1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 27 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 232       Contents:% Re: ALPHAstation 255/233 and PBXGB-AA % Re: ALPHAstation 255/233 and PBXGB-AA , Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit, Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit
 BNU ACCVIO Re: BNU ACCVIO% Demonstration system for BridgeWorks? ( Re: Finding the operating mode of DE500?> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> RE: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... Java RMI as detached Process? A Not available on OpenVMS, but it may just be the 'next big thing' E RE: Not available on OpenVMS, but it may just be the 'next big thing' E Re: Not available on OpenVMS, but it may just be the 'next big thing' E Re: Not available on OpenVMS, but it may just be the 'next big thing' & Re: OpenVMS newbie  - AlphaStation 233% Re: OpenVMS newbie - AlphaStation 233 8 OT: Advertisers are watching your every moves on the web Re: OT: HP and Desktop Blades  Re: Parsing with lexicals ' The JF MEZEI FAQ - Revised and Updated! > Re: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drive> Re: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drive> Re: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drive  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:07:17 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) . Subject: Re: ALPHAstation 255/233 and PBXGB-AA. Message-ID: <9Sejc.423$3m1.1@news.cpqcorp.net>  w In article <c6euth$qga$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: 4 :ALPHAstation 255/233... "PBXGB-AA" graphics card...  H   PBXGB-AA is the PowerStorm 3D30, and one of the more common (and fast)E   2D graphics cards for OpenVMS Alpha in the AlphaStation 255 series.   E :Will this card work with the ALPHAstation 255/233?  Is it "plug and  I :play" or do I have to somehow configure it, get a driver for it, update   :my firmware or whatever?   E   You will want to have current OpenVMS Alpha software, current ECOs, B   and current SRM firmware.  That written, configurations with theD   AlphaStation 255 and a PowerStorm 3D30 have been around for a very5   long time, and were first supported circa V6.1-1Hx.   F   The rotary switch settings for this controller (and for the closely-C   related PowerStorm 4D20) are listed in the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard @   area.  Search the topic titles there for 3D30, or PBXGB, or...  B :What differences will I notice compared to the old graphics card?  E   The PowerStorm 3D30 is one of the faster 2D cards around.  (Still.)   E   Dual-headed PowerStorm 3D30 configurations are easily possible with I   the AlphaStation 255 series running DECwindows Motif, and triple-headed E   configurations can be managed within specific PCI slot constraints.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:21:22 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) . Subject: Re: ALPHAstation 255/233 and PBXGB-AA0 Message-ID: <m3fjc.424$sn1.122@news.cpqcorp.net>  T In article <9Sejc.423$3m1.1@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:x :In article <c6euth$qga$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:5 ::ALPHAstation 255/233... "PBXGB-AA" graphics card...  : I :  PBXGB-AA is the PowerStorm 3D30, and one of the more common (and fast) F :  2D graphics cards for OpenVMS Alpha in the AlphaStation 255 series.  I   ps: I have had "fun" getting the PowerStorm 3D30 to synch with at least H   one LCD panel.  Images were blurry.  I have not completely troubleshotI   this down to the level of the LCD panel or the graphics controller, as  :   other matters (eg: coding) have been far more pressing.   H   The PowerStorm 3D30 does lack many of the resolution settings found onI   and/or expected by various newer LCD panels, and wasn't really intended G   for 60Hz refresh operations.  In classic "Ouch, that Hz" fashion, the H   graphics controller does work very nicely with CRT displays; at higher*   resolutions and higher refresh Hz rates.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:22:28 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit , Message-ID: <Pdydnab_xLf9zhDdRVn-hQ@igs.net>  ? "William Webb" <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in message 7 news:bf98c417.0404260454.1a795ac3@posting.google.com... 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( news:<2OGdnf1NDKFKQBfdRVn-hw@igs.net>...G > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in  message 4 > > news:408A8DDE.B9C11EA7@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > > > [snip]- > > > > Yep, been there, saw that first hand.  > > > > I > > > > However, in this case - after two year $45M very mission critical J > > > > project to convert business logic on OpenVMS to Windows (DB was to stayG > > > > on VMS) went south big time, we are now being called back in to  figureK > > > > out how the powers that be can save their careers for making such a  bad  > > > > mistake. > > > E > > > I know this is drifting off-topic, but perhaps someone here can  educate  > > > me...  > > > J > > > When I was young, I was always taught that "It takes a big person toG > > > admit a mistake", yet in real life it now seems that admitting to  being J > > > wrong is virtually a cardinal transgression. People will go to theirD > > > deaths, biological or professional, before admitting an error. (Optimal. > > > case in point: OpenVMS and advertising.) > > > H > > > It's not easy going through life in the professional world with an I.Q.I > > > equal to my Dad's age when he died (79), but I'm really hoping that L > > > someone can provide a lucid explanation of this phenomenon. I'd really > > > like to understand it. > > > I > > > > Sometimes, I use the analogy that it is like talking to teenagers  i.e.C > > > > no matter how hard you try to give them the benefit of your  experience, J > > > > there are some times where they refuse to listen and you just have to' > > > > let them try it for themselves.  > > > J > > > Another phenomenon that escapes me. Anything "old" is valueless, and; > > > even the "new" loses value with astonishing rapidity.  > > > H > > > Maybe this is why I've become such a "computer nerd". The machines are, > > > at least, comprehensible.  > >  > >  > > Glib answer follows: > > L > > Credit the US legal system. Any admission of any fault in one's logic inG > > making a decision in the first place (assumptions, rationales, data  backing L > > the decision, etc...), or implementation errors (omissions, commissions,K > > logic errors, incomplete analysis, etc...) has, over the years, come to  meanJ > > one thing and one thing only.....blame somebody else and sue their ass off. > > K > > This too is another great American export, along with quarterly earning F > > report-itis, both of which seem to be becoming more widely adopted > > throughout the world.  > > A > The assault on the concept of personal responsibility for one's = > actions is merely one facet of the war on individualism and  > self-reliance. > H > The concept of being responsible for one's actions has been castigatedF > for some time now because it is in direct conflict with the concepts+ > of "group rights" and "collective guilt".  > E > Individual responsibility also interferes with the ability to blame $ > others for one's own shortcomings. > F > And, although I agree with your statement with respect to the myopia > ofH > both shareholders and analysts, I can't completely agree about the the5 > legal morass being completely a U.S.-based problem:  > F > I've read that the Italian legal system makes the one in the US look > like child's play. > F > There are apocryphal tales of lawsuits which have endured beyond theE > temporal existence of not only the plaintiff and the defendant, but F > also the judge and attorneys for both sides who were in place at the > beginning of the trial.   K Every legal system has its own set of horror stories and inefficiences, but G on the whole it appears that the US legal system has more than its fair H share of ridiculously high cost judgements against defendants who shouldI never have been in court in the first place - the Arizona woman who drove K with a hot cup of McDonalds coffee beween her thighs and was surprised, and L scaled, when she squeezed her thighs and the coffee spilled out  (about $5MMJ in damages) - the recent bozo who while driving his RV down the InterstateL put the thing on cruise control, wen to the kitchen to brew a pot of coffee,L and was rudely surprised when the RV failed to negotiate a curve in the roadK and crashed ($1.6MM in damages & an new RV awarded at trial). Complete lack L of the notion of personal responsibility - somebody else has to pay. I won'tG get into the Loewen Group trial in Mississipi about 8 year ago ($1B+ in I damages for a suit that the plaintiffs, at best, should have been awarded  $5MM).    J > > Often what is required in those cases is a lesson from feudal JapaneseL > > society - ritual seppuku by those responsible. This allows for those notA > > responsible the possibility of a 'clean slate' to start anew.  > ; > While I am a strong believer in the concept of individual . > responsiblity for one's actions, I must ask: > , > Isn't the term "ritual seppuku" redundant? > B > (And don't feel compelled to fall on your sword because of this)    K Thanks for being so understanding :-)  As a token gesture perhaps I'll nick F my face once while shaving tomorrow, or maybe give myself a paper cut.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:02:45 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit 2 Message-ID: <c6jtdl$amp$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   John Smith wrote: A > "William Webb" <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in message 9 > news:bf98c417.0404260454.1a795ac3@posting.google.com...  > 0 >>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message > * > news:<2OGdnf1NDKFKQBfdRVn-hw@igs.net>... > F >>>"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in > 	 > message  > 3 >>>news:408A8DDE.B9C11EA7@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net...  >>>  >>>>"Main, Kerry" wrote: >>>> >>>>>[snip] * >>>>>Yep, been there, saw that first hand. >>>>> F >>>>>However, in this case - after two year $45M very mission criticalG >>>>>project to convert business logic on OpenVMS to Windows (DB was to  >  > stay > D >>>>>on VMS) went south big time, we are now being called back in to >  > figure > H >>>>>out how the powers that be can save their careers for making such a >  > bad  > 
 >>>>>mistake.  >>>>C >>>>I know this is drifting off-topic, but perhaps someone here can  > 	 > educate  > 	 >>>>me...  >>>>H >>>>When I was young, I was always taught that "It takes a big person toE >>>>admit a mistake", yet in real life it now seems that admitting to  >  > being  > H >>>>wrong is virtually a cardinal transgression. People will go to theirB >>>>deaths, biological or professional, before admitting an error. > 
 > (Optimal > , >>>>case in point: OpenVMS and advertising.) >>>>F >>>>It's not easy going through life in the professional world with an >  > I.Q. > G >>>>equal to my Dad's age when he died (79), but I'm really hoping that J >>>>someone can provide a lucid explanation of this phenomenon. I'd really >>>>like to understand it. >>>> >>>>F >>>>>Sometimes, I use the analogy that it is like talking to teenagers >  > i.e. > @ >>>>>no matter how hard you try to give them the benefit of your > 
 > experience,  > G >>>>>there are some times where they refuse to listen and you just have  >  > to > $ >>>>>let them try it for themselves. >>>>H >>>>Another phenomenon that escapes me. Anything "old" is valueless, and9 >>>>even the "new" loses value with astonishing rapidity.  >>>>F >>>>Maybe this is why I've become such a "computer nerd". The machines >  > are, >  >>>>at least, comprehensible.  >>>  >>>  >>>Glib answer follows:  >>> K >>>Credit the US legal system. Any admission of any fault in one's logic in F >>>making a decision in the first place (assumptions, rationales, data > 	 > backing  > K >>>the decision, etc...), or implementation errors (omissions, commissions, J >>>logic errors, incomplete analysis, etc...) has, over the years, come to >  > mean > I >>>one thing and one thing only.....blame somebody else and sue their ass  >  > off. > J >>>This too is another great American export, along with quarterly earningE >>>report-itis, both of which seem to be becoming more widely adopted  >>>throughout the world. >>>  >>A >>The assault on the concept of personal responsibility for one's = >>actions is merely one facet of the war on individualism and  >>self-reliance. >>H >>The concept of being responsible for one's actions has been castigatedF >>for some time now because it is in direct conflict with the concepts+ >>of "group rights" and "collective guilt".  >>E >>Individual responsibility also interferes with the ability to blame $ >>others for one's own shortcomings. >>F >>And, although I agree with your statement with respect to the myopia >>ofH >>both shareholders and analysts, I can't completely agree about the the5 >>legal morass being completely a U.S.-based problem:  >>F >>I've read that the Italian legal system makes the one in the US look >>like child's play. >>F >>There are apocryphal tales of lawsuits which have endured beyond theE >>temporal existence of not only the plaintiff and the defendant, but F >>also the judge and attorneys for both sides who were in place at the >>beginning of the trial.  >  > M > Every legal system has its own set of horror stories and inefficiences, but I > on the whole it appears that the US legal system has more than its fair J > share of ridiculously high cost judgements against defendants who shouldK > never have been in court in the first place - the Arizona woman who drove M > with a hot cup of McDonalds coffee beween her thighs and was surprised, and N > scaled, when she squeezed her thighs and the coffee spilled out  (about $5MML > in damages) - the recent bozo who while driving his RV down the InterstateN > put the thing on cruise control, wen to the kitchen to brew a pot of coffee,N > and was rudely surprised when the RV failed to negotiate a curve in the road? > and crashed ($1.6MM in damages & an new RV awarded at trial).   I You must be joking ! This guy should have been trialed for dangerous and  O irresponsible driving. A fitting reward for him, the jury and the judge should  2 have been an 10 year stay in a mental institution.       Complete lack N > of the notion of personal responsibility - somebody else has to pay. I won'tI > get into the Loewen Group trial in Mississipi about 8 year ago ($1B+ in K > damages for a suit that the plaintiffs, at best, should have been awarded  > $5MM). >  >  > I >>>Often what is required in those cases is a lesson from feudal Japanese K >>>society - ritual seppuku by those responsible. This allows for those not @ >>>responsible the possibility of a 'clean slate' to start anew. >>; >>While I am a strong believer in the concept of individual . >>responsiblity for one's actions, I must ask: >>, >>Isn't the term "ritual seppuku" redundant? >>B >>(And don't feel compelled to fall on your sword because of this) >  >  > M > Thanks for being so understanding :-)  As a token gesture perhaps I'll nick H > my face once while shaving tomorrow, or maybe give myself a paper cut. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:31:05 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit , Message-ID: <BsCdnUW9pd84EBDdRVn-ug@igs.net>  + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message , news:c6jtdl$amp$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl... > John Smith wrote: C > > "William Webb" <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in message ; > > news:bf98c417.0404260454.1a795ac3@posting.google.com...  > > 2 > >>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message > > , > > news:<2OGdnf1NDKFKQBfdRVn-hw@igs.net>... > > H > >>>"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in > >  > > message  > > 5 > >>>news:408A8DDE.B9C11EA7@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net...  > >>>  > >>>>"Main, Kerry" wrote: > >>>>
 > >>>>>[snip] , > >>>>>Yep, been there, saw that first hand. > >>>>> H > >>>>>However, in this case - after two year $45M very mission criticalI > >>>>>project to convert business logic on OpenVMS to Windows (DB was to  > >  > > stay > > F > >>>>>on VMS) went south big time, we are now being called back in to > > 
 > > figure > > J > >>>>>out how the powers that be can save their careers for making such a > >  > > bad  > >  > >>>>>mistake.  > >>>>E > >>>>I know this is drifting off-topic, but perhaps someone here can  > >  > > educate  > >  > >>>>me...  > >>>>J > >>>>When I was young, I was always taught that "It takes a big person toG > >>>>admit a mistake", yet in real life it now seems that admitting to  > > 	 > > being  > > J > >>>>wrong is virtually a cardinal transgression. People will go to theirD > >>>>deaths, biological or professional, before admitting an error. > >  > > (Optimal > > . > >>>>case in point: OpenVMS and advertising.) > >>>>H > >>>>It's not easy going through life in the professional world with an > >  > > I.Q. > > I > >>>>equal to my Dad's age when he died (79), but I'm really hoping that L > >>>>someone can provide a lucid explanation of this phenomenon. I'd really > >>>>like to understand it. > >>>> > >>>>H > >>>>>Sometimes, I use the analogy that it is like talking to teenagers > >  > > i.e. > > B > >>>>>no matter how hard you try to give them the benefit of your > >  > > experience,  > > I > >>>>>there are some times where they refuse to listen and you just have  > >  > > to > > & > >>>>>let them try it for themselves. > >>>>J > >>>>Another phenomenon that escapes me. Anything "old" is valueless, and; > >>>>even the "new" loses value with astonishing rapidity.  > >>>>H > >>>>Maybe this is why I've become such a "computer nerd". The machines > >  > > are, > >  > >>>>at least, comprehensible.  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>Glib answer follows:  > >>> J > >>>Credit the US legal system. Any admission of any fault in one's logic inH > >>>making a decision in the first place (assumptions, rationales, data > >  > > backing  > > @ > >>>the decision, etc...), or implementation errors (omissions, commissions,L > >>>logic errors, incomplete analysis, etc...) has, over the years, come to > >  > > mean > > K > >>>one thing and one thing only.....blame somebody else and sue their ass  > >  > > off. > > L > >>>This too is another great American export, along with quarterly earningG > >>>report-itis, both of which seem to be becoming more widely adopted  > >>>throughout the world. > >>>  > >>C > >>The assault on the concept of personal responsibility for one's ? > >>actions is merely one facet of the war on individualism and  > >>self-reliance. > >>J > >>The concept of being responsible for one's actions has been castigatedH > >>for some time now because it is in direct conflict with the concepts- > >>of "group rights" and "collective guilt".  > >>G > >>Individual responsibility also interferes with the ability to blame & > >>others for one's own shortcomings. > >>H > >>And, although I agree with your statement with respect to the myopia > >>ofJ > >>both shareholders and analysts, I can't completely agree about the the7 > >>legal morass being completely a U.S.-based problem:  > >>H > >>I've read that the Italian legal system makes the one in the US look > >>like child's play. > >>H > >>There are apocryphal tales of lawsuits which have endured beyond theG > >>temporal existence of not only the plaintiff and the defendant, but H > >>also the judge and attorneys for both sides who were in place at the > >>beginning of the trial.  > >  > > K > > Every legal system has its own set of horror stories and inefficiences,  but K > > on the whole it appears that the US legal system has more than its fair L > > share of ridiculously high cost judgements against defendants who shouldG > > never have been in court in the first place - the Arizona woman who  drove K > > with a hot cup of McDonalds coffee beween her thighs and was surprised,  and K > > scaled, when she squeezed her thighs and the coffee spilled out  (about  $5MMC > > in damages) - the recent bozo who while driving his RV down the 
 InterstateH > > put the thing on cruise control, wen to the kitchen to brew a pot of coffee, K > > and was rudely surprised when the RV failed to negotiate a curve in the  roadA > > and crashed ($1.6MM in damages & an new RV awarded at trial).  > J > You must be joking ! This guy should have been trialed for dangerous andI > irresponsible driving. A fitting reward for him, the jury and the judge  should4 > have been an 10 year stay in a mental institution.     http://www.stellaawards.com/  F 7. This year's favorite could easily be Mr. Merv Grazinski of OklahomaL City, Oklahoma. Mr. Grazinski purchased a brand new 32-foot Winnebago  motorI home. On his first trip home, having driven onto the freeway,  he set the I cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the drivers seat  to go into the I back and make himself a cup of coffee. Not surprisingly, the RV left  the E freeway, crashed and overturned. Mr. Grazinski sued Winnebago for not J advising him in the owner's manual that he couldn't actually do this.  TheH jury awarded him $1,750,000 plus a new motor home. The company  actuallyL changed their manuals on the basis of this suit, just in case there were any7 other complete morons buying their recreation vehicles.   G [as it turns out, this one was actually a fabrication. Mea culpa and my I apologies for reporting it as being true. However, given some of the real J cases that do in fact make their way into the courts, it has the 'ring' of plausibility about it.]   1 The McDonalds and Loewen suits actually occurred. J http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/nafta/990210loewen_story.htmL If you have access to any reputable newspaper archives on-line, you ought to% be able to find the original stories.     / Man wants to sue cable company for TV addiction 
 Washington January 8, 2004   K A man in the US state of Wisconsin wants to sue a cable television provider E for making him addicted to watching TV, a news report said yesterday.   K Timothy Dumouchel claimed cable TV was also to blame for his wife's gaining K more than 20 kilograms and his kids being "lazy channel surfers", according  to the daily The Reporter.  F Dumouchel told the paper he would settle the suit for $US5000 ($A6505)? dollars, or three computers and lifetime free internet service.   C He said he tried to cancel his cable service four years ago but the  connection remained intact.    DPA    This story was found at:< http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/08/1073437379605.html           http://www.stellaawards.com/        H   7. This year's favorite could easily be Mr. Merv Grazinski of OklahomaL City, Oklahoma. Mr. Grazinski purchased a brand new 32-foot Winnebago  motorI home. On his first trip home, having driven onto the freeway,  he set the I cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the drivers seat  to go into the I back and make himself a cup of coffee. Not surprisingly, the RV left  the E freeway, crashed and overturned. Mr. Grazinski sued Winnebago for not J advising him in the owner's manual that he couldn't actually do this.  TheH jury awarded him $1,750,000 plus a new motor home. The company  actuallyL changed their manuals on the basis of this suit, just in case there were anyK other complete morons buying their recreation vehicles.   [as it turns out, C this one was actually a fabrication. Mea culpa and my apologies for L reporting it as being true. However, given some of the real cases that do inL fact make their way into the courts, it has the 'ring' of plausibility about it.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:47:49 +0200 - From: Marc Van Dyck <marc.vandyck@brutele.be>  Subject: BNU ACCVIO : Message-ID: <mesnews.d51b7d44.781dc1ad.398.584@brutele.be>   Hello,  1 Since our latest upgrade (V7.3-2), BNU constantly 7 crashes on our development system. Bookshelf navigation 4 works fine, but any attempt to open an HTML document3 results in an access violation... Although netscape 3 works very well when launched directly from the DCL  prompt.   5 1) any idea what it might be - things to check, etc ?   6 2) any way to retire the old nescape and replace it by9    cswb, a.k.a. mozilla in bnu ? I know about the bnu.dat 3    resource file, but it seems to expect a .exe for 0    the html viewer, and mozilla is launched by a    .com ...   # Thanks in advance for all the help,    --  
 Marc Van Dyck    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:39:14 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: BNU ACCVIO 0 Message-ID: <Srejc.419$hj1.206@news.cpqcorp.net>  j In article <mesnews.d51b7d44.781dc1ad.398.584@brutele.be>, Marc Van Dyck <marc.vandyck@brutele.be> writes:  2 :Since our latest upgrade (V7.3-2), BNU constantly8 :crashes on our development system. Bookshelf navigation5 :works fine, but any attempt to open an HTML document 4 :results in an access violation... Although netscape4 :works very well when launched directly from the DCL :prompt.  H   This looks like it might be a known bug underneath Netscape Navigator.  I   After you have installed the mandatory updates for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 J   -- and installing the mandatory updates does fix the case that I'm awareK   of -- I'd then encourage you to then contact the support center directly, 5   assuming you can continue to reproduce the problem.   7 :2) any way to retire the old nescape and replace it by : :   cswb, a.k.a. mozilla in bnu ? I know about the bnu.dat4 :   resource file, but it seems to expect a .exe for1 :   the html viewer, and mozilla is launched by a  :   .com ...  K   I typically use Mozilla directly, and (for those manuals where Bookreader I   is still necessitated) I invoke Bookreader directly.  (Though no longer I   supported, Netscape Navigator is faster than Mozilla on the older Alpha     systems; on pre-EV56 systems.)  I   If you want to use Mozilla under BNU, I'd encourage direct contact with C   the support center; I'd formally ask for this support.  (I do not H   immediately know how to configure this, assuming that it is feasible.)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:05:59 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>. Subject: Demonstration system for BridgeWorks?7 Message-ID: <S9cjc.8051$7a5.247@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   M Doe HP have an OpenVMS system that is connected to the Internet for purposes  M of demonstrating how BridgeWorks can be used to put a web-based front-end on  H a traditional green-screen application?  I'm looking for a side-by-side M comparison of the original green-screen and the web-based front-end that can  F be created using BridgeWorks and, say, a Tomcat-based web application.     TIA,   Chuck  --   Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2004 00:01:09 GMT7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) 1 Subject: Re: Finding the operating mode of DE500? % Message-ID: <2004Apr27.000109@hujicc>    Thanks to all who answered me!,                                    __Yehavi:   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2004 12:21:10 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404261121.6a26e149@posting.google.com>   ^ "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c6j6nk$8sc$1@news.cybercity.dk>... > N > Let us begin with assuming that someone wants to attack VMS systems.  Let usK > assume that these systems are set up with normal user accounts.  Further, I > the network is set up in such a way that there is no documented method, N > where a person who is not user on the system can transfer code to any of theI > systems and then execute it.  The person that wants to attack these VMS I > systems could easily write a virus or a Trojan horse.  His only problem N > would be to get someone to execute the virus or Trojan horse on at least oneH > of the systems.  Thus VMS is as easy to attack with viruses and TrojanJ > horses as any other general purpose systems.  You need virus scanners orL > something like Microsoft's Palladium to protect your self from viruses andH > Trojan horses.  Thus VMS is in a way easier to attack with viruses andN > Trojan horses than Windows because there are no virus scanners for VMS.  TheN > viruses are on Windows because they can be implemented as macros in Word andL > Excel documents, because so many people use illegally copied programs, and* > because Windows is cheap and widespread. > J > You need to find a security bug in order to successfully attack VMS withH > worms.  It will be difficult to find bugs that allow for more than DOSN > attacks because of how the networking packages are designed with the bulk ofN > the code executing in user mode.  I hope the networking packages are writtenJ > such that privileges are only enabled when needed.  On Alphas you cannotE > exploit buffer overflows to execute code transferred in the buffer. M > However, there are always bugs in code, and it is rash to assume that there I > are not security related bugs in the networking packages for VMS.  This N > makes it rash to assume that VMS systems cannot be attacked from the networkL > using, a.go., worms.  However, finding the bugs will most likely take lots? > of time, and it is not something you could do in a few hours.  >  > Karsten Nyblad! > ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com   A well, if there were viruses, Sophos anti-virus for VMS could find ? them, but from the sounds of the following from their web site, = none seem to exist at present ... only windoze/unix/linux ...   < http://www.sophos.com/support/knowledgebase/article/163.html  3 Can my OpenVMS system become infected with a virus?   B There are currently no known viruses which infect OpenVMS systems.C However, it is often useful for an OpenVMS system to scan files for - viruses which infect other operating systems.   5 This could be the case when an OpenVMS system is used   5 As a file server for Windows computers and Macs (e.g.  Pathworks/Advanced Server). % To provide an ALL-IN-1 file cabinet.  3 For processing email with attachments (e.g. PMDF). 	E In addition, Sophos Anti-Virus for OpenVMS installed as an InterCheckPD server for central virus reporting can provide on-access logging for client computers.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:39:02 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> G Subject: RE: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB313CAD@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----< > From: glen herrmannsfeldt [mailto:gah@ugcs.caltech.edu]=20 > Sent: April 26, 2004 1:15 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-? > Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher=20m > for Dave ... >=20 > Bob Koehler wrote: >=20< > > In article <c6c39b$2qa$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten=20% > Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:e >=20? > >>Indeed.  However, Bob was claiming that VMS could not be=20e > attacked withu= > >>viruses.  A virus is not a worm.  I do not know of any=20u > general purpose @ > >>operating system that cannot be attacked with viruses and=20 > Trojan horses.  IfG > >>Bob had written that VMS could not be attacked with worms, then hiso5 > >>statement would have been rash but not ridicules.a >=20? > >    I don't see how you can make that claim since VMS has=20  > been attackedt > >    by worms. >=20 >=20G > There is a very good reason that VMS is not attacked by worms, and ite. > doesn't have at all to do with VMS security. >=20@ > I remember from about ten years ago hearing that there were=20 > more attacksI > on Solaris systems than SunOS systems, though there were likely many=20sG > more holes known in SunOS.   It has to do with the number of machinese$ > out there running a particular OS. >=20G > I believe that Windows and Solaris are still the popular web servers,eE > and so are favorites for worm attacks.   The statistics are againstnE > almost every other OS.  Unless VMS becomes popular as a web server,i2 > there isn't much reason for worm writers to try. >=20< > This reminds me of the story about being chased by a bear.; > You don't have to run faster than the bear, you only need , > to run faster than the person next to you. >=20	 > -- glen. >=20   Glenn,  * I have to disagree to a certain degree.=20  D While there is certainly an element of truth to this, the reality isF that the virus and hackers will typically migrate to the path of leastE resistance. Why spend huge amounts of time to find out that you stilldE need to find a way to get elevated priv's on an OpenVMS server before  you can do any damage?  H On other platforms, getting elevated priv's has proven to be a whole lot0 easier, hence the number of events in the press.  H This "it depends on volume" argument does not hold water as Apache is byG far more widely used Web Server on the Internet, but I would be willingeF to bet that there are far more security patches for IIS than there are for Apache.=20   Design is a bigger factor.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660e Fax: 613-591-44772 Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomk. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2004 15:24:20 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...h= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404261424.24cc3466@posting.google.com>   ^ "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c6a5sa$g9m$1@news.cybercity.dk>...7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message-8 > news:d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com...+ > > because VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS!  Capice?e >  > Hahahahahahahahahahahaha > N > Bob you write many ridiculous thing, but that statement has to compete among7 > the most laughable statements written on comp.os.vms.n > E > The late Carl Lydick wrote a virus that infected .COM files just to L > demonstrate that it could be done.  For obvious reasons he never publishedL > it, but I have no reason not to believe Carl wrote it.  I think, writing aK > virus that infects .COM files should not be that hard.  I think most .COMf > programmers could do that. > C > I have heard that somebody else also wrote a virus, but I have noe
 > references.  > L > Anybody can write an image file that can be executed, and thus a virus canI > also write an image file.  I have myself patched TPU using TPU as image K > editor.  I have also transferred Kermit with Kermit.  Then the format wasaL > erroneous and I fixed the image file with a small program, I wrote myself. > J > Bob, I hope you are not responsible for the security of any VMS used for > something serious. >  > Karsten Nyblad! > ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot comc  < and I can do the same ... only one little thing ... you need= the privlidges to run it ... good luck on your virus writing,c- and let us know when you come up with one ...l   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2004 15:31:00 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...r= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404261431.78826e76@posting.google.com><  v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<qnojCc7SHcLR@eisner.encompasserve.org>...i > In article <d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  >  > > VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS! . > I >    Sorry, but that's just not true.  You probably won't find a nice big E >    security hole to pass your virus through, but you can write one.e > K >    And  I'm sure somewhere, someone, has placed a VMS system on a networkWG >    with a major configuration error that would provide that big hole.4 > $ >    VMS just doesn't ship that way.  < that is what I am saying ... HELLO ... A PROPERLY CONFIGURED= VMS SYSTEM IS IMMUNE TO ALL VIRUSES, WORMS AND WHAT EVER ELSEm< YOU CAN THINK OF ... when you find one, please report it to < CERT so the count of 13 from the last 10 years can increment
 by one ...   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2004 15:33:12 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...n= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404261433.647a799f@posting.google.com>h  v Andrew Harrison <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> wrote in message news:<c68o69$n3k$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > Bob Ceculski wrote: a > > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c67mf7$l0$1@news.cybercity.dk>...  > > 9 > >>"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageh; > >>news:d7791aa1.0404211441.14cd912e@posting.google.com...  > >>I > >>>Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in messagec > >>1 > >> news:<c66bdh$rua$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...t > >>< > >>>>Well he may not but Solaris uses PAM and it would also% > >>>>appear that HP-UX does as well.r > >>>> > >>>> > >>T > >> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=tis07674 > >>@ > >>>>I cannot be bothered to look and see if AIX does but sinceC > >>>>Solaris and HP-UX are the 1st and 2and largest UNIX platformsyC > >>>>its rather safe to say that the majority of UNIX platforms doa: > >>>>not fit the description you applied to them earlier. > >>>eC > >>>one description they fit is they are both convuluted, unsecure  > >>>unreliable garbage ...e > >>L > >>In <c5qav1$c7d$1@news.cybercity.dk> I asked you which CERT reports couldP > >>have been avoided if Unix did not execute user programs and command languageL > >>interpreter in separate.  Why don't you answer that question in stead of% > >>trolling?  Don't you have answer?h > >> > >>Karsten Nyblad# > >>ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot come > >  > > ? > > and while you are checking out the cert counts for the last @ > > ten years, check out this link below to TCPware, an IP stack< > > for VMS ... notice the few certs listed had no or littleA > > effect (access violation error) on VMS ... how did unix fare?s > >  > 5 > And while you are at it Bob why not reflect on that)< > fact that you have never managed to justify the comparison: > of OpenVMS vs any other OS using CERT counts because you? > have never managed to explain why OpenVMS security advisoriesr= > do not get posted to CERT reliably or even to explain wherei= > you ought to look for them as CERT is the last place to go.  > = > I have asked you to justify your claims or quit making themi: > on more occasions than is worth recalling you have never; > managed and all you are doing now is the standard openVMSe
 > CERT troll.b > = > so I will ask you again, justify your claims or quit makingt > them.  >  > 	 > Regardsu > ANdrew Harrisone  : you want justification, I will give you 19 years of it ...9 CERT will give you the same, along with Sophos or any oneo7 else who KNOWS VMS ... and windows/unix/linux without ai& kernel rewrite will always be GARBAGE!   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2004 15:35:29 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...t= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404261435.42065547@posting.google.com>l   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c6asop$e9l$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...a > Bob Ceculski wrote: z > > Andrew Harrison <andrew.d.harrison_remove_the_d@sun.com> wrote in message news:<c68o69$n3k$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > > 7 > >>And while you are at it Bob why not reflect on thatm> > >>fact that you have never managed to justify the comparison< > >>of OpenVMS vs any other OS using CERT counts because youA > >>have never managed to explain why OpenVMS security advisoriesa? > >>do not get posted to CERT reliably or even to explain wheren? > >>you ought to look for them as CERT is the last place to go.  > >>? > >>I have asked you to justify your claims or quit making thema< > >>on more occasions than is worth recalling you have never= > >>managed and all you are doing now is the standard openVMS  > >>CERT troll.r > >>? > >>so I will ask you again, justify your claims or quit makingr	 > >>them.e > >> > >>Regardst > >>ANdrew Harrisonn > >  > > ? > > I just did ... if you would click on the above link for the < > > TCPware and multinet cert advisories, they clearly state@ > > that there was no security risk or at worse access violation@ > > error for these certs, which means they are no security risk> > > for VMS, which means you don't post something on cert that- > > is irrelevant to VMS security ... capice?o >  >  > > > Since when did TCPware and Multinet become the only possible= > sources of Security violations in OpenVMS and therefore thec$ > only place that you need to look ? > 	 > Regardsu > Andrew Harrison   8 CERT is where you look ... you can go their now and look8 at over 1000 CERTS for slowaris ... tell us how many you find for VMS ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:53:46 +0800a, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...u- Message-ID: <87r7ua348l.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i  , "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:  N > Let us begin with assuming that someone wants to attack VMS systems.  Let usK > assume that these systems are set up with normal user accounts.  Further, I > the network is set up in such a way that there is no documented method,KN > where a person who is not user on the system can transfer code to any of theI > systems and then execute it.  The person that wants to attack these VMStI > systems could easily write a virus or a Trojan horse.  His only problem>N > would be to get someone to execute the virus or Trojan horse on at least oneH > of the systems.  Thus VMS is as easy to attack with viruses and Trojan. > horses as any other general purpose systems.  J Why? I can screw M$ systems with e-mail, http, or by finessing an exe ontoN the machine for a user to run for me. How do you get a mail message to executeI on VMS? And how, if you do get this done, do you break out of the processn+ your code is in to get elevated privelege?    E Not hand wave, give explicit details. I'd give you an example, but itu was canceled :)s   -- p< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.l@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:52:51 +0200g* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... - Message-ID: <c6k7cn$2n7e$1@news.cybercity.dk>   5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0404261121.6a26e149@posting.google.com... C > well, if there were viruses, Sophos anti-virus for VMS could findeA > them, but from the sounds of the following from their web site, ? > none seem to exist at present ... only windoze/unix/linux ...e  L That sssumes that they know how to scan for viruses that attach VMS, or thatJ they can use primitive bit map pattern maching to catch the virus.  If youL use the technics used on IA-32 computers to disguise you virus, then I thinkH it could take some time before Sophus could develop an efficient filter.  L Please note that DCL substitutes symbols before scanning and parsing commandL lines.  You can use it to write really unreadable DCL code, or with a bit of3 imagenation to disguise a virus to a virus scanner.s  > > http://www.sophos.com/support/knowledgebase/article/163.html  J I think you have copied a wrong link.  I get an other article than the one. you are refering.  I think the link should be:< http://www.sophos.com/support/knowledgebase/article/156.html   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:11:02 +0200>* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...o- Message-ID: <c6k8ep$2qmt$1@news.cybercity.dk>h  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:VBWe7VI7LyZs@eisner.encompasserve.org...w? > In article <c6j6nk$8sc$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad"> <nospam@nospam.com> writes:  >o9 > > Thus VMS is as easy to attack with viruses and Trojano0 > > horses as any other general purpose systems. >uA >    I have to disagree with you on that.  Since no virus for VMSnE >    has ever been released to the wild, you'ld first have to find org> >    create one, then find a security hole to poke it through.  J In my view a virus always use social engineering to get through, i.e., getJ some poor bastard to execute the code.  On Windows that would typically beL the victim receiving a word document with a macro, and when the victim opensI the documents, the macro copies itself to other documents.  Or the victime1 downloads an illegal, infected copy of a program.s  E >    On Windows security experts claim there are 120000 or more knownhH >    virus, of which most virus scanners protect against 50000 to 75000. >cF >    It should be much easier to just go out and find one of the 45000H >    or more unblocked viruses for Windows than to write one of your own
 >    for VMS.b  J Do you realize how easy it is to write a virus in DCL?  Any DCL programmerI should be capable of doing that in an afternoon.  Hint: write a loop that I searches for .com files.  Check if the files found are infected.  If not,t copy the virus.i   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:01:56 +0200$* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...o, Message-ID: <c6kbe9$1cr$1@news.cybercity.dk>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagen7 news:d7791aa1.0404261424.24cc3466@posting.google.com...c7 > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message ( news:<c6a5sa$g9m$1@news.cybercity.dk>...9 > > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message : > > news:d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com...- > > > because VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS!  Capice?n > > L >> [Description by me (Karsten Nyblad) on how easi it is to write code files" on VMS removed to shoten posting.]> > and I can do the same ... only one little thing ... you need? > the privlidges to run it ... good luck on your virus writing, / > and let us know when you come up with one ...n  D ????  I do not understand.  A virus attacks by getting the victim toF unknowingly execute it, e.g., you receive a Word document with a macroH virus, and because you do not realize that the document is infected, youH open it, which makes Word execute the virus.  On VMS (or other OSes) theI virus writer does not need any privileges for a virus attack.  He needs a,K way of fooling victims into executing an already infected DCL file or imageRH file.  If the victim has privileges, e.g., BYPASS, then the virus can beK made more contagious because then the virus can infect not only the victims$A files but also the operating system's files and other user files.m   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:19:34 +0200 * From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...i, Message-ID: <c6kcfb$39b$1@news.cybercity.dk>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageA7 news:d7791aa1.0404261431.78826e76@posting.google.com...MH > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message/ news:<qnojCc7SHcLR@eisner.encompasserve.org>... @ > > In article <d7791aa1.0404221456.bac7f8b@posting.google.com>,* bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > >B > > > VMS CAN'T GET A VIRUS! > >>K > >    Sorry, but that's just not true.  You probably won't find a nice big G > >    security hole to pass your virus through, but you can write one.r > >nE > >    And  I'm sure somewhere, someone, has placed a VMS system on at networkiI > >    with a major configuration error that would provide that big hole.  > >e& > >    VMS just doesn't ship that way. > > > that is what I am saying ... HELLO ... A PROPERLY CONFIGURED? > VMS SYSTEM IS IMMUNE TO ALL VIRUSES, WORMS AND WHAT EVER ELSE = > YOU CAN THINK OF ... when you find one, please report it to.> > CERT so the count of 13 from the last 10 years can increment > by one ...  K Bob, You have a wrong conception of what a virus is.  A virus is a piece ofvI code that attaches itself to command language files or program files (DCLnJ files or image files on VMS.)  The code of the virus will be executed whenL the command language file or the image file is executed.  The virus containsK code to copy itself to other command languages or program files.  The virus L infects new systems by fooling somebody into copying an infected file to theL system and the execute the file.  VMS has no mechanism for protecting itselfJ from a user copying an infected file on to the system and then execute it.H All you can hope for is that the normal file protection system will save you.   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:01:55 +0200e* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...a, Message-ID: <c6keum$85s$1@news.cybercity.dk>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87r7ua348l.fsf@prep.synonet.com...A. > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: >m9 >>  Thus VMS is as easy to attack with viruses and Trojans0 > > horses as any other general purpose systems. >eL > Why? I can screw M$ systems with e-mail, http, or by finessing an exe ontoH > the machine for a user to run for me. How do you get a mail message to execute K > on VMS? And how, if you do get this done, do you break out of the process , > your code is in to get elevated privelege?  F The reason why it is so easy to attack Windows by E-mail is the stupidJ E-mail clients that automatically executes attached files.  Put an equallyL stupid E-mail client on a VMS systems, and VMS will get the same problems asH Windows with viruses and worms spreading through E-mail.  I do not blame. Windows for Microsoft's stupid E-mail clients.  J In order to attach with HTTP, you need a browser or a web server.  NeitherG are part of VMS.  But disregarding that, you need a security bug to get H through.  Viruses do not use security bugs to get through.  They use the  naivety of users to get through.  J The reason why VMS is not attacked by EXE files being finessed onto it, isG that there is no place where VMS users trade illegally copied programs. K Windows users install programs they get from P2P networks, binary groups onlK Usenet or by cheap from dubious sources.  The users getting infected cannoteK warn others, because that would disclose their low moral and they might getpK into legal troubles.  VMS is as vulnerable to viruses in EXE files finessedn into the system as Windows is.  G Somebody might try to cheat an administrator of an FTP site to carry aneL infected file, but there chances of getting the administrator to do that areG not that big if the administrator does not know that somebody.  In mostnJ cases the administrator would ask for source file, so that the code can beK checked.  Downloaders will warn the administrator if they find any infected  file.a   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot como   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:42:07 GMTs0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...g/ Message-ID: <3Mjjc.44885$_L6.3266546@attbi_s53>w   Main, Kerry wrote:  	 (I wrote)n  G >>There is a very good reason that VMS is not attacked by worms, and it . >>doesn't have at all to do with VMS security.   (snip)G >>I believe that Windows and Solaris are still the popular web servers,aE >>and so are favorites for worm attacks.   The statistics are againstdE >>almost every other OS.  Unless VMS becomes popular as a web server,t2 >>there isn't much reason for worm writers to try.  < >>This reminds me of the story about being chased by a bear.; >>You don't have to run faster than the bear, you only needs, >>to run faster than the person next to you.  * > I have to disagree to a certain degree.   F > While there is certainly an element of truth to this, the reality isH > that the virus and hackers will typically migrate to the path of leastG > resistance. Why spend huge amounts of time to find out that you stilltG > need to find a way to get elevated priv's on an OpenVMS server before  > you can do any damage?  = Why spend all that time when there are so few OpenVMS serversd# compared to Solaris or W2K servers?m  J > On other platforms, getting elevated priv's has proven to be a whole lot2 > easier, hence the number of events in the press.  @ A trojan could probably get through.  If OpenVMS were as popular@ as windows, and enough freeware were passed around.  It might beB that OpenVMS users are better at not running with excess privilegeA levels.   People are getting better at running unix systems whereiB server programs don't run root unless absolutely necessary, unlike they used to be.  J > This "it depends on volume" argument does not hold water as Apache is byI > far more widely used Web Server on the Internet, but I would be willing H > to bet that there are far more security patches for IIS than there are > for Apache.   = The ones I know of attack other services that are usually runu> on those systems.   OS/2 is probably not so hard to break, and$ I have never heard of an OS/2 virus.  > I am not saying that the protection isn't there, only that the> gain is not enough to make it worthwhile to attack compared to; other systems.   Many of them work on randomly selecting IPu= addresses, and so would spread very slowly attacking OpenVMS.6   -- glenr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:41:57 +0100i( From: "Andoni" <andoni@REMOVE.indigo.ie>& Subject: Java RMI as detached Process?1 Message-ID: <idgjc.5730$qP2.13812@news.indigo.ie>s   Hello,  K I am trying to run a Java RMI program as a detached process and it does not  seem to be possible.  J My RMI server works fine and if I register the Java Server with it from myL telnet window there is no problem and I can access it from my client program
 over the web.i  J When I try to run my Java Server program as a detached Process it will notK work.  I have all the permissions set open and the program runs fine but it.1 will not register itself with the rmiserver part.h  G Does anyone know of any reason why this may not be working?  Has anyoneh found this problem before?   Please help if you can,e  
 Kind regards,m   Andoni.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:25:52 -0400b# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> J Subject: Not available on OpenVMS, but it may just be the 'next big thing', Message-ID: <yMednYhM7aRk0hDdRVn-ug@igs.net>   http://www.eclipse.org/e  J My gut tells me this will be big. Don't bother searching on their site forF 'VMS' because all it will return is VMs. You get zero (0) results when searching on OpenVMS.-  E HP's university open source porting project for OpenVMS might want tor) consider adding this to the 'to-do' list.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:26:16 -0400e' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>aN Subject: RE: Not available on OpenVMS, but it may just be the 'next big thing'R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB313CA9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20  > Sent: April 25, 2004 9:26 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come> > Subject: Not available on OpenVMS, but it may just be the=20 > 'next big thing' >=20 > http://www.eclipse.org/h >=20@ > My gut tells me this will be big. Don't bother searching on=20 > their site forH > 'VMS' because all it will return is VMs. You get zero (0) results when > searching on OpenVMS.c >=20G > HP's university open source porting project for OpenVMS might want tor+ > consider adding this to the 'to-do' list.R >=20 >=20   John,g  H In the Open Source world, there are 2 big gorillas when it comes to J2EEF dev environments - NetBeans (Sun driven, but has some flexibility) and? Eclipse (previously IBM driven, but this group is becoming selfh sufficient now).  ? NetBeans is what HP has currently ported to OpenVMS. Reference:pE http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/overview.htmla  E Remains to be seen if the Netbeans and Eclipse movements will join inhF the future. Rumour has it that they will as a means to avoid splittingH the J2EE movement and giving an advantage to Microsoft's single .Net dev
 community.   Regardsh  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantc HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660u Fax: 613-591-4477n Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomy. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:25:45 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>N Subject: Re: Not available on OpenVMS, but it may just be the 'next big thing': Message-ID: <Fscjc.51678$Yw5.14455@bignews4.bellsouth.net>   John Smith wrote:i   > http://www.eclipse.org/s > L > My gut tells me this will be big. Don't bother searching on their site forH > 'VMS' because all it will return is VMs. You get zero (0) results when > searching on OpenVMS.; > G > HP's university open source porting project for OpenVMS might want tog+ > consider adding this to the 'to-do' list.     H I'm using it right now to write JSPs and Java servlet code that targets J Tomcat running on OpenVMS.  With all of the low-cost add-ons for Eclipse, M I'm finding it to be a an extremely low-cost solution for a J2EE development s toolkit.     -- - Chuck Choppg  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:30:24 GMTo% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>$N Subject: Re: Not available on OpenVMS, but it may just be the 'next big thing': Message-ID: <krdjc.559$0L4.142@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:yMednYhM7aRk0hDdRVn-ug@igs.net... > http://www.eclipse.org/d >yL > My gut tells me this will be big. Don't bother searching on their site forH > 'VMS' because all it will return is VMs. You get zero (0) results when > searching on OpenVMS.  >-G > HP's university open source porting project for OpenVMS might want toc+ > consider adding this to the 'to-do' list.0 >7  F NetBeans is similar to Eclipse and it runs on VMS.  HP also has a freeG plug-in for NetBeans that lets you run NetBeans on another platform but- compile/run/debug on OpenVMS.e   You can get details at:   8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:53:23 +020005 From: "Berdt van der Lingen" <berdt@n0spam-xs4all.nl> / Subject: Re: OpenVMS newbie  - AlphaStation 233-4 Message-ID: <408d5aaa$0$562$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>  L > > I'm a OpenVMS beginner and I want to learn the OpenVMS operating system.L > > Is a AlphaStation 233 with 64 mb ram and a 2 gb SCSI disk suitable for a > > newbie?o > > Should I buy more ram? ><F >    I would buy more RAM, but what you have will work if you can deal! >    with the performance impact.i  D Thanks for your answers and suggestions. I'll upgrade the ram of the- machines (I have two identical Alphastations) A I think I'll buy a Fujitsu 36,7GB 15.000rpm (MAM3367) to increased performance even more.G This disk is available for about 200 Euro's in the Netherlands, so thise seems to be a good investment.   regards,   BvdL   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:38:02 GMTn# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)e. Subject: Re: OpenVMS newbie - AlphaStation 233/ Message-ID: <eGcjc.392$d51.46@news.cpqcorp.net>   w In article <c6dgh2$3eb$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: C :In article <1040424053359.12017D-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santoss :<JOHN@egh.com> writes:  :VM :> > I'm a OpenVMS beginner and I want to learn the OpenVMS operating system.bM :> > Is a AlphaStation 233 with 64 mb ram and a 2 gb SCSI disk suitable for au :> > newbie? :> > Should I buy more ram?d :>  B :> 64MB is marginal.  It will work, but it will work *much* better@ :> with more memory.  128 would help a lot.  256MB is probably aB :> good amount unless you are running Mozilla and/or lots of Java,C :> in which case, 512 or 1GB would serve you well!  In other words,D :> it depends. :sH :I have a 255/233 (which is probably what the above refers to).  It willI :run 7.3-1 with 64 MB ram.  64 MB is the MINIMUM in the SPD for 7.3-2, soh= :yes more memory would be good, but not absolutely essential.a  E   64 MB is the minimum recommended to boot OpenVMS and core pieces ofrI   the environment -- applications will likely require additional physical 7   memory beyond that value.  Check the SPD for details.   L :(By the way, I am running 7.3-1 on a DEC 3000/300 LX with 48 MB RAM.  WorksG :fine.  I suppose I will have to get at least 64 to run 7.3-2, or is itgC :possible that 64 is required to INSTALL 7.3-2 but it will run withc :less?)   H   Performance degrades as memory is constrained, and memory requirementsF   depend on what you are using, and expectations depend on the user atE   the keyboard.   Memory-constrained systems also tend to have little H   or no I/O cache available, meaning I/O performance is greatly reduced.E   (I'm an avowed processor and memory hog, and accustomized to systemoF   performance -- I gave up on a local DEC 3000 and an AlphaStation 255E   some time ago.  Others are clearly less resource-intensive in theirs>   (mis:-)uses of OpenVMS, or are far more patient than I.  :-)    F :Of course, Mozilla requires a lot, but then again your machine might , :also be too slow to make Mozilla practical.  I   I'd expect this system would be too slow for Mozilla as a daily driver.rJ   I ran an AlphaStation 255/300 (EV4s at 300 MHz) with 192 MB, and MozillaK   was not what I would consider usable.  I'd personally not want to use anygJ   Alpha system below EV56 with (at least) 256 MB memory, if I were looking?   to use Mozilla.  Other web browsers are available, obviously.i  G :I think more important than more memory is a second disk.  Definitely eF :have a dedicated disk for the system, and put other stuff on another  :disk.    G   "Big" SCSI disks and external BA35x series enclosures show up on eBaynI   with some regularity, and there are various used-equipment vendors with1   "big" disks available.  J   I'd want to bring the configuration to (at least) 256 megabytes, and I'dE   also want more disk storage.  And I'd want a faster processor.  :-)2  K   To get a taste of OpenVMS, you can likely boot and use what you have, but=L   do please realize that the system performance will be very low.  Long bootH   times, slow image startups, low (or no) I/O caching, etc.  And you areF   obviously using one of the oldest and slowest Alpha microprocessors    around, too.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:08:36 -0400.- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>eA Subject: OT: Advertisers are watching your every moves on the web , Message-ID: <408D5E32.D0C45067@teksavvy.com>  9 http://news.com.com/2100-1024_3-5199509.html?tag=nefd.tope  K Very interesting article on how ad companies are tracking your moves on thenL net to send you targetted advertising. The scary part is that when you leave2 one web site to go to another, they know about it.  J The example given is that if you read a home renovation article in the NewJ York Times, and then go to another site that has advertising, you are then! likely to see ads for Home Depot.   N I think that all browsers should disable the "onunload" action when a web pageM is closed.  This article confirms to me that keeping javascript turned off ist
 a good thing.r  K What I don't quite understand is how these ad companies end up knowing your  name and telephone number.  M It seems that the US government isn't the only one to whome the "Big brother" ? monicker can be applied. Ad companies are going bezerk on this.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:14:34 GMTr# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)a& Subject: Re: OT: HP and Desktop Blades/ Message-ID: <ekcjc.389$d51.91@news.cpqcorp.net>d  O In article <4089e148$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Dan Notov" <danno@hp.com> writes:dG :Au contraire, it's called CCI, for Consolidated Client Infrastructure:r :http://www.hp.com/go/cci/ : ? :"Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message - :news:40898C30.65AA7BD4@firstdbasource.com...PK :> the words desktop and blade are diametrically opposed to each other. TheiK :> data center I just left, had 6-8 racks of the HP blade servers that were-' :> primarily used as Citrix servers....2  F   Some desktops are effectively already a blade in a single-blade box.J   While the mechanicals involved would tend to make use of an actual bladeJ   more expensive than a purpose-built box, obviously, I can easily see theI   (re)use of blade components and concepts inside a desktop box.  What islH   a blade but a very dense box containing disk, memory, and storage, andA   what is a Small Form Factor desktop or a thin client box but a a   single-instance blade?  I   The thin-client approach discussed at the CCI web site is a way to moveaH   the effort and to reduce the costs of maintaining the desktop clients J   into a more centralized and far more dense environment using blade-basedH   servers; to configure clients and blade servers.  OpenVMS has had thisJ   basic computing configuration available for many years (traditional dumbJ   terminals, X Windows terminals, Multia systems, workstations, eXcursion,H   etc), and now folks using Microsoft Windows are now seeing some of theK   management and support benefits of these and similar such configurations.r  K   The iPAQ Desktops and the Evo Small Form Factor system configurations aremJ   quite powerful and with a small footprint, and the available thin clientK   boxes such as the t5000 series -- http://www.hp.com/products/thinclients, K   think webserver crossed with a smart terminal -- can be a very economical *   means to maintain and to secure clients.  K   If you open the Evo series, for instance, you'll see common system boardseL   across a number of the models, and add-on mechanisms that allow the extra I   volume inside the box to be configured and utilized for storage, or for I   additional PCI slots, etc.  Various of the Itanium systems have similar I   internal similarities, with differing storage and I/O options available F   based on the physical enclosure and/or the target use, for instance.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqnN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:03:34 GMTo# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)o" Subject: Re: Parsing with lexicals0 Message-ID: <a2djc.398$d51.393@news.cpqcorp.net>  x In article <U76jc.11533$gH6.8972@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> writes:  < :...I need to parse the output from SHOW QUEUE MY$QUEUE /ALL  C   Unsupported, subject to change without notice, potentially likely &   to break at unexpected moments, etc.  @ : then search for the line containing my job name "DAILY BACKUP" :and grab the entry number.0 :a! :I can then do a delete/entry=123-, :The goal here is to put delete/entry=123 in :a captive menu. :m1 :Can this be parsed in DLC? Examples if possible.H  I   Existing discussions of the f$getqui lexical within the OpenVMS Ask The1@   Wizard area -- ways to perform the task in a fully-supported, J   upward-compatible and entirely documented means -- include the followingH   topics: (813), (1240), (2159), (3951), (4546), (4568), (4903), (5188),G   (5471), (5567), (5651), (5793), (5982), (6315), (6877), (9130), etc.  D   Probably some others.  There are full DCL examples of the f$getquiH   lexical posted within these, various of which will likely be of direct   use to you here.  (     http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/wizard/  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqaN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comt   ------------------------------  , Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:30:07 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>h0 Subject: The JF MEZEI FAQ - Revised and Updated!8 Message-ID: <6bccd5e273f7dae44471ff4a0087b1ec@dizum.com>   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI   (Rev. Apr. 24, 2004)   1.  Who is JF Mezei?  G Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever hit J rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also one of the) longest running trolls in usenet history.e  J ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND E-MAILO ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS THEIR MESSAGES.***   I If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor thetK control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your messages, J forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and usenet@news.wplus.net .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.n   3.  Where does he live?h   Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezeim 86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3V (514) 695-8259  2 His current e-mail address is jfmezei@teksavvy.com  * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  H His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades yourO newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, day in and day out,tO every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He does not listen to pleas I to stop, he does not listen to anything anyone tells him, he does not payeO attention when the misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he justnM goes right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his ears G closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"t   5.  What does he troll about?O  P His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  He hates theK USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn it into a USA-bashing C fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start making lewd posts.t  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  P Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have a visceralP hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a happier, better, moreJ successful version of their country and they can't stand it.  Some of JF'sN favorite troll bait is "the Bush regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis ofJ evil", "Americans are brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?h  P Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre.  Among hisI favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women's genitalia, sex toys,pM circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of course) ... the list is endless.m   8.  Circumcision???a  P Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes to insertF circumcision into his trolling every now and then.  Apparently, JF wasP traumatized as a child because his parents, poor Hungarian immigrants to Canada,O left him uncircumcised when he was born, as is the custom in most of the world. N Growing up in Canada where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time,O he was psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he arrangedeD to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades of circumcisionN proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a free willy.  His mainO argument is how much better he was able to masturbate after getting circumcisedSM without that "pesky foreskin" getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he hase> made it his mission in life to spread the circumcision gospel.  H 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.  N Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among the subjects dearO to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, especially little boy's-J foreskins (and how tight they are) and little girls' hymens.  He is also aK tireless activist and advocate that children should be taught to masturbate H early on so that they don't grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  L He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their littleM boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, proper movement,tO and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.  Utopia for JF would be as> world full of parents manipulating their little boys' penises.  M 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the minute!  Aren you sure about all this stuff?  P Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a decade full of Mezei trolling in there.t  M 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the time likee all trolls do?  K Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trollings aliases.  G 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he work?n  O Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a grown man O who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and trolls the newsgroupscM all night.  In his free time when he isn't trolling he likes to ride his bike G down to Dorval Airport and race the planes down the runway in his bike.i  9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?-  M Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he never got past G the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor (i.e. "pull myaH finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  L 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about them, is
 that true?  M Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in the locker room.RN He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has seen in locker rooms overP the years, especially his unnatural obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the menO in locker rooms trying to measure how much foreskin they have, or how little iseN left if they have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.f  O 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!.  M Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin foil hattN world where others are out to get him.  The key to understanding JF is that heL sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the world is out to get him, especially the) USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.e  O What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian rail system wasiJ "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut, spotting trains,N writing down their numbers and chasing them down at the train yard like a goodM freak.  Then he turned his attention to aviation.  Major events that made him P fall head first deep into the abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines andO their subsequent takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is/M he that when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees-O went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to cover up the Air<D Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of the crash1 investigation.  He has never recovered from this.n  6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  O His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient,wJ arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously forM decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts who shareoJ his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!  ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?   I can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computertG groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded thesN sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled it relentlesslyP with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for.  But they ranN him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail% between his legs, licking his wounds.c  P 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn't troll.  O Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so he slipsnP in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and,L more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them so they* won't find out what a major netkook he is.  P 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  O Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while you're ateI it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido too.  And toaO alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.   4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  H Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:  * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com usenet@news.wplus.netd  7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.n   TekSavvy Solutions Inc.2 330 Richmond St., Suite 205c Chatham, ON, Canada< N7M 1P7s  P And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups, email it toP people, you may host it at your own website, send it to newspapers and magazinesI that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  P List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over the years.  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(CurrentlytE > V7.3, which was on TK50, IIRC, but the cover letter said it was the - > last version that would be issued on TK50.)   K O.k., this is OpenVMS VAX, so ignore my prior comments about OpenVMS Alpha.lG (FYI, OpenVMS I64 will be simlar to Alpha -- VAX it the different one.)e  F Do you wish to INSTALL, as in "replace everything on the system disk",I or do you wish to UPGRADE, as in "keep current authorization files, queuel files, user files, etc."?r  G For an UPGRADE, all you need is access to the savesets.  If you system oG disk is large enough, you can put thiem in [000000] on the system disk.nB Then, after booting min, etc, just point VMSINSTAL to saveset A onH SYS$STSDEVICE.  Ore you can copy the savesets onto any disk or tape that# you have available and point there.   G For an INSTALL it is a bit more complicated.  You need the target disk,rF another device from which to boot either Standalone Backup or OpenVMS,H and the savesets.  The savesets can be on the same device from which youJ boot S/A Backup or OpenVMS, or on another device.  Just restore saveset B,= then shutdown and boot the target system disk and continue.  e  I Since you are almost sure to need EITHER an CD or a second disk, this may  be a goot time to obtaion a CD>h   -- aJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:48:23 GMTs# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)tG Subject: Re: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drive 0 Message-ID: <XPcjc.396$d51.129@news.cpqcorp.net>  w In article <c6esqh$pdb$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:eF :Suppose one wants to upgrade (or install) VMS on a system with no CD  :drive.   :Has anyone solved this problem?  I   Please acquire a CD drive -- depending on the particular I/O bus in thenH   system, these are often available very cheaply.   If you have a systemE   with ATAPI, various of the CD-R/RW or DVD+RW drives can be used.  AmI   top-end ATAPI DVD+/-R/RW is about US$170.   You can find cheaper (used)p3   SCSI CD drives, and cheaper CD and DVD recorders.r  G   A number of folks have gone through the cost-saving approach and havehE   skipped acquisition of a CD drive or a spare disk, and usually with.F   some degree of success.  That written, the more you diverge from theC   installation expectations and the environment, the less you will w3   actually save and the more trouble you will have.t  E   In terms of support, all OpenVMS systems must have direct or served D   access to a bootable load device, and the defacto distribution and8   load medium for all supported systems is now CD media.  H   Please get a (new or used) CD drive.  If not, please get a spare disk.H   If not, please be prepared to shuffle and reconfigure OpenVMS; you mayG   well end up learning more than you had intended, if you choose to use 6   the non-CD/non-spare-disk install/upgrade path.  :-)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comg   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:28:04 -04000  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>G Subject: Re: upgrading (or installing) VMS on a system with no CD drive56 Message-ID: <1040427000934.32308C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  & On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 hammond@not wrote:  T > In article <1040425214836.32308A@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: > > G > > I've been thinking about the alternatives for installing V8.2 on my I > > microVAX (without CD drive) at home, when it is released.  (CurrentlyvG > > V7.3, which was on TK50, IIRC, but the cover letter said it was the / > > last version that would be issued on TK50.)t > M > O.k., this is OpenVMS VAX, so ignore my prior comments about OpenVMS Alpha. I > (FYI, OpenVMS I64 will be simlar to Alpha -- VAX it the different one.)? > H > Do you wish to INSTALL, as in "replace everything on the system disk",K > or do you wish to UPGRADE, as in "keep current authorization files, queue< > files, user files, etc."?t  6 Sorry, meant "UPGRADE", but I said "installing" above.   > I > For an UPGRADE, all you need is access to the savesets.  If you system  I > disk is large enough, you can put thiem in [000000] on the system disk. D > Then, after booting min, etc, just point VMSINSTAL to saveset A onJ > SYS$STSDEVICE.  Ore you can copy the savesets onto any disk or tape that% > you have available and point there.   G Yup; and I have some spare disks.  (Five working and one dead RA72, but2; only a 4-slot SBB to put them in.)  My question was really pI "how do I get the CD onto a VMS disk without a VMS-attached CDROM drive?"   B Many possibilities.  Can VMS BACKUP do an IMAGE backup from an NFSC disk?  If so, I could set up an NFS server on my Mac Powerbook, putnF the VMS CD in it's CD drive, NFS mount it on the VAX, and BACKUP/IMAGE
 NFS1: DU2:  C I can think of about 10 other ways, to do it, just don't know whichh are easiest or quickest.  B For slow, but reliable, I can set up a DECnet-over-IP link VIA VPN? to work, mount the CD on one of the many CD drives at work, anda (from work)   9 work$ BACKUP/IMAGE <cd-drive> HOME::DU1:CD-IMAGE.BCK/SAVEn and then (at home) I could e   home$ MOUNT/FOR DU2:  - home$ BACKUP/IMAGE DU1:CD-IMAGE.BCK/SAVE DU2:a  @ But this would be DSL vs. Ethernet speed and two backups instead of one.w  D (BACKUP will create a save-set over DECnet.  I don't know if it willA do an image backup over DECnet, but if that doesn't work, I couldiA always do it to a local saveset at work and then copy the saveset.	 to home.)s  ? Or I could bring an Alpha workstation home, cluster it with the1= VAX, and use its CD... still need to copy the CD to a scratch @ disk, since you have to disable clustering (set VAXCLUSTER to 0) while doing a VAX upgrade.  I > For an INSTALL it is a bit more complicated.  You need the target disk,gH > another device from which to boot either Standalone Backup or OpenVMS,J > and the savesets.  The savesets can be on the same device from which youL > boot S/A Backup or OpenVMS, or on another device.  Just restore saveset B,? > then shutdown and boot the target system disk and continue.  2 > K > Since you are almost sure to need EITHER an CD or a second disk, this mayR! > be a goot time to obtaion a CD>   F A) any SDI-compatible CD drives or B) any CHEAP Q-Bus SCSI controllers out there? :-)   -- o John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.232 ************************