1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 30 Apr 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 239       Contents: RE: Asdk the Wizard ?  Re: Asdk the Wizard ? # Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other # Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other  Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/60  Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/60  Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/60 3 Re: file directory sorted by modification date/time O Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotas) > Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ...> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... Re: IEEE 802.1p support 4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... Re: Marillion Comeback Re: Marillion Comeback Re: Newbye quetion Re: Newbye quetion% Normal operating temerpature for ES40 ) RE: Normal operating temerpature for ES40 ) Re: Normal operating temerpature for ES40  Re: OpenVMS DDL  Re: OpenVMS DDL ! Re: Oracle statement of direction & Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HP+ Re: Pathworks for Macintosh & Printing (II) : running a .com file automatically  in fileview after login> Re: running a .com file automatically  in fileview after login Re: strange disk status  Re: strange disk status  Re: strange disk status  Re: strange disk status + Re: System organization preference question + Re: System organization preference question + Re: System organization preference question + Re: System organization preference question 8 TCPIP: which VMSmail messages does the POP server take ?< Re: TCPIP: which VMSmail messages does the POP server take ?< RE: TCPIP: which VMSmail messages does the POP server take ?< Re: TCPIP: which VMSmail messages does the POP server take ? Re: telnet in batch   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:34:57 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: Asdk the Wizard ?9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMELADCAA.tom@kednos.com>      -----Original Message-----,   From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoff@hp.nospam](   Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:59 PM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com     Subject: Re: Asdk the Wizard ?    @   In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEIADCAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom"   Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:=   :When a FAQ says to read discussions referenced by numbers, >   :how do you access those?  Certainly would nice if they were	   :links.   $     Yes, it certainly would be nice.  B     Some folks still don't have operating systems with mouse-based*     cut-and-paste support, after all.  :-)  3     BTW, as for the FAQ, are you volunteering?  :-)   > I wonder if you could make tool to parse the text and make URL substitutions. For example, from 8876:   E   Please also consider reading through at least some of the following    existing discussions:   B     (546), (2312), (2407), (2631), (2696), (3202), (3280), (5173),"     (6447), (7504), likely others.  F upon encountering the comma delimited list of parentheses encapsulated number, ' extract the number and build the string ( "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wiz_546.html"I number make the substitution (after validating that the number is a valid 
 reference)  
 (546)  for; <A HREF="http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wiz_546.html"> (546)</A>   K in the text. Of course, this assumes that all the pages behave the same and L that one can recognize the references.  How many pages are there?  Are thereK any such entries  longer than 32K characters each (so I could put an entire  page into a PL/I string)?   L     Pending implementation of ultra-mega-hyperlink web technology or my nextJ     delivery of copious spare time, I'm simply not planning to add a largeH     volume of (new) URLs into the FAQ.  If I can manage to add hyperlinkI     hrefs into the SDML without greatly increasing the maintenance effort K     and particularly without increasing the risk of output-specific errors, J     I'll certainly add that -- but I do not seek to maintain parallel setsL     of output-specific URLs within the FAQ SDML source files in the process.  K     If y'all really want to sign up to maintain the FAQ, well, we can quite I     certainly discuss that off-line.  A phrase I recall from my childhood '     comes to mind in this context, too:   :       "The first complainer is the next meal's cook."  :-)  K     As for the Ask The Wizard (ATW) area (www.hp.com/go/openvms/wizard) and K     as for finding entry numbers, there was some effort to try to make this I     somewhat easier, within existing URL static-vs-volatile URL reference H     constraints and within available time.  In particular, you will findJ     the following text -- well, there is a correction for a spelling errorH     shown here, with the correction itself in progress at the site -- atH     the ATW web page, and the subsequent section of text shown below was+     extracted from the FAQ.  Do these help?   7     Suggestions and corrections are welcome, as always.   
     -- ATW --   3   Goto Specific OpenVMS Ask The Wizard Entry Number   4   	Enter specific Ask the Wizard entry number: [box]  C   Topic citations here refer to the unique and parenthesized number    assigned each L   question, and specific topic citations can be found using the parethesizedC   value in the topic listings, using the [wizard zip archive ~6MB],    by using theJ   search engines, or by using the citation number embedded in each topic's   specific URL.   %   Commonly-referenced topics include:   >       * (1020) general IP printing, and HP printer blank pagesB       * (1661) memory management, application synchronization, and   common coding errors<       * (6776) resolving the access violation (ACCVIO) error,       * (7552) general application debugging    
     -- FAQ --   F             3.9  What is this Ask The Wizard website I've heard about?  F                      The HP OpenVMS Ask The Wizard (ATW) website is anH                      informal area containing questions and answers on a,                      wide variety of topics.  <                      o  http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/wizard/  F                      For additional information on the OpenVMS Ask TheI                      Wizard (ATW) area and for a pointer to the available D                      ATW Wizard.zip archive, please see Section 3.9.  K                      To access a cited topic directly, use the URL filename L                      WIZ_topic-number.HTML. For example, topic (1020) can beK                      accessed directly using the URL filename wiz_1020.html *                      at the following URL:  <                      o  http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/wizard/  K                      A zip archive (named wizard.zip) containing all of the J                      available topics and questions can be downloaded fromL                      the above URL. The wizard.zip zip archive is completelyJ                      regenerated when new batches of topics are posted out(                      to the ATW website.  D                      Before posting a question to the Ask The WizardI                      area, please read and please heed the posting rules- E                      and please remember to search this document, the J                      OpenVMS FAQ. And if you have a question that requiresE                      an answer, or if your question has time-critical H                      constraints or business constraints, please contact=                      the HP customer support center directly.       2    ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h>   ----------------------------- 3       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --  www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq *  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    --- & Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 07:47:13 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) Subject: Re: Asdk the Wizard ?= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0404300647.2b8c6baf@posting.google.com>   Z hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<LUekc.674$zf4.28@news.cpqcorp.net>...a > In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEIADCAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: > > :When a FAQ says to read discussions referenced by numbers, > > :how do you access those?  Certainly would nice if they were	 > :links.  > & >   Yes, it certainly would be nice.   >    <snip>  - Hoff, if you worked in a place called Redmond   = (pause as Hoff runs screaming from his office, hands to head)     the prescribed solution would be                                                   an "Ask the Wizard" wizard.    (insert sound of rimshot here.)    WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:59:27 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>, Subject: Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other' Message-ID: <c6t13q$3hg$1@lore.csc.com>   
 rfc wrote: > H > On 29 Apr 2004 07:25:44 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org > (Bob Koehler) wrote: >  > 1 > >   How does it compare to the current VMS FAQ?  > H > Well it's in pretty poor shape - but you must consider that I wrote itE > back in 1994/1995 when not many resources were available on the net F > (but in those days as a student at Liverpool I had plenty of time on > my hands - now less so)  > 3 > http://anacin.nsc.vcu.edu/~jim/mvax/mvax_faq.html  > F > Nobody (other than Jim) has resurrected it. I'd like to have a go at# > it again if there is any support.   , This is a definite YES for support for this.  E I know where Bob is coming from regards the VMS FAQ, but this is more H hardware related and covers detail that would clutter the current FAQ. IC know you're saying its in poor shape, but it has held out and it in = honestly a reference I do go to from time to time because the  information is still valid.   G There are probably some elements I could now help with so keep my email $ address tucked away for reference...   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 07:31:12 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other3 Message-ID: <mL1UQiXyBJd7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <c6t13q$3hg$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes: > G > I know where Bob is coming from regards the VMS FAQ, but this is more I > hardware related and covers detail that would clutter the current FAQ.    D    That's what I was wondering about.  In such case, I say yes, too.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:59:46 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/60$ Message-ID: <c6sq0h$kgk$3@online.de>  8 In article <7r0290l9s0c5sm25q9rb5gjq757vi6k3ic@4ax.com>, wannabe@fish.org writes:    + > On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:07:02 +0000 (UTC), E > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to  > reply) wrote:  > 4 > >Why does it not RESTART even if HALT is set to 1? > H > If the machine is halting rather than crashing, it won't restart.  TryD > entering "cont" at the >>> prompt to see if is just halting from a > "break".    & OK; is there any way to automate this?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:05:48 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>( Subject: Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/60' Message-ID: <c6t1fm$3hi$1@lore.csc.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > : > In article <7r0290l9s0c5sm25q9rb5gjq757vi6k3ic@4ax.com>, > wannabe@fish.org writes: >   J > > If the machine is halting rather than crashing, it won't restart.  TryF > > entering "cont" at the >>> prompt to see if is just halting from a > > "break". > ( > OK; is there any way to automate this?  D There is a difference between the BOOT and RESTART options (ignoring HALT).  H RESTART checks a "bit" to see if a RESTART condition is valid. This goesH back to the days of 11/750's and battery backed memory, the theory beingD that the contents of main memory are good enough to just do a "CONT"G rather than a full reboot. Having said that I'm not sure how it applies  on a 4000 class VAX.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:04:38 GMT  From: wannabe@fish.org( Subject: Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/608 Message-ID: <q4m49017ogp7995adt44lm7429rte76sl5@4ax.com>  - On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:05:48 +0100, Nic Clews ! <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:   0 >Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   ) >> OK; is there any way to automate this?   @ Not that I know of, although "any way" covers a lot of ground.    = If you don't have constant access to OPA0, you might want to  C change the "HALT" to 2.  In the event of a crash, the machine would B attempt to reboot rather than restart.  That way you don't have toC depend on memory being good.  (The RPB can be good at the same time F something else is bad.)  If the RPB is bad, the machine won't restart,F although I don't remember the exact sequence of events that would then occur.  C What I'm saying is, it is possible the machine is halting during an E attempted restart from a crash due to a hardware problem, in addition B to the possibility of  the halt being caused by a spurious "break" mentioned earlier.  E Note that the "HALT" in the 4000/60 world equates to "auto_action" in  the Alpha world.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:16:16 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>< Subject: Re: file directory sorted by modification date/time0 Message-ID: <40920B50.12D46035@sture.homeip.net>   Peter Weaver wrote:  >  > Paul Sture wrote:  > > Joshua Lehrer wrote:F > >> What's the most efficient way to get a listing of files in a very2 > >> large directory, sorted by modification time? > >>8 > >> Either a DCL or C solution is fine for my purposes. > >> > > D > > I don't know of any C out there, but to get a one line per entry' > > report from DCL try something like:  > > B > >   $ dir/date=modified/width=(file:80,display:132) /out=out.txt > > F > > Use /nohead/notrail if you wish to cust out the header and trailerH > > lines, but be aware that this will produce the full device/directory > > on each line.  > > D > > Then use a bit of DCL to convert the output file into YYYY-MM-DD > > format and sort the result.  > : > Slightly easier if you have the Date/Time format started5 > (@SYS$STARTUP:LIB$DT_STARTUP) and issue the command @ > $ ASSIGN LIB$DATE_FORMAT_037,LIB$TIME_FORMAT_001 LIB$DT_FORMAT& > before you do the directory command. >  > So;  >   > $ ASSIGN LIB$DATE_FORMAT_037,- >    LIB$TIME_FORMAT_001 - >    LIB$DT_FORMAT/USER_MODE' > $ directx -  ! Ignore any DIR symbols  >    /date=modified-" >    /width=(file:80,display:132)- >    /out=out.txt  > $ sort out.txt - >     /key=(pos:83,siz:22) tt:9 > should do it as long as someone with privileges did the $ > @SYS$STARTUP:LIB$DT_STARTUP first. >     A very neat tip thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:51:10 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>X Subject: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotas)9 Message-ID: <c6tp51$gd9on$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    Main, Kerry wrote: > ... D > Fwiw, I prefer using the free Availability Manager utility for notE > only monitoring process quota's, but also dynamically updating them C > in real time. That is something one can not typically do with the ' > numerous DCL programs kicking around.  > ...   F In that case I hope you are telling the people who are deciding on theE licensing structure of IA64. The last I saw Availability Manager, ECP A and OVMS Management Station (all free products currently) will be C included in the "Enterprise Operating Environment" and the "Mission D Critical Operating Environment" but not in the "Foundation OperatingC Environment." IMHO those items should be in the FOE, but the DECNet ' licenses should be in the EOE and MCOE.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:21:29 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... ' Message-ID: <c6t2d3$3tc$1@lore.csc.com>    Paul Sture wrote:  >  > Karsten Nyblad wrote: J > > "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message. > > news:c6ntl3$nvf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > > ? > >>So far in this thread we have had Bob K making claims about < > >>UNIX authentication which are incorrect and Bob C making? > >>claims about the relatie Security of OpenVMS vs UNIX namely = > >>that OpenVMS cannot be infected with virii which are also  > >>incorrect. ...  > J > Oh, but as I remember it, VMS did have security logs with V4.0. Not diskI > logs as they later became, because the concept then was to log messages  > to a hardcopy terminal.   H Actually I know a couple of sites that up until quite recently still ranC with the LA120 paper consoles, religiously stowing away the logs as  "evidence".   B Version 3? version 2? Not sure when the systems were installed but7 Paul's right that the "electronic" log is a moot point.   F We're back in the days when VMS systems were hackers (easier) targets,G 1200 baud modems were starting to become commonplace, and is of the era D that the current phreak information is based. Windows were something that let the Sun in.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 05:40:12 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404300440.7f7f08a3@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c6lliv$n5$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > C > But it isn't BS. Lets examine one often used example of OpenVMS's @ > apparent security invunerability the Defcon 9 capture the flag > competition. > A > The headline touted by OpenVMS advocates is that an OpenVMS box E > secured with additional 3rd party software resisted all attempts to ) > hack it during the Defcon 9 conference.  > ? > The reality is that a separate survey conducted by the Defcon < > organisers found that none of the Defcon 9 hackers had any< > significant experience of using OpenVMS and not one single= > hacker had access to OpenVMS systems as a hacking platform.  > : > Without interest in the platform it is never going to be; > seriously exploited and that is virtually all you can say  > from the Defcon 9 example. > 	 > regards  > Andrew Harrison   A that is because it can't be exploited because it has security ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:35:27 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 0 Message-ID: <c6tkmv$pku$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c6lliv$n5$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > C >>But it isn't BS. Lets examine one often used example of OpenVMS's @ >>apparent security invunerability the Defcon 9 capture the flag >>competition. >>A >>The headline touted by OpenVMS advocates is that an OpenVMS box E >>secured with additional 3rd party software resisted all attempts to ) >>hack it during the Defcon 9 conference.  >>? >>The reality is that a separate survey conducted by the Defcon < >>organisers found that none of the Defcon 9 hackers had any< >>significant experience of using OpenVMS and not one single= >>hacker had access to OpenVMS systems as a hacking platform.  >>: >>Without interest in the platform it is never going to be; >>seriously exploited and that is virtually all you can say  >>from the Defcon 9 example. >>	 >>regards  >>Andrew Harrison  >  > C > that is because it can't be exploited because it has security ...   . Nope sorry Bob but thats the wrong conclusion.  4 To even start exploiting a system requires knowledge2 of a system, without that the hackers stand little chance.   7 The Defcon 9 hackers knew nothing about OpenVMS, so for 7 the purposes of that test it was virtually invunerable, 8 not by design but instead by lack of knowledge and thats6 not a feature of OpenVMS its a feature of the hackers.  8 Why do you think things like Blast appeared on Windows ?  8 Ans because Microsoft published details on the hole that Blast later exploited.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:10:48 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... 8 Message-ID: <03r4901sbo372emut6sadv9bv8oo99d1en@4ax.com>  K On 29 Apr 2004 12:58:59 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob  Koehler) wrote:   b >In article <r08290h8u48uusq6cd352cujkg4ad6jgpt@4ax.com>, jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes: > K >> Your running - in a non-priv'd account - any random code severely limits I >> the ability of that code to replicate and become more harmful, thereby  >> affecting the business. > E >   Since I can't use the PC without admin privs, I'm not running the > >   code in a non-priv'd account like I would be doing on VMS.  C Ah, in that case you are re-stating what I just said, and we are in 
 agreement.   --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Apr 2004 15:54:41 GMT. From: jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... : Message-ID: <20040430115441.21491.00000652@mb-m10.aol.com>  D >> that is because it can't be exploited because it has security ... > / >Nope sorry Bob but thats the wrong conclusion.  > 5 >To even start exploiting a system requires knowledge 3 >of a system, without that the hackers stand little  >chance. >   O Bob has a tendency to go overboard.  I'm certain there are zero day exploits in O VMS like elsewhere.  Admittedly certain forms of overflow are very difficult on  VMS.  8 >The Defcon 9 hackers knew nothing about OpenVMS, so for8 >the purposes of that test it was virtually invunerable,9 >not by design but instead by lack of knowledge and thats 7 >not a feature of OpenVMS its a feature of the hackers.  >   L Defcon has turned into a bunch of scene whores lately.  I doubt many of them6 knew about much about VMS, except the old school guys.  9 >Why do you think things like Blast appeared on Windows ?  > 9 >Ans because Microsoft published details on the hole that  >Blast later exploited.  >   O A nitpick about Blaster and RPC DCOM.  Someone from MS claimed that everyone is H reverse engineering patches and this is not always true.  The exploit inN question was found by LSD.  I believe they contacted MS, a patch was released,O and then they went public with the info.  What happened was that enough details M were released that exploit developers were able to construct working proof of N concept code.  This was turned into autorooters and worms by script kiddies or worm idiots.  M Different exploits have a different history and motive, but a typical exploit $ follows the path of the LSD sploits.   Michael    >Regards >Andrew Harrison >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 06:42:30 GMT # From: Joe Bloggs <JBloggs@acme.com>   Subject: Re: IEEE 802.1p support8 Message-ID: <nls3905fqrmlkqc5dsi1n7k0jqiiqujrjm@4ax.com>  F On 28 Apr 2004 14:59:56 -0700, elementyl@hotmail.com (James Wilkinson) wrote:  G >My question about modifying the TOS field in an IP packet was met with F >a deafening silence :-) so...  OpenVMS now lists support for at least9 >one Ethernet NIC that supports 802.1p quality of service A >prioritization.  Is there a software interface to set the 802.1p < >priority level if the hardware supports this feature?  TIA. >  >James  8 I assume you mean the DEGPA gigbit nic  (Broadcom 5703?)  3 I wondered myself if VMS would (one day..) support  * IEEE 802.1Q VLAN Tagging with this card.    7 it was my impression that Tru64 already does, (>= 5.1b)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:04:40 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... 0 Message-ID: <c6t8bo$lar$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c6qvei$r1b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>Bob Ceculski wrote:  >>t >>>Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c6nvmg$oli$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >>>  >>5 >>And Bob hot air=you, please remember you have never 5 >>managed to justify your security, performance, slow 4 >>Solaris etc claims and that translates into a load
 >>of hot air.  >>	 >>Regards  >>Andrew Harrison  >  > ? > oh but I have Andrew, I have ... and I see that justification 0 > in the form of a bonus check every year ... :)  2 You think that works as a justification well think again.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 10:07:17 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0404300907.203d9aaf@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c6t8bo$lar$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > >  > > A > > oh but I have Andrew, I have ... and I see that justification 2 > > in the form of a bonus check every year ... :) > 4 > You think that works as a justification well think > again. > 	 > regards  > Andrew Harrison    the proof is in the pudding ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:00:11 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Marillion Comeback 0 Message-ID: <4092078B.2ADF426C@sture.homeip.net>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > h > In article <c6qrm0$esqt4$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: > >VAXman- wrote: f > >> In article <8s7YZseRaZhB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: > >> > >>>  > >>>Yo VAXMan.  > >>> @ > >>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/28/marillion_comeback/ > >> > >>1 > >> ...but then you knew I already knew this. :)  > >>N > >> VAXman, whose name is in the liner notes of this new album along with theL > >> names of wife and son and 13,000 other fans that pre-ordered the album. > >> > > G > >I also caught a snippet on BBC radio this morning that they had been K > >asking fans to buy 3 copies of their latest single, with the result that 0 > >it went straight into the UK singles top ten. > >  > >An earlier report at = > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3632743.stm  > K > Yup.  They're doing their best to dis the music industry that dissed them K > and so many other great artist/acts/bands.  Many other bands are taking a K > few hints from them.  Let's hope the death knell sounds soon for the com-  > mercial music biz. :)  >   D They certainly have my best wishes, and I hope more bands take theirG lead. I noticed a couple or more years ago that the quality and variety F of music on the radio stations I used to listen to on my daily commuteH went seriously downhill. It appears that at least 4 stations (2 local, 27 national), now use the same tired and dreary playlists.   F Prior to the downturn, I would regularly pick out new stuff I heard onG the radio and end up buying CDs. I haven't bought one that way for well  over 2 years now.   * CD sales downturn due to piracy? Not here.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:01:20 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Marillion Comeback 0 Message-ID: <00A31209.6DF62B26@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <4092078B.2ADF426C@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: " >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>  i >> In article <c6qrm0$esqt4$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  >> >VAXman- wrote:g >> >> In article <8s7YZseRaZhB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  >> >>  >> >>> >> >>>Yo VAXMan. >> >>>A >> >>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/28/marillion_comeback/  >> >>  >> >> 2 >> >> ...but then you knew I already knew this. :) >> >> O >> >> VAXman, whose name is in the liner notes of this new album along with the M >> >> names of wife and son and 13,000 other fans that pre-ordered the album.  >> >>  >> >H >> >I also caught a snippet on BBC radio this morning that they had beenL >> >asking fans to buy 3 copies of their latest single, with the result that1 >> >it went straight into the UK singles top ten.  >> > >> >An earlier report at> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3632743.stm >>  L >> Yup.  They're doing their best to dis the music industry that dissed themL >> and so many other great artist/acts/bands.  Many other bands are taking aL >> few hints from them.  Let's hope the death knell sounds soon for the com- >> mercial music biz. :) >>   > E >They certainly have my best wishes, and I hope more bands take their H >lead. I noticed a couple or more years ago that the quality and varietyG >of music on the radio stations I used to listen to on my daily commute I >went seriously downhill. It appears that at least 4 stations (2 local, 2 8 >national), now use the same tired and dreary playlists. > G >Prior to the downturn, I would regularly pick out new stuff I heard on H >the radio and end up buying CDs. I haven't bought one that way for well >over 2 years now. > + >CD sales downturn due to piracy? Not here.   G If you like Marillion and other progressive rock, try out Auralmoon.com H internet radio.  You might even hear my DECtalk speak if you listen long enough.    --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 05:12:55 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) Subject: Re: Newbye quetion = Message-ID: <bf98c417.0404300412.3294c84f@posting.google.com>   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<yd1mEq$Yl8+O@eisner.encompasserve.org>...l > In article <harris-3A40B6.17424929042004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>, Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com> writes:7 > > In article <g+V22Aan9gPT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, A > >  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  > > C > >> In article <c2f95fd0.0404290325.507956f7@posting.google.com>,  I > >> jose_luis_fdez_diaz_news@yahoo.es (jose luis fernandez diaz) writes: M > >> > so, is there actually any relation between OSF/Tru64 and OpenVms ?, or , > >> > they are two OS completely different. > >>  I > >>    They were both supported/sold by DEC, Compaq, HP.  You can get IP K > >>    stacks on them based on the same code.  They both can run on Alpha. E > >>    They both passed POSIX compatability tests at one time.  They / > >>    have intentionally similar C compilers.  > >>  L > >>    They are very much completely different OS.  OSF/1 -- Tru64 is UNIX, > >>    OpenVMS is not.E > > 0 > > The OpenVMS developers are on the 4th floor.3 > > The Tru64 UNIX developers are on the 3rd floor.F; > > They both eat in the cafeteria, often at the same time.X > / > Do you mean in lockstep, like at West Point ?e > ) > Or am I thinking of the Tandem group...m  0 The Tandem folks go to the cafeteria in pairs.    C One person eats, but the second person never gets to eat unless ther* first person chokes on something and dies.   :^)o   WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:48:20 +0200e* From: "Ren Schelbaum" <rene@schelbaum.at> Subject: Re: Newbye quetioneG Message-ID: <40924b04$0$16024$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>   E "William Webb" <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag.7 news:bf98c417.0404300412.3294c84f@posting.google.com...e: > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message/ news:<yd1mEq$Yl8+O@eisner.encompasserve.org>...aJ > > In article <harris-3A40B6.17424929042004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>, Bob# Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com> writes:M9 > > > In article <g+V22Aan9gPT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, C > > >  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  > > >iD > > >> In article <c2f95fd0.0404290325.507956f7@posting.google.com>,K > > >> jose_luis_fdez_diaz_news@yahoo.es (jose luis fernandez diaz) writes:iL > > >> > so, is there actually any relation between OSF/Tru64 and OpenVms ?, or. > > >> > they are two OS completely different. > > >>K > > >>    They were both supported/sold by DEC, Compaq, HP.  You can get IPeF > > >>    stacks on them based on the same code.  They both can run on Alpha.G > > >>    They both passed POSIX compatability tests at one time.  Theys1 > > >>    have intentionally similar C compilers.s > > >>H > > >>    They are very much completely different OS.  OSF/1 -- Tru64 is UNIX,a > > >>    OpenVMS is not.  > > >-2 > > > The OpenVMS developers are on the 4th floor.5 > > > The Tru64 UNIX developers are on the 3rd floor. = > > > They both eat in the cafeteria, often at the same time.a > > 1 > > Do you mean in lockstep, like at West Point ?s > > + > > Or am I thinking of the Tandem group...f >f0 > The Tandem folks go to the cafeteria in pairs. > E > One person eats, but the second person never gets to eat unless the , > first person chokes on something and dies. >E > :^)t >k > WWWebb   Well, it's even worse.  J Each of the two is schiziphrenic, and if the two egos don't share the same opinion, they die as well.   Ren   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:10:33 -0500e( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon). Subject: Normal operating temerpature for ES401 Message-ID: <04043009103323@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>h  J I have an AlphaServer ES40 (4x667, 3-GB) and was wondering what the normal" internal operating temperature is.  M I have been using the CPU_TEMPERATURE.COM posted in openvms.org and have beenoA seeing ranges between 71 and 84 (I modified the procedure a bit).,   SENSOR_0" = "82.40 SENSOR_1" = "82.40 SENSOR_2" = "84.20 SENSOR_3" = "71.60 SENSOR_4" = "78.80 SENSOR_5" = "73.40 SENSOR_6" = "73.40    L The other day these values were between 87 and 93.  That is when some of ourD other servers started to have heat stroke - our A/C unit went out...    O Anyone else running this process that would care to share the temperature rangew they normally experience?5    . I find the above values too high for my taste.   TIAh         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nh VMS Systems Administratorf* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:56:02 -0700t# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 2 Subject: RE: Normal operating temerpature for ES409 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOELBDCAA.tom@kednos.com>   1 I looked for that procedure but couldn't find it.      -----Original Message-----1   From: John Brandon [mailto:brandon@dalsemi.com] &   Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:11 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr0   Subject: Normal operating temerpature for ES40    L   I have an AlphaServer ES40 (4x667, 3-GB) and was wondering what the normal$   internal operating temperature is.  A   I have been using the CPU_TEMPERATURE.COM posted in openvms.orgt   and have beeniC   seeing ranges between 71 and 84 (I modified the procedure a bit).n     SENSOR_0" = "82.40   SENSOR_1" = "82.40   SENSOR_2" = "84.20   SENSOR_3" = "71.60   SENSOR_4" = "78.80   SENSOR_5" = "73.40   SENSOR_6" = "73.40    B   The other day these values were between 87 and 93.  That is when
   some of ourgF   other servers started to have heat stroke - our A/C unit went out...    ?   Anyone else running this process that would care to share theo   temperature rangea   they normally experience?,    0   I find the above values too high for my taste.     TIAe           J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nh   VMS Systems Administrator ,   firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com     ---a(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004A   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:04:34 -0500s( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)2 Subject: Re: Normal operating temerpature for ES401 Message-ID: <04043010043479@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>b   The procedure is as follows:   $! $! CPU_TEMPERATURE.COM $! $ set noverify $ on error then goto exite $ temp_high_limit = 80 $! $!. $ temp_vector = f$getsyi("temperature_vector") $ save_status = $statusp $! $ if (save_status .eq. %xfba)o $ then6 $    write sys$output "ERROR - Status: ''save_status'" $    goto exit $ endif  $!@ $ write sys$output "-------------------------------------------"A $ write sys$output "    ''nodename' ES40 CPU Temperature Monitor" @ $ write sys$output "-------------------------------------------" $! $ cpu   = 0  $ sensor = "CPU SENSOR"n $ warn_flag = "FALSE"r $! $!* $!---------------------------------------- $ cpu_loop:  $ pos = (30-cpu*2)0 $ temp_vector_chk = f$extract(pos,2,temp_vector)8 $ if (temp_vector_chk .nes. "FF") then gosub temp_report $ cpu = cpu + 1 , $ if (cpu .eq. 4) then sensor = "INT SENSOR"% $ if (cpu .lt. 16) then goto cpu_loopr $! $!* $!---------------------------------------- $ exit:  $ exit save_status $! $!* $!----------------------------------------	 $ failed:t$ $ write sys$output "STATUS = FAILED" $ exit $! $!* $!---------------------------------------- $ temp_report:- $ temp = (%x'temp_vector_chk * 900) /5 + 3200l $ temp1 = temp / 100 $ temp2 = temp - (temp1 * 100) $!& $ if (temp .ge. (temp_high_limit*100)) $ then+ $   warn_msg = "WARNING - HIGH TEMPERATURE"h $   warn_flag = "TRUE" $ else $   warn_msg = ""i $ endife $! $ dts = f$cvtime() $ write sys$output -? f$fao("!16AS  !10AS !2ZW temperature !4SW.!2ZW Farenheit !AS",- $ dts,sensor,cpu,temp1,temp2,warn_msg) $ return $! $!     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:01:49 -0400e< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: OpenVMS DDL9 Message-ID: <c6tm8e$euu53$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>i   Scott wrote:C > Does anyone know where I can find a manual on DDL for OpenVMS?  IaH > can't seem to find it anywhere.  Even HP claims they can't dig one up.% >  I'd appreciate any clues!  Thanks.r  E You mean the Data Definition Language manual? You would be better offeF checking with Oracle on that I would think. If you mean some other DDL then let us know.F   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.- Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXo www.weaverconsulting.ca-   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 09:03:49 -0700' From: bill@wcschmidt.com (Bill Schmidt)d Subject: Re: OpenVMS DDL< Message-ID: <ed08a912.0404300803.36490aa@posting.google.com>  d lsk55@hotmail.com (Scott) wrote in message news:<926edf3b.0404291825.4b3fbf65@posting.google.com>...C > Does anyone know where I can find a manual on DDL for OpenVMS?  I6H > can't seem to find it anywhere.  Even HP claims they can't dig one up.% >  I'd appreciate any clues!  Thanks.3  6 See if the following link is what you are looking for   1 http://www.ibphoenix.com/downloads/ddl_syntax.pdf1   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:18:13 -0600 4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>* Subject: Re: Oracle statement of direction* Message-ID: <40925215.7DF1FB34@oracle.com>  > It would be proper and correct to read into the document that ? Oracle Rdb and Oracle Database on OpenVMS are developed by two c? different groups at Oracle who do not necessarily include each cA other in their public statements about their respective products.   > In fact, the port of Rdb to Itanium is well underway.  We are > soliciting volunteers who will bring application code and Rdb A databases to the OpenVMS Boot Camp in Nashua.  We will work with n< them to port their code to Itanium processors at that event.  C We expect to release an ADK this quarter that will allow customers hB to compile their applications on Itanium while using Rdb's remote C access capabilities to read and write data on an Alpha processor.  0E We expect to release two beta test versions of Rdb on Itanium before l@ a final production release in the second quarter of next year.  F With these releases, both database and applications will run entirely B on Itanium.  Of course, we continue to support Rdb on VAX & Alpha @ processors as well (though active, 'new feature' work on the VAX is declining).  	 - - - - -n0  opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone.  and certainly are not intended in any way to 0  express or represent any opinions or commitment  of oracle corporation.   *  norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:39:01 +0100bO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>n/ Subject: Re: OT: Failure of Windows good for HPu0 Message-ID: <c6tktl$pme$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:m* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > 7 >>I was simply pointing out that the application itself 7 >>seems to work perfectly OK, all be it with the caveat.8 >>that the same app can run  fine in one environment and >>fail in another. >  > H > But in many cases, it also depends for which platform the software was, > originally  targetted and architected for. >   ? In this case the product origionally ran on Tandem and Stratus.r  C It was then re-architected and ported to UNIX and Windows platforms67 with I think most of the deployments on UNIX platforms.0  G > Lets assume that some software was orgibnally written for VMS, givingtN > enterprise-stability through all the various clustering facilities. But whenL > targetted to Windows, they either have to remove much functionality simplyL > because it is not available, or hack up some clustering imitation which isN > then likely to run into lots of problems because Windows just isn't designed > to have real clustering. >   @ The product in question impliments its own state replication but> requires a HA DBMS preferably Oracle RAC for persistence. This@ architecture and the DBMS requirement is the same on Windows and UNIX.a   RegardsL Andrew Harrisonl   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Apr 2004 10:18:56 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)4 Subject: Re: Pathworks for Macintosh & Printing (II)0 Message-ID: <c6t96g$qu6$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  b In article <290420041534477546%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:D >In article <c6r8pp$4fi$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Christoph Gartmann+ ><gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote:o >AH >> So if you still get the error and we don't (tested on three differentH >> Macs, with various printers and on various days) it must be something >> at our VMS system.m > D >The differences between your system and mine are because we have no >AppleTalk zones here. >sE >Your routing state is On; mine is Off.  Your responder name is MPI6;t >mine is blank.b >k> >Your seeding state is On; mine is Off.  Your network range isE >20000-29999; mine is 1-65534.  Your zone name, default zone and seedTE >zone name is "ethertalk backbone"; mine is "*".  Your number of seeda >zones is 1; mine is 0.s >d# >No other parameters are different.i > H >I'm running PATHWORKS for OpenVMS (Macintosh) V1.3A ECO 2 on an OpenVMS >Alpha V7.3-2 system.H  N Today our OpenVMS host crashed. After the reboot we have the problem again :-(* Here it is V1.3A on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 .   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanno   -- -E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452r  ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de5  D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmlh   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 03:14:15 -0700( From: pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley)C Subject: running a .com file automatically  in fileview after loginf= Message-ID: <7041fc41.0404300214.3c181f26@posting.google.com>g   Hi  % Can anyone help with the following...v  B I am using VMS 7.2-1 DecWindows classic (i.e not CDE) on an Alpha.  D I am trying to set things up so that, when a particular user logs inF via DECWindows, a .com file runs automatically in a fileview window to! start up an in-house application.hF As far as I can tell from the manuals / experimenting I need to set upD a custom menu item in session manager and put this in the 'automatic startup' list.E The appropriate fileview command appears to be '@vue$library:vue$run'sF but this requires a file selection to be made in the fileview filelist window.oA How can I arrange for a specific, predefined file name to be run? D I assumed that a parameter could be passed into vue$run.com but, not0 being a DCL expert, I cannot see how to do this.    F Out of interest - I have a system that is already doing this correctly@ but, as the DECwindows profile (vue$profile.vue$dat) prevents meD accessing  the 'menu's...' item I can't see how it has been done and/ the vue$profile.vue$dat file is not plain text.f   Any help would be appreciated.     Phil Pulley.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 07:46:27 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)bG Subject: Re: running a .com file automatically  in fileview after login 3 Message-ID: <0e24XbPirdQ0@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  h In article <7041fc41.0404300214.3c181f26@posting.google.com>, pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley) writes: > Hi > ' > Can anyone help with the following...e > D > I am using VMS 7.2-1 DecWindows classic (i.e not CDE) on an Alpha. >   @    Have you tried putting a command in sys$login:decw$login.com?  H    If the application assumes a character-cell inerface that command can$    be create/terminal <application>.  E    You can also copy command files from vue$library, modify them, ando1    setup menu items to use the modified copies.     H    When FileView runs DCL command files it recognizes FileView specific I    features that are documented in one of the VMS specific X11 manuals.  -H    These features give you Tk-like abilities to pop up windows and such.E    You can find many examples of these in vue$library.  Removing themiE    should be fairly easy snce they have names like vue$inquire_symbol A    and vue$popup_confirm (FileView is sys$system:vue$master.exe).r   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:54:57 +0000 (UTC)mP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: strange disk status$ Message-ID: <c6spng$kgk$1@online.de>  H In article <c6rana$apf$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:   I > Does it work if you do a $ DISMOUNT/ABORT DSA530: on the two nodes that A > have it in MVTIMEOUT?  How about if you mount it on them first?   D MOUNT gives the error reported previously, DISMOUNT, with or without /ABORT, hangs the process.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:55:19 +0000 (UTC)MP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: strange disk status$ Message-ID: <c6spo7$kgk$2@online.de>  A In article <40915C99.D01292DA@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austinn% <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: i  f > Depending on the storage - especially if it is SAN related, try doing a path switch on the device to$ > another path.  If not, reboot all.  0 Just locally attached SCSI disks, nothing fancy.   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 30 Apr 04 10:48:55 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.si0  Subject: Re: strange disk status& Message-ID: <40922f1b$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  # In Article <c6p5tm$jp2$1@online.de>cR helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:E >In article <c6p54j$irc$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.dev4 >(Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  >rJ >> After the crash and reboot of ELIJAH (see my previous post), typing "B"C >> at the console prompt brought the machine up normally, with one fI >> exception involving a shadow set (temporarily with only one member).  i >> The mount failed with . >>  > >>    %MOUNT-F-DEVBUSYINVMOS, $DSA in-set value block is empty >> 0J >> There are only three nodes in the cluster, and the disk $44$dka300: is   >> directly connected to ELIJAH. >>    >> SYSMAN> do sh dev $44$dka300:5 >> %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEEL0S >> Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntrS >>  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnti1 >> $44$DKA300:   (ELIJAH)                       0w5 >> %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIAuS >> Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntrS >>  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntdI >> $44$DKA300:   (ELIJAH)  Online               0  (remote shadow member)o5 >> %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAHrS >> Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntuS >>  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt7I >> $44$DKA300:   (ELIJAH)  Online               0  (remote shadow member)o >> iH >> Since it is apparently not mounted anywhere, I don't see why I can't L >> mount it.  On the other hand, it appears to be a remote shadow member on J >> two of the nodes.  Is there any way to get out of this situation short  >> of a cluster reboot?e >i  >Forgot to add this information: >t >SYSMAN> do sh dev disk$data3 >%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEELsQ >Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntaQ > Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntcQ >DSA530:                 MntVerifyTimeout     0  DATA           3408657     1   2r3 >%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIA Q >Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntiQ > Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntaQ >DSA530:                 MntVerifyTimeout     0  DATA           3408657     1   2c3 >%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAH . >%SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available >i, >It seems to me that this is not consistent.  -  In this situation reboot is the only option.i  0  To avoid to get into similar mess, you have to:9 - make certain you DISMOUNT/CLUSTER all node's volumes one   shutdown;H= - on any remaining node chech periodically which cluster nodem>   dissapears from cluster and DISMOUNT/ABORT all it's volumes;D - enlarge parameter SHADOW_MBR_TMO to two periods mentioned above to?   prevent DSAs enter mount verification and timeout eventually.l   Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461 ; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464  Slovenia   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:45:09 GMTf1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>i  Subject: Re: strange disk status2 Message-ID: <4092666F.C8F56BA5@firstdbasource.com>  1 then try DISMOUNT/ABORT/FORCE should get it done.e      / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:l  C > In article <40915C99.D01292DA@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin & > <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > h > > Depending on the storage - especially if it is SAN related, try doing a path switch on the device to& > > another path.  If not, reboot all. >l2 > Just locally attached SCSI disks, nothing fancy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:47:04 +0100o* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>4 Subject: Re: System organization preference question' Message-ID: <c6t0ck$388$1@lore.csc.com>t   Jack Fortune wrote:O ...S@ > The main differences concern the use of the SYSTEM accound andE > SYS$MANAGER directory. At my former job, I hardly ever logged in astF > SYSTEM and never ran any batch jobs under the SYSTEM username. Also,H > we did not put any site-specific command procedures in any SYS$MANAGERD > directory (except for SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, SYPAGSWPFILES.COM ,etc.). > @ > Here, there are many batch jobs running under SYSTEM, and mostC > site-specific command files used to run the systems are typicallye > located in SYS$MANAGER.o > + > How have others configured their cluster?h  E The main problem with using the SYSTEM account is that you don't haveiG accountability / visibility for who is doing what. Certainly for us andeF many of our clients its a requirement that all access (and including /@ in particular) privileged access is accountable. One person, one@ privileged account, the initial level of privilege is regulated.  F From a management point of view, yes keeping the site customized areasG well away from (and outside of) the system areas does help, not only in @ keeping things tidy, but in doing work such as system migration, upgrades, merges, splits, etc.  E Finally to batch jobs and other processes, there is not really a hardeB rule here. If you are using the accounting information it could beG useful. For other identification and regulation and control it could beR useful to use.  C This is based on experience of many, many systems, but we find this5F varies with individual customer requirements, so one size does not fit all.  G In your case, I'd take a "devil's advocate" view, and see if the use ofu5 just the system account could compromise the service.    -- g? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences. nclews at csc dot comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:32:54 +0800e, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>4 Subject: Re: System organization preference question- Message-ID: <87llkdd20p.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  + Jack Fortune <jfortune@uoregon.edu> writes:   D > I'm trying to weigh the pro's & con's to determine if there is anyE > great value in changing this practice, or simply leaving everythingn > in place.   / It is your camel, it's up to you how you do it.o  = But, some things are much more down than others. Using SYSTEMn= is one of them. Gets you nothing over a suitable account, butc2 makes it way harder to find out who did something.  : Most of the rest have pros and cons, so take your picks...   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.w@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:27:08 -0500e( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)4 Subject: Re: System organization preference question1 Message-ID: <04043010270897@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e  J I do not log into the SYSTEM account.  I do not DISABLE the system account either - causes greif.  E I have batch jobs that run under the SYSTEM account - such as monitoru" and system reporting applications.  L If I have to restart an application I submit that application to batch under the SYSTEM account.a  L My startup is off the system disk - mount a "cluster" disk that contains theN startup routines for the entire cluster.  The systartup_vms and sylogicals are4 shells that point to those cluster startup routines.  L I maintain one command file for a set of related logicals.  For example, ECPK logicals are in ecp$logicals.com, TCPIP logicals are in tcpip$logicals.com, I etc.  I find this easier to maintain than one large command file that has  thousands of lines in it.d  J The logicals startup procedure actually searches for *$logicals.com (usingD f$search) in the cluster startup directory to activate the logicals.  L I use batch queues for startup.  This allows me to log into the server whileN startup is taking place.  This also allows me to log startup output into files( for future reference and problem review.  L I have the ability to suspend the startup process after DECnet has started. I This allows me to check for any problems that exist before the production   environment is allowed to start.  M Users are not allowed to login into the server until the last startup job hasw
 completed.  N All files that can be moved off the system disk (page, swap, audit, accountng,( syserr, operator, etc.) have been moved.       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*ne VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:26:46 -0400i& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>4 Subject: Re: System organization preference question8 Message-ID: <u8v4901b1sj695irlco1vi7nn1d9ciuodp@4ax.com>  N On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:21:44 -0700, Jack Fortune <jfortune@uoregon.edu> wrote:  G >While I'm sure there is no _right_ or _wrong_ way to manage a cluster,w3 >I'm curious as to what approach others have taken.  > ? >The main differences concern the use of the SYSTEM accound and3D >SYS$MANAGER directory. At my former job, I hardly ever logged in asE >SYSTEM and never ran any batch jobs under the SYSTEM username. Also,eG >we did not put any site-specific command procedures in any SYS$MANAGER.C >directory (except for SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, SYPAGSWPFILES.COM ,etc.).y >a? >Here, there are many batch jobs running under SYSTEM, and mostkB >site-specific command files used to run the systems are typically >located in SYS$MANAGER. - >-* >How have others configured their cluster?  O My practice is to setup the SYSTEM account for /NOINTERACTIVE access and use itCO for system management batch jobs (this being, in general, the only account witheO default privileges greater than TMPMBX and NETMBX and sometimes OPER for systemaO manager types). Those of us with system management responsibilities have SETPRV8N as an authorized privilege and (sometimes) OPER as default to allow login with SET LOG /INT=0 in force.  G We do not put files in SYS* directories, except for those documented ascM site-specific, which includes the SY*.COM files. All other files we keep in a M separate, cluster-accessible, directory tree with various subdirectories (and L corresponding logical names) to group like files together, e.g. xxx_STARTUP,# xxx_SHUTDOWN, xxx_TOOLS, and so on.t  O By adopting this approach, we have a single directory of files even on clustershN with multiple system disks (e.g. multi-architecture), and never "collide" withM VMS file or layered product file names. It is easy to know what is "ours" andt what is not.I -------------------------------------------------------------------------yI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comrI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)uI -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 04:11:38 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: TCPIP: which VMSmail messages does the POP server take ?u, Message-ID: <40920A03.5A4437D1@teksavvy.com>  M Does anyone know exactly what messages the POP server lists as available to al' POP client when it opens a VMSmailbox ?r  J I was under the impression that it was just messages in the NEWMAIL folderN that had the unread bit set. However, that does not seem to be the case. I didL a test on my mailbox and it picked up all messages in the NEWMAIL as well asH the MAIL folder (hundreds) and then moved all of them to the wastebasket5 folder (I was then able to refile to another folder).r  M Also, does anyone know if open source servers (SMTP, IMAP and POP) are easilyrP available and portable to VMS (with the interface to the mail store rewritten) ?  L I think that Digital should make the SMTP server, SMTP receiver (especially)N open sourced so that each site can customize how messages are treated. This isJ especially true since the VMS engineers are too busy to upgrade VMSmail to# work better with internet messages.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:23:53 -0400 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>hE Subject: Re: TCPIP: which VMSmail messages does the POP server take ?n+ Message-ID: <40926179.579BDAE9@adldata.com>    JF Mezei wrote:o > O > Does anyone know exactly what messages the POP server lists as available to aB) > POP client when it opens a VMSmailbox ?> > L > I was under the impression that it was just messages in the NEWMAIL folderP > that had the unread bit set. However, that does not seem to be the case. I didN > a test on my mailbox and it picked up all messages in the NEWMAIL as well asJ > the MAIL folder (hundreds) and then moved all of them to the wastebasket7 > folder (I was then able to refile to another folder).a > O > Also, does anyone know if open source servers (SMTP, IMAP and POP) are easily R > available and portable to VMS (with the interface to the mail store rewritten) ? > N > I think that Digital should make the SMTP server, SMTP receiver (especially)P > open sourced so that each site can customize how messages are treated. This isL > especially true since the VMS engineers are too busy to upgrade VMSmail to% > work better with internet messages.a  B There is a free version of Hunter Goatley's Message Exchange (MX).  * PINE on vms includes a pop and imap server  E IUPOP3 from Indiana University is a VMS pop server. I believe it was o? also used as the original implementation of the VMS pop server.k  S These are available on the VMS freeware CD or easily findable with a search engine.g   sol gongola  adl data systems inc.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:39:50 -0700V# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> E Subject: RE: TCPIP: which VMSmail messages does the POP server take ?e9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICELBDCAA.tom@kednos.com>O     -----Original Message-----,   From: sol gongola [mailto:sol@adldata.com]&   Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:24 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.CommG   Subject: Re: TCPIP: which VMSmail messages does the POP server take ?o       JF Mezei wrote:1   >4B   > Does anyone know exactly what messages the POP server lists as   available to a+   > POP client when it opens a VMSmailbox ?s   >o?   > I was under the impression that it was just messages in theq   NEWMAIL folderB   > that had the unread bit set. However, that does not seem to be   the case. I did>=   > a test on my mailbox and it picked up all messages in thew   NEWMAIL as well asL   > the MAIL folder (hundreds) and then moved all of them to the wastebasket9   > folder (I was then able to refile to another folder).    >>A   > Also, does anyone know if open source servers (SMTP, IMAP and,   POP) are easilyrA   > available and portable to VMS (with the interface to the mailo   store rewritten) ?   >PC   > I think that Digital should make the SMTP server, SMTP receiverh   (especially)A   > open sourced so that each site can customize how messages aren   treated. This isC   > especially true since the VMS engineers are too busy to upgradee   VMSmail to'   > work better with internet messages.U  D   There is a free version of Hunter Goatley's Message Exchange (MX).  I There is also the licensed version MX5.3 from Madgoat, which is supportedy/ and has an 'active' list, which is what we use.e  ,   PINE on vms includes a pop and imap server  F   IUPOP3 from Indiana University is a VMS pop server. I believe it wasA   also used as the original implementation of the VMS pop server.n  ?   These are available on the VMS freeware CD or easily findablet   with a search engine.   
   sol gongola-   adl data systems inc.      ---,(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004.   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:42:48 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>sE Subject: Re: TCPIP: which VMSmail messages does the POP server take ?a2 Message-ID: <409265E1.25FA24B2@firstdbasource.com>  . Currently using OpenVMS 7.3-1 and TCPIP 5.3-2.  Q I have been using TCPIP POP for several years now, and it works -- as long as yougN have enough PGFLQUO for ALL of the TCPIP$xxxxxx accounts.  You can set the POPR server to leave everything on the server and delete when you delete on the desktopP (I use Netscape 4.7 and 7.1 mail/newsreader)  This week I began playing with theT TCPIP5.3-2 IMAP server using the same readers.  It uses VMSmail as the mailstore andI so far I have not had any issues -- including pictures, bitmaps and othersO binary-related emails (zipfiles etc...).  It does get funky when you move stuffmS around within MAIL as you described, but after closing and reopening, seems to findFS everything okay.. looks like the process is caching some of the stuff.  I will alsoeC be testing this with Lookout and Lookout Express, just for giggles.3   Regards, Michael Austin   JF Mezei wrote:a  O > Does anyone know exactly what messages the POP server lists as available to as) > POP client when it opens a VMSmailbox ?g >pL > I was under the impression that it was just messages in the NEWMAIL folderP > that had the unread bit set. However, that does not seem to be the case. I didN > a test on my mailbox and it picked up all messages in the NEWMAIL as well asJ > the MAIL folder (hundreds) and then moved all of them to the wastebasket7 > folder (I was then able to refile to another folder).- >-O > Also, does anyone know if open source servers (SMTP, IMAP and POP) are easilynR > available and portable to VMS (with the interface to the mail store rewritten) ? >6N > I think that Digital should make the SMTP server, SMTP receiver (especially)P > open sourced so that each site can customize how messages are treated. This isL > especially true since the VMS engineers are too busy to upgrade VMSmail to% > work better with internet messages.,   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 06:59:45 GMT # From: Joe Bloggs <JBloggs@acme.com>5 Subject: Re: telnet in batch8 Message-ID: <qlt390958nhdb947s5sb6a7p0orpkoom6c@4ax.com>  A On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:34:46 -0400, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:   G >When I try to access ftp://kermit.columbia.edu with anonymous login ora >click the appropriate; >download from the decvms binaries I am not allowed access.v >What will fix that?  F My hazy recollection, (take this w/ a grain of salt...)  was that the D kermit columbia FTP server disallowed FTP sessions on IP addresses  F for it could not get a successful reverse-lookup (ip-address to name).  ( f.ex. systems in private address spaces.  9 ISTR, their FTP announce msg, at least once upon a time, L  said  something similar inre ...   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.239 ************************