > >  > > $ set mag /rewind mkb400:  > > $ copy mkb400: nl: /log " > > $ convert mkb400: tapefile.dat
 > > record > > format fixed
 > > size 8192 % > > $ backup /list tapefile.dat /save  > >  > > -or- > >  > > $ dismount /nounl mkb400: , > > $ mount mkb400: /over=3Did /block=3D8192" > > $ copy mkb400:a11f.bck [] /log! > > $ backup /list a11f.bck /save  > > E > > The 1600 you see in the dump is the /DENSITY=3D1600.  Pretty well I > > irrelevant for helical scan media, I'd expect.  Since we have legible / > > data we know we don't have a density issue.  > > D > > The blocks on tape are 8192 bytes in length.  That's the defaultA > > for BACKUP on tape.  It's exactly what I'd expect to see on a # > > perfectly ordinary backup tape.  > > J > > Can you show us the commands used and error messages that are producedB > > when you try to restore this tape?  I'm baffled at this point. > >  > > John Briggs  > > >  > > >  > > > A1000:> dump mkb400: > > > 7 > > > Dump of device MKB400: on 12-APR-2004 07:16:26.80  > > > 0 > > > Block number 1 (00000001), 80 (0050) bytes > > > B > > >  20202020 20203439 39323330 314C4F56 VOL1032994       000000B > > >  20202020 20202020 20202020 20202020                  000010B > > >  20202020 20202020 20202020 20202020                  000020B > > >  20202020 20202020 20202020 20202020                  000030B > > >  33202020 20202020 20202020 20202020                3 000040 > > >  > > >  > > > 7 > > > Dump of device MKB400: on 12-APR-2004 07:16:26.80  > > > 0 > > > Block number 2 (00000002), 80 (0050) bytes > > > B > > >  20202020 4B43422E 46313141 31524448 HDR1A11F.BCK     000000B > > >  30313030 30343939 32333020 20202020      03299400010 000010B > > >  20383830 34392030 30313030 30313030 001000100 94088  000020B > > >  56434544 30303030 30302038 38303439 94088 000000DECV 000030B > > >  20202020 20202020 50554B43 4142534D MSBACKUP         000040 > > >  > > > 7 > > > Dump of device MKB400: on 12-APR-2004 07:16:26.80  > > > 0 > > > Block number 3 (00000003), 80 (0050) bytes > > > B > > >  20323931 38303239 31383046 32524448 HDR2F0819208192  000000B > > >  20202020 20202020 20202020 20202020                  000010B > > >  20202020 20202020 2020204D 20202020     M            000020B > > >  20202020 20202020 20202020 30302020   00             000030B > > >  20202020 20202020 20202020 20202020                  000040 > > > # > > >         ***  End of file  ***  > > > 7 > > > Dump of device MKB400: on 12-APR-2004 07:16:26.80  > > > 2 > > > Block number 4 (00000004), 8192 (2000) bytes > > > B > > >  00000000 00000001 00010001 04000100 ................ 000000B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 000010F > > >  00000000 00002000 EA8A86F2 00010101 ....=F2..=EA. ...... 000020B > > >  00000000 0000004B 43422E46 31314108 .A11F.BCK....... 000030B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 000040B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 000050B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 000060B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 000070B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 000080B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 000090B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 0000A0B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 0000B0B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 0000C0B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 0000D0B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 0000E0D > > >  0CA30000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ..............=A3. 0000F0B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00010110 ................ 000100B > > >  006F4B43 422E4631 31410001 00080101 ......A11F.BCKo. 000110B > > >  59544953 4E45442F 50554B43 41420002 ..BACKUP/DENSITY 000120D > > >  4F4E4749 2F454741 4D492F30 3036313D =3D1600/IMAGE/IGNO 000130D > > >  414C2C4B 434F4C52 45544E49 283D4552 RE=3D(INTERLOCK,LA 000140D > > >  54515F31 31413D54 53494C2F 294C4542 BEL)/LIST=3DA11_QT 000150B > > >  44524F43 45522F53 494C2E34 395F3130 01_94.LIS/RECORD 000160B > > >  3A304355 4D203A31 31414944 24312420  $1$DIA11: MUC0: 000170B > > >  4E495745 524F4E2F 4B43422E 46313141 A11F.BCK/NOREWIN 000180B > > >  20202020 204D4554 53595300 04000C44 D....SYSTEM      000190F > > >  21CCE000 06000800 01000400 05000420  ............=E0=CC! 0001A0F > > >  56000800 04040000 07000200 97C2CF25 %=CF=C2............V 0001B0B > > >  043A3A30 30303456 5F000900 08352E35 5.5...._V4000::. 0001C0B > > >  30303456 5F000B00 0C0B0000 06000A00 ..........._V400 0001D0B > > >  04352E35 56000C00 043A3043 554D2430 0$MUC0:....V5.5. 0001E0B > > >  0F000200 0A000E00 02000020 00000D00 .... ........... 0001F0B > > >  20202020 20202020 20001000 0C007000 .p.....          000200B > > >  00000000 00000000 01001100 02202020    ............. 000210B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 000200D0 ?............... 000220B > > >  20313141 0015000C 02010014 00020101 ............A11  000230B > > >  4C4C494D 0016000C 20202020 20202020         ....MILL 000240B > > >  46434544 0017000C 20202020 20205245 ER      ....DECF 000250B > > >  00080008 00190004 20204231 31454C49 ILE11B  ........ 000260D > > >  001C0002 FA00001B 00020000 001A0002 ...........=FA.... 000270B > > >  228C5140 001E0008 0008001D 0002FE00 .?..........@Q." 000280B > > >  00020300 20000107 001F0001 00943564 d5......... .... 000290B > > >  00090023 00020003 00220002 00050021 !.....".....#... 0002A0F > > >  0003BA20 00270004 001DD102 00240004 ..$..=D1....'. =BA.. 0002B0B > > >  72102167 00290004 00005608 00280004 ..(..V....).g!.r 0002C0D > > >  00000000 004C0008 000EE935 00430004 ..C.5=E9....L..... 0002D0B > > >  00000000 00000000 004D0008 00000000 ......M......... 0002E0B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000001 00580002 ..X............. 0002F0B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00070090 ................ 000300B > > >  00040003 00020001 00400001 00010101 ......@......... 000310B > > >  0015000C 00010009 00080007 00060005 ................ 000320B > > >  00060007 000A0008 000B0002 0009000E ................ 000330B > > >  00020002 0018001D 00380007 00080010 ......8......... 000340B > > >  00020002 00020002 00020002 00020002 ................ 000350B > > >  0005000B 000A0002 00020003 008D001F ................ 000360B > > >  0002003E 00020073 00D0001F 00020002 ......?.s...>... 000370B > > >  00020002 00020002 00130002 00020002 ................ 000380B > > >  00000000 00000000 00020002 00020002 ................ 000390B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00070090 ................ 0003A0B > > >  0054006B 000C0002 00400001 00410101 ..A...@.....k.T. 0003B0B > > >  003E0008 00140005 00020013 00350002 ..5...........>. 0003C0B > > >  00090011 0011000C 00020002 00070002 ................ 0003D0B > > >  00020002 00470002 0002000A 00170002 ..........G..... 0003E0B > > >  00020002 00020002 00020002 00190016 ................ 0003F0B > > >  000D0008 00420007 004D0005 00020002 ......M...B..... 000400D > > >  00050004 000C001A 000C000E 000D003D =3D............... 000410B > > >  00020002 001B0007 00020002 00020002 ................ 000420B > > >  00000000 00000000 0019000B 003E0006 ..>............. 000430B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00070090 ................ 000440B > > >  00120002 001E000D 00400001 00810101 ......@......... 000450B > > >  00020002 001D0002 0004002C 002A000C ..*.,........... 000460B > > >  00020026 001B0054 0019000E 00260002 ..&.....T...&... 000470B > > >  00020002 00020035 00020004 00080002 ........5....... 000480D > > >  003E00A7 0074005D 003E0038 0009001F ....8.>.].t.=A7.>. 000490B > > >  00310021 00620025 001E003A 004D0019 ..M.:...%.b.!.1. 0004A0B > > >  00020002 00020002 0002007F 00070007 ................ 0004B0B > > >  00320002 00020002 000E004A 004A0011 ..J.J.........2. 0004C0B > > >  00000000 00000000 00390003 00280070 p.(...9......... 0004D0B > > >  00000000 00000000 00000000 00070090 ................ 0004E0D > > >  000F001B 004C0021 00400001 00C10101 ..=C1...@.!.L..... 0004F0B > > >  00020002 000A0002 00020044 00020018 ....D........... 000500B > > >  00310015 00260008 0002002C 003C0002 ..<.,.....&...1. 000510 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20   --=20  John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2004 02:25:27 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... = Message-ID: <734da31c.0404200125.2d8ca6e4@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c60gha$pql$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > David Svensson wrote:  >  > I > > HP is selling and supporting Linux servers, that is a very good thing J > > for HP _and_ Linux. IBM has also done lots of good thing for Linux andJ > > Sun has done good things for OpenSource and are beginning to make good > > things for Linux.  > ? > Ask yourself this, what would be the impact on the OpenSource = > community if HP all its products, all its engineers and all # > its IP simply vanished tommorow ?  > < > The answer is basically none, Dell, IBM, Fujitsu etc would3 > quickly fill the hole left in the platform market   ? Almost the same could be said for all companies, including Sun.   : > So in reality OpenSource is much more important to HP as= > a market than HP is to OpenSource and thats because despite : > the Linux retoric HP have done virtually nothing of note; > for the Linux community except to provide platforms which & > HP do because it generates revenues.  D Yes, and that has been good for the adoption of Linux, which is goodD for Linux. Sun on the other hand has a history of talking down LinuxD (that is changing now) and I don't think that has been good, altough1 the impact has probably been very low, for Linux.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:46:04 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 0 Message-ID: <c63gkc$rqd$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <c60obf$shi$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > : >>As usual when stripped down your point doesn't look that >>compelling does it.  >  > F >    The point of contention is what technology exists other than SAN.# >    The reality is it does exists.  >     It exists but you cannot buy it.   So for new customers ???????  * Doesn't that just about sum up the problem, with OpenVMS in general. Though in OpenVMS's, case it exists but none wants to sell it too you.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:53:49 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 0 Message-ID: <c63h2u$s18$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c60gha$pql$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>David Svensson wrote:  >> >> >>H >>>HP is selling and supporting Linux servers, that is a very good thingI >>>for HP _and_ Linux. IBM has also done lots of good thing for Linux and I >>>Sun has done good things for OpenSource and are beginning to make good  >>>things for Linux. >>? >>Ask yourself this, what would be the impact on the OpenSource = >>community if HP all its products, all its engineers and all # >>its IP simply vanished tommorow ?  >>< >>The answer is basically none, Dell, IBM, Fujitsu etc would3 >>quickly fill the hole left in the platform market  >  > A > Almost the same could be said for all companies, including Sun.  >   1 Ahh but that would be where you would be entirely  wrong.  < If Sun were to vanish tommorow along with all its developers< the following key OpenSource programs and programs important7 to the OpenSource community would be severely impacted.   7 OpenOffice, Sun is doing the majority of the OpenOffice  development.   Java.    Gnome    OpenSSL    And a whole host more.  ; The OpenSource community would also lose the one commercial : vendor that consistently insisted and insists on published6 API's something which allows OpenSource developers the1 possibility of engineering compatible interfaces.    > : >>So in reality OpenSource is much more important to HP as= >>a market than HP is to OpenSource and thats because despite : >>the Linux retoric HP have done virtually nothing of note; >>for the Linux community except to provide platforms which & >>HP do because it generates revenues. >  > F > Yes, and that has been good for the adoption of Linux, which is goodF > for Linux. Sun on the other hand has a history of talking down LinuxF > (that is changing now) and I don't think that has been good, altough3 > the impact has probably been very low, for Linux.   @ You have made the classic mistake of mixing retoric with action.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 05:53:23 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)* Subject: Re: LYNX, character sets, DECterm$ Message-ID: <c62dsi$6fv$1@online.de>  G > (On a related note, why does EDT, with some symbols, display them as  E > the corresponding symbol and sometimes as <XX> where XX is the hex  	 > value?)  >  > John Sauter responded: > C > If EDT doesn't think your terminal can display a character in the 2 > buffer, it shows the character as <something>.    F OK.  However, sometimes it displays them correctly and sometimes not, E sometimes it changes after a screen refresh etc.  I've even seen the  6 same character displayed simultaneously in both forms.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:31:06 -0400 ' From: John Sauter <J_Sauter@Empire.Net> * Subject: Re: LYNX, character sets, DECterm8 Message-ID: <cpu98056oq5bcndmiiqtde6ov791p34hq6@4ax.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:   E (On a related note, why does EDT, with some symbols, display them as  C the corresponding symbol and sometimes as <XX> where XX is the hex   value?)    John Sauter responded:  A If EDT doesn't think your terminal can display a character in the 0 buffer, it shows the character as <something>.     Phillip Helbig responded:   F OK.  However, sometimes it displays them correctly and sometimes not, E sometimes it changes after a screen refresh etc.  I've even seen the  6 same character displayed simultaneously in both forms.   John Sauter responded:  = If you can get this to happen reliably, please submit an SPR.  This is definitely a bug. %     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:16:27 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>& Subject: Re: Media Handling Guidelines' Message-ID: <c63ifp$9ji$1@lore.csc.com>    "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > - > On 19 Apr 2004 at 9:56, Lee Courtney wrote: J > > This exercise is not focused on preservation of the information (bits)F > > on the media, there's a separate project addressing that task, butC > > making sure that a physical object it is not damaged when being  > > handled. > D > I think you're going to find those tasks in conflict.  Keeping theC > tapes readable requires that they be mounted periodically and run C > from one end to the other.  That increases the risk that the tape  > will be destroyed.  E In audio circles, the practice of "baking" older tapes to dry out the D binder (holding the oxide to the actual tape) is used to prolong theE life of older tapes. A 'net search should find the details, but it is  relevant to long term storage.  F I know when we did some data migrations from old media a while back we/ were grateful for the error recovery of BACKUP.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:37:20 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> + Subject: Re: need help on fonts for Mozilla 8 Message-ID: <3pf880tipese3fj3qgjtcj8vljsgba6223@4ax.com>  I On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:40:04 +0000 (UTC), helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:   F >In article <ba3580506b10m1snk8k6pnbkbbohmvu5np@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker ><nigel@hp.com> writes:  > N >> OK but you still haven't answered my questions as to which sites give you aQ >> problem. Of course if the answer is embarrassing just forget I mentioned it:-)  > D >For example, try http://www.vest.com.mk/ or any site with Cyrillic E >letters.  (OK, this one uses charset=windows-1251, but the "better"  ( >iso-8859-5 would give similar results.)  N Ah, I see what you mean with that Macedonian site. It works OK in IE & MozillaN 1.6 on Windows. I'll check it out on one of my VMS machines when I get back to the office.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:58:39 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Need VAXVMS055 ISO 6 Message-ID: <408491DF.FABC7A9C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > (snip) > J > >>At a guess, as Romax mentions he is a hobbist and is asking for an ISO > >>image, he has SIMH.  > O > >>In which case he can attach the whole ISO image file of the CD as a fake CD  > >>drive and boot from that...  > 8 > > ...except that it will still be ODS-2, not ISO-9660. > @ > In ISO image file is really just an image file that happens to > have an ISO format in it.   G "ISO image" has become one of those "genericised" terms that is used to D refer to any disk image, regardless of the internal format. Thus, it% tends to be a misnomer in some cases.   D > It seems, though, that some CD writing programs when told to writeC > an ISO image will only write an ISO image.  It seems wrong to me,  > but that is the way it is.  A There is other software out there that will write an image to CD, 6 regardless of the internal format. See my CD-rom page:  $ http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html ...especially...+ http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html#gearcd    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:37:15 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>  Subject: Re: Need VAXVMS055 ISO 8 Message-ID: <j2b7809vj9vdbflipjdg77jo1krlb2ub1c@4ax.com>  7 On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:44:06 -0500, "David J. Dachtera" - <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote:      N >> In which case he can attach the whole ISO image file of the CD as a fake CD >> drive and boot from that... > 5 >...except that it will still be ODS-2, not ISO-9660.   P He's provably just loosely using the term ISO image to describe an image of a CD> file that Nero or whatever can use to burn a working VMS disk.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2004 07:43:51 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Need VAXVMS055 ISO 3 Message-ID: <6Ws+xRm3MTKL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <j2b7809vj9vdbflipjdg77jo1krlb2ub1c@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:9 > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:44:06 -0500, "David J. Dachtera" / > <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote:  >  >   O >>> In which case he can attach the whole ISO image file of the CD as a fake CD  >>> drive and boot from that...  >>6 >>...except that it will still be ODS-2, not ISO-9660. > R > He's provably just loosely using the term ISO image to describe an image of a CD@ > file that Nero or whatever can use to burn a working VMS disk.  6 Inaccurate problem descriptions impede communications.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2004 06:45:52 -0700, From: diego.claeys@pandora.be (Romax MANIAX) Subject: Re: Need VAXVMS055 ISO = Message-ID: <de2a082d.0404200545.75e01a3a@posting.google.com>   O Many Thanks to everybody who have sent me a answer, I have all what I need now.   p diego.claeys@pandora.be (Romax MANIAX) wrote in message news:<de2a082d.0404160533.58c9585@posting.google.com>... > Hi,  > 1 > can someone provide me a vax vms 5.5 iso image?  > I have my hobyist licences!  > 	 > Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:29:07 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 8 Subject: Re: Need VMS 6.0 distribution (and VMS V5.5 U2)' Message-ID: <4084D143.4005398D@aaa.com>   ; Have you thought of just re-installing from the ground up ? @ That is, init the disk and put 7.3-1 (or 7.3-2, not sure what is "out" right now").  A Or put 7.3-x on another disk and move whatever you'd lika to save / from the old system disk after to the new disk.   	 Jan-Erik.    "Roert G. Schaffrath" wrote:  > M > I am contemplating an upgrade of my old V5.5-2 system to V7.3.  I currently N > have complete distributions of VAX/VMS 6.2 and VAX/VMS 7.3.  However, I needM > VAX/VMS V6.0 in order to get from VAX/VMS V5.5-2 to VAX/VMS V6.2 from where N > I can jump right to V7.3.  Is there any place that I could download it from? > N > I have checked Phil's repository at 68.35.167.136 but V6.0 is not available.L > In addition, I would like to get the VMSU2055.% files if possible.  I haveF > the VMS V5.5 and update #1 distributions but I am lacking update #2. >  > TIA, > -- > Roert G. Schaffrath% > mailto:rschaffrath(AT)yahoo(DOT)com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:49:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: OT: Scalability, Message-ID: <4084C80D.420A205C@teksavvy.com>  I VMS supporters have always been proud of the scalability of the platform.      However, consider this:   N India is holding elections. Over 600 million people will be voting in multiple* rounds of elections lasting about a month.  M They have deployed 1 million electronic voting machines spread throughout the 0 nation. (all the voting is to be done this way).   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2004 09:53:31 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: OT: Scalability= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404200853.78d82605@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<4084C80D.420A205C@teksavvy.com>... K > VMS supporters have always been proud of the scalability of the platform.  >  >  > However, consider this:  > P > India is holding elections. Over 600 million people will be voting in multiple, > rounds of elections lasting about a month. > O > They have deployed 1 million electronic voting machines spread throughout the 2 > nation. (all the voting is to be done this way).    D This electronic voting systems is working for a long time in Brazil.: I think the Indian system is a "clone" of teh brazilian ! * Look at the machine ... simple hardware !   : http://www.tre-mg.gov.br/urna_eletronica/imagens/foto4.jpg   Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:00:11 -0400 5 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> * Subject: Re: Pathworks and Windows 2003 DC0 Message-ID: <108a7ms1choaacf@corp.supernews.com>   Beth -  H It should work, there were not any significant changes between Win2K andL 2K3, in the smb/cifs area that would cause problems.  Unfortunately, I don'tH think it is officially supported,  Windows 2003 is not yet listed in the SPD.  E For a more official statement, contact the Product Manager - Lawrence  Woodcome at HP dot com.    Regards,  
 Brad McCusker   4 "Beth" <beth.seefelt@tetleyusa.com> wrote in message7 news:3cdb9fbc.0404190648.702b21f3@posting.google.com...  > Hi,  > D > I'm running Pathworks Advanced Server 7.3A on Alpha Openvms 7.2-2.G > The environment is a native mode Windows 2000 domain and the Alpha is G > a member server.  We use file share and external authentication.  The G > sys admins are planning to upgrade the DC that is the PDC emulator to H > Windows 2003.  Does anyone know if this is going to cause problems forA > me?  Will my users still be able to authentication with the PDC  > emulator?  >  > Thx.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:29:34 -0400 $ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>* Subject: Re: Pathworks and Windows 2003 DC, Message-ID: <c63mm0$q1m$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi Beth,  I There's a new security policy in Windows Server 2003 that will need to be ) enabled (on all W2K3 domain controllers):   9     Network Access: Allow Anonymous SID/Name Translations   E Also, if you're not running ECO2 of Advanced Server v7.3A, you should 
 upgrade asap:   # $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands  $ pwver   6 The image ident column will tell you the true version:       Image Ident        Version" -----------------  ---------------      V7.3-120A      v7.3A ECO2      V7.3-110A      v7.3A ECO1      V7.3-100A      v7.3A   
 Best of luck,    Paul  4 "Beth" <beth.seefelt@tetleyusa.com> wrote in message7 news:3cdb9fbc.0404190648.702b21f3@posting.google.com...: > Hi,l > D > I'm running Pathworks Advanced Server 7.3A on Alpha Openvms 7.2-2.G > The environment is a native mode Windows 2000 domain and the Alpha isTG > a member server.  We use file share and external authentication.  TheeG > sys admins are planning to upgrade the DC that is the PDC emulator tooH > Windows 2003.  Does anyone know if this is going to cause problems forA > me?  Will my users still be able to authentication with the PDCe > emulator?n >f > Thx.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:05:10 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>6P Subject: Re: Please visit the bootcamp website, we have added a couple of things, Message-ID: <GbmdnazxWOD9GBndRVn-hA@igs.net>  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0404160636.130df996@posting.google.com...  > Dear Folks >aH > At the last Boot Camp we heard that we needed more storage informationC > - We listened, we will have a storage block, a Storage VP GeneraloG > Session on Wed evening, additionally on Monday and Tuesday there willsE > be an 18 wheeler truck (storage focused) at the hotel (click on thee# > the HP Adaptive Enterprise Tour).   I Went to the 'Rolling Blunder' tour site - It doesn't say whether anything I inside the truck will be running OpenVMS. It would be a real shame if then9 truck rolled into Nashua and didn't have any VMS running.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2004 09:01:07 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)EP Subject: Re: Please visit the bootcamp website, we have added a couple of things= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0404200801.5a16fe55@posting.google.com>e  & John are  you coming to the boot camp?   sue-    W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<GbmdnazxWOD9GBndRVn-hA@igs.net>...0@ > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:857e9e41.0404160636.130df996@posting.google.com...- > > Dear Folks > >1J > > At the last Boot Camp we heard that we needed more storage informationE > > - We listened, we will have a storage block, a Storage VP GeneraleI > > Session on Wed evening, additionally on Monday and Tuesday there willUG > > be an 18 wheeler truck (storage focused) at the hotel (click on thew% > > the HP Adaptive Enterprise Tour).. > K > Went to the 'Rolling Blunder' tour site - It doesn't say whether anythingiK > inside the truck will be running OpenVMS. It would be a real shame if thea; > truck rolled into Nashua and didn't have any VMS running.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2004 10:25:54 -0700. From: alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels) Subject: Re: RWINS= Message-ID: <9f7f13a8.0404200925.3ab71a13@posting.google.com>   h rules@telia.com (Esa Ryh?nen) wrote in message news:<101c337d.0404190015.661dca84@posting.google.com>...= > I have a process (running a Java app) stuck in RWINS state.uG > I can't stop the process with STOP PROC/ID=xxxx and need to reboot tof > get rid of the process.s: > Anybody know how to stop a process stuck in RWINS state? > 	 > Regards    This may be worth a try...   STOP     /IMAGE  3         /IMAGE [/IDENTIFICATION=pid] [process-name]h  E      Calls the $FORCEX system service to stop the image of the target @      process specified in the process id or process name that is<      currently executing. The target process is not deleted.  D      If you omit the /IDENTIFICATION qualifier and the process name,=      the STOP/IMAGE command is identical to the STOP command._   Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:01:37 -0500V@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: stop processo6 Message-ID: <40849291.3415852D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   tutor wrote: >  > Found the answer.eG >    once I had privs to do a   $ set uic [owner/process to be stopped]e2 >    the next part was easy:    $ stop process/id=  < OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very, very, MESSY!!!  B 1. SET UIC is no longer supported (or documented). See the Persona Services documentation.k  F 2. SET UIC requires priv.'s that are even more dangerous than WORLD or GROUP.   -- a David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:32:33 +0200>9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>nL Subject: Re: Suggestions for installing OpenVMS 7.3 for a machine an MV 3400' Message-ID: <4084D211.D0023E0C@aaa.com>a   > Have aI > look around for a MicroVAX 3100, smaller, cheaper, easier to connect upo$ > current h'ware and faster as well.  A Or something like a AlphaStation 250 4/266, which is a far faster & box then a 3400, and are pretty cheap.  	 Jan-Erik.k   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:37:20 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable>8 Message-ID: <hvf880h4qq5m7v2ki2e5f7g3m97drgdd06@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:31:26 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy . <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  P >> Andrew how could you forget to mention OpenVMS? Virtually everything that youR >> mention above is available on OpenVMS & has been for some years. Not to mentionR >> all the other completely unencumbered Open Source software that originates form >> non-corporate sources.9  K You mentioned Linux boxes being able to run applications that they couldn't.# otherwise. Same applies to OpenVMS.0  > >Or did you think that being able to run OpenSoruce components- >somehow meant that you had made a donation ?0  O The way the Open Source movement works is that you fix, improve & adapt to yournP particular platform & then feed back any necessary changes into the source pool.H A good example would be our improvements on Apache that allow it to takeK advantage of OpenVMS specific features e.g. using VMS security & UAF accessfN thus avoiding using multiple .htaccess files to provide security to individual directories.   >> Thank you Sun., >>  7 >Since i5s rather difficult based on your last point to 8 >work out what on earth you are talking about or why you8 >thought it was worth mentioning I will take your thanks >with a pinch of salt.  N Nothing snide was intended. It was an honest appreciation of the work that SunP has done to develop & promote Java as a true portable multi-platform developmentP & deployment environment. I honestly think that Sun do a great job in this area.K The fact that we get to use it on our preferred platform is an added bonus.e   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:21:02 +0100OO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>i? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable 0 Message-ID: <c63ilu$sk7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Nigel Barker wrote: G > On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:31:26 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyf0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  > P >>>Andrew how could you forget to mention OpenVMS? Virtually everything that youR >>>mention above is available on OpenVMS & has been for some years. Not to mentionR >>>all the other completely unencumbered Open Source software that originates form >>>non-corporate sources.n >  > M > You mentioned Linux boxes being able to run applications that they couldn'to% > otherwise. Same applies to OpenVMS.  >   8 How does this point relate to the one being discussed in the thread.  > ? >>Or did you think that being able to run OpenSoruce componentso. >>somehow meant that you had made a donation ? >  > Q > The way the Open Source movement works is that you fix, improve & adapt to your R > particular platform & then feed back any necessary changes into the source pool.J > A good example would be our improvements on Apache that allow it to takeM > advantage of OpenVMS specific features e.g. using VMS security & UAF accesseP > thus avoiding using multiple .htaccess files to provide security to individual > directories. >   4 In otherwords you have ported Apache to OpenVMS, now3 why do you think that your example doesn't actuallyt. create much value in the OpenSource community.  4 Its almost identical to the argument being made that1 HP supports the OpenSouce community because Linux0 runs on HP's boxes.1   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:04:19 -05003@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <40849333.19D14F25@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   DL Phillips wrote: > [snip]D > Reflection also has "Hot Spot" definitions and a Visual Basic like0 > interface that a properly designed application   ...or virus, trojan, etc. ...    > can use. Keyboard G > mapping, colors and other customized setups are easy to distribute to  > new users.  D Best not to stray too far from the defaults, to keep your own skills	 portable.0   --   David J. Dachtera0 dba DJE Systems3 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/8   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:18:38 GMT , From: Wesley Dunnahoo <wdunnahoo@mndspng.cm>8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMSC Message-ID: <i94hc.14736$l75.5503@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>0  H I've only found one terminal emulation software for Windows that seemed : to be 98% compatible with real terminals.  It's SmarTerm. G Unfortunately, it was also one of the most expensive.  The college was 2> paying $50 per license in bulk.  I have no idea what it costs G individually and/or for a non-educational setting.  We ended up buying EG just enough licenses for the programmers and certain other individuals.1  G The Hyperterm included with Windows is a cut down (you might say demo)  F version of the real product.  I've downloaded and tryed a copy of the I full product and it doesn't seem too bad.  I haven't used it extensively 0E yet though so I don't know if it has any quirks.  Of course, being a 0I college, we didn't have to pay the license fee (it's advertised as being 0C "free" for individuals and educational institutions.  To be legal, 0I businesses need to pay for the licenses.  You can download and use it in 0F a business for a trial period to evaluate it to decide if you want to  buy it.)  I Right now, most of the PCs on campus use QVT/Term.  It works most of the .I time but certain applications, notably All-in-1, a lot of time is wasted  H typing Control-W or Control-R over and over to refresh the screen.  The I good thing about QVT/Term is that it supports secure shell and isn't too   expensive per license.   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <IsScnR12opsidx_dSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk>, "Alistair Burnett" <alistair.burnett@realitysolutions.no.spam.co.uk> writes:. > H >>I am attempting to replace several old VT420 terminals with PC's + run >>Windows XP; >>and use Hyperterminal to communicate with our VMS server.0 >>	 >>Issues:6 >>N >>(1) The VT420 terminals use serial comms to connect to the server. I want to >>use TCP/IP7 >>(2) How do I find / set up the ip address on OpenVMS?2I >>(3) Will open VMS support a telnet session via TCP/IP from a Window PC?8L >>(4) Do I need additional software - Emulators for PC / TCP/IP services for
 >>openVMS?B >>       [I have heard of Pathworks - but too expensive + too much >>functionality] >>= >>(5) Any other advise in connecting Windows PC's to OpenVMS.  >> >  > J >    What you need is an IP stack on VMS.  What you won't get is happy endJ >    users.  Some VT emulations on Windows are better than others, but all" >    are far below using real VTs. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:44:33 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS- Message-ID: <874qreeuvy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>0  L "Alistair Burnett" <alistair.burnett@realitysolutions.no.spam.co.uk> writes:  D > I am attempting to replace several old VT420 terminals with PC's +B > run Windows XP and use Hyperterminal to communicate with our VMS	 > server..   Run, don't walk from Hyperterm!   E Get Kermit, will cost you money for the book/licence. Hey, if you can0F give money to the billygoat, then Columbia deserves their cut too! See3 the post from Frank a short time back for urls etc.4     -- 0< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:53:41 -07004# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: RE: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEOBDBAA.tom@kednos.com>.  I You can also try PuTTY, which I use.I use different colours for different0 nodes  which I find useful0  ? http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html0     -----Original Message-----5   From: Paul Repacholi [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com].'   Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:45 AM0   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com.:   Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS       "Alistair Burnett";   <alistair.burnett@realitysolutions.no.spam.co.uk> writes:   F   > I am attempting to replace several old VT420 terminals with PC's +D   > run Windows XP and use Hyperterminal to communicate with our VMS   > server.3  !   Run, don't walk from Hyperterm!s  G   Get Kermit, will cost you money for the book/licence. Hey, if you can H   give money to the billygoat, then Columbia deserves their cut too! See5   the post from Frank a short time back for urls etc..       -->   Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9   +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda..B                                                West Australia 6076,   comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0   Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H   EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.     ---4(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/20040   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/20040   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2004 08:58:47 -0700% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) 8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS< Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0404200758.55e6ac8@posting.google.com>  ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40849333.19D14F25@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > DL Phillips wrote:
 > > [snip]F > > Reflection also has "Hot Spot" definitions and a Visual Basic like2 > > interface that a properly designed application >  > ...or virus, trojan, etc. ...0 >   B Explain, please. Oh, you refer to "Visual Basic like". Yes. I see.C Really, Reflection doesn't make a system more or less vulnerable to.E virus or trojan or worm or any other security issue, or were you just. bashing everything PC? :-)   > > can use. KeyboardCI > > mapping, colors and other customized setups are easy to distribute to  > > new users. > F > Best not to stray too far from the defaults, to keep your own skills > portable.0  B Skills portable? What do you mean? I (and the software company I'mD with) write applications for our clients who mostly run VMS and most$ of them have PC's on their desktops.  F I'm probably not as old as you are, David, but I've been doing systemsF analysis and software development for over 35 years and have worked in* electronics since a few years before that.  A I've designed and written applications for VMS since only shortly F after there was such a thing. Many of the old VMS app's we ported overB from PDP11. Some of that logic carried over from our days with IBMF 360/370/s34/36/38, Microdata, Prime, DG and even some special apps I'd" put together on Singer System Ten.  C I've not mentioned a bunch of other brands and all of the dozens ofsB languages. The first (billable) PC app I wrote was a door securityD system running on an Apple II. I bought a book at Radio Shack titled? something like "How to program Microcomputers" and learned 6800u
 assembler.  C Today we work mostly in the VMS environment but we have clients whotD have gone over to the dark side. We still support some of them. I'veB had to learn the way of windows and I don't regret the experience.  D Sorry for all that. I know chest thumping is bad netiquette but yourB reply was rather condescending. Since you don't know me, I forgive= you. My sig doesn't mention my company and it won't. If I saykA something stupid I don't want it to reflect on my mates, you see.e  B Now, back to context. Reflection has some features that allow codeB running on a host to interact with the PC environment. We've takenB advantage of that. The software will run using an actual VT or any? other emulator but the user won't have the "special" Reflectiony% features. Actually, it's pretty neat.$    -Doug   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 2004 16:19:49 GMT& From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu>8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS7 Message-ID: <slrnc8ajd5.he3.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu>e  < On 2004-04-20, Wesley Dunnahoo <wdunnahoo@mndspng.cm> wrote:J : I've only found one terminal emulation software for Windows that seemed < : to be 98% compatible with real terminals.  It's SmarTerm. I : Unfortunately, it was also one of the most expensive.  The college was i@ : paying $50 per license in bulk.  I have no idea what it costs I : individually and/or for a non-educational setting.  We ended up buying -I : just enough licenses for the programmers and certain other individuals.r :o
 Kermit 95:  )   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.htmlm  F is a good VT320 emulator, supporting all VT320 features except sessionH switching, downloadable fonts, and maybe a couple others.  In quantitiesI of 100 or more it's $10 a seat, or less ($8 for nonprofits, and also lesst for higher quantities).$  5 It's probably comparable to Smartterm.  K95 includes:o  H  . About 40 other text terminal emulations (Linux, ANSI, SCO, Wyse, etc)C  . Serial port, modem, Telnet, Rlogin clear-text terminal sessions. G  . SSH v1/v2, Kerberos IV/V, SSL/TLS, and SRP secure terminal sessions.bH  . Kermit and XYZMODEM file transfer protocols within terminal sessions.=  . An FTP client capable or clear-text or secure connections. F  . Support for a wide variety of host character sets, including UTF-8.  L And a built-in script programming language for automating anything you couldE do by hand, that is compatible with that of C-Kermit on VMS and Unix.m  K : Right now, most of the PCs on campus use QVT/Term.  It works most of the  K : time but certain applications, notably All-in-1, a lot of time is wasted wJ : typing Control-W or Control-R over and over to refresh the screen.  The K : good thing about QVT/Term is that it supports secure shell and isn't too i : expensive per license. : I I think most people who use K95 with VMS will tell you it works fine withh( ALL-IN-1, EDT, TPU, and everything else.   - Frank    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 2004 16:21:12 GMT& From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu>8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS7 Message-ID: <slrnc8ajfo.he3.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu>r  < On 2004-04-20, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:G : Get Kermit, will cost you money for the book/licence. Hey, if you canuH : give money to the billygoat, then Columbia deserves their cut too! See5 : the post from Frank a short time back for urls etc.  : K http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html       Kermit 95 for Window and OS/2i  G http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html   C-Kermit for VMS and Unixc   - Frank)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2004 08:08:04 -0700* From: le_dieu_crepitus@yahoo.fr (Crepitus)' Subject: VAX Macro language and file... = Message-ID: <b4c72b33.0404200708.56cc051f@posting.google.com>-   Hello-D I would like to create a small program to see how to use file in VAX Macro Language.dD I'd like to open a file and read it line by line, print each line on. screen and then close the file for the moment.> Could you give me some documentation to create such a program? Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:14:15 -0700t# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e+ Subject: RE: VAX Macro language and file... 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEOADBAA.tom@kednos.com>s   Here is starting point  L http://hp.ciber.net/hp/match.asp?query=macro-example%2B+file&source=0&origin =0     -----Original Message-----3   From: Crepitus [mailto:le_dieu_crepitus@yahoo.fr]d'   Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:08 AM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-)   Subject: VAX Macro language and file...        HellouF   I would like to create a small program to see how to use file in VAX   Macro Language.5F   I'd like to open a file and read it line by line, print each line on0   screen and then close the file for the moment.@   Could you give me some documentation to create such a program?   Thanks     --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004g   ---d& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:18:58 +0100u% From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net>e/ Subject: Re: WEBES install failing on DCLTABLES 8 Message-ID: <c2q980tne5phg4i7mljo64lbog7dlu9s1b@4ax.com>   Greetings all,    D Thanks for all the responses to my question.   I have a feeling thisD problem has been caused by an installion of Oracle Rdb some time agoA that used multiple homes.  This install redefined the sys$common,4E $manager etc logicals to a  different disk and enabled the version ofsF Oracle to be switched.    As far as I was aware this functionality hadE been removed however it looks as if some files have been left behind,e' including version 100 of DCLTABLES.EXE d    * Directory DKA0:[RDB71221.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB]  s? DCLTABLES.EXE;100      591KB/595KB       8-JAN-2004 13:17:26.55e    DKA0 is not the system disk.    B I'll need to speak to Oracle about how to remove this completely.    Thanks again for your input. l   David. c    , On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:29:39 -0400, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >David Gray wrote:C >> Is this likely to be an installed image version mismatch?    TheuB >> version reported by the install utility is ;104 but the install >> program is failing on ;100a >> e7 >> $ install list SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE/full  >> -6 >>   DCLTABLES;104    Open Hdr Shared            Lnkbl >SC >It is still possible. For instance, if you proceeded with multiple D >installations from the same process, each creating a new version ofJ >DCLTABLES.EXE and doing an INSTALL/REPLACE, this would still happen. YourM >process would still be mapped to the original but now deleted file (which isb4 >just marked for delete because it is still in use). >OO >However, I am not 100% sure how SET COMMAND behaves when your own DCLTABLE.EXE> >isn't the most recent.p >mO >If you log out fully (not just log out of a subprocess), and log back in, doese >the error still occur ?   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 2004 07:57:09 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com>.5 Subject: Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's coste7 Message-ID: <Xns94D16584D175Edcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>-  + bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote int6 news:d7791aa1.0404191208.6a1bcc81@posting.google.com:   0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message+ > news:<Uq-dnRRP1JOEfB7dRVn-sQ@igs.net>... iI >> http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/egYw0GMMYy0G6p0CUFe0AD- >  > : > what do you want for free?  You get what you pay for ...  I Did you read the article?  No.  Because if you had, you would have known A7 that the author _paid_ for a distribution with support.N   Sheesh.   8 We are Bob, resistance is futile, you will be irritated.     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.nG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:19:39 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>; Subject: Re: [OT]: Franken-food was Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?l6 Message-ID: <1040420000811.32308H-100000@Ives.egh.com>  % On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, John Smith wrote:o   > 9 > "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messagem6 > news:c4sfkn$2loeps$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de... > > John Smith wrote:e= > > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messageh) > > > news:4070FFDB.6C272651@istop.com...w > > >  > > >>Paul Sture wrote:g > > >>G > > >>>Typical French :-) They bring food into all sorts of phrases andwJ > > >>>sayings. IIRC "reinventing the wheel" comes out as "reinventing the/ > > >>>butter cutting wire", by way of example.. > > >>N > > >>Hey, don't blast the french. Without good food and good beverages, human > > >J
 > > > life > > >w+ > > >>would not be possible on this planet.M > > >P > > >tM > > > [OT]: All the more reason to boycott 'Franken-food', a.k.a. Monsanto et2+ > > > al.'s efforts to reduce biodiversity.< > >@J > > Hmm. Is Monsanto a French company? I do know that when the French wereL > > advertising their so-called "Golden Delicious" apples to the UK (bland -C > > tasted of water, but little else), I didn't see them in France.h >  >  > AFIAK Monsanto is US owned.a    E I think "Franken-food" is a reference to Frankenstein, not to France.eB AFAIK, Monsanto is based in St. Louis, which used to be French but isn't any more.e   -- S John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:38:41 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>; Subject: Re: [OT]: Franken-food was Re: OpenVMS for POWER!?o: Message-ID: <pT7hc.37638$ux4.32095@bignews5.bellsouth.net>   John Santos wrote:  ' > On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, John Smith wrote:e >  > 9 >>"Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messageh6 >>news:c4sfkn$2loeps$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de... >> >>>John Smith wrote: >>>o; >>>>"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagec' >>>>news:4070FFDB.6C272651@istop.com...e >>>> >>>> >>>>>Paul Sture wrote: >>>>>t >>>>>hF >>>>>>Typical French :-) They bring food into all sorts of phrases andI >>>>>>sayings. IIRC "reinventing the wheel" comes out as "reinventing theo. >>>>>>butter cutting wire", by way of example. >>>>>wM >>>>>Hey, don't blast the french. Without good food and good beverages, human- >>>> >>>>life >>>> >>>>* >>>>>would not be possible on this planet. >>>> >>>>K >>>>[OT]: All the more reason to boycott 'Franken-food', a.k.a. Monsanto et2) >>>>al.'s efforts to reduce biodiversity.m >>> I >>>Hmm. Is Monsanto a French company? I do know that when the French werenK >>>advertising their so-called "Golden Delicious" apples to the UK (bland -dB >>>tasted of water, but little else), I didn't see them in France. >> >> >>AFIAK Monsanto is US owned.  >  >  > G > I think "Franken-food" is a reference to Frankenstein, not to France.aD > AFAIK, Monsanto is based in St. Louis, which used to be French but > isn't any more.a >   K "Franken-food" is a reference to genetically engineered strains of grains, DK fruits & vegetables, as in a Frankenstein-like monstrous creation produced u by a mad scientist.i     -- k Chuck Chopp1  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.219 ************************AX/VMS 6.2 and VAX/VMS 7.3.  However, I needM > VAX/VMS V6.0 in order to get from VAX/VMS V5.5-2 to VAX/VMS V6.2 from where N > I can jump right to V7.3.  Is there any place that I could download it from? > N > I have checked Phil's repository at 68.35.167.136 but V6.0 is not available.L > In addition, I would like to get the VMSU2055.% files if possible.  I haveF > the VMS V5.5 and update #1 distributions but I am lacking update #2. >  > TIA, > -- > Roert G. Sc	<0HhǇYe?́(upp6 ;3a:X度2"GB@.])+[exdJONm,VӐu^xwd%`{_8Md;%.#jq,<5=}{8'8y;ɺϭQedȈ&8&A!بP<jBjx5vsEkz
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