1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 23 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 225       Contents: A thanks from dcl.OpenVMS.org ' Re: Clustering, External Authentication   Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers# Re: Cut'n'paste and SSH2/TCPIP V5.4 # Re: Cut'n'paste and SSH2/TCPIP V5.4 # Re: Cut'n'paste and SSH2/TCPIP V5.4 $ Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions?4 Re: Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file?' How does the "Impersonator" work tcpip? > Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> RE: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek .... mounting diskette results in MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS2 Re: mounting diskette results in MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS2 Re: mounting diskette results in MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS/ Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS " Re: VAX Macro language and file..., Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost+ Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding + Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding + Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding + Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:41:25 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>& Subject: A thanks from dcl.OpenVMS.org> Message-ID: <V98ic.32630$6m4.1520740@twister.southeast.rr.com>  A A quick thanks to those of you that have posted dcl procedures at B http://dcl.openvms.org.  People are hitting the site and using the procedures.   L I know it's not the best format for posting dcl procedures but it works well7 enough for now.  Copy/paste seems to get the job done..   I The changes that have been requested, the ability to upload .com and .zip L files mainly, will require a major reworking of the skeleton for the system.J Once there are a few hundred scripts I'll look into changing the format ofJ the site.  Of course, having .com files to click on for download can cause" problems for the client side also.  K Please, if you have procedures that have been valuable/useful to you, share F them with the community.  It's easy to post.  If you've got a batch ofG scripts and don't have the time, attach and email them to me, I'll post E (when I get the chance) for you in your name.  BTW, you can also post J anonymously in case you don't want to be associated with something sloppy. :)  J Who knows, one day you may not be able to find that procedure you need butC it'll be available at dcl.OpenVMS.org.  Almost like backing up your K procedures to a safe place.  20 years from now people could easily be using  your contributions.   I Also, if you have any suggestions for documentation I need to have on the J site or if you have any notes, etc., attach and send or email me a pointer or the doc/notes themselves.   Thanks again everyone.  :)   Ken    --  Kenneth Farmer  <>< 336-736-7376 OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org  In remembrance: Wiz.OpenVMS.org    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 08:45:01 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: Clustering, External Authentication3 Message-ID: <fi2+H1dCqeo6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <408874d2$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> writes: > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > 8< snip 8<K >>   The ACME API was latent within V7.1, and is documented with the V7.3-2  >>   OpenVMS release.    > 8< snip 8< > G > Hoff, I have just finished integrating ACME authentication into WASD   > (along with IPv6 JFEI).  > J > I have this statement checking the VMS version before allowing it to be  > used on the Alpha platform.  > 8 >     /* if ACME available and linked into this image */: >     if (SysInfo.VersionInteger >= 730 && AuthAcmeLinked) >        AuthConfigACME = true;  > * > Can I change it to include down to V7.1? > 8 >     /* if ACME available and linked into this image */: >     if (SysInfo.VersionInteger >= 710 && AuthAcmeLinked) >        AuthConfigACME = true;   > No.  Although there was a system service in V7.1, it was quiteA different from the $ACM service we know and live.  $ACM showed up A first in VMS V7.2-1, but absolutely only for use by Pathworks (or $ whatever the new marketing name is).  D Those version levels for support of $ACM should be respected by all.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:58:07 GMT 5 From: brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) ) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers - Message-ID: <3F6ic.7565$YP5.658942@attbi_s02>   L In article <2k5ic.2$pE6.5108@news.ecrc.de>, "Graham Forward" <a@b.c> writes: ! L !"Z" <z@no.spam> wrote in message news:108h035hrj2d6fa@corp.supernews.com... !> Graham Forward wrote: !>J !> > Up until now I have run the printers of my DS10 by connecting through !theJ !> > printers' parallel ports to an Emulex print server (P3000/P4000)  and !then J !> > creating a LAT port.  I would drive the printers either by addressing !theA !> > port directly, or by using a queue to address the port using  !/PROC=LATSYM. !> >K !> > I now have a printer with an Ethernet port of its own.  How can I tell  !the  !> > system to use that instead? !>0 !> IIRC, $INIT/QUEUE/START/ON=(a.b.c.d:9100) ... !>' !> (Obviously, TCPIP/telnet must be up)  !> !> And print to that queue.  !> ! J !I hadn't realised one could use /ON in that way.  That is very useful for, !the occasions when I want to use the queue. ! M !Is there a way to print directly to that port (or a device name that is that  !port)?  !   = Yes; if you spool, you can copy a file to the spooled device.    !Graham  !  !   J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:16:45 +0100  From: "Graham Forward" <a@b.c>) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers + Message-ID: <aa5ic.1$pE6.4746@news.ecrc.de>   K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:40887BDA.6FE8740C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net...   <snip>   > D > Hhmmm... Too bad you're not running Multinet here. Multinet can do > things like: > - > $ MULT SHOW/CONNECTION/SNMP_ADDRESS=a.b.c.d  > D > ...which may (or may not) show the TCP ports on which a particularC > target - such as your printer's network interface - is listening, C > assuming you know its IP address and assuming it responds to SNMP 
 > queries. > 6 > Don't know if there's a similar facility in TCPware. >   H I can connect to its HTTP port for set-up programming, and for uploadingF files to print - from a PC.  All my connections to the VMS machine areJ through dumb terminals or through terminal emulation on a PC.  What I wantE to find out is how to associate the printer with a device, other than . through LAT, which has been the story to date.   Graham.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:27:18 +0100  From: "Graham Forward" <a@b.c>) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers + Message-ID: <2k5ic.2$pE6.5108@news.ecrc.de>   K "Z" <z@no.spam> wrote in message news:108h035hrj2d6fa@corp.supernews.com...  > Graham Forward wrote:  > I > > Up until now I have run the printers of my DS10 by connecting through  the I > > printers' parallel ports to an Emulex print server (P3000/P4000)  and  thenI > > creating a LAT port.  I would drive the printers either by addressing  the @ > > port directly, or by using a queue to address the port using
 /PROC=LATSYM.  > > J > > I now have a printer with an Ethernet port of its own.  How can I tell the  > > system to use that instead?  > / > IIRC, $INIT/QUEUE/START/ON=(a.b.c.d:9100) ...  > & > (Obviously, TCPIP/telnet must be up) >  > And print to that queue. >   I I hadn't realised one could use /ON in that way.  That is very useful for + the occasions when I want to use the queue.   L Is there a way to print directly to that port (or a device name that is that port)?   Graham   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2004 16:56:52 GMT( From: ka2doug@cs.commoc.sc (DL Phillips)) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers > Message-ID: <20040423125652.26979.00000169@mb-m12.news.cs.com>   Graham Forward wrote:  > M >Is there a way to print directly to that port (or a device name that is that  >port)?  >   M Well, since I asked this question here a long time ago and the group answered I it for me, I guess it's my turn to pass on the favor and add a bit to it.   O I've had consistent good luck using raw telnet and inconsistent luck using LPD. . I don't use LPD unless I have no other choice.  L I don't know about TCPware, but Multinet allows you to telnet/create_sessionL and get a device that you can set spooled. UCX doesn't. In any case, you can7 use a LTA device (without really using LAT) as follows:    $!in LAT$SYSTARTUP.COM $!...   $ lcp create port lta903: /nolog $!... # $ lcp set port lta903: /application   - $!in (where ever you do these sort of things)  $!% $!  give a generic name to the device ' $ ASSIGN /SYSTEM /EXEC _LTA903: $LASER3  $! $! you might need to do a 5 $! SET SECURITY/CLASS=DEVICE/PROT=(whatever) $LASER3:  $!, $!  set whatever settings your printer needs$ $ SET TERMINAL $LASER3: /PERMANENT -    /DEVICE_TYPE=UNKNOWN  /NOWRAP-$   /FORM /HARDCOPY /PASTHRU /TTSYNC -'   /EIGHT_BIT /NOPARITY/ and-or-whatever  $! $ SET DEVICE   $LASER3: - *   /SPOOLED=(DC425ST$PRINT, SYS$SYSDEVICE:) $!+ $ INITIALIZE /QUEUE  DC425ST$PRINT /START-  /   /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)/PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM- 4   /ON="192.168.1.112:9100" /and-or-whatever-you-need $!  2 Your settings will vary. These are just examples..   HTH     -Doug      ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:53:45 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>, Subject: Re: Cut'n'paste and SSH2/TCPIP V5.49 Message-ID: <c6alip$a0cf8$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>    Gareth V. Williams wrote: E > Has anyone else had a problem with cut'n'paste between windows into F > sessions logged into different machines via SSH2?  We have a problemB > that is extremely frustrating, especially when we're logged into; > the work machines from home (all machines are VMS boxes).  > J > I can cut'n'paste large blocks of text without problem between different6 > windows that are both logged into the local machine. > C > If I try to cut'n'paste multiple lines from a local window into a C > window into a remote machine I get about a line and a half of the 5 > selected text copied followed by the error message:  > / > %CREATE-E-READERR, error reading SYS$INPUT:.;  > -RMS-F-RER, file read error $ > -SYSTEM-W-DATAOVERUN, data overrun > J > Oddly enough, I've just discovered that I can cut'n'paste multiple linesE > from a remote window into a local window without error.  But when I C > try the reverse process, I again get the above error.  Attempting L > cut'n'paste between two windows logged into different remote machines also > produces the error.  > E > Is there some SSH parameter that needs modification in order to get / > reliable cut'n'paste of large blocks working?  > C > Annoyingly, I can cut'n'paste multiple lines from my local window < > into a window logged into a U**x box (and also Unix->VMS). >  > Setup details follow:  >  > $ tcpip show ver > 5 >   HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 < >   on a Digital AlphaStation 500/266 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 >  > $ show sys/noproc N > OpenVMS V7.3-2  on node CFAPS2  22-APR-2004 15:13:40.32  Uptime  48 22:42:05 >  > Desktop is CDE.  >   I I've had similar problems trying to paste from my Mac into an SSH window  G logged into my VMS system (both systems on a 100Mb LAN), although I've  H just tried to reproduce it and can't. I do know that when I came across ) the problem, I ended up resorting to FTP.   F No problems with remote VMS systems, but of course the speed there is  restricted by my ADSL line.   - CDE, SSH EAK, TCP/IP 5.3 - ECO 4, VMS V7.3-1.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:56:09 GMT 5 From: brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) , Subject: Re: Cut'n'paste and SSH2/TCPIP V5.4. Message-ID: <dD6ic.7488$0u6.1430609@attbi_s03>  f In article <c6alip$a0cf8$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: !Gareth V. Williams wrote:F !> Has anyone else had a problem with cut'n'paste between windows intoG !> sessions logged into different machines via SSH2?  We have a problem C !> that is extremely frustrating, especially when we're logged into < !> the work machines from home (all machines are VMS boxes). !>  K !> I can cut'n'paste large blocks of text without problem between different 7 !> windows that are both logged into the local machine.  !>  D !> If I try to cut'n'paste multiple lines from a local window into aD !> window into a remote machine I get about a line and a half of the6 !> selected text copied followed by the error message: !>  0 !> %CREATE-E-READERR, error reading SYS$INPUT:.; !> -RMS-F-RER, file read error% !> -SYSTEM-W-DATAOVERUN, data overrun  !snip!J !I've had similar problems trying to paste from my Mac into an SSH window H !logged into my VMS system (both systems on a 100Mb LAN), although I've I !just tried to reproduce it and can't. I do know that when I came across  * !the problem, I ended up resorting to FTP. !snip!   Folks,  # Google may have an answer for this:    http://tinyurl.com/2co2h  L I've seeen similar queries in the past; a more thorough search of Google mayL bring other results.  I couldn't find this in the FAQ; is this "FAQ-worthy"?  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 10:20:54 -05007 From: "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> , Subject: Re: Cut'n'paste and SSH2/TCPIP V5.4. Message-ID: <40892645@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu>  6 Bradford J. Hamilton <brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org> wrote:h : In article <c6alip$a0cf8$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: : !Gareth V. Williams wrote: : !<Problem snipped> : Folks,  % : Google may have an answer for this:    : http://tinyurl.com/2co2h  N : I've seeen similar queries in the past; a more thorough search of Google mayN : bring other results.  I couldn't find this in the FAQ; is this "FAQ-worthy"?  @   This should definitely go into the FAQ!  I Googled a number of4 variations on cut'n'paste.  Didn't try Cut/Paste :-(     Thanks for the pointer.      --  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------H Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.+ Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center H gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html7 OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:05 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)- Subject: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions? 1 Message-ID: <04042312220558@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   M I am about to endeaver back into the world of disk de-fragmenation utilities.   L Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations for products or who to avoid?   TIA!     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 12:11:53 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) = Subject: Re: Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file? ! Message-ID: <sv7+RMDvlHaZ@sinead>   1 In article <c69ga2$pe6$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,  , bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau) writes:J > I am running OpenVMS AXP V7.1-2 and am trying to install ImageMagicK.  IL > retrieved the distribution for VMS and invoked its MAKE.COM file.  I got aN > couple warnings and an outright error (file missing), and hope that someone O > here can help out.  My goal, btw, is to get the PostScript to GIF conversion  E > utility working or, if that doesn't work, the PS to PNG conversion.   J You just need Ghostscript to perform PS to GIF conversion (old versions ofI Ghostscript only). If you have Ghostscript installed, XV is also able to  8 convert your PS files  (but only in interactive mode).    6 What version of ImageMagick are you trying to build ?    Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 07:55:17 -0700 From: mb301@hotmail.com (MB)0 Subject: How does the "Impersonator" work tcpip?< Message-ID: <1d08b916.0404230655.e864c5e@posting.google.com>  D I have a four node cluster running o/vms 7.2-2 with tcpip 5.1 I have/ setup an alias on each cluster member in tcpip.   C When the users connect to the cluster alias they just connect up to C the node that's running as the "Impersonator" so we end up with all > Users using one node and the others are 800% idle.... (8 cpus)  7 It's not using the round-robin list or dynamic updates.   F I would just like to use the round-robin list. I thought this is on by default.  
 Any ideas?   MB   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:54:06 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 0 Message-ID: <c6asl0$e9l$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   GreyCloud wrote: > Andrew Harrison wrote:   >>= >>so I will ask you again, justify your claims or quit making  >>them.  >> >> > - > That's rich coming from a Sun troll in cov.  >  >   8 Well if you can find examples of claims that I have made9 that I have failed to support when pressed then feel free  to publish them.  2 Otherwise I would suggest that you follow the same course as Bob.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:56:07 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 0 Message-ID: <c6asop$e9l$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote: x > Andrew Harrison <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> wrote in message news:<c68o69$n3k$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > 5 >>And while you are at it Bob why not reflect on that < >>fact that you have never managed to justify the comparison: >>of OpenVMS vs any other OS using CERT counts because you? >>have never managed to explain why OpenVMS security advisories = >>do not get posted to CERT reliably or even to explain where = >>you ought to look for them as CERT is the last place to go.  >>= >>I have asked you to justify your claims or quit making them : >>on more occasions than is worth recalling you have never; >>managed and all you are doing now is the standard openVMS 
 >>CERT troll.  >>= >>so I will ask you again, justify your claims or quit making  >>them.  >>	 >>Regards  >>ANdrew Harrison  >  > = > I just did ... if you would click on the above link for the : > TCPware and multinet cert advisories, they clearly state> > that there was no security risk or at worse access violation> > error for these certs, which means they are no security risk< > for VMS, which means you don't post something on cert that+ > is irrelevant to VMS security ... capice?       < Since when did TCPware and Multinet become the only possible; sources of Security violations in OpenVMS and therefore the " only place that you need to look ?   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:17:05 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 0 Message-ID: <c6au04$f1p$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:s > In article <c68pbv$ngh$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> writes:  > @ >>"Every UNIX I have ever used has logon implemented by at leastB >>login and ftpd.  I've had to fix some of those ftpd to do things >>login could do." >>B >>You also have said that you have used Solaris and if I recollectF >>correctly HP-UX, I will leave you to work out what your posting says# >>in the light of this information.  >  > C >    You will recall from another poster that the use of PAM is not " >    required in Solaris or HP-UX. >   ( Sorry but you again fail to get a cigar.  : It isn't required and some older pre PAM apps don't use it7 but, login, ftpd, telnetd, rshd, rlogind etc do use PAM 9 and if you remember you stated categorically that no UNIX 7 you had ever used had a common authentication mechanism  for login and ftpd.     C >    I'm afraid you have know way of knowing what Solaris and HP-UX A >    systems I've used, whether they predate PAM, or how they are  >    configured. >   @ Well why don't you tell me which OS's versions you have used and3 then I will tell you whether they used PAM or not ?   > Just to help you out SunOS 4.x.x did not support PAM but givenA your pronouncements about Solaris that would not be an ideal most 3 current Sun Operating System to cite as an example.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:23:31 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 0 Message-ID: <c6auc5$f6b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:s > In article <c68pvh$nln$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> writes:  >  >>Dan Allen wrote: >>A >>Well of course you can roll your own, however in.ftpd which Bob  >>was refering to uses PAM.  >  > " >    Don't you wish you knew that. > @ You said login and ftpd used different authentication mechanisms% in all the UNIX's you have ever used.   > In fact login, ftpd, rshd, rlogind, telnetd etc in Solaris all$ use PAM and have done for some time.  A So the next question is which UNIX oses and what versions of them : have you used, you say that you have used Solaris and make@ comparisons between Solaris and OpenVMS based on your experience> so which version are you refering to, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4,. 2.5, 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Choose a number.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 07:20:23 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 3 Message-ID: <qnojCc7SHcLR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:    > VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS!    G    Sorry, but that's just not true.  You probably won't find a nice big C    security hole to pass your virus through, but you can write one.   I    And  I'm sure somewhere, someone, has placed a VMS system on a network E    with a major configuration error that would provide that big hole.   "    VMS just doesn't ship that way.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 05:37:07 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404230437.3c43a64e@posting.google.com>   s spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0404221838.1902b403@posting.google.com>... n > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com>...c > > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c68ip0$191u$1@news.cybercity.dk>... ; > > > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message = > > > news:d7791aa1.0404220435.46ba4cc8@posting.google.com...  >  [...]? > > and the above link more than answers that question ... VMS  < > > has had no security violations on TCPware or Multinet or< > > any other IP stack you may want to port to it because it; > > either is non effective or just gives that pesky little = > > access violation error ... and the latest techwise report : > > agains shows VMS tco easily beats slowaris and aix and< > > any other garbage unix/linux/windoze os for downtime due7 > > to viruses, because VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS!  Capice?  > F > But VMS does have a major disadvantage: a newsgroup in which someoneB > keeps bringing up that childish; juvenile; really, really stupid7 > sounding word "Slowaris". Please Bob, give it a rest.  >  > I said, "GIVE IT A REST!!!"  > A > Do you really think it does any good to use that STOOPID term?   > D > IT SOUNDS AWFUL, BOB. REALLY, REALLY, AWFUL. I'D RATHER WATCH PLANG > NINE FROM OUTER SPACE, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE WORST MOVIE EVER MADE BY 7 > ANY SENTIENT BEING THIS SIDE OF THE ANDROMEDA GALAXY.   + you think it sounds awful, try using it! :)    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 07:16:24 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 3 Message-ID: <3nFczU07Ju10@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <c699i9$2grs$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:  G > You were claiming that the auditing log in VMS was there with all the M > features you listed in 1984.  As I remember it, auditing logs were put into ; > VMS later and many of the features you listed even later.   G    I claimed VMSclusters in 1984.  I did not claim any timeline for the     audit logs.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:40:17 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> G Subject: RE: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB313B5A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Karsten Nyblad [mailto:nospam@nospam.com]=20 > Sent: April 22, 2004 9:41 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? > Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher=20  > for Dave ... >=20
 [snip ...]   > > A > It is difficult to write a new CLI for VMS without access to=20  > the sources.9 > If you copy from the sources of VMS, then you cannot=20  > distribute the source H > code.  That makes life hard to hacker, but it is also security through; > obscurity.  Security experts usually frown on security=20  > through obscurity. >=20 >=20  H Right - the common argument used by the open source community to promoteF their way of sharing everything as somehow being better than those whoF prefer not to give crooks and bad guys the blueprints for how to break into their buildings.   G The "share all our security secrets with the bad guys" concept is based H on the theory that the relatively few folks in the open source communityH who really understand kernel and driver level security have the time andF interest to constantly review and monitor the hundreds of modules that6 are constantly being updated and/or new ones released.  F Of course, it also assumes that those who do find problems will reportC them to the right people and not to the bad guys who of course only 5 share the information among their select few friends.   G The other approach is certainly not perfect i.e. a proprietary approach H depending on the experience of those who have many years experience withC the code, but imho, it is certainly better than the other approach.    Course, to each their own.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 06:24:16 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... = Message-ID: <bf98c417.0404230524.5a5bb80f@posting.google.com>   ^ "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c6a5sa$g9m$1@news.cybercity.dk>...7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 8 > news:d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com...+ > > because VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS!  Capice?  >  > Hahahahahahahahahahahaha > N > Bob you write many ridiculous thing, but that statement has to compete among7 > the most laughable statements written on comp.os.vms.  > E > The late Carl Lydick wrote a virus that infected .COM files just to L > demonstrate that it could be done.  For obvious reasons he never publishedL > it, but I have no reason not to believe Carl wrote it.  I think, writing aK > virus that infects .COM files should not be that hard.  I think most .COM  > programmers could do that. > C > I have heard that somebody else also wrote a virus, but I have no 
 > references.  > L > Anybody can write an image file that can be executed, and thus a virus canI > also write an image file.  I have myself patched TPU using TPU as image K > editor.  I have also transferred Kermit with Kermit.  Then the format was L > erroneous and I fixed the image file with a small program, I wrote myself. > J > Bob, I hope you are not responsible for the security of any VMS used for > something serious. >  > Karsten Nyblad! > ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com   9 I've tried really hard to not jump into this discussion,    D 1) as it has about six points of congruity with a troll/os flamewar.? 2) as the number of shots fired back and forth has precluded me  reading     every message.     	 Karsten-    D I've seen bits of Keith Cayemberg's post discussing "what you'd haveF to do to a UNIX to make it as reliable as VMS" post directed your way.  - Did you ever go back and read the original?     D AFAIK, the last known entity that transmitted itself from VMS systemE to VMS system was the DECnet "Wank" worm - and that was FIFTEEN YEARS  AGO.  % Fairly long "quiet period", isn't it?    Regards,   WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 09:54:59 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 3 Message-ID: <Jqqvqv7lVEEV@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <c6auc5$f6b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  C > So the next question is which UNIX oses and what versions of them < > have you used, you say that you have used Solaris and makeB > comparisons between Solaris and OpenVMS based on your experience@ > so which version are you refering to, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4,0 > 2.5, 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Choose a number.  F    Oh, wow, so now I found a UNIX system which actually might be usingB    PAM.  And from previous posts that means the system admin mightC    use PAM to pick different authorization methods for almost everyo
    component.i  B    But lets assume he's not.  Let's assmue he's actually using oneB    authorization routine for all components.  That means I have toC    publically admit that instead of "Every" I should have said "Way'
    too many".2  E    That doesn't change the simple fact that UNIX security design and e5    implementation still has more problems than VMS's.t  =    That doesn't change the simple fact that QFS is an add-on.e  D    What is does, though, is remind me that I should stop feeding theB    troll.  I need to find my wet noodle and provide myself with 30-    lashes accompanied to the following chant:r  %       	 leave Andrew in the kill file %       	 leave Andrew in the kill file.%       	 leave Andrew in the kill filer       	 ...o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:51:37 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>iG Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...V0 Message-ID: <c6bhja$lhh$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <c6auc5$f6b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  > C >>So the next question is which UNIX oses and what versions of themn< >>have you used, you say that you have used Solaris and makeB >>comparisons between Solaris and OpenVMS based on your experience@ >>so which version are you refering to, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4,0 >>2.5, 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Choose a number. >  >   : Answer the question, which version of Solaris did you use.  8 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, 8, 9 or 10.  7 Its a simple question to which you must have the answere7 and to be blunt unless you can provide it your point(s)m7 about Solaris now and in the past become at best highlyt
 questionable.    Regardsa Andrew Harrison.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC)a From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukG Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...e) Message-ID: <c6biob$7ns$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   Z In article <c68l6d$1cdk$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: >4I >"Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in messagej. >news:KsPWa8jYe286@eisner.encompasserve.org... >> >F >>    Most of the difference is in the implementation, not the design.E >>    Most security problems are buffer-overflow based, and that's anoC >>    implementation issue.  History shows lots of vendors have hadoB >>    implementation flaws opening buffer overflows.  Most of UNIXH >>    was implemented im C, where buffer overflows are trivial to setup,F >>    though possible to avoid.  Most of VMS was not implemented in C,H >>    it was in languages where buffer overflows are difficult to setup.E >>    Much of the latest work in VMS is also done in C but so far hasi  >>    avoided buffer oeverflows. >>F >>    C enthusiats will tell you that the buffer overflow problem is aE >>    compiler problem because the compilers simply use addresses forrE >>    pointeres, which C does not require.  The fact remains that the F >>    compilers do it and C doesn't require any behaviour which is not >>    implementable that way.o >>G >>    An excellent discussion of the many problems with pointers can beaC >>    found in Sun's original white paper on the invention of Java,yF >>    where the authors discuss why they did not put pointers in Java. >aL >I think we have already agreed that the zero terminated strings where a badM >idea.  Even worse was the idea of system routines not checking the length of J >buffers used for returning values.  However, code writting to profesional% >standards do not use those routines.n >eI >I cannot se that BLISS is a better language for implementing secure codeyH >than C.  You can write pour code in BLISS too.  The differences betweenG >Unix/C and VMS/BLISS is that the designers of VMS set up better coding-M >standards from the start.  Please note that the descriptors on VMS are not arI >100% certain way of avoiding buffer overflows.  If you want to be nearlyDK >100% sure that your code does not have any buffer overflows, then you needd5 >to use other programming languages than BLISS and C.i >:H >>    Many security problems can be traced to UNIX security design, suchI >>    as having only one real privilege level (either you are root or yousJ >>    aren't), and accessing it via suid/sgid bits in the file protection.D >>    History shows lots of vendors have tripped over this, shippingE >>    suid root programs with flaws that let them do things they weretC >>    never intended to do.  It's not that the security model isn't A >>    workable, it's just that it's hard to get right.  Many UNIX E >>    vendors are moving away from this, creating role-based security?H >>    concepts not tied to the file systems, and therefor more like VMS. >IL >Most of the priviliges on VMS are in the ALL category meaning that a hackerH >with sufficient skills can use then to get full control of the machine. >    That is not true.   1 VMS privileges can be grouped into various levels-     1) None: no privileges; 2) Normal: Minimum privileges to effectively use the system ? 3) Group: Potential to interfere with members of the same grouplA 4) Devour: Potential to consume non-critical systemwide resources8> 5) System: Potential to interfere with normal system operation3 6) Objects: Potential to compromise object security-' 7) ALL: Potential to control the system   5 About a third of the privileges are in the ALL group.rM Most users will probably have Normal privileges and will only have access to c- higher privileges through installed programs. M The installed programs can only have been installed by someone with powerful  J privileges and should have been installed with the minimum privileges theyN require. The programs should also have been written to only turn on privileges when they are required.   e  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University  E >>    So OK, UNIX is getting better, changing some designs and fixingcI >>    implementation bugs.  Meanwhile I've had all this in VMS since 1984E8 >>    even though UNIX had a 10 year starting advantage. > J >Not true.  The security auditing logs are later.  But it seems to me thatL >Unix has been held back by compatibility issues, e.g., one vendor could notJ >implement a better password encryption algorithm because then the vendors; >system would not work together with other vendors systems.p >, >Karsten Nybladi  >ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:21:06 +0200_* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...P9 Message-ID: <c6an62$9ler1$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>    Karsten Nyblad wrote: J > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:Y2Py54TBqxo3@eisner.encompasserve.org...: > B >>In article <c66af7$rjp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison > - > <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes:S > < >>>Of course not but since we are talking about implimenting0 >>>new systems its interesting but not relevant. >>A >>   Who's talking about implementing new systems?  I was talking:C >>   about VMS built-in capabilities vs. add on QFS's capabilities.m >> >  > N > Did VMS have clusters before V4.0?  When did the APIs for authentication andC > authorization get into OpenVMS?  You are spinning when you try tos7 > distinguish between built-in and add on capabilities.' >   D Not exactly spinning. DECnet was once a separate add-on to VMS, and G later got merged into the very guts of VMS itself, so what had been an oG add-on became a built-in. I don't think anyone could argue that DECnet s2 has not been built in to VMS for a very long time.  G I didn't get a chance to use clustering until V5, but by that time, it hG was definitely built in to VMS. You only need the appropriate licenses -
 to enable it.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:50:07 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>r= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...@0 Message-ID: <c6asdg$e9l$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:hs > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c6660p$q7g$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...( > ? >>Nor does OpenVMS have the basic plumbing that people require, 8 >>support Palms etc vi USB, support for USB flash cards,: >>wireless, smart card authentication the list goes on and >>on.  >>	 >>Regardsa >>Andrew Harrisonh >  > : > doesn't support palms?  you better tell all of our sites: > that are using pdas that ... we upload and download from2 > and to our vms based accounting system daily ...  5 Can you connect something like a Tungsten T which has 5 a USB cradle with an OpenVMS system and sync to it ??h   Regards  Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:30:47 +0100nO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>A= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 0 Message-ID: <c6aupo$f77$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:n > In article <c66af7$rjp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes: > ; >>Of course not but since we are talking about implimentings/ >>new systems its interesting but not relevant.o >  > A >    Who's talking about implementing new systems?  I was talkingaC >    about VMS built-in capabilities vs. add on QFS's capabilities.c >   7 No you wern't that only entered the discussion when yuoh6 realised that it wans't progressing as well as you had hoped.   Its called spin BTW.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 07:12:18 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)C= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 3 Message-ID: <h36bWeSlDeRc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <VGUhc.1864$Wc4.7190@bcandid.telisphere.com>, "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com> writes:  > / > Well Bob, that is just the marks of a troll. R >/9    Yes, I know.   I really should stop feeding the troll.r   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 07:13:05 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)T= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...I3 Message-ID: <+MZ128IQVw39@eisner.encompasserve.org>E  Z In article <c69939$2g56$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: > M > That did not make the mechanisms available to ISVs and did not allow peopleiM > to change the method for authentication.  It looked to as if VMS engenering-? > had to make substantial changes to VMS to implement the APIs.   $    I don't see that that's relavent.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 06:03:50 -0700- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)i= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...e= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0404230503.625e778c@posting.google.com>e  + "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:mN > I still think it is wierd to emphasize that QFS is an add on and VMS ClusterI > is built in.  Partly because VMS Cluster is separately licensed.  But Ie- > think it is time to agree that we disagree.    Verkeerde toepassing, ja?   B Marketing/Sales/Licensing versus actually software implementation.   JMOD   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:03:06 +0200 * From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...P- Message-ID: <c6b46e$1nnj$1@news.cybercity.dk>E  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:+MZ128IQVw39@eisner.encompasserve.org...t@ > In article <c69939$2g56$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:t > >aH > > That did not make the mechanisms available to ISVs and did not allow peopleD > > to change the method for authentication.  It looked to as if VMS
 engeneringA > > had to make substantial changes to VMS to implement the APIs.a > & >    I don't see that that's relavent. >uG You have been trying to put down Unix for having weak security.  But ittK seems to me that security on VMS and, e.g., Solaris develop in the same wayiI with similar features added to both platforms.  Both platforms have added K new features for authentication and authorization as the environment becamep< more hostile and as the features were needed for networking.   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 09:45:43 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)N= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...k3 Message-ID: <VuQz63ql1zKz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <c6b46e$1nnj$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:I > You have been trying to put down Unix for having weak security.  But it1M > seems to me that security on VMS and, e.g., Solaris develop in the same wayrK > with similar features added to both platforms.  Both platforms have addedeM > new features for authentication and authorization as the environment becamec> > more hostile and as the features were needed for networking.  B    You haven't shown me the security features I specifically askedG    about.  Unitl you can show them to us, we won't believe that Solaris (    or any other UNIX has those features.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 08:54:16 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)7 Subject: mounting diskette results in MOUNT-F-BADSECSYSl= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0404230754.7410e85d@posting.google.com>o  F Trying to mount a diskette on an AlphaStation 200 running  OpenVMS 7.3   gets me:  ; %MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS, failed to access or create SECURITY.SYS # -SYSTEM-F-DRVERR, fatal drive error    It mounted fine earlier today.  ? This happens regardless of whether I try to mount it /SYSTEM ord	 /OVER=ID.U  D Am I SOL, or is there a trick I don't know about to get around this?   TIAs   WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:57:05 +0100g* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>; Subject: Re: mounting diskette results in MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS', Message-ID: <c6becl$1022@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  ? "William Webb" <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in messagey7 news:bf98c417.0404230754.7410e85d@posting.google.com...   F > Am I SOL, or is there a trick I don't know about to get around this?   /OVER=SECURITY   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:28:26 +0200_, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>; Subject: Re: mounting diskette results in MOUNT-F-BADSECSYSA9 Message-ID: <c6bgbf$a2u6q$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>S  A "William Webb" <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> schreef in bericht 7 news:bf98c417.0404230754.7410e85d@posting.google.com... H > Trying to mount a diskette on an AlphaStation 200 running  OpenVMS 7.3 >a
 > gets me: > = > %MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS, failed to access or create SECURITY.SYS2% > -SYSTEM-F-DRVERR, fatal drive errord >   > It mounted fine earlier today. >rA > This happens regardless of whether I try to mount it /SYSTEM ora > /OVER=ID.p >sF > Am I SOL, or is there a trick I don't know about to get around this? >> > TIAk >  > WWWebb   Did you try:   $ mou/for dva0:   $ back/phys dva0: flopp.phy/save  , And reverse that operation on a good floppy?   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 07:25:25 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)y8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <$yuXL8l4uhO0@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  h In article <3j8g80t89q2ulq1jnakaip2ds0c15j4rdd@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes: > 3 > Or just an LK411 if your laptop will support it ?.  C    Actually, I need to find one of those to replace the PC keyboardrF    my last Alpha has.  The previous owner was running Linux and didn't    care about the keyboard.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 07:30:35 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)j8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <UDPBTMC5MUyd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   E In article <nosll1-em.ln1@bogus.edu>, Grurp <Bogus@bogus.edu> writes:e > E > I believe that all you need to do to get F11-20 in putty is to typeI > "Shift+F1-10".  B    Yes, that works.  Now when using TPU I have to remember whetherD    I'm using keyboard shift or TPU shift (aka Gold), which I have to)    access via the Latitudes's Fn key, ...P  .    It gets all fumble-fingered really quickly.  9 > To send PF1-4 use the keys at the top of the number pad  > starting with NumLock. @  A    NumLock et. al. don't seem to work for PF1-PF4 on either of my@H    Latitudes.  Fortunately I use my own keypad in TPU where I happend toF    put TPU shift on KP4 instead of the usual PF1, so I can get to most1    of my functions, but I also did use PF1 - PF4.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:01:49 +0200 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>+ Subject: Re: VAX Macro language and file... 9 Message-ID: <c6bepo$a8egb$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   6 "nospam" <x@wedontwantyourspam.com> schreef in bericht/ news:BCAE2BB8.2629D%x@wedontwantyourspam.com...aG > in article c63p5c$7hfg8$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de, Hans Vlems atu4 > hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl wrote on 21/04/2004 04:09: >g > >r= > > "Crepitus" <le_dieu_crepitus@yahoo.fr> schreef in bericht=; > > news:b4c72b33.0404200708.56cc051f@posting.google.com...m
 > >> HelloI > >> I would like to create a small program to see how to use file in VAXd > >> Macro Language.I > >> I'd like to open a file and read it line by line, print each line on 3 > >> screen and then close the file for the moment. C > >> Could you give me some documentation to create such a program?E > >> Thanks: > >/ > > ;+I > > ; Most of this program originates from the example on page 4-6 of thet0 > > ; "Introduction to RMS" manual (SIMPLE.MAR).L > > ; My extension is simply to count the copied lines and when equal to theK > > ; size of a screen to ask for a <cr>. One dirty trick: the line counter.G > > ; also serves as the one byte terminal buffer and must therefore be1 cleared4D > > ; after the $GET macro has been executed.                    hv,	 6-jul-84.7; > > ; V2 now calls $TRNLNM and removes the need to use DCL.m8 > > ; V2.1 adds support for one parameter: the filename.	 21-jan-93s > > ;- > >       .TITLE  TERM_LISTn > > ;               =========  > >       .IDENT  /2.1/s# > >       .PSECT  DATA,RD,WRT,NOEXEi > > ;               ---- > >       $SSDEF > >       $LNMDEFm > >       $NAMDEFo > >       $FABDEFe: > >       HCSIZE = 58             ;SIZE OF A HARDCOPY PAGEJ > > BUFFER: .BLKB   256             ;MAXIMUM RECORDSIZE OF THE SOURCE FILEI > > BUFF_DESC:                      ;DESCRIPTOR FOR THE TT: PRINT SERVICEo > >       .LONG   0  > >       .LONG   BUFFERG > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Should be .address BUFFER though both work but$ laters$ > on  its done correctly as .address >n >w >rJ It is not a matter of "correctly", the posted program works as advertised.J The only difference between .ADDRESS and .LONG is that .ADDRESS results inL position-independent code. IIRC that's for sharable images only and does not applyl here.uK If your point is that .ADDRESS offers more information about the purpose ofg theh& statement then I fully agree with you.E Besides, this would have been an interesting question in class if the  teacher would have spotted that as well :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:13:57 +0200c, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>5 Subject: Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's costn9 Message-ID: <c6bfg9$acdge$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>a  9 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> schreef in bericht<3 news:c687mi$8pn7e$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de...l > Andrew Harrison wrote: > > Hans Vlems wrote:a > >a> > >> "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> schreef in bericht8 > >> news:c60svh$6k0a8$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de... > >> > >>> John Smith wrote:M > >>>i > >>>>F http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/egYw0GMMYy0G6p0CUFe0AD > >>>> > >>>> YMMVo > >>>> > >>>iI > >>> Interesting given my experience with Linux. Back with SuSE 7.n, theqL > >>> networking was not only a pain to configure, but when I added an extraJ > >>> NIC (identical), it wouldn't see both. Solution: get a couple of new elJ > >>> cheapo NICs, wnd they coexisted happily. I was quite happy with that7 > >>> distribution once I'd got it configured properly..   [snip]   > >l > G > I gave up on Winmodems long ago. I still have an aversion to internalcH > modems unless they have a reset button, as you can power external ones= > off without shutting the entire system if they get "stuck".i > A > > Everything else works remarkably well, DVD reader, CD writer,i' > > USB flash cards, Palm USB sync etc.  > >i > F > I believe you, but the point Hans and I are making is that there areI > still pitfalls, upgrades can break stuff, and if we as IT professionalsoA > find it hard work, what chance do Joe and Jane Home User stand?- > H Glad you brought that up again Paul, because that's exactly the issue we wereI discussing. It is quite possible to install a product on a linux platformt
 and get it3 up and running. The two points we were making were:@  C 1-It is yet quite another thing to keep it running after an upgrade15 2-Can a person untrained in IT lore do the same thingi  H The conclusion is that a linux o/s upgrade is not upwards compatible and
 that you needd, some knowledge about the os to make it work.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:03:07 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>4 Subject: Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding9 Message-ID: <c6am4b$9qm1e$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>n   Michael Moroney wrote:5 > Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:  >  >  >  >  >>John Smith wrote:  >  > O >>>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=1209&e=9&u=/zd/200a >>>40422/tc_zd/125100l >>>  >>>The report is worth a read. >  > Q >>Just a nit:  When posting URL's most PC-based readers like Netscape and IE will O >>not wrap a URL enclosed in << >> such that they stay intact and "clickable" - & >>especially if they contain spaces... >  > - > PC-based readers? This is a VMS group!  :-)a > L > The angle brackets make it a bit more difficult for those who extract withK > a mouse by doubleclicking and pasting into a web browser since that pickso: > up the angle brackets which have to be manually deleted. >   F Well, I was going to make a similar comment, but I've just discovered D that with Mozilla on VMS, Michael's link enclosed in << >> takes me H straight there with a single click, even though the inner brackets were  highlighted.  H Mozilla also worked on John's wrapped url via copy/paste; it manages to $ take out the new line in the middle.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 08:46:12 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t4 Subject: Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding3 Message-ID: <Bva0TR$gDI$x@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  f In article <408877F1.8147860B@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: >  >  > John Smith wrote:M > O >> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=1209&e=9&u=/zd/200e >> 40422/tc_zd/125100h >> >> The report is worth a read. > Q > Just a nit:  When posting URL's most PC-based readers like Netscape and IE willnO > not wrap a URL enclosed in << >> such that they stay intact and "clickable" -r& > especially if they contain spaces... > d > <<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=1209&e=9&u=/zd/20040422/tc_zd/125100>>  K So I guess the post was for those of us using _VMS_ newsreaders where those : superfluous << >> characters provide nothing but problems.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 08:48:04 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)b4 Subject: Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding3 Message-ID: <znCxu+n+PUD9@eisner.encompasserve.org>H  f In article <c6am4b$9qm1e$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: > Michael Moroney wrote:  M >> The angle brackets make it a bit more difficult for those who extract withpL >> a mouse by doubleclicking and pasting into a web browser since that picks; >> up the angle brackets which have to be manually deleted., >> p > H > Well, I was going to make a similar comment, but I've just discovered F > that with Mozilla on VMS, Michael's link enclosed in << >> takes me J > straight there with a single click, even though the inner brackets were  > highlighted.  - That is not the case for ANUNEWS over Telnet.   J > Mozilla also worked on John's wrapped url via copy/paste; it manages to & > take out the new line in the middle.  7 So without << >> would appear to be best for VMS users.0   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:54:06 GMTc1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>a4 Subject: Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding2 Message-ID: <408949B5.47F9E11C@firstdbasource.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  h > In article <c6am4b$9qm1e$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: > > Michael Moroney wrote: > O > >> The angle brackets make it a bit more difficult for those who extract withrN > >> a mouse by doubleclicking and pasting into a web browser since that picks= > >> up the angle brackets which have to be manually deleted.e > >> > >yI > > Well, I was going to make a similar comment, but I've just discovered G > > that with Mozilla on VMS, Michael's link enclosed in << >> takes meaK > > straight there with a single click, even though the inner brackets were' > > highlighted. >e/ > That is not the case for ANUNEWS over Telnet.  >eK > > Mozilla also worked on John's wrapped url via copy/paste; it manages to,( > > take out the new line in the middle. >l9 > So without << >> would appear to be best for VMS users.!  b to satisfy everyone,  the  fix is very simple -- add a space before and after the URL. Good grief.  ` < http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=1209&e=9&u=/zd/20040422/tc_zd/125100  >  i and both types of reader should be satisfied... Although, someone on a VMS reader will need to verify foru me :)!  i *I* typically use PC's for what they were disigned to do .. be a very smart terminal.  I use my VMS boxesph for what they do best...  my SERVER. (DB, Apache, mail, and backend application development.)  X-Windowse is great but not very useful over WANs...  I even have some ISP's that block it.  So, my applicationsti typically will use a browser -- and it really doesn't matter which one.  Not to start a flamefest, but aslb we all know, no matter which one you use, everyone has to use IE for some websites, because of thei "private" extensions used by .NET etc... the other browsers just don't work on those sites...  I use whattj works - irregardless of whether I like it or not.  It just does not gain me anything to argue which one is better.M   Michael Austin   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.225 ************************