1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 01 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 422       Contents:8 RE: Bind a socket to a low port number without privilege8 Re: Bind a socket to a low port number without privilege Record not found in UCX  Re: Record not found in UCX  Re: Record not found in UCX , Re: Record not found in UCX - Problem solved Re: Solaris to Itanium...  Re: Solaris to Itanium... ( Re: StorageWorks EVA to Windows Question( Re: StorageWorks EVA to Windows Question3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow 3 Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems 2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?2 Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:04:06 -0400 5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> A Subject: RE: Bind a socket to a low port number without privilege Q Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D504ADA5AD@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   G they do make perl "compilers" for Windows and Slow-laris - there may be  one for VMS.   -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20 & Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:14 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A Subject: Re: Bind a socket to a low port number without privilege      jf.pieronne@laposte.net wrote:D > So, is it doable to grant the right to access a low port number=20H > (<1024) to a process which don't have any important privilege or an=20
 > system UIC?   F I initially was to suggest that by defining the service with TCPIP SET= SERVICE that you could get away without privileges (since the G application would be defined in the TCPIP database). That way, it could H run some command procedure that then invoke perl and did what you wanted	 it to do.   C However, looking at 2 services that do not require privileges to do  their stuff:   	BIND is granted OPER privilege   	SMTP_RECEIVER is granted SYSPRV  F So it looks like even services which are defined in the TCPIP services? database need at least SYSPRV or OPER in order to bind to their  respective ports.   F (In fairness, the SMTP RECEIVER might need SYSPRV to be able to submitH entries to the smtp queues that do not come from the user underwhich the receiver runs).     E What you might consider is writing a user written system service that G has the right privs and which does the bind to port 25 and then returns G the "handle" to the calling program, and then write some jacket program @ which calls that routine , and integrate that program into Perl.    ) ----------------------------------------- L The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and c=L onfidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) n=L amed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent =L responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any revi=L ew, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is str=L ictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the=L  sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original =L message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructio=L ns by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such o= rders and/or instructions.L If you, as the intended recipient of this message, the purpose of which is =L to inform and update our clients, prospects and consultants of developments=L  relating to our services and products, would not like to receive further e=L -mail correspondence from the sender, please "reply" to the sender indicati=L ng your wishes.  In the U.S.: 1345 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 101= 05.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:22:57 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>A Subject: Re: Bind a socket to a low port number without privilege + Message-ID: <410C29D0.DDC8B2FB@comcast.net>    "Bochnik, William J" wrote:  > I > they do make perl "compilers" for Windows and Slow-laris - there may be  > one for VMS.  F It would need to produce native object code that can then be LINKed to? produce an executable image, which could then be installed with 
 privilege.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:52:39 GMT % From: "The KGB" <kgb@tampabay.rr.com>   Subject: Record not found in UCX8 Message-ID: <XoVOc.2780$Hu2.670@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>  E I am trying to get the $Status code to return to my program so it can H continue but the $Status code never seems to be returned to the program. A02>@prt.com $!
 $ SET CONT $ SAY = "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"2 $ INQUIRE PRTNAME "WHATS THE NAME OF THE PRINTER?") $ INQUIRE IPADDRE "WHATS THE IP ADDRESS?"  $prtnam:& $ ucx PING 'PRTNAME  /number_packets=3K $ sho sym $status<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<nothing is returned  here7 $ if $status .eqs. "%X00038140" then sho symbol $status K $ If $status .eqs. "%X100182B2" then goto nope<<<<it the host doesn/t exist 5 then this is the $status code that should be returned / $ If $status .eqs. "%X10000001" THEN goto PINGY ; $ IF $STATUS .EQS. "%X1000022C" then goto nopingy !bad ping 	 $ipaddre: ' $ tcpip PING 'ipaddre /number_packets=2 0 $ If $status .eqs. "%X10000001" THEN goto PINGY1< $ IF $STATUS .EQS. "%X1000022C" then goto nopingy1 !bad ping $pingy:  $ say "'prtname pings" $ goto ipaddre	 $nopingy: # $ say "The "'prtname" doesn't ping"  $ goto ipaddre	 $ pingy1:  $ say "The IP address pings"
 $nopingy1:# $ say " Sorry the IP doesn't ping!"  $nope:, $ say "L@@K mon there tain't no such animal" $ exit
 A01$ @prt.com $ WHATS THE NAME OF THE PRINTER?: time" WHATS THE IP ADDRESS?: 12.34.56.67 ping: unknown host time  %RMS-E-RNF, record not found& A02<<<<<<<I am dropped to the $ prompt   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:29:41 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: Record not found in UCX+ Message-ID: <410C2B64.455CFF5B@comcast.net>    The KGB wrote: > G > I am trying to get the $Status code to return to my program so it can J > continue but the $Status code never seems to be returned to the program. > A02>@prt.com > $! > $ SET CONT > $ SAY = "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"4 > $ INQUIRE PRTNAME "WHATS THE NAME OF THE PRINTER?"+ > $ INQUIRE IPADDRE "WHATS THE IP ADDRESS?" 
 > $prtnam:( > $ ucx PING 'PRTNAME  /number_packets=3M > $ sho sym $status<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<nothing is returned  > here9 > $ if $status .eqs. "%X00038140" then sho symbol $status M > $ If $status .eqs. "%X100182B2" then goto nope<<<<it the host doesn/t exist 7 > then this is the $status code that should be returned 1 > $ If $status .eqs. "%X10000001" THEN goto PINGY = > $ IF $STATUS .EQS. "%X1000022C" then goto nopingy !bad ping  > $ipaddre: ) > $ tcpip PING 'ipaddre /number_packets=2 2 > $ If $status .eqs. "%X10000001" THEN goto PINGY1> > $ IF $STATUS .EQS. "%X1000022C" then goto nopingy1 !bad ping	 > $pingy:  > $ say "'prtname pings" > $ goto ipaddre > $nopingy: % > $ say "The "'prtname" doesn't ping"  > $ goto ipaddre > $ pingy1:  > $ say "The IP address pings" > $nopingy1:% > $ say " Sorry the IP doesn't ping!"  > $nope:. > $ say "L@@K mon there tain't no such animal" > $ exit > A01$ @prt.com & > WHATS THE NAME OF THE PRINTER?: time$ > WHATS THE IP ADDRESS?: 12.34.56.67 > ping: unknown host time  > %RMS-E-RNF, record not found( > A02<<<<<<<I am dropped to the $ prompt  F  1. Add SET NOON to the beginning of your procedure, or do SHOW SYMBOL $STATUS after it bombs out.   G  2. The PING command at this point only proves that (PRTNAME) is not in H either the local hosts table or the DNS. That may or may not be what you want to do.   H  3. Testing for specific values in $STATUS can be tricky and troublesomeG unless you test the value of (&$STATUS .AND. %X7FFFFFFF) so the "quiet" G bit is ignored. You be better off saving/testing the value of $SEVERITY B to see if it's 1 (success) or 3 (informational), or 0 (warning), 2 (error) or 4 (severe error).   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 00:53:47 GMT % From: "The KGB" <kgb@tampabay.rr.com> $ Subject: Re: Record not found in UCX8 Message-ID: <vaXOc.2844$Hu2.467@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>  I Steven M. Schweda also replied with setting 'Set NOON' which is also what K David J Dachtera pointed out.    That did the trick.  I like the 'SEVERITY' < idea as well.  Thanks to David and Steven for their replies.? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:410C2B64.455CFF5B@comcast.net...  > The KGB wrote: > > I > > I am trying to get the $Status code to return to my program so it can L > > continue but the $Status code never seems to be returned to the program. > > A02>@prt.com > > $! > > $ SET CONT > > $ SAY = "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"6 > > $ INQUIRE PRTNAME "WHATS THE NAME OF THE PRINTER?"- > > $ INQUIRE IPADDRE "WHATS THE IP ADDRESS?"  > > $prtnam:* > > $ ucx PING 'PRTNAME  /number_packets=3F > > $ sho sym $status<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<nothing is returned > > here; > > $ if $status .eqs. "%X00038140" then sho symbol $status I > > $ If $status .eqs. "%X100182B2" then goto nope<<<<it the host doesn/t  exist 9 > > then this is the $status code that should be returned 3 > > $ If $status .eqs. "%X10000001" THEN goto PINGY ? > > $ IF $STATUS .EQS. "%X1000022C" then goto nopingy !bad ping 
 > > $ipaddre: + > > $ tcpip PING 'ipaddre /number_packets=2 4 > > $ If $status .eqs. "%X10000001" THEN goto PINGY1@ > > $ IF $STATUS .EQS. "%X1000022C" then goto nopingy1 !bad ping > > $pingy:  > > $ say "'prtname pings" > > $ goto ipaddre
 > > $nopingy: ' > > $ say "The "'prtname" doesn't ping"  > > $ goto ipaddre
 > > $ pingy1:   > > $ say "The IP address pings" > > $nopingy1:' > > $ say " Sorry the IP doesn't ping!" 
 > > $nope:0 > > $ say "L@@K mon there tain't no such animal"
 > > $ exit > > A01$ @prt.com ( > > WHATS THE NAME OF THE PRINTER?: time& > > WHATS THE IP ADDRESS?: 12.34.56.67 > > ping: unknown host time   > > %RMS-E-RNF, record not found* > > A02<<<<<<<I am dropped to the $ prompt > H >  1. Add SET NOON to the beginning of your procedure, or do SHOW SYMBOL > $STATUS after it bombs out.  > I >  2. The PING command at this point only proves that (PRTNAME) is not in J > either the local hosts table or the DNS. That may or may not be what you
 > want to do.  > J >  3. Testing for specific values in $STATUS can be tricky and troublesomeI > unless you test the value of (&$STATUS .AND. %X7FFFFFFF) so the "quiet" I > bit is ignored. You be better off saving/testing the value of $SEVERITY D > to see if it's 1 (success) or 3 (informational), or 0 (warning), 2 > (error) or 4 (severe error). >  > D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 02:00:58 GMT % From: "The KGB" <kgb@tampabay.rr.com> 5 Subject: Re: Record not found in UCX - Problem solved 8 Message-ID: <u9YOc.3153$Hu2.753@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>  I Steven M. Schweda also replied with setting 'Set NOON' which is also what K David J Dachtera pointed out.    That did the trick.  I like the 'SEVERITY' < idea as well.  Thanks to David and Steven for their replies.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:48:43 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) " Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3107041755120001@user-uinj4cg.dialup.mindspring.com>  J In article <abidnZ6cjZSXUJjcRVn-vw@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:   ...   K >One could, and I'm not saying that I am, twist your statement into meaning M >that the engineering talent Intel acquired in the Alphacide pact just aren't M >going to get IA64 anywhere performance-wise if they were that 'bad' on EV79.   - Thank you for not twisting my statement.  :-)   C I did not mean to imply that there was anything wrong with the EV79 F development effort, or the engineers doing the work.  Any such complexG project is undertaken as a gamble, not a certainty.  Nobody can predict I how many unpleasant surprises will appear, or how many tries it will take A to fix them.  Thus nobody can predict when the product will ship.   L >One could also infer that curly was a technological Einstein for seeing theL >light to cancel Alpha when he did - after all, today Itanic is nearly whereL >EV7 was several years ago both in performance and numbers of chips shipped.  E I suspect "curly" was paying more attention to financial matters than H technical ones.  Leading performance is of little value without profit. J Maybe someone could have made Alpha consistently profitable; I don't think& it was within Compaq's power to do so.  A If Itanium turns out to be "good enough" in performance, and also I profitable for Intel and the system makers, and the systems run VMS, then % I'll be satisfied with the situation.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:57:43 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) " Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3107041804120001@user-uinj4cg.dialup.mindspring.com>  9 In article <4106989E.1000707@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble  <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:   ...   I >What I do believe is that there is resistance in HP to spend anything on  Alpha,  P >and specifically on EV79 which would be a major effort, and so what would be a J >normal evolution in manufacturing of any CPU has been proclaimed a 'new' : >processor in order to justify not spending money on EV79.  H Except a great deal of money was spent on EV79 before it was abandoned. F They had completed the basic design and they had prototype silicon.  IH understood that several more passes would probably be required to get itI working.  Probably a year or more later than EV7z turned out to be.  Yes, G it would have worked eventually.  But I guess someone decided it didn't  make sense financially.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:17:37 -0400 ! From: Hal Kuff <kuff@comcast.net> 1 Subject: Re: StorageWorks EVA to Windows Question < Message-ID: <kuff-CC5ADB.15173731072004@library.airnews.net>  : In article <c6aOc.331$OK5.262@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>,3  Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:    > Hal Kuff wrote: O > > Rather than run Securepath per se, we're intertested in using a rack switch N > > (maxann, San valley?) to present EVA storage to the Windows boxes... that  > > isO > > to say present 1TB of raw storage to the fibre channel switch and have that K > > small switch with its internal 8 port swicth present the storage to the ? > > individual Windows boxes... anyone doing this? Or know how?  > >  > >  > M > Hal, are you thinking that the maxann/San Valley stuff will then subdivide   > the M > 1TB LUN for each Wintel box?  I have not seen those two boxes, but, my gut   > tells N > me that would be a big risk -- how are you going to ensure that the 1TB LUN  > can P > be restored intact?  I would say that it is not likely that would ever become  > an  N > issue, but I have seen an entire shelf go belly-up.  I can see that you are P > trying to drive down cost because SecurePath - as they say - ain't cheap, but M > cheap is a relative term when dealing with potential downtime and recovery   > cost. E > (maybe business copy to another EVA in another location would help)      Hi,      Thanxs for the replies...   I    1). I do not have anyting against Secure path per se, just that it is  H a double-double scsi emultaing shim that gets in the way of the EVA and I the O/S... matter of fact I hear that it is gone next month or so as the  H new EVA S/W honors the Linux and W3K drivers... the applinace goes away G as well, you can use any W2K/W3K/Linux machine... $$$ is not the issue   at all.     H    2). By the way, one should never trust any vendors EVA... this ain't H your mother's storage works... we have two fabric, two EVAs, and volume H shadow or Unix LSM between them... sure we have double the space... but F hell we have had terrible terrible support on these, the knowledge of F your average HP support guy (not our field rep, he is great) is about , zero.  They are more dangerous then helpful.    C    3). So, if I want to have some W3K storage and keep the fabrics  H honest and not use secure path, but rather a pair of MSA1500 and volume F mirror between the two using the W3K O/S ... or I could go very shiek H and use the Maxann swicthes.... present raw to them and use the web gui C to carve it up... Of course the W3K systems would handle their own  I backups.... yes the Maxann could corrupt their storage... we would use a  ( matched pair on seperate EVA systems...     C    Just an idea..... by the way the Maxann swicthes will handle IP  G sasynch, synch, and event/time driven snapshots so that a pair of them  G across a T-3 (about 25gb/hour uncompressed) could do disaster recovery  D if  your I/O rate is less than 20 GB hour and does not burst beyond  about 25MBits....         ----  I could attach   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:18:35 -0400 ! From: Hal Kuff <kuff@comcast.net> 1 Subject: Re: StorageWorks EVA to Windows Question < Message-ID: <kuff-4A9FB6.15183531072004@library.airnews.net>  : In article <c6aOc.331$OK5.262@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>,3  Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:    > Hal Kuff wrote: O > > Rather than run Securepath per se, we're intertested in using a rack switch N > > (maxann, San valley?) to present EVA storage to the Windows boxes... that  > > isO > > to say present 1TB of raw storage to the fibre channel switch and have that K > > small switch with its internal 8 port swicth present the storage to the ? > > individual Windows boxes... anyone doing this? Or know how?  > >  > >  > M > Hal, are you thinking that the maxann/San Valley stuff will then subdivide   > the M > 1TB LUN for each Wintel box?  I have not seen those two boxes, but, my gut   > tells N > me that would be a big risk -- how are you going to ensure that the 1TB LUN  > can P > be restored intact?  I would say that it is not likely that would ever become  > an  N > issue, but I have seen an entire shelf go belly-up.  I can see that you are P > trying to drive down cost because SecurePath - as they say - ain't cheap, but M > cheap is a relative term when dealing with potential downtime and recovery   > cost. E > (maybe business copy to another EVA in another location would help)         B    By the way, the way they price business copy is unfathomable...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:31:56 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> < Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow3 Message-ID: <410C561C.E14A8EC5@applied-synergy.com>    Bob Koehler wrote: > c > In article <YQAZZUHm36WR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  > > H > >       One other point.. Imagine if they broke the "run" abbreviationE > >       of "r".  Probably thousands of poorly written DCL that have  > E >    I believe that changes to VMS do not constitute breakage as long I >    as they are compatable with already existing, documented interfaces.  > H >    I don't believe there is any document that "r" is a DCL command.  IA >    do believe that there is a document warning about the use of G >    abbreviations in command files.  I know there's a document warning ' >    about using 4 or fewer characters.   H Online HELP for RUN says: You can abbreviate the RUN command to a single
 letter, R.    G >    Command files full of "r image" are simply good examples of poorly B >    written software who's author did not understand how to writeH >    maintainable code:  using something that happens to work instead of >    what's documented to work.  > J >    I've spent many years fixing up such poor programing.  You do realizeF >    that (outside of MS) most software projects consume 2/3 to 3/4 of1 >    thier total expense in the maintenace phase?   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 03:21:17 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> < Subject: Re: Time to patch OpenVMS - DCE-RPC buffer overflow* Message-ID: <410C61AD.9040504@bigpond.com>  # Chris Scheers was overheard to say:  > Bob Koehler wrote: > c >>In article <YQAZZUHm36WR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  >>G >>>      One other point.. Imagine if they broke the "run" abbreviation D >>>      of "r".  Probably thousands of poorly written DCL that have >>E >>   I believe that changes to VMS do not constitute breakage as long I >>   as they are compatable with already existing, documented interfaces.  >>H >>   I don't believe there is any document that "r" is a DCL command.  IA >>   do believe that there is a document warning about the use of G >>   abbreviations in command files.  I know there's a document warning ' >>   about using 4 or fewer characters.  >  > J > Online HELP for RUN says: You can abbreviate the RUN command to a single > letter, R. >  >  > G >>   Command files full of "r image" are simply good examples of poorly B >>   written software who's author did not understand how to writeH >>   maintainable code:  using something that happens to work instead of >>   what's documented to work.  >>J >>   I've spent many years fixing up such poor programing.  You do realizeF >>   that (outside of MS) most software projects consume 2/3 to 3/4 of1 >>   thier total expense in the maintenace phase?   
 $ verb run define verb RUN 
     synonym R      synonym RU(     cliroutine RUN, cliflags(abbreviate)     prefix CLI$K_RUN_      parameter P1, prompt="File" $        value (required,type=$infile) ..   Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:24:14 GMT ) From: Andrew Walters <awxrt001@yahoo.com> ( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems? Message-ID: <i_UOc.102441$KW7.96872@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>    JF Mezei wrote: M > So even with electronic voting, you'd still need *some* manual counting for 4 > the other types of votes (by mail, hopsital etc).   H Is there a problem using handheld devices in the same way that UPS uses $ them to get an electronic signature?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:28:49 -0700 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems2 Message-ID: <HpSdnUwgnsTfpJHc4p2dnA@mpowercom.net>  6 "Andrew Walters" <awxrt001@yahoo.com> wrote in message9 news:i_UOc.102441$KW7.96872@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com... I > Is there a problem using handheld devices in the same way that UPS uses & > them to get an electronic signature? > L Yes, because voting is secret, a signature is never directly associated withE the vote.  Not sure what other states do but in my county it's all by I number.  To determine who cast a vote is a lengthy manual process: obtain E the vote receipt number (asssuming you know it, or the voter kept the I receipt), go to the precinct book, manually look up the receipt number to J see the voter's name.  The precinct book is in name order, not receipt, soL it would involve reading every single page to find the receipt number writenI in manually by a precinct worker.  There's still a signature, but it's in L the precinct book and isn't recorded anywhere electronically.  The link fromL vote to name can only be obtained with a tedious manual search, as it should be.   L Going the other way is faster, name to receipt to vote, but that's not how aH recount works.  I for one would rather have the registrar ignore spoiledL ballots instead of getting a call and having someone read off my selections,J then ask me if it was correct.  At some point there has to be trust in theI people who run the local elections department.   I trust the registrar to E keep the precinct books secure and away from the curious; it's a good I compromise between secrecy and preventing fraud.  Any changes in e-voting J that doesn't keep names out of the electronic loop would give me cause for$ concern, because it isn't necessary.   Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 04:38:39 +0200 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> ; Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run? 7 Message-ID: <410c576e$0$80336$a344fe98@news.wanadoo.nl>    Undisclosed wrote:  I > personal ones or ones you administer for non-work purposes, of course,  ? > since it would be a little cheesy to ask about work machines.    Uhm,    HP9000's with NextStep and HP-UX3 VAXen (micro- and -station) with OpenVMS and NetBSD , Alpha's with OpenVMS, NetBSD and Windows NT4
 SGI with IRIX * Sun (Sparcs) with SunOS/Solaris and NetBSD IBM RS/6000 with AIX IBM PC Server with OS/2 ! PeeCees with NetBSD, Windows 98SE 6 Some 16- and 8-bitters with whatever their proms offer   Or is this just boasting?    Alex.   = PS, at work I 'just' have a WinXP and a Debian/GNU Linux box.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 04:51:18 +0200 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> ; Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run? 6 Message-ID: <410c5a65$0$1752$abc4f4c3@news.wanadoo.nl>   Undisclosed wrote:  G > I'd love to have some low end Ciscos or Junipers to play around with  & > too, but those things are expensive.  F Never mind the unobtainability of the machines, how forward are Cisco F and/or Juniper in disclosing the inner workings of their hardware[0]. I I'd really like to see an more-or-less usable OS[1] that can make use of  G _all_ MIPSen in a fully-equipped Cisco 7000 router (hopefully with VIP    carriers and cards) in parallel.  ; Hmm. the OT-ness is rapidly becoming less "Somewhat" than .    Alex.   B [0] At least, those models (modules) that are no longer supported. [1] Say, NetBSD, or Linux[2]. C [2] Which already is available for 68000-based Cisco 2500 and 4000.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2004 23:41:27 -04003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> ; Subject: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS machines run? . Message-ID: <mdd4qnnv82g.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  / Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> writes:   " > HP9000's with NextStep and HP-UX  N My 817S is in storage, awaiting a re-load of 9.0 and then 10.20, so it doesn't
 really count.    --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.422 ************************