1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 29 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 237       Contents: ADA shared library, newbie Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other # Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other # Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other # Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other # Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other # Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other  Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/60 ( dtprefs error messages in [.DT]ERRORLOG.2 Re: Dump existing license key info before rebuild?2 Re: Dump existing license key info before rebuild?3 Re: file directory sorted by modification date/time 3 Re: file directory sorted by modification date/time 3 Re: file directory sorted by modification date/time P Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server server> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...
 HP OpenVMS Re: IP TOS support J F screws up again  Re: J F screws up again  Re: J F screws up again ! Re: Java RMI as detached Process? 4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... Re: Marillion Comeback Re: Marillion Comeback Re: Marillion Comeback New to Tru64 need assistance  RE: New to Tru64 need assistance  RE: New to Tru64 need assistance  Re: New to Tru64 need assistance Re: Newbye quetion Re: Newbye quetion! Re: Oracle statement of direction ! Re: Oracle statement of direction & Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP& Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP& Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP' Pathworks for Macintosh & Printing (II) + Re: Pathworks for Macintosh & Printing (II)  Re: strange disk status  Re: strange disk status B Re: SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicalsB Re: SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicalsB Re: SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicals! Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists  Re: telnet in batch  Re: telnet in batch  Re: telnet in batch " Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotas" Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotas" Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotas, Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 10:33:01 -0700% From: ethiobite@yahoo.com (sebastien) # Subject: ADA shared library, newbie = Message-ID: <bfd5f3ca.0404290933.7ea5e6f1@posting.google.com>    Hello,  ! I'm trying to compile some simple ' examples with DEC ADA on a vms station.    test_stack   ... Main test shared_stack ... Body and spec  ' I would like to build a shareable image % using the acs utility and I have the  * message Unit MYLIB not found in directory.   Can someone help me please,   
 Sebastien.  . $ ! ------------------------------------------ $ ! $ $ ! DCL lines for compilation up to & $ ! execution of a simple Ada program. $ !  $ ! Creation : Sebastien Thoos $ ! Date     : 12.04.2004  $ !  $ !  $ ! SETTING THE FILES  $ say := WRITE SYS$OUTPUT  $ adaform/ident test_stack.ada! $ adaform/ident shared_stack_.ada   $ adaform/ident shared_stack.ada $ purge  $ !  $ ! LIBRARY COMPILATION  $ acs create library [.adalib]! $ acs set library/path [.adalib]   $ acs load shared_stack*0 $ acs compile shared_stack /architecture=generic $ !  $ ! SHARED LIBRARY CREATION  $ lib/cre mylib.olb  $ lib mylib.olb [.adalib]*.obj $ !  $ ! INFO ON THE SHARED LIBRARY# $ lib/list=mylib.lis/full mylib.olb  $ type mylib.lis $ del mylib.lis;*  $ ! ' $ ! COMPILATION OF THE TEST APPLICATION  $ acs load test_stack  $ acs compile test_stack $ !   $ ! LINK OF THE TEST APPLICATION$ $ acs link test_stack, mylib/library $ !  $ ! RUNNING THE APPLICATION & $ !say "-----------------------------" $ !run test_stack & $ !say "-----------------------------" $ !    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:23:59 +0400  From: rfc <rfc2000@usa.net> ( Subject: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other8 Message-ID: <ufe19019kusistldi05lljom5mmmmekrti@4ax.com>  D Having not frequented this newsgroup since 1995/1996 (I am seriously= missing VMS and will be back more often now I am purchasing a C home-based 3100/90) I'll always remember Carl as being an obnoxious A but sometimes extremely helpful character (he helped me out a few C times) - where is he nowadays? such colorful characters are few and  far between     F Also, I was the originator of the MicroVAX FAQ - would anybody like toF see its resurrection? I am more than willing to update it and place itF on the web (I must have been odd back in '94/'95 with a MicroVAX-II as my "PC" in the college dorm!)    Ed   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:05:55 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>, Subject: Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other, Message-ID: <c6qk24$182q@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  [ "rfc" <rfc2000@usa.net> wrote in message news:ufe19019kusistldi05lljom5mmmmekrti@4ax.com...  > F > Having not frequented this newsgroup since 1995/1996 (I am seriously? > missing VMS and will be back more often now I am purchasing a E > home-based 3100/90) I'll always remember Carl as being an obnoxious C > but sometimes extremely helpful character (he helped me out a few   > times) - where is he nowadays?  E Carl Lydick died in '96; Google groups has some information as to the  circumstances.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:30:06 +0400  From: rfc <rfc2000@usa.net> , Subject: Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other8 Message-ID: <3jp190dsrvhv3v315l21a9r2hqtaoud4ad@4ax.com>  4 On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:05:55 +0100, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote:   > \ >"rfc" <rfc2000@usa.net> wrote in message news:ufe19019kusistldi05lljom5mmmmekrti@4ax.com... >>G >> Having not frequented this newsgroup since 1995/1996 (I am seriously @ >> missing VMS and will be back more often now I am purchasing aF >> home-based 3100/90) I'll always remember Carl as being an obnoxiousD >> but sometimes extremely helpful character (he helped me out a few! >> times) - where is he nowadays?  > F >Carl Lydick died in '96; Google groups has some information as to the >circumstances.  >   0 ahhha I now see (I mistook his surname spelling)  D Sad to hear. indeed, he was I think when it came to the crunch not a@ bad chap, certainly there are few characters I can remember from> comp.os.vms from the old days.... hoffman (opinionative... VMS? Engineering).  was another... now he I am sure is still around.   D Those old days were certainly fun... before they let the chimpanzees loose on the net *sigh*    Cheers   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 07:25:44 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other3 Message-ID: <o4duSSMQUvjh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <ufe19019kusistldi05lljom5mmmmekrti@4ax.com>, rfc <rfc2000@usa.net> writes: > F > Having not frequented this newsgroup since 1995/1996 (I am seriously? > missing VMS and will be back more often now I am purchasing a E > home-based 3100/90) I'll always remember Carl as being an obnoxious C > but sometimes extremely helpful character (he helped me out a few E > times) - where is he nowadays? such colorful characters are few and 
 > far between   /    Carl is no longer programming here on Earth.    > H > Also, I was the originator of the MicroVAX FAQ - would anybody like toH > see its resurrection? I am more than willing to update it and place itH > on the web (I must have been odd back in '94/'95 with a MicroVAX-II as > my "PC" in the college dorm!)   .    How does it compare to the current VMS FAQ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:46:31 +0400  From: rfc <rfc2000@usa.net> , Subject: Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other8 Message-ID: <50u190ddsu1b9mm9b59ges5ic3hlqev8ke@4ax.com>  F On 29 Apr 2004 07:25:44 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  W >In article <ufe19019kusistldi05lljom5mmmmekrti@4ax.com>, rfc <rfc2000@usa.net> writes:  >>  G >> Having not frequented this newsgroup since 1995/1996 (I am seriously @ >> missing VMS and will be back more often now I am purchasing aF >> home-based 3100/90) I'll always remember Carl as being an obnoxiousD >> but sometimes extremely helpful character (he helped me out a fewF >> times) - where is he nowadays? such colorful characters are few and >> far between > 0 >   Carl is no longer programming here on Earth. >  >>  I >> Also, I was the originator of the MicroVAX FAQ - would anybody like to I >> see its resurrection? I am more than willing to update it and place it I >> on the web (I must have been odd back in '94/'95 with a MicroVAX-II as   >> my "PC" in the college dorm!) > / >   How does it compare to the current VMS FAQ?   F Well it's in pretty poor shape - but you must consider that I wrote itC back in 1994/1995 when not many resources were available on the net D (but in those days as a student at Liverpool I had plenty of time on my hands - now less so)   1 http://anacin.nsc.vcu.edu/~jim/mvax/mvax_faq.html     D Nobody (other than Jim) has resurrected it. I'd like to have a go at! it again if there is any support.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 06:17:12 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb), Subject: Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other< Message-ID: <bf98c417.0404290517.3e2563a@posting.google.com>  [ rfc <rfc2000@usa.net> wrote in message news:<ufe19019kusistldi05lljom5mmmmekrti@4ax.com>... F > Having not frequented this newsgroup since 1995/1996 (I am seriously? > missing VMS and will be back more often now I am purchasing a E > home-based 3100/90) I'll always remember Carl as being an obnoxious C > but sometimes extremely helpful character (he helped me out a few E > times) - where is he nowadays? such colorful characters are few and 
 > far between  >  > H > Also, I was the originator of the MicroVAX FAQ - would anybody like toH > see its resurrection? I am more than willing to update it and place itH > on the web (I must have been odd back in '94/'95 with a MicroVAX-II as > my "PC" in the college dorm!)  >  > Ed   Ed-   
 Welcome back.   D You won't recognize the place considering how much has changed since then.   , I've got Jim's email address if you need it.  , I won't put it up here because of the bots-   < I don't recall if he updated the MicroVAX FAQ to include the; VAXstation 3100/76 stuff I put online but it's available at / www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/intro/Doc-i.html.   ? Feel free to contact me at the reply-to of this post, or, for a D response before I get home this evening, at an address, the parts ofF which can be described as  a prefix consisting of my first initial andC last name and a suffix of emailuspsgov with two dots in the obvious  places.    WWWebb   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:32:31 GMT  From: wannabe@fish.org( Subject: Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/608 Message-ID: <7r0290l9s0c5sm25q9rb5gjq757vi6k3ic@4ax.com>  ) On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:07:02 +0000 (UTC), C helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to 
 reply) wrote:   2 >Why does it not RESTART even if HALT is set to 1?  F If the machine is halting rather than crashing, it won't restart.  TryB entering "cont" at the >>> prompt to see if is just halting from a
 "break".     ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 10:39:23 -0700$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)1 Subject: dtprefs error messages in [.DT]ERRORLOG. = Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0404290939.7b24ffb0@posting.google.com>   C In my [.DT]ERRORLOG. file I'm getting several errors that look like  this:   7 dtprefs:  colon missing on line nn, ignoring entry "\n"   D I've searched all the man pages that come with CDE but haven't foundD any references to dtprefs, and I've google searched for dtprefs, butE so far I have had no luck determining what is reporting this error or 4 what file it is reading that has the missing colons.  + Can anyone point me in the right direction?    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 07:23:41 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ; Subject: Re: Dump existing license key info before rebuild? 3 Message-ID: <oZktIwsxGNC5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   F In article <1090k2ban603ma6@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes:8 > I have a rather old Alpha that needs to rebuild badly. > ; > Is it possible to dump the currently loaded license info, = > rebuild the system disk from the VMS CD and then reload the  > dumped license information?   @    You need to save/restore sys$system:lmf$license.ldb, it's the    license data base.   = > Or do I have to track down the original License PAKs (major   > job ... maybe even impossible) > = > The SCSNODE name and SCSID number will be changing with the ' > rebuild, if this makes any diffeence.   =    After restoring the license data base, look through it for @    licenses that are Include: old-scsnode, especiall if they are;    Options: NO_SHARE, and modify them /include=new-scsnode.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:13:01 GMT ) From: Alfred Falk <falk@arc.REMOVE.ab.ca> ; Subject: Re: Dump existing license key info before rebuild? 8 Message-ID: <Xns94DA721AB1DCfalkarcabca@198.161.157.145>  1 "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in  ) news:8didnQvc_rjcwg3d4p2dnA@adelphia.com:   
 > Z wrote:9 >> I have a rather old Alpha that needs to rebuild badly.  >>  < >> Is it possible to dump the currently loaded license info,> >> rebuild the system disk from the VMS CD and then reload the >> dumped license information? > E > Use the $license issue command.  Be aware that it will disable the   > license keys it is used on.   E Easy work-around:  copy the database first, then issue from the copy.     J > Or as David has pointed out, you can save off the license database file. >    --  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:28:33 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>< Subject: Re: file directory sorted by modification date/time9 Message-ID: <c6qlci$f65rj$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>    Joshua Lehrer wrote:C > What's the most efficient way to get a listing of files in a very / > large directory, sorted by modification time?  > 5 > Either a DCL or C solution is fine for my purposes.  >   H I don't know of any C out there, but to get a one line per entry report  from DCL try something like:  >   $ dir/date=modified/width=(file:80,display:132) /out=out.txt  C Use /nohead/notrail if you wish to cust out the header and trailer  I lines, but be aware that this will produce the full device/directory  on  
 each line.  H Then use a bit of DCL to convert the output file into YYYY-MM-DD format  and sort the result.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:54:21 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>< Subject: Re: file directory sorted by modification date/time9 Message-ID: <c6r4uu$fel64$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    Paul Sture wrote:  > Joshua Lehrer wrote:D >> What's the most efficient way to get a listing of files in a very0 >> large directory, sorted by modification time? >>6 >> Either a DCL or C solution is fine for my purposes. >> > B > I don't know of any C out there, but to get a one line per entry% > report from DCL try something like:  > @ >   $ dir/date=modified/width=(file:80,display:132) /out=out.txt > D > Use /nohead/notrail if you wish to cust out the header and trailerF > lines, but be aware that this will produce the full device/directory > on each line.  > B > Then use a bit of DCL to convert the output file into YYYY-MM-DD > format and sort the result.   8 Slightly easier if you have the Date/Time format started3 (@SYS$STARTUP:LIB$DT_STARTUP) and issue the command > $ ASSIGN LIB$DATE_FORMAT_037,LIB$TIME_FORMAT_001 LIB$DT_FORMAT$ before you do the directory command.   So;    $ ASSIGN LIB$DATE_FORMAT_037,-    LIB$TIME_FORMAT_001 -    LIB$DT_FORMAT/USER_MODE% $ directx -  ! Ignore any DIR symbols     /date=modified-     /width=(file:80,display:132)-    /out=out.txt  $ sort out.txt -     /key=(pos:83,siz:22) tt:7 should do it as long as someone with privileges did the " @SYS$STARTUP:LIB$DT_STARTUP first.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:59:57 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> < Subject: Re: file directory sorted by modification date/time2 Message-ID: <40913488.9ABF6DE1@firstdbasource.com>  ( $!!! sortdir.com - default is descending  $if p1 .eqs. "" then p1 = "desc" $ DEFINE/USER LIB$DT_FORMAT - ,     LIB$DATE_FORMAT_037, LIB$TIME_FORMAT_001 $set term/wid=132 @ $ pipe directory /date=modified /width=(file:50,display:132) | -5    sort sys$pipe sys$output /key=(pos:53,siz:22,'p1')  $set term/wid=80   Example usage:   $ pipe @a |sear sys$pipe a.comJ A.COM;8                                             2004-04-29 11:55:46.16  J A.COM;7                                             2004-04-29 11:28:57.84  J A.COM;6                                             2004-04-29 11:27:42.59  J A.COM;5                                             2004-04-29 11:27:17.21  J A.COM;4                                             2004-04-29 11:26:45.57  J A.COM;3                                             2004-04-29 11:25:09.87  A aa.com;1                                               2004-04-09  21:44:12.21 G VPA.COM;2                                        2003-06-06 22:20:16.90 @ GET_AREA.COM;2                            2003-06-06 22:18:43.87= DUMP_AREA.COM;2                        2003-06-06 22:18:25.79 J A.COM;2                                             2003-06-06 22:17:53.39   Micheal Austin.          Peter Weaver wrote:    > Paul Sture wrote:  > > Joshua Lehrer wrote:F > >> What's the most efficient way to get a listing of files in a very2 > >> large directory, sorted by modification time? > >>8 > >> Either a DCL or C solution is fine for my purposes. > >> > > D > > I don't know of any C out there, but to get a one line per entry' > > report from DCL try something like:  > > B > >   $ dir/date=modified/width=(file:80,display:132) /out=out.txt > > F > > Use /nohead/notrail if you wish to cust out the header and trailerH > > lines, but be aware that this will produce the full device/directory > > on each line.  > > D > > Then use a bit of DCL to convert the output file into YYYY-MM-DD > > format and sort the result.  > : > Slightly easier if you have the Date/Time format started5 > (@SYS$STARTUP:LIB$DT_STARTUP) and issue the command @ > $ ASSIGN LIB$DATE_FORMAT_037,LIB$TIME_FORMAT_001 LIB$DT_FORMAT& > before you do the directory command. >  > So;  >   > $ ASSIGN LIB$DATE_FORMAT_037,- >    LIB$TIME_FORMAT_001 - >    LIB$DT_FORMAT/USER_MODE' > $ directx -  ! Ignore any DIR symbols  >    /date=modified-" >    /width=(file:80,display:132)- >    /out=out.txt  > $ sort out.txt - >     /key=(pos:83,siz:22) tt:9 > should do it as long as someone with privileges did the $ > @SYS$STARTUP:LIB$DT_STARTUP first. >  > -- > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:44:34 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>Y Subject: Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server server 9 Message-ID: <c6qiq2$f2qc8$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>    Christoph Gartmann wrote: m > In article <f7a73cb1.0404271116.3f798bf9@posting.google.com>, c00per11242001@yahoo.ca (Vic Mendham) writes:  > + >>We are auditing our servers for software. C >>I have over 200 VAX & Alpha servers, and I need to find out which - >>version of Decnet is running on my servers.  >>G >>Some servers I can do a license list and don't see decnet, but do see # >>dvnetend, so don't have dvnetend.  >>D >>I am told if I do a mc ncl show address and it works, I am running- >>Decnet Phase V, what about Phase IV or OSI?  >  >  > MC NCP SHO EXECUTOR  > + > If you get an answer Phase IV is running.  >    Not strictly true:   $ mc ncp show executor    0 Node Volatile Summary as of 29-APR-2004 11:43:53   Executor node = 54.1 (MYNODE)    State                    = on 1 Identification           = DECnet-OSI for OpenVMS    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:32:00 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 9 Message-ID: <c6qi2i$eisfj$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>    Karsten Nyblad wrote: H > "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message, > news:c6ntl3$nvf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > = >>So far in this thread we have had Bob K making claims about : >>UNIX authentication which are incorrect and Bob C making= >>claims about the relatie Security of OpenVMS vs UNIX namely ; >>that OpenVMS cannot be infected with virii which are also  >>incorrect. >  > K > And Bob K claimed in <KsPWa8jYe286@eisner.encompasserve.org> that VMS has J > had security logs since 1984.  However, when I pointed out the error, heM > claimed in <3nFczU07Ju10@eisner.encompasserve.org> that he was writing that J > VMS has had cluster since 1984.  Clusters are not mentioned in the first: > article.  Here are references to the articles on Google: > http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_umsgid=%3CKsPWa8jYe286@eisner.encompasserve.org%3E&lr=&hl=en  > http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_umsgid=%3C3nFczU07Ju10@eisner.encompasserve.org%3E&lr=&hl=en  >   I Oh, but as I remember it, VMS did have security logs with V4.0. Not disk  H logs as they later became, because the concept then was to log messages  to a hardcopy terminal.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:26:11 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 0 Message-ID: <c6qvq6$r2o$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:\ > In article <c6oq6c$2ggh$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: > K >>And Bob K claimed in <KsPWa8jYe286@eisner.encompasserve.org> that VMS has   >>had security logs since 1984.  >  > G >    Does it really matter if I had it a few years later and UNIX STILL  >    HASN'T GOT IT?  >   + Sorry UNIX hasn't got what, Security logs ?    Think again    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:24:50 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 0 Message-ID: <c6qvnl$r2o$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   GreyCloud wrote: > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > F >>Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message. >>news:<c6ntl3$nvf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >>@ >>>Nope wrong again I am responding to postings that make claimsA >>>about Sun, UNIX, Solaris, Linux which are factually incorrect.  >>> @ >>>If you can find any claims that I have made about OpenVMS, orD >>>Alpha for that matter that are factually incorrect then I suggest >>>you publish them. >>8 >>we would, but that would mean going back and capturing* >>every word you have spoken so far ... :) >  > + > Darn, this ISP didn't even show his post. K > Apparently, Andie doesn't know what trolling means then.  And I have read N > some of his comparisons of OpenVMS and asking others if it can do the thingsM > that Solaris can.  When he is in a newsgroup other than of his own interest * > and starts to do bashing, he is a troll. >  > : So if you have read them publish them or as I said earlier( my advice to Bob applies to you as well.  9 Isn't it getting a bit tiresome, you keep claiming that I : am trolling but when pushed cannot provide any examples of this apparent activity.   ; I have asked you to provide examples supporting your claims 9 three times now, that I think is enough don't you without  any adequate response.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:34:18 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 8 Message-ID: <r08290h8u48uusq6cd352cujkg4ad6jgpt@4ax.com>  K On 28 Apr 2004 07:35:29 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob  Koehler) wrote:   b >In article <1sft801170sv963h8sggatct06i3lq4v59@4ax.com>, jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes: >>  M >> I'm just not going to get my system manager to provide elevated privileges , >> to run random code in most OpenVMS shops. > F >   I don't need admin privileges on OpenVMS just to install some data+ >   processing program I need to do my job.   8 What point are you making that I didn't already address?H Your running - in a non-priv'd account - any random code severely limitsF the ability of that code to replicate and become more harmful, thereby affecting the business.    --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:33:25 +0400  From: rfc <rfc2000@usa.net>  Subject: HP OpenVMS 8 Message-ID: <mrp19053olvdlsebu8mvmdn6sr06tkgqtf@4ax.com>  / Doesn't have quite the same ring to it does it?   D Poor old VMS... shuffled around a few PC Box shifters... it deserved
 better....  E Same goes for the Alpha.. heck... Digital were the best.. I'm sad for  one    cheers   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 06:33:12 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: IP TOS support 3 Message-ID: <jy38zQvbQ4Zu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   y In article <40904F8B.19B139B3@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  > James Wilkinson wrote: >>  T >> Is there a way to set the TOS (type of service) field under TCP/IP Services v5.4? > F > Well, I'm no UCX guru, but since you didn't get a response yet, I'll > take a shot... > H > Not sure what you mean by "type of service". Is this UN*X terminology?  + It's IP protocol specification terminology.   K The Type of Service (TOS) field is an 8 bit field in the header used by the % IP protocol. See RFC 791 for details.   H I've never had to set it, so I never had to look to see if it's settable under UCX 4/5.   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:40:03 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>  Subject: J F screws up again8 Message-ID: <b7a6ee3817d487406a177c3fef4450a9@dizum.com>  H JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> trolling furiously, let his mask slip in) rec.travel.air and betrayed his identity:    <snip>   You're cracking, JF......    FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI   (Rev. Apr. 25, 2004)   1.  Who is JF Mezei?  G Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever hit J rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also one of the) longest running trolls in usenet history.   J ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND E-MAILO ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS THEIR MESSAGES.***   I If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor the K control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your messages, J forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and usenet@news.wplus.net .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 695-8259  2 His current e-mail address is jfmezei@teksavvy.com  * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  H His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades yourO newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, day in and day out, O every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He does not listen to pleas I to stop, he does not listen to anything anyone tells him, he does not pay O attention when the misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just M goes right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his ears G closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?   P His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  He hates theK USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn it into a USA-bashing C fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start making lewd posts.   $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  P Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have a visceralP hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a happier, better, moreJ successful version of their country and they can't stand it.  Some of JF'sN favorite troll bait is "the Bush regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis ofJ evil", "Americans are brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   P Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre.  Among hisI favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women's genitalia, sex toys, M circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of course) ... the list is endless.    8.  Circumcision???   P Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes to insertF circumcision into his trolling every now and then.  Apparently, JF wasP traumatized as a child because his parents, poor Hungarian immigrants to Canada,O left him uncircumcised when he was born, as is the custom in most of the world. N Growing up in Canada where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time,O he was psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he arranged D to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades of circumcisionN proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a free willy.  His mainO argument is how much better he was able to masturbate after getting circumcised M without that "pesky foreskin" getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has > made it his mission in life to spread the circumcision gospel.  H 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.  N Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among the subjects dearO to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, especially little boy's J foreskins (and how tight they are) and little girls' hymens.  He is also aK tireless activist and advocate that children should be taught to masturbate H early on so that they don't grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  L He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their littleM boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, proper movement, O and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.  Utopia for JF would be a > world full of parents manipulating their little boys' penises.  M 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the minute!  Are  you sure about all this stuff?  P Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a decade full of Mezei trolling in there.   M 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the time like  all trolls do?  K Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling  aliases.  G 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he work?   O Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a grown man O who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and trolls the newsgroups M all night.  In his free time when he isn't trolling he likes to ride his bike G down to Dorval Airport and race the planes down the runway in his bike.h  9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?a  M Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he never got pastdG the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor (i.e. "pull myLH finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  L 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about them, is
 that true?  M Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in the locker room.oN He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has seen in locker rooms overP the years, especially his unnatural obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the menO in locker rooms trying to measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is N left if they have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.t  O 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!-  M Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin foil hatiN world where others are out to get him.  The key to understanding JF is that heL sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the world is out to get him, especially the) USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.e  O What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian rail system wasnJ "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut, spotting trains,N writing down their numbers and chasing them down at the train yard like a goodM freak.  Then he turned his attention to aviation.  Major events that made himTP fall head first deep into the abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines andO their subsequent takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid ishM he that when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employeeskO went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to cover up the Air D Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of the crash1 investigation.  He has never recovered from this.   6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  O His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient,uJ arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously forM decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts who share-J his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!  ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?s  I can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computergG groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded theEN sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled it relentlesslyP with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for.  But they ranN him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail% between his legs, licking his wounds.-  P 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn't troll.  O Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so he slips1P in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and,L more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them so they* won't find out what a major netkook he is.  P 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  O Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while you're atDI it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido too.  And to O alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.m  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  H Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:  * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com usenet@news.wplus.neta  7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.-   TekSavvy Solutions Inc.t 330 Richmond St., Suite 205- Chatham, ON, Canada  N7M 1P7-  P And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups, email it toP people, you may host it at your own website, send it to newspapers and magazinesI that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.s     *** APPENDIX ***  P List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over the years.  This isK only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.r   jfmezei@teksavvy.com jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com jfmezei@istop.comw jfmezei.spamnot@istop.comt jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  nospam.jfmezei@videotron.caX "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>' nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  nobody <nobody@null.dev>) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com>5' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>d muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au> # snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree>.) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>m& Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>6 Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>p" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>h' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>)" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>s' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>t( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>u' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>r% Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>h Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>9! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>B# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>9 Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>e$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>h  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>s% Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>e$ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>l& Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>n% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>@( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>1' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>r% Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>i$ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>0( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>p" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>c& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>m) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>h' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>a" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>"* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>i Q <queue@continuum.net>e Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>m  ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:10:11 GMTH  From: "~ Darrell ~" <me@here.eh>  Subject: Re: J F screws up againN Message-ID: <DN9kc.317496$2oI1.216424@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message2 news:b7a6ee3817d487406a177c3fef4450a9@dizum.com...J > JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> trolling furiously, let his mask slip in+ > rec.travel.air and betrayed his identity:a >i > <snip> >r > You're cracking, JF......  > L WHO THE FUCK CARES??? Other than Mr. Anon???? Are you a cyber-stalker havingJ sexual fantasies about JF Mezei? You have all the traits of a stalker, now( go seek your mental health professional.   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:20:05 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>   Subject: Re: J F screws up again8 Message-ID: <fc8ea9e914585c428a5fa87c893b29e7@dizum.com>  " devil <devil@attglobal.net> wrote:  4 >On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:59:13 -0400, JF Mezei wrote: >I > snip > E >Eh, you are somebody (not "nobody") again?  Welcome back, I suppose.m  / No need to welcome him back, he never left. <g>   N This happens because he is trolling across various groups so furiously it getsK hard for him to keep his identities straight.  You should see the number ofaM times he forgets to switch it back in the other groups.  There must be a nameO for his illness.   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI   (Rev. Apr. 25, 2004)   1.  Who is JF Mezei?  G Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever hitsJ rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also one of the) longest running trolls in usenet history.s  J ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND E-MAILO ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS THEIR MESSAGES.***d  I If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor the K control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your messages,uJ forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and usenet@news.wplus.net .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.C   3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezein 86 Harwood Gates Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3g (514) 695-8259  2 His current e-mail address is jfmezei@teksavvy.com  * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  H His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades yourO newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, day in and day out,rO every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He does not listen to pleas I to stop, he does not listen to anything anyone tells him, he does not paycO attention when the misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just M goes right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his ears-G closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"m   5.  What does he troll about?c  P His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  He hates theK USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn it into a USA-bashingdC fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start making lewd posts.t  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  P Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have a visceralP hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a happier, better, moreJ successful version of their country and they can't stand it.  Some of JF'sN favorite troll bait is "the Bush regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis ofJ evil", "Americans are brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?f  P Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre.  Among hisI favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women's genitalia, sex toys, M circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of course) ... the list is endless.    8.  Circumcision???   P Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes to insertF circumcision into his trolling every now and then.  Apparently, JF wasP traumatized as a child because his parents, poor Hungarian immigrants to Canada,O left him uncircumcised when he was born, as is the custom in most of the world.GN Growing up in Canada where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time,O he was psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he arranged.D to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades of circumcisionN proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a free willy.  His mainO argument is how much better he was able to masturbate after getting circumcised M without that "pesky foreskin" getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he hass> made it his mission in life to spread the circumcision gospel.  H 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.  N Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among the subjects dearO to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, especially little boy'sAJ foreskins (and how tight they are) and little girls' hymens.  He is also aK tireless activist and advocate that children should be taught to masturbateaH early on so that they don't grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  L He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their littleM boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, proper movement,rO and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.  Utopia for JF would be ap> world full of parents manipulating their little boys' penises.  M 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the minute!  Are? you sure about all this stuff?  P Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a decade full of Mezei trolling in there.a  M 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the time likes all trolls do?  K Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling- aliases.  G 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he work?   O Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a grown man O who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and trolls the newsgroupstM all night.  In his free time when he isn't trolling he likes to ride his bike-G down to Dorval Airport and race the planes down the runway in his bike.S  9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?o  M Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he never got pastrG the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor (i.e. "pull myaH finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  L 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about them, is
 that true?  M Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in the locker room.:N He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has seen in locker rooms overP the years, especially his unnatural obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the menO in locker rooms trying to measure how much foreskin they have, or how little istN left if they have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.-  O 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!v  M Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin foil hataN world where others are out to get him.  The key to understanding JF is that heL sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the world is out to get him, especially the) USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.d  O What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian rail system wasoJ "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut, spotting trains,N writing down their numbers and chasing them down at the train yard like a goodM freak.  Then he turned his attention to aviation.  Major events that made himwP fall head first deep into the abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines andO their subsequent takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid isnM he that when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employeesyO went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to cover up the AirnD Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of the crash1 investigation.  He has never recovered from this..  6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  O His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient,/J arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously forM decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts who shareiJ his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!  ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?O  I can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computerhG groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded theeN sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled it relentlesslyP with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for.  But they ranN him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail% between his legs, licking his wounds.t  P 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn't troll.  O Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so he slipssP in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and,L more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them so they* won't find out what a major netkook he is.  P 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  O Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while you're at I it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido too.  And to O alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.   4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  H Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:  * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com usenet@news.wplus.net.  7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.;   TekSavvy Solutions Inc.  330 Richmond St., Suite 2052 Chatham, ON, Canada  N7M 1P7   P And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups, email it toP people, you may host it at your own website, send it to newspapers and magazinesI that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  P List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over the years.  This isK only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.i   jfmezei@teksavvy.com jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com jfmezei@istop.comy jfmezei.spamnot@istop.comd jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.cai nospam.jfmezei@videotron.cae "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>  nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  nobody <nobody@null.dev>) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com>B' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>D muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au> # snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree>-) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>O& Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>r' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>a" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>-' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>p( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>o' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>. Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>p! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>7# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>o  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>s Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>d$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>c! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>m  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>x$ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>t& Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>-% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>i' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>a( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>r' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>r$ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>n( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>t" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>t& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>i) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>4' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>t" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>r* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>s* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>-  ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:49:41 GMTc& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>* Subject: Re: Java RMI as detached Process?8 Message-ID: <0u82909t4juafcia49umtpaa04liti1imh@4ax.com>  F On 28 Apr 2004 07:02:01 -0700, soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote:eN >> Most likely you really want to RUN LOGINOUT.EXE and use /INPUT= to point to. >> a DCL command file that executes your code. >> D >  >We use something like this: >$!y >$! ACEA.COM >$! E >$ DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY LNM$TEMPORARY_MAILBOX LNM$GROUPy >$ SET OUTPUT_RATE=00:00:02e >$ RUN/NODEBUG PROD:[AXP]ACEA- >-( >Which is called by something like this: >$!4 >$! DETACHACEA.COM >$!nC >$ RUN/DUMP/DETACHED/AUTHORIZE/NORESOURCE_WAIT/PROCESS_NAME="ACEA"-m  >     /INPUT=PROD:[AXP]ACEA.COM-! >     /OUTPUT=PROD:[AXP]ACEA.LOG-v >     SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE$ >e  J Do you get any messages ini ACEA.LOG that can point to an error condition?  A You might need to execute the appropriate java$whatever_setup.comsE procecdure from ACEA.COM (just a wild-assed guess here, with no errorr messages to go on).    --- jlsl0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:15:43 +0100tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...t0 Message-ID: <c6qv6j$qtj$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:e > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c6j04o$1qa$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...o > A >>>no, but I can connect with good old ethernet and ftp to it ...  >>< >>Now that just about tops it Bob, thanks for the insight on, >>how you sync your PDA to your OpenVMS box. >>? >>I say thanks because you just proved my point so conclusivelys* >>that its hardly worth going any further. >>; >>And the state of the art for syncronisation on OpenVMS isn* >>wait for it, wild cheering, FTP, groans. >>	 >>Regards' >>Andrew Harrison  >  > B > it does everything we need it do, which is to transmit files ...= > and if I have to wait for something, security and uptime isf > worth the wait ...    9 So when one of your users updates their calendar on theirr7 PDA how does your FTP mechanism ensure that the centralp6 calendar database is merged with the calendar database on the clients ?     Regardso Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:19:59 +0100lO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>r= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 0 Message-ID: <c6qvei$r1b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:is > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c6nvmg$oli$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...r > B >>The users have, Palms, WinCE/PocketPC based devices mostly iPAQS= >>Blackberrys and blended Mobile Phone/PDA's all of them haveaB >>syncronisation requirements to the desktop for backup, calendar,? >>contacts list, and sometimes mail and other apps. Whatever wez< >>propose will not fly if it doesn't cater for syncing their> >>PDA's. My Preference would be SyncML rather than the current: >>scenario where they have PIM's/conduits for each device. >>C >>Most computer field service organisations provide their engineerslE >>with some form of PDA type device, might have a barcode reader/RFIDtF >>scanner moving forward and it will need some form of syncronisation. >> >>The list is pretty endless.  >>	 >>Regards  >>Andrew Harrisone >  >  > just like your hot air ... :)     5 No Bob the list is pretty endless, Medics, Engineers,:/ Sales people (heard of Sales Force Automation),g- Delivery drivers, shelf stackers in stores it  goes on and on.-  3 And Bob hot air=you, please remember you have neverc3 managed to justify your security, performance, slow 2 Solaris etc claims and that translates into a load of hot air.a   Regardso Andrew Harrison>   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:44:32 GMTc" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Marillion Comebackp0 Message-ID: <00A31146.4D02510D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <8s7YZseRaZhB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:o >y >  >Yo VAXMan.  >v< >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/28/marillion_comeback/  , ...but then you knew I already knew this. :)  I VAXman, whose name is in the liner notes of this new album along with the G names of wife and son and 13,000 other fans that pre-ordered the album.-   -- FB http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be., -- pK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM:            p5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:15:58 +0200k* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Marillion Comebackk9 Message-ID: <c6qrm0$esqt4$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>M   VAXman- wrote:c > In article <8s7YZseRaZhB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:e >  >> >>Yo VAXMan. >>= >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/28/marillion_comeback/g >  > . > ...but then you knew I already knew this. :) > K > VAXman, whose name is in the liner notes of this new album along with theOI > names of wife and son and 13,000 other fans that pre-ordered the album.i >   E I also caught a snippet on BBC radio this morning that they had been lI asking fans to buy 3 copies of their latest single, with the result that o- it went straight into the UK singles top ten.e   An earlier report at  : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3632743.stm   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:48:42 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Marillion Comebacku0 Message-ID: <00A31157.A5426469@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <c6qrm0$esqt4$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: >VAXman- wrote:rd >> In article <8s7YZseRaZhB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: >> s >>>y
 >>>Yo VAXMan.e >>> > >>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/28/marillion_comeback/ >> t >> h/ >> ...but then you knew I already knew this. :)m >> /L >> VAXman, whose name is in the liner notes of this new album along with theJ >> names of wife and son and 13,000 other fans that pre-ordered the album. >> e >yF >I also caught a snippet on BBC radio this morning that they had been J >asking fans to buy 3 copies of their latest single, with the result that . >it went straight into the UK singles top ten. >d >An earlier report at ; >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3632743.stmk  I Yup.  They're doing their best to dis the music industry that dissed themsI and so many other great artist/acts/bands.  Many other bands are taking ahI few hints from them.  Let's hope the death knell sounds soon for the com-s mercial music biz. :)o   -- nB http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.r -- iK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             o5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" i   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 06:45:18 -0700( From: jackiefoster00@hotmail.com (Jazzy)% Subject: New to Tru64 need assistance = Message-ID: <60953269.0404290545.20271758@posting.google.com>   A I have the following Questions for whoever is able to assist me!!e  : 1. I am new to tru64 and I am looking for someone that can< train/tutor/transition me to the OS.  I have 8 years of unix experience with HP/Solaris.H  C 2. I am in the process of installing tru64 for home self  training,,A can anyone recommend the best low end/afforable server.  Where toe	 purchase?t  E 3.  Is there a monthly tru64 user group meeting held in Atlanta, GA? (D If so what is the date/time/location/fee and how does one sign up to attend.h   Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:00:41 -0700e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>u) Subject: RE: New to Tru64 need assistanceu9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEJNDCAA.tom@kednos.com>k  6 Wrong newgroup, you want tru64-unix-managers@ornl.gov. To purchaseo http://www.hpaq.net/   or just saw this 2 days agoh   Hi Guys,  / I'm selling 4 XP1000s with the following specs:k   500 Mhz  9 gig SCSI drive ELSA Gloria videos 2 gigs RAM on each machine!!!e3 OS: linux (debian or red hat), but can run NT, VMS,g Tru64s  4 Asking 800/each, let me know if anyone is interested before I dump them on ebay.    --David Janelloe" David Janello [djanello@yahoo.com]       -----Original Message-----1   From: Jazzy [mailto:jackiefoster00@hotmail.com]r(   Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:45 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy'   Subject: New to Tru64 need assistancei      C   I have the following Questions for whoever is able to assist me!!t   <   1. I am new to tru64 and I am looking for someone that can>   train/tutor/transition me to the OS.  I have 8 years of unix   experience with HP/Solaris.i   E   2. I am in the process of installing tru64 for home self  training,lC   can anyone recommend the best low end/afforable server.  Where to    purchase?a   G   3.  Is there a monthly tru64 user group meeting held in Atlanta, GA? tF   If so what is the date/time/location/fee and how does one sign up to	   attend.h      Thanks      ---s(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004e    ---l& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:12:40 -0700y# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a) Subject: RE: New to Tru64 need assistancei9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEJODCAA.tom@kednos.com>e   Should hve addedH  3. This mailing list is managed by a utility called Majordomo. You can 6      subscribe to the list by sending a message like:     )            subscribe tru64-unix-managers ,          to majordomo@ornl.gov.     F      Likewise, if you want to remove yourself from the list, send the       message:     *            unsubscribe tru64-unix-managers     -----Original Message-----*   From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com](   Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:01 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr+   Subject: RE: New to Tru64 need assistanceo      8   Wrong newgroup, you want tru64-unix-managers@ornl.gov.
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   Hi Guys,   1   I'm selling 4 XP1000s with the following specs:s   	   500 Mhzs   9 gig SCSI drive   ELSA Gloria videon   2 gigs RAM on each machine!!!e5   OS: linux (debian or red hat), but can run NT, VMS,e   Tru64m   6   Asking 800/each, let me know if anyone is interested   before I dump them on ebay.h      --David Janello $   David Janello [djanello@yahoo.com]           -----Original Message-----3     From: Jazzy [mailto:jackiefoster00@hotmail.com]a*     Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:45 AM     To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma)     Subject: New to Tru64 need assistanceh          E     I have the following Questions for whoever is able to assist me!!e     >     1. I am new to tru64 and I am looking for someone that can@     train/tutor/transition me to the OS.  I have 8 years of unix     experience with HP/Solaris.a     G     2. I am in the process of installing tru64 for home self  training,hE     can anyone recommend the best low end/afforable server.  Where tog
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     Thanks          ---p*     Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.>     Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C     Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004         ---s(   Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004a      ---h(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004y    ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:43:04 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>) Subject: Re: New to Tru64 need assistanceo= Message-ID: <Yv8kc.71826$yv.2400741@twister.southeast.rr.com>a  J http://www.Tru64.org : news info and links to everything related to Tru64.   --
 Ken Farmer	 Tru64.orgm    5 "Jazzy" <jackiefoster00@hotmail.com> wrote in message 7 news:60953269.0404290545.20271758@posting.google.com...wC > I have the following Questions for whoever is able to assist me!!l >t< > 1. I am new to tru64 and I am looking for someone that can> > train/tutor/transition me to the OS.  I have 8 years of unix > experience with HP/Solaris.J >aE > 2. I am in the process of installing tru64 for home self  training,aC > can anyone recommend the best low end/afforable server.  Where to  > purchase?p >sF > 3.  Is there a monthly tru64 user group meeting held in Atlanta, GA?F > If so what is the date/time/location/fee and how does one sign up to	 > attend.s >c > Thanks   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 04:25:28 -0700B From: jose_luis_fdez_diaz_news@yahoo.es (jose luis fernandez diaz) Subject: Re: Newbye quetiony= Message-ID: <c2f95fd0.0404290325.507956f7@posting.google.com>n  F so, is there actually any relation between OSF/Tru64 and OpenVms ?, or% they are two OS completely different.y   Regards,
 Jose Luis.  v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<c5wqch3wcgPf@eisner.encompasserve.org>... > In article <c2f95fd0.0404280136.7ecb46a@posting.google.com>, jose_luis_fdez_diaz_news@yahoo.es (jose luis fernandez diaz) writes:n > > Hi,p > > 9 > > Can anyone give a the definition and the relation of:y > > 	 > > - OSFoC >    Open Software Foundation, at one time distributed OSF/1, a BSDoA >    based UNIX which DEC ported to it's Alpha line of computers.i > 
 > > - OpenVMSoG >    The best OS in the world, bar none.  Runs on VAX, Alpha, and Intela >    IA64 lines of computers.l >  > > - Tru64.H >    Current name from the history:  OSF/1, Digital UNIX, Tru64 UNIX, of, >    the UNIX OS running on Alpha computers. >  > > - AlphacH >    64 bit RISC computer line created by DEC.  For most of it's history= >    Alpha has been the fastest chip on the planet, bar none.c   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 07:20:04 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t Subject: Re: Newbye quetioni3 Message-ID: <g+V22Aan9gPT@eisner.encompasserve.org>o   In article <c2f95fd0.0404290325.507956f7@posting.google.com>, jose_luis_fdez_diaz_news@yahoo.es (jose luis fernandez diaz) writes:H > so, is there actually any relation between OSF/Tru64 and OpenVms ?, or' > they are two OS completely different.k  D    They were both supported/sold by DEC, Compaq, HP.  You can get IPF    stacks on them based on the same code.  They both can run on Alpha.@    They both passed POSIX compatability tests at one time.  They*    have intentionally similar C compilers.  G    They are very much completely different OS.  OSF/1 -- Tru64 is UNIX,.    OpenVMS is not.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:18:31 -0400a# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n* Subject: Re: Oracle statement of direction, Message-ID: <c_mdne6K4qE7nQzdRVn-hw@igs.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:40903F55.C27ABEFC@teksavvy.com... > John Smith wrote:a > >y > >sK http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=574901> > >nK > > Posted by Sue. It's a Microsoft Word document. Old news to some, new toe > > others.r >@E > Perhaps I lost portions of that bloated word document, but I saw noa
 mention of( > RDB. Should I make something of this ?  H Nothing in particular. It's just something that ought to be filed in theJ back of one's mind - Oracle Corp. is probably the largest supplier of paidK RDBMS licences into the VMS community (Ingres, MySQL, Cache, and others arerI bit players (no pun intended)), so I thought it may be worth posting this. little seen document.@     From3 http://www.oracle.com/peoplesoft/Rdb_CaseStudyE.pdfm  F "Today, Oracle still supports more than 2,000 Rdb customers around the world....."r  A I suppose that in some circles 2,000 customers is a lot, and what.J relationship there is between the mythical 411,000 VMS systems in the wildE this represents. Without knowing the number of licenses each of thoseRJ customers represents there is no way of knowing what attrition rate a lost5 of several key VMS accounts to unix would mean to Rdb   K Do you think that 5% of the customers HP sells Proliant servers to would becJ better served by running a VMS server instead? If so, that would representF an annual sales increase in VMS systems of somewhere between 20-50,000L units, sales which would be more profitable to HP in the long run. Just foodC for thought. That would buy a lot of extra beer & pizza for the VMSh  engineering team. But I digress.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:52:59 -0400o, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>* Subject: Re: Oracle statement of direction, Message-ID: <40912554$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  F actually there are more that one 'statement of directions' this is the 'oracle' one not the Rdb one.rJ mostly to keep the document from getting too big and confusing and keeping on 1 or 2 pages.  $ I'm trying to get all of them posted   -warren   . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:c_mdne6K4qE7nQzdRVn-hw@igs.net... >i< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:40903F55.C27ABEFC@teksavvy.com... > > John Smith wrote:i > > >i > > >i > K http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=574901o > > >rJ > > > Posted by Sue. It's a Microsoft Word document. Old news to some, new to
 > > > others.l > >nG > > Perhaps I lost portions of that bloated word document, but I saw no- > mention of* > > RDB. Should I make something of this ? >oJ > Nothing in particular. It's just something that ought to be filed in theL > back of one's mind - Oracle Corp. is probably the largest supplier of paidI > RDBMS licences into the VMS community (Ingres, MySQL, Cache, and others  areEK > bit players (no pun intended)), so I thought it may be worth posting thise > little seen document.  >e >e > From5 > http://www.oracle.com/peoplesoft/Rdb_CaseStudyE.pdfg >pH > "Today, Oracle still supports more than 2,000 Rdb customers around the
 > world....."  >bC > I suppose that in some circles 2,000 customers is a lot, and whateL > relationship there is between the mythical 411,000 VMS systems in the wildG > this represents. Without knowing the number of licenses each of thoseeL > customers represents there is no way of knowing what attrition rate a lost7 > of several key VMS accounts to unix would mean to Rdbo >sJ > Do you think that 5% of the customers HP sells Proliant servers to would beL > better served by running a VMS server instead? If so, that would representH > an annual sales increase in VMS systems of somewhere between 20-50,000I > units, sales which would be more profitable to HP in the long run. Justo foodE > for thought. That would buy a lot of extra beer & pizza for the VMSs" > engineering team. But I digress. >t >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:48:35 +0100r* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>/ Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HPn' Message-ID: <c6qq5b$a9v$1@lore.csc.com>    JF Mezei wrote:e >  > Nic Clews wrote: ... M > That isn't exactly what I had been told.  The bank I worked for had a groupiK > dedicated full time to "balancing" the processes and their backups on ther* > tandem (I think they had 16 processors). ... M > My *impression* (based only on this newsgroup) and that the people buildingsN > hardware on which VMS will run are totally separate from the people who willI > be building the tandem hardware, and there there is very little synergyo! > between  VMS and NSK engineers.o  D Well you've hit the nail on the head. In the same way you can have aH crap OpenVMS configuration, if you're to make the best use of facilitiesA offered to an operating system for the application, it needs some  planning and implementation.  E The philosophy of NSK and VMS is different. Personally I believe that H VMS is more versatile, but to achieve some of the clever things that NSK has, you need to work it in.  F Now, we're all sat around arguing the performance numbers and sales ofF Itanium, but I think folks are losing sight of the fact it is a serverH architecture which has been designed to deliver what the NSK folks need,C and similarly it offers features which may have arrived in EV8 or aBE "robust" version of the EV9, but we get them anyway under VMS becauser Itanium is a target platform.a  H e.g., take the DS25, nice system, but a tad difficult to work with powerE supply redundancy. OK so you don't have to justify why you chose thatoD over an ES47, but come the revolution, and we're using Itaniums, the! demarcation will be less evident.   > Back to the main points though. Where the operating system hasB visibility, and control over the hardware and server architecture,E you've the opportunity for applications to benefit, and the operatingwH system to provide better levels of service. NSK has a head start on VMS.  4 %%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 29-APR-2005 06:01:27.41 %%%%%%%%%%%$ Power supply status fault for NTDVC5G Event: PSU0 Fan 1 failure, high temperature, power supply shutting downc in 5 minutes% Current power capacity available: 15%l  C Ah, time for a hot swap, but if it got worse, hey, and applicationsmH could decide to 'fail over' to another node (or lose their dependency onD this node which seems to be in trouble). We could start a controlled2 (but enforced) shutdown before the plug is pulled.  D Back to the good old days of VAXSIM when you didn't have to wait forG your system to collapse in a pile of smoke, you keep the service going.h   -- m? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesa nclews at csc dot com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:31:24 +0100tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> / Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HPt0 Message-ID: <c6qsjj$q05$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote: F >>Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message >  > H >>>Interesting we have sucessfully replaced a Tandem system doing creditF >>>authorisation with the same software platform being used by ANZ but" >>>running on Solaris not Windows. >  > G > Are you saying that the target software ANZ tried to move to was alsoF > available on Unix ?lB > Or just that an equivalent but different package was available ? >   ? Yes its available on a number of platforms, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX 5 Windows and Windows running on FT hardware (Stratus).o    O > The more examples of a package running well under a real OS and failing under O > Windows, the more ammunition we can bring to potential customers or employers W > to convince them that moving to Windows from a real OS is not worth the money/effort.l >  >   E Well that would depend on why the project failed, I am no Windows fanhB but the causes of failure may be unrelated to the platform. As you@ know projects can fail for a host of reasons from scope creap to platform issues.   Regardsn Andrew Harrisoni   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:34:40 +0100oO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>a/ Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HPo0 Message-ID: <c6qspj$q1h$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:ts > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c6nuot$oc1$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...a >  >>JF Mezei wrote:e >> >>4 >>>http://news.com.com/2100-7355-5201041.html?tag=nl >>>uL >>>It is about ANZ bank's effort to limit on-line fraud. When will these CIOQ >>>idiots learn that Windows just doesn't cut it for serious stuff ?  $30 milliongZ >>>dollars (AUD) wasted because some CIO decided to move to Windows.  Relevant paragraphs: >>>s >>>##tM >>>One high-profile ANZ tech initiative, the Next Generation Switching/Tandem P >>>replacement project, has already fallen foul of the merger. The banking groupK >>>said it had written off $14.7 million (20 million Australian dollars) inoL >>>capitalized software in the six-month period on the project "as it becameQ >>>apparent that expected benefits would not materialize." That amount was on top 7 >>>of $7.4 million provided in the previous half year.   >>>M >>G >>Interesting we have sucessfully replaced a Tandem system doing credittE >>authorisation with the same software platform being used by ANZ butn! >>running on Solaris not Windows.l >  >  > We are very impressed Andrew.r > * > The phrase "talk about being conceited.", > seems to fit here for an embarrassing man. > , > I hope this is not typical for Sun people. >     5 I was simply pointing out that the application itselfe5 seems to work perfectly OK, all be it with the caveatn6 that the same app can run  fine in one environment and fail in another.  < If you think that is conceit then thats I would suggest that( you attempt to get a better perspective.   Regards  Andrew Harrisonc > /David   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Apr 2004 10:17:07 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)0 Subject: Pathworks for Macintosh & Printing (II)0 Message-ID: <c6qkn3$p96$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hello,  N you may remember my posting about Pathworks for Macintosh and Panther. SomehowJ Panther broke the printing feature. Now when we wanted to investigate thisN further we noticed that things are working again. I don't know what caused theO change. Therefore I would like to ask you whether you are able to confirm this.e> It might be that some Apple software update cured the problem.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannh   -- sE  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452.  ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot dem  D-79011  Freiburg, Germanyp9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmlh   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:06:20 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>4 Subject: Re: Pathworks for Macintosh & Printing (II)5 Message-ID: <290420041045185372%paul.anderson@hp.com>p  C In article <c6qkn3$p96$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Christoph Gartmannu* <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote:  ? > you may remember my posting about Pathworks for Macintosh andhB > Panther. Somehow Panther broke the printing feature. Now when weG > wanted to investigate this further we noticed that things are workingeG > again. I don't know what caused the change. Therefore I would like tohE > ask you whether you are able to confirm this. It might be that some.* > Apple software update cured the problem.  
 I still get af  <    %MSAP-E-PAPCONN, connection gone status 65446498 on ref 1  C error message with Mac OS X 10.3.3 when printing to a PATHWORKS for " OpenVMS (Macintosh) printer share.   Paul   -- y  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringw   Hewlett-Packard Companyo   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2004 23:49:24 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)a  Subject: Re: strange disk status= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0404282249.1afb686e@posting.google.com>e  = I have seen the %MOUNT-F-DEVBUSYINVMOS error too, in the sametF situation as what Phillip describes: A node in the cluster reboots and5 an other node has the DSA device in MntVerifyTimeout.   = The only solution I found was a reboot of the entire cluster.y   Not much help, I am afraid!l  	 Bart Zorno  d brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote in message news:<7IrvKYihR57D@cuebid.zko.dec.com>...4 > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:K > > After the crash and reboot of ELIJAH (see my previous post), typing "B"iD > > at the console prompt brought the machine up normally, with one J > > exception involving a shadow set (temporarily with only one member).   > > The mount failed with  > > ? > >    %MOUNT-F-DEVBUSYINVMOS, $DSA in-set value block is emptyi > 2 > What was the exact mount command used on ELIJAH? > What version of VMS?   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:32:42 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)L  Subject: Re: strange disk status( Message-ID: <c6rana$apf$1@pcls4.std.com>  G Does it work if you do a $ DISMOUNT/ABORT DSA530: on the two nodes thats? have it in MVTIMEOUT?  How about if you mount it on them first?C     -- C -Miken   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 00:09:19 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)fK Subject: Re: SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicalsa= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0404282309.3e9176b0@posting.google.com>   : Unfortunately, there are a lot of those. To mention a few:  8 TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS (not all components, though)   Pathworks and Advanced Server   B DCPS (Paul Anderson has announced that V2.4 will be able to use CW
 logicals!)  A SYSMAN (Sic!) The logical name STARTUP$STARTUP_LAYERED must be ina LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE..   There are more of those! a  D A way to find out if an image can use CW logicals is to use the unixE strings utility (sorry, I don't know where I found it) and search the.; output for LNM$SYSTEM. If you find one or more instances ofsF LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE, there is a good chance the the image ignores logical names in LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE.   Regards,  	 Bart Zornm        | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<c6oulg$qea$1@online.de>...> > In article <a98cd882.0404280342.cfdee34@posting.google.com>,* > Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes:  > J > > You can use cluster-wide logical names everywhere the translation usesJ > > LNM$SYSTEM and not LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE as argument to $TRNLNM. ComponentsI > > like RMS, F$PARSE, F$SEARCH etc. correctly use LNM$SYSTEM. This means E > > that generally you do not have to expect problems when you defineo > > SYS$SCRATCH cluster-wide.l > D > Right!  I'm just wondering if there are any applications which use. > LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE which I should worry about.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 01:01:41 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)tK Subject: Re: SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicalsl= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0404282308.7ea4edff@posting.google.com>m  : Unfortunately, there are a lot of those. To mention a few:  8 TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS (not all components, though)   Pathworks and Advanced Serverf  B DCPS (Paul Anderson has announced that V2.4 will be able to use CW
 logicals!)  A SYSMAN (Sic!) The logical name STARTUP$STARTUP_LAYERED must be inc LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE.4   There are more of those! d  D A way to find out if an image can use CW logicals is to use the unixE strings utility (sorry, I don't know where I found it) and search thed; output for LNM$SYSTEM. If you find one or more instances ofcF LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE, there is a good chance the the image ignores logical names in LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE.   Regards,  	 Bart Zornn    | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<c6oulg$qea$1@online.de>...> > In article <a98cd882.0404280342.cfdee34@posting.google.com>,* > Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes:  > J > > You can use cluster-wide logical names everywhere the translation usesJ > > LNM$SYSTEM and not LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE as argument to $TRNLNM. ComponentsI > > like RMS, F$PARSE, F$SEARCH etc. correctly use LNM$SYSTEM. This means.E > > that generally you do not have to expect problems when you define  > > SYS$SCRATCH cluster-wide.e > D > Right!  I'm just wondering if there are any applications which use. > LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE which I should worry about.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:45:27 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>K Subject: Re: SYS$SCRATCH, logicals pointing to disks, cluster-wide logicalsP8 Message-ID: <ol8290tfnvhnetufk96gfannfu79juegr4@4ax.com>  I On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:00:46 +0000 (UTC), helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de_1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:A  ? >In article <n2mt80dkaeq5rvrj0fq69cq3brio73abif@4ax.com>, jlsueN$ ><jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:  >nH >> >Could this create any problems?  Many applications use SYS$SCRATCH; F >> >suppose it points to a directory on a disk whose name is itself a K >> >logical---could there be an implicit assumption to honour this only if l" >> >it is in the SYSTEM directory? >> i= >> The DISK$SCRATCH logical doesn't have any special meaning.  >nC >True, but SYS$SCRATCH does.  If I go forward as planned, it would -H >translate to a cluster-wide logical name.  I'm wondering if this is OK. >0> >> Where do you define SYS$SCRATCH to point to DISK$SCRATCH?   >o >In SYS$SYLOGIN. >u >> Why not justo, >> modify it there to point to the new disk? >g! >Because the new disk can change.u  J Right.  That's why I, as the system manager, would define a system logicalJ for <nodename>_SCRATCH (as an example).  Then in the SYS$SYLOGIN procedure9 I'd re-define SYS$SCRATCH to point to <nodename>_SCRATCH.d  K If things change, I only have to make ONE change, and immediately all users  begin using the new location.y     --- jlsu0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:29:00 -0400r# From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>t* Subject: Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists+ Message-ID: <40911F3C.9CD0C39E@adldata.com>,   JF Mezei wrote:e >  > TCPIP Services 5.3 (VAX VMS) > O > The documentation talks very vaguely about distribution lists being stored insN > the TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON directory (defaults to [sys0.tcpip$smtp] where the log) > files and smtp.config files are stored)H > N > However, I have found no details on wxactly how those distribution lists areJ > used, what restrictions on usage, and wether they should contain vmsmail$ > adresses or internet adresses etc. > B > Does anyone have any details/experiences on this functionality ?   It is not part of SMTP.w6 Look in the VMS MAIL chapters in the VMS users manual.  C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/72final/6489/6489pro_010.html#exch_23 * section 6.2.4 Creating a Distribution List   regards  sol gongola  adl data systems inc.e dobbs ferry  ny 10977l   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Apr 2004 09:45:48 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: telnet in batch0 Message-ID: <c6qisc$p96$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  d In article <c6o81q$q64$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>, "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> writes: >Hi, >aH >I am obviously unable to perform telnet from a command procedure/batch.* >What I want to do in the com procedure is. >- connect by telnet to a host with user/passw >- run a command >- exitl  N We do this regularly to maintain routers, switches and the like. The way to go$ is C-Kermit plus an .INI file, e.g.:   SET MACRO ECHO OFF SET INPUT ECHO OFF SET QUIET ON ;  ASSIGN \%a \&@[2]g+ IF < \v(args) 3 ASKQ \%a {Enter Password: }A ;m DEFINE error -    SET EXIT WARNING OFF, -    OUTPUT {\025}, -     PAUSE 10, -)    ECHO {\013\010Fehler: \%1!\013\010}, -e    EXIT \%1  ;j
 SET FLOW NONEu ; Ctrl-C = 3, Ctrl-R = 18o SET ESCAPE-CHARACTER 3  SET INPUT TIMEOUT-ACTION PROCEED SET INPUT CASE OBSERVE SET TELNET TERMINAL-TYPE vt220 SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8, SET HOST mpi3.immunbio.mpg.dem INPUT 5 {Username: } IF FAILURE error 10: OUTPUT {gartmann\013}e INPUT 5 {Password: } IF FAILURE error 11R OUTPUT \%a\013
 INPUT 10 {$ }e IF FAILURE error 12rO OUTPUT {\1552J\1551;1H}                                          ; clear screent INPUT 5 {$ } IF FAILURE error 121 OUTPUT {@some_dcl_file\013}t ...  OUTPUT {logout\013}e INPUT 5 {logged out at}s OUTPUT {\014q} HANGUP ;s EXIT   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452p  ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germanya9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:34:46 -0400i From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: telnet in batchQ Message-ID: <OFEF7BBE68.03E09899-ON85256E85.00556694-85256E85.0055A437@metso.com>.  F When I try to access ftp://kermit.columbia.edu with anonymous login or click the appropriateM: download from the decvms binaries I am not allowed access. What will fix that?@  A Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote on 04/28/2004 11:45:09 AM:t  B > On 2004-04-28, Dr. Otto Titze <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:F > : as I just checked, rsh is not available on the remote node. It areI > : HP2524 switches. (The purpose of the whole effort ist, that I want to I > : read out the MAC-addresses on the different ports of some switches on  an( > : regular basis for security reasons). > :e% > As suggested earlier, use C-Kermit:e >l/ >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.htmla >tF > It is (among other things) a Telnet client with a built-in scriptingD > language.  It works with UCX, MultiNet, TCPware, etc, and with any version A > of VMS back to about 4.7, on any hardware, VAX, Alpha, or IA64:e >O; >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html#decvms5 >4; > You can find a scripting tutorial and many examples here:n >.1 >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html> >i	 > - Franka   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Apr 2004 16:33:36 GMT& From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> Subject: Re: telnet in batch7 Message-ID: <slrnc92bj0.4nt.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu>l  E On 2004-04-29, norm.raphael@metso.com <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote:: : H : When I try to access ftp://kermit.columbia.edu with anonymous login or : click the appropriatee< : download from the decvms binaries I am not allowed access. : What will fix that?a :iC You are probably behind a firewall that's blocking ftp connections.uD The Kermit ftp site has been serving Kermit software to the InternetC (and before that, the ARPANET) for 20 years, but everything is more:E complicated now, what with firewalls, NATs, VPNs, and whatnot.  I can - assure you that the ftp site works just fine.   > The first place you might want to look is in your PC's network= configuration.  Do you have some kind of "personal firewall"?a   - Franku   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 06:39:05 -0700/ From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell)i+ Subject: Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotast= Message-ID: <79de9693.0404290539.2b94f3d9@posting.google.com>   I > I've looked over the FAQ for Java on OpenVMS Alpha and I don't see any  H > recommendations regarding how to properly estimate the process quotas N > [bytlim, pgflquo & fillm in particular] that need to be set for the account  > that runs the Tomcat server. c  B This really depends on what you are trying to do; i.e., if you areB going to use sub-processes to do work then you might have to raise quotas.   F You'll potentially find mis-leading results if you try testing; we hadD a situation where TOMCAT was running out of pagefile space; the realC answer though was that it was running short of process channels, so,$ raising CHANNELCNT was the solution.  @ We've found for our environment essentially doubling the default APACHE$WWW quotas works well.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:49:30 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>+ Subject: Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotas4: Message-ID: <Zx8kc.56954$Uz1.40146@bignews3.bellsouth.net>   labadie wrote:   > Chuck Chopp a crit :g > J >> I've looked over the FAQ for Java on OpenVMS Alpha and I don't see any I >> recommendations regarding how to properly estimate the process quotas sG >> [bytlim, pgflquo & fillm in particular] that need to be set for the o( >> account that runs the Tomcat server.  >  > get pquota on the freeware7 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/pquota/n
 > and issue a  >  > $ pquota 'pide > you should see what is wrong  I OK, for ongoing monitoring of a running process that is a bit more slick a. than just doing a show proc/id=xxxxxxxx/quota.     -- m Chuck Choppt  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:57:02 -0400t* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>+ Subject: Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotase: Message-ID: <9D8kc.38918$oN1.26588@bignews5.bellsouth.net>   Ken Randell wrote:  I >>I've looked over the FAQ for Java on OpenVMS Alpha and I don't see any hH >>recommendations regarding how to properly estimate the process quotas N >>[bytlim, pgflquo & fillm in particular] that need to be set for the account  >>that runs the Tomcat server. i >  > D > This really depends on what you are trying to do; i.e., if you areD > going to use sub-processes to do work then you might have to raise	 > quotas.g > H > You'll potentially find mis-leading results if you try testing; we hadF > a situation where TOMCAT was running out of pagefile space; the realE > answer though was that it was running short of process channels, so0& > raising CHANNELCNT was the solution. > B > We've found for our environment essentially doubling the default > APACHE$WWW quotas works well.e    H I've figured I need to have FILLM [and corresponding CHANNELCNT] values F increased by 1 for every single Java class file that is imported by a L servlet and by 1 for every single .JSP file that will be open concurrently. K   The BYTLM and PGFLQUO seem to be harder to anticipate and I've just been sH doubling those quota values until I no longer see them being completely 0 exhausted by the process that is running Tomcat.  C It has been quite a number of years since I had to do this sort of  G performance monitoring/tuning & resource usage troubleshooting.  It is o slowly coming back to me.   H In this particular case, I think that the demo servlet I'm working with D might be damaged in some way.  The other samples that came with the K CSWS_JAVA [Tomcat] installation are working fine, but they are really very  J simple demos and don't do very much at all.  This particular one that I'm K using comes from the companion web site for a book on Struts & Tomcat, and nH it exercises a lot more of the features & functionality of Tomcat.  I'm K going to try deploying it to some Tomcat installations on other platforms, sM too, to see if this misbehavior is common to the servlet in general or if it d6 is specific to having the servlet deployed on OpenVMS.     -- u Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:32:57 +0100iO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>o5 Subject: Re: [OT] An interesting view of Linux's cost 0 Message-ID: <c6r06s$ra6$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Paul Sture wrote:  > Andrew Harrison wrote: >  >> Hans Vlems wrote: >> >  > <about problems with RedHat> > = >>> "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> schreef in bericht. >> >> >  > <about problems with SuSE> >  >>F >> Strange, I am running JDS (based on SuSE enterprise Desktop) on twoD >> PC's a Dell Lattitude and a Evesham box. In both cases I have hadC >> no issues at all with either sound or graphics though I did needo2 >> to download the NVIDIA drivers for the Evesham. >>E >> The Evesham is less than a year old so its relatively new the DellA >> is older. >>D >> Both the systems NIC's also work as do USB FireWire etc. The onlyC >> thing that doesn't work currently is the Dells Winmodem which issA >> unlikely to be fixed and I cannot change the resolution of the A >> Dells display using the hot keys which is a feature of the ATI  >> driver for xFree. >>@ >> Everything else works remarkably well, DVD reader, CD writer,& >> USB flash cards, Palm USB sync etc. >> > 	 > Andrew,6 > + > What do you have to say on the article at4 > + > http://www.linuxworld.com/story/44624.htmu > C > 'Linux Viewpoint: Sun Shows Its True Colors, Says Groklaw's "PJ"'a > I > They certainly don't sound happy about Java Desktop, or Sun's attitude e > to the GPL community.2 > 1 > It's currently being discussed on Slashdot BTW.e >     : I would suggest that you read the responses to the article8 from Linux users, you will find that the majority of the9 posters thought that the article was totally misdirected.e  = Their responses are rather better than anything I can provideu= since they come from people who are not affiliated to Sun ando; therefore avoid the you would say that wouldn't you despites being factually correct.  : The best response came from a Linux user pointing out that> at the last count 11% of the RedHat distribution was developed? by Sun the second highest code count behind FSF and rather more4= than RedHat themselves who come out smelling of roses in PJ'ss article.   Actions!=words.:   Regardst Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.237 ************************