1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 25 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 229       Contents:, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...% Re: OpenVMS newbie - AlphaStation 233 > SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicals> Re: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drive> Re: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drive  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 08:32:36 -0700 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit 2 Message-ID: <EoGdnSKwwqiIRxbdRVn-hA@mpowercom.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:408AE4B3.695D398F@teksavvy.com... > Jack Peacock wrote: G > > Would you invest in a company if you found out their chief computer  expertJ > > had a history of massive incompetence and multi-billion dollar losses? >  > 2 words: Michael Capellas  > ; Darn, got me there!  Course I wouldn't invest five cents in , WorldCom/MCI/NextNameafteranotherbankruptcy.   Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 08:37:16 +0200 * From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... - Message-ID: <c6fmb1$1i56$1@news.cybercity.dk>   5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 6 news:d7791aa1.0404241840.6cb5c69@posting.google.com... > < > I think VMS proves that you want security built in and not; > an add on or you get what you have now with windoze/unix/ : > linux ... thousands of certs and becoming members of the > patch of the week club ...  F I think that this discussion has already demonstrated that many of theK security features in VMS have been added after VMS was designed, e.g., APIs K and ACLs.  Thus security may have to be built in, but an operating does not J need to be born with all the security features in place.  Please note thatK the security features have been added to VMS without compromising backwards  compatibility.  J The security of VMS is also due to the low number of juvenile users on theJ platform.  The programmers on VMS have carriers and mortgages, and they doF not want to get fired with no references and perhaps being send to the& slammer and getting a criminal record.  I Please note  that many of the problems on the Windows platform are due to L the applications and because Microsoft does not use the security features ofE the operating system.  It is beyond me how they could get the idea of I letting E-mail clients execute code embedded in E-mails automatically and L without the user doing anything.  Putting macro code in Word and Excel filesF has also proved a bad idea.  I do not understand why normal users haveL Administrator rights by default.  Unfortunately, you can be sure that if youI change the default setup, then some installations will fail, and you will I not have a clue why.  Thus even people knowing better run Windows without I changing the default setup.  And then Microsoft does not use all the nice  features for file protection.    Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Apr 2004 00:55:19 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... = Message-ID: <734da31c.0404242355.1ddbb31d@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c63h2u$s18$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > David Svensson wrote:  > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c60gha$pql$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > >  > >>David Svensson wrote:  > >> > >> > >>J > >>>HP is selling and supporting Linux servers, that is a very good thingK > >>>for HP _and_ Linux. IBM has also done lots of good thing for Linux and K > >>>Sun has done good things for OpenSource and are beginning to make good  > >>>things for Linux. > >>A > >>Ask yourself this, what would be the impact on the OpenSource ? > >>community if HP all its products, all its engineers and all % > >>its IP simply vanished tommorow ?  > >>> > >>The answer is basically none, Dell, IBM, Fujitsu etc would5 > >>quickly fill the hole left in the platform market  > >  > > C > > Almost the same could be said for all companies, including Sun.  > >  > 3 > Ahh but that would be where you would be entirely  > wrong. > > > If Sun were to vanish tommorow along with all its developers> > the following key OpenSource programs and programs important9 > to the OpenSource community would be severely impacted.  > 9 > OpenOffice, Sun is doing the majority of the OpenOffice  > development. >  > Java.  >  > Gnome  > 	 > OpenSSL  >  > And a whole host more.  < Yes, Sun would have more impact, but no one is irreplacable.0 Good things would be picked up by other parties.   > > < > >>So in reality OpenSource is much more important to HP as? > >>a market than HP is to OpenSource and thats because despite < > >>the Linux retoric HP have done virtually nothing of note= > >>for the Linux community except to provide platforms which ( > >>HP do because it generates revenues. > >  > > H > > Yes, and that has been good for the adoption of Linux, which is goodH > > for Linux. Sun on the other hand has a history of talking down LinuxH > > (that is changing now) and I don't think that has been good, altough5 > > the impact has probably been very low, for Linux.  > B > You have made the classic mistake of mixing retoric with action. >   @ That is bullshit (to use some of your famous words), it is not aE mistake, it is also about real world. The talking down was real! When B I asked Sun sales and wanted to buy a Linux server some years backF they laughed. This was also the reality even in 2003!, I haven't asked> in 2004. As far as I see retoric and action were very aligned.  C And I don't think mixing retoric and action is a mistake in general D and in this case. Lots of people in the Linux community have got badC feelings about Sun because this retoric. That has not been good for + Sun, and to some extent been bad for Linux.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:54:01 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) . Subject: Re: OpenVMS newbie - AlphaStation 233L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2504040756430001@user-105n87u.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <c6dgh2$3eb$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:     H >I have a 255/233 (which is probably what the above refers to).  It willI >run 7.3-1 with 64 MB ram.  64 MB is the MINIMUM in the SPD for 7.3-2, so F >yes more memory would be good, but not absolutely essential.  (By theD >way, I am running 7.3-1 on a DEC 3000/300 LX with 48 MB RAM.  WorksG >fine.  I suppose I will have to get at least 64 to run 7.3-2, or is it C >possible that 64 is required to INSTALL 7.3-2 but it will run with  >less?)   F The 64 MB is more of a guideline than a hard and fast minimum.  V7.3-2C might work fine in 48 MB.  I doubt anyone in VMS engineering made a J serious effort to test V7.3-2 with less than 64 MB.  Probably at the pointH 32 MB became too small, VMS was tested with 64 and found to work, ending the investigation.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:32:01 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)G Subject: SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicals $ Message-ID: <c6gekh$p54$1@online.de>  G I used to have a disk with label SCRATCH.  When mounted, the /SYS/EXEC  H logical DISK$SCRATCH is created.  For most accounts, SYS$SCRATCH points I to a directory on DISK$SCRATCH.  Now, for various reasons, I have a disk  I with another label as the scratch disk, and DEF/SYS/EXEC DISK$SCRATCH to  G point to this other disk, which is mounted normally and has the normal  ) logical associated with its volume label.   E For various reasons, I don't want to add a logical name to the MOUNT   command.  > What I'm thinking of is defining the DISK$SCRATCH logical as aC cluster-wide logical, rather than in the system table on each node.   D Could this create any problems?  Many applications use SYS$SCRATCH; B suppose it points to a directory on a disk whose name is itself a G logical---could there be an implicit assumption to honour this only if   it is in the SYSTEM directory?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:05:13 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>G Subject: Re: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drive 9 Message-ID: <c6ggip$bjts2$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>    Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > F >>Suppose one wants to upgrade (or install) VMS on a system with no CDJ >>drive.  One method would be to copy the CD to a hard disk, then use that >>in place of the CD.  >  > ? > I have 7.3-1 on a StorageWorks disk (4Gb i think) that I just ? > use as a replacement for the CD. Works fast and just fine. It C > boots just as the CD. Latest use was on my PWS where the CD drive % > didn't boot the VMS distribution...  >   F I've got an ancient and noisy 1GB external disk, which is perfect for I dropping a CD onto. Then I plug it into the target system and away we go.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:50:37 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> G Subject: Re: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drive ' Message-ID: <408BC22D.E19AC31F@aaa.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > F > Suppose one wants to upgrade (or install) VMS on a system with no CDJ > drive.  One method would be to copy the CD to a hard disk, then use that > in place of the CD.   = I have 7.3-1 on a StorageWorks disk (4Gb i think) that I just = use as a replacement for the CD. Works fast and just fine. It A boots just as the CD. Latest use was on my PWS where the CD drive # didn't boot the VMS distribution...   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.229 ************************