1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 23 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 224       Contents:P re: Accounting and Auditing (was: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refres@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers' Re: Clustering, External Authentication ' Re: Clustering, External Authentication P Re: Clustering, External Authentication (was: Re: Linux on its way out - unless   Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers Cut'n'paste and SSH2/TCPIP V5.4  DEFRAG/ZOOM/START 0 Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file?4 Re: Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file?> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 RE: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...	 Re: RWINS  Re: Support Dates for VMS 6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable/ Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS " Re: VAX Macro language and file..." Re: VAX Macro language and file...' [OT]: Secure software design and coding + Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding + Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:38:18 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Y Subject: re: Accounting and Auditing (was: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refres / Message-ID: <eXWhc.202$aF4.26@news.cpqcorp.net>   Z In article <c699i9$2grs$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:F :You were claiming that the auditing log in VMS was there with all theG :features you listed in 1984.  As I remember it, auditing logs were put ? :into VMS later and many of the features you listed even later.   H   First security auditing edits in the audit server files are from 1991.G   Accounting has been around far longer, with file creations from 1982.   E   Debates of UNIX and OpenVMS are the stuff of legend, predating most G   other threads seen here, and having been enshrined within the OpenVMS I   FAQ and having become entirely familiar to long-time newsgroup readers.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:07:32 GMT $ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 8 Message-ID: <UJUhc.1865$Wc4.7263@bcandid.telisphere.com>   Andrew Harrison wrote: > Nigel Barker wrote:   >> On 9 Apr 2004 07:53:54 -0600,? >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  >> >>D >>> In article <c516h9$33j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew HarrisonE >>> SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  >>> B >>>> JDS is a desktop OS that is designed to run Java based client* >>>> applications hence its Java branding. >>> E >>>  Another bad name.  Unless we've been lied to when told the OS on D >>>  the box is Linux, which makes JDS some layer other than the OS. >> >>F >> Don't the purists refer to GNU/Linux? Linux is the kernel while GNUE >> provides most of the commands & utilities that one actually thinks  >> of in a UNIX type system. >> > ; > Richard Stallman certainly does and he has a valid point.  > ? > Linux is mostly a Kernel packaged with what is mostly GNU and > > other non Linux OpenSource Utilites. The non Linux bits make; > up over 95% of any distribution with the Linux bits being F > the kernel, drivers, managements bits like Yast2 for this and things > like RPM.  >   J Quite true.  And if you only want to spend your time and not your money... goto http://www.gentoo.org .J This particular distro is quite a bit faster than the generic .386 code as5 you have to compile it for your particular processor.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:13:38 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>0 Subject: Re: Clustering, External Authentication/ Message-ID: <408874d2$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: 
 8< snip 8<J >   The ACME API was latent within V7.1, and is documented with the V7.3-2 >   OpenVMS release.  
 8< snip 8<  E Hoff, I have just finished integrating ACME authentication into WASD   (along with IPv6 JFEI).   H I have this statement checking the VMS version before allowing it to be  used on the Alpha platform.   6     /* if ACME available and linked into this image */8     if (SysInfo.VersionInteger >= 730 && AuthAcmeLinked)        AuthConfigACME = true;   ( Can I change it to include down to V7.1?  6     /* if ACME available and linked into this image */8     if (SysInfo.VersionInteger >= 710 && AuthAcmeLinked)        AuthConfigACME = true;    TIA.  F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au);   A pox on the houses of all SPAMers.  Make that two poxes. F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:00:09 +0200 * From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>0 Subject: Re: Clustering, External Authentication, Message-ID: <c6a4cd$ehg$1@news.cybercity.dk>  7 "Mark Daniel" <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> wrote in message ) news:408874d2$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > 8< snip 8<L > >   The ACME API was latent within V7.1, and is documented with the V7.3-2 > >   OpenVMS release. > 8< snip 8< > F > Hoff, I have just finished integrating ACME authentication into WASD > (along with IPv6 JFEI).  > I > I have this statement checking the VMS version before allowing it to be  > used on the Alpha platform.  > 8 >     /* if ACME available and linked into this image */: >     if (SysInfo.VersionInteger >= 730 && AuthAcmeLinked) >        AuthConfigACME = true;  > * > Can I change it to include down to V7.1? > 8 >     /* if ACME available and linked into this image */: >     if (SysInfo.VersionInteger >= 710 && AuthAcmeLinked) >        AuthConfigACME = true;  >   J When writing code for authentication you always have to take clusters intoL account.  A node running 7.3-2 will have to work together with nodes runningL 7.2 (At least I think so).   Thus if a user changes his password on the nodeG running 7.3-2, then the user should be capable of loging in on the node J running 7.2.  Therefore code for authentication and authorization is oftenH in VMS 1-2 minor versions before it is officially released.  It might beG that you have to change the code to "SysInfo.VersionInteger >= 710" but  still only support 7.3-2.    Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:28:28 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Y Subject: Re: Clustering, External Authentication (was: Re: Linux on its way out - unless  / Message-ID: <0OWhc.201$aF4.24@news.cpqcorp.net>   Z In article <c69939$2g56$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: : I :"Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message . :news:dMXGKKRubGkq@eisner.encompasserve.org...  M :I still think it is wierd to emphasize that QFS is an add on and VMS Cluster H :is built in.  Partly because VMS Cluster is separately licensed.  But I, :think it is time to agree that we disagree.  D   I expect the assumption is one of the depth of integration of the 9   capability into the environment and the applications.     I   Within OpenVMS, applications and system tools utilize the underpinnings J   of clustering, whether or not the ability to operate with multiple nodesF   is enabled and whether or not the application or even the programmer   realizes it.  E   All OpenVMS nodes are typically configured and operated as one-node G   clusters, and applications can and often do depend on the presence of B   clustering APIs, such as ICC and the distributed lock manager.    F   Once what most folks think of as clustering is licensed and enabled,D   then the off-node cluster (SCS) support activates.  Multiple hostsB   and the SCS traffic involved all become visible, in other words.    G :>    Up 'till your post the APIs for authentication have been separate G :>    discussion.  I don't recall when they got in as public APIs.  But ? :>    the code which shipped with VMS ran authorization through / :>    LOGINOUT.EXE or it's internal mechanisms.  : L :That did not make the mechanisms available to ISVs and did not allow peopleL :to change the method for authentication.  It looked to as if VMS engenering> :had to make substantial changes to VMS to implement the APIs.  H   The ACME API was latent within V7.1, and is documented with the V7.3-2   OpenVMS release.    F   There were certainly changes made to add support for the capability,K   but the timeframe involved has little bearing on the scale of the changes A   involved -- staffing and shipping schedules, and other customer F   requirements, and the assurance that we have reasonable certainty weI   can provide for the requirements of the early consumers of the external E   authentication API interface, well, those are rather more relevent.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:08:24 -0400 % From: "John" <hayesRMV1966@yahoo.com> ) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers + Message-ID: <5_Shc.5450$pg.1319@okepread05>   F Create a tcpip que to the ip address of the printer. In this example IH created a library called canon, to handle portrait, landscape and duplex	 printing.     = $INIT/QUE/PROCESS=TCPIP$TELNETSYM/START/ON="10.0.0.27:9100" - E  /no_initial_ff /START/RETAIN=ERROR /nodefault /library=canon canon_o    Hope this helps.  7 Or you could just use DCPS (Dec Control Print Services)    John    ) "Graham Forward" <a@b.c> wrote in message % news:cNNhc.1$pm2.6594@news.ecrc.de... K > Up until now I have run the printers of my DS10 by connecting through the L > printers' parallel ports to an Emulex print server (P3000/P4000)  and thenK > creating a LAT port.  I would drive the printers either by addressing the L > port directly, or by using a queue to address the port using /PROC=LATSYM. > L > I now have a printer with an Ethernet port of its own.  How can I tell the > system to use that instead?  >  > TIA  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:08:47 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers . Message-ID: <PSThc.164$8d4.5@news.cpqcorp.net>  L In article <cNNhc.1$pm2.6594@news.ecrc.de>, "Graham Forward" <a@b.c> writes:  K :I now have a printer with an Ethernet port of its own.  How can I tell the  :system to use that instead?  J   Please see Ask The Wizard topic (1020).  <www.hp.com/go/openvms/wizard/>G   (The OpenVMS FAQ has pointers to this and other printing topic, too.)     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:13:46 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers 6 Message-ID: <40887BDA.6FE8740C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Graham Forward wrote:  > 6 > "Joseph Huber" <huber@mppmu.mpg.de> wrote in message' > news:1qc3W$PPLV3B@vms.mppmu.mpg.de... H > > In article <f5Phc.2$pm2.7239@news.ecrc.de>, "Graham Forward" <a@b.c>	 > writes:  > > >  > > > M > > > The printer is a Xerox N40.  It can support a wide range of protocols -  > I L > > > can print to it over the network from a PC.  My question really is how > do IF > > > set things up on the VMS system to be able to access the printer > directly, N > > > rather than through an ancient LAT print server?  I'm afraid I need more+ > > > detail on HOW to set up the protocol.  > > >  > > A > > For tcpip services, one of our printer setup looks like this:  > > = > > After tcpip$config for LPD, the TCPIP$LPD_PRINTCAP.DAT in , > > sys$specific:[tcpip$lpd] or sys$manager: > > ? > > -----------------------------------------------------------  > > TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE:\ ! > >         :lp=TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE:\   > >         :sd=TCPIP$LPD_SPOOL: > > # , > > # postscript, LJ6 in room 209 (Oberlack) > > PRPS106|prps106|pr106:\ 5 > >         :lf=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/PRPS106.LOG:\  > >         :lp=PRPS106:\  > >         :rm=iws132a:\  > >         :rp=prps106:\ 0 > >         :sd=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/PRPS106:? > > -----------------------------------------------------------  > >  > > ( > > Where "prps106" is the printer name,D > > "iws132a" is the print-server IP node (our central printserver),B > > maybe the same as the printers IP nodename, if You go directly > > to the printer. = > > Create a subdirectory as specified in the :sd= statement.  > > D > > There is a utility to produce printcap interactively, just don't? > > remeber its name, I always edit the printcap file directly.  > > ? > > ----------------------------------------------------------- 7 > > $! define the VMS queue to point to the LPD server:  > > $ init/queue/start- - > >   /descrip="HP LJ6 in room 209 Oberlack"- ! > >                 /owner=[1,4]- " > >                 /retain=error-1 > >                 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT)- # > >                 /device=server- + > >                 /process=tcpip$lpd_smb- & > >                 /LIBRARY=PSDEVCTL-9 > >                 /protection=(s:e,g:r,w:w,o:d) PRPS106 ? > > -----------------------------------------------------------  > > A > > Library DEVCTL is a local library of postscript setup modules A > > for postscript printers (to select single/double sided, paper C > > source etc.). Leave off the /LIBRARY line if You don't have one 3 > > for the Xerox (only default setup in use then).  > >  > > --B > >    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/ > K > The example you have given of the queue initialisation looks exactly like L > the sort of thing I'm after.  I am using TCPware rather than the Compaq/HPH > stack.  However I have just read the relevant (LPD) bit of the TCPwareL > manual and it seems to me that this relates to allowing access to users onN > remote hosts.   The manuals are pretty poor - the indexing particularly, butH > I just want to print to a local printer.  Is LPD the right thing to be, > looking at?  I am extremely ignorant here!  B Hhmmm... Too bad you're not running Multinet here. Multinet can do things like:  + $ MULT SHOW/CONNECTION/SNMP_ADDRESS=a.b.c.d   B ...which may (or may not) show the TCP ports on which a particularA target - such as your printer's network interface - is listening, A assuming you know its IP address and assuming it responds to SNMP  queries.  4 Don't know if there's a similar facility in TCPware.  H You might try the vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip-tcpware newsgroup, but it's notF very active. Up until recently, the entire vmsnet.* hierarchy had beenG hijacked by Spanish DIVX pirates and those groups fell into disuse as a  result.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:18:58 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers 6 Message-ID: <40887D12.75BCA2CE@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  7 That's vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware, of course. Sorry    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:33:16 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers 0 Message-ID: <108h035hrj2d6fa@corp.supernews.com>   Graham Forward wrote:   K > Up until now I have run the printers of my DS10 by connecting through the L > printers' parallel ports to an Emulex print server (P3000/P4000)  and thenK > creating a LAT port.  I would drive the printers either by addressing the L > port directly, or by using a queue to address the port using /PROC=LATSYM. > L > I now have a printer with an Ethernet port of its own.  How can I tell the > system to use that instead?   - IIRC, $INIT/QUEUE/START/ON=(a.b.c.d:9100) ...   $ (Obviously, TCPIP/telnet must be up)   And print to that queue.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 15:28:18 -05007 From: "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> ( Subject: Cut'n'paste and SSH2/TCPIP V5.4. Message-ID: <40881cd2@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu>  C Has anyone else had a problem with cut'n'paste between windows into D sessions logged into different machines via SSH2?  We have a problem@ that is extremely frustrating, especially when we're logged into9 the work machines from home (all machines are VMS boxes).   H I can cut'n'paste large blocks of text without problem between different4 windows that are both logged into the local machine.  A If I try to cut'n'paste multiple lines from a local window into a A window into a remote machine I get about a line and a half of the 3 selected text copied followed by the error message:   - %CREATE-E-READERR, error reading SYS$INPUT:.;  -RMS-F-RER, file read error " -SYSTEM-W-DATAOVERUN, data overrun  H Oddly enough, I've just discovered that I can cut'n'paste multiple linesC from a remote window into a local window without error.  But when I A try the reverse process, I again get the above error.  Attempting J cut'n'paste between two windows logged into different remote machines also produces the error.   C Is there some SSH parameter that needs modification in order to get - reliable cut'n'paste of large blocks working?   A Annoyingly, I can cut'n'paste multiple lines from my local window : into a window logged into a U**x box (and also Unix->VMS).   Setup details follow:    $ tcpip show ver  3   HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 :   on a Digital AlphaStation 500/266 running OpenVMS V7.3-2   $ show sys/noproc L OpenVMS V7.3-2  on node CFAPS2  22-APR-2004 15:13:40.32  Uptime  48 22:42:05   Desktop is CDE.    --  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------H Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.+ Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center H gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html7 OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:09:23 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: DEFRAG/ZOOM/START$ Message-ID: <c698pi$4ov$1@online.de>  H DEFRAGMENT MONITOR produces a nice histogram, but a bit coarse on a big F disk.  It would be nice to be able to zoom in on a region, specifying E the starting LBN and the magnification.  Is there a way to do this?   . Would it be difficult to do as an enhancement?   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:17:38 +0000 (UTC) * From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau)9 Subject: Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file? 0 Message-ID: <c69ga2$pe6$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  H I am running OpenVMS AXP V7.1-2 and am trying to install ImageMagicK.  IJ retrieved the distribution for VMS and invoked its MAKE.COM file.  I got aP couple warnings and an outright error (file missing), and hope that someone hereO can help out.  My goal, btw, is to get the PostScript to GIF conversion utility ; working or, if that doesn't work, the PS to PNG conversion.   J First an easy one: a warning while compiling the file MGK.C.  Here's the C# command and the full error message:   T $ CC/NODEBUG/OPTIMIZE/PREFIX=ALL/WARNING=(DISABLE=RIGHTSHIFTOVR)/NAME=(AS_IS,SHORT)-6  /INCLUDE_DIRECTORY=([-],[-.MAGICK],[-.JPEG],[-.PNG],-G  [-.TIFF],[-.TTF],[-.ZLIB]) UL00:[SOFTWARE.IMAGEMAGICK.CODERS]MGK.C;1     5   if (SetImageAttribute(image,"[MGK]",blob) == False) ' ......................................^ U %CC-W-PTRMISMATCH, In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value "blob" > is "unsigned char", which is not compatible with "const char".D at line number 316 in file UL00:[SOFTWARE.IMAGEMAGICK.CODERS]MGK.C;1   blob is defined as:      unsigned char *blob;  J Does anyone know what it is supposed to be defined as, or how it should be& recast when calling SetImageAttribute?    O The second message is even easier, really just an informational, but I wondered N if there's something easy I can do to get rid of it.  It is in the file XWD.C:  T $ CC/NODEBUG/OPTIMIZE/PREFIX=ALL/WARNING=(DISABLE=RIGHTSHIFTOVR)/NAME=(AS_IS,SHORT)-7  /INCLUDE_DIRECTORY=([-],[-.MAGICK],[-.JPEG],[-.PNG], - G  [-.TIFF],[-.TTF],[-.ZLIB]) UL00:[SOFTWARE.IMAGEMAGICK.CODERS]XWD.C;1        status=XInitImage(ximage);
 .........^P %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "XInitImage" is implicitly declared as a function. D at line number 255 in file UL00:[SOFTWARE.IMAGEMAGICK.CODERS]XWD.C;1    I Finally, here's the big error: a missing file.  This is while linking the Q sharable image MAGICKSHR.EXE; it tells me that the file FREETYPE.OLB is missing.  O No kidding; it gives a path to a nonexistent device!  I checked, and no file by P the name FREETYPE.* exists anywhere in the distribution.  Does anyone know where9 I can get a copy?  Here's the LINK command that was used:   > $ LINK/SHARE/EXE=MAGICKSHR.EXE   [.MAGICK]LIBMAGICK.OLB/LIB, -  [.CODERS]LIBCODERS.OLB/LIB, -I  $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.FREETYPE.FREETYPE.FREETYPE2.LIB]FREETYPE.OLB/LIB, -   []MAGICKSHR.OPT/OPTi %LINK-F-OPENIN, error opening $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.FREETYPE.FREETYPE.FREETYPE2.LIB]FREETYPE.OLB; as input K -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation   C MAGICKSHR.OPT, btw, contains the following four lines and a slew of  symbol_vector= directives.   IDENTIFICATION="Magick V5.4" GSMATCH=LEQUAL,5,4 case_sensitive=YES  sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe/share     Thanks in advance.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:02:13 +0000 (UTC) * From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau)= Subject: Re: Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file? 0 Message-ID: <c69me5$rq5$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  ] In article <c69ga2$pe6$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>, bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau) writes: I >I am running OpenVMS AXP V7.1-2 and am trying to install ImageMagicK.  I K >retrieved the distribution for VMS and invoked its MAKE.COM file.  I got a Q >couple warnings and an outright error (file missing), and hope that someone here P >can help out.  My goal, btw, is to get the PostScript to GIF conversion utility< >working or, if that doesn't work, the PS to PNG conversion.   [snip]  J >Finally, here's the big error: a missing file.  This is while linking theR >sharable image MAGICKSHR.EXE; it tells me that the file FREETYPE.OLB is missing.   D Okay, I retrieved freetype and built its object library; many thanks( to Martin Zinser, who provided me a URL.  C Now I have link errors, undefined symbols, to be exact.  Ignore the F error in MAGICKSHR.EXE for now; these was due to the other compilationF warning I got, which found its way into the .OLB and then the sharable
 .EXE file.  D Since I'm most interested in the convert utility, let's start there.D Here's the LINK command and the error messages (there's just anotherA DCL command after the LINK command, so the option file is empty):   ( $LINK/NODEBUG/NOTRACEBACK CONVERT.OBJ, -%   [-]MAGICKSHR.OLB/LIB,SYS$INPUT:/OPT "   SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE/SHARE' %LINK-W-SHRWRNERS, compilation warnings J 	in shareable image file _ULEIS$DKC0:[SOFTWARE.IMAGEMAGICK]MAGICKSHR.EXE;2& %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 4 undefined symbols: %LINK-I-UDFSYM, 	CatchException $ %LINK-I-UDFSYM, 	ConvertImageCommand% %LINK-I-UDFSYM, 	DestroyExceptionInfo ! %LINK-I-UDFSYM, 	MagickFatalError A %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol ConvertImageCommand referenced " 	in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000090Q 	in module CONVERT file _ULEIS$DKC0:[SOFTWARE.IMAGEMAGICK.UTILITIES]CONVERT.OBJ;1 > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol MagickFatalError referenced" 	in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000130Q 	in module CONVERT file _ULEIS$DKC0:[SOFTWARE.IMAGEMAGICK.UTILITIES]CONVERT.OBJ;1 B %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol DestroyExceptionInfo referenced" 	in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000160Q 	in module CONVERT file _ULEIS$DKC0:[SOFTWARE.IMAGEMAGICK.UTILITIES]CONVERT.OBJ;1 < %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol CatchException referenced" 	in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000190Q 	in module CONVERT file _ULEIS$DKC0:[SOFTWARE.IMAGEMAGICK.UTILITIES]CONVERT.OBJ;1   B Any idea where these would be located?  Some other library, maybe?  @ Btw, the entire list of undefined symbols, in case it helps, is:  1 CatchException                   MagickFatalError 4 CompositeImageCommand            MogrifyImageCommand4 CompressColormap                 MontageImageCommand. ConvertImageCommand              ParseGeometry. DestroyExceptionInfo             PushImageList, DestroyImageList                 WriteImages. GetPageGeometry                  XClientWindow. IdentifyImageCommand             XGetSubwindow0 ListToGroupImage                 XGetWindowImage   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 11:08:24 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404221008.3ba96208@posting.google.com>   q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c663mt$pbs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > Bob Koehler wrote: > p > > In article <c65htd$jbd$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes: > > ( > >> From the Solaris ftdp manual pages. > >  > > 1 > >    Somehow I don't think Solaris is all UNIX.  > >  > 6 > It is however the dominant UNIX platform and because6 > Sun developed PAM and pushed it out to the community! > its also widely used elsewhere.  > - > The Linux desktop I am using also uses PAM.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison F > >    _I_ (me, myself, first person), have fixed ftpd that were usingI > >    different code for authentication than login was.  Any single UNIX 0 > >    not doing so does not change the example. > >   ( PAM ... PAIN in the A$$ to MANAGE ... :)   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 11:13:20 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404221013.31e57d5d@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<TOPgew6jESju@eisner.encompasserve.org>...W > In article <2p7rsSuF00QW@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>, huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) writes:  > > ? > > DECnet file-access was/is convenient because of zero admin  ; > > work, but no replacement for a distributed file-system.  > G >    We didn't need a distributed file system when we used DECnet since B >    programs could open, read, and write files over the network. H >    Something which DECnet and ISO/OSI have in their file access levelsB >    but IP doesn't.  For IP networks you have to have a an entire< >    network file system just to get that little capability.  > and with decnet over IP, you can open an RMS indexed file from; a node in the US on a node in Germany, for INPUT, UPDATE or : what ever you want ... very powerful ... COPY is quick and= easy as with proxies a simple command puts a file anywhere in + the world ... try that with garbage FTP ...    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:29:53 GMT $ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 8 Message-ID: <BaUhc.1861$Wc4.7241@bcandid.telisphere.com>   Andrew Harrison wrote: > Bob Ceculski wrote: 8 >> "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message* >> news:<c67mf7$l0$1@news.cybercity.dk>... >>9 >>> "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message ; >>> news:d7791aa1.0404211441.14cd912e@posting.google.com...  >>> A >>>> Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in  >>>> message >>> 0 >>> news:<c66bdh$rua$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >>> < >>>>> Well he may not but Solaris uses PAM and it would also% >>>>> appear that HP-UX does as well.  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>  >>> O http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=tis07674  >>> @ >>>>> I cannot be bothered to look and see if AIX does but sinceC >>>>> Solaris and HP-UX are the 1st and 2and largest UNIX platforms C >>>>> its rather safe to say that the majority of UNIX platforms do : >>>>> not fit the description you applied to them earlier. >>>>C >>>> one description they fit is they are both convuluted, unsecure  >>>> unreliable garbage ...  >>> F >>> In <c5qav1$c7d$1@news.cybercity.dk> I asked you which CERT reportsE >>> could have been avoided if Unix did not execute user programs and C >>> command language interpreter in separate.  Why don't you answer ? >>> that question in stead of trolling?  Don't you have answer?  >>>  >>> Karsten Nyblad# >>> ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com  >> >>> >> and while you are checking out the cert counts for the last? >> ten years, check out this link below to TCPware, an IP stack ; >> for VMS ... notice the few certs listed had no or little @ >> effect (access violation error) on VMS ... how did unix fare? >> > 5 > And while you are at it Bob why not reflect on that < > fact that you have never managed to justify the comparison: > of OpenVMS vs any other OS using CERT counts because you? > have never managed to explain why OpenVMS security advisories = > do not get posted to CERT reliably or even to explain where = > you ought to look for them as CERT is the last place to go.  > = > I have asked you to justify your claims or quit making them : > on more occasions than is worth recalling you have never; > managed and all you are doing now is the standard openVMS 
 > CERT troll.  > = > so I will ask you again, justify your claims or quit makingX > them.A >2 >	+ That's rich coming from a Sun troll in cov.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:30:23 +0200s* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...s- Message-ID: <c696gi$2ccu$1@news.cybercity.dk>g  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message-7 news:d7791aa1.0404220933.465a7c6f@posting.google.com...g1 > the best?  ok, first unix vs VMS clustering ...s >e> > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/Illuminata.pdf >u >'* > then how about unix/linux TCO vs VMS ... >  >oK http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/tco_clusters/TCO_WP_Feb04.pdfh >  >m > looks like VMS wins ... :)  L You are once again trying to divert the discussion.  Don't you have anythingK positive to say about the design of VMS and security?  Otherwise I can onlysE conclude that you are trolling.  Pour VMS.  With friends like you VMS   certainly does not need enemies.   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot comt   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 12:45:03 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...o3 Message-ID: <Hq1Vs0HwQZ9$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <c68i1k$17r3$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:  @ >  Security experts usually frown on security through obscurity.  )    True, but isn't your password obscure?-   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 12:50:55 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)mG Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...s3 Message-ID: <5NmxfJb+8jf4@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  Z In article <c68i1k$17r3$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: > K > VMS does not allow the users to change which CLI they are using, but Unix.J > does.  (VMS users will have to ask their system manager for changing the > CLI.)   E    Guess again.  I've switched between DCL, MCR, and the POSIX shell kE    without needing any privileges or asking any system manager.  Only 5    the login CLI is controlled by the system manager.     J > The bug you where describing seems to be due to pour implementation and / > Unix having a feature that VMS does not have.   A    It's a UNIX feature that is designed to allow some programs toP8    temporarily grant privilege to users: suid/sgid bits.  B    And you don't have to have the shell as a login shell.  You canG    login in and then run the mis-configured shell since UNIX shells are     simply user-mode programs.d    nG    And I find nothing such a PITA as a system admin who sets me up withrI    csh or bash on a UNIX system that has a perfectly good ksh, then won't-    let me change it.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 12:54:50 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)uG Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...q3 Message-ID: <nRnbESCywZwY@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  Z In article <c68l6d$1cdk$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: > M > I think we have already agreed that the zero terminated strings where a badtN > idea.  Even worse was the idea of system routines not checking the length ofK > buffers used for returning values.  However, code writting to profesional9& > standards do not use those routines.  @    Code written by many vendors obviuosly does not meet what you%    consider "professional standards".s  2 > Not true.  The security auditing logs are later.  B    Please show me a UNIX who's audit log will list all failed fileF    accesses and all successfull file access.  Then we'll look at other    items on the list.-   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 12:57:34 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)sG Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 3 Message-ID: <4+x+hCe3aQpw@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  Z In article <c68lq8$1dai$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:  J > The idea of staring a user process is fine, but much overhead could haveK > been avoided by not starting the CLI and not executing the LOGIN.COM.  In J > stead file transfers could be started right after checking user name andI > password.  I have always thought starting the CLI as an attempt to makec' > Digitals customers buy more machines.A  A    The perfomance hit on DECnet for VMS is the process startup, asC    published and well known fact.  What's in each user's LOGIN.COM rD    is thier own doing, I known you could manage to make performance 	    worse.h   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 12:59:47 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...e3 Message-ID: <Or11uNFQUne+@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  q In article <c68pbv$ngh$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> writes:i > @ > "Every UNIX I have ever used has logon implemented by at leastB > login and ftpd.  I've had to fix some of those ftpd to do things > login could do." > B > You also have said that you have used Solaris and if I recollectF > correctly HP-UX, I will leave you to work out what your posting says# > in the light of this information.u  A    You will recall from another poster that the use of PAM is noti     required in Solaris or HP-UX.  A    I'm afraid you have know way of knowing what Solaris and HP-UXc?    systems I've used, whether they predate PAM, or how they are2    configured.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 13:00:50 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)uG Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...A3 Message-ID: <libRWOQsof7e@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <c68pm6$nke$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> writes:  > Bob Koehler wrote:o >> In article <c66ar5$rnt$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes:  >> i9 >>>What was it about my previous posts that you disagreedI	 >>>with ?I >> r >> 3L >>    You claim I was technically in error, but everything technical I wroteK >>    was true.  You then invented a "new systems" aspect to the discussion  >>    which I never claimed. >> 1 > 	 > Rubbishn      See previous post.M   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 13:01:13 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...a3 Message-ID: <0DXK4Ami6Y23@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <c68pvh$nln$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> writes:- > Dan Allen wrote: > A > Well of course you can roll your own, however in.ftpd which Bob" > was refering to uses PAM.:       Don't you wish you knew that.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:22:28 +0200a* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... - Message-ID: <c699i9$2grs$1@news.cybercity.dk>i  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:nRnbESCywZwY@eisner.encompasserve.org...n4 > > Not true.  The security auditing logs are later. >aD >    Please show me a UNIX who's audit log will list all failed fileH >    accesses and all successfull file access.  Then we'll look at other >    items on the list.  >(E You were claiming that the auditing log in VMS was there with all theMK features you listed in 1984.  As I remember it, auditing logs were put intoC9 VMS later and many of the features you listed even later.f   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 15:51:27 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404221451.1116dbe3@posting.google.com>d  v Andrew Harrison <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> wrote in message news:<c68o69$n3k$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > 5 > And while you are at it Bob why not reflect on thatv< > fact that you have never managed to justify the comparison: > of OpenVMS vs any other OS using CERT counts because you? > have never managed to explain why OpenVMS security advisoriest= > do not get posted to CERT reliably or even to explain where = > you ought to look for them as CERT is the last place to go.m > = > I have asked you to justify your claims or quit making themn: > on more occasions than is worth recalling you have never; > managed and all you are doing now is the standard openVMSy
 > CERT troll.N > = > so I will ask you again, justify your claims or quit makingn > them.. >o	 > Regardsr > ANdrew Harrison   ; I just did ... if you would click on the above link for thei8 TCPware and multinet cert advisories, they clearly state< that there was no security risk or at worse access violation< error for these certs, which means they are no security risk: for VMS, which means you don't post something on cert that) is irrelevant to VMS security ... capice?i   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 15:56:32 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...s< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com>  _ "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c68ip0$191u$1@news.cybercity.dk>... 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d7791aa1.0404220435.46ba4cc8@posting.google.com...s? > > and while you are checking out the cert counts for the lastu@ > > ten years, check out this link below to TCPware, an IP stack< > > for VMS ... notice the few certs listed had no or littleA > > effect (access violation error) on VMS ... how did unix fare?  > >t0 > > http://www.process.com/techsupport/cert.html > M > Bob, you are trying to change subject.  I will not get into a discussion onoG > why there are more CERT reports on *x than on VMS.  You have had thatoL > discussion with Andrew a number of times, and I think there is nothing newL > to add.  We are discussing whether or not VMS is more secure than Unix dueL > to how the operating systems are designed, and it was you who started that > discussion, remember?h >  > Karsten Nyblad! > ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com   ; and the above link more than answers that question ... VMS g8 has had no security violations on TCPware or Multinet or8 any other IP stack you may want to port to it because it7 either is non effective or just gives that pesky littleo9 access violation error ... and the latest techwise reporta6 agains shows VMS tco easily beats slowaris and aix and8 any other garbage unix/linux/windoze os for downtime due3 to viruses, because VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS!  Capice?e   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 19:38:05 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...-= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404221838.1902b403@posting.google.com>   l bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com>...a > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c68ip0$191u$1@news.cybercity.dk>...n9 > > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message ; > > news:d7791aa1.0404220435.46ba4cc8@posting.google.com...s [...]e= > and the above link more than answers that question ... VMS p: > has had no security violations on TCPware or Multinet or: > any other IP stack you may want to port to it because it9 > either is non effective or just gives that pesky littlee; > access violation error ... and the latest techwise reports8 > agains shows VMS tco easily beats slowaris and aix and: > any other garbage unix/linux/windoze os for downtime due5 > to viruses, because VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS!  Capice?h  D But VMS does have a major disadvantage: a newsgroup in which someone@ keeps bringing up that childish; juvenile; really, really stupid5 sounding word "Slowaris". Please Bob, give it a rest.e   I said, "GIVE IT A REST!!!"R  ? Do you really think it does any good to use that STOOPID term?    B IT SOUNDS AWFUL, BOB. REALLY, REALLY, AWFUL. I'D RATHER WATCH PLANE NINE FROM OUTER SPACE, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE WORST MOVIE EVER MADE BY85 ANY SENTIENT BEING THIS SIDE OF THE ANDROMEDA GALAXY.:  : Okay, according to the Web there are even worse movies. OK  C You know those instructions on medicine bottles for overdosing thataD say "induce vomiting"? They might as well say "Have a friend say the word 'Slowaris'!  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG?HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:25:42 +0200u* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...9, Message-ID: <c6a5sa$g9m$1@news.cybercity.dk>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 6 news:d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com...) > because VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS!  Capice?C   Hahahahahahahahahahahaha  L Bob you write many ridiculous thing, but that statement has to compete among5 the most laughable statements written on comp.os.vms.T  C The late Carl Lydick wrote a virus that infected .COM files just tohJ demonstrate that it could be done.  For obvious reasons he never publishedJ it, but I have no reason not to believe Carl wrote it.  I think, writing aI virus that infects .COM files should not be that hard.  I think most .COM- programmers could do that.  A I have heard that somebody else also wrote a virus, but I have noC references.:  J Anybody can write an image file that can be executed, and thus a virus canG also write an image file.  I have myself patched TPU using TPU as image/I editor.  I have also transferred Kermit with Kermit.  Then the format was2J erroneous and I fixed the image file with a small program, I wrote myself.  H Bob, I hope you are not responsible for the security of any VMS used for something serious.   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot come   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 11:20:14 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...i< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404221020.c33466b@posting.google.com>  q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c6660p$q7g$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > ? > Nor does OpenVMS have the basic plumbing that people require,d8 > support Palms etc vi USB, support for USB flash cards,: > wireless, smart card authentication the list goes on and > on.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison   8 doesn't support palms?  you better tell all of our sites8 that are using pdas that ... we upload and download from0 and to our vms based accounting system daily ...   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 12:31:47 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)-= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 3 Message-ID: <dMXGKKRubGkq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <c68g0d$14u7$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: > N > Did VMS have clusters before V4.0?  When did the APIs for authentication andC > authorization get into OpenVMS?  You are spinning when you try to.7 > distinguish between built-in and add on capabilities.   0    Now your mixing up two different discussions.  F    VMS clusters were latent in about 3.6 or 3.7, but asking about thatC    is like asking whether early Sun OS had NFS.  Of course not, Sun E    shipped Sun OS for quite a while before they wrote NFS.  VMS ships G    with VMScluster built-in, just like Solaris ships with NFS built-in.a*    QFS is an add-on.  No spin, just facts.  E    Up 'till your post the APIs for authentication have been separate oE    discussion.  I don't recall when they got in as public APIs.  But e<    the code which shipped with VMS ran authorization through,    LOGINOUT.EXE or it's internal mechanisms.    p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:03:52 -0400c# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> = Subject: RE: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...o: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDMEJMFBAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----D > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]( > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:32 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma? > Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek .... >c >r@ > In article <c68g0d$14u7$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" > <nospam@nospam.com> writes:w > >eP > > Did VMS have clusters before V4.0?  When did the APIs for authentication andE > > authorization get into OpenVMS?  You are spinning when you try toW9 > > distinguish between built-in and add on capabilities.- > 2 >    Now your mixing up two different discussions. >sH >    VMS clusters were latent in about 3.6 or 3.7, but asking about thatE >    is like asking whether early Sun OS had NFS.  Of course not, SunnG >    shipped Sun OS for quite a while before they wrote NFS.  VMS ships-I >    with VMScluster built-in, just like Solaris ships with NFS built-in.u, >    QFS is an add-on.  No spin, just facts. >-F >    Up 'till your post the APIs for authentication have been separateF >    discussion.  I don't recall when they got in as public APIs.  But> >    the code which shipped with VMS ran authorization through. >    LOGINOUT.EXE or it's internal mechanisms.    P FWIW - PAM doesn't do authentication - PAM is a table driven dispatcher of callsP to (user) written authentication modules. PAM = Pluggable Authentication ModulesN or some such. What the modules do is strictly up to the module writer - he/she just has toTN return status according to the PAM convention. The PAM dispatcher interrogatesM the return statuses and either continues dispatching per the table or returns-J final status to the caller. It's just a way to externalize the code so theO sysadmin can control the process without modifying the code. I don't think it'saP even in the kernel but if I'm wrong I'm sure Andrew will clarify.  The auth_unixK (sic) module which ships with the OS performs the traditional password filesM authentication but is entirely optional. PAM provides externally configurablec: dispatching, not centralized authentication inside the OS.   Dant   >p   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:00:47 GMTh$ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...i8 Message-ID: <zDUhc.1863$Wc4.7254@bcandid.telisphere.com>   Andrew Harrison wrote: > GreyCloud wrote:+ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:S >> >>> Chuck Chopp wrote: >>>- >>>> Bob Ceculski wrote: >>>> >>>>' >>>>> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy'> >>>>> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message2 >>>>> news:<c5m5co$dd8$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >>>>>aC >>>>> what they are really saying is that unix/linux is convuluted, F >>>>> has no security, has cert warnings galore, has lousy clustering,C >>>>> has lousy uptime (see techwise report) and only a fool, or ini* >>>>> many cases fools, will use it ... :) >>>> >>>> >>>>F >>>> If that was what the researcher and/or the author of that articleH >>>> intended to say, then why couldn't they put it down in those words? >>>>E >>>> Some of us *have* to work with Linux and other operating systemsgG >>>> because DEC/Compaq/HP has done such a lousy job marketing OpenVMS.pD >>>> It isn't that we've jumped ship for any dislike of OpenVMS, butE >>>> when 100% of my clients dumped OpenVMS in favor of IBM's RS/6000-C >>>> and/or AS/400 systems, HP-UX or HP's MPE/ix on HP3000 systems,dF >>>> that pretty much leaves me with finding other work... and in manyC >>>> times it is Windows/NetWare/Linux. I'd really like to be doing.F >>>> work with OpenVMS full time, but those days are *over* unless I'mB >>>> willing to relocate every 3 to 6 months to chase down OpenVMS% >>>> related work around the country.l >>>>G >>>> I do agree that clustering on every other server platform has beenMB >>>> a joke. I still don't see a distributed lock manager in otherH >>>> clustering solutions to allow for concurrent access to file systems< >>>> from multiple clustered nodes.  The most popular of theA >>>> Windows/NetWare/Linux clustering solutions provide more of a ? >>>> fail-over rather than a loosely-coupled type of clustering-G >>>> environment.  I laugh everytime I see one of those other operatingO< >>>> systems being touted as having clustering capabilities. >>>> >>>i% >>> Well you haven't looked very far.@ >>>v >>> How about looking here.i >>>e> >>> http://www.sun.com/storage/software/data_mgmt/performance/ >>>h+ >>> Incedentally this is not a new product.O >>>e >>> Who is laughing now ?  >>>n >> >>C >> He still is laughing.  Like he said, he found the others a joke.  >> >>' > I think you need to re read his post.s > @ > He said he didn't find anything that allowed concurrent access/ > to filesystems from multiple clustered nodes.i >t; > He has now been shown one and his laughing days are over.a > 9 > Unless you think he has actually tried QFS ! do you ???S >T  G Maybe it's because he didn't really give you all of requirements of hisNH needs.  After all, he is the one in charge of his own projects and if heJ finds the others lacking at the time of his research, then he finds them aK joke compared to what he is currently using.  If the landscape just changedeH right after his research then the vendors will just have to wait for his next budget cycle.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 12:39:12 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...t3 Message-ID: <KPAd901M1xkK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <c68nls$mtn$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> writes:o > 9 > Does it alter the basic facts which are that other OS'sT= > do support multi-writer, multi-reader clustered filesystemsO= > and that the assumption that they don't so prevelant in the ? > OpenVMS community and well illustrated in this thread is also. > incorrect.  F    In the QFS case the OS doesn't support it, QFS supports it.  Unless?    the web site is missleading I can order Solaris without QFS.iA    You can shoose not to use VMSclsuters on a VMS system, but youX    can't order VMS without it.  >    _I_ never claimed that other OS don't support multi-access B    filesystems, someone else did.  It's a claim _I_ wouldn't make B    because I knew of 2 counter examples before you brought up QFS.  ; > And as you should also know your assumption that QFS onlyd; > supports FC-SAN based storage was also incorrect, it also'' > supports dual ported storage as well.I  F    That was not and is not my assumption.  That is what Sun's web pageH    on QFS says.  I will not be responsible for misleading information on    a Sun web site.  B > It was fun watching you struggle but since your basic assumptionC > was incorrect the discussion about MASSBUS etc was fun but hardlyV > relevant.v  H    My claim was that Solaris was 20 years behind VMS in this capability.E    Nothing you've posted changes that timeline.  MASSBUS et. al. onlyiF    came up because Sun's web page makes it look like QFS only supports    SANs.  See above.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:04:21 GMT $ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...-8 Message-ID: <VGUhc.1864$Wc4.7190@bcandid.telisphere.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:B > In article <c6637t$p6g$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison- > <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes:@ >>= >> As I said earlier your point only serves to illustrate oned9 >> of the many OpenVMS woes, your tenacity only serves to & >> make the illustration more telling. > @ >    Supporting old systems is not a woe in the customer's eyes. >o2 >    Tenacity is not a woe in the customer's eyes. >aC >    You're always so telling when you have to resort to ad homineml
 >    attacks.,  K Well Bob, that is just the marks of a troll.  If a consultant is in anotherdJ vendors newsgroup trying to drum up business, then he really has plenty ofK time on his hands.  Otherwise, he wouldn't be here.  There is one just like.J him in another newsgroup that is a M$ consultant.  He makes his claim thatK he is in there to keep things in the light of truth.  But in reality, he isrJ a troll and disrupts the newsgroup from doing what they do... helping each other with computer problems.R   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:14:27 +0200f* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...i- Message-ID: <c69939$2g56$1@news.cybercity.dk>n  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:dMXGKKRubGkq@eisner.encompasserve.org.../@ > In article <c68g0d$14u7$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:I > >EL > > Did VMS have clusters before V4.0?  When did the APIs for authentication and$E > > authorization get into OpenVMS?  You are spinning when you try toe9 > > distinguish between built-in and add on capabilities.M >C2 >    Now your mixing up two different discussions. >fH >    VMS clusters were latent in about 3.6 or 3.7, but asking about thatE >    is like asking whether early Sun OS had NFS.  Of course not, SuniG >    shipped Sun OS for quite a while before they wrote NFS.  VMS ships.I >    with VMScluster built-in, just like Solaris ships with NFS built-in. , >    QFS is an add-on.  No spin, just facts. >T  L I still think it is wierd to emphasize that QFS is an add on and VMS ClusterG is built in.  Partly because VMS Cluster is separately licensed.  But If+ think it is time to agree that we disagree.S  F >    Up 'till your post the APIs for authentication have been separateF >    discussion.  I don't recall when they got in as public APIs.  But> >    the code which shipped with VMS ran authorization through. >    LOGINOUT.EXE or it's internal mechanisms.  K That did not make the mechanisms available to ISVs and did not allow peopleiK to change the method for authentication.  It looked to as if VMS engeneringF= had to make substantial changes to VMS to implement the APIs.d   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:04:11 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: RWINS6 Message-ID: <4088799B.9162BDA4@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Alex Daniels wrote:  >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4085DDA7.269DAE67@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > > Alex Daniels wrote:d > > >-n > > > rules@telia.com (Esa Ryh?nen) wrote in message news:<101c337d.0404190015.661dca84@posting.google.com>...C > > > > I have a process (running a Java app) stuck in RWINS state. M > > > > I can't stop the process with STOP PROC/ID=xxxx and need to reboot too > > > > get rid of the process.c@ > > > > Anybody know how to stop a process stuck in RWINS state? > > > >o > > > > Regards  > > >a  > > > This may be worth a try... > > >m
 > > > STOP > > >< > > >   /IMAGE > > >n9 > > >         /IMAGE [/IDENTIFICATION=pid] [process-name]  > > > K > > >      Calls the $FORCEX system service to stop the image of the targettF > > >      process specified in the process id or process name that isB > > >      currently executing. The target process is not deleted. > > > J > > >      If you omit the /IDENTIFICATION qualifier and the process name,C > > >      the STOP/IMAGE command is identical to the STOP command.e > >iL > > This still depends on the process to exit the wait state and service the > > image exit request.s > >cE > > Remember: neither $DELPRC nor $FORCEX are something you do *TO* a J > > process, they are requests you make of a process, and the process must& > > volunteer to honor those requests. > >:F > > A process in a resource wait (RWxxx) state remains there until the0 > > resource being waited for becomes available. > G > I have certainlly managed to kill processes in RW states with $FORCEXnC > where $DELPRC has not worked. Hence why I posted that it is stillF > worth trying it.  ; Depends. Sometimes a process in that state is wedged tight.t  - Likewise for RWAST; yet there are exceptions:m  C There is a problem with some versions of WEBES on GS1280s where the D DESTA Director process leaks BIOLM and gets wedged into RWAST with aF BIOCNT (remaining BIOLM) of zero(0). (Yes we have ticket open with the CSC - they're stumped.)e  F You can clear that by using STOP/ID, then go into SDA, find the "Busy"F mailbox channels, and COPY NLA0: to those devices one-by-one until theG process dies - it causes I/Os to complete which will release some BIOLMnF and allow the process to continue long enough to acknowledge and honor the $DELPRC request.  G I have also seen some processes in RWMBX go into COM/CUR long enough tos do the same.   -- f David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:06:06 GMTM# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)e" Subject: Re: Support Dates for VMS0 Message-ID: <iQThc.163$8d4.108@news.cpqcorp.net>  k In article <8a3b834.0404212157.217df49@posting.google.com>, bhushann@hotmail.com (Bhushan Narkhede) writes:t  ? :     Can any one let me know till what date is the OpenVMS 7.2s+ :supported by HP. Is it declared as of now.o  @   The OpenVMS website <www.hp.com/go/openvms> has a support link?   (in the left navigation, among other places) with the supportr>   details, and with the Rules, Rules of Thumb, and the support@   schedules for OpenVMS support for various releases, as well as=   a link to data such as the release history (dates) webpage./  A   The OpenVMS FAQ has pointers to the Prior Version Support (PVS) A   information for various geographies, as well as answers to manya@   other questions.   If you are unfamiliar with the FAQ, you mayB   find time spent familiarizing yourself with the document and its;   contents to have some value.  <www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq>   B   As for the specific answers to your question, the details dependC   on the particular architecture.  Here are the support details fort>   the two releases that have a "V7.2" release number assigned:  ,   OpenVMS VAX V7.2 support ends 30-Jun-2004.  A   OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 was not a release that would be targeted for>,   PVS, and PVS for V7.2-2 ends 30-Jun-2004.   !   V7.2 was shipped in early 1999.y      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqaN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:56:42 GMT $ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitableu8 Message-ID: <KzUhc.1862$Wc4.7053@bcandid.telisphere.com>   Andrew Harrison wrote: > GreyCloud wrote:+ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:o >> >>> Bob Koehler wrote: >>>aE >>>> In article <c4hdit$l11$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew HarrisongF >>>> SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >>>> >>>>D >>>>> Whatever argument SCO and Novell have over who owns the rightsD >>>>> to the UNIX IP don't apply to Sun nor would it be possible forD >>>>> example for SCO to revoke Sun's right to ship UNIX licenses asE >>>>> it has with IBM and then threaten their customers because theret( >>>>> is no license between SCO and Sun. >>>> >>>>B >>>>   Hasn't stopped SCO from suing other customers over it, evenH >>>>   though earlier UNIX ownership contracts specifically prohibit it. >>>> >>>g> >>> I think SCO's argument is that the earlier contracts don't: >>> specifically prohibit them from suing their customers. >>>1E >>> But again none of this applies to Sun because there is no licensea >>> deal between Sun and SCO.  >> >>F >> Then what did Sun buy from SCO then?  From the accounts I've heard,G >> Sun was acting like they too wanted Linux dead.  But it won't happeno
 >> of course.c >> >>C > Well how about some facts to balance the accounts you have heard.  >u  I The stock market news for one area.  I could do your footwork for you andhK provide the links if necessary.  But I've already read the links suggestingbJ that not only M$ but also Sun has contributed funds to SCO.  Again... what did Sun pay for??-D I can imagine what M$ paid SCO for.  You do realize that M$ does notI contribute anything back to UCSD on their use of their code.  And why SunsI went in with M$ is going to be a historical repeat of M$ ruining Sun with$E bad deals.  I hope for Suns' sake that they had a troupe of Attorneys 1 looking everything over with a fine toothed comb.   C > Sun is by far in away the largest donator of IP to the OpenSource- > community. >-  I That may be, but I haven't seen any evidence of contributions back to thevI Linux community in regards to downloadable free source code.  That's whate+ the whole thing is about in regards to OOS.@  G > Donations range from whole office suites OpenOffice, calendaring, web G > browser components, bits of Apache, NFS, parts of Gnome and EvolutioneH > Cryptography, libraries, API's NetBeans etc etc. Plus the availabilityA > of Java through Sun's Community Source License which OpenSource D > purists may not like but sure has resulted in a lot of Linux boxes > beingoH > able to run apps that they would have no chance of doing so otherwise. >C  J So far, Java has been the only real free source from Sun.  I've heard fromK some people, just your usual hobbyist, that Sun provides no instructions ondB how to install Java properly on a Linux system.  I haven't had theL opportunity to use Linux in quite a while, since I do use the x86 version ofL Solaris 8.  As soon as I get my broadband connection acquired here in grislyJ bear country I'll start connecting to the net with Solaris instead of this) danged wormy and virus prone windows o/s.h  E > The combined donations of HP and IBM don't even get close and given A > that much of what they have donated is eminently replacable for 	 > example E > IBM JFS for which there are numerous alternatives the value of somerA > of the donations is dubious particularly if you have just had a:, > missive from SCO arive on your CEO's desk. >r  K Only if somebody was foolish enough to pay SCO anything in the first place.cK The challenge to SCO is still in place with no answers yet from SCO.  Don'tiK forget that SCO was Caldera Linux originally, and it was Caldera Linux thathF BOUGHT SCO.  Then the name change to SCO took place later.  The watersH become murky about how SCOs' so called UNIX got mixed up with Linux, butG that's how corporations work.  If anything, SCO tainted Linux code with I their own and then screamed bloody murder that Linux has stolen their IP.eJ It is now time for SCO to provide proof in a court of law.  Another strikeH against SCO is that many UNIX vendors have been selling UNIX for quite aK while now without SCO raising a lawsuit or even mentioning it.  Even NovelloK has made the claims that SCOs claims are false and that they never did sell- the IP rights to SCO.n  : > And Java is a great example of vendors double standards,C > people like IBM call for Sun turn Java into an OpenSource program4A > but show no inclination to allow their own IP out into the wild@@ > in the same way nor to allow free access to that IP, where areB > the free DB2 downloads for Linux etc etc or Lotus Notes for that	 > matter.  >n >oA > Sun also has one of the highest volume OpenSource systems based ) > shock horror probe on SuSE Linux (JDS).h  L Then Sun, by principle, should provide all of the source code if they really want to call this open source.   >s> > Its hardly suprising that Sun sometimes gets tetchy with the; > OpenSource community when some elements of the OpenSourcen@ > community ignore what Sun has done for them and start accusing? > Sun of conspiring with any one of a number of foes to destroy- > them.-  F I suppose they would, but if there were no rebuttal of the claims made" against Sun then the claims stand.   > > > What would you prefer, a vendor who donates usefull IP which: > enables OpenSource platforms to compete with Windows etc: > or a Vendor who one of many vendors providing a platform7 > on which that OpenSource platform can run. Sun is thet4 > former HP is the latter IBM thinks that Linux is a > great opportunity for GS.  >   G First I have to have a web site that shows where to get these so called K donated or contributed corrections or donations (for free) to the Linux OOSrC arena... basically the source code for compilation back into Linux.n  9 > There are lots of x86 vendors but rather fewer completen > office suppliers for example.i >o	 > Regardsi > Andrew HarrisonP   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 05:46:33 +0200 * From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable-, Message-ID: <c6a3j5$dmc$1@news.cybercity.dk>  / "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com> wrote in messagel2 news:KzUhc.1862$Wc4.7053@bcandid.telisphere.com... > Andrew Harrison wrote: > > GreyCloud wrote:- > >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:< > >>>nG > >>> But again none of this applies to Sun because there is no licensee > >>> deal between Sun and SCO.e > >> > >>H > >> Then what did Sun buy from SCO then?  From the accounts I've heard,I > >> Sun was acting like they too wanted Linux dead.  But it won't happens > >> of course.i > >> > >>E > > Well how about some facts to balance the accounts you have heard.v > >i > >c@ > > Its hardly suprising that Sun sometimes gets tetchy with the= > > OpenSource community when some elements of the OpenSource B > > community ignore what Sun has done for them and start accusingA > > Sun of conspiring with any one of a number of foes to destroys	 > > them.s >vH > I suppose they would, but if there were no rebuttal of the claims made$ > against Sun then the claims stand.  K I have to second with GreyCould on this.  What did Sun pay for?  Some of ussK will stay suspicious until Sun tells us that.  Please note that except from J SCO (or rather the old pre Caldera SCO) Sun is one of those companies that5 is first in line to be pushed out of market by Linux.y   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:53:06 +0100p- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>i8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS8 Message-ID: <3j8g80t89q2ulq1jnakaip2ds0c15j4rdd@4ax.com>  K On 22 Apr 2004 07:12:36 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bobm Koehler) wrote:   i >In article <n4bd80hohmkikmsn2spgc6d3qp041i5lnu@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:t >> fM >> Bob, if you are using a laptop it's going to be very hard indeed to find aoK >> "single keystroke" for all 48 Fn, PFn, KPn, and En keys that exist on annJ >> LK4xx keyboard, because laptops just don't have that number of keys :-) >u' >   My point exactly!  I'll keep my VT.   1 Or just an LK411 if your laptop will support it ?e   -- d4 No you can't call 911 NOW, I'm downloading my mail!    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:24:23 -0600t From: Grurp <Bogus@bogus.edu>r8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS% Message-ID: <9nrll1-0m.ln1@bogus.edu>H  I I would recommend that you use ssh instead of telnet for several reasons:9           1. Securityn<                 a. Session is encrypted (including password)H                         A. This means someone can't sniff your password.K                         B. This also means someone can't sniff your sessiontI                            and see what you are doing or see what you areiJ                            seeing unless they sucessfully set up a man in I                            the middle attack or crack the encryption. TheaI                            encryption should be strong enough (except foraI                            DES (not triple DES)) that nobody except for a E                            TLA (three letter agency, eg: FBI,NSA,CIA)mK                            would be able to crack it (in a reasonble amountn$                            of time).  O         2. With putty you can use public keys to login so you don't need to use L            a password to login to the system[1]. If you run a sister programJ            called pageant[2] you will only need to type a password once toM            load your public key into the ageant, after that you won't need to2O            type any passwords to login to the VMS box. You can just point puttyHL            at the VMS box and it will login automatically (don't forget tellM            putty to use your username by default or putty will pester you foro4            it) without pestering you for a password.  A I would also reccomend that you use linux (or other UNIX) on your I computers instead of using windows (linux by the way has free support for G Decnet) If you need compatability with MS Office you can use OpenOfficetE instead (on UNIX or windows). As for a terminal emulator, I have beenc quite happy with puttyI (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/) whenever I have been E stuck using windows to access the net (sometimes have to use somebodyeG elses computer). I use it to login into two vms accounts I have. One ishG the Deathrow Public Access Cluster (deathrow.vistech.net) and the othersG is EISNER (encompasserve.org another public access vms box (among otheroF things)). Putty works with lse, edit, and notes just fine. The PF keysC (PF1-4) are the keys at the top of the number key pad starting withrG NumLock. I can't remember if I ever had to use F13-20 but I suspect yousH just hold down the shift key and type F3-10. I use winscp (google for itI or follow the link from putty's site (you can probaly find the link undereD the links section)) for transfering stuff from windows boxes and vmsI boxes. It works quite well. Winscp is a graphical scp and sftp client. IttF is compatible with pageant too so you can use public keys with it too.    H The only TCP/IP stack I have experience with is Multinet and I have onlyG used it from the client side. The closest thing to a problem I have had E with it was figuring out how to use my RSA key that I generated usingEF openssh with it so I didn't have to type a password to login. What you6 need to do is first convert your key (ssh-keygen -e -f: PATH_TO_PUBLIC_KEY/PUBLIC_KEY_FILE (eg: .ssh/id_rsa.pub) >G SOME_FILE_NAME), upload the converted key to the "SSH2" subdirectory in < your SYS$LOGIN, and put "key NAME_OF_PUBLIC_KEY" in the file: "AUTHORIZATION" in the "SSH2" subdirectory in "SYS$LOGIN".     Grurpi         Podiarist's notes:  D [1] Other ssh clients support this too, though some may not have SSH" authentication agent they can use.  @ [2] pageant can be found on the same site as putty. I copied theC following description of pageant from the docs section of the puttys	 homepage.h  E Pageant is an SSH authentication agent. It holds your private keys ineI memory, already decoded,so that you can use them often without needing tot type a passphrase.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:42:17 -0600s From: Grurp <Bogus@bogus.edu>!8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS% Message-ID: <nosll1-em.ln1@bogus.edu>g   Bob Koehler wrote:  ? > In article <af0dc2ea.0404191402.1edcb4e5@posting.google.com>, ) > whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) writes:! >>  F >> I've been using VT's since the VT52 days and still occasionally useG >> VT420's and when I do I sure miss my Reflection. I guess you haven'tO/ >> used a good emulator, then, eh, oldtimer?;-)E > I >    Still can't find the F20 key, which I use constantly.  Right now I'mcA >    using puTTY on Windows and can't even find PF1-PF4 on a DelleF >    Latitude.  I am not going to start twisting my hands around to do* >    on three keys what my VT does on one. > I >    Not to mention what some emulators do to simple double height doubleA= >    width character sets.  (Yes, I know, some get it right).U  C I believe that all you need to do to get F11-20 in putty is to typeGF "Shift+F1-10". To send PF1-4 use the keys at the top of the number padF starting with NumLock. To send keys requiring the number pad on a DellF Latitude (I had occasion to use one a few weeks ago) you don't need toH press NumLock, you can press the Fn key and whatever key you need on theI number pad (eg: Fn+KeyPad_+). Dell has set things up so that you can turnHB part of the keyboard into the equivalent of the number keypad on aB fullsize keyboard using the NumLock key. This is a toggled action;E however you can use the Fn key like a shift or meta key to access the = alternate function of the key temporarily. The keys that have<F alternate functions when the Fn key is pressed will have the alternate$ function printed on the key in blue.   Grurp@   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:55:42 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <4088779E.514A51E3@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Bob Koehler wrote: > { > In article <4085DC34.F4C76CAD@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:t > > G > > Dunno 'bout PuTTY, but in R/2 and R/4, the F13 through F20 keys ared > > Shift+F1 thru +F10.n > G >    That works for lot's of emulators, but on my VT F20 is simply F20!i  H Well, if you dig enough, you cans till find LK45x and LK46x kb's and theF drivers to go with 'em. Not sure how much work it is to get ReflectionG to map everything where it should be, but I'm sure it must be possible.    -- v David J. Dachterae dba DJE SystemsI http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:57:35 -0500a@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <4088780F.F26A5C46@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   John Laird wrote:  > [snip] > --5 > No you can't call 911 NOW, I'm downloading my mail!l > ! > Mail john rather than nospam...   E The network is down - and I have an IP phone so I can't even call thesC helpdesk to tell them that I can't call them because the network ism down...n   Isn't technology wonderful?-   -- u David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsS http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:53:28 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS4 Message-ID: <40887718.AAAC43@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Joe Silagi wrote:  > M > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message@2 > news:4085DB82.6C36C84F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net...
 > > [snip] > > Well, yes and no.e > >uJ > > No, it does not increase the PC's vulnerability. Windows is so full of, > > holes it doesn't have room for any more. > >nD > > Yes, it adds a potential doorway into the VMS system in that nowJ > > cracking attempts can be automated by depositing a .RBS file on the PCL > > and invoking it. .RBS is associated with R/2 or R/4, and well, there you > > have it. > M > Using the Reflection Profiler utility it is possible to selectively disableeN > the ability to run RCL, RB, or VBA scripts within Reflection.  This includesE > host-initiated Reflection scripts as well.   In the last release of K > Reflection (version 11.0) we have added similar support via Windows Group G > Policies.   Similarly, the Profiler and Group Policies can be used tosK > configure Reflection so that only secure, (ie, encrypted) connections area
 > allowed. >  > Reflection tech specs:< > http://www.wrq.com/products/reflection/win/ruov/specs.html   Thanx for that.i  = By the way - when can we expect to see Reflection for Linux? p  E One of my long-time contacts is pulling the pieces together needed to0< replace Windows desktops with Linux, but he needs ReflectionB functionality as well (lots of of host-based stuff depends on it).G Between him and a couple of others I'm courting as potential clients, ImD could easily sell over a thousand seats if the price is right, a few hundred if it isn't.   -- 3 David J. DachteraX dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 13:00:23 -0700* From: le_dieu_crepitus@yahoo.fr (Crepitus)+ Subject: Re: VAX Macro language and file... = Message-ID: <b4c72b33.0404221200.4f6fa75a@posting.google.com>t  f glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote in message news:<12yhc.40164$yD1.115384@attbi_s54>... > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:u >  > (someone wrote)o > B > >>This would'nt be some sort of school assignment, now would it? >  S& > > 10-20 years ago maybe, but now ??? > % > Maybe for a computer history class.r > 	 > -- glenh lol  yes, it's for schoolE but it's more to understand assembler language than to know only VAX,d it can be useful   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2004 13:15:45 -0700* From: le_dieu_crepitus@yahoo.fr (Crepitus)+ Subject: Re: VAX Macro language and file... = Message-ID: <b4c72b33.0404221215.58cad474@posting.google.com>   m "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote in message news:<c63p5c$7hfg8$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>...s Thank you for your help,? I m trying to understand well and I feel it will take some timeM   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:38:41 -0400e# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u0 Subject: [OT]: Secure software design and coding, Message-ID: <kc6dnZu8996gghXd4p2dnA@igs.net>  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=1209&e=9&u=/zd/200 40422/tc_zd/125100     The report is worth a read.m   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:59:23 GMTa1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>e4 Subject: Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding2 Message-ID: <408877F1.8147860B@firstdbasource.com>   John Smith wrote:t  N > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=1209&e=9&u=/zd/200 > 40422/tc_zd/125100 >n > The report is worth a read.-  O Just a nit:  When posting URL's most PC-based readers like Netscape and IE willoM not wrap a URL enclosed in << >> such that they stay intact and "clickable" -e$ especially if they contain spaces...  b <<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=1209&e=9&u=/zd/20040422/tc_zd/125100>>   Michael Austin   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 02:48:09 +0000 (UTC)r7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)_4 Subject: Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding( Message-ID: <c6a059$3eb$1@pcls4.std.com>  3 Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:i       >John Smith wrote:  O >> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=1209&e=9&u=/zd/200e >> 40422/tc_zd/125100a >> >> The report is worth a read.  P >Just a nit:  When posting URL's most PC-based readers like Netscape and IE willN >not wrap a URL enclosed in << >> such that they stay intact and "clickable" -% >especially if they contain spaces...>  + PC-based readers? This is a VMS group!  :-)e  J The angle brackets make it a bit more difficult for those who extract withI a mouse by doubleclicking and pasting into a web browser since that picksp8 up the angle brackets which have to be manually deleted.         -- ' -Mike0   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.224 ************************