1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 05 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 431       Contents:+ Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) 8 Re: Bind a socket to a low port number without privilege' Re: hp DeskJet 5850W PS printing on VMS ' Re: hp DeskJet 5850W PS printing on VMS 6 Linux Patents infrigment = Good oportunities for Tru64: Re: Linux Patents infrigment = Good oportunities for Tru64( looking for used DEC hardware in England, Re: looking for used DEC hardware in England, Re: looking for used DEC hardware in England, Re: looking for used DEC hardware in England Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad. RE: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks!. Re: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks!. Re: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks!. Re: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks!. RE: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks! Re: Qt ready for OpenVMS Alpha.  Re: Qt ready for OpenVMS Alpha.  Questions About ICC  Re: RENAME MULTIPLES USERNAMES Re: RENAME MULTIPLES USERNAMES Re: rx2600 and SAS Re: rx2600 and SAS Re: rx2600 and SAS Re: rx2600 and SAS Re: rx2600 and SAS RE: rx2600 and SAS Re: rx2600 and SAS RE: rx2600 and SAS Re: rx2600 and SAS RE: rx2600 and SAS Re: rx2600 and SAS Re: rx2600 and SAS Re: rx2600 and SAS Re: Solaris to Itanium... * Re: Storage works DAT 40 support on 7.2-1?C Re: TECO manual location, was: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu,  5 Aug 2004 15:37:55 +0200 5 From: "GWDVMS::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de> 4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)" Message-ID: <6235358@MVB.SAIC.COM>   Admittedly, I'm late.   < Looking only now at the large July 2004 ACCUWEATHER thread, H I'd like to point out that there was an earlier mention of that company F on comp.os.vms, somewhat surprisingly provoking no responses whatever.  A Take your favorite time-back machine and check out January 2000,  - for a post titled "Whatever the weather ..."    0 Oh, I see, it doesn't mention "VMS". Or does it?  C (If I remember correctly, that was about the time of Northernlight  ? folding, and I had thought then that everyone was eager for new ; 'publicly visible' VMS places. Maybe times are better now.)   M Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 201-1516/-1510, moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de M GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |    Disclaimer: No claim intended! M http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ---- <w.moeller@ieee.org>    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:41:18 GMT . From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>A Subject: Re: Bind a socket to a low port number without privilege , Message-ID: <OVpQc.38947$T_6.37250@edtnps89>  J Could you possibly publish this program  / system as another solution likeK you did with MYSQL and others along with an explanation of how to configure ! it.. This would be great to have.   C "Jean-Franois Pironne" <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote in message , news:cenleb$v4r$1@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr... > Mark Daniel wrote: >  > > Craig A. Berry wrote:  > > / > >> In article <410e8c8e@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, : > >>  "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com> wrote: > >> > >>H > >>> You can't install shearable image with privileges (image activator > >>> will drop  > >>> all privileges).> > >>> For this you need to write a user writen system service. > >> > >> > >>H > >> Oops.  Thanks for the reminder.  The UWSS does seem like the robust > >> way to go.  > >  > > J > > That wasn't exactly what I meant (though the post is poorly composed).C > > Obviously you can have a privileged image linked to and using a K > > shareable image, but from memory the shareable image must be INSTALLed, F > > not with privileges, just INSTALLed.  The executable image has theH > > INSTALLed privileges and enables/disables them as required.  Can VMSE > > Perl easily access the $SETPRV service?  I agree with the general F > > consensus that Perl is too big a bag of functionality to trust any > > distance at all. >  > Thanks to all. > F > Finally I have thought that the best solution is to write a simple C program K > which just proxy port 25 to any other high number port, then I will setup  the , > PERL program to read from this other port. > B > I would be great if it was possible to put an ACL on an IP port. > : > Anyway the progam work nicely, after a few running days: >  > SYSTEM Statistics * > ASSP Proxy Uptime: 1.007 days 4.312 days+ > Total SMTP Connections received: 243 1096 2 > Total relay attempts rejected: 1 (0.4%) 2 (0.2%) > MESSAGE HANDLING Statistics > > Messages Processed: 240 (238.4 per day) 1037 (240.5 per day) > Spams Rejected: 120 650 5 > Spams passed-thru due to 'SPAMLOVER' exception: 0 0  > Local Mails: 0 2 > Viruses Blocked: 1 6 > Viruses Detected: 0 0  > Spam Bombs Blocked: 0 0 $ > Mail From Whitelisted Senders: 0 48 > Percentage of non-local mail that is spam: 49.8% 62.7% >  >  > Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 15:58:43 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> 0 Subject: Re: hp DeskJet 5850W PS printing on VMS* Message-ID: <ceteej$7an$1@news.tudelft.nl>   GreyCloud wrote: >  >  > Marty Kuhrt wrote: > A >> My wife just bought an hp DeskJet 5850W printer, which we have D >> plugged into the home network.  I see from the DCPS SPD that thisD >> isn't a supported printer.  I set up a Multinet NLP queue and canC >> print straight text documents just fine.  What I'd like to do is B >> be able to print PS docs, too, but I don't know of this printerC >> supports that.  All of the technical documents I found on the hp 9 >> site for this printer lacked that information as well.  >>D >> So my question is, has anyone gotten this printer to work with PS >> files from VMS? >  > > > It's PCL level 3.  The specs don't show it to be PS capable. > B So ghostscript will help you out, since it can transform PS to PCL* Find pointer to ghostscript on my web-page(     http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms              Jouk    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:44:56 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>0 Subject: Re: hp DeskJet 5850W PS printing on VMS0 Message-ID: <rYSdne1Z7OYA_o_cRVn-ug@bresnan.com>   JOUKJ wrote:   > GreyCloud wrote: >  >> >> >> Marty Kuhrt wrote:  >>B >>> My wife just bought an hp DeskJet 5850W printer, which we haveE >>> plugged into the home network.  I see from the DCPS SPD that this E >>> isn't a supported printer.  I set up a Multinet NLP queue and can D >>> print straight text documents just fine.  What I'd like to do isC >>> be able to print PS docs, too, but I don't know of this printer D >>> supports that.  All of the technical documents I found on the hp: >>> site for this printer lacked that information as well. >>> E >>> So my question is, has anyone gotten this printer to work with PS  >>> files from VMS?  >> >> >>? >> It's PCL level 3.  The specs don't show it to be PS capable.  >>D > So ghostscript will help you out, since it can transform PS to PCL, > Find pointer to ghostscript on my web-page) >    http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms  >  >           Jouk >   H I'll have to download ghostscript for my vax.  I haven't gotten a round  tuit yet to do that yet.   --  ! ---------------------------------  My other computer is a VAX.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2004 07:12:38 -0700 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)? Subject: Linux Patents infrigment = Good oportunities for Tru64 = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0408050612.5d3c5f79@posting.google.com>   	 Read this   c http://news.com.com/Munich+halts+biggest-ever+Linux+migration/2100-7344_3-5298060.html?tag=nefd.top   B "The biggest-ever Windows-to-Linux migration--the city of Munich'sD 14,000 desktops--has been put on ice while legal issues are settled.  @ The switch has been temporarily suspended over fears incoming EU= legislation could cause the city a huge patent headache. Jens C Muehlhaus, Munich's pro-Linux, Green Party alderman, has spotted 50 F potential patent problems. Until they've been sorted, the migration is on hold. (...)"    C May be its a good oportunity to improve the Tru64/HP-UX migration. > If Sun will transform Solaris x86 into Linux (its a kinda way to abandon Sparc.   F I allways tought that SCO settlement had a "bit" of reason with these @ Linux Patent problems !  Linux is just a clone of Unix using its similar architecture.    []s  
 Fabio Cardoso    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:30:31 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> C Subject: Re: Linux Patents infrigment = Good oportunities for Tru64 0 Message-ID: <cetjqq$q98$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > Read this  >=20J > http://news.com.com/Munich+halts+biggest-ever+Linux+migration/2100-7344= _3-5298060.html?tag=3Dnefd.top >=20D > "The biggest-ever Windows-to-Linux migration--the city of Munich'sF > 14,000 desktops--has been put on ice while legal issues are settled. >=20B > The switch has been temporarily suspended over fears incoming EU? > legislation could cause the city a huge patent headache. Jens E > Muehlhaus, Munich's pro-Linux, Green Party alderman, has spotted 50 H > potential patent problems. Until they've been sorted, the migration is
 > on hold. > (...)" >=20 >=20G > May be it=B4s a good oportunity to improve the Tru64/HP-UX migration. B > If Sun will transform Solaris x86 into Linux (it=B4s a kinda way > to abandon Sparc.  >=20  8 Solaris x86 is already very comparable to Linux in terms= of cost assuming you are a commercial org and require support  as most people do.  > It is somewhat more capable than any of the current Linux OE's; and this lead will extend considerably when Solaris 10 hits  the streets.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:33:55 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)1 Subject: looking for used DEC hardware in England $ Message-ID: <cesrdj$6id$2@online.de>  G Just in case anyone missed my post in comp.sys.dec, I'll be in England  G next week and am interested in giving used DEC hardware a good home in  I my hobbyist cluster.  I'm especially interested in 8-bit (SCSI-1 or fast  E narrow SCSI-2) SBB disks and BA-353 (pizza box) enclosures.  Also of  I interest are fast, small ALPHAs and colour monitors which will work with  I a VAXstation 4000 or an early ALPHA (cable with three fat plugs).  (I am  I assuming that if I run out of monitors for modern ALPHAs, then I can use  9 a "standard PC" monitor.  I've never tried this, though.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:57:25 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> 5 Subject: Re: looking for used DEC hardware in England 0 Message-ID: <411220A5.30209@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: I > Just in case anyone missed my post in comp.sys.dec, I'll be in England  I > next week and am interested in giving used DEC hardware a good home in  K > my hobbyist cluster.  I'm especially interested in 8-bit (SCSI-1 or fast  G > narrow SCSI-2) SBB disks and BA-353 (pizza box) enclosures.  Also of  K > interest are fast, small ALPHAs and colour monitors which will work with  K > a VAXstation 4000 or an early ALPHA (cable with three fat plugs).  (I am  K > assuming that if I run out of monitors for modern ALPHAs, then I can use  ; > a "standard PC" monitor.  I've never tried this, though.) E You are right. I have a "standard" PC-monitor on one of my XP1000's.  E When installing I had to play a little with the refresh rates of the   monitor but it works.                        Jouk >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:58:01 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> 5 Subject: Re: looking for used DEC hardware in England 2 Message-ID: <411220C9.2070609@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: I > Just in case anyone missed my post in comp.sys.dec, I'll be in England  I > next week and am interested in giving used DEC hardware a good home in  K > my hobbyist cluster.  I'm especially interested in 8-bit (SCSI-1 or fast  G > narrow SCSI-2) SBB disks and BA-353 (pizza box) enclosures.  Also of  K > interest are fast, small ALPHAs and colour monitors which will work with  K > a VAXstation 4000 or an early ALPHA (cable with three fat plugs).  (I am  K > assuming that if I run out of monitors for modern ALPHAs, then I can use  ; > a "standard PC" monitor.  I've never tried this, though.) E You are right. I have a "standard" PC-monitor on one of my XP1000's.  E When installing I had to play a little with the refresh rates of the   monitor but it works.                        Jouk >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:30:53 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>5 Subject: Re: looking for used DEC hardware in England + Message-ID: <cet99u$sbm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   ] "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote in message  news:cesrdj$6id$2@online.de...    R > Also of interest are fast, small ALPHAs and colour monitors which will work withJ > a VAXstation 4000 or an early ALPHA (cable with three fat plugs).  (I amJ > assuming that if I run out of monitors for modern ALPHAs, then I can use; > a "standard PC" monitor.  I've never tried this, though.)   M Generally, I've found that any decent modern monitor will work with an modern S Alpha, and the graphics card tends to be well documented with regard to resolution,  refresh rate etc.   H Old sync-on-green colour monitors can be a minefield though. They aren'tK necessarily interchangeable, even among machines within the VAXstation 4000  series.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:43:26 +1000  From: HUMBUG <humbug@bit.bucket>% Subject: Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad , Message-ID: <ei89u1-2pa.ln1@deep.bit.bucket>  X On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:34:37 -0500, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Wrote : <snip>   > 0 > How to de-mung the reply-to should be obvious.  F Of course - I would've included the fact that the username is forsythmE and it's at optushome.com.au if I hadn't been so quick in hitting "y"  to send....    >  > D.J.D.     --     Humbug   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:52:50 +1000  From: HUMBUG <humbug@bit.bucket>% Subject: Re: OT: Pretty good Linux ad , Message-ID: <2499u1-2pa.ln1@deep.bit.bucket>  D On 4 Aug 2004 13:29:53 -0700, Benito <benitos@stcc.cc.tx.us> Wrote :   <snip> > / > I would like to see it. benitos@stcc.cc.tx.us   D After gzipping it it's still 2.7 meg. and too big for the Optus mail- servers to deal with aparently.... It's at :- ; http://members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/RunLinspire.swf.gz      --     Humbug   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:53:41 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 7 Subject: RE: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks! R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3DF487@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net]=20 > Sent: August 4, 2004 9:38 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 > Subject: Re: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks!  >=20  
 [..snip..]  @ > With the re-emergence of non-M$ browsers and other products, ID > anticipate a change in the "environment" that will probably happenC > slowly, and will not be an "IE killer" - it will just require web F > developers to look beyond Redmond in order to maximize the return on, > their efforts and development investments. >=20 > D.J.D.  F Well, with org's such as CERT recommending Customers no longer use IE,D it may help to speed developers plans to test their pages with other	 browsers.   
 Reference:F http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/28/cert_ditch_explorer/ (June 28, 2004) $ "CERT recommends anything but IE"=20  F "A statement on the CERT site said: "There are a number of significantG vulnerabilities in technologies relating to the IE domain/zone security G model, the DHTML object model, MIME type determination, and ActiveX. It B is possible to reduce exposure to these vulnerabilities by using aF different web browser, especially when browsing untrusted sites." CERTG otherwise recommends users to set security settings to high and disable  JavaScript"   H Fwiw, I use Opera (V7.53 current) exclusively and only fire up IE when IH absolutely have to. Most times I just ignore sites if Opera can not read it.=20     Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2004 13:02:56 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)7 Subject: Re: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks! ) Message-ID: <2nepfvF32tuU1@uni-berlin.de>   R In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3DF487@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,* 	"Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes: > H > Well, with org's such as CERT recommending Customers no longer use IE,F > it may help to speed developers plans to test their pages with other > browsers.   F Don't get your hopes up.  For example, this place is in the process ofH forcing people into using IE rather than any alternative (the "official"D browser here for years was Netscape) by making sure the University'sD webpages and all the web-based local admin programs (Banner, Oracle)C only work with IE.  This place is not atypical.  MS has a strangle- ? hold on the industry and it isn't going to change anytime soon.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:38:40 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: Re: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks! , Message-ID: <HqSdncEckcf0pY_cRVn-qw@igs.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: >> >> David J Dachtera wrote:% >>> VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >>>>B >>>> In article <d7791aa1.0408040659.216e8c28@posting.google.com>,/ >>>> bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  >>>>>  >>L http://www.cxotoday.com/cxo/jsp/index.jsp?section=News&subsection=Business&s0 ubsection_code=1&file=template1.jsp&storyid=1297 >>>>/ >>>> ... all I get is a banner ad for Symantec.  >>> 9 >>> (Cue: the usual blather about non-standard browsers.)  >>> 
 >>> D.J.D. >>D >> I think we have to get used to the idea that some massively largeF >> number of web developers use IE as their reference browser and testC >> on ZERO others. This disturbs me as well, but the bottom line is G >> that it indicative of the target audience for the content.  It might > >> also indicate that the IT managers responsible for said webG >> development believe certain truths that might, in fact, not be true.  > G > The truth is that M$ is de-facto standard, not an "industry" standard C > (that is, it is not required by any specifications negotiated and 2 > accepted industry wide - it is ubiquitous only). > H >> In any case, the web-page in question reads fine on IE 6.x as well as@ >> FireFox 0.9.1, Mozilla 1.7 and Opera 7.23 and for this test I >> upgraded to? >> 7.53 which also works.  I use AdExtinguisher service for add G >> blocking and MyIE2 instead of standard IE, all running on Win2K.  So F >> I think that the web page in question is probably better than most. >> YMMV. > @ > With the re-emergence of non-M$ browsers and other products, ID > anticipate a change in the "environment" that will probably happenC > slowly, and will not be an "IE killer" - it will just require web F > developers to look beyond Redmond in order to maximize the return on, > their efforts and development investments. >  > D.J.D.  K All it takes is for some keynote speakers at conferences where CIO's attend K to stand up and say, "With all the problems Internet Explorer has, more and K more of your customers are turning towards using other web browsers to surf I your web sites. You, as CIO's, must ensure that you do not alienate those L customers and potential customers by having your web pages display poorly orL not at all. For that reason alone you should insist in all your internal webK development, and in the contracts for all out-sourced web development, that 8 your web pages successfully comply with the standards at http://validator.w3.org."      T    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 15:15:14 GMT 5 From: Bruno Saverio Delbono <bruno.s.delbono@mail.ac> 7 Subject: Re: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks! + Message-ID: <6asQc.15767$M95.7002@pd7tw1no>    Main, Kerry wrote:  J > Fwiw, I use Opera (V7.53 current) exclusively and only fire up IE when IJ > absolutely have to. Most times I just ignore sites if Opera can not read > it.    Then you must know about:   E On 04-Feb-2003 GreyMagic released an advisory [1] concerning Opera's  F security model in v7.0. The advisory depicted several flaws in Opera'sC model, one of them allowed for an attacker to overwrite native and  G custom functions in a victim window. When the victim web-page executed  I such function, the attacker's code executed with the victim's privileges.   @ Opera tried to prevent such scenarios in Opera 7.01, by blocking- write-access to objects on the victim window.   : [1] http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm002-op/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:50:33 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 7 Subject: RE: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks! 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKECFDKAA.tom@kednos.com>    < -----Original Message-----> < From: Bruno Saverio Delbono [mailto:bruno.s.delbono@mail.ac]) < Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:15 AM  < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 < Subject: Re: Playwin says VMS gets NO viruses or hacks!  <  <  < Main, Kerry wrote: < L < > Fwiw, I use Opera (V7.53 current) exclusively and only fire up IE when IL < > absolutely have to. Most times I just ignore sites if Opera can not read < > it.  <  < Then you must know about:  < F < On 04-Feb-2003 GreyMagic released an advisory [1] concerning Opera'sH < security model in v7.0. The advisory depicted several flaws in Opera'sD < model, one of them allowed for an attacker to overwrite native andH < custom functions in a victim window. When the victim web-page executedK < such function, the attacker's code executed with the victim's privileges.  < B < Opera tried to prevent such scenarios in Opera 7.01, by blocking/ < write-access to objects on the victim window.  < < < [1] http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm002-op/  = I looked at that advisory, which 3-FEB-2003.  Is this still a > problem in the latest release, 7.54?  I couldn't find anything on their site.   <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B < Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2004 00:08:49 -0700 - From: pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis) ( Subject: Re: Qt ready for OpenVMS Alpha.= Message-ID: <e54adf36.0408042308.2e3f8793@posting.google.com>   D I cannot seem to find a followup post with the link to retrieve this? port. Is there a particular place where this port to OpenVMS is  placed?   
 Kind regards,  Petros ---  Petros Dafniotis, PhD  Senior Research Engineer    i gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen) wrote in message news:<bdc65a53.0407290257.3d1380e0@posting.google.com>... + > So where can we download Qt-free for VMS?  > g > avs@ntmk.ru (Andrey Savin) wrote in message news:<1e9bf32b.0407282102.16ba10ce@posting.google.com>... ? > > I'm done make the port Qt-free-3.2.1 (including libs Expat, ) > > Fontconfig, Freetype2, Xtf, Xrender). I > > I compiled with Compaq C V6.5-001 and Compaq C V6.5-004 OpenVMS Alpha  > > V7.3-1.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:59:19 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>( Subject: Re: Qt ready for OpenVMS Alpha.B Message-ID: <4111f6e7$0$28840$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Petros Dafniotis wrote: F > I cannot seem to find a followup post with the link to retrieve thisA > port. Is there a particular place where this port to OpenVMS is 	 > placed?  >  > Kind regards,  > Petros > ---  > Petros Dafniotis, PhD  > Senior Research Engineer  
 Hi Petros,  > I believe Andrey intends to release Qt-free for OpenVMS at the> Troll Tech "Qt-free" Site. The following posts support this...  @ Andrey Savin announces he's porting Qt-free-3.2.1 from TrolltechV http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=96faaf36.0312240232.11c885f7%40posting.google.com  A Qt-Free for OpenVMS will available from Troll Tech "Qt-free" Site V http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=96faaf36.0401042120.3493a443%40posting.google.com    = Therefore the code at least should eventually show up here... . http://bips.bi.ehu.es/prj/qt/dl/qtfree-dl.html   But, I don't see it yet.  G Also the OS Compatibility Chart has not yet been updated for OpenVMS... ' http://bips.bi.ehu.es/prj/qt/platforms/      Also good to know...@ Qt - was ported to OpenVMS for the Process Visualization Browser( http://pvbrowser.org/pvbrowser/index.php    ! Some more interesting Qt Links...   9 PyQwt - fast and easy data plotting with Numerical Python   http://gerard.vermeulen.free.fr/= Qwt User's Guide: Qwt - Qt Widgets for Technical Applications  http://qwt.sourceforge.net/ & The ProcessView Handbook: Installation4 http://pvbrowser.sourceforge.net/manual/index-2.html Trolltech - Product FAQ - Qt< http://www.trolltech.com/developer/faqs/product_desktop.html Trolltech - Qt Overview / http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/index.html      Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg - IBM Business Services GmbH - Hanover, Germany    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:44:17 -0400 % From: Sarah Page <sarah.page@sas.com>  Subject: Questions About ICC8 Message-ID: <hjg2h0t8n7vcf6l52udt1ghhcf25qrim84@4ax.com>  F I am trying the ICC system service stuff (under OpenVMS 7.2-1) out for: the first time and noone else at my site has ever used it.  E 1) I have a multi-threaded server and would like to convert it to use F ICC (instead of mailboxes).  I see that ICC relies heavily on ASTs andF am a little leary because of the constraints / recommendations against* mixing kernel threads and ASTs.  Comments?  E 2) I am perplexed (and hopefully not missing something obvious) about F how my application is to know the connection handle of an association.F I.e., the server opens the assocation and the handle over which it canC read from and write to the client is not known until the connection D AST is hit.  Where is the connection AST supposed to put that handleA so that the rest of the server (including individual threads) can B access it?  Since this is a multi-threaded and very multi-cliented? server, global storage is not ideal -- especially since I can't F implement locking from an AST.  I am trying to avoid the use of an ASTA to receive data from the client, so I've got to know that handle.   D 3) My server uses SYS$CREPRC() to create a detached process, which IE subsequently send commands to and sometimes collect output from.  The F image specified is SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE so that the process will beD under the control of a CLI.  For the input and output args I used to@ specify mailbox devices, but now I want to use ICC so that I canF launch (and communicate with) processes on other nodes in the cluster.B I am baffled about what to use for those parameters - I have triedE both the logical name that I specify in the OPEN_ASSOC() call and the ; assocation name, and also the association name preceeded by  <node_name>:: ?   D 4) Where can I find more doc about ICC?  I have found one chapter inD the Programming Concepts Manual, one section in the System Manager'sE Manual, and then the individual system service routines are of course E doc'd in the System Services Manual.  Programming examples in C would  be outstanding right now.   ! Thanks in advance for your input,   
 Sarah Page sarah.page@sas.com   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:14:19 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)' Subject: Re: RENAME MULTIPLES USERNAMES . Message-ID: <cetfbr$nt0$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  } da2341@cedar.ca.sbc.com writes in article <04080415544454_11096@cedar.ca.sbc.com> dated Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:54:44 -0700 (PDT): ; >Doe anyone has a dcl command procedure to rename multiple  % >usernames and eache users directory?   I I have one which takes 3 arguments -- old username, new username, and new J temporary password.  It renames the user, directory, and DECnet proxy; and also sets mail forwarding.    K It's completely non-interactive, so you could invoke it multiple times from G a master command procedure to rename multiple users.  If you think this 0 would be useful to you, I can send you a copy.    0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:57:49 -0700 (PDT) From: da2341@cedar.ca.sbc.com ' Subject: Re: RENAME MULTIPLES USERNAMES 3 Message-ID: <04080508574930_12DB6@cedar.ca.sbc.com>    keith,  6 I would really appreciate if you could send me a copy.   Thanks  
 David Alvarez    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2004 04:12:58 -0700 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: rx2600 and SAS = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0408050312.6cf42480@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEBKDKAA.tom@kednos.com>...? > SAS was originally written in PL/I and I think they still run C > that version om IBM and that was also the same they ran on VAXen, & > but don't know what they use on AXP. >  > < -----Original Message-----> > < From: Patrick Young [mailto:patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU], > < Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:47 PM > < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > < Subject: rx2600 and SAS  > <  > < 8 > < Someone just came and parked an rx2600 in my office. > < ; > < They are a SAS user. Is SAS going to be supported under  > < VMS on Itanium?  > < : > < I expect they will be running Window(tm) otherwise, or, > < until such time as they can run VMS/SAS. > < ; > < I didn't order the eval VMS Itanium kit. Can I download ! > < a CDROM image from somewhere?  > <  > < Many thanks. > <  > < --- * > < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> > < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).D > < Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 > <  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004  P I remember scheduling some SAS jobs in graphical printers (4 colors x matricial)6 a long time ago (about 16 years), running in IBM 370. A May be the better platform to run SAS is Pocket PC nowadays ! :-) H I worked in a Geology Research company and they had all that math stuff:H SAS, Statistica, Statgraphs, Mathcad or Mathematica (I dont remember) !    Fabio C.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:10:26 +1000 3 From: Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU>  Subject: Re: rx2600 and SAS ) Message-ID: <2neq48F3merU1@uni-berlin.de>    Tom Linden wrote:   ? > SAS was originally written in PL/I and I think they still run C > that version om IBM and that was also the same they ran on VAXen, & > but don't know what they use on AXP.  F We are using SAS on Window(tm), OpenVMS Alpha and Tru64 at the moment. SAS 9.   PROC SETINIT RELEASE='9.1'; 9 SITE=xxxxxxxx OSNAME='VMS_AXP' RECREATE WARN=30  GRACE=30   % The banking and Finance folk love it.w  > Playing about with the rx2600 today. Nice. What would be nicer; is if someone could point me in the direction of an OpenVMS= eval download.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:24:12 -0400o4 From: David R. Beatty <QWDavidER.TYBeattyUI@sas.com> Subject: Re: rx2600 and SASd8 Message-ID: <3k94h0hekko80sttbocbfulth6335q5mpq@4ax.com>  1 On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:46:37 +1000, Patrick Youngo& <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> wrote:  5 >Someone just came and parked an rx2600 in my office.y > 8 >They are a SAS user. Is SAS going to be supported under >VMS on Itanium? >k7 >I expect they will be running Window(tm) otherwise, orl) >until such time as they can run VMS/SAS.e >t8 >I didn't order the eval VMS Itanium kit. Can I download >a CDROM image from somewhere? >E
 >Many thanks.N       Patrick,  '     Send me a private e-mail at addresse( firstnameDOTlastnameATsasDOTcom and I'll address your question.   David Beatty SAS Institute, Inc.x   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:03:21 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>S Subject: Re: rx2600 and SASo8 Message-ID: <g3f4h0peh9jguj2rnoucs3c9rv5ra7nr7p@4ax.com>  1 On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:10:26 +1000, Patrick YoungO& <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> wrote:   >Tom Linden wrote: >c@ >> SAS was originally written in PL/I and I think they still runD >> that version om IBM and that was also the same they ran on VAXen,' >> but don't know what they use on AXP.n >tG >We are using SAS on Window(tm), OpenVMS Alpha and Tru64 at the moment.y >SAS 9.  >- >PROC SETINIT RELEASE='9.1';: >SITE=xxxxxxxx OSNAME='VMS_AXP' RECREATE WARN=30  GRACE=30 >1& >The banking and Finance folk love it. >e? >Playing about with the rx2600 today. Nice. What would be nicern< >is if someone could point me in the direction of an OpenVMS >eval download.   O There is no evaluation copy to download but you can purchase for $75 a Software ; Developers Kit with all compilers & other layered products.sT http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/integrity-ready.html  L The current V8.1 SDK is about to be superseded by one based on V8.2 EFT with! many additional layered products.'     -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azury   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:54:22 -0400e4 From: David R. Beatty <QWDavidER.TYBeattyUI@sas.com> Subject: Re: rx2600 and SASb8 Message-ID: <8bb4h01jo8fu9nht5ro0nerv52esqb5knh@4ax.com>  @ On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:51:18 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  > >SAS was originally written in PL/I and I think they still runB >that version om IBM and that was also the same they ran on VAXen,% >but don't know what they use on AXP.u >0 >< -----Original Message-----A= >< From: Patrick Young [mailto:patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU] + >< Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:47 PM- >< To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >< Subject: rx2600 and SAS >< i >< i7 >< Someone just came and parked an rx2600 in my office.h >< L: >< They are a SAS user. Is SAS going to be supported under >< VMS on Itanium? >< t9 >< I expect they will be running Window(tm) otherwise, ore+ >< until such time as they can run VMS/SAS.r >< 3: >< I didn't order the eval VMS Itanium kit. Can I download  >< a CDROM image from somewhere? >< 8 >< Many thanks.. ><   >< ---) >< Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.m= >< Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).iC >< Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004s ><   >---' >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.s; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).mA >Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004        Tom,  7     SAS was converted to C many years ago, even for theo
 mainframe.   David R. Beatty  SAS Institute, Inc.g   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:15:43 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: rx2600 and SASe9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICECCDKAA.tom@kednos.com>a   < -----Original Message-----* < From: Nigel Barker [mailto:nigel@hp.com]) < Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 7:03 AM  < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como < Subject: Re: rx2600 and SASt <  < 3 < On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:10:26 +1000, Patrick Youngi( < <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> wrote: <  < >Tom Linden wrote: < >aB < >> SAS was originally written in PL/I and I think they still runF < >> that version om IBM and that was also the same they ran on VAXen,) < >> but don't know what they use on AXP.a < > I < >We are using SAS on Window(tm), OpenVMS Alpha and Tru64 at the moment.y	 < >SAS 9.Y < >S < >PROC SETINIT RELEASE='9.1';< < >SITE=xxxxxxxx OSNAME='VMS_AXP' RECREATE WARN=30  GRACE=30 < > ( < >The banking and Finance folk love it. < >0A < >Playing about with the rx2600 today. Nice. What would be nicer8> < >is if someone could point me in the direction of an OpenVMS < >eval download.u < C < There is no evaluation copy to download but you can purchase for 1 < $75 a Software= < Developers Kit with all compilers & other layered products.    All? Well, with some compilers.o  D < http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/in < tegrity-ready.html < A < The current V8.1 SDK is about to be superseded by one based on . < V8.2 EFT withj# < many additional layered products.  <  <  < -- < Nigel Barker! < Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurr <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B < Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 <  ---o& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 15:24:26 GMTt! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>h Subject: Re: rx2600 and SASa8 Message-ID: <trj4h0t4lt80o19p3rc8eghsaa2tfpe6mg@4ax.com>  G On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:15:43 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:l  D >< There is no evaluation copy to download but you can purchase for  >< $75 a Software > >< Developers Kit with all compilers & other layered products. >a  >All? Well, with some compilers.  P OK, it ships with C, Fortran, COBOL & Macro32 plus you can download C++, BASIC &O Pascal as they weren't available when the CDs were mastered. That's pretty mucheI all the compilers. Don't tell me you only wanted PL/1 as that isn't being>
 ported:-).   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurt   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:33:31 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>w Subject: RE: rx2600 and SAS 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICECEDKAA.tom@kednos.com>i   < -----Original Message-----* < From: Nigel Barker [mailto:nigel@hp.com]) < Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:24 AMo < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt < Subject: Re: rx2600 and SAS. <  < I < On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:15:43 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:d < F < >< There is no evaluation copy to download but you can purchase for  < >< $75 a Softwarei@ < >< Developers Kit with all compilers & other layered products. < >c" < >All? Well, with some compilers. < = < OK, it ships with C, Fortran, COBOL & Macro32 plus you can o < download C++, BASIC &h? < Pascal as they weren't available when the CDs were mastered. m < That's pretty muchK < all the compilers. Don't tell me you only wanted PL/1 as that isn't beingo < ported:-).   Stay tuned..   <  < -- < Nigel Barker! < Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur  <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B < Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 15:53:34 GMTy! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>b Subject: Re: rx2600 and SASs8 Message-ID: <7tl4h0t03qurntn42h2lf4ucincedob9mn@4ax.com>  G On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:33:31 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:h> >< OK, it ships with C, Fortran, COBOL & Macro32 plus you can  >< download C++, BASIC &@ >< Pascal as they weren't available when the CDs were mastered.  >< That's pretty much L >< all the compilers. Don't tell me you only wanted PL/1 as that isn't being
 >< ported:-).o >i >Stay tuned.  M <sheepish grin> Just saw your email address. I guess that you know more abouth) this than I do. There is ADA to come too.e   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurs   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:07:00 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>1 Subject: RE: rx2600 and SASH9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIIECGDKAA.tom@kednos.com>n   < -----Original Message-----* < From: Nigel Barker [mailto:nigel@hp.com]) < Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:54 AMu < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: < Subject: Re: rx2600 and SASn <  < I < On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:33:31 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:a@ < >< OK, it ships with C, Fortran, COBOL & Macro32 plus you can  < >< download C++, BASIC &B < >< Pascal as they weren't available when the CDs were mastered.  < >< That's pretty mucheC < >< all the compilers. Don't tell me you only wanted PL/1 as that a
 < isn't beingh < >< ported:-).h < >n < >Stay tuned. < @ < <sheepish grin> Just saw your email address. I guess that you  < know more aboutU+ < this than I do. There is ADA to come too.   ? The collective investment in PL/I code on VMS is very large ando is widely used in defense apps.n   <  < -- < Nigel Barker! < Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurn <  < ---o( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B < Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 <  ---h& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2004 16:36:55 GMTT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: rx2600 and SASH) Message-ID: <2nf617F832cU1@uni-berlin.de>   8 In article <7tl4h0t03qurntn42h2lf4ucincedob9mn@4ax.com>,$ 	Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes: > + >                 There is ADA to come too.n  
 Not from HP!!n   bill   -- CJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:59:16 GMT)! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>o Subject: Re: rx2600 and SASH8 Message-ID: <cop4h05vdbda13n2f60dj02c89522r4ngu@4ax.com>  E On 5 Aug 2004 16:36:55 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:   9 >In article <7tl4h0t03qurntn42h2lf4ucincedob9mn@4ax.com>,.% >	Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:  >> a, >>                 There is ADA to come too. >s >Not from HP!!  L So? To quote from the notes accompanying the OpenVMS Roadmaps presentation:-  L The base of Ada users has been declining over the past years and although weP will continue to support the Ada compiler on OpenVMS for many years, the productP transitioned to Mature Product Support in 12/99.  This means that customers willO not be paying for new versions but can pay to ensure that they get the requiredt support they need.  P The latest Ada standard is called Ada 95.  Since the decision to not support theN Ada 95 standard within our own product, we have partnered with a company in NYM called Applied Core Technology (ACT) who produce an Ada 95 compliant product,h GNAT for OpenVMS Alpha.o   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurp   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2004 17:08:38 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: rx2600 and SASa) Message-ID: <2nf7slF8eejU1@uni-berlin.de>   8 In article <cop4h05vdbda13n2f60dj02c89522r4ngu@4ax.com>,$ 	Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:G > On 5 Aug 2004 16:36:55 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:L > : >>In article <7tl4h0t03qurntn42h2lf4ucincedob9mn@4ax.com>,& >>	Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes: >>> - >>>                 There is ADA to come too.  >> >>Not from HP!!y >  > So?   ? So.....  As has been stated here the last time this subject wasr> discussed, all the DOD applications that were certified under D ADA on VMS were not certified with GNAT.  If they have to be re-doneB and re-certified anyway, why would anyone choose to do it using anB inferior product like GNAT just to stay on VMS?  So there goes yet another class of customers.   O >      To quote from the notes accompanying the OpenVMS Roadmaps presentation:-v > N > The base of Ada users has been declining over the past years and although weR > will continue to support the Ada compiler on OpenVMS for many years, the productR > transitioned to Mature Product Support in 12/99.  This means that customers willQ > not be paying for new versions but can pay to ensure that they get the requiredd > support they need. > R > The latest Ada standard is called Ada 95.  Since the decision to not support theP > Ada 95 standard within our own product, we have partnered with a company in NYO > called Applied Core Technology (ACT) who produce an Ada 95 compliant product,r > GNAT for OpenVMS Alpha.   H If it were not for the fact that PL/1 comes from a company other than HP9 it very likely would also have seen the end of it's life.    bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:51:02 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Solaris to Itanium...0 Message-ID: <87fz71dibd.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  3 keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:j  f > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<877jsjsefg.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>...: >> rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  F >> > If Itanium turns out to be "good enough" in performance, and alsoD >> > profitable for Intel and the system makers, and the systems run4 >> > VMS, then I'll be satisfied with the situation.  i# >> Read Bob Caldwells talk on that.   A > Paul, could you provide a reference? In a Google search on "Bob 4 > Caldwell" and "Itanium" I found only this article:A > http://www.computer.org/computer/homepage/0104/random/index.htm9  D Keith, it is on the talk he gave at Stanford, soon after he retired.5 I (should) have a copy, I'll see if I can dig it out.i   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.i@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2004 04:30:43 -0700F% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)a3 Subject: Re: Storage works DAT 40 support on 7.2-1?g= Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0408050330.7afa9994@posting.google.com>n  e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<411140CA.DB7FD076@comcast.net>...s > Tom Adams wrote: > > G > > I just bought a new DS10 and it came with a HP Storage works DAT 40p > > HotPlug  > > tape drive.g > > ! > > Can it be used on  VMS 7.2-1?  > > I > > The tape drive does not show up when I boot from a 7.2-1 CD.  It doese* > > show up when I boot from the 7.3-2 CD. > > E > > The HP web site for the drive does not list a driver for anything 
 > > before > > 7.3. > > C > > I wonder if there is a patch, driver, or work around for 7.2-1.s > D > Well, V7.2 pre-dates hp by a good margin. How goes it with V7.3-1?  % The tape drive is supported on 7.3-1.6   > H > ...and is there anything tying you V7.2-1? Can you upgrade VMS without > breaking anything?   >  > D.J.D.  E I have 3rd party software that I need to explore.  That could lock mea= to 7.2-1 or I might need get upgrades.  I am going to have too	 scramble.y  D The idea that you can buy a new Alpha and have it work on an earlierF version of VMS is a bit of crock.  You have to check on each board andD component that they send with it.  One of the boards required 7.2-2.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:30:48 +020033 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>oL Subject: Re: TECO manual location, was: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS* Message-ID: <2nedbfFv4pqvU1@uni-berlin.de>  + On 2004-08-04 20:12, "Simon Clubley" wrote:a   > [...]4 > 6 > The TECO manual is available from the HP website at: > B > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/teco.pdf > F > but Warren does not appear to currently have it in the documentation > indexes for some reason. > I > (I have not actually used TECO since I moved from RSTS/E to VMS and gotrD > a decent alternative in the form of TPU; I just remember seeing it8 > indexed in the VMS documentation library at one time.)  @ The very same apparently is true for the documentation CD -- The@ "OpenVMS DCL Dictionary, A-M" (PDF file, page DCL I-222, section "Description") states:  D | For detailed information on the use of TECO, refer to the StandardG | TECO Text Editor and Corrector for the VAX, PDP-11, PDP-10, and PDP-8e1 | manual (available on the Documentation CD-ROM). /           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^b  ? But I can't find that manual there (V7.3 and 7.3-2 as well) ...l   Michaelr   -- n; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:38:52 GMT|3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)l( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems2 Message-ID: <wTpQc.7300$j84.2479@news.cpqcorp.net>  - In article <411007E2.9000308@tsoft-inc.com>, d* David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  5 >As for nefarious activity, it's possible anywhere...h  D I would agrue that history shows is "nefarious activity" is not onlyC "possible" in politics, ut probably to the point of near certainty.   C I would argue from my personal knowledge of computers and of paper  D that "nefarious activity" is much more difficult to conceal when theC underlying data is on paper than when it is in an electronic media.(   -- uJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:43:15 GMT>3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)e( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems2 Message-ID: <DXpQc.7301$j84.2310@news.cpqcorp.net>  / In article <KzWPc.24120$cv5.12656@lakeread07>, t2 "Glen Thompson" <glen.thompson@cox.netnet> writes:  H >How about a system that uses the screen for the transaction, then afterF >the voter confirms their vote, prints their vote on a receipt printerH >with a carbon copy.  Copy is spooled up inside the machine, voter takesF >printed receipt, verifies it, and drops it in secured box on way out.A >In the event of  a recount, both paper copies can be compared int >separate recounts.   C Unnecessarily complex.  Just fill out a paper ballot to begin with.F, Have it electronically counted and retained.  & Problems with your suggestion include:  F o Not all voters -- probably not most -- will confirm that the printed-   "receipt" actually matches what they input.K  B o The reality of the polling place is that not all of the receipts(   will get dropped into the secured box.   -- fJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:52:53 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)k( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems1 Message-ID: <F4qQc.7302$j84.579@news.cpqcorp.net>E  1 In article <87n01bc6r7.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, r. Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  , >What is the `problem' that is being solved?  F The goal is to run elections that produce accurate, timely, verifiable results with minimum cost.  3 The problem is that current systems do not do this. E As in Florida 2000 and, although we hope not, possibly again in 2004.-  C Although we won't have recounts in 2004 -- at least not in distrcts D that use the Touch Screen system which cannot provide for recouts --= the accuracy and verifiability of the counts are in question.    -- aJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:18:14 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems, Message-ID: <E9KdnXjqdP423I_cRVn-vw@igs.net>   Charlie Hammond wrote:? > In article <a3c44af1.0408021152.4b86af83@posting.google.com>,e4 > dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes: > E >>          ...    In fact, I cannot think of a single way in which ad< >> computer system could cast doubt on a voters "intent" ... > C > How about a computer system that records something other than thebH > voter's "intent" (as indicated by where the voter touched the screen).A > This could be because of an unintended bug or malicious intent.-    K How about pressure sensitve floor mats tied to the voting system to capturen	 'intent'?u  = - Stand on the Red floor mat if you intend to vote RepublicanD< - Stand on the Blue floor mat if you intend to vote Democrat< - Stand on the Green floor mat if you intend to vote 'Green'< - Stand on the White floor mat if you intend to vote 'Other'D - Stand with one foot on the Red and one on the Blue mats if you are	 undecided L - Stand on the Black floor mat if you would prefer that the machine vote for. you based on the manufacturer's bias or payoff  " Sort of like 'Twister' for voting. ;-)o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:27:52 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems, Message-ID: <qsSdnU1Ig-IF24_cRVn-qw@igs.net>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:o; > In article <410FAADD.4020602@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble  > <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:o >> Charlie Hammond wrote:  >>0 >>> In article <410EEB0C.6010102@tsoft-inc.com>,. >>> David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>>o >>>eF >>>> When the computer displays the voter's entries, as seperate data,B >>>> then I really cannot see the voter doubting what the computer >>>> recorded. >>>> >>>oE >>> I suspect that almost everyone who reads this newgroup would findtF >>> it a trivial exercise to write a probram (even in DCL!) that would >>>-0 >>>     (1) Read user input -- such as "a vote".' >>>     (2) Display whatever was input.w% >>>     (3) Print whatever was input.rB >>>     (3) Write something entirely different in a file/database. >>>r >>>d >>
 >> Very true.e >>E >> But you're then suggesting that a computerized voting system wouldrF >> be wide open to hackers and such.  A recent post by Keith Cayemberg? >> suggests that lottery systems exist in a potentially hostilecB >> environment, but seem to be able to resist many of the problems4 >> you're saying would exist in computerized voting. >> > A > All the lottery systems I know of fundamentally rely on a paperh	 > system.sB > In order to claim the prize you have to have the printed lotteryD > ticket. (There is usually provision for a discretionary payment if > you have lost yourF > ticket but you would need to be very convincing as to where and when > yous4 > purchased it to get the prize without the ticket). >fC > When you pay your money you get your numbers which you can verifyb > since they  > are printed out on the ticket.G > True there is still a chance that the numbers were not transmitted too > theg > lottery backend system. F > In that case you are probably out of luck - when you win you can try > sueingA > the shop owner but you probably won't have much luck sueing the4	 > Lottery0 > operator.e- > In the UK Camelot has the following rule :-c >RE > "The promoter accepts no responsibility for the entries on the facen > of theB > ticket differing from the entries on Camelot Group plc's central > computer"p >  >hG > In a lottery the main focus is on preventing someone wrongly claimings
 > a prize.D > If someone misses out on a prize they were really entitled to then
 > thats their C > bad luck (Though the operator will try and minimise the chance ofs > that happeningC > since they don't want bad publicity they can't guarantee it won'ts
 > happen). > E > In an election everybody's vote should be counted equally and therep > should begF > no possibilty that what is on the "central computer" is not what the > voteroG > intended (ie not what was printed on the screen or on a paper receipto > whichg4 > the user was able to view to validate their vote).    F And then there is the issue of a state-wide or even just a local powerJ failure in a key state or district as polling takes place. How many UPS'esG are required to back up all the polling machines and provide sufficient J power to continue to permit polling to continue to take place and how long with each UPS last?f  G Don't forget that US presidential elections take place in November, thepK polls stay open past dark, and how many polling stations have generators totK keep the lights on to see who comes in to vote, validate their credentials,e
 and so on...?e  I And depending on how the votes are tabulated, you may have the individual H voting machines posting to intermediate systems aggregating votes at theC county or district level before posting to yet another system whichfL aggregates at a state or national level - thus many audit trails, many crossK comparisons between systems, many possibily points of failure or corruptioneJ before you know that you have tabulated correctly (assuming that you trustL an eleectronic voting machine with no paper audit trail in the first place).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:48:37 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems, Message-ID: <A7ydnXLaGZNU1Y_cRVn-qQ@igs.net>   Charlie Hammond wrote:. > In article <411007E2.9000308@tsoft-inc.com>,, > David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >a7 >> As for nefarious activity, it's possible anywhere...s >fF > I would agrue that history shows is "nefarious activity" is not onlyE > "possible" in politics, ut probably to the point of near certainty.g    ! A guy named Murphy comes to mind.        >hD > I would argue from my personal knowledge of computers and of paperF > that "nefarious activity" is much more difficult to conceal when theE > underlying data is on paper than when it is in an electronic media.c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:52:26 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems, Message-ID: <mvSdnaqtptwy1I_cRVn-rg@igs.net>   Andrew Walters wrote:i > Dave Baxter wrote:H >> Does anyone know anything about these systems, particularly about theD >> recent report (last couple of days) about voting information lostD >> when they experienced a system crash (I think it was in Florida).5 >>      Does anyone know what systems they are using? F >> and/or    Does anyone know how the OS/hardware decisions were made? >> >> Dave. >oG > If you are talking about Diebold, they're using Windows and an Access G > database with no access protection. The data is loaded onto a Compact A > Flash drive so it can be taken by the returning officer back towE > vote-smersh-central where, presumably, it is dropped into a bin andhF >   some guy puts in a predetermined number based on who paid the most! > to Diebold to buy the precinct.  >nH > California has slapped Diebold on the wrists for updating the softwareE > without telling the state (so it's uncertified and the state has nomG > idea what it now does) but unaccountably stopped short of hauling thef" > lying hounds off to the slammer. >MG > Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine. Australia solved the security andhD > verifiability problem for A$250,000 and each machine costs at mostH > A$1,000 to make. Diebold have so far raked in tens of (possibly over aD > hundred) million for their systems which are over elaborate in theD > wrong areas and under secure in the right ones. Talk about leaving > the job to rank amateurs.t    I They aren't amateurs ....they are throughly professional at dipping their5 hand into the public purse.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:53:43 GMTu3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)s( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems2 Message-ID: <XRrQc.7313$5d4.4119@news.cpqcorp.net>  - In article <E9KdnXjqdP423I_cRVn-vw@igs.net>, .% "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:s  L >How about pressure sensitve floor mats tied to the voting system to capture
 >'intent'? >.> >- Stand on the Red floor mat if you intend to vote Republican= >- Stand on the Blue floor mat if you intend to vote Democrat = >- Stand on the Green floor mat if you intend to vote 'Green'-= >- Stand on the White floor mat if you intend to vote 'Other'-E >- Stand with one foot on the Red and one on the Blue mats if you areE
 >undecidedM >- Stand on the Black floor mat if you would prefer that the machine vote forl/ >you based on the manufacturer's bias or payoffn  L Add a set of lettered mats in a QWERT layout for write-ins and you've got...  6     an absolutly hilarious image of the polling place.  & Funnier that George and John combined!   -- 7J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:54:56 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)s( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems2 Message-ID: <4TrQc.7314$5d4.3793@news.cpqcorp.net>  R In article <A7ydnXLaGZNU1Y_cRVn-qQ@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >Charlie Hammond wrote: / >> In article <411007E2.9000308@tsoft-inc.com>, - >> David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:u >>8 >>> As for nefarious activity, it's possible anywhere... >>G >> I would agrue that history shows is "nefarious activity" is not only F >> "possible" in politics, ut probably to the point of near certainty. >  > " >A guy named Murphy comes to mind.  + Murphy was an optimist.  Never forget that.i   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.431 ************************ 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004  P I remember scheduling some SAS jobs in graphical printers (4 colors x matricial)6 a long time ago (about 16 years), running in IBM 370. A May be the better platform to run SAS is Pocket PC nowadays ! :-) H I worked in a Geology Research company and they had all that math stuff:H SAS, Statistica, Statgraphs, MathcadNW"u9AtY-x18$}jזh9SWc=uaՒ~AJs6Lx*vG?PBb|9rF넹-BCOjaO>N˱Ni`u|MKSz;szKشz+)Qck.7[DNzkiaaI@oi`MKq[CFuGhix
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