1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 25 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 228       Contents:! ALPHAstation 255/233 and PBXGB-AA , Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, RE: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit' Re: Clustering, External Authentication  Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors  Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors ' errors on shadow sets and their members $ Finding the operating mode of DE500?( Re: Finding the operating mode of DE500?P Re: Games from ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (was re: Tetris assembleur VAX + SMG) + SMG)5 Re: gcc/g++ compiler (for coverage analysis) for vms? > Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...2 Re: mounting diskette results in MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS: Re: TCPIP 5.3, VAX VMS 7.3: how did this mail get through?: Re: TCPIP 5.3, VAX VMS 7.3: how did this mail get through?: Re: TCPIP 5.3, VAX VMS 7.3: how did this mail get through?: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drive> Re: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drive/ Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS / RE: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS . Re: what do the letters after the numbers mean. Re: what do the letters after the numbers mean  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:57:38 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)* Subject: ALPHAstation 255/233 and PBXGB-AA$ Message-ID: <c6euth$qga$1@online.de>  G I have an ALPHAstation 255/233 which came with a "Number Nine Computer  G Corporation" PCI graphics card.  The ALPHAstation is down now since it  E is waiting to have a capacitor replaced.  I opened it up in order to  I install an internal disk, and noticed a) that it has some free PCI slots  H and b) that I have a "PBXGB-AA" graphics card lying around (one of many G things I took "because I might need it sometime" when I collected some  * used hardware being given away somewhere).  D Will this card work with the ALPHAstation 255/233?  Is it "plug and H play" or do I have to somehow configure it, get a driver for it, update I my firmware or whatever?  What differences will I notice compared to the   old graphics card?   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2004 11:34:31 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0404241034.4759387c@posting.google.com>    "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message news:<FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB313BF4@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>...  > > -----Original Message-----9 > > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]    > > Sent: April 23, 2004 9:34 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 > > Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit  > >  > > Jack Peacock wrote: @ > > > How does changing an OS fix a lack of professionalism and  >  skills?  Given ; > > > that new workers have no exposure to VMS concepts or   >  operations it would > > > only make matters worse.   > >  > > A > > I was once replaced by a windows weenie who was fresh out of   > > school and sweetA > > talked the boss into think he could do everything on a PC at   > > much lower cost. > > ? > > The problem is that the "point and click" crowd along with   > > gate,s marketing= > > machine and shrink wrapped software has made "anyone" an   > > expert, and the B > > problem is that the bosses don't have the skills to judge the  > > REAL IT skills? > > of an applicant and they hire all sorts of windows weenies   > > instead of older > > experienced people.  > > D > > When boss asks "how long will X take and how much will it cost ? > > > > > Windows Weenie:s answer: 	Oh ! that si simple, I can just  > > install SQL ServerB > > from microsoft and in a few hours, all will be setup. It will  > > cost you just a  > > few hundfred bucks.  > > ? > > Experienced IT guy: You'll need a serious database such as   > > Oracle. You,kll @ > > need to spend time designing tye database and software, and  > > this will take a= > > few months and cost you at least $100,000.00. He'll also   > > saythat Windows isB > > not the right platfor for such a project. (going against some  > > corporate edict  > > to go windows only). > >  > > + > > So, guess which of the two gets hired ?  > > @ > > The experienced IT guys' project would have costed less and  > > taken less time > > > that the MS project, but the sales pitch from the windows  > > weenie was too good ? > > to pass up, and the hiring person had no way to judge that   > > the windows weenie7 > > was not experiencec enough to drive such a project.  > >  > ( > Yep, been there, saw that first hand.  > C > However, in this case - after two year $45M very mission critical I > project to convert business logic on OpenVMS to Windows (DB was to stay H > on VMS) went south big time, we are now being called back in to figureI > out how the powers that be can save their careers for making such a bad 
 > mistake. > H > Sometimes, I use the analogy that it is like talking to teenagers i.e.I > no matter how hard you try to give them the benefit of your experience, G > there are some times where they refuse to listen and you just have to ! > let them try it for themselves.  >  > Interesting times .. >    Well ! Look at this:  * http://news.com.com/2100-1001-5186020.html  H IBM still selling Mainframes. The great problem of OpenVMS is that it's C not defined as a high-end operating system or a desktop/workstation ? product. What is OpenVMS ? Equivalent to MVS, Unix or OS/400 ?  > Concurrent of what ? I think the Marketing people dont have a * phocus at HP (legacy of DEC, CPQ, may be).< What is the role of NSK ? Should OpenVMS be NSKlized becauseI of their "NonStop" features ? HP still having a lot of operating systems. F And I read they will mantain their old MPE for a long time because of D the users requests. Would OpenVMS be MPElized  ? Would HP have theirE own OS again, merging OpenVMS + MPE + NSK features using OpenVMS core C of course ? Is the port of MPE and NSK applications hughe for HP ?       Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:23:50 -0700 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit 2 Message-ID: <T_OdnbFrqq4qLRfdRVn-hQ@mpowercom.net>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:408A8DDE.B9C11EA7@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net...F > When I was young, I was always taught that "It takes a big person toI > admit a mistake", yet in real life it now seems that admitting to being F > wrong is virtually a cardinal transgression. People will go to theirI > deaths, biological or professional, before admitting an error. (Optimal * > case in point: OpenVMS and advertising.) > L When the mistake might bankrupt the company or force it into a unwanted saleJ (look at AT&T Wireless for a classic example), it's not enough to admit anK error in judgment.  Thousands of other people have to bear the consequences I (lost jobs, lost stock value, wiped out pensions) of that mistake.  Think L anyone will ever hire the CIO of AT&T Wireless after he wrecked the company?J Would you invest in a company if you found out their chief computer expertF had a history of massive incompetence and multi-billion dollar losses?  G Admitting a mistake when it's too late doesn't help anyone, and is more D likely to result in stockholder lawsuits than any productive change.    Jack Peacock    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2004 14:49:46 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404241349.172785c0@posting.google.com>   s fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message news:<f30679fb.0404241034.4759387c@posting.google.com>...  > "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message news:<FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB313BF4@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>...   > > > -----Original Message-----; > > > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]  " > > > Sent: April 23, 2004 9:34 PM > > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ; > > > Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit  > > >  > > > Jack Peacock wrote: B > > > > How does changing an OS fix a lack of professionalism and  >  skills?  Given = > > > > that new workers have no exposure to VMS concepts or   >  operations it would! > > > > only make matters worse.   > > >  > > > C > > > I was once replaced by a windows weenie who was fresh out of   > > > school and sweetC > > > talked the boss into think he could do everything on a PC at   > > > much lower cost. > > > A > > > The problem is that the "point and click" crowd along with   > > > gate,s marketing? > > > machine and shrink wrapped software has made "anyone" an   > > > expert, and the D > > > problem is that the bosses don't have the skills to judge the  > > > REAL IT skillsA > > > of an applicant and they hire all sorts of windows weenies   > > > instead of older > > > experienced people.  > > > F > > > When boss asks "how long will X take and how much will it cost ? > > > @ > > > Windows Weenie:s answer: 	Oh ! that si simple, I can just  > > > install SQL ServerD > > > from microsoft and in a few hours, all will be setup. It will  > > > cost you just a  > > > few hundfred bucks.  > > > A > > > Experienced IT guy: You'll need a serious database such as   > > > Oracle. You,kll B > > > need to spend time designing tye database and software, and  > > > this will take a? > > > few months and cost you at least $100,000.00. He'll also   > > > saythat Windows isD > > > not the right platfor for such a project. (going against some  > > > corporate edict  > > > to go windows only). > > >  > > > - > > > So, guess which of the two gets hired ?  > > > B > > > The experienced IT guys' project would have costed less and  > > > taken less time @ > > > that the MS project, but the sales pitch from the windows  > > > weenie was too good A > > > to pass up, and the hiring person had no way to judge that   > > > the windows weenie9 > > > was not experiencec enough to drive such a project.  > > >  > > * > > Yep, been there, saw that first hand.  > > E > > However, in this case - after two year $45M very mission critical K > > project to convert business logic on OpenVMS to Windows (DB was to stay J > > on VMS) went south big time, we are now being called back in to figureK > > out how the powers that be can save their careers for making such a bad  > > mistake. > > J > > Sometimes, I use the analogy that it is like talking to teenagers i.e.K > > no matter how hard you try to give them the benefit of your experience, I > > there are some times where they refuse to listen and you just have to # > > let them try it for themselves.  > >  > > Interesting times .. > >  >  > Well ! Look at this: > , > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-5186020.html > J > IBM still selling Mainframes. The great problem of OpenVMS is that it's E > not defined as a high-end operating system or a desktop/workstation A > product. What is OpenVMS ? Equivalent to MVS, Unix or OS/400 ?  @ > Concurrent of what ? I think the Marketing people dont have a , > phocus at HP (legacy of DEC, CPQ, may be).> > What is the role of NSK ? Should OpenVMS be NSKlized becauseK > of their "NonStop" features ? HP still having a lot of operating systems. H > And I read they will mantain their old MPE for a long time because of F > the users requests. Would OpenVMS be MPElized  ? Would HP have theirG > own OS again, merging OpenVMS + MPE + NSK features using OpenVMS core E > of course ? Is the port of MPE and NSK applications hughe for HP ?   >  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC  = OS400 high end?  I was on it for a month and it crashed twice 9 in that time with no explanation from IBM support for the = crashes ... plus you talk about a restrictive environment ... 9 it's menu city ... not very high end by my definition ... < unix high end?  Read the techwise report ... and windoze and9 linux barring a kernel rewrite will never be high end ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:06:50 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 5 Subject: RE: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB313BFC@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br]=20 > Sent: April 24, 2004 2:35 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit  >=20  	 [snip...]    > Well ! Look at this: >=20, > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-5186020.html >=20B > IBM still selling Mainframes. The great problem of OpenVMS is=20 > that it's=20E > not defined as a high-end operating system or a desktop/workstation C > product. What is OpenVMS ? Equivalent to MVS, Unix or OS/400 ?=20 B > Concurrent of what ? I think the Marketing people dont have a=20, > phocus at HP (legacy of DEC, CPQ, may be).> > What is the role of NSK ? Should OpenVMS be NSKlized because; > of their "NonStop" features ? HP still having a lot of=20  > operating systems.J > And I read they will mantain their old MPE for a long time because of=20F > the users requests. Would OpenVMS be MPElized  ? Would HP have theirG > own OS again, merging OpenVMS + MPE + NSK features using OpenVMS core G > of course ? Is the port of MPE and NSK applications hughe for HP ?=20  >=20 >=20	 > Regards  >=20 > FC   Fabio,  G The challenge that OpenVMS has is that it can (and does) play in all of @ these markets - from desktop WS's to mid range to fault tolerantH clustered solutions that run 5 of the top 10 exchanges in the world (theF other 5 are NSK). And as seen in the press recently, another brand newE one - the Singapore Exchange. In some areas OpenVMS continues to be a D technology leader. In other areas, it is behind - albeit catching up  rapidly - like UNIX portability.  G Part of the issue is marketing (yes John I know..), but the other issue F is media and industry perception of the word "legacy". Even though theC UNIX architectures are older than OpenVMS, they are perceived to be E "newer". Even though the Windows offerings are much, much less mature + than OpenVMS, it is perceived to be "cool".   B The reality is that all platforms have "legacy" versions. Solaris,E HP-UX, OpenVMS, Windows (Microsoft now calls Windows NT4 legacy), MVS H (they chged name to make it look "new), AIX, NSK etc etc all have legacyC versions. However, they also have newer versions that are much more F current and offer newer technologies like J2EE and Java support. Heck,D even new versions of COBOL offer support for many newer technologies today.  D The reason why many Customers are still running "legacy" versions of? Windows, UNIX, MVS etc today is that it is extremely, extremely G difficult to migrate 10-20-40 years of business logic from one platform  to another.   C That is exactly the issue that the Customer I mentioned earlier ran C into. It is also why many med-large Customers are now off the "lets E migrate to that magic platform that will solve all of our problems.." H band wagon and are instead now focusing on "lets make better use of what we have ..".  G Hey - that's exactly why mainframe solutions are going to be around for  at least another 20-30+ years.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:36:24 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit , Message-ID: <2OGdnf1NDKFKQBfdRVn-hw@igs.net>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:408A8DDE.B9C11EA7@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > "Main, Kerry" wrote:
 > > [snip]) > > Yep, been there, saw that first hand.  > > E > > However, in this case - after two year $45M very mission critical K > > project to convert business logic on OpenVMS to Windows (DB was to stay J > > on VMS) went south big time, we are now being called back in to figureK > > out how the powers that be can save their careers for making such a bad  > > mistake. > I > I know this is drifting off-topic, but perhaps someone here can educate  > me...  > F > When I was young, I was always taught that "It takes a big person toI > admit a mistake", yet in real life it now seems that admitting to being F > wrong is virtually a cardinal transgression. People will go to theirI > deaths, biological or professional, before admitting an error. (Optimal * > case in point: OpenVMS and advertising.) > I > It's not easy going through life in the professional world with an I.Q. E > equal to my Dad's age when he died (79), but I'm really hoping that H > someone can provide a lucid explanation of this phenomenon. I'd really > like to understand it. > J > > Sometimes, I use the analogy that it is like talking to teenagers i.e.K > > no matter how hard you try to give them the benefit of your experience, I > > there are some times where they refuse to listen and you just have to # > > let them try it for themselves.  > F > Another phenomenon that escapes me. Anything "old" is valueless, and7 > even the "new" loses value with astonishing rapidity.  > I > Maybe this is why I've become such a "computer nerd". The machines are,  > at least, comprehensible.      Glib answer follows:  H Credit the US legal system. Any admission of any fault in one's logic inK making a decision in the first place (assumptions, rationales, data backing H the decision, etc...), or implementation errors (omissions, commissions,L logic errors, incomplete analysis, etc...) has, over the years, come to meanK one thing and one thing only.....blame somebody else and sue their ass off.   G This too is another great American export, along with quarterly earning B report-itis, both of which seem to be becoming more widely adopted throughout the world.   F Often what is required in those cases is a lesson from feudal JapaneseH society - ritual seppuku by those responsible. This allows for those not= responsible the possibility of a 'clean slate' to start anew.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:00:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit , Message-ID: <408AE397.491DDBA3@teksavvy.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > Sometimes, I use the analogy that it is like talking to teenagers i.e.I > no matter how hard you try to give them the benefit of your experience, G > there are some times where they refuse to listen and you just have to ! > let them try it for themselves.     H Yep, except as a parent, you stay the parent (like it or not :-). But inN business, when the "teenager" gets to try your job to learn from his mistakes, you lose your job :-(    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:05:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit , Message-ID: <408AE4B3.695D398F@teksavvy.com>   Jack Peacock wrote: N > When the mistake might bankrupt the company or force it into a unwanted saleL > (look at AT&T Wireless for a classic example), it's not enough to admit anM > error in judgment.  Thousands of other people have to bear the consequences K > (lost jobs, lost stock value, wiped out pensions) of that mistake.  Think N > anyone will ever hire the CIO of AT&T Wireless after he wrecked the company?L > Would you invest in a company if you found out their chief computer expertH > had a history of massive incompetence and multi-billion dollar losses?   2 words: Michael Capellas   F Now that Worldcom is out of bankrupcy, we'll see how long it takes for< Capellas to be thrown out or allow the company to sink back.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:38:08 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit , Message-ID: <NaCdnadtSOXylRbdRVn-gg@igs.net>  2 "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB313BFC@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br]  > Sent: April 24, 2004 2:35 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit  >   	 [snip...]    > Well ! Look at this: > , > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-5186020.html > ? > IBM still selling Mainframes. The great problem of OpenVMS is  > that it's E > not defined as a high-end operating system or a desktop/workstation @ > product. What is OpenVMS ? Equivalent to MVS, Unix or OS/400 ?? > Concurrent of what ? I think the Marketing people dont have a , > phocus at HP (legacy of DEC, CPQ, may be).> > What is the role of NSK ? Should OpenVMS be NSKlized because8 > of their "NonStop" features ? HP still having a lot of > operating systems.G > And I read they will mantain their old MPE for a long time because of F > the users requests. Would OpenVMS be MPElized  ? Would HP have theirG > own OS again, merging OpenVMS + MPE + NSK features using OpenVMS core D > of course ? Is the port of MPE and NSK applications hughe for HP ? >  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC   Fabio,  G The challenge that OpenVMS has is that it can (and does) play in all of @ these markets - from desktop WS's to mid range to fault tolerantH clustered solutions that run 5 of the top 10 exchanges in the world (theF other 5 are NSK). And as seen in the press recently, another brand newE one - the Singapore Exchange. In some areas OpenVMS continues to be a D technology leader. In other areas, it is behind - albeit catching up  rapidly - like UNIX portability.  G Part of the issue is marketing (yes John I know..), but the other issue F is media and industry perception of the word "legacy". Even though theC UNIX architectures are older than OpenVMS, they are perceived to be E "newer". Even though the Windows offerings are much, much less mature + than OpenVMS, it is perceived to be "cool".   B The reality is that all platforms have "legacy" versions. Solaris,E HP-UX, OpenVMS, Windows (Microsoft now calls Windows NT4 legacy), MVS H (they chged name to make it look "new), AIX, NSK etc etc all have legacyC versions. However, they also have newer versions that are much more F current and offer newer technologies like J2EE and Java support. Heck,D even new versions of COBOL offer support for many newer technologies today.  D The reason why many Customers are still running "legacy" versions of? Windows, UNIX, MVS etc today is that it is extremely, extremely G difficult to migrate 10-20-40 years of business logic from one platform  to another.   C That is exactly the issue that the Customer I mentioned earlier ran C into. It is also why many med-large Customers are now off the "lets E migrate to that magic platform that will solve all of our problems.." H band wagon and are instead now focusing on "lets make better use of what we have ..".  G Hey - that's exactly why mainframe solutions are going to be around for  at least another 20-30+ years.      G And if HP played ANY of its VMS cards right, VMS would be around for at I least 100 years more, but as you know and are sickened by it as much as I ! am, HP doesn't advertise OpenVMS.   L Now maybe if somebody told carly(tm) that VMS can spit out reports that needK to be printed faster than any other os HP has, she'd see advertising VMS as 8 the logical companion product to inkjet cartridge sales.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2004 20:41:20 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit 3 Message-ID: <R+kkUWhtHI5W@eisner.encompasserve.org>   y In article <408A8DDE.B9C11EA7@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:	 >> [snip] ( >> Yep, been there, saw that first hand. >>  D >> However, in this case - after two year $45M very mission criticalJ >> project to convert business logic on OpenVMS to Windows (DB was to stayI >> on VMS) went south big time, we are now being called back in to figure J >> out how the powers that be can save their careers for making such a bad >> mistake.  > I > I know this is drifting off-topic, but perhaps someone here can educate  > me...  > F > When I was young, I was always taught that "It takes a big person toI > admit a mistake", yet in real life it now seems that admitting to being F > wrong is virtually a cardinal transgression. People will go to theirI > deaths, biological or professional, before admitting an error. (Optimal * > case in point: OpenVMS and advertising.) > I > It's not easy going through life in the professional world with an I.Q. E > equal to my Dad's age when he died (79), but I'm really hoping that H > someone can provide a lucid explanation of this phenomenon. I'd really > like to understand it. >   < 	I see it all the time too.  At a former location, a manager< 	would rather poke his eyes out with sharp sticks than admit? 	he blew it.  So that group would spend more time getting their ; 	stories straight than they would doing real work (after an = 	outage).  I attribute it to arrogance and fear of being seen = 	as "weak."  After all, if you can walk on water it isn't too > 	cool to admit you blew it.  Enabled by those above of course.) 	Good 'ol boys network hard at work also!      				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:47:22 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>0 Subject: Re: Clustering, External Authentication- Message-ID: <87pt9x46ad.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:   ? >   Once what most folks think of as clustering is licensed and ? >   enabled, then the off-node cluster (SCS) support activates. F >   Multiple hosts and the SCS traffic involved all become visible, in >   other words.  A Not quite Hoff, and this is a key to this lot. SCS is an esential E component of the IO system, and MUST be there if you use any CI, DSSI ! or FDDI storage via a HSx or ISE.   F Note, MUST. It is not optional in that case, no SCS, and you can't get to your disks.  F There extra stuff, connection manager, Distributed version of the lock manager, that part is optional.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:53:31 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>( Subject: Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors* Message-ID: <vlBic.2894$en3.2637@edtnps89>   John Santos wrote:: # > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Alder wrote:  >  >  >>Bob Koehler wrote::  >> >>X >>>In article <0tcic.7928$w63.7125@edtnps89>, Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes: >>>  >>> H >>>>If I start a DECWindows (V1.2.6) session and then fire up a DECTerm G >>>>window, the DECTerm appears and functions, but an error message is   >>>>logged that reads: >>>>> >>>>Fri Apr 23 10:24:39 2004 - output from process id 000001C2D >>>>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:U >>>>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested operation  >>>  >>>   2 > $ if .not. f$getdvi("sys$command:","trm") then - >         exit  F I added a similar line to SYLOGIN.COM before my SET TERMINAL commands * and it eliminated the MBA errors.  Thanks.   Terry    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:20:54 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>( Subject: Re: DECW DECTerm startup errors6 Message-ID: <1040424191836.12017A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ! On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, Alder wrote:    > John Santos wrote:: % > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Alder wrote:  > >  > >  > >>Bob Koehler wrote::  > >> > >>Z > >>>In article <0tcic.7928$w63.7125@edtnps89>, Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes: > >>>  > >>> J > >>>>If I start a DECWindows (V1.2.6) session and then fire up a DECTerm I > >>>>window, the DECTerm appears and functions, but an error message is   > >>>>logged that reads: > >>>>@ > >>>>Fri Apr 23 10:24:39 2004 - output from process id 000001C2F > >>>>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying MBA2501:W > >>>>-> RCV'D (pid 000001C3): -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested operation  > >>>  > >>>  > 4 > > $ if .not. f$getdvi("sys$command:","trm") then - > >         exit > H > I added a similar line to SYLOGIN.COM before my SET TERMINAL commands , > and it eliminated the MBA errors.  Thanks. >  > Terry   A Aha!  I should have read my own code!  I think that should do it. D I'm a little confused about who posted what...  Are you the original/ poster?  If not, did it solve the OP's problem?    Glad it helped!      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:43:10 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)0 Subject: errors on shadow sets and their members$ Message-ID: <c6eqhu$nj5$1@online.de>  C I've rearranged some hardware in my hobbyist cluster.  In one BA353 H there is an RZ26 which I can't remove, so I'm "forced" to use it.  It isG a member of a shadow set (the other member is on another node).  During G SHADOW MERGE or COPY operations, it collects 10--15 errors, but only on F the node it has a direct connection to, not to all the other nodes, toD which it is MSCP served.  The shadow set is mounted by all nodes and shows no errors.     What does this mean?  H Presumably, since the shadow set itself has no errors, and neither does A the other member, as long as the good member or both members are  G available, there will be no problems.  What happens if the good member  I goes, leaving only the member with the errors on the node it is directly  < connected to?  Will this result in errors on the shadow set?  F Are the errors likely to be physical problems with the disk, or could G they be due to a software problem or a configuration problem (say, too  < many packet collions on the LAN during the MERGE operation)?   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 2004 14:54:20 GMT7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) - Subject: Finding the operating mode of DE500? % Message-ID: <2004Apr20.145420@hujicc>    Hello,L   I have a DE-500 Ethernet card on a remote system (so console access is notG trivial) and I need to know in which mode the card is currently working ; (10/100, Half or full duplex). Is there a way I can see it?   9                                         Thanks, __Yehavi:    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:44:59 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> 1 Subject: Re: Finding the operating mode of DE500? 0 Message-ID: <108mghifj5ff01a@corp.supernews.com>    Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279) wrote:   > Hello,N >   I have a DE-500 Ethernet card on a remote system (so console access is notI > trivial) and I need to know in which mode the card is currently working = > (10/100, Half or full duplex). Is there a way I can see it?  > ; >                                         Thanks, __Yehavi:    $ mcr lancp show dev /char   Device Characteristics EWA0:(                    Value  Characteristic(                    -----  -------------- ... ,                       No  Full duplex enable1                       No  Full duplex operational )              TwistedPair  Line media typeO+                       10  Line speed (mbps) +      Disabled/No Failset  Logical LAN stateX+                        0  Failover priorityd $c   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:57:42 GMT 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>Y Subject: Re: Games from ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (was re: Tetris assembleur VAX + SMG) + SMG)I/ Message-ID: <qWEic.25005$IW1.1213861@attbi_s52>k   Malcolm wrote:  M > Did no one archive all of the games off of ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu , which nowf > seems to have vanished?n > I > I got as far as M (moria_443) :( But they had a Tetris game on there...e > L > Was somewhat hampered by the fact that the ftp server they had there had aK > bug and would crash after I'd retrieved 70 or so files... Or I would havel > had them all :(i  B You should use wget to do the ftp's.  It will retry, restart whereB it left off if the server can do it, and otherwise do a better job than the ftp program.o   -- glen    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 03:32:21 +0800m, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>> Subject: Re: gcc/g++ compiler (for coverage analysis) for vms?- Message-ID: <87n0512muy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 newgroup@jcaps.com (Morten Jagd Christensen) writes:  8 > I am developing an automated testframework for module 9 > testing on a vms based platform. As part of this effortt" > I want to collect coverage data.  B > I have tried the PCA profiler but it has a few shortcomings. ForC > example I want a report per source file where I can see the linesiF > covered and the lines not covered, but PCA gives this kind of report > per function only!  A PCA and the compiler conspire to instrument every basic block, of D which there can be many in a line, or many lines in a block, or manyE lines to many blocks etc and on to insanity. The *reporting* defaultsM@ to per function from memory, but you can drill in for full messy: detail if needed. It also works with SCA for this as well.   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.v@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 02:22:18 +0800p, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...s- Message-ID: <878ygl44o5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   F >    Guess again.  I've switched between DCL, MCR, and the POSIX shellA >    without needing any privileges or asking any system manager. < >    Only the login CLI is controlled by the system manager.  @ Look up the /cli switch on entering your username. Unless the SM< sets the NOCLI flag in your SYSUAF. Loging ion with /cli=edt3 was an old favorite system crasher at one stage. :)-   -- r< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.7@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 03:25:05 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...e- Message-ID: <87r7ud2n72.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   Q Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:V  < > Answer the question, which version of Solaris did you use.  : > 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, 8, 9 or 10.   You miss spelt SunOS...    -- c< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 03:22:19 +0800o, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...c- Message-ID: <87vfjp2nbo.fsf@prep.synonet.com>s  , "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:  C > Indeed.  However, Bob was claiming that VMS could not be attackedpE > with viruses.  A virus is not a worm.  I do not know of any generalxC > purpose operating system that cannot be attacked with viruses andeC > Trojan horses.  If Bob had written that VMS could not be attackede= > with worms, then his statement would have been rash but nota > ridicules.  B You can get close. VMS can have files that are executable, but not9 writable, OR READABLE. Goes a long way to stopping virii.   > This is also a key difference with secure systems. Unix has toA use a private copy of the librays as they can be read and provideh> a covert channel. VMS can set the shared code to be exec only,' and unreadable. No readee, no leekee :)    -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 03:18:51 +0800b, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...e- Message-ID: <87zn912nhg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:  ? > I have not seen any convincing arguments that the proprietaryw@ > approach by nature is better than open source when it comes toC > security.  However, I have not seen any convincing arguments thatt; > open source software by nature has to be more secure thanl > proprietary software.   @ The differences between different programmers will be by far theB largest factor. Some are good at writing and designing good secureD stuff, some are not. That would be independent of what the marketingA model is. Also remember that until the mid 70s or so, much of the E propriety code was open source, in that you got a copy of the sources  as part of the kit.a  A > It all comes down to the people involved in the development and F > distribution of the patches.  The open source people are damned good' > at fixing security related bugs fast.   B Given that there is some number of flaws in the code, and a personE looking at it has p chance of seeing the bug, there in (1-p)^n chance F of the bug being not found. For large n, even if p is very small, thatD gets close to 1. p will also vary greatly with who is looking at it,< but it does not matter! The ^n term will conquer in the end.  ) Here is hoping I have not screwed this...r -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.N@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:51:14 +0800a, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...n- Message-ID: <87llkl463x.fsf@prep.synonet.com>a  , "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:  ; > Did VMS have clusters before V4.0?  When did the APIs forcF > authentication and authorization get into OpenVMS?  You are spinning9 > when you try to distinguish between built-in and add one > capabilities.c  C 3.7 had most of the code in place, but locked off pretty well. (HadcD the XQP emerged then? or was it still just the ACP?) RMS and lots ofD other stuff was all using the $ENQ/$DEQ, and it just all worked whenE you turned on the distributed lock manager, as they told the fat owl.t  ; Mind you, a few times I though 4.0 was latent clustering :(-   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:53:22 +0800a, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...n- Message-ID: <87hdv9460d.fsf@prep.synonet.com>9  , Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  E > I didn't get a chance to use clustering until V5, but by that time,kB > it was definitely built in to VMS. You only need the appropriate > licenses to enable it.  E The first licence for clustering was LAVC at 4.4 or so. CI clustering $ was licence free for several years.   C Putting a licence on it was bone head stupid if every anything was!w   -- w< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:39:55 +0800l, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...n- Message-ID: <87u0z946ms.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ; Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes:d  D > Multi system connection to SCSI is done using multi-initatior thisA > opens the system or at least the interconnect up to new sets ofp@ > failure conditions and is really only effective for 2 servers.   Andrew, since when did 2=3?   D > In fact QFS also supports multi-port arrays so you can get low end0 > clusters but generally only using two systems.  C No, YOU get a 2 system cluster, and low end to boot. We get systemsa$ with a 20+ year proven track record.   -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.d@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:34:24 +0200r* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...p, Message-ID: <c6eq28$r6b$1@news.cybercity.dk>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87llkl463x.fsf@prep.synonet.com... . > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: >d= > > Did VMS have clusters before V4.0?  When did the APIs foroH > > authentication and authorization get into OpenVMS?  You are spinning; > > when you try to distinguish between built-in and add on  > > capabilities.e >aE > 3.7 had most of the code in place, but locked off pretty well. (HadyF > the XQP emerged then? or was it still just the ACP?) RMS and lots ofF > other stuff was all using the $ENQ/$DEQ, and it just all worked whenG > you turned on the distributed lock manager, as they told the fat owl.! >o= > Mind you, a few times I though 4.0 was latent clustering :(   G Hmm.  I think I have not made my self clear.  I did not want to discuss H which feature became available when in VMS.  What I was trying to say isI that in my opinion it is not that important whether a feature is bundled,rG built in, or and add on.  I leave that topic to the marketing and sales(J people.  The important question is which functionality can you get at what price.   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot comh   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2004 19:40:04 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...t< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404241840.6cb5c69@posting.google.com>  ^ "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c6eq28$r6b$1@news.cybercity.dk>...; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagen) > news:87llkl463x.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 0 > > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: > >l? > > > Did VMS have clusters before V4.0?  When did the APIs for.J > > > authentication and authorization get into OpenVMS?  You are spinning= > > > when you try to distinguish between built-in and add onl > > > capabilities.. > > G > > 3.7 had most of the code in place, but locked off pretty well. (Had H > > the XQP emerged then? or was it still just the ACP?) RMS and lots ofH > > other stuff was all using the $ENQ/$DEQ, and it just all worked whenI > > you turned on the distributed lock manager, as they told the fat owl.a > >a? > > Mind you, a few times I though 4.0 was latent clustering :(4 > I > Hmm.  I think I have not made my self clear.  I did not want to discussTJ > which feature became available when in VMS.  What I was trying to say isK > that in my opinion it is not that important whether a feature is bundled, I > built in, or and add on.  I leave that topic to the marketing and sales-L > people.  The important question is which functionality can you get at what > price. >  > Karsten Nyblad! > ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot comi  : I think VMS proves that you want security built in and not9 an add on or you get what you have now with windoze/unix/O8 linux ... thousands of certs and becoming members of the patch of the week club ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 03:36:52 +0800a, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>; Subject: Re: mounting diskette results in MOUNT-F-BADSECSYSa- Message-ID: <87isfp2mnf.fsf@prep.synonet.com>g  = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:i  t > In article <bf98c417.0404230754.7410e85d@posting.google.com>, williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) writes:I >> Trying to mount a diskette on an AlphaStation 200 running  OpenVMS 7.3   l >> gets me:l  e> >> %MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS, failed to access or create SECURITY.SYS& >> -SYSTEM-F-DRVERR, fatal drive error  D >    Assuming the floppy is in Files-11 format, you must have enoughF >    space to create [000000]security.sys if it doesn't already exist.C >    (IIRC about 6 blocks.)  I ran into this during an upgrade from C >    VMS 5.5-2 to VMS 6.0 trying to mount local page and swap disksu$ >    that were completely allocated.  ? It would have to be ODS-2 (or 5?) or VMS would not be botheringt with SECURITY.SYS.  B /over=security will fix it. Um, should fix it. Normal reason is no space on the volume.   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.V@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:17:15 +0200f3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> C Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3, VAX VMS 7.3: how did this mail get through?d9 Message-ID: <c6eeoc$b4s28$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>   F On 2004-04-24 14:29, "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" wrote:   > [...]r > K > On a related note: am I correct in assuming that any "send email to this  G > address to get removed from our list" does no such thing, but rather oE > serves to confirm that the email address from which such a removal nE > request is sent is in fact a working email address which gets read?   & It's called "address verification" ...   > [...]a   Michael    -- n; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.a5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.5   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:57:33 -0400O- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>-C Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3, VAX VMS 7.3: how did this mail get through?J+ Message-ID: <408AE2CC.74CCC32@teksavvy.com>l  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   B <next time, doN't quote the whole junk message, just the headers).  + > Return-Path: anthonthonia1@rediffmail.coms  G This what was entered in the MAIL FROM: < anthonthonia1@rediffmail.com>s  $ rediffmail.com has a valid MX entry.  2 > Received: from rly-ip04.mx.aol.com (64.12.138.8)E >          by daneel.robots.multivax.de (V5.3-18G, OpenVMS V7.3 VAX); ) >         Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:03:12 +0100   4 The ip address that connected to you was 64.12.138.8  # It has correct reverse translation.t  L So, so far, based on just the RFC header you provided, there is no reason to block the message.G What is not seen in this data is the rest of the SMTP transaction, mosts especially the RCPT TO: lines.   > Received: from  smtp-dtc05.proxy.aol.com (smtp-dtc05.proxy.aol.com [205.188.118.19]) by rly-ip04.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-2408a44b1225; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 06:42:57 -0400g  ; Again, this is kosher. AOL relaying internally the message.a  = > Received: from plain (AC894F12.ipt.aol.com [172.137.79.18]) T >         by smtp-dtc05.proxy.aol.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i3O9dgtI013300;' >         Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:43:19 GMT   V The message was originally injected by an AOL user onto the AOL network. Still kosher.  ( > From: helbig-CLOTHES@astro.multivax.de& > To: helbig-CLOTHES@astro.multivax.de   Obviously, the from: is faked.N And the To: displayed here has no relationship with the RCPT TO: SMTP commandsN sent before the data. It is the RCPT TOL commands which dicate how the message is to be received.  N In this case, the message was sent from an AOL user to you. There is really no way to block this.  L The big clue it is spam is that the reply address doesn't come from the sameI domain as the SMTO server. However, this is not something you can use rawdK logic to block messages because there are many legitimate messages that areaF sent from an SMTP server whose domain doesn't match the sender's emailQ address. (think about a compaq email address being sent via an HP.com SMTP servers or vice versa)    L The good news is that you should complain to AOL about this message since itX clearly originated from one of their customers and thus it is easy for them to identify.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:03:11 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> C Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3, VAX VMS 7.3: how did this mail get through?e, Message-ID: <408AE41D.E9CA96ED@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:sI > This means it is a valid email address, and since it is in the clear it-4 > can be harvested.  Why does it get so little spam?  K Because spam software was written to remove "nospam" from email adresses toiK make it "valid". So if you email is nospam@chocolate.com, the spam softwarer0 tries to send it to @chocolate.com and it fails.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:21:53 +0000 (UTC)iP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)C Subject: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drives$ Message-ID: <c6esqh$pdb$1@online.de>  E Suppose one wants to upgrade (or install) VMS on a system with no CD tI drive.  One method would be to copy the CD to a hard disk, then use that -F in place of the CD.  (This might be a good idea anyway since it might I speed things up quite a bit, perhaps even enough to make up for the time eD spent copying the CD to disk, but even if not the actual upgrade or B installation will be quicker (the copy to disk doesn't have to be F watched over and hence can be done at leisure).)  However, this means 1 one must have a spare disk and a place to put it.u  E Could one do the installation or upgrade on another system?  Suppose sI node B needs a VMS upgrade.  Could I take the system disk out of node B, rH put it in node A (which has a CD drive), do the upgrade there, then put E it back in node B?  If the upgrade were only a matter of copying new  D files to the system disk, then there would be no problem.  What I'm G worried about, however, are differences between node A and node B: for l> example, the ethernet device might have a different name, the E configuration (amount of RAM etc) might be different hence confusing ,, AUTOGEN if it is run during the upgrade etc.  H Since essentially all my disks are shadow sets, my long-term plan is to I have one "master node" per architecture whose system disk I maintain.  I @I can then propagate upgrades to other systems by breaking a shadow set on cI the master node, removing a member and using that as a new shadow master aE on the other nodes.  The problem is automating the process.  Since I MH have stuff such as the queue database off the system disk, that's not a F problem.  One worry is stuff such as different names for the ethernet F device.  If one just sticks a system disk in another system, one will I have to reconfigure TCPIP as a result.  Another worry is the danger that nG some TCPIP stuff which is node specific might be in SYS$COMMON instead ? of SYS$SPECIFIC.  H Even if one knew that all the node-specific stuff were in SYS$SPECIFIC, B even copying it to somewhere else before the shadow copy and then G copying it back wouldn't solve all problems, if the upgrade adds files f to SYS$SPECIFIC.   Has anyone solved this problem?m   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:45:13 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam>sG Subject: Re: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD driven0 Message-ID: <108m2g4k764q2e5@corp.supernews.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:iG > Suppose one wants to upgrade (or install) VMS on a system with no CD gK > drive.  One method would be to copy the CD to a hard disk, then use that    9 I usually just pop the case open and plug a CD drive ontoo an open SCSI conenctor.   7 When done with the VMS install, unplug it (or, leave its7 in the case, secured with either some screws of double-  sided sticky foam)  8 This comes in handy when rebuilding old VAXstations that6 were originally configured as network boot systems (of8 course, that network and its servers is long gone, now).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:57:07 +0800p, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>8 Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS- Message-ID: <87d65x45u4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  C > The network is down - and I have an IP phone so I can't even calloF > the helpdesk to tell them that I can't call them because the network > is down...   > Isn't technology wonderful?   E Read the reports on the great net outage of IMP fame. They can't even  invent a NEW failure mode.   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:18:50 -0400e' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 8 Subject: RE: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMSR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB313BFD@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Paul Repacholi [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com]=20 > Sent: April 24, 2004 1:57 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh: > Subject: Re: Using Windows XP hyperterminal with OpenVMS >=20D > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: >=20E > > The network is down - and I have an IP phone so I can't even calloH > > the helpdesk to tell them that I can't call them because the network > > is down... >=20 > > Isn't technology wonderful?s >=20G > Read the reports on the great net outage of IMP fame. They can't even. > invent a NEW failure mode. >=20 > --=204> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.iB >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. >=20   David -h  D Help desk response - "Well, why didn't you just send an email then?"   :-)l   Regardst  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantn HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660) Fax: 613-591-4477e Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomi. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:52:34 -0400s' From: "Gunner" <arty_15999@hotmail.com>h7 Subject: Re: what do the letters after the numbers mean 0 Message-ID: <arGdnQBJo_PqKhfdRVn-vw@comcast.com>  
 Model number!e  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:c6doa5$r68$1@online.de...eI > What do the letters after the numbers mean in these disk model numbers?a >i > RZ23L            <- ?r > RZ26L            <- 1 GB7 > RZ26N            <- 1 GB   L/N Manufacturer /GeometryQ > RZ29L-AA      <- 4 GBg > RZ29L-AS      <- 4 GBI   >a; > What about the letters after the "6" in BA356-%%?  Try AAf >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:31:47 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>u7 Subject: Re: what do the letters after the numbers mean 8 Message-ID: <7qml80tmo2gn057nm7mt095csnllbk2ua1@4ax.com>  H On 24 Apr 2004 17:57:28 +0100, pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA" Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) wrote:  x >In article <c6doa5$r68$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:J >> What do the letters after the numbers mean in these disk model numbers? >>   >> RZ23L >> RZ26L >> RZ26N >> RZ29L-AA  >> RZ29L-AS0 >> :4 >> What about the letters after the "6" in BA356-%%? >>J >RZ26L: L for Loud   :-) (very noisy moving heads, like pop corn cooking).   And the N was short for Noisy !o  J (Actually, I'm fairly sure the L was low-profile.  For smaller disks, thisE meant half-height instead of full height, the larger ones would be 1"t instead of half-height.)   -- a. Writing to Washington won't help - he's dead!    Mail john rather than nospam...o   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.228 ************************