1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 30 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 238       Contents: Re: ADA shared library, newbie7 ANN: HG FILESERV updates CMPDIR, LWW-USERINFO, VIEWFILE  Re: Asdk the Wizard ? # Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other # Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other 2 Re: Dump existing license key info before rebuild?2 Re: Dump existing license key info before rebuild?3 Re: file directory sorted by modification date/time > Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... Re: HP OpenVMS Re: J F screws up again  Re: J F screws up again  Re: J F screws up again 4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...  Re: New to Tru64 need assistance Re: Newbye quetion Re: Newbye quetion OpenVMS DDL & Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP& Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP+ Re: Pathworks for Macintosh & Printing (II) + Re: Pathworks for Macintosh & Printing (II)  Re: strange disk status ' System organization preference question + Re: System organization preference question + Re: System organization preference question " RE: Tomcat / Java / process quotas  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 17:55:27 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: ADA shared library, newbie 3 Message-ID: <xEVaARfjpUGv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <bfd5f3ca.0404290933.7ea5e6f1@posting.google.com>, ethiobite@yahoo.com (sebastien) writes:  > Hello, > # > I'm trying to compile some simple ) > examples with DEC ADA on a vms station.  >  > test_stack   ... Main test  > shared_stack ... Body and spec > ) > I would like to build a shareable image ' > using the acs utility and I have the  , > message Unit MYLIB not found in directory.  1 ACS will not construct shareable images directly.   D What I do is use ACS LINK /OUTPUT= to create a command procedure forC linking and then modify that command procedure to change the result A to a shareable image.  Of course this takes full understanding of " the VMS Linker command qualifiers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:35:41 -0500 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> @ Subject: ANN: HG FILESERV updates CMPDIR, LWW-USERINFO, VIEWFILE9 Message-ID: <WZhkc.40395$oN1.5285@bignews5.bellsouth.net>   F Hello!  Thanks to Lyle W. West, the following packages have been added+ to and updated in my VMS freeware archives:       - CMPDIR (New)   >      CMPDIR compares two directories in a style similar to theE      side-by-side display of DCL DIFFERENCES.  This format provides a H      quick visual depiction of version discrepencies between dirctories.C      Qualifiers are available to highlite date and size differences F      between the two directories. If CMPDIR detects the image is beingB      executed on a DECterm, date and size differences are shown in?      colors, else they are shown in bold font. There is also an !      /OUTPUT qualifier available.       - LWW-USERINFO (Updated)   4      USERINFO displays user information from SYSUAF.      - ViewFile (Updated)   F      ViewFile is a Motif based file viewer. Unlike many file browsers,D      ViewFile is more than just a text window, a file selection box,7      and a Menu Bar loaded with cute but useless items.   F      Rather, ViewFile is more like a web browser, specifcally NetscapeD      V3 for VMS. Significant effort went into making ViewFile have aC      natural look and feel for frequent users of Motif based tools.   E Thanks to Lyle for the contributions!  The packages can be downloaded F via anonymous FTP from FTP.PROCESS.COM in [.VMS-FREEWARE.FILESERV], or; you can visit the Process Software OpenVMS Resource Center:    http://www.process.com/openvms/   @ The packages will show up on the mirror sites within the next 24 hours.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:59:07 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: Asdk the Wizard ?/ Message-ID: <LUekc.674$zf4.28@news.cpqcorp.net>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEIADCAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: < :When a FAQ says to read discussions referenced by numbers, < :how do you access those?  Certainly would nice if they were :links.   $   Yes, it certainly would be nice.    A   Some folks still don't have operating systems with mouse-based  (   cut-and-paste support, after all.  :-)  1   BTW, as for the FAQ, are you volunteering?  :-)   J   Pending implementation of ultra-mega-hyperlink web technology or my nextI   delivery of copious spare time, I'm simply not planning to add a large  F   volume of (new) URLs into the FAQ.  If I can manage to add hyperlinkG   hrefs into the SDML without greatly increasing the maintenance effort I   and particularly without increasing the risk of output-specific errors, H   I'll certainly add that -- but I do not seek to maintain parallel setsJ   of output-specific URLs within the FAQ SDML source files in the process.  I   If y'all really want to sign up to maintain the FAQ, well, we can quite G   certainly discuss that off-line.  A phrase I recall from my childhood %   comes to mind in this context, too:   8     "The first complainer is the next meal's cook."  :-)  I   As for the Ask The Wizard (ATW) area (www.hp.com/go/openvms/wizard) and I   as for finding entry numbers, there was some effort to try to make this G   somewhat easier, within existing URL static-vs-volatile URL reference F   constraints and within available time.  In particular, you will findH   the following text -- well, there is a correction for a spelling errorG   shown here, with the correction itself in progress at the site -- at  F   the ATW web page, and the subsequent section of text shown below was)   extracted from the FAQ.  Do these help?   5   Suggestions and corrections are welcome, as always.      -- ATW --   1 Goto Specific OpenVMS Ask The Wizard Entry Number   2 	Enter specific Ask the Wizard entry number: [box]   O Topic citations here refer to the unique and parenthesized number assigned each J question, and specific topic citations can be found using the parethesizedN value in the topic listings, using the [wizard zip archive ~6MB], by using theH search engines, or by using the citation number embedded in each topic's
 specific URL.   # Commonly-referenced topics include:   <     * (1020) general IP printing, and HP printer blank pagesU     * (1661) memory management, application synchronization, and common coding errors :     * (6776) resolving the access violation (ACCVIO) error+     * (7552) general application debugging         -- FAQ --   D           3.9  What is this Ask The Wizard website I've heard about?  D                    The HP OpenVMS Ask The Wizard (ATW) website is anF                    informal area containing questions and answers on a*                    wide variety of topics.  :                    o  http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/wizard/  D                    For additional information on the OpenVMS Ask TheG                    Wizard (ATW) area and for a pointer to the available B                    ATW Wizard.zip archive, please see Section 3.9.  I                    To access a cited topic directly, use the URL filename J                    WIZ_topic-number.HTML. For example, topic (1020) can beI                    accessed directly using the URL filename wiz_1020.html (                    at the following URL:  :                    o  http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/wizard/  I                    A zip archive (named wizard.zip) containing all of the H                    available topics and questions can be downloaded fromJ                    the above URL. The wizard.zip zip archive is completelyH                    regenerated when new batches of topics are posted out&                    to the ATW website.  B                    Before posting a question to the Ask The WizardG                    area, please read and please heed the posting rules- C                    and please remember to search this document, the H                    OpenVMS FAQ. And if you have a question that requiresC                    an answer, or if your question has time-critical F                    constraints or business constraints, please contact;                    the HP customer support center directly.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:03:34 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, Subject: Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other4 Message-ID: <4091A5E6.CF3693@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  
 rfc wrote: > [snip]F > Those old days were certainly fun... before they let the chimpanzees > loose on the net *sigh*    Pass the 'nanners, will ya?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Apr 2004 03:27:37 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com , Subject: Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other+ Message-ID: <c6sh3905eg@enews2.newsguy.com>    rfc <rfc2000@usa.net> wrote:H > Also, I was the originator of the MicroVAX FAQ - would anybody like toH > see its resurrection? I am more than willing to update it and place itH > on the web (I must have been odd back in '94/'95 with a MicroVAX-II as > my "PC" in the college dorm!)   I I'd love to see it updated, I've found it very useful over the years.  My 4 favorite part being the relative performance page.    M I started out on running VMS on a MicroVAX II, though these days it houses a  & PDP-11/73, and I use an Alpha for VMS.   		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 12:41:18 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb); Subject: Re: Dump existing license key info before rebuild? = Message-ID: <bf98c417.0404291141.35df680a@posting.google.com>   K Z <z@no.spam> wrote in message news:<1090k2ban603ma6@corp.supernews.com>... 8 > I have a rather old Alpha that needs to rebuild badly. > ; > Is it possible to dump the currently loaded license info, = > rebuild the system disk from the VMS CD and then reload the  > dumped license information?  > = > Or do I have to track down the original License PAKs (major   > job ... maybe even impossible) > = > The SCSNODE name and SCSID number will be changing with the ' > rebuild, if this makes any diffeence.   / I went and found something I wrote a while ago.   ( Assuming your Alpha has a floppy drive, E Initialize a floppy and copy this procedure to the MFD of the floppy.   F Run it and it will create a directory on the floppy that is named for  the system's SCSNODE.   % It will populate this directory with  N 1) a text file containing a brief listing of all licenses on that system,  andL 2) a text file for each license containing that license's detail information   $!/ $! Procedure to extract license information and  $! write it to diskette (DVA0:)  $! $ TADA   = "FALSE" $ NOD_NM = f$getsyi("NODENAME") 3 $ FIL_NM = "DVA0:[''NOD_NM']''NOD_NM'_LICENSES.TXT"  $! $ create/dir DVA0:['NOD_NM']   $!  $ define/user sys$output &FIL_NM $ license list/brief * $! $ open/read F1 &FIL_NM $! $ LP:  $! $  read/err=ENDE F1 REC18 $  if f$extract(0,3,REC1) .eqs. "---" then TADA = "TRUE" $! $  if .not. TADA then goto LP  $! $ LP2: $! $  read/err=ENDE F1 REC1( $  REC1   = f$edit(REC1,"TRIM,COMPRESS")! $  LIC_NM = f$element(0," ",REC1) 9 $  license issue 'LIC_NM'/out=DVA0:['NOD_NM']'LIC_NM'.TXT  $  license enable 'LIC_NM' $!
 $ GOTO LP2 $! $ ENDE:  $! $ close/nolog F1 $ exit   HTH,   WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:19:43 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ; Subject: Re: Dump existing license key info before rebuild? 0 Message-ID: <10936sgg85pq58c@corp.supernews.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote:H > Makes no difference. Just save the LMF$LICENSE.LDB file - should be inH > the SYS$SYSTEM path, copy it to the rebuilt system disk and do LICENSE > LOAD (or reboot).  >   = I pulled LMF$LICENSE.LDB from my last image backup, put it in = the same directory as the empty one (from the new VMS instal- . lation), rebooted and everything came up fine.  
 So simple.  
 Thanks again.    ------------------------------   Date: 29 APR 2004 20:30:38 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> < Subject: Re: file directory sorted by modification date/time2 Message-ID: <29APR04.20303873@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  I In a previous article, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) wrote: C > What's the most efficient way to get a listing of files in a very / > large directory, sorted by modification time?  >   5 > Either a DCL or C solution is fine for my purposes.   K I have a Fortran solution called SDIR.  It was written by Arthur E. Ragosta G at NASA, apparently in 1995 or so.  I think Phillip Helbig posted it on L c.o.v on 2-MAY-2000 under the subject "RE: wish list: DIRECTORY limitation".G If you can handle Fortran you might Google for it.  Or, I can provide a ( zip file containing the source and .exe.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 12:58:59 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 3 Message-ID: <8hbz5sKRUh$x@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <r08290h8u48uusq6cd352cujkg4ad6jgpt@4ax.com>, jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:   J > Your running - in a non-priv'd account - any random code severely limitsH > the ability of that code to replicate and become more harmful, thereby > affecting the business.   D    Since I can't use the PC without admin privs, I'm not running the=    code in a non-priv'd account like I would be doing on VMS.    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Apr 2004 19:41:56 GMT. From: jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... : Message-ID: <20040429154156.17730.00000674@mb-m16.aol.com>  H >AFAIK some hacker did break ino OpenVMS, but the did not get any rightsF >to destroy or compromise the OS (other then Slowaris). No interest is1 >the wrong message. Low interest will be correct.   B There is a VMS hack faq.  Was updated fairly recently as I recall.  O Interesting reading.  I also went back and read several of the old textfiles on   VMS dating back to the eighties.  C It's obviously not targetted nearly as much as *nix at this point.  L Nevertheless it seems fundamentally more secure, much as Multics was.  Stack% protection, ACL's, logging and so on.   N I've heard there were some fairly simple exploits developed for Tru64, Unicos,D and Unixware.  They weren't targetted as much, and simple flaws were overlooked.    Michael    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Apr 2004 19:56:59 GMT. From: jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... : Message-ID: <20040429155659.17730.00000676@mb-m16.aol.com>  H >Independently of their defintions the virus companies tend to call any  >malware a virus.   O A traditional virus seems to be a code fragment that binds to an executable and M spreads.  I prefer to differentiate those from trojans, worms, network worms, M rootkits, macro viruses, etc.  A DCL "virus" would be more like a macro virus O like VBS or JS.  However, generally the macro viruses exploit a client weakness 3 in OE, IE, etc.  But it's all semantics in the end.   O Traditionally though, AV like NAV and AVG sucks with trojans compared to TDS 3. 6  So the AV vs AT software is an important distinction.  M It seems that whole classes of attack won't work on VMS that will on *nix and  windows.   Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:38:00 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... * Message-ID: <4091ADF8.60608@tsoft-inc.com>  \ > In article <c6nd82$1dqk$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: > - >><david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message % >>news:c6m2bb$nip$1@news.mdx.ac.uk...  >>L >>>Thirdly unless the account this is running from has privileges or the DCL >>>  >>has  >>M >>>found someway of illicitly obtaining privileges through a bug it will only D >>>infect other files owned by that user. It will not spread betweenJ >>>different users on the same computer system let alone between different' >>>computer systems across the network. K >>>In biological terms this would be equivalent to something which obtained  >>>  >>entry  >>I >>>to a cell and infected all parts of that cell but was not then able to  >>>  >>spread >>% >>>to other cells or to anybody else.  >>>Not much of a virus.  >>> 9 >>What exactly are your users using your VMS systems for?      Ok, one example.  Q Sporting goods distributor.  Applications include order processing and shipping,  P Accounts Receivable, General Ledger, Purchasing, and Accounts Payable.  Part of Q order processing is various automated methods of importing orders, EDI, and such.   L All users run in non-priviledged user accounts.  They do not have access to O source code, executables, DCL procedures, and such.  Data can only be accessed  P through the application programs.  Captive user accounts could be used, but the  need hasn't been there.   Q Exposure?  The entire company is on a single computer system.  Almost unheard of  P in this day of PCs.  Accounts Receivables in 8 digits.  Lose this and you don't F know who owes you money.  All accounting data.  Production of checks. N Inventory.  Customers.  A quite valuable commodity.  Basically the company is . betting it's existance on a single VMS system.  Q Without inside help, the system is rather secure.  Not as secure as it could be,  O but I doubt it could be hacked.  The system isn't running a web server, but it  O is accessable via the internet.  Probably would suffer from a DOS attack, but,  P the important and valuable data would still be there.  Compare this to a windoz  server running IIS.   P Reminds me a bit of an argument between an old A&P mechanic and someone pushing N a gasoline additive that was suppost to make the gasoline no more combustable N than diesel fuel.  Argument ended quite abruptly when the mechanic offered to P stand in a pan of diesel and drop a lit match while the salesman/whatever stood M in a pan of treated gasoline and did the same.  You can guess who refused to  K walk-the-walk.  About the same as those who figure windoz is 'good enough'.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:05:14 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <4091A64A.59483974@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  
 rfc wrote: > 1 > Doesn't have quite the same ring to it does it?  > F > Poor old VMS... shuffled around a few PC Box shifters... it deserved > better.... > G > Same goes for the Alpha.. heck... Digital were the best.. I'm sad for  > one   < Amazing how naturally those are spoken of in the past tense.  @ ...but then that's precisely why we preach of VMS marketing, no?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:58:58 GMT % From: "Brian G" <bgon@NOSPAMmail.com>   Subject: Re: J F screws up againH Message-ID: <CUekc.32098$huU.25517@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > We don't see him trolling in this group so STFU and GET OUT!!!  2 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message2 news:b7a6ee3817d487406a177c3fef4450a9@dizum.com...J > JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> trolling furiously, let his mask slip in+ > rec.travel.air and betrayed his identity:  >  > <snip> >  > You're cracking, JF......  >  > FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
 >    About
 > JF MEZEI >  > (Rev. Apr. 25, 2004) >  > 1.  Who is JF Mezei? > I > Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever hit L > rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also one of the+ > longest running trolls in usenet history.  > L > ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND E-MAILD > ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS THEIR MESSAGES.*** > K > If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor the C > control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your 	 messages, L > forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and usenet@news.wplus.net . > $ > 2.  How long has he been trolling? >  > For well over a decade.  >  > 3.  Where does he live?  >  > Montreal, Quebec, Canada >  > Jean-Francois Mezei  > 86 Harwood Gate  > Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  > (514) 695-8259 > 4 > His current e-mail address is jfmezei@teksavvy.com > , > 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll? > J > His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades yourL > newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, day in and day out,K > every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He does not listen to  pleas K > to stop, he does not listen to anything anyone tells him, he does not pay L > attention when the misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he justJ > goes right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his earsI > closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"  >  > 5.  What does he troll about?  > H > His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  He	 hates the A > USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn it into a  USA-bashing E > fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start making lewd posts.  > & > 6.  What does he hate about the USA? > I > Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have a  visceralE > hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a happier,  better, moreL > successful version of their country and they can't stand it.  Some of JF'sH > favorite troll bait is "the Bush regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of L > evil", "Americans are brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all > Americans are stupid" etc. > % > 7.  What about his sexual trolling?  > G > Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre. 	 Among his K > favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women's genitalia, sex toys, F > circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of course) ... the list is endless. >  > 8.  Circumcision???  > K > Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes to  insertH > circumcision into his trolling every now and then.  Apparently, JF wasJ > traumatized as a child because his parents, poor Hungarian immigrants to Canada, J > left him uncircumcised when he was born, as is the custom in most of the world.J > Growing up in Canada where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, H > he was psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he arrangedF > to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades of circumcisionK > proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a free willy.  His  mainE > argument is how much better he was able to masturbate after getting  circumcised K > without that "pesky foreskin" getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he  has @ > made it his mission in life to spread the circumcision gospel. > J > 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky. > K > Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among the subjects  dearK > to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, especially little  boy's L > foreskins (and how tight they are) and little girls' hymens.  He is also aB > tireless activist and advocate that children should be taught to
 masturbateJ > early on so that they don't grow up "sexually repressed like Americans". > G > He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their  littleE > boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, proper 	 movement, L > and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.  Utopia for JF would be a@ > world full of parents manipulating their little boys' penises. > J > 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the minute! Are   > you sure about all this stuff? > F > Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a decade full  > of Mezei trolling in there.  > J > 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the time like > all trolls do? > D > Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling
 > aliases. > I > 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he work?  > G > Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a 	 grown man F > who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and trolls the
 newsgroupsJ > all night.  In his free time when he isn't trolling he likes to ride his bikeI > down to Dorval Airport and race the planes down the runway in his bike.  > ; > 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?  > J > Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he never got pastI > the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor (i.e. "pull my J > finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow. > K > 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about them,  is > that true? > I > Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in the locker  room. K > He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has seen in locker rooms  overJ > the years, especially his unnatural obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men G > in locker rooms trying to measure how much foreskin they have, or how 	 little is H > left if they have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a  > case of phimosis.  > I > 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane  asylum!  > K > Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin foil  hat H > world where others are out to get him.  The key to understanding JF is that he J > sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the world is out to get him, especially the + > USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.  > F > What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian rail
 system wasL > "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut, spotting trains,K > writing down their numbers and chasing them down at the train yard like a  goodK > freak.  Then he turned his attention to aviation.  Major events that made  him E > fall head first deep into the abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian  Airlines andE > their subsequent takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So  paranoid is E > he that when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada 	 employees I > went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to cover up  the Air F > Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of the crash3 > investigation.  He has never recovered from this.  > 8 > 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him! > H > His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient,L > arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously forI > decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts who  share L > his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore.  It's > really pathetic! > # > 17.  Where else does he hang out?  > K > can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computer I > groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded the C > sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled it  relentlesslyI > with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for.  But  they ranK > him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with his  tail' > between his legs, licking his wounds.  > K > 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn't  troll. > K > Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so he  slips @ > in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and, I > more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them so  they, > won't find out what a major netkook he is. > K > 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of  psycho > he is! > G > Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while 	 you're at K > it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido too.  And to 4 > alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet. > 6 > 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address? > J > Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to: > , > abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com > usenet@news.wplus.net  > 9 > You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.  >  > TekSavvy Solutions Inc.  > 330 Richmond St., Suite 205  > Chatham, ON, Canada 	 > N7M 1P7  > L > And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups, email it to H > people, you may host it at your own website, send it to newspapers and	 magazines K > that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.  >  >  > *** APPENDIX *** > I > List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over the years.  This is G > only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full  list.  >  > jfmezei@teksavvy.com > jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com > jfmezei@istop.com  > jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  > jfmezei@videotron.ca > jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  > nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca   > "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam] >  > nobody <nobody@nobody.com> > nobody <nobody@nobody.net> > nobody <nobody@nobody.org> > nobody <nobody@nobody.info>  > nobody <nobody@nobody.int> > nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  > nobody <nobody@null.dev>+ > Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com> ) > Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>  > muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> > Sheep skin <sheep@station.au> % > snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree> + > Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> ( > Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>& > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> $ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> $ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> * > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> ' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> # > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> % > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org> " > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org> ! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> & > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> # > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org> " > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>2' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> & > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>E( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>i' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>e( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>r) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>e* > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>u' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>s& > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>a* > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>o$ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>o( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>n+ > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>v) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>-$ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>e, > Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>* > Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>o, > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>m > Q <queue@continuum.net>s > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>, > Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>+ > John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>g > = > *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*n >f   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:22:38 +0800 : From: "Nik" <spamavoid.deletethis.mnjensen@netvigator.com>  Subject: Re: J F screws up again2 Message-ID: <c6s2nc$mt6136@imsp212.netvigator.com>  L One might only hope that you will go away - albeit this might well be a vainE hope as shit clings. In the competition of producing sheer irrelevant 4 nonsense noise on this NG you lead by a HUGE margin.   Niky  2 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message2 news:fc8ea9e914585c428a5fa87c893b29e7@dizum.com...$ > devil <devil@attglobal.net> wrote: >n6 > >On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:59:13 -0400, JF Mezei wrote: > >o > > snip > > G > >Eh, you are somebody (not "nobody") again?  Welcome back, I suppose.t >d1 > No need to welcome him back, he never left. <g>s > K > This happens because he is trolling across various groups so furiously itt getsJ > hard for him to keep his identities straight.  You should see the number ofJ > times he forgets to switch it back in the other groups.  There must be a name > for his illness. >  > FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
 >    About
 > JF MEZEI >  > (Rev. Apr. 25, 2004) >  > 1.  Who is JF Mezei? >.I > Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever hit L > rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also one of the+ > longest running trolls in usenet history.b >dL > ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND E-MAILD > ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS THEIR MESSAGES.*** >sK > If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor the C > control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your 	 messages,lL > forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and usenet@news.wplus.net . >e$ > 2.  How long has he been trolling? >l > For well over a decade.r >F > 3.  Where does he live?E >E > Montreal, Quebec, Canada >h > Jean-Francois MezeiV > 86 Harwood Gate  > Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3o > (514) 695-8259 >g4 > His current e-mail address is jfmezei@teksavvy.com >o, > 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll? >oJ > His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades yourL > newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, day in and day out,K > every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He does not listen to? pleasgK > to stop, he does not listen to anything anyone tells him, he does not payIL > attention when the misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he justJ > goes right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his earsI > closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"  >o > 5.  What does he troll about?n >yH > His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  He	 hates thehA > USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn it into al USA-bashingrE > fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start making lewd posts.i >y& > 6.  What does he hate about the USA? > I > Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have ae visceralE > hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a happier,o better, moreL > successful version of their country and they can't stand it.  Some of JF'sH > favorite troll bait is "the Bush regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis ofrL > evil", "Americans are brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all > Americans are stupid" etc. >i% > 7.  What about his sexual trolling?r >lG > Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre.f	 Among hisiK > favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women's genitalia, sex toys,(F > circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of course) ... the list is endless. >f > 8.  Circumcision???  > K > Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes tos insertH > circumcision into his trolling every now and then.  Apparently, JF wasJ > traumatized as a child because his parents, poor Hungarian immigrants to Canada,eJ > left him uncircumcised when he was born, as is the custom in most of the world.J > Growing up in Canada where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time,uH > he was psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he arrangedF > to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades of circumcisionK > proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a free willy.  Hiss mainE > argument is how much better he was able to masturbate after gettingn circumcisedaK > without that "pesky foreskin" getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he  hasi@ > made it his mission in life to spread the circumcision gospel. >aJ > 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky. >2K > Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among the subjectse dearK > to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, especially littleg boy'scL > foreskins (and how tight they are) and little girls' hymens.  He is also aB > tireless activist and advocate that children should be taught to
 masturbateJ > early on so that they don't grow up "sexually repressed like Americans". > G > He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their  littleE > boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, proper.	 movement,vL > and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.  Utopia for JF would be a@ > world full of parents manipulating their little boys' penises. >lJ > 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the minute! Are   > you sure about all this stuff? >rF > Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a decade fullt > of Mezei trolling in there.  > J > 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the time like > all trolls do? > D > Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling
 > aliases. >(I > 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he work?c >nG > Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a 	 grown manzF > who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and trolls the
 newsgroupsJ > all night.  In his free time when he isn't trolling he likes to ride his bikeI > down to Dorval Airport and race the planes down the runway in his bike.  >d; > 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?p >sJ > Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he never got pastI > the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor (i.e. "pull myqJ > finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow. >nK > 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about them,y is > that true? >-I > Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in the locker  room.nK > He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has seen in locker rooms- overJ > the years, especially his unnatural obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the menmG > in locker rooms trying to measure how much foreskin they have, or how-	 little is H > left if they have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots aA > case of phimosis.c >RI > 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insaneM asylum!e > K > Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin foilt hatcH > world where others are out to get him.  The key to understanding JF is that heiJ > sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the world is out to get him, especially the + > USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about./ >oF > What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian rail
 system wasL > "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut, spotting trains,K > writing down their numbers and chasing them down at the train yard like ah goodK > freak.  Then he turned his attention to aviation.  Major events that made  himrE > fall head first deep into the abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadiann Airlines andE > their subsequent takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  Soo paranoid isuE > he that when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canadae	 employeesaI > went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to cover upt the AirsF > Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of the crash3 > investigation.  He has never recovered from this.  >48 > 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him! >)H > His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient,L > arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously forI > decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts whoh sharesL > his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore.  It's > really pathetic! >y# > 17.  Where else does he hang out?l > K > can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computeriI > groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded theNC > sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled ith relentlesslyI > with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for.  Buty they ranK > him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with hiso tail' > between his legs, licking his wounds.i >tK > 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn'ta troll. >eK > Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so hea slipsm@ > in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and, I > more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them soe they, > won't find out what a major netkook he is. >yK > 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind ofr psycho > he is! >MG > Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while 	 you're at1K > it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido too.  And to 4 > alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet. >r6 > 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address? >SJ > Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to: >D, > abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com > usenet@news.wplus.netN > 9 > You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.- >- > TekSavvy Solutions Inc.  > 330 Richmond St., Suite 205  > Chatham, ON, Canada 	 > N7M 1P7: >mL > And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups, email it tonH > people, you may host it at your own website, send it to newspapers and	 magazinesEK > that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.m >s >n > *** APPENDIX *** >rI > List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over the years.t This is G > only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a fullo list.  >r > jfmezei@teksavvy.com > jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com > jfmezei@istop.com- > jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  > jfmezei@videotron.ca > jfmezei@vl.videotron.cal > nospam.jfmezei@videotron.cat  > "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam] >  > nobody <nobody@nobody.com> > nobody <nobody@nobody.net> > nobody <nobody@nobody.org> > nobody <nobody@nobody.info>w > nobody <nobody@nobody.int> > nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>i > nobody <nobody@null.dev>+ > Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com> ) > Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>u > muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> > Sheep skin <sheep@station.au>t% > snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree>r+ > Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>p( > Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>& > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>i > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>a$ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>D) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>-$ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>m) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>B* > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>e) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>4' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>< > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> # > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>a% > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>s" > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org> ! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>m& > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>t# > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org> " > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>r' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> & > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>r( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>e' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>e( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>e* > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>-) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>9' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>a& > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>p* > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> $ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> ( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> + > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>w) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>o$ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>i, > Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>* > Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> , > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>- > Q <queue@continuum.net>p > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>, > Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>+ > John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>h >f= > *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:09:49 -0500.@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  Subject: Re: J F screws up again6 Message-ID: <4091A75D.A0377A5C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Nomen Nescio wrote:t > [snip]  H ...but nobody (except him) gives a shit what he writes, since he (Nomen)G is now the #1 troll, having surpassed his accusations of JF by a margin + that surely must be a Guiness World Record.e   Total sicko.  % I agree with Brian G.: STFU and GTFO!    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 11:23:22 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...l= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404291023.5c9e74b0@posting.google.com>l   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c6qvei$r1b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > Bob Ceculski wrote:tu > > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c6nvmg$oli$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...t > > 5 > And Bob hot air=you, please remember you have nevere5 > managed to justify your security, performance, slow 4 > Solaris etc claims and that translates into a load
 > of hot air.o > 	 > Regardsu > Andrew Harrisonr  = oh but I have Andrew, I have ... and I see that justificationo. in the form of a bonus check every year ... :)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:08:16 GMTo% From: Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com>e) Subject: Re: New to Tru64 need assistanceeB Message-ID: <harris-CB6FF5.17471029042004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>  = In article <Yv8kc.71826$yv.2400741@twister.southeast.rr.com>,u8  "Kenneth Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> wrote:  L > http://www.Tru64.org : news info and links to everything related to Tru64.   Also, the news group e           comp.unix.tru64d    and the Tru64-UNIX-Managers List  1          http://www.ornl.gov/lists/mailing-lists/   2                                         Bob Harris   > Ken Farmer > Tru64.orgh >  > 7 > "Jazzy" <jackiefoster00@hotmail.com> wrote in message 9 > news:60953269.0404290545.20271758@posting.google.com...nE > > I have the following Questions for whoever is able to assist me!!a > >v> > > 1. I am new to tru64 and I am looking for someone that can@ > > train/tutor/transition me to the OS.  I have 8 years of unix > > experience with HP/Solaris.s > >dG > > 2. I am in the process of installing tru64 for home self  training, E > > can anyone recommend the best low end/afforable server.  Where tol
 > > purchase?a > > H > > 3.  Is there a monthly tru64 user group meeting held in Atlanta, GA?H > > If so what is the date/time/location/fee and how does one sign up to > > attend.- > > 
 > > Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:03:55 GMTa% From: Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com>- Subject: Re: Newbye quetion2B Message-ID: <harris-3A40B6.17424929042004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>  3 In article <g+V22Aan9gPT@eisner.encompasserve.org>,s=  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote::  @ > In article <c2f95fd0.0404290325.507956f7@posting.google.com>, F > jose_luis_fdez_diaz_news@yahoo.es (jose luis fernandez diaz) writes:J > > so, is there actually any relation between OSF/Tru64 and OpenVms ?, or) > > they are two OS completely different.h > F >    They were both supported/sold by DEC, Compaq, HP.  You can get IPH >    stacks on them based on the same code.  They both can run on Alpha.B >    They both passed POSIX compatability tests at one time.  They, >    have intentionally similar C compilers. > I >    They are very much completely different OS.  OSF/1 -- Tru64 is UNIX,  >    OpenVMS is not.  , The OpenVMS developers are on the 4th floor./ The Tru64 UNIX developers are on the 3rd floor.r7 They both eat in the cafeteria, often at the same time.S  2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 17:58:42 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r Subject: Re: Newbye quetion 3 Message-ID: <yd1mEq$Yl8+O@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  j In article <harris-3A40B6.17424929042004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>, Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com> writes:5 > In article <g+V22Aan9gPT@eisner.encompasserve.org>,F? >  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  > A >> In article <c2f95fd0.0404290325.507956f7@posting.google.com>,  G >> jose_luis_fdez_diaz_news@yahoo.es (jose luis fernandez diaz) writes:JK >> > so, is there actually any relation between OSF/Tru64 and OpenVms ?, orE* >> > they are two OS completely different. >> EG >>    They were both supported/sold by DEC, Compaq, HP.  You can get IP,I >>    stacks on them based on the same code.  They both can run on Alpha.hC >>    They both passed POSIX compatability tests at one time.  Theye- >>    have intentionally similar C compilers.. >>  J >>    They are very much completely different OS.  OSF/1 -- Tru64 is UNIX, >>    OpenVMS is not.o > . > The OpenVMS developers are on the 4th floor.1 > The Tru64 UNIX developers are on the 3rd floor.59 > They both eat in the cafeteria, often at the same time.e  - Do you mean in lockstep, like at West Point ?i  ' Or am I thinking of the Tandem group...    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 19:25:37 -0700 From: lsk55@hotmail.com (Scott)c Subject: OpenVMS DDL= Message-ID: <926edf3b.0404291825.4b3fbf65@posting.google.com>d  A Does anyone know where I can find a manual on DDL for OpenVMS?  I F can't seem to find it anywhere.  Even HP claims they can't dig one up.#  I'd appreciate any clues!  Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:55:56 +0800l, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP - Message-ID: <87k6zyekib.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:g   >   Paul Repacholi wrote:h  F >   > ANZ was a big VMS user, don't know if they still use them. Their >   > ATM net was basiclyc  3 >   > ATMs -- Tandems -- VMS clusters -- blueboxen.   D >   What was the role of the VMS boxes between the Tandem and IBMs ?  F Can't remember I'm sorry. This was a short converstation at DECUS many@ years ago. I can remember that the vaxen did a lot of interstateA networking coms, and acted as a buffer while the IBMs where doingi! stuff that took them off the air.b  E There was the odd mention of them in the trade press at the time too.,   -- c< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.x@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:59:05 -0400J- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>./ Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP , Message-ID: <40917AA8.97F47746@teksavvy.com>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:7 > I was simply pointing out that the application itselfh7 > seems to work perfectly OK, all be it with the caveats8 > that the same app can run  fine in one environment and > fail in another.  F But in many cases, it also depends for which platform the software was* originally  targetted and architected for.  E Lets assume that some software was orgibnally written for VMS, givingzL enterprise-stability through all the various clustering facilities. But whenJ targetted to Windows, they either have to remove much functionality simplyJ because it is not available, or hack up some clustering imitation which isL then likely to run into lots of problems because Windows just isn't designed to have real clustering.  K So the same package in name does not mean the same software quality and thev same features.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Apr 2004 15:59:53 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)4 Subject: Re: Pathworks for Macintosh & Printing (II)0 Message-ID: <c6r8pp$4fi$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  b In article <290420041045185372%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:D >In article <c6qkn3$p96$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Christoph Gartmann+ ><gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote:  >o@ >> you may remember my posting about Pathworks for Macintosh andC >> Panther. Somehow Panther broke the printing feature. Now when we H >> wanted to investigate this further we noticed that things are workingH >> again. I don't know what caused the change. Therefore I would like toF >> ask you whether you are able to confirm this. It might be that some+ >> Apple software update cured the problem.u >l >I still get a > = >   %MSAP-E-PAPCONN, connection gone status 65446498 on ref 1n >fD >error message with Mac OS X 10.3.3 when printing to a PATHWORKS for# >OpenVMS (Macintosh) printer share.    The error means:;    %ATK-E-PAP_CLSCONREQ, Connection closed by remote clientS  K So if you still get the error and we don't (tested on three different Macs, J with various printers and on various days) it must be something at our VMS9 system. A look into "MC ATK$MANAGER" gives the following:n   ATK$MANAGER> sho exec     < Executor Volatile Characteristics as of 29-APR-2004 17:49:16  * Executor state                          On Routing:*      State                              On+      Maximum buffers                    100s-      Cache size                         Smalln+      Manager modify password            Offa0      Manager modify zone                Volatile+      Manager modify port                Off + Socket count                            127e Connection: ,      Receive queue length               4096*      Open retry count                   32,      Open retry interval                1000,      Initial round trip delay           1000 Transaction:)      Queue limit                        3h)      Response cluster                   8,) Datagram queue limit                    1r
 Responder:*      State                              On2      Name                               "MPI6    " High reliability name service:+      Retry interval                     500 *      Retry count                        16" Moderate reliability name service:+      Retry interval                     500 )      Retry count                        8v Unreliable name service:+      Retry interval                     250t)      Retry count                        0s   ATK$MANAGER> SHO KNOWN PORTS    8 Port Volatile Characteristics as of 29-APR-2004 17:53:15  1 Port name                               "Primary"h. Device name                             "EWA0"4 Port type                               Primary port* Port state                              On* Seeding state                           On3 Network range                           20000-29999 < Zone name                               "ethertalk backbone"* Partner                                 ""- AARP cache size                         Small * Preallocated AARP receive buffers       10* Preallocated DDP receive buffers        10* Routing buffers                         16) Routing cost                            1l< Default zone                            "ethertalk backbone") Number of seed zones                    1r< Seed zone name                          "ethertalk backbone"   ATK$MANAGER>      O It might be that we fiddled around recently with some of the parameters becausev+ of a problem we had with an EFI controller.o   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    -- nE  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452s  ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot deh  D-79011  Freiburg, Germanyu9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmll   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:55:52 GMTt* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>4 Subject: Re: Pathworks for Macintosh & Printing (II)5 Message-ID: <290420041534477546%paul.anderson@hp.com>r  C In article <c6r8pp$4fi$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Christoph Gartmann * <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote:  G > So if you still get the error and we don't (tested on three differentgG > Macs, with various printers and on various days) it must be somethingn > at our VMS system.  C The differences between your system and mine are because we have no' AppleTalk zones here.y  D Your routing state is On; mine is Off.  Your responder name is MPI6; mine is blank.  = Your seeding state is On; mine is Off.  Your network range ismD 20000-29999; mine is 1-65534.  Your zone name, default zone and seedD zone name is "ethertalk backbone"; mine is "*".  Your number of seed zones is 1; mine is 0.  " No other parameters are different.  G I'm running PATHWORKS for OpenVMS (Macintosh) V1.3A ECO 2 on an OpenVMSi Alpha V7.3-2 system.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringn   Hewlett-Packard Companya   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:50:54 GMTd1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>e  Subject: Re: strange disk status2 Message-ID: <40915C99.D01292DA@firstdbasource.com>  d Depending on the storage - especially if it is SAN related, try doing a path switch on the device to" another path.  If not, reboot all.   Michael Austin   Bart Zorn wrote:  ? > I have seen the %MOUNT-F-DEVBUSYINVMOS error too, in the sameaH > situation as what Phillip describes: A node in the cluster reboots and7 > an other node has the DSA device in MntVerifyTimeout.  > ? > The only solution I found was a reboot of the entire cluster.  >  > Not much help, I am afraid!y >n > Bart ZornM >rf > brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote in message news:<7IrvKYihR57D@cuebid.zko.dec.com>...6 > > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:M > > > After the crash and reboot of ELIJAH (see my previous post), typing "B"sE > > > at the console prompt brought the machine up normally, with oneeJ > > > exception involving a shadow set (temporarily with only one member). > > > The mount failed with  > > >zA > > >    %MOUNT-F-DEVBUSYINVMOS, $DSA in-set value block is emptyy > >o4 > > What was the exact mount command used on ELIJAH? > > What version of VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:21:44 -0700y) From: Jack Fortune <jfortune@uoregon.edu>_0 Subject: System organization preference question8 Message-ID: <b4o290ptg2jpuvheehhmasjkb7kcfhc2tl@4ax.com>   Greetings all,  D I'm two months into a new job managing an existing VMSCluster; in myD previous position I also managed a VMSCluster. I'm trying to resolve@ some fundamental differences between how things have been set up& differently in these two environments.  F While I'm sure there is no _right_ or _wrong_ way to manage a cluster,2 I'm curious as to what approach others have taken.  > The main differences concern the use of the SYSTEM accound andC SYS$MANAGER directory. At my former job, I hardly ever logged in assD SYSTEM and never ran any batch jobs under the SYSTEM username. Also,F we did not put any site-specific command procedures in any SYS$MANAGERB directory (except for SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, SYPAGSWPFILES.COM ,etc.).  > Here, there are many batch jobs running under SYSTEM, and mostA site-specific command files used to run the systems are typicallyn located in SYS$MANAGER.   ) How have others configured their cluster?v  B I'm trying to weigh the pro's & con's to determine if there is anyF great value in changing this practice, or simply leaving everything in place.   Jack Fortune VMS Systems Managern University of Oregon Eugene, Oregon   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:10:56 GMTn# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)a4 Subject: Re: System organization preference question0 Message-ID: <Q3fkc.677$zf4.463@news.cpqcorp.net>  d In article <b4o290ptg2jpuvheehhmasjkb7kcfhc2tl@4ax.com>, Jack Fortune <jfortune@uoregon.edu> writes:* :How have others configured their cluster?  G   I prefer to keep files outside the system directories when supporting E   production environments, leaving "stub" files for SYSTARTUP_VMS.COMrE   and such.  SYLOGICALS mounts the "personality" disk, and subsequentnF   parts of the startup chain to the files located on that shared disk.F   This so that a cluster with multiple system disks has a central diskI   (potentially shadowed, of course) containing the cluster "personality",eJ   and a central spot where upgrades can be performed, and a way to contendG   with one or more system disks being off-line during rolling upgrades..  E   For workstations and one-offs -- environments not being managed foryG   production -- I do typically leave the files in the default location.c  J   A home-grown PCSI kit does makes it far easier to install and to upgradeG   the site-specific files, regardless of where the files are located.   H   Such a product-like management of the site-specific files is somethingL   particularly useful when managing multiple nodes and/or multiple clusters.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqrN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comM   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2004 17:56:58 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n4 Subject: Re: System organization preference question3 Message-ID: <DnRoiWA1S1RA@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  d In article <b4o290ptg2jpuvheehhmasjkb7kcfhc2tl@4ax.com>, Jack Fortune <jfortune@uoregon.edu> writes:  @ > The main differences concern the use of the SYSTEM accound andE > SYS$MANAGER directory. At my former job, I hardly ever logged in asnF > SYSTEM and never ran any batch jobs under the SYSTEM username. Also,H > we did not put any site-specific command procedures in any SYS$MANAGERD > directory (except for SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, SYPAGSWPFILES.COM ,etc.). > @ > Here, there are many batch jobs running under SYSTEM, and mostC > site-specific command files used to run the systems are typicallyu > located in SYS$MANAGER.  > + > How have others configured their cluster?   A I never log into SYSTEM but have the system management batch jobs8 run under SYSTEM.7   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:18:48 -0400,' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>t+ Subject: RE: Tomcat / Java / process quotasbR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB313F4B@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: Chuck Chopp [mailto:ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com]=20 > Sent: April 28, 2004 10:52 PMf > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Tomcat / Java / process quotas  >=20= > I've looked over the FAQ for Java on OpenVMS Alpha and I=20e > don't see any=20J > recommendations regarding how to properly estimate the process quotas=20@ > [bytlim, pgflquo & fillm in particular] that need to be set=20 > for the account=20H > that runs the Tomcat server.  I'm trying to run some sample servlet=20B > applications, but after the initial JSPs are displayed and it=20 > is time to=20yB > interact with the actual servlet itself, I'm finding that the=20 > servlet simply=20DA > dies and I get a 503 error from Tomcat.  I'm not sure if the=20E > sample servlet=20yJ > is simply broken [e.g. coded wrong] or if some process quota is being=20B > exceeded.  The Tomcat logs directory has log files in it, but=20 > they are empty=20 - > so there's nothing of use there to look at.@ >=20: > Is there any sort of additional information regarding=20 > analyzing the actual=20F> > servlet code, combined with the estimated # of concurrent=20 > client sessions=20@ > that would allow me to more accurately estimate the process=20 > quota values=20n? > that will be needed for Tomcat to run my servlet application?m >=20> > I am using Java v1.3.1-17 & the CSWS_JAVA v2.1 on OpenVMS=20 > Alpha v7.3-1 [with=20a" > all required patches installed]. >=20 >=20 > TIA, >=20 > Chuck  > --=20d
 > Chuck Choppv >=20: > ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com >=20B > RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4 > 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax > Greer, SC  29651 >=20. > Do not send me unsolicited commercial email. >=20   Chuck,  G Fwiw, I prefer using the free Availability Manager utility for not onlyeF monitoring process quota's, but also dynamically updating them in realF time. That is something one can not typically do with the numerous DCL programs kicking around.  
 Reference:> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/index.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantu HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660h Fax: 613-591-4477u Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomH. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.238 ************************