1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 28 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 235       Contents: Asdk the Wizard ?  Re: Asdk the Wizard ? 3 Call to send() fails with errno=2, vaxc$errno=98962 3 Re: Can't get JDBC to work on an Oracle 9i database 3 Re: Can't get JDBC to work on an Oracle 9i database ) Re: Demonstration system for BridgeWorks? I Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server I Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server I Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server P Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server server> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...! Re: Java RMI as detached Process?   Re: JNI examples link is broken?  Re: JNI examples link is broken?  Re: JNI examples link is broken?  Re: JNI examples link is broken? LAT to TCPIP using sys$qiow  Re: LAT to TCPIP using sys$qiow  Re: LAT to TCPIP using sys$qiow 4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... Memory
 Re: Memory Newbye quetion Re: Newbye quetion Re: Newbye quetionE Re: Not available on OpenVMS, but it may just be the 'next big thing' & Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP& Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP& Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP& Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP& Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP& Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP Re: OT: Scalability  Re: OT: Scalability B Re: SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicalsB Re: SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicals telnet in batch  Re: telnet in batch  Re: telnet in batch  Re: telnet in batch  Re: telnet in batch  Re: telnet in batch  Re: telnet in batch  Re: telnet in batch , Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost+ Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:18:39 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Asdk the Wizard ?9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEIADCAA.tom@kednos.com>   ; When a FAQ says to read discussions referenced by numbers,  ; how do you access those?  Certainly would nice if they were  links. --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:30:37 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: Asdk the Wizard ?, Message-ID: <408feab0$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  + have you looked at the ask-the-wizard page?   I there is a box where you can put in the wizard number to pull up that q/a 5 also all the listings currently have a 4 digit number = which is the wizard number (like 1020 is the printer one ...)   I anyway, ATW is stored in a notes file and the number is actually the note  number in the notes file.   < also you can contruct the url if you know the wizard number.  J it's http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wiz_xxxx.html where xxxx is the number zero) filled from the right side ie #10 is 0010   G You can also download all  the wizard q/a's in text format zipped up at > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wizard.zip its about 5 MB now  K there is a wizard.lst file with all the numbers and question names (titles) = listed. and wiz_xxxx.txt files (the .txt files are not on the * site itself they are only in the zip file)   -warren   . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEIADCAA.tom@kednos.com... < > When a FAQ says to read discussions referenced by numbers,= > how do you access those?  Certainly would nice if they were  > links. > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A > Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:35:31 -0000 $ From: nospam.ap.org (Warren Spencer)< Subject: Call to send() fails with errno=2, vaxc$errno=989621 Message-ID: <94D97D4D4wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>   	 Hi folks,   L I've got some socket misbehavior I can't figure out, and I'm hoping someone $ can point me in the right direction.  H On OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1, using the DEC C V6.0-001, I've created a socket  with:   <     	if ((MySocket = socket (AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM,0)) == -1)     	  { error handling }   3 I fill in the socket structure and issue a connect:   G     	if ((connect (MySocket, (struct sockaddr *) &TargetSocket, sizeof   (TargetSocket))) != 0)     	{ error handling }   $ And later I issue multiple send()'s:  E     	if  ((*pBufLength = send (pSocket, pBuffer, *pBufLength, 0)) !=  
 LocalBLen)     	{ error handling }   H The 2nd send() call fails with errno=2 (%NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number < 00000002), and vaxc$errno=98962 (%RMS-E-FNF, file not found)  H Curiously, the application works fine when run by an interactive user - M this failure occurs only when the application is run as a detached process.   E I don't see these error codes documented in the send() documentation  H (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/docs/5763p067.html#index_x_1839)  I Debugging the detached version of the application is a little tricky, so  G I'm hoping someone has seen this before and can shorten my debug cycle.    Many thanks,   ws   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press wspencer at ap dot org   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 07:42:28 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Can't get JDBC to work on an Oracle 9i database3 Message-ID: <XhRWP7RF812r@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <01L9FGFK2E4M00ZFGK@SEMATECH.Org>, Drew Shelton <DREW@SEMATECH.Org> writes:L > I'm trying to use JDBC to access an Oracle 9.2 database residing on a UnixF > system.  I'm running Java 1.4.1.2 on OpenVMS 7.3-1.  I've downloadedL > ojdbc14.jar, set the RFM to Stream_LF, and have pointed the JAVA$CLASSPATHR > logical to it.  I'm attempting to register the driver in my code with this line: > R >             DriverManager.registerDriver(new oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver()); >  > but it fails to compile: >  > $ javac workforce.java> > Workforce.java:10: package oracle.jdbc.driver does not existB >                                                                ^	 > 1 error   E    Are you sure oracle.jdbc.driver is in ojdbc14.jar (use jar to make 	    sure)?   A    If you do a simple check, like $dir java$classpath, do you see     ojdbc14.jar?   9    Are your fillm, shrfillm, and channelcnt large enough?    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:41:56 -0500 (CDT) & From: Drew Shelton <DREW@SEMATECH.Org>< Subject: Re: Can't get JDBC to work on an Oracle 9i database- Message-ID: <01L9GHDGNAVC00ZKZO@SEMATECH.Org>   W >In article <01L9FGFK2E4M00ZFGK@SEMATECH.Org>, Drew Shelton <DREW@SEMATECH.Org> writes: M >> I'm trying to use JDBC to access an Oracle 9.2 database residing on a Unix G >> system.  I'm running Java 1.4.1.2 on OpenVMS 7.3-1.  I've downloaded M >> ojdbc14.jar, set the RFM to Stream_LF, and have pointed the JAVA$CLASSPATH S >> logical to it.  I'm attempting to register the driver in my code with this line:  >>S >>             DriverManager.registerDriver(new oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver());  >> >> but it fails to compile:  >> >> $ javac workforce.java ? >> Workforce.java:10: package oracle.jdbc.driver does not exist C >>                                                                ^ 
 >> 1 error  F >   Are you sure oracle.jdbc.driver is in ojdbc14.jar (use jar to make
 >   sure)?  B >   If you do a simple check, like $dir java$classpath, do you see >   ojdbc14.jar?  : >   Are your fillm, shrfillm, and channelcnt large enough?  ! Answering my own original post...   F I used CONVERT/FDL to set the Stream_LF attribute, but it also set theD longest record length.  I then used SET FILE/ATTR=(RFM:STMLF) on the( original I downloaded, and now it works.   Drew   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:22:49 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>2 Subject: Re: Demonstration system for BridgeWorks?: Message-ID: <FfNjc.94977$Lh2.34205@bignews1.bellsouth.net>   Main, Kerry wrote:  - > BridgeWorks site: (Bridgeworks is free btw) J > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/bridgeworks/bridgeworks_index.h > tml     L Yes, I'm familiar with the BridgeWorks site and I've downloaded & installed 
 the software.   L What I was looking for was a ready made site on the Internet that showcases = the BridgeWorks product's features in a hands-on environment.   K I see some very basic demo code was installed with BridgeWorks, so I think  K I'll end up building one of those demos and then extend it as necessary to  F make it demonstrate the features that this particular client wants to % observe in-use on a live demo system.      > I > Also, if interested in commercial screen to web application migrations,  > here are a few pointers: > 	 > Ericom: * > http://ebusiness.ericom.com/iOpenVms.asp* > http://ebusiness.ericom.com/indexWap.asp >  > WRQ:) > http://www.wrq.com/products/verastream/ ? > http://www.wrq.com/products/reflection/host_type/openvms.html   F Yes, I'm familiar with both of those.  The particular project that is C driving this interest in BridgeWorks is on a shoestring budget, so  M commercial products costing in the multple 10's of 1,000's of $$$ are not an   option in this case.     --   Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:11:07 +0100 2 From: "Roger Fraser" <roger.fraser@baesystems.com>R Subject: Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server3 Message-ID: <408fc7dd$1_1@baen1673807.greenlnk.net>   8 "Vic Mendham" <c00per11242001@yahoo.ca> wrote in message7 news:f7a73cb1.0404271116.3f798bf9@posting.google.com... + > We are auditing our servers for software. C > I have over 200 VAX & Alpha servers, and I need to find out which - > version of Decnet is running on my servers.  > G > Some servers I can do a license list and don't see decnet, but do see # > dvnetend, so don't have dvnetend.  > D > I am told if I do a mc ncl show address and it works, I am running- > Decnet Phase V, what about Phase IV or OSI?  >  > c00per11242001@yahoo.ca   J Or , using code from the templates in SYS$MANAGER and massaged a little to show actual versions:-  : $! Detect which DECnet version (if any) has been installedG $ decnet_version = f$integer(f$extract(2,2,f$getsyi("decnet_version"))) 9 $ decnet_plus_installed = (decnet_version .ge. 5) .and. - /   (f$search("sys$system:net$acp.exe") .nes. "") 7 $ decnet_iv_installed = (decnet_version .eq. 4) .and. - .   (f$search("sys$system:netacp.exe") .nes. "")  $ decnet_not_installed = .not. -2   (decnet_plus_installed .or. decnet_iv_installed) $ 4 $ if (decnet_iv_installed) then mc ncp show executor< $ if (decnet_plus_installed) then mc ncl show implementationC $ if (decnet_not_installed) then write sys$output "Wot - no DECnet"       Rog   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 07:13:04 -0700- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) R Subject: Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0404280613.7db1f7d9@posting.google.com>    Mark Berryman wrote: > Vic Mendham wrote:- > > We are auditing our servers for software. E > > I have over 200 VAX & Alpha servers, and I need to find out which / > > version of Decnet is running on my servers.  > > I > > Some servers I can do a license list and don't see decnet, but do see % > > dvnetend, so don't have dvnetend.  > > F > > I am told if I do a mc ncl show address and it works, I am running/ > > Decnet Phase V, what about Phase IV or OSI?  > >  > > c00per11242001@yahoo.ca  > K > On all versions of DECnet the command MCR NCP SHOW EXEC will tell you if  K > you are running DECnet-OSI or DECnet IV.  I know longer remember exactly  K > how a phase-IV node will identify itself but you will be able to see the  
 > difference.   D Also, even if you are running OSI, you be using the NSP (IV) stack. , You can check this by entering this command:  3 $ MCR NCL SHOW SESSION CONTROL TRANSPORT PRECEDENCE    Node 0 Session Control$ at 2004-04-28-14:09:50.175+00:00Iinf   Characteristics   '     Transport Precedence              =         {           NSP , 
           OSI         }  E Our application actually "stalls" at high transaction rates with OSI, $ so we set the precedence to use NSP.   JMOD   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Apr 2004 11:04:35 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)R Subject: Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server0 Message-ID: <c6o343$pn2$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  k In article <f7a73cb1.0404271116.3f798bf9@posting.google.com>, c00per11242001@yahoo.ca (Vic Mendham) writes: * >We are auditing our servers for software.B >I have over 200 VAX & Alpha servers, and I need to find out which, >version of Decnet is running on my servers. > F >Some servers I can do a license list and don't see decnet, but do see" >dvnetend, so don't have dvnetend. > C >I am told if I do a mc ncl show address and it works, I am running , >Decnet Phase V, what about Phase IV or OSI?   MC NCP SHO EXECUTOR   ) If you get an answer Phase IV is running.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:41:39 GMT & From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server server & Message-ID: <408FA1AA.F990B123@hp.com>  C > I have over 200 VAX & Alpha servers, and I need to find out which - > version of Decnet is running on my servers.    From the DCL Dictionary:     f$getsyi("DECNET_VERSION")  H   This item returns a string containing a hexidecimal number, using the    following format:      Byte 0 = Customer ECO      Byte 1 = DECnet ECO J     Byte 2 = DECnet phase (4 for Phase IV, 5 for DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS)      Byte 3 = Reserved   E   To distinguish Phase IV from DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS, use the byte  )   containing the DECnet version (byte 2).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:15:58 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 3 Message-ID: <001401c42ce8$457448a0$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,   Andrew did wrote:    >>> B Without interest in the platform it is never going to be seriouslyA exploited and that is virtually all you can say from the Defcon 9  example. <<<   G AFAIK some hacker did break ino OpenVMS, but the did not get any rights E to destroy or compromise the OS (other then Slowaris). No interest is 0 the wrong message. Low interest will be correct.   Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:45:55 +0200 * From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... - Message-ID: <c6ngel$1ns4$1@news.cybercity.dk>   + <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message # news:c6m39t$nip$3@news.mdx.ac.uk... ? > In article <c6kcfb$39b$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad"  <nospam@nospam.com> writes:  > > 8 > >"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message: > >news:d7791aa1.0404261431.78826e76@posting.google.com...K > >Bob, You have a wrong conception of what a virus is.  A virus is a piece  ofL > >code that attaches itself to command language files or program files (DCLH > >files or image files on VMS.)  The code of the virus will be executed whenF > >the command language file or the image file is executed.  The virus containsH > >code to copy itself to other command languages or program files.  The virus K > >infects new systems by fooling somebody into copying an infected file to  the H > >system and the execute the file.  VMS has no mechanism for protecting itselfI > >from a user copying an infected file on to the system and then execute  it. K > >All you can hope for is that the normal file protection system will save  > >you.  > > B > You are the one who has the wrong conception of what a virus is.K > If a user has to explicitly execute a program or command script then they  are I > running a Trojan. If the code executes automatically in order to spread  whenK > the file is opened then it is a virus. If the code executes automatically  in> > order to spread without user intervention then it is a worm.  @ From McAfee's (www.mcafee.com) virus glossary on the word virus:I "A computer program file capable of attaching to disks or other files and B replicating itself repeatedly, typically without user knowledge orL permission. Some viruses attach to files so when the infected file executes,L the virus also executes. Other viruses sit in a computer's memory and infectH files as the computer opens, modifies or creates the files. Some virusesI display symptoms, and some viruses damage files and computer systems, but H neither symptoms nor damage is essential in the definition of a virus; a% non-damaging virus is still a virus."    On Trojan Horse Program:K "A Trojan horse program is a malicious program that pretends to be a benign H application; a Trojan horse program purposefully does something the userI does not expect. Trojans are not viruses since they do not replicate, but 1 Trojan horse programs can be just as destructive. C Many people use the term to refer only to non-replicating malicious A programs, thus making a distinction between Trojans and viruses."    Here is Symantec's explanation: C http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/1999041209131106   L Seems like the virus companies also use the term "virus" on code that attachJ it self to executables and command procedures.  Yes, I forgot to mention aK number of other carriers for viruses.  As far as I can tell, the difference K is that a Trojan horse will not infect other programs, data files, etc.  In L stead it will copy the carrier too, i.e., it will copy it self and what everK it uses to disguise it self.  The virus will copy it self into the programs & and data files of the attacked system.  J I think, my use of the terms "virus" and "Trojan horse" in this thread has9 been in accordance with how McAfee and Symantec use them.    Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:31:13 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 0 Message-ID: <c6ntl3$nvf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   GreyCloud wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >>GreyCloud wrote: >>+ >>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  >>>  >>>  >>>>GreyCloud wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Andrew Harrison wrote:  >>>>A >>>>>>so I will ask you again, justify your claims or quit making  >>>>>>them.  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> 0 >>>>>That's rich coming from a Sun troll in cov. >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>< >>>>Well if you can find examples of claims that I have made= >>>>that I have failed to support when pressed then feel free  >>>>to publish them. >>>>6 >>>>Otherwise I would suggest that you follow the same >>>>course as Bob. >>>> >>> > >>>Guffaw!!  Your are definitely trolling.  It is too obvious. >>>  >>>  >> >>; >>No trolling is making claims that cannot be supported, if < >>you can find examples of me doing that then please publish; >>them otherwise as I said earlier my advice to Bob applies  >>to you as well.  >> >  > M > You are sadly mistaken.  You are not part of the OpenVMS group perse... you  > a Sun Consultant (?). N > You are trolling to persuade others opinions about Solaris vs. OpenVMS.  OneJ > could call it propaganda, which is more likely the correct term.  Either > way, it is trolling. >   = Nope wrong again I am responding to postings that make claims > about Sun, UNIX, Solaris, Linux which are factually incorrect.  = If you can find any claims that I have made about OpenVMS, or A Alpha for that matter that are factually incorrect then I suggest  you publish them.   ? The title of this thread How to Turn linux into VMS should give  you a hint.   ; So far in this thread we have had Bob K making claims about 8 UNIX authentication which are incorrect and Bob C making; claims about the relatie Security of OpenVMS vs UNIX namely 9 that OpenVMS cannot be infected with virii which are also 
 incorrect.  A If you don't want my participation in this group to continue then B you have a "easy" solution which is to persuade the usual suspects@ to raise the quality of their postings. I say easy because there? is no evidence the usual suspects despite being caught out over 8 and over again have any intention of mending their ways.   regards  Andrew Harrison          >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 06:01:30 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... = Message-ID: <bf98c417.0404280501.4621d247@posting.google.com>   c "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<001401c42ce8$457448a0$994614ac@wat153>...  > Hello, >  > Andrew did wrote:  >  > >>> D > Without interest in the platform it is never going to be seriouslyC > exploited and that is virtually all you can say from the Defcon 9 
 > example. > <<<  > I > AFAIK some hacker did break ino OpenVMS, but the did not get any rights G > to destroy or compromise the OS (other then Slowaris). No interest is 2 > the wrong message. Low interest will be correct. >  > Best regards R. Wingert   # A bit of clarification is in order:   8 Here is the late John W.'s description of what happened 2 [Typical John W. sub rosa humorous remarks alert]:    --- begin excerpt ---   F As events would have it, we had an issue, which we did not understand,E with the operation of the serial port used as the operators' console. E At 2:00 a.m. Saturday morning the system manager decided to telnet to > the box in order to do some routine checks. Using Telnet in anF environment with 5000 hackers on your network is an insecure method ofC administering a computer system. A lot of people were fascinated by 6 the VMS system, and had asked many questions about it,C shoulder-surfing the console operator, who of course answered their 2 questions in this friendly game of an environment.  D One of the hackers who had been showing a lot of interest in the VMSD box happened to be sniffing packets from the system manager's PC. HeF discovered the password to the account, a simple procedure any 13 yearE old kid can pull off with ease after a little social engineering. The F hacker logged in, and placed a couple text files (his mark for points)E in the manager's user directory, and then notified the system manager B in order to claim the points. There were no points for hacking theD machine because the files were placed in a user directory instead of= the `root' VMS directory. He was awarded 10 points for social  engineering.  ; Was this an instance of VMS being hacked? No, it was just a E circumstance where a privileged login session was passed in plaintext D over a network with 5000 mechanics, social engineers, and hackers onF it. By using a telnet session on an open network, the system managers'F login information was freely made available to any who cared to record; it. Giving away your login info in this way to a hacker who E subsequently uses it does not constitute being hacked, it constitutes  an error in security procedure.     --- end excerpt ---   WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 07:35:29 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 3 Message-ID: <GzlOrJTIY1Nf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <1sft801170sv963h8sggatct06i3lq4v59@4ax.com>, jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:  > L > I'm just not going to get my system manager to provide elevated privileges+ > to run random code in most OpenVMS shops.   E    I don't need admin privileges on OpenVMS just to install some data *    processing program I need to do my job.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:11:18 +1000 1 From: David J McKenzie <david@mckenziefamily.biz> G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... C Message-ID: <408fad75$0$47041$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>    Paul Repacholi wrote:   . > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: > @ >> I have not seen any convincing arguments that the proprietaryA >> approach by nature is better than open source when it comes to D >> security.  However, I have not seen any convincing arguments that< >> open source software by nature has to be more secure than >> proprietary software. > B > The differences between different programmers will be by far theD > largest factor. Some are good at writing and designing good secureF > stuff, some are not. That would be independent of what the marketingC > model is. Also remember that until the mid 70s or so, much of the G > propriety code was open source, in that you got a copy of the sources  > as part of the kit.  > B >> It all comes down to the people involved in the development andG >> distribution of the patches.  The open source people are damned good ( >> at fixing security related bugs fast. > D > Given that there is some number of flaws in the code, and a personG > looking at it has p chance of seeing the bug, there in (1-p)^n chance H > of the bug being not found. For large n, even if p is very small, thatF > gets close to 1. p will also vary greatly with who is looking at it,> > but it does not matter! The ^n term will conquer in the end. > + > Here is hoping I have not screwed this...   - the chance of a bug not being found is p, p<1   C the chance of n people independently not finding the the bug is p^n   L the chance of the bug being found is 1-p^n which approaches 1 as n increases  > (1-p)^n grows smaller as n grows larger (1-p) < 1 by defintion   but we get the point :-)     --  . David McKenzie  david@rugby.mckenziefamily.biz   remove rugby   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:30:42 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... - Message-ID: <874qr4ibkt.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:  E > Of course not, but I do think it is common knowledge that illegally B > copied Windows programs are much more likely to be infected thanF > legal copies of free and unfree Windows software.  E.g., one article> > I read claimed that half the software being available on P2P > networks was infected.  B The largest single infection source was the orifice 97(?) genuine,D original, with the free concept virus, CD from the borg of the west.  5 Then again, that also counts as illegal doesn't it :)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 08:13:36 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404280713.5910254@posting.google.com>  q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c6ntl3$nvf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > ? > Nope wrong again I am responding to postings that make claims @ > about Sun, UNIX, Solaris, Linux which are factually incorrect. > ? > If you can find any claims that I have made about OpenVMS, or C > Alpha for that matter that are factually incorrect then I suggest  > you publish them.   6 we would, but that would mean going back and capturing( every word you have spoken so far ... :)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:52:02 GMT $ From: "GreyCloud" <mist@Cumulus.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 8 Message-ID: <CqQjc.1974$Wc4.7688@bcandid.telisphere.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote: F > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message. > news:<c6ntl3$nvf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >>@ >> Nope wrong again I am responding to postings that make claimsA >> about Sun, UNIX, Solaris, Linux which are factually incorrect.  >>@ >> If you can find any claims that I have made about OpenVMS, orD >> Alpha for that matter that are factually incorrect then I suggest >> you publish them. > 8 > we would, but that would mean going back and capturing* > every word you have spoken so far ... :)  ) Darn, this ISP didn't even show his post. I Apparently, Andie doesn't know what trolling means then.  And I have read L some of his comparisons of OpenVMS and asking others if it can do the thingsK that Solaris can.  When he is in a newsgroup other than of his own interest ( and starts to do bashing, he is a troll.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:58:10 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... - Message-ID: <8765bkgkml.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 David J McKenzie <david@mckenziefamily.biz> writes:   , >> Here is hoping I have not screwed this...  / > the chance of a bug not being found is p, p<1   E > the chance of n people independently not finding the the bug is p^n   N > the chance of the bug being found is 1-p^n which approaches 1 as n increases  @ > (1-p)^n grows smaller as n grows larger (1-p) < 1 by defintion   > but we get the point :-)  < Thanks. I knew a disclaimer on a 3am post was a good idea...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:42:27 +0200 * From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... - Message-ID: <c6ofso$1o88$1@news.cybercity.dk>   > "David J McKenzie" <david@mckenziefamily.biz> wrote in message= news:408fad75$0$47041$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...  > Paul Repacholi wrote: F > > Given that there is some number of flaws in the code, and a personI > > looking at it has p chance of seeing the bug, there in (1-p)^n chance J > > of the bug being not found. For large n, even if p is very small, thatH > > gets close to 1. p will also vary greatly with who is looking at it,@ > > but it does not matter! The ^n term will conquer in the end. > > - > > Here is hoping I have not screwed this...  > / > the chance of a bug not being found is p, p<1  > E > the chance of n people independently not finding the the bug is p^n  > D > the chance of the bug being found is 1-p^n which approaches 1 as n	 increasesr > @ > (1-p)^n grows smaller as n grows larger (1-p) < 1 by defintion >n > but we get the point :-)  H I doubt you can use such simple math on that problem.  Your mathematical model ignores that:oI      People are equally good at finding bugs.  It is not so.  In fact youfF cannot assume that two equally good programmers will be equally god atJ finding bugs.  Being good at finding bugs by reading other peoples code is/ something special that requires a special mind.aK      Each bug has the same chance of being discovered.  It is not so.  SomeoG bugs can be discovered by looking at a few lines of code, and some bugs K requires understand complex algorithms spanning thousands of lines of code.SH The chance that somebody discovers a bug of the latter sort is much lessA than the chance that somebody discovers a bug of the former sort.r7     Some code looks intuitively right without being it.r   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot como   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:38:15 +0200r* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...V- Message-ID: <c6oq6c$2ggh$1@news.cybercity.dk>t  F "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message* news:c6ntl3$nvf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...= > So far in this thread we have had Bob K making claims aboute: > UNIX authentication which are incorrect and Bob C making= > claims about the relatie Security of OpenVMS vs UNIX namelyg; > that OpenVMS cannot be infected with virii which are alsoP > incorrect.  I And Bob K claimed in <KsPWa8jYe286@eisner.encompasserve.org> that VMS hasyH had security logs since 1984.  However, when I pointed out the error, heK claimed in <3nFczU07Ju10@eisner.encompasserve.org> that he was writing thatbH VMS has had cluster since 1984.  Clusters are not mentioned in the first8 article.  Here are references to the articles on Google:} http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_umsgid=%3CKsPWa8jYe286@eisner.encompasserve.org%3E&lr=&hl=en } http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_umsgid=%3C3nFczU07Ju10@eisner.encompasserve.org%3E&lr=&hl=eng   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 07:02:01 -0700- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) * Subject: Re: Java RMI as detached Process?= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0404280602.19d9870c@posting.google.com>i   jlsue wrote:M > Most likely you really want to RUN LOGINOUT.EXE and use /INPUT= to point tod- > a DCL command file that executes your code.- >    We use something like this:a $! $! ACEA.COM0 $!D $ DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY LNM$TEMPORARY_MAILBOX LNM$GROUP $ SET OUTPUT_RATE=00:00:02 $ RUN/NODEBUG PROD:[AXP]ACEA  ' Which is called by something like this:c $! $! DETACHACEA.COMu $!B $ RUN/DUMP/DETACHED/AUTHORIZE/NORESOURCE_WAIT/PROCESS_NAME="ACEA"-      /INPUT=PROD:[AXP]ACEA.COM-r       /OUTPUT=PROD:[AXP]ACEA.LOG-      SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE  ' Which is called by something like this:t $! $! STARTACEA.COM $!" $ NODENAME == F$GETSYI("nodename") $-3 $ SUBMIT/USER=PROACE/NOPRINTER/NONOTIFY/NOLOG_FILE-          /NAME="START_ACEA"-r!         /QUEUE='NODENAME'$BATCH -a          PROD:[AXP]DETACHACEA.COM  E This gives us resources authorized from the PROACE account and access  to its logicals as well.   JMOD   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:18:44 -050046 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>) Subject: Re: JNI examples link is broken?oE Message-ID: <craigberry-72A2A3.01184328042004@chi.news.speakeasy.net>   : In article <0xDjc.94618$Lh2.27762@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,,  Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote:  N > I'm not getting any response from fpt.digital.com when I click on a link in # > the HP / Java / Alpha / FAQ page.  >  > Here's the link: > H > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/java/JNI_EXAMPLE.BCK_DCX_AXPEXE   I stumbled on it at   A ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/java/JNI_EXAMPLE.BCK_DCX_AXPEXEt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:39:15 -0400y* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>) Subject: Re: JNI examples link is broken?e: Message-ID: <wAMjc.87739$UC4.87591@bignews2.bellsouth.net>   Craig A. Berry wrote:c  < > In article <0xDjc.94618$Lh2.27762@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,. >  Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote: >  > N >>I'm not getting any response from fpt.digital.com when I click on a link in # >>the HP / Java / Alpha / FAQ page./ >> >>Here's the link: >>H >>ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/java/JNI_EXAMPLE.BCK_DCX_AXPEXE >  >  > I stumbled on it at  > C > ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/java/JNI_EXAMPLE.BCK_DCX_AXPEXE2    $ Thanks.  I've got it downloaded now.  F I'm wondering what happened to the rest of the example files, such as:  U ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/java/SYSTEM_SERVICE_INVOKE_DEMO.SAV_SFX_AXPEXE U ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/java/INVOKE_JAVA_FROM_C_EXAMPLE.SAV_SFX_AXPEXE      -- o Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:31:17 -0400k* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>) Subject: Re: JNI examples link is broken?d9 Message-ID: <lRRjc.15536$7a5.1842@bignews6.bellsouth.net>    warren sander wrote:  E > I just tried the links and the all worked. at least from inside hp.s    F That's interesting.  I'm wondering why I can't get fpt.digital.com to G responde from the "outside world".  FWIW, my ISP is BellSouth, and I'm e- connecting via their FastAccess ADSL service.t     > K > I just sent some mail off to the java site owners and I'm going to try to # > move all this stuff to ftp.hp.coms > L > I can move it now but I'd rather work with them to get the links all fixed
 > up also.  M Is there any chance that you could email me the 2 files that I was unable to t obtain?      TIA,   Chucko --   Chuck Chopp-  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:23:54 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>) Subject: Re: JNI examples link is broken?I, Message-ID: <408fe91c$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  C I just tried the links and the all worked. at least from inside hp.   I I just sent some mail off to the java site owners and I'm going to try ton! move all this stuff to ftp.hp.com   J I can move it now but I'd rather work with them to get the links all fixed up also.   -warren     7 "Chuck Chopp" <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote in messagep4 news:wAMjc.87739$UC4.87591@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > Craig A. Berry wrote:  > > > > In article <0xDjc.94618$Lh2.27762@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,0 > >  Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote: > >) > > L > >>I'm not getting any response from fpt.digital.com when I click on a link in% > >>the HP / Java / Alpha / FAQ page.c > >> > >>Here's the link: > >>J > >>ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/java/JNI_EXAMPLE.BCK_DCX_AXPEXE > >r > >e > > I stumbled on it at  > >cE > > ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/java/JNI_EXAMPLE.BCK_DCX_AXPEXEL >D >V& > Thanks.  I've got it downloaded now. >FH > I'm wondering what happened to the rest of the example files, such as: >m >yU ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/java/SYSTEM_SERVICE_INVOKE_DEMO.SAV_SFX_AXPEXEu >nU ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/java/INVOKE_JAVA_FROM_C_EXAMPLE.SAV_SFX_AXPEXEa >F >n > -- p
 > Chuck Chopp$ >S: > ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com >rB > RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4 > 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax > Greer, SC  29651 >m. > Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:50:46 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: LAT to TCPIP using sys$qiow9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEHODCAA.tom@kednos.com>e  > We have a customer who, using LAT with sys$qiow to communicate? serial with other systems, wants to move to IP.  Examples wouldm? be welcome, preferrably in PL/I but other languages would be OK. Tom  ---d& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004w   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:51:31 +0000 (UTC):- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)m( Subject: Re: LAT to TCPIP using sys$qiow- Message-ID: <c6onej$bk$1@newslocal.mitre.org>2   "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes in article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEHODCAA.tom@kednos.com> dated Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:50:46 -0700:? >We have a customer who, using LAT with sys$qiow to communicatef@ >serial with other systems, wants to move to IP.  Examples would@ >be welcome, preferrably in PL/I but other languages would be OK  ' See SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.TCPIP].o  L I'd recommend using the C socket functions instead of $qio[w].  You can evenB use them from PL/I, although it might require a "wrapper" library.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:26:29 -0400f* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>( Subject: Re: LAT to TCPIP using sys$qiow: Message-ID: <5NRjc.61670$Yw5.53395@bignews4.bellsouth.net>   Tom Linden wrote:i  @ > We have a customer who, using LAT with sys$qiow to communicateA > serial with other systems, wants to move to IP.  Examples wouldeA > be welcome, preferrably in PL/I but other languages would be OKu > Tomj    M I might have some samples of using FORTRAN & $QIO to communicate via TCP/IP,  F but I don't have any for PL/I.  Email me if you want them sent to you.     -- p Chuck Choppc  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:06:06 +0100,9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com>r= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...r0 Message-ID: <c6nvmg$oli$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   GreyCloud wrote:  * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >> >  > N > How many people really use PDAs?  Last I heard that this market really isn'tL > moving as well as some people thought it would.  I've seen a few instancesN > where PDAs came in handy like inventory, but usually the mobile requirementsM > are turned to custom apps like water meter readers and such.  How much callt > does Sun see for PDAs? >   F It depends where you sit in an organisation, process workers generallyD don't use PDA's. I say generally because people like couriers etc do* in fact use very heavily customised PDA's.  C Knowledge workers do, I am currently running a desktop architectureaC review to look a rationalising a PC/UNIX based desktop environementa for a customer.r  @ The users have, Palms, WinCE/PocketPC based devices mostly iPAQS; Blackberrys and blended Mobile Phone/PDA's all of them havea@ syncronisation requirements to the desktop for backup, calendar,= contacts list, and sometimes mail and other apps. Whatever wep: propose will not fly if it doesn't cater for syncing their< PDA's. My Preference would be SyncML rather than the current8 scenario where they have PIM's/conduits for each device.  A Most computer field service organisations provide their engineersdC with some form of PDA type device, might have a barcode reader/RFID-D scanner moving forward and it will need some form of syncronisation.   The list is pretty endless.    Regards: Andrew Harrisoni   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 05:47:54 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...a= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404280447.59672cc2@posting.google.com>l   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c6j04o$1qa$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...t > > B > > no, but I can connect with good old ethernet and ftp to it ... > < > Now that just about tops it Bob, thanks for the insight on, > how you sync your PDA to your OpenVMS box. > ? > I say thanks because you just proved my point so conclusivelyr* > that its hardly worth going any further. > ; > And the state of the art for syncronisation on OpenVMS is * > wait for it, wild cheering, FTP, groans. > 	 > Regardsl > Andrew Harrisont  @ it does everything we need it do, which is to transmit files ...; and if I have to wait for something, security and uptime ish worth the wait ...   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 08:09:09 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...c= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404280709.34ba9632@posting.google.com>S  q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c6nvmg$oli$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...s > B > The users have, Palms, WinCE/PocketPC based devices mostly iPAQS= > Blackberrys and blended Mobile Phone/PDA's all of them haveGB > syncronisation requirements to the desktop for backup, calendar,? > contacts list, and sometimes mail and other apps. Whatever wei< > propose will not fly if it doesn't cater for syncing their> > PDA's. My Preference would be SyncML rather than the current: > scenario where they have PIM's/conduits for each device. > C > Most computer field service organisations provide their engineersnE > with some form of PDA type device, might have a barcode reader/RFID F > scanner moving forward and it will need some form of syncronisation. >  > The list is pretty endless.d > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrisonh   just like your hot air ... :)?   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 06:36:50 -0700( From: janet_macconnell@yahoo.com (Janet) Subject: Memoryn= Message-ID: <32925176.0404280536.7eef93c4@posting.google.com>n  B Looking for reasonably priced used memory for 3 Alphaserver 800's.7 Preferably 512 mb or 1 gig. Anyone know of any vendors?    Janet/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:03:00 -0700a& From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net> Subject: Re: Memory., Message-ID: <c6od3u01k4k@enews2.newsguy.com>   Janet wrote:D > Looking for reasonably priced used memory for 3 Alphaserver 800's.9 > Preferably 512 mb or 1 gig. Anyone know of any vendors?I  E If you are looking for a reputable, honest, nice vendor who provides  D product support and excellent warranty program call David Turner at  Island Computer Company. http://www.islandco.comr  H If price is your only concern, sometimes this kind of stuff shows up on  eBay.  Caveat Emptor.2   TomC   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 02:36:44 -0700B From: jose_luis_fdez_diaz_news@yahoo.es (jose luis fernandez diaz) Subject: Newbye quetioni< Message-ID: <c2f95fd0.0404280136.7ecb46a@posting.google.com>   Hi,   5 Can anyone give a the definition and the relation of:i   - OSFi	 - OpenVMSd - Tru64c - Alphaw   Thanks,n
 Jose Luis.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 07:48:29 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h Subject: Re: Newbye quetioni3 Message-ID: <c5wqch3wcgPf@eisner.encompasserve.org>i   In article <c2f95fd0.0404280136.7ecb46a@posting.google.com>, jose_luis_fdez_diaz_news@yahoo.es (jose luis fernandez diaz) writes:g > Hi,o > 7 > Can anyone give a the definition and the relation of:e >  > - OSFrA    Open Software Foundation, at one time distributed OSF/1, a BSDr?    based UNIX which DEC ported to it's Alpha line of computers.:   > - OpenVMSrE    The best OS in the world, bar none.  Runs on VAX, Alpha, and Intelx    IA64 lines of computers.f  	 > - Tru64 F    Current name from the history:  OSF/1, Digital UNIX, Tru64 UNIX, of*    the UNIX OS running on Alpha computers.  	 > - Alpha.F    64 bit RISC computer line created by DEC.  For most of it's history;    Alpha has been the fastest chip on the planet, bar none.a   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Apr 2004 11:11:46 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: Newbye quetion 0 Message-ID: <c6o3hi$pn2$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   In article <c2f95fd0.0404280136.7ecb46a@posting.google.com>, jose_luis_fdez_diaz_news@yahoo.es (jose luis fernandez diaz) writes:d >Hi, > 6 >Can anyone give a the definition and the relation of: >  >- OSF    H Name of an operating system, a UNIX variant, running on Alpha processors  
 >- OpenVMS  L Name of an operating system, running on computers with either a VAX or Alpha
 processor.   >- Tru64  . After some time OSF has been renamed to Tru64.   >- Alpha   Name of a processor.  J OSF, OpenVMS and Alpha have originally been developed by Digital EquipmentI Corporation, also known as DEC. Meanwhile the rights for all these things  belong to Hewlett Packard.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanno   -- iE  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452r  ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot dee  D-79011  Freiburg, Germanye9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmli   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:42:05 +0100s9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> N Subject: Re: Not available on OpenVMS, but it may just be the 'next big thing'0 Message-ID: <c6nu9f$o5d$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:  T > In article <yMednYhM7aRk0hDdRVn-ug@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >  >>http://www.eclipse.org/s >># >>My gut tells me this will be big.t >  > H >    My gut tells me this is just another IDE.  Why would it be big whenD >    we already have Netbeans as a portable IDE and a lot of vendors2 >    only ship their compilers with thier own IDE? > ? You gut needs some Gaviscon. Eclipse is one of the two big Javal> development programs, Sun isn't keen on it for various reasons3 but that doesn't mean that it won't have an impact.r  > Eclipse has similar goals to Suns Project Rave otherwise known as Java Studio Creator.p   Regards  Andrew Harrisonc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:50:18 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com>i/ Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HPp0 Message-ID: <c6nuot$oc1$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:e  3 > http://news.com.com/2100-7355-5201041.html?tag=nlo > K > It is about ANZ bank's effort to limit on-line fraud. When will these CIO P > idiots learn that Windows just doesn't cut it for serious stuff ?  $30 millionY > dollars (AUD) wasted because some CIO decided to move to Windows.  Relevant paragraphs:a >  > ##L > One high-profile ANZ tech initiative, the Next Generation Switching/TandemO > replacement project, has already fallen foul of the merger. The banking group J > said it had written off $14.7 million (20 million Australian dollars) inK > capitalized software in the six-month period on the project "as it becamehP > apparent that expected benefits would not materialize." That amount was on top6 > of $7.4 million provided in the previous half year.  >   E Interesting we have sucessfully replaced a Tandem system doing credituC authorisation with the same software platform being used by ANZ butl running on Solaris not Windows.      Regardst Andrew Harrisoni   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 07:09:38 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)>/ Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HPs3 Message-ID: <mRlPxaK1efot@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  \ In article <408ECD16.218AA440@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:3 > http://news.com.com/2100-7355-5201041.html?tag=nll > K > It is about ANZ bank's effort to limit on-line fraud. When will these CIOuP > idiots learn that Windows just doesn't cut it for serious stuff ?  $30 millionY > dollars (AUD) wasted because some CIO decided to move to Windows.  Relevant paragraphs:    Thanks, nice post.   > ##L > One high-profile ANZ tech initiative, the Next Generation Switching/TandemO > replacement project, has already fallen foul of the merger. The banking grouphJ > said it had written off $14.7 million (20 million Australian dollars) inK > capitalized software in the six-month period on the project "as it becamepP > apparent that expected benefits would not materialize." That amount was on top6 > of $7.4 million provided in the previous half year.  > K > The ambitious Next Generation Switching project was reportedly one of the.K > first to use Microsoft Windows on a large scale for ATM and point-of-sale  > transactions.  > O > However, according to a report in the Australian Financial Review, the bank's N > new chief information officer, Mike Grimes, ditched the project earlier thisL > month, citing integration issues associated with the NBNZ acquisition. ANZL > will reportedly now stay with Hewlett-Packard's Tandem mainframe product.  > ## > K > This Mike Grimes deserves a good round of applause. Now, if we could onlyt: > convince him to ditch Tandem and go with VMS instead :-)  J I see the smiley, but careful software engineers and managers will realizeL that changing _anything_ to a vastly different system is going to cause lotsK of problems, and the problems it solves have got to be worth a lot in ordert to justify it.  I Tandem machines are very robust but thus quite expensive.  It sounds likeeK the bank ran up against the old axiom - There Ain't No Such Thing As a Freer Lunch.  F VMS fans are lucky the bank was not trying to replace Tandem with VMS,H since there would have also been wasted effort in that case, and perhapsD they would have gotten further along the line before the failure was obvious.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:57:00 +0100o* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>/ Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP ' Message-ID: <c6ogqj$gds$1@lore.csc.com>    JF Mezei wrote:t >  ...sK > This Mike Grimes deserves a good round of applause. Now, if we could onlya: > convince him to ditch Tandem and go with VMS instead :-)  F The Tandem Himalaya does have features not offered on VMS. Picking one at random, process mirroring.e  A Yep, that's right, and interestingly, the mirrored process on thebG duplicated hardware consumes very little resources waiting to take overnE the workload if the "primary" fails, while the hardware the mirror isTD running can be carrying out other useful processing work (of course, mirrored elsewhere).  D However, the component indictment of Tandem is coming in Itanium, soA there is some scope for some funky features in future flux of our  favourite operating system.t   -- g? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesc nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 09:33:02 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)o/ Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP = Message-ID: <734da31c.0404280833.183c134c@posting.google.com>e  q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c6nuot$oc1$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...o > JF Mezei wrote:  > 5 > > http://news.com.com/2100-7355-5201041.html?tag=nlk > > M > > It is about ANZ bank's effort to limit on-line fraud. When will these CIOeR > > idiots learn that Windows just doesn't cut it for serious stuff ?  $30 million[ > > dollars (AUD) wasted because some CIO decided to move to Windows.  Relevant paragraphs:n > >  > > ##N > > One high-profile ANZ tech initiative, the Next Generation Switching/TandemQ > > replacement project, has already fallen foul of the merger. The banking group L > > said it had written off $14.7 million (20 million Australian dollars) inM > > capitalized software in the six-month period on the project "as it becamesR > > apparent that expected benefits would not materialize." That amount was on top8 > > of $7.4 million provided in the previous half year.  > >  > G > Interesting we have sucessfully replaced a Tandem system doing credit E > authorisation with the same software platform being used by ANZ buti! > running on Solaris not Windows.a   We are very impressed Andrew.u  ( The phrase "talk about being conceited."* seems to fit here for an embarrassing man.  * I hope this is not typical for Sun people.   /David   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:01:24 +0800s, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HPr- Message-ID: <871xm8gkh7.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:h  C > VMS fans are lucky the bank was not trying to replace Tandem with C > VMS, since there would have also been wasted effort in that case, F > and perhaps they would have gotten further along the line before the > failure was obvious.  @ ANZ was a big VMS user, don't know if they still use them. Their ATM net was basicly-  - ATMs -- Tandems -- VMS clusters -- blueboxen.2   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.f@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:30:04 -0400r# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n/ Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HPy, Message-ID: <wOGdnZdxqK-BdxLdRVn-tA@igs.net>  7 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in messageg! news:c6ogqj$gds$1@lore.csc.com...s > JF Mezei wrote:g > >t > ...gH > > This Mike Grimes deserves a good round of applause. Now, if we could only< > > convince him to ditch Tandem and go with VMS instead :-) >7H > The Tandem Himalaya does have features not offered on VMS. Picking one > at random, process mirroring.  >tC > Yep, that's right, and interestingly, the mirrored process on thelI > duplicated hardware consumes very little resources waiting to take overnG > the workload if the "primary" fails, while the hardware the mirror iseF > running can be carrying out other useful processing work (of course, > mirrored elsewhere). > F > However, the component indictment of Tandem is coming in Itanium, soC > there is some scope for some funky features in future flux of ourl > favourite operating system.      TAL running on VMS?h   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 06:28:29 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) Subject: Re: OT: Scalability< Message-ID: <bf98c417.0404280528.9c33a9a@posting.google.com>  d 2@r67.net (Ravi V Prasad) wrote in message news:<db7299d4.0404270823.6aa0addf@posting.google.com>...c > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<408568AB.E75D7CE7@teksavvy.com>.... > > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 4   <SNIP- the following is from Mr. Prasad's article>  C > A maxim of software and microelectronics engineering is that all >A > software and electronic and electromechanical systems are to bev
 > regardedF >  as error-prone unless rigorous testing proves them to be reliable.      <SNIP again>  1 This statement is Gilb's Law of Unreliability #8 l  F 8.  All real programs contain errors unless proven otherwise, which is impossible.n  , with its scope expanded to include hardware.  ? It also dances delicately around the point that "reliable" is ae7 percentage arrived at by consensus and not an absolute.g  D I like the method used in some countries to prevent individuals fromF voting multiple times where, after voting, the voter's thumb is dipped= in indelible ink (which takes several days to wear/wash off).o   WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:38:09 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: OT: Scalability, Message-ID: <ltGdnbTQCbJidhLdRVn-vA@igs.net>  ? "William Webb" <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in messageP6 news:bf98c417.0404280528.9c33a9a@posting.google.com..., > 2@r67.net (Ravi V Prasad) wrote in message9 news:<db7299d4.0404270823.6aa0addf@posting.google.com>....< > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( news:<408568AB.E75D7CE7@teksavvy.com>... > > > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > >s6 >   <SNIP- the following is from Mr. Prasad's article> >oD > > A maxim of software and microelectronics engineering is that allC > > software and electronic and electromechanical systems are to bea > > regardedG > >  as error-prone unless rigorous testing proves them to be reliable.n >n >   <SNIP again> >a2 > This statement is Gilb's Law of Unreliability #8 >tH > 8.  All real programs contain errors unless proven otherwise, which is
 > impossible.d >a. > with its scope expanded to include hardware. >kA > It also dances delicately around the point that "reliable" is a 9 > percentage arrived at by consensus and not an absolute.> >uF > I like the method used in some countries to prevent individuals fromH > voting multiple times where, after voting, the voter's thumb is dipped? > in indelible ink (which takes several days to wear/wash off).t    K Would that have prevented the US Supreme court justices from voting twice -gI once at the ballot box for the candidate of their choice, and once on thei, bench for the candidate of their choice? ;-)   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:00:46 +0000 (UTC)aP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)K Subject: Re: SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicals $ Message-ID: <c6nkqu$nqg$1@online.de>  > In article <n2mt80dkaeq5rvrj0fq69cq3brio73abif@4ax.com>, jlsue# <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:    G > >Could this create any problems?  Many applications use SYS$SCRATCH; nE > >suppose it points to a directory on a disk whose name is itself a iJ > >logical---could there be an implicit assumption to honour this only if ! > >it is in the SYSTEM directory?2 > < > The DISK$SCRATCH logical doesn't have any special meaning.  B True, but SYS$SCRATCH does.  If I go forward as planned, it would G translate to a cluster-wide logical name.  I'm wondering if this is OK.@  = > Where do you define SYS$SCRATCH to point to DISK$SCRATCH?  w   In SYS$SYLOGIN.    > Why not just+ > modify it there to point to the new disk?     Because the new disk can change.  E (Here is the background.  All of my disks are now shadow sets, exceptpC DISK$SCRATCH.  The original reason was that I didn't have a matched H pair.  Thinking about it, though, a single disk might be better: writes H will be faster and since it is just a scratch disk, I don't care if the I contents are lost if the disk crashes.  What I DO care about, though, is  H availability, which of course a shadow set could provide.  So what I do F now is periodically check to see if the scratch disk is OK and if not I then define another disk as the scratch disk.  At the moment, this means aE running SYSMAN to define DISK$SCRATCH on all nodes.  Things would be  4 simpler if I could use a cluster-wide logical here.)   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 04:42:48 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) K Subject: Re: SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicalsy< Message-ID: <a98cd882.0404280342.cfdee34@posting.google.com>  | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<c6nkqu$nqg$1@online.de>...@ > In article <n2mt80dkaeq5rvrj0fq69cq3brio73abif@4ax.com>, jlsue% > <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes: o >       [ S n i p ... ] > G > (Here is the background.  All of my disks are now shadow sets, exceptkE > DISK$SCRATCH.  The original reason was that I didn't have a matched J > pair.  Thinking about it, though, a single disk might be better: writes J > will be faster and since it is just a scratch disk, I don't care if the K > contents are lost if the disk crashes.  What I DO care about, though, is  J > availability, which of course a shadow set could provide.  So what I do H > now is periodically check to see if the scratch disk is OK and if not K > then define another disk as the scratch disk.  At the moment, this means eG > running SYSMAN to define DISK$SCRATCH on all nodes.  Things would be t6 > simpler if I could use a cluster-wide logical here.)  F You can use cluster-wide logical names everywhere the translation usesF LNM$SYSTEM and not LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE as argument to $TRNLNM. ComponentsE like RMS, F$PARSE, F$SEARCH etc. correctly use LNM$SYSTEM. This means A that generally you do not have to expect problems when you definen SYS$SCRATCH cluster-wide.   A Of course this does not mean that you would not have to test your  setup!   Regards,  	 Bart Zornd   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:29:07 +0200d2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> Subject: telnet in batch/ Message-ID: <c6o81q$q64$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>t   Hi,m  G I am obviously unable to perform telnet from a command procedure/batch.:) What I want to do in the com procedure ism- - connect by telnet to a host with user/passwt - run a commandf - exit  	 Behavior: 6 - telnet xx.xx.xx.xx /nointer			"no such device avail"- - telnet xx.xx.xx.xx /nointer/log=a.tmp		same # - telnet /nointer /log=a.tmp			samee - telnet /nointer 				same1 - telnet /nointer /log				gives a warning missing     						key valueH    but performs telnet commands like show status, time (not param, sess)    If I try here;    connect xx.xx.xx.zz		gives "invalid parameter delimiter"r	 				\.zz\e6    open xx.xx.xx.zz		gives "missing command paramters"; (BTW it does not chage the behavior if I drop the /nointer)   8 Has anyone an idea how to run telnet in a com-procedure?   Regardsc   Otto    -   -------------------------------------------b, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |-   -------------------------------------------c   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 08:02:16 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: telnet in batch3 Message-ID: <uCRIqJ62S0zr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <c6o81q$q64$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>, "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> writes: > Hi,y > I > I am obviously unable to perform telnet from a command procedure/batch.g+ > What I want to do in the com procedure iso/ > - connect by telnet to a host with user/passwl > - run a commandN > - exit >  > Behavior:p8 > - telnet xx.xx.xx.xx /nointer			"no such device avail"/ > - telnet xx.xx.xx.xx /nointer/log=a.tmp		sameO% > - telnet /nointer /log=a.tmp			sameC > - telnet /nointer 				same3 > - telnet /nointer /log				gives a warning missingD >    						key valueJ >    but performs telnet commands like show status, time (not param, sess) >    If I try here= >    connect xx.xx.xx.zz		gives "invalid parameter delimiter"M > 				\.zz\P8 >    open xx.xx.xx.zz		gives "missing command paramters"= > (BTW it does not chage the behavior if I drop the /nointer)! > : > Has anyone an idea how to run telnet in a com-procedure?  D I have used Kermit for this purpose.  You can either get the version@ with built-in network support (recommended) or do as I have done/ and create the telnet session externally.  e.g.c   (Multinet):    $	telnet <hostname> /create_nty ' $	set terminal telnet_nty /noecho /perm   $	kermit kermit-script-file.name $	deallocate telnet_ntyr   and in the script:   set line telnet_ntyI set input echo onr input 4 {assword\:\ }a if SUCCESS goto got_login0 output {\13} input 2 {assword\:\ }c if SUCCESS goto got_logini$   echo { Failed -- No login prompt }:   push define /job exit_status "Failed -- No login prompt"   exit  
 :got_login wait 1 output {password-here\13}h input 5 {prompt>}  if SUCCESS goto logged_int!   echo { Failed -- Bad password }o?   push define /job exit_status "Failed -- Bad connect password"o   exit  
 :logged_in   ...c  D It's a crude solution, but it works and it uses what I had available at the time.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:52:30 +0200:2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> Subject: Re: telnet in batch/ Message-ID: <c6ogek$t8t$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>t   Hallo Michael,  E I used it with UCX 4.2 (unter VMS 6.2), but I also could try it with mI TCP/IP V5.1 (under VMS 7.3) which is also available on some nodes ion my I cluster.   Regards    Otto  G PS: I will test it on Monday, because I am out of town from tomorrow ona   Michael Austin schrieb:/   > 2 things:_ > N > 1) first of all we need to know which IP stack you are using and the version  > (UCX/TCPIP, Multinet, TCPWare)L > 2) I had an extensive private network with ~200 systems and used RSH/REXECM > for this.  If hackers are a concern or these systems are Internet-facing, Ij > would hesitate to use these. > + > $!!! get.com -- for lack of a better name/% > $!!! tested on TCPIP 5.1 to 5.3ECO2VA > $ inquire/nopunct  p1 "What is the command -- no quotations:  "t$ > $ inquire/nopunct  p2 "Username: "E > $set term/noecho  !! so the password is not displayed on the screenH# > $ inquire/nopunct p3 "Password: "x > $set term/echo  > $ inquire/nopunct p4 "Node:  ", > $rsh 'p4' /username='p2'/pass='p3' "''p1'" > $exite >  > K > and if the command I used returned a lot of data I would also use it withc > pipe > ' > $pipe @get |sear sys$pipe mumblefratzR > , > It will still prompt you for the inputs... >  >  > Michael Austin >  >  > "Dr. Otto Titze" wrote:e >  >  >>Hi,m >>I >>I am obviously unable to perform telnet from a command procedure/batch.l+ >>What I want to do in the com procedure is / >>- connect by telnet to a host with user/passwv >>- run a command  >>- exit >> >>Behavior: H >>- telnet xx.xx.xx.xx /nointer                   "no such device avail"6 >>- telnet xx.xx.xx.xx /nointer/log=a.tmp         same6 >>- telnet /nointer /log=a.tmp                    same6 >>- telnet /nointer                               sameI >>- telnet /nointer /log                          gives a warning missing ; >>                                                key value/J >>   but performs telnet commands like show status, time (not param, sess) >>   If I try hereE >>   connect xx.xx.xx.zz          gives "invalid parameter delimiter"n' >>                                \.zz\-C >>   open xx.xx.xx.zz             gives "missing command paramters" = >>(BTW it does not chage the behavior if I drop the /nointer)e >>: >>Has anyone an idea how to run telnet in a com-procedure? >>	 >>Regardst >> >>Otto >>/ >>  ------------------------------------------- . >>| Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |. >>| Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |. >>| titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |. >>| Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |/ >>  -------------------------------------------@ >  >    -- o-   -------------------------------------------e, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |-   -------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:00:05 +0200 2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> Subject: Re: telnet in batch/ Message-ID: <c6ogsr$tfi$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>    Hallo Micheal,  C as I just checked, rsh is not available on the remote node. It are  F HP2524 switches. (The purpose of the whole effort ist, that I want to I read out the MAC-addresses on the different ports of some switches on an .$ regular basis for security reasons).   RegardsE   Otto   Michael Austin schrieb:i   > 2 things:i > N > 1) first of all we need to know which IP stack you are using and the version  > (UCX/TCPIP, Multinet, TCPWare)L > 2) I had an extensive private network with ~200 systems and used RSH/REXECM > for this.  If hackers are a concern or these systems are Internet-facing, I4 > would hesitate to use these. > + > $!!! get.com -- for lack of a better name-% > $!!! tested on TCPIP 5.1 to 5.3ECO2eA > $ inquire/nopunct  p1 "What is the command -- no quotations:  " $ > $ inquire/nopunct  p2 "Username: "E > $set term/noecho  !! so the password is not displayed on the screen # > $ inquire/nopunct p3 "Password: "o > $set term/echo  > $ inquire/nopunct p4 "Node:  ", > $rsh 'p4' /username='p2'/pass='p3' "''p1'" > $exit  >  > K > and if the command I used returned a lot of data I would also use it withs > pipe > ' > $pipe @get |sear sys$pipe mumblefratzg > , > It will still prompt you for the inputs... >  >  > Michael Austin >  >  > "Dr. Otto Titze" wrote:- >  >  >>Hi,2 >>I >>I am obviously unable to perform telnet from a command procedure/batch.m+ >>What I want to do in the com procedure ise/ >>- connect by telnet to a host with user/passwT >>- run a commandn >>- exit >> >>Behavior:NH >>- telnet xx.xx.xx.xx /nointer                   "no such device avail"6 >>- telnet xx.xx.xx.xx /nointer/log=a.tmp         same6 >>- telnet /nointer /log=a.tmp                    same6 >>- telnet /nointer                               sameI >>- telnet /nointer /log                          gives a warning missingC; >>                                                key valueoJ >>   but performs telnet commands like show status, time (not param, sess) >>   If I try hereE >>   connect xx.xx.xx.zz          gives "invalid parameter delimiter"t' >>                                \.zz\ C >>   open xx.xx.xx.zz             gives "missing command paramters"0= >>(BTW it does not chage the behavior if I drop the /nointer)L >>: >>Has anyone an idea how to run telnet in a com-procedure? >>	 >>Regardst >> >>Otto >>/ >>  -------------------------------------------A. >>| Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |. >>| Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |. >>| titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |. >>| Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |/ >>  -------------------------------------------a >  >    --  -   -------------------------------------------o, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |-   -------------------------------------------r   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Apr 2004 15:45:09 GMT& From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> Subject: Re: telnet in batch7 Message-ID: <slrnc8vkc5.jvb.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu>m  @ On 2004-04-28, Dr. Otto Titze <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:E : as I just checked, rsh is not available on the remote node. It are  H : HP2524 switches. (The purpose of the whole effort ist, that I want to K : read out the MAC-addresses on the different ports of some switches on an l& : regular basis for security reasons). :n# As suggested earlier, use C-Kermit:n  -   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.htmlu  D It is (among other things) a Telnet client with a built-in scriptingJ language.  It works with UCX, MultiNet, TCPware, etc, and with any version? of VMS back to about 4.7, on any hardware, VAX, Alpha, or IA64:s  9   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html#decvms   9 You can find a scripting tutorial and many examples here:c  /   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html    - Franko   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:57:28 +0000 (UTC)e. From: Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> Subject: Re: telnet in batch, Message-ID: <c6ok97$k5g$1@reader2.panix.com>  U On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:29:07 +0200, Dr. Otto Titze <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:  > Hi,eI > I am obviously unable to perform telnet from a command procedure/batch.t+ > What I want to do in the com procedure ist/ > - connect by telnet to a host with user/passwM > - run a commandh > - exit  C We use kermit for this.  The network version (which must match youri@ TCP/IP stack) has a built in telnet.  Kermit, itself, has a good) scripting language which makes this easy.o   VMS batch job:  $ def/use SLF <session log file>* $ ass/use <session init file> ckermit_init $ kermit $ sho sym ckermit_status $ if ckermit_status .ne. 0 $ then& $  code = %x18008002+16*ckermit_status $  sho sym codet $  exit code $ endifa $ exit   The kermit init file:1 log session \$(SLF)c  set input timeout-action proceed set case off set command bytesize 8 set terminal bytesize 8m set block-check 3n set transfer display serialu clear inputt set host /network-type=tcp/ip - =  /userid=<your userid> <your remote system name or IP> telnetb< if failure exit 2 Initial set host ... telnet command failed input 30 {word: }M+ if failure exit 3 No telnet password promptr pause 1o output <your passowrd>\13t ...h  D Of course, you can get a lot more complicated with kermit scripting.   -- o7 Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> (lose the Q's)n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:31:51 GMTo1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>w Subject: Re: telnet in batch2 Message-ID: <408FC055.6E011C9F@firstdbasource.com>  	 2 things:-  L 1) first of all we need to know which IP stack you are using and the version (UCX/TCPIP, Multinet, TCPWare)J 2) I had an extensive private network with ~200 systems and used RSH/REXECK for this.  If hackers are a concern or these systems are Internet-facing, It would hesitate to use these.  ) $!!! get.com -- for lack of a better name # $!!! tested on TCPIP 5.1 to 5.3ECO2i? $ inquire/nopunct  p1 "What is the command -- no quotations:  "l" $ inquire/nopunct  p2 "Username: "C $set term/noecho  !! so the password is not displayed on the screens! $ inquire/nopunct p3 "Password: "v $set term/echo $ inquire/nopunct p4 "Node:  "* $rsh 'p4' /username='p2'/pass='p3' "''p1'" $exitb    I and if the command I used returned a lot of data I would also use it with  pipe  % $pipe @get |sear sys$pipe mumblefratz   * It will still prompt you for the inputs...     Michael Austin     "Dr. Otto Titze" wrote:d   > Hi,R > I > I am obviously unable to perform telnet from a command procedure/batch. + > What I want to do in the com procedure isd/ > - connect by telnet to a host with user/passw. > - run a command- > - exit >- > Behavior:eH > - telnet xx.xx.xx.xx /nointer                   "no such device avail"6 > - telnet xx.xx.xx.xx /nointer/log=a.tmp         same6 > - telnet /nointer /log=a.tmp                    same6 > - telnet /nointer                               sameI > - telnet /nointer /log                          gives a warning missing-; >                                                 key valuerJ >    but performs telnet commands like show status, time (not param, sess) >    If I try hereE >    connect xx.xx.xx.zz          gives "invalid parameter delimiter"s' >                                 \.zz\gC >    open xx.xx.xx.zz             gives "missing command paramters" = > (BTW it does not chage the behavior if I drop the /nointer)n >a: > Has anyone an idea how to run telnet in a com-procedure? > 	 > Regardsi >n > Otto > / >   -------------------------------------------d. > | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |. > | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |. > | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |. > | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |/ >   -------------------------------------------.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 10:39:46 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: telnet in batch3 Message-ID: <8$OijODadc$5@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  d In article <c6ogsr$tfi$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>, "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> writes: > Hallo Micheal, > E > as I just checked, rsh is not available on the remote node. It are gH > HP2524 switches. (The purpose of the whole effort ist, that I want to K > read out the MAC-addresses on the different ports of some switches on an  & > regular basis for security reasons).  B In that case, you may wish to investigate the possibility of using
 SNMP instead.F  , $ MULTINET SHOW /SNMP will work on Multinet.  C You could write your own SNMP reader if you have to.  I've done so.l   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:25:38 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>5 Subject: Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's costh9 Message-ID: <c6o0r3$e1qjo$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>e   Andrew Harrison wrote: > Hans Vlems wrote:a >    <about problems with RedHat>  < >> "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> schreef in bericht >2   <about problems with SuSE>   > E > Strange, I am running JDS (based on SuSE enterprise Desktop) on two C > PC's a Dell Lattitude and a Evesham box. In both cases I have had9B > no issues at all with either sound or graphics though I did need1 > to download the NVIDIA drivers for the Evesham., > D > The Evesham is less than a year old so its relatively new the Dell > is older.n > C > Both the systems NIC's also work as do USB FireWire etc. The onlyVB > thing that doesn't work currently is the Dells Winmodem which is@ > unlikely to be fixed and I cannot change the resolution of the@ > Dells display using the hot keys which is a feature of the ATI > driver for xFree.v > ? > Everything else works remarkably well, DVD reader, CD writer,n% > USB flash cards, Palm USB sync etc.l >    Andrew,   ) What do you have to say on the article atr  ) http://www.linuxworld.com/story/44624.htmt  A 'Linux Viewpoint: Sun Shows Its True Colors, Says Groklaw's "PJ"'P  G They certainly don't sound happy about Java Desktop, or Sun's attitude D to the GPL community.n  / It's currently being discussed on Slashdot BTW.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:36:13 +010029 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com>@4 Subject: Re: [OT]: Secure software design and coding0 Message-ID: <c6ntuf$nvf$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  h > In article <c6am4b$9qm1e$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: >  >>Michael Moroney wrote: >  > M >>>The angle brackets make it a bit more difficult for those who extract withtL >>>a mouse by doubleclicking and pasting into a web browser since that picks; >>>up the angle brackets which have to be manually deleted.e >>>m >>H >>Well, I was going to make a similar comment, but I've just discovered F >>that with Mozilla on VMS, Michael's link enclosed in << >> takes me J >>straight there with a single click, even though the inner brackets were  >>highlighted. >  > / > That is not the case for ANUNEWS over Telnet.e >    Telnet, shame on you.r   regards- Andrew Harrison-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.235 ************************