1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 24 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 226       Contents:? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ( Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers  Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers# Re: Cut'n'paste and SSH2/TCPIP V5.4  DECW DECTerm startup errors  Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors  Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors  Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors  Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors ( Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions?( Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions?( Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions?( Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions?( Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions?( Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions?( Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions?4 Re: Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file?4 Re: Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file?4 Re: Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file?5 Re: gcc/g++ compiler (for coverage analysis) for vms? + Re: How does the "Impersonator" work tcpip? + Re: How does the "Impersonator" work tcpip? > Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> RE: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... Re: Linking XV for OpenVMS4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...2 Re: mounting diskette results in MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS OT: HP and Desktop Blades  Re: OT: HP and Desktop Blades  shadowing questions  Re: shadowing questions  Re: shadowing questions  Re: shadowing questions  Re: shadowing questions , Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost+ Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 15:16:13 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0404231416.1d9b958e@posting.google.com>   v keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote in message news:<cf15391e.0404120835.6d928973@posting.google.com>...$ > Sun has cancelled the UltraSparc V  ? Gartner Group has issued a cautionary analysis on Sun after the % cancellation of the UltraSPARC V. See 5 http://www3.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=120610    Some interesting excerpts:  F "Sun Microsystems has canceled UltraSPARC V, the planned major upgradeB to high-end servers. Enterprises should seek details regarding theA company's increasingly obscure product road map and its plans for  throughput computing."  F "Now that the UltraSPARC V/Millennium project has been eliminated, theD current architecture, UltraSPARC IV, will become the placeholder forA high-performance systems until Rock appears in late 2006 or 2007. @ However, lack of specifications on Rock and the delay before itsD probable appearance create uncertainty around Sun's high-performanceE processor road map. Sun will offer UltraSparc IV+ in late 2005 as its D high-performance product, expecting its performance advances to last through the release of Rock."   D "Recommendations: Sun's current customers should demand details from@ Sun regarding the company's product road map, as well as furtherD elaboration on its plans for implementing throughput computing. TheyE should evaluate Sun's chip multi-threading, as manifested by Niagara, D as a technology for selected network-facing applications, but should> be aware that the product will not necessarily deliver similarA improvements for computing-intensive loads, as envisioned for the D yet-to-be-released Rock. Customers should not assume Rock will fullyE substitute for the highly pipelined, out-of-order execution design of  Millennium [UltraSPARC V]."    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 11:46:56 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)1 Subject: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404231046.182fffe6@posting.google.com>    Click   ; http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/21/it_professionalism/    " F Lack of professionalism and the right skills among the UK's IT workersF means that billions of pounds are wasted every year on new IT systems,A according to a report by the Royal Academy of Engineering and the  British Computer Society.  "     D OpenVMS systems are money-savers ... Who will tell it to the CEOs ? ) PS: Dont trust in the CIOs to tell this !    Regards      FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:28:12 -0700 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit 2 Message-ID: <iYidnaYh883R8xTdRVn-ig@mpowercom.net>  ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message 7 news:f30679fb.0404231046.182fffe6@posting.google.com... H > Lack of professionalism and the right skills among the UK's IT workersH > means that billions of pounds are wasted every year on new IT systems,C > according to a report by the Royal Academy of Engineering and the  > British Computer Society.  > E > OpenVMS systems are money-savers ... Who will tell it to the CEOs ? + > PS: Dont trust in the CIOs to tell this !  > H How does changing an OS fix a lack of professionalism and skills?  GivenH that new workers have no exposure to VMS concepts or operations it wouldG only make matters worse.  Course it would be a boon to oldtimers, but I K think companies would consider that to be a negative.  One does not replace K cheap workers with more expensive ones without good reason, and IT, being a H commodity marketplace now, isn't a place where the quality over quantityJ argument carries much weight.  Now if Indian universities made a wholesale shift to VMS...    Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:26:22 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit ' Message-ID: <40897BEE.1070004@MMaz.com>    Jack Peacock wrote:   I >How does changing an OS fix a lack of professionalism and skills?  Given I >that new workers have no exposure to VMS concepts or operations it would H >only make matters worse.  Course it would be a boon to oldtimers, but IL >think companies would consider that to be a negative.  One does not replaceL >cheap workers with more expensive ones without good reason, and IT, being aI >commodity marketplace now, isn't a place where the quality over quantity K >argument carries much weight.  Now if Indian universities made a wholesale  >shift to VMS... >    >  I'll finish that sentance:   .. we'd all be out of work.    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:49:53 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit 6 Message-ID: <40898F81.B083609A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Jack Peacock wrote:  > = > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message 9 > news:f30679fb.0404231046.182fffe6@posting.google.com... J > > Lack of professionalism and the right skills among the UK's IT workersJ > > means that billions of pounds are wasted every year on new IT systems,E > > according to a report by the Royal Academy of Engineering and the  > > British Computer Society.  > > G > > OpenVMS systems are money-savers ... Who will tell it to the CEOs ? - > > PS: Dont trust in the CIOs to tell this !  > > J > How does changing an OS fix a lack of professionalism and skills?  GivenJ > that new workers have no exposure to VMS concepts or operations it wouldI > only make matters worse.  Course it would be a boon to oldtimers, but I M > think companies would consider that to be a negative.  One does not replace M > cheap workers with more expensive ones without good reason, and IT, being a J > commodity marketplace now, isn't a place where the quality over quantityL > argument carries much weight.  Now if Indian universities made a wholesale > shift to VMS...   D ...there'd be the remote possibility that U.S. institutions would beH forced to follow suit at some point, but likely not until after the U.S.= VMS job market was toatlly devasted (not far from that now!).   E Just shows t'go ya: point-and-click toys will only take the future of H technology so far. After that, it's up to the REAL professionals to pick
 up the slack.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:35:53 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit , Message-ID: <4089C45B.4FDEADE6@teksavvy.com>   Jack Peacock wrote: D > How does changing an OS fix a lack of professionalism and skills?   F Forces the employer to hire real IT professionals, not just anyone whoE pretends to be a Widnows expert because he know how to run solitaire.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:33:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit , Message-ID: <4089C3CD.69D75CF9@teksavvy.com>   Jack Peacock wrote: J > How does changing an OS fix a lack of professionalism and skills?  GivenJ > that new workers have no exposure to VMS concepts or operations it would > only make matters worse.      M I was once replaced by a windows weenie who was fresh out of school and sweet M talked the boss into think he could do everything on a PC at much lower cost.   K The problem is that the "point and click" crowd along with gate,s marketing H machine and shrink wrapped software has made "anyone" an expert, and theL problem is that the bosses don't have the skills to judge the REAL IT skillsK of an applicant and they hire all sorts of windows weenies instead of older  experienced people.   @ When boss asks "how long will X take and how much will it cost ?  L Windows Weenie:s answer: 	Oh ! that si simple, I can just install SQL ServerM from microsoft and in a few hours, all will be setup. It will cost you just a  few hundfred bucks.   J Experienced IT guy: You'll need a serious database such as Oracle. You,kllL need to spend time designing tye database and software, and this will take aK few months and cost you at least $100,000.00. He'll also saythat Windows is M not the right platfor for such a project. (going against some corporate edict  to go windows only).    ' So, guess which of the two gets hired ?   K The experienced IT guys' project would have costed less and taken less time M that the MS project, but the sales pitch from the windows weenie was too good M to pass up, and the hiring person had no way to judge that the windows weenie 3 was not experiencec enough to drive such a project.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:40:43 GMT 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers . Message-ID: <fbfic.12942$aQ6.959140@attbi_s51>   DL Phillips wrote:  A (previously snipped question regarding network attached printers)   O > Well, since I asked this question here a long time ago and the group answered K > it for me, I guess it's my turn to pass on the favor and add a bit to it.   Q > I've had consistent good luck using raw telnet and inconsistent luck using LPD. 0 > I don't use LPD unless I have no other choice.  B I haven't (yet) tried VMS printing (soon, I hope), but I have done1 network attached printing from unix, and I agree.   B If the system will do both port 9100 (hpnp), and 515 (lpd), I haveA had much better luck with port 9100, especially getting raw print  to work.  ? The hpnp port 9100 opens the TCP connection, sends exactly what = would otherwise be sent to the printer on a serial, parallel, 7 or presumably USB port, and then closes the connection.   @ lpd requires other information, including the length of the file? in the usual implementation, also the name of the job and print 2 queue.  It is just harder to get it to work right.   -- glen    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:35:13 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers 6 Message-ID: <40898C11.4DE686C1@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Graham Forward wrote:  > M > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 2 > news:40887BDA.6FE8740C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... >  > <snip> >  > > F > > Hhmmm... Too bad you're not running Multinet here. Multinet can do > > things like: > > / > > $ MULT SHOW/CONNECTION/SNMP_ADDRESS=a.b.c.d  > > F > > ...which may (or may not) show the TCP ports on which a particularE > > target - such as your printer's network interface - is listening, E > > assuming you know its IP address and assuming it responds to SNMP  > > queries. > > 8 > > Don't know if there's a similar facility in TCPware. > >  > J > I can connect to its HTTP port for set-up programming, and for uploadingH > files to print - from a PC.  All my connections to the VMS machine areL > through dumb terminals or through terminal emulation on a PC.  What I wantG > to find out is how to associate the printer with a device, other than 0 > through LAT, which has been the story to date.  8 Well, that rather depends - again - on the TCP/IP stack.  D I'm fairly certain that all three of them support the equivalent of:  % $ TELNET/CREATE a.b.c.d/PORT=tcp_port    ...in one form or another.  F However, UCX's (TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS's) reverse-TELENT "stream"H symbiont does not use a pseudo-device as Multinet's and TCPware's streamE symbionts do. The queue set-up simply requires the address and target F port. For Multinet and TCPware, there is actually a pseudo-device thatD represents the target, and you can SET HOST/DTE to it if you want if that does anything for you.   C So again, you'll need to ascertain which TCP/IP stack - if any - is H currently installed on your VMS system. Then, we can proceed from there.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:44:03 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers 6 Message-ID: <40898E23.451EE99A@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > [snip]B > lpd requires other information, including the length of the fileA > in the usual implementation, also the name of the job and print 4 > queue.  It is just harder to get it to work right.  H Biggest problem with LP protocol is that the data to be printed needs toG be send *BEFORE* the control information. Thus, the target must be able G to store the entire print file in memory until it receives instructions G on how to print it. Some printers work around that by treating port 515 5 data as simply raw text, and ignore the control info.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:40:47 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers 6 Message-ID: <40898D5F.AEAC7024@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Graham Forward wrote:  > M > "Z" <z@no.spam> wrote in message news:108h035hrj2d6fa@corp.supernews.com...  > > Graham Forward wrote:  > > K > > > Up until now I have run the printers of my DS10 by connecting through  > the K > > > printers' parallel ports to an Emulex print server (P3000/P4000)  and  > thenK > > > creating a LAT port.  I would drive the printers either by addressing  > the B > > > port directly, or by using a queue to address the port using > /PROC=LATSYM.  > > > L > > > I now have a printer with an Ethernet port of its own.  How can I tell > the ! > > > system to use that instead?  > > 1 > > IIRC, $INIT/QUEUE/START/ON=(a.b.c.d:9100) ...  > > ( > > (Obviously, TCPIP/telnet must be up) > >  > > And print to that queue. > >  > K > I hadn't realised one could use /ON in that way.  That is very useful for - > the occasions when I want to use the queue.   5 That's the UCX way (TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS way).   N > Is there a way to print directly to that port (or a device name that is that > port)?  G What is typically done is to define an LTA port with no target, and set D it spooled through the queue which runs to the desired printer. ThenG either OPEN that device for output in your program, or COPY text to it. G The output gets written to a file with no directory entry and is queued > through the target printer's queue upon CLOSE-ing the channel.  G Creating a "permanent" reverse-TELNET port is another way, but requires C either a print symbiont that can handle that type of device as it's F target (usually known as a "stream" symbiont to distinguish it from anF LPD symbiont, since the protocols differ significantly), or a suitable application program.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:11:13 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ) Subject: Re: Connecting Ethernet Printers 0 Message-ID: <108j8k35ek1cc67@corp.supernews.com>   Z wrote:/ > IIRC, $INIT/QUEUE/START/ON=(a.b.c.d:9100) ... & > (Obviously, TCPIP/telnet must be up) > And print to that queue.  0 The actual statements we use (we're running UCX,2 not TCPIP on the system. hence the /proc=ucx$...):   $initialize /queue /start - 0 /default=(noburst,noflag,notrailer,form=smfont)-2 /library=hplaser4p /noretain /proc=ucx$telnetsym -" /on="10.20.100.100:9100" sys$print   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 22:46:23 -05007 From: "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> , Subject: Re: Cut'n'paste and SSH2/TCPIP V5.4. Message-ID: <4089d4ff@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu>  6 Gareth V. Williams <graff@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:8 : Bradford J. Hamilton <brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org> wrote:j : : In article <c6alip$a0cf8$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: : : !Gareth V. Williams wrote: : : !<Problem snipped>
 : : Folks,  ' : : Google may have an answer for this:    : : http://tinyurl.com/2co2h  P : : I've seeen similar queries in the past; a more thorough search of Google mayP : : bring other results.  I couldn't find this in the FAQ; is this "FAQ-worthy"?  B :   This should definitely go into the FAQ!  I Googled a number of6 : variations on cut'n'paste.  Didn't try Cut/Paste :-(   :   Thanks for the pointer.       I   Having now got home and tried it on my VMS system there, the suggestion  to:    SET TERM/HOST/TTSYNC  H doesn't help.  The home system is also V7.3-2, TCPIP V5.4 and CDE is the desktop.  F   I can cut'n'paste from a window logged in to my office VMS boxes viaD SSH2 ("office window") to a window logged in to home machine ("local	 window").   >   I can't cut'n'paste from a local window to an office window.  D   I can't cut'n'paste between two office windows (either logged into6 the same office machine or different office machines).     --  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------H Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.+ Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center H gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html7 OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:34:52 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>$ Subject: DECW DECTerm startup errors* Message-ID: <0tcic.7928$w63.7125@edtnps89>  D If I start a DECWindows (V1.2.6) session and then fire up a DECTerm C window, the DECTerm appears and functions, but an error message is   logged that reads:  $ $ type disk$usr:[<user>.dt]errorlog.  : Fri Apr 23 10:24:39 2004 - output from process id 000001C2@ -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:H -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested 	 operation @ -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:H -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested 	 operation @ -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:H -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested 	 operation K -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3):   <USER>     logged out at 23-APR-2004 10:24:47.05   F Are the MBA messages indicative of botched permissions, or some other : serious problem?  What exactly am I being "logged out" of?   Terry    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 13:06:55 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors3 Message-ID: <7ppD1c3I3lkL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <0tcic.7928$w63.7125@edtnps89>, Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes: F > If I start a DECWindows (V1.2.6) session and then fire up a DECTerm E > window, the DECTerm appears and functions, but an error message is   > logged that reads: > & > $ type disk$usr:[<user>.dt]errorlog. > < > Fri Apr 23 10:24:39 2004 - output from process id 000001C2B > -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:J > -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested  > operation   D    Probably a set terminal command in the wrong place in SYS$SYLOGIN@    or your own LOGIN.COM.  Avoid set terminal unless f$mode() is    "INTERACTIVE".   B > -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:J > -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested  > operation B > -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:J > -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested  > operation M > -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3):   <USER>     logged out at 23-APR-2004 10:24:47.05  >   D    Some process ended.  If this is killing your DECterm, check thoseD    login files.  It might simply be the end of the log when you do a    normal DECterm exit.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:15:49 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>( Subject: Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors* Message-ID: <FXdic.8736$w63.3251@edtnps89>   Bob Koehler wrote::   W > In article <0tcic.7928$w63.7125@edtnps89>, Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes:  > F >>If I start a DECWindows (V1.2.6) session and then fire up a DECTerm E >>window, the DECTerm appears and functions, but an error message is   >>logged that reads: >>& >>$ type disk$usr:[<user>.dt]errorlog. >>< >>Fri Apr 23 10:24:39 2004 - output from process id 000001C2B >>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:J >>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested  >>operation  >  > F >    Probably a set terminal command in the wrong place in SYS$SYLOGINB >    or your own LOGIN.COM.  Avoid set terminal unless f$mode() is >    "INTERACTIVE".  >  >   I Must be something else.  My SYLOGIN.COM and user LOGIN.COM files all use  C SET TERM commands, but they're located in the INTERACTIVE sections.   B >>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:J >>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested  >>operation B >>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:J >>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested  >>operation M >>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3):   <USER>     logged out at 23-APR-2004 10:24:47.05  >> >  > F >    Some process ended.  If this is killing your DECterm, check thoseF >    login files.  It might simply be the end of the log when you do a >    normal DECterm exit.  >   H It's not killing my DECTerm, but I suspect the "logged out" message and F the MBA errors have something to do with the fact that my X server is I not on the VMS system, but on a PC (Cygwin).  Perhaps DECWindows assumes  F the X server is local to the VMS system and uses some kind of session I and the MBA devices in its attempts to communicate with the non-existent   X server???    Terry    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:24:04 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>( Subject: Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors* Message-ID: <o3eic.8789$w63.1952@edtnps89>   Bob Koehler wrote::   W > In article <0tcic.7928$w63.7125@edtnps89>, Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes:  > & >>$ type disk$usr:[<user>.dt]errorlog. >>< >>Fri Apr 23 10:24:39 2004 - output from process id 000001C2B >>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:J >>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested  >>operation   I I should point out as well that process id 000001C2 belonged to the DTWM  ? process.  Presumably the 000001C3 process was launched by DTWM.    Terry    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:34:55 -0400 , From: Jim Nickalide <james.mickalide@hp.com>( Subject: Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors, Message-ID: <40897f14$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  + DTWM is the windows manager for DECwindows.    Alder wrote: > Bob Koehler wrote::  > 4 >> In article <0tcic.7928$w63.7125@edtnps89>, Alder ' >> <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes:  >>( >>> $ type disk$usr:[<user>.dt]errorlog. >>> > >>> Fri Apr 23 10:24:39 2004 - output from process id 000001C2D >>> -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:B >>> -> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for  >>> requested operation  >  > K > I should point out as well that process id 000001C2 belonged to the DTWM  A > process.  Presumably the 000001C3 process was launched by DTWM.  >  > Terry    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:33:46 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions? 0 Message-ID: <00A30CC8.78845417@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <04042312220558@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:N >I am about to endeaver back into the world of disk de-fragmenation utilities. > M >Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations for products or who to avoid?    Raxco PerfectDisk A++++    --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:52:25 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 1 Subject: Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions? ' Message-ID: <408973F9.9080409@MMaz.com>    John Brandon wrote:   N >I am about to endeaver back into the world of disk de-fragmenation utilities. > M >Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations for products or who to avoid?  >  >    > E Raxco's Perfectdisk!  I know the developer and he knows VMS, and his  H product, inside and out.  I've been using it at every shop I've had for E almost twenty years, so at least eval it before you consider others,  ; because there are some real nice features in Perfectdisk...      Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:22:17 +0000 (UTC) 1 From: Jefferson Humber <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> 1 Subject: Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions? / Message-ID: <c6c8f9$npu$2@titan.btinternet.com>   ( I use DFO, does what it says on the tin.   Jeff   John Brandon wrote:   O > I am about to endeaver back into the world of disk de-fragmenation utilities.  > N > Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations for products or who to avoid? >  > TIA! >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 17:19:55 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions? = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404231619.65831f7d@posting.google.com>   a brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote in message news:<04042312220558@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>... O > I am about to endeaver back into the world of disk de-fragmenation utilities.  > N > Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations for products or who to avoid? >  > TIA! >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com  C Perfectdisk from Raxco ... just set it AND _ _ _ _ _ _    _ _ !!!!!    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 20:25:55 -0700' From: bill@wcschmidt.com (Bill Schmidt) 1 Subject: Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions? = Message-ID: <ed08a912.0404231925.76750fe6@posting.google.com>   Z "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<408973F9.9080409@MMaz.com>... > John Brandon wrote:  > P > >I am about to endeaver back into the world of disk de-fragmenation utilities. > > O > >Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations for products or who to avoid?  > >  > >    > > G > Raxco's Perfectdisk!  I know the developer and he knows VMS, and his  J > product, inside and out.  I've been using it at every shop I've had for G > almost twenty years, so at least eval it before you consider others,  = > because there are some real nice features in Perfectdisk...  >  >  > Barry   B You might also consider Diskeeper I've used it a several differentB locations, also if you are using older controllers look at another$ product they have called I/O Express   Bill Schmidt   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 03:44:34 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> 1 Subject: Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions? 9 Message-ID: <Colic.36657$lS2.20988@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>    You have basically 3 options.  DFO (Digital/Compaq/HP)  Disk Keeper  Raxco   8 You can get demo/evaluation versions for all 3 of these.  H Disk Keeper and Raxco were willing to talk about a site license for 100+ Alpha servers.J Depending on your HP rep, you may or may not be able to get a site license quote.  :-p   
 Mike Naime  3 John Brandon <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message + news:04042312220558@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... D > I am about to endeaver back into the world of disk de-fragmenation
 utilities. > G > Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations for products or who to  avoid? >  > TIA! >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 03:03:54 GMT " From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net>1 Subject: Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions? & Message-ID: <uOkic.39$X52.19@clgrps12>  G I've been using Diskeeper from Executive Software for approx. 10 years. E I haven't had any problems with it.  Just set it and forget about it.      John Brandon wrote: O > I am about to endeaver back into the world of disk de-fragmenation utilities.  > N > Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations for products or who to avoid? >  > TIA! >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:58:16 +0000 (UTC) * From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau)= Subject: Re: Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file? 0 Message-ID: <c6bp08$q49$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  o In article <sv7+RMDvlHaZ@sinead>, pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) writes:  >hK >You just need Ghostscript to perform PS to GIF conversion (old versions of J >Ghostscript only). If you have Ghostscript installed, XV is also able to 9 >convert your PS files  (but only in interactive mode).  u  I I can't seem to find a copy of GhostScript for VMS that has this option. lI All the pointers I get are for Ghostscript without GIF output capability, # or for some other (costly) package.n  7 >What version of ImageMagick are you trying to build ?    K I fetched version 5.4.9.  The link on the www.imagemagick.org web page saysCI 6.0.0 is available for VMS, but the file doesn't exist where they said ita would be.  See:   / http://www.imagemagick.org/www/Install-vms.htmlt   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.eduu   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:45:01 +0000 (UTC)g* From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau)= Subject: Re: Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file??0 Message-ID: <c6c2ot$1n5$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  = Okay, here's an update: I downloaded a more recent release ofrC ImageMagick, v5.5.1-1, and did a @MAKE.  This compilted without any(H errors; hooray!  (Btw, for those who are new to this thread, I'm running OpenVMS V7.1-2 on an Alpha.)  E I next tried to use the convert utility to convert a PS file to a GIFoI file.  I defined a new symbol CONVERT and invoked the utility as follows:   @ $ CONVERT ULEIS_2004_101_2004_105.PS ULEIS_2004_101_2004_105.GIFK %DCL-W-NOCOMD, no command on line - reenter with alphabetic first characteriK %DCL-W-NOCOMD, no command on line - reenter with alphabetic first character-N _uleis$dkc0:[software.imagemagick.utilities]convert.exe;1: Postscript delegate# failed [no such file or directory].   A Does anyone have a suggestion what this means, and how I would go 4 about correcting it?  Thanks, and enjoy the weekend.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.eduh   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:14:18 -0400 . From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart-nospam@gce.com>= Subject: Re: Error making ImageMagicK, where is missing file?s4 Message-ID: <4089bfcb$0$28924$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>   Lawrence Bleau wrote:-? > Okay, here's an update: I downloaded a more recent release ofeE > ImageMagick, v5.5.1-1, and did a @MAKE.  This compilted without anydJ > errors; hooray!  (Btw, for those who are new to this thread, I'm running > OpenVMS V7.1-2 on an Alpha.) > G > I next tried to use the convert utility to convert a PS file to a GIF1K > file.  I defined a new symbol CONVERT and invoked the utility as follows:a > B > $ CONVERT ULEIS_2004_101_2004_105.PS ULEIS_2004_101_2004_105.GIFM > %DCL-W-NOCOMD, no command on line - reenter with alphabetic first characternM > %DCL-W-NOCOMD, no command on line - reenter with alphabetic first characterdP > _uleis$dkc0:[software.imagemagick.utilities]convert.exe;1: Postscript delegate% > failed [no such file or directory].n > C > Does anyone have a suggestion what this means, and how I would goi6 > about correcting it?  Thanks, and enjoy the weekend. >  > Lawrence Bleau > University of Maryland$ > Physics Dept., Space Physics Group > 301-405-6223 > bleau@umtof.umd.eduR: Did you ensure the DCL convert verb did not interfere with your new definition?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:19:59 -0400h- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>r> Subject: Re: gcc/g++ compiler (for coverage analysis) for vms?1 Message-ID: <e6ydnYUc5N_v5xTdRVn-ig@adelphia.com>    Morten Jagd Christensen wrote: > Hi all > 8 > I am developing an automated testframework for module 9 > testing on a vms based platform. As part of this effortb" > I want to collect coverage data. > C > I have tried the PCA profiler but it has a few shortcomings. For  5 > example I want a report per source file where I cand@ > see the lines covered and the lines not covered, but PCA gives( > this kind of report per function only!   <snip>  F Getting coverage reports down to a source code line probably requires D modifying the compiler to generate a logging instruction after each A line, and this can significantly impact the running speed of the lG program.  Also the results will be significantly different between the 4  optimize or non-optimized build.  G  From looking at the optimized output of the HP/COMPAQ/DECC C compiler  I for Alpha, there are many lines of assembly code that may share multiple   source lines as their parent.2  G > Any hints (links, emails etc.) on how to do this will be appreciated.    If this is Alpha:   0 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/dcpi/  F I do not know if it it will give you what you want, but check it out. 6 It appears to provide a lot more detail than PCA does.   -Johnn wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlye   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:22:29 -0500 * From: "Jim" <jim.nospam.gould@charter.net>4 Subject: Re: How does the "Impersonator" work tcpip?- Message-ID: <c6bqdq$bhk$1@news.doit.wisc.edu>l  I The "impersonator solutions" does only allow connection to one node untilpL that node drops out, then it will pick another node.  We have been down thisC road with our cluster and had to scrap that solution.  Choices are:r  K DNS round robin.  This works but watch out for Win2000 and XP machines thati
 cache DNS.  G A content switch.  A piece of hardware that can load share IP addressesRJ based on many criterea including network traffic or number of connections. (Very expensive)) "MB" <mb301@hotmail.com> wrote in messageO6 news:1d08b916.0404230655.e864c5e@posting.google.com...F > I have a four node cluster running o/vms 7.2-2 with tcpip 5.1 I have1 > setup an alias on each cluster member in tcpip.  >oE > When the users connect to the cluster alias they just connect up to E > the node that's running as the "Impersonator" so we end up with alli@ > Users using one node and the others are 800% idle.... (8 cpus) >t9 > It's not using the round-robin list or dynamic updates.o >iH > I would just like to use the round-robin list. I thought this is on by
 > default. >n > Any ideas? >e > MB   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:21:14 +0000 (UTC)e1 From: Jefferson Humber <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk>e4 Subject: Re: How does the "Impersonator" work tcpip?/ Message-ID: <c6c8da$npu$1@titan.btinternet.com>7  F If you use TCP/IP v.5.4 you can also DNS load balance with a Metric & @ Broker running on each node in the cluster, you must be able to " dynamically update the DNS though.  ; Seems to work well, we have been using it for 4 months now.w   Jeff  
 Jim wrote:K > The "impersonator solutions" does only allow connection to one node untilsN > that node drops out, then it will pick another node.  We have been down thisE > road with our cluster and had to scrap that solution.  Choices are:  > M > DNS round robin.  This works but watch out for Win2000 and XP machines thath > cache DNS. > I > A content switch.  A piece of hardware that can load share IP addresseskL > based on many criterea including network traffic or number of connections. > (Very expensive)+ > "MB" <mb301@hotmail.com> wrote in message18 > news:1d08b916.0404230655.e864c5e@posting.google.com... > F >>I have a four node cluster running o/vms 7.2-2 with tcpip 5.1 I have1 >>setup an alias on each cluster member in tcpip.d >>E >>When the users connect to the cluster alias they just connect up to E >>the node that's running as the "Impersonator" so we end up with allP@ >>Users using one node and the others are 800% idle.... (8 cpus) >>9 >>It's not using the round-robin list or dynamic updates.4 >>H >>I would just like to use the round-robin list. I thought this is on by
 >>default. >> >>Any ideas? >> >>MB >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:17:01 GMTn5 From: brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org (Bradford J. Hamilton)hG Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...a. Message-ID: <x4dic.12493$aQ6.937383@attbi_s51>   In article <c6bhja$lhh$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: !Bob Koehler wrote:s !> In article <c6auc5$f6b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:e !> l !> sD !>>So the next question is which UNIX oses and what versions of them= !>>have you used, you say that you have used Solaris and make C !>>comparisons between Solaris and OpenVMS based on your experienceiA !>>so which version are you refering to, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4,e1 !>>2.5, 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Choose a number.h !> o !> s !i; !Answer the question, which version of Solaris did you use.t  : "If you don't answer the question, we'll have to gag you!"   "What question?"   "Gag him!!"o  K We now return you to your regulalrly scheduled troll-baiting and flaming...u !snip!  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"wK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' .0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:11:42 -0500e@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 6 Message-ID: <4089868E.1BCE2716@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote:t > u > spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0404221838.1902b403@posting.google.com>...sp > > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com>...e > > > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c68ip0$191u$1@news.cybercity.dk>...7= > > > > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message ? > > > > news:d7791aa1.0404220435.46ba4cc8@posting.google.com...w
 > >  [...]@ > > > and the above link more than answers that question ... VMS> > > > has had no security violations on TCPware or Multinet or> > > > any other IP stack you may want to port to it because it= > > > either is non effective or just gives that pesky littleb? > > > access violation error ... and the latest techwise reportn< > > > agains shows VMS tco easily beats slowaris and aix and> > > > any other garbage unix/linux/windoze os for downtime due9 > > > to viruses, because VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS!  Capice?  > >oH > > But VMS does have a major disadvantage: a newsgroup in which someoneD > > keeps bringing up that childish; juvenile; really, really stupid9 > > sounding word "Slowaris". Please Bob, give it a rest.  > >r > > I said, "GIVE IT A REST!!!"r > >lB > > Do you really think it does any good to use that STOOPID term? > >nF > > IT SOUNDS AWFUL, BOB. REALLY, REALLY, AWFUL. I'D RATHER WATCH PLANI > > NINE FROM OUTER SPACE, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE WORST MOVIE EVER MADE BYe9 > > ANY SENTIENT BEING THIS SIDE OF THE ANDROMEDA GALAXY.h > - > you think it sounds awful, try using it! :)o  D I have used the 32-bit Solaris - it's no worse than OpenVMS-VAX on aF similar-speed machine. In some ways, it's actually quite a bit faster.  F What seems to slow it (or *ANY* UN*X) down quite a bit is having to goG through so many layers of shell scripts and database interfaces to make + up for the lack of a decent CLI and/or RMS.n  " GUIs? *SPUT* Don't get me started!   -- r David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:27:28 -0500a@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...h6 Message-ID: <40898A40.A9B079F0@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote:i > [snip]8 > agains shows VMS tco easily beats slowaris and aix and: > any other garbage unix/linux/windoze os for downtime due5 > to viruses, because VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS!  Capice?c   Um, Bob?  F D'ya ever get anything from DEC / Compaq / hp called a "Security MUP"? Do you know why?  E D'ya ever see folks leave the EXITs off the end of their DCL proc.'s?a= (Does the APPEND verb ring a bell? ...how 'bout OPEN/APPEND?)c  E It may take a major effort to break into VMS, but once you do, if younC know VMS, and if you know how to acquire privileges illicitly (yes,oH dear, it *IS* possible! ...and sometimes, not even necessary!), then VMS+ can be just as vulnerable as any other o.s.l  H The fact that VMS lacks applications and SIPs with security holes as bigG as the ones typically found in Micro$hit does *NOT* mean that VMS CAN'T H be hacked, compromised or infected, it just means that a great deal more effort is required to do it.  F Even bullet-proof vests can be penetrated by armor-piercing ordinance.   -- P David J. DachteraD dba DJE Systems6 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/P   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 14:56:47 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...n= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0404231356.40ab12ba@posting.google.com>   m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0404230437.3c43a64e@posting.google.com>...'u > spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0404221838.1902b403@posting.google.com>...ep > > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com>...e > > > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c68ip0$191u$1@news.cybercity.dk>...c= > > > > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagen? > > > > news:d7791aa1.0404220435.46ba4cc8@posting.google.com...n >  [...]A > > > and the above link more than answers that question ... VMS t> > > > has had no security violations on TCPware or Multinet or> > > > any other IP stack you may want to port to it because it= > > > either is non effective or just gives that pesky littleo? > > > access violation error ... and the latest techwise reportr< > > > agains shows VMS tco easily beats slowaris and aix and> > > > any other garbage unix/linux/windoze os for downtime due9 > > > to viruses, because VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS!  Capice?n  C Is that really how you spell "kah-peesh"? I have yet to see it in atC dictionary. If anyone knows the "correct" spelling, please post it.i Thanks.u   > > H > > But VMS does have a major disadvantage: a newsgroup in which someoneD > > keeps bringing up that childish; juvenile; really, really stupid9 > > sounding word "Slowaris". Please Bob, give it a rest.y > >  > > I said, "GIVE IT A REST!!!"  > > C > > Do you really think it does any good to use that STOOPID term? - > > F > > IT SOUNDS AWFUL, BOB. REALLY, REALLY, AWFUL. I'D RATHER WATCH PLANI > > NINE FROM OUTER SPACE, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE WORST MOVIE EVER MADE BY 9 > > ANY SENTIENT BEING THIS SIDE OF THE ANDROMEDA GALAXY.  > - > you think it sounds awful, try using it! :)s  1 It sounds beyond awful. And I have used Solaris.    A My point is that you'll come across better if you stop using that D awful-sounding name. OTOH, I wonder who's really reading this thread$ anymore besides its own posters. (!)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:53:40 +0200g* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...p, Message-ID: <c6c39b$2qa$1@news.cybercity.dk>  ? "William Webb" <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in messagea7 news:bf98c417.0404230524.5a5bb80f@posting.google.com.../  
 > Karsten- >fF > I've seen bits of Keith Cayemberg's post discussing "what you'd haveH > to do to a UNIX to make it as reliable as VMS" post directed your way. >d- > Did you ever go back and read the original?.  6 I am writing based on the version Bob Ceculski posted.  F > AFAIK, the last known entity that transmitted itself from VMS systemG > to VMS system was the DECnet "Wank" worm - and that was FIFTEEN YEARSs > AGO. > ' > Fairly long "quiet period", isn't it?u >l
 > Regards, >  > WWWebb  F Indeed.  However, Bob was claiming that VMS could not be attacked withF viruses.  A virus is not a worm.  I do not know of any general purposeL operating system that cannot be attacked with viruses and Trojan horses.  IfC Bob had written that VMS could not be attacked with worms, then his=1 statement would have been rash but not ridicules.n   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:34:06 -0400.' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>CG Subject: RE: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB313BDB@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Karsten Nyblad [mailto:nospam@nospam.com]=20 > Sent: April 23, 2004 5:54 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como? > Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher=20i > for Dave ... >=20 >=20A > "William Webb" <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in messagee9 > news:bf98c417.0404230524.5a5bb80f@posting.google.com...i >=20 > > Karsten- > >eH > > I've seen bits of Keith Cayemberg's post discussing "what you'd have: > > to do to a UNIX to make it as reliable as VMS" post=20 > directed your way. > >a/ > > Did you ever go back and read the original?b >=208 > I am writing based on the version Bob Ceculski posted. >=20H > > AFAIK, the last known entity that transmitted itself from VMS system> > > to VMS system was the DECnet "Wank" worm - and that was=20 > FIFTEEN YEARSe > > AGO. > >r) > > Fairly long "quiet period", isn't it?  > >m > > Regards, > >y
 > > WWWebb >=20H > Indeed.  However, Bob was claiming that VMS could not be attacked withH > viruses.  A virus is not a worm.  I do not know of any general purpose> > operating system that cannot be attacked with viruses and=20 > Trojan horses.  IfE > Bob had written that VMS could not be attacked with worms, then his.3 > statement would have been rash but not ridicules.) >=20 > Karsten Nyblad! > ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot come >=20  E Fwiw - there is no such thing as an unbreakable system. For the moviei4 go'ers, remember Mission Impossible with Tom Cruise?   :-)f  ? The point is that OpenVMS's security model makes it *extremely*o= difficult to launch worms, virus's and break-in's against it.-  F As a matter of interest, check out what the SOPHOS (anti-virus vendor)# FAQ says about OpenVMS and virus's:C  < http://www.sophos.com/support/knowledgebase/article/156.html3 Can my OpenVMS system become infected with a virus?h  B There are currently no known viruses which infect OpenVMS systems.C However, it is often useful for an OpenVMS system to scan files for - viruses which infect other operating systems.   5 This could be the case when an OpenVMS system is used 7 - As a file server for Windows computers and Macs (e.g.  Pathworks/Advanced Server).=20) - To provide an ALL-IN-1 file cabinet.=20o7 - For processing email with attachments (e.g. PMDF).=20.  E In addition, Sophos Anti-Virus for OpenVMS installed as an InterChecklD server for central virus reporting can provide on-access logging for client computers.t   Regardss  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660e Fax: 613-591-4477e Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:16:38 +0200'* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...i, Message-ID: <c6c4kd$4gu$1@news.cybercity.dk>  2 "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB313B5A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...  I >Right - the common argument used by the open source community to promote-G >their way of sharing everything as somehow being better than those who6G >prefer not to give crooks and bad guys the blueprints for how to breako >into their buildings. >@H >The "share all our security secrets with the bad guys" concept is basedI >on the theory that the relatively few folks in the open source community-I >who really understand kernel and driver level security have the time andmG >interest to constantly review and monitor the hundreds of modules that$7 >are constantly being updated and/or new ones released.s >nG >Of course, it also assumes that those who do find problems will reportbD >them to the right people and not to the bad guys who of course only6 >share the information among their select few friends.  D No, it assumes that enough god people will check the code and reportI security errors.  Most god people will report security bugs.  However, asoK far as I know, most open source code is checked by a very limited number ogy people.0  H >The other approach is certainly not perfect i.e. a proprietary approachI >depending on the experience of those who have many years experience with0D >the code, but imho, it is certainly better than the other approach. >e >Course, to each their own.   I I have not seen any convincing arguments that the proprietary approach by H nature is better than open source when it comes to security.  However, IJ have not seen any convincing arguments that open source software by natureJ has to be more secure than proprietary software.  It all comes down to theH people involved in the development and distribution of the patches.  TheH open source people are damned good at fixing security related bugs fast.   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot coma   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:19:11 GMT $ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...:8 Message-ID: <zDgic.1881$Wc4.7283@bcandid.telisphere.com>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > GreyCloud wrote: >> Andrew Harrison wrote:S >  >>> ? >>> so I will ask you again, justify your claims or quit makingi	 >>> them.i >>>  >>>s >>. >> That's rich coming from a Sun troll in cov. >> >> > : > Well if you can find examples of claims that I have made; > that I have failed to support when pressed then feel freeR > to publish them. >E4 > Otherwise I would suggest that you follow the same > course as Bob. >D; Guffaw!!  Your are definitely trolling.  It is too obvious.D   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:47:17 GMT 5 From: "Ed Vogel" <edward.vogel_stop_the_spam.@hp.com>e# Subject: Re: Linking XV for OpenVMS00 Message-ID: <9peic.270$3p5.265@news.cpqcorp.net>  B The root of the problem (as others have said) is that some of your application requiresI /NAME=AS_IS (the 3rd party stuff), while other parts require /NAMES=UPPERE (the VMS= stuff).  There is no way using just the qualifer to get both.1  D We realized this restriction some time ago and added a #pragma names directive.  By properly 2 using it, you should be able to get what you want.  F Assuming all the case-sensitive names are defined in a set of headers, change the #include directives so that they are:a   #pragma names save #pragma names as_isu4 /* all the #include directives for these routines */ #pragma names restoreg  ( Then compile /NAMES=UPPER (the default).  I Our hope was that if a library provider relied on as_is names, they wouldo put the pragmas G in their headers.  If they had done this, you would not need to add theR directives yourself.  L It's not clear if you need the SHORTENED part...if so, change the #pragma to #pragma names shortened, as_is    H Sorry I did not see this discussion sooner.  I only look for titles that involve the C compiler."   Ed Vogel HP C Engineering   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 17:25:46 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...-= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404231625.3a9af1ec@posting.google.com>-   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c6asdg$e9l$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...D > Bob Ceculski wrote:-u > > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c6660p$q7g$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...0 > > A > >>Nor does OpenVMS have the basic plumbing that people require,y: > >>support Palms etc vi USB, support for USB flash cards,< > >>wireless, smart card authentication the list goes on and > >>on.  > >> > >>Regards  > >>Andrew Harrisont > >  > > < > > doesn't support palms?  you better tell all of our sites< > > that are using pdas that ... we upload and download from4 > > and to our vms based accounting system daily ... > 7 > Can you connect something like a Tungsten T which has 7 > a USB cradle with an OpenVMS system and sync to it ??h > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrisone  > no, but I can connect with good old ethernet and ftp to it ...   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 13:02:54 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e; Subject: Re: mounting diskette results in MOUNT-F-BADSECSYSw3 Message-ID: <DutG1GQfq5kg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <bf98c417.0404230754.7410e85d@posting.google.com>, williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) writes:H > Trying to mount a diskette on an AlphaStation 200 running  OpenVMS 7.3 > 
 > gets me: > = > %MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS, failed to access or create SECURITY.SYS % > -SYSTEM-F-DRVERR, fatal drive errorc  H    Assuming the floppy is in Files-11 format, you must have enough spaceE    to create [000000]security.sys if it doesn't already exist.  (IIRC-H    about 6 blocks.)  I ran into this during an upgrade from VMS 5.5-2 toI    VMS 6.0 trying to mount local page and swap disks that were completely7
    allocated.b  0    If not in Files-11 format, mount it /foreign.  H    If Files-11 and no room remains, you can probably mount it /readonly.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2004 11:35:14 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)" Subject: OT: HP and Desktop Blades= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404231035.4054c143@posting.google.com>%  A Anyone at HP know if the company still developing Desktop Blades -# as announce in this old Cnet news ?   ! "HP to introduce desktop blades":   * http://news.com.com/2100-1003-5102943.html   Regardsd   FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:37:45 GMTM1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> & Subject: Re: OT: HP and Desktop Blades2 Message-ID: <40898C30.65AA7BD4@firstdbasource.com>  H the words desktop and blade are diametrically opposed to each other. TheH data center I just left, had 6-8 racks of the HP blade servers that wereG primarily used as Citrix servers.  A standard rack contained 48 serverslH in each rack.  So if this is what you were talking about, then yes, they are available.   Michael Austin Need a VMS-extrorardanaire?D     Fabio Cardoso wrote:  B > Anyone at HP know if the company still developing Desktop Blades% > as announce in this old Cnet news ?r >n# > "HP to introduce desktop blades":e >e, > http://news.com.com/2100-1003-5102943.html >(	 > Regards  >  > FC   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:31:38 +0000 (UTC)-P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: shadowing questions$ Message-ID: <c6bufa$s18$1@online.de>  G I had a node in my hobbyist cluster crash (curiously, there is no dump,bF whereas there was after the last crash).  Apparently, I mistakenly hadH HALT set to 2 instead of 1.  (About 3 weeks ago the same machine crashed7 with a "machine check in kernel mode", but successfullydF restarted/rebooted afterwards.  Unless the console parameters somehow D get changed after a crash, I must have accidentally reset it to the H wrong value.)  Watching it boot back up, I was reminded of a discussion = here a while back, to which I don't recall a complete answer.y  E I have the license database on a non-system disk.  I have host-based  C volume shadowing.  A fatal error is displayed at startup since the  E shadowing license can't be found (but shadowing works anyway).  (The -F license database is on a shadow set.)  Is there any way to avoid this   other than copying the database?  G The system disk of the crashed node is in MntVerifyTimeout on the othergH nodes, and is merging on the node which just rebooted.  It seems that it? cannot be made accessible on the other nodes until the merge isnE finished.  If this is the case, what's the reasoning behind it?  The nH shadow set "works fine" on the one node; why can't it be mounted on the  other nodes?   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:10:02 +0000 (UTC)a- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)-  Subject: Re: shadowing questions. Message-ID: <c6c0na$l7r$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <c6bufa$s18$1@online.de> dated Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:31:38 +0000 (UTC):H >The system disk of the crashed node is in MntVerifyTimeout on the otherI >nodes, and is merging on the node which just rebooted.  It seems that it @ >cannot be made accessible on the other nodes until the merge isF >finished.  If this is the case, what's the reasoning behind it?  The I >shadow set "works fine" on the one node; why can't it be mounted on the  
 >other nodes?j  = The facts that the shadow set is merging and the volume is in-L MntVerifyTimeout are independent.  You need to do a "DISMOUNT/ABORT" on yourE other nodes before they will be able to mount that DSA device again. D (Rebooting also works.)7  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:00:04 +0000 (UTC)fP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: shadowing questions$ Message-ID: <c6c75k$gt6$1@online.de>  E In article <c6c0na$l7r$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@spyder.mitre.orgi (Keith A. Lewis) writes: s  ? > The facts that the shadow set is merging and the volume is inaN > MntVerifyTimeout are independent.  You need to do a "DISMOUNT/ABORT" on yourG > other nodes before they will be able to mount that DSA device again. k > (Rebooting also works.)l   OK.e  E I guess the root of my problem is that my mounting procedure doesn't r) check for and deal with MntVerifyTimeout.S  I Everything looks OK now, with one exception: the system disk of the node MI which rebooted cannot be mounted by one of the other nodes (though it IS tH mounted by a third node).  It looks like this from the node which can't  do the mounting:  P Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntP DSA144:                 Mounted alloc        1  (remote mount)                 2  L Disk DSA144:, device type RZ28, is online, allocated, mounted, file-orientedF     device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.  O     Error count                    1    Operations completed                 22-O     Owner process   "CLUSTER_SERVER"    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]rO     Owner process ID        20A00086    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W O     Reference count                3    Default buffer size                 512-O     Total blocks             4110480    Sectors per track                    86eO     Total cylinders             2988    Tracks per cylinder                  16u  &   Volume is mounted on GLADIA, ELIJAH.  B Actually, it is a shadow set of two RZ28 disks.  From the node on G which it is not mounted, not only can I neither mount nor dismount it, a) but a dismount command hangs the process.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:12:02 +0000 (UTC)iP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: shadowing questions$ Message-ID: <c6c7s1$j41$1@online.de>  D In article <c6c75k$gt6$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: .  K > Everything looks OK now, with one exception: the system disk of the node iK > which rebooted cannot be mounted by one of the other nodes (though it IS v > mounted by a third node).  f  G Make that two exceptions.  The same node which cannot mount the system  G disk of the rebooted node (but CAN mount ALL other disks on ALL nodes) tG is not reachable via SYSMAN from the other nodes, though one can reach n# it via SYSMAN from the other nodes.r  9 Whether or not the two problems are related I don't know.t   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 04:08:04 +0000 (UTC)o7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)c  Subject: Re: shadowing questions( Message-ID: <c6cp74$i17$1@pcls4.std.com>  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  J >Everything looks OK now, with one exception: the system disk of the node J >which rebooted cannot be mounted by one of the other nodes (though it IS I >mounted by a third node).  It looks like this from the node which can't @ >do the mounting:-  Q >Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntlQ > Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt Q >DSA144:                 Mounted alloc        1  (remote mount)                 2   M >Disk DSA144:, device type RZ28, is online, allocated, mounted, file-oriented@G >    device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.a  P >    Error count                    1    Operations completed                 22P >    Owner process   "CLUSTER_SERVER"    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]P >    Owner process ID        20A00086    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WP >    Reference count                3    Default buffer size                 512P >    Total blocks             4110480    Sectors per track                    86P >    Total cylinders             2988    Tracks per cylinder                  16  ' >  Volume is mounted on GLADIA, ELIJAH.i  C >Actually, it is a shadow set of two RZ28 disks.  From the node on dH >which it is not mounted, not only can I neither mount nor dismount it, * >but a dismount command hangs the process.  H Very weird it's owned by "CLUSTER_SERVER".  Perhaps you (or someone) didI a SYSMAN> DO MOUNT DSA114: label [no /SYSTEM] ?  Or a SYSMAN> DO ALLOCATEl DSA114:? -- v -Miken   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:06:08 GMTi$ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>5 Subject: Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost 8 Message-ID: <kYjic.1900$Wc4.7371@bcandid.telisphere.com>   Hans Vlems wrote:-; > "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> schreef in berichto5 > news:c60svh$6k0a8$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de...r >> John Smith wrote:J >>> http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/egYw0GMMYy0G6p0CUFe0AD >>>i >>> YMMV >>>  >>F >> Interesting given my experience with Linux. Back with SuSE 7.n, theC >> networking was not only a pain to configure, but when I added anFF >> extra NIC (identical), it wouldn't see both. Solution: get a coupleG >> of new el cheapo NICs, wnd they coexisted happily. I was quite happyi> >> with that distribution once I'd got it configured properly. >>G >> I finally upgraded to SuSE 9.0 last year, and that was a mistake. On B >> one PC, the graphics came out so tiny they were unreadable, andG >> didn't offer the means to change the resolution. On the PC with twinBC >> NICs, I couldn't get either to talk, so I was off to buy another G >> cheap NIC. On that PC, it would often "lose" both sound and randomlyrE >> start interpreting the keyboard as German instead of Swiss German.- >>C >> I also found the SuSE 9.0 installation somewhat too dumbed down.r@ >> Whenever I tried to get into "expert mode" it really tried to >> dissuade me from doing so.- >>G >> OK, I could no doubt have coaxed them both into life eventually, but E >> once I'd got OpenOffice running on my Mac, I simply lost interest.  >> >> YMMV etcs >>C > On a similar note: I'd been running RedHat 7.1 quite wel on a PC,tE > standard configuration. Even Windows2000 installs without a problemF > on it.D > The Audigy soundcard was not supported but that did not bother me.@ > RedHat 8 did support the soundcard but messed up the graphics.D > RedHat 9 offered proper graphics (KDE) but the soundcard no longer5 > worked. After that I gave the diskspace to Windows.p >rD > Yesterday I upgraded another PC from RedHat 7.2 to 9. KDE lost allG > contents in the toolbar, all it shows are cog icons. I've got severalw > books on Linux and neede1 > them all, often and not always finding answers. B > Linux is a great operating system if you happen to like building > them. Not sure at what5 > point in time they should allow users on it though.  >o  J It is not a problem anymore.  Suse's latest version should work very well.F A lot of people prefer Suse over RedHats versions.  It seems that someK didn't like redhats' startup scripts and even said they were screwed pretty J bad compared to a BSD implementation.  I never really liked redhat, but it8 doesn't mean it won't work on a different configuration.K Most like to get gentoo linux by downloading and compiling the whole works. K Many claim that compiling for your specific configuration provides superioro speed and a smaller footprint.   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2004 19:08:49 GMT( From: ka2doug@cs.commoc.sc (DL Phillips)4 Subject: Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding> Message-ID: <20040423150849.00147.00000137@mb-m06.news.cs.com>  1 >From: Michael Austin maustin@firstdbasource.com  0 >Date: 04/23/2004 11:54 AM Central Daylight Time3 >Message-id: <408949B5.47F9E11C@firstdbasource.com>  [snip]N >to satisfy everyone,  the  fix is very simple -- add a space before and after >the URL. Good grief.c >n >  <rJ http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=1209&e=9&u=/zd/2 0040422/tc_zd/125100  >  N  Reading on-line via Compuserve, Michael's format  is the only one so far that
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