1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 09 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 438       Contents:: Interesting Java app that 'ought' to be able to run on VMS Re: Questions About ICC @ Re: Stolen IP via India Outsourcing - Getting what they deserve?C Re: TECO manual location, was: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:01:42 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> C Subject: Interesting Java app that 'ought' to be able to run on VMS , Message-ID: <NOydnYg2_rRaP4vcRVn-tw@igs.net>   http://www.tomsawyer.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 00:49:40 GMT  From: Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1>  Subject: Re: Questions About ICCH Message-ID: <ESzRc.412766$Gx4.405615@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   Sarah Page wrote:   H > I am trying the ICC system service stuff (under OpenVMS 7.2-1) out for< > the first time and noone else at my site has ever used it. > [snip] > F > 4) Where can I find more doc about ICC?  I have found one chapter inF > the Programming Concepts Manual, one section in the System Manager'sG > Manual, and then the individual system service routines are of course G > doc'd in the System Services Manual.  Programming examples in C would  > be outstanding right now.  >    Example code in C.  @ http://www.eight-cubed.com/examples/framework.php?file=sys_icc.c   Regards, Jim.   --   jim AT eight DASH cubed DOT com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:30:14 -0400 3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> I Subject: Re: Stolen IP via India Outsourcing - Getting what they deserve? 0 Message-ID: <lfydnfgKwdxZfIvcRVn-uQ@comcast.com>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17700  >   > A jolly tough time, nathurally > J > By Tamlin Magee <mailto:Tamlin.Magee@theinquirer.net>: Friday 06 August 
 > 2004, 10:22  > K > *US SOFTWARE COMPANY* Jolly Technologies has reported some of its source  H > code, as well as "confidential design documents" has been stolen from G > its research and development centre in India. Apparently, the stolen  J > goods were to do with one of Jolly Technologies' "key products." Thanks F > to the thievery, all development at the centre has been temporarily 
 > stopped. > H > Jolly Technologies reckons the code and documents were sneaked out of K > the centre by a recently-hired software engineer. Supposedly, she used a  I > yahoo e-mail account to upload the documents and transport them out of  I > the facility. The blokes at the R+D facility are currently trying hard  ) > to stop the source code from spreading.  > I > Unfortunately for Jolly, a lack of tight intellectual property laws in  J > India makes taking legal action against the employee almost impossible. F > However, the fellows from Jolly's San Carlos, California branch are H > talking to local Indian authorities and trying to sort something out. K > The Indian branch will not be employing or continuing research until the  % > facility has been properly secured.  > H > The company, which is a vendor of labelling and card software for the I > printing industry, established its R+D base in Mumbai just under three   > months ago.   >  >   @ this is a known problem with all outsourcing to the Third World.  H while Indian laws and legal structures are largely based on the British E common law model, and in fact this is one reason it became a popular  < outsourcing destination, they have weak laws on some issues.  G while similar corporate spying incidents happen in the U.S., there you  . have an established legal system to handle it.  F basically, a company in the U.S. that outsources to India is trusting 7 the honesty of Indian cops and the Indian legal system.   H this company does not pay the legal system's rent, and the Indian legal G system is not accountable to them since they are not citizens of India.   B now, the Indian government is not stupid- they know that too many F incidents like this will drive away foriegn investment to other Third C World nations. That's already starting to happen as India gets too  ( expensive as an outsourcing destination.  G but if a few Indian companies get away with doing this... hey, no harm   (to India), no foul.  D it should be noted that having this happen in India is probably the ' optimal case for a outsourcing company.   H the Indian legal system is leaps and bounds over many other Third World 7 legal and law enforcement systems in terms of fairness.   H as jobs are outsourced to Eastern Europe and Africa, the legal problems 6 in regards to outsourcing are just going to get worse.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 20:09:04 +0100 & From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>L Subject: Re: TECO manual location, was: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS1 Message-ID: <080820042009043290%nospam@yrl.co.uk>   C In article <926edf3b.0408071704.2f72c037@posting.google.com>, Scott  <lsk55@hotmail.com> wrote:  0 >  My fingers remember more TECO commands than I > can conjure up consciously!   G That's the truth! Pushing tec into the spinal column is about as far as D I got, but letting the commands 'come out' is definitely better than0 thinking about them, at least on the first pass.E This is the same charm that APL and now perl and python have. Just do ? it. Life is too short to be telling some SFB compiler that your  variable is a long int. ;-)    --  A I thought I would be the last on earth to mung my e-mail address.  fsnospam$elliott$$   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.438 ************************