1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 10 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 440       Contents: Front page strikes Re: HSD partitioning+ Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + RE: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul > Re: Interesting Java app that 'ought' to be able to run on VMS Problem with DCPS and HP4300 Re: Routing under VMS  Re: Touch Screen Voting systems  Re: VMS 5.0 or 5.1 needed @ Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too?@ Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2004 15:05:20 -0700 & From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) Subject: Front page strikes = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0408091405.25f9656d@posting.google.com>   F Anyone out there been forced to use ms frontpage with an OpenVMS Alpha based CSWS webserver?   E The DS15 I asked about converting disks from ODS2 to ODS5 a few weeks C ago is now running CSWS (current 1.X version, not the 2.0 beta, all E patches), but we held off on PHP/Perl/MySQL, etc until we had time to = do the ODS5 conversion.  Out of the blue we now have to let a D frontpage developer work with the system.  System is OpenVMS V7.3-2, patched up, TCPIP V5.4 eco 2.   F There are no frontpage extensions in CSWS, so we tried the ftp publishD with a dedicated account aimed at the root for that site's directory tree.  Problems:  C      Multi-dot filenames fail (and no found way to turn them off in  msfp) B      All files transmitted in binary (HTM files are 512-byte fixed length record)  A There doesn't seem to be much in COV about using msfp with CSWS.  C Outside of expediting the ODS5 conversion (which was schedule for a C couple of weekends from now, which may no longer be acceptable), if C anyone has useful suggestions or gotchas to post, please do.  Sadly D using a different/better page builder is not an option; customer has? spoken.  Also, mass editing the files to change references from F multidot to ODS-2 legal names, and finding a way to transfer the filesB with appropriate character substitution in the names has also been nixed.   Thanks in advance.   Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:26:07 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: HSD partitioning 2 Message-ID: <cf8j4p$3qj$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Bart Zorn wrote:D > This gets a bit confusing. Are we talking about HSD (HSD05, HSD10,E > HSD30) Storageworks DSSI to SCSI controllers, or about HDS (Hitachi  > Data Systems) storage arrays?  > F > However, I don't have the feeling that it makes much of a difference > in this case!  >  > Bart Zorn  > Z > Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<cf0ugu$61v$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>... >  >>john oxley wrote:  >>G >>>Anyone know a way of splitting/partitioning a large disk on a HSD to , >>>serve more than one unit to a VMS system? >>" >>What kind of HSD? 99xx or 95xx ?  P Oops, could be my mistake. All those abbrevations can be confusing sometimes :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Aug 2004 14:46:45 -04003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> 4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul. Message-ID: <mdd8ycocfoq.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   H > They got their history almost right, it began as the System 3 ca. 1972; > and the System 36 was launched before the System 38 IIRC.            System/3:   06/69          System/32:  01/75          System/34:  04/77      =>  System/38:  10/78      =>  System/36:  05/83          AS/400:     06/88   8 (Dates from Mike Ross's http://www.corestore.org/34.htm)   --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:31:10 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul0 Message-ID: <87n014tb81.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   ? > They got their history almost right, it began as the System 3 D > ca. 1972 and the System 36 was launched before the System 38 IIRC.  A System 3 and 36 are TOTALLY different to the S38, As400, iSeries.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:15:15 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul0 Message-ID: <cf8ph2$rra$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  B > System 3 and 36 are TOTALLY different to the S38, As400, iSeries   Paul, that's simply bollocks!   K The one thing they ALL have in common is rpg, RPG and bloddy RPG/400!!! (As 7 a non-graduate of Perth Tech all I can say is HFELICO!)   J As my friends from CBH (or Town&Country or x,y or z) would explain the S36L was batch only and s38 brought in terminal i/o as everyone else knows it andI AS/400 had some great concept  of not distinguishing from memory/disk etc I and was a 64-bit OS from day one. But if you love the Iseries then please + piss-off to comp.os.400 (or whatever it is)    Regards Richard Maher   7 Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message * news:87n014tb81.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com...' > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  > A > > They got their history almost right, it began as the System 3 F > > ca. 1972 and the System 36 was launched before the System 38 IIRC. > C > System 3 and 36 are TOTALLY different to the S38, As400, iSeries.  >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:00:12 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 4 Subject: RE: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEFADKAA.tom@kednos.com>   J Programs that ran on S3 also would run on S3X, and yes they were (ugh) RPG	 machines.      < -----Original Message-----: < From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com]' < Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 2:15 PM  < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 < Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul <  < D < > System 3 and 36 are TOTALLY different to the S38, As400, iSeries <  < Paul, that's simply bollocks!  < > < The one thing they ALL have in common is rpg, RPG and bloddy < RPG/400!!! (As9 < a non-graduate of Perth Tech all I can say is HFELICO!)  < L < As my friends from CBH (or Town&Country or x,y or z) would explain the S36A < was batch only and s38 brought in terminal i/o as everyone else  < knows it andK < AS/400 had some great concept  of not distinguishing from memory/disk etc K < and was a 64-bit OS from day one. But if you love the Iseries then please - < piss-off to comp.os.400 (or whatever it is)  <  < Regards Richard Maher  < 9 < Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message , < news:87n014tb81.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com...) < > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  < > C < > > They got their history almost right, it began as the System 3 H < > > ca. 1972 and the System 36 was launched before the System 38 IIRC. < > E < > System 3 and 36 are TOTALLY different to the S38, As400, iSeries.  < >  < > --@ < > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,; < > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. D < >                                              West Australia 6076. < > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot2 < > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.J < > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. <  <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A < Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004  <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:46:40 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul, Message-ID: <9IadndxEJtmuyYXcRVn-iA@igs.net>   Richard Maher wrote: >  <major snip> > ' > AS/400 had some great concept  of not G > distinguishing from memory/disk etc and was a 64-bit OS from day one.     @ I don't think that OS/400 was 64-bit when it was released on the unsuspecting public.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:08:24 -0400 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> G Subject: Re: Interesting Java app that 'ought' to be able to run on VMS 1 Message-ID: <4t-dneEK-6mGs4XcRVn-ow@adelphia.com>    John Smith wrote:  > http://www.tomsawyer.com  H The "TS Analysis" demo seemed to do everything that I tried.  I did not  try composing a new chart.  I On the "TS Visualization" demo, many of the demos I tried failed to load  F for me.  The animated01, curved*, hiding00, jcomponents0*, labeling*, B nesting*, orthogonal02-05, orthogonal07, orthogonal08, routing01, F web.www.dilbert.com did load.  The dilbert one was shrunk and I could  not get the zoom to work.   H For composing, it seemed to only allow adding one item to an empty page.  F This may just be quota issues from the account that I ran the program I from.  Also my default directory is on an ODS-2 disk.  Java really needs  ' ODS-5 and a case sensitive file system.   I If there is an incompatability with the JAVA kit on OpenVMS and you need  G this application to work, please contact HP through the formal support  	 channels.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:47:19 GMT  From: Erik Ahlefeldt% Subject: Problem with DCPS and HP4300 = Message-ID: <c4ad0a697ad5f042cde880f9305ca8f9@news.scbiz.com>   4 Problem with DCPS 2.3, Laserjet 4300 and input_tray.  7 When I attempt to print to an HP Laserjet 4300 with an  9 input_tray of tray_1, I get an error saying that there is ; no tray_1 on the printer. This happens in both DCPS 2.2 and < 2.3 which are supposed to support the Laserjet 4300.  I have; tried two different 4300s and three VMS machines, with the  9 same result. Anybody know what is going on here? Example:    < $ print t.lis /form=tex /queue=t2 /param=(input_tray=tray_1) /notify ) Job T (queue T2, entry 540) started on T2  $ ; %DCPS-I-JOBSTART, Job T (queue T2, entry 540) started on T2 7 %DCPS-E-INTRAYNOTAVL, No tray_1 tray is installed on hp 
 LaserJet 4300 5 -DCPS-I-JOB_ID, for job T (queue T2, entry 540) on T2 6 %DCPS-E-FLUSHING, Rest of Job (to EOJ) will be ignored5 -DCPS-I-JOB_ID, for job T (queue T2, entry 540) on T2   + Environment: VMS 7.2-1, DCPS 2.3 (and 2.2).   + Erik Ahlefeldt - erik_g -at- abri.une.edu.a    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:24:59 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: Routing under VMS5 Message-ID: <1040809201629.4244B-100000@Ives.egh.com>   ) On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Dr. Otto Titze wrote:    > Hans,  > B > to be more specific it are 2 LAN segments. For TCPIP it are two D > different subnets. Till now on the Router for tcpip the concerned J > protocols were bridged. Our univversity computer center responsible for I > the network does not like these bridging and they try to get rid of it  J > al#t all. (The new configuration will be that the router is replaced by 5 > a firewall which is only able to do tcpip routing.)  > 	 > Regards  > Otto  F Who is serving who?  It seems to me the networking people are supposedB to be providing a service to the University, and not the other wayA around.  They are supposed to be making your job easier.  You are G not supposed to be making their job easier.  Tell them you require that 1 they bridge SCS, LAT, and whatever else you need.   8 (I know, in the real world, this is wishful thinking...)   >  > Hans Vlems schrieb:  > C > > "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> schreef in bericht 3 > > news:cf026b$1ka$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de...  > >  > >>Hi,  > >>L > >>by changes in our university network (Firewalls etc.) I have the problemL > >>that certain protocols will not be bridged any more between two subnets.2 > >>Concerned are cluster, LAT, Last ... at least. > >>H > >>If I connect one of my VMS systems to both subnets could I then do aF > >>routing of this particular protocols (except tcpip)? What should I; > >>observe? Is there special software necessary/available?  > >> > > O > > These protocols are not routable AFAIK.  If you write "subnets" do you mean K > > IP subnets or are you referring to two or more different (ethernet) LAN 
 > > segments? K > > In the latter case you can build a LAT translator. Connect two terminal  > > servers P > > together with their RS232 / DEC 423 ports. One server can offer the services
 > > of theP > > other and vice versa. LAST and SCS traffic is problematic if not impossible. > >  > > Hans > >  > >  >  > --  / >   ------------------------------------------- . > | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |. > | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |. > | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |. > | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |/ >   -------------------------------------------  >  >  >    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:58:35 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Re: Touch Screen Voting systems, Message-ID: <T8idnVIaEoLRJorcRVn-hg@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:C > In article <2nc1qkFuestfU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill  > Gunshannon) writes:  >>B >> Why would you think that?  If he buried, he would know where toD >> find it. As long as someone wrote down the location on the Garmin! >> GPS receiver before they left.  > A >    That's exactly the kind of simple competence that I will not & >    credit Sadam or his friends with.  L You can bet that the US military introduced 'wobble' into the commercial GPSE signals available in the Iraq area, so as to make non-'coalition' GPS H receivers locate their positions not as accurately. In the middle of the< desert one sand dune looks pretty much the same as the next.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:48:04 -0400 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> " Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 or 5.1 needed1 Message-ID: <PpudnSvIM6j5qoXcRVn-tA@adelphia.com>    Stanley F. Quayle wrote:G > I have a VMS 4.7 system that I need to upgrade to VMS 5.5.  However,  A > the upgrade path requires V5.0 or V5.1 as an intermediate step.   D It might be faster and simpler to create a new OpenVMS 5.5-2 system E disk, configure it with the appropriate accounts and identifiers and  & then copy the applications over to it.  @ Obviously you are going to keep a backup of the original system.  I That is what I always did when rehosting an application to a new system.  F   I built up a new system for testing from distribution media, change A controlled configuration files, and finally live production data.   H It seems to me that it should be a standard operating procedure to have H the information how to build such a system as part of the documentation ? for a production system.  Especially if it is mission critical.   I But why stop at 5.5-2?  Unless you have some funny device driver that is  F not available on 7.3, most things work just fine, and then you are on  the current supported version.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:39:18 -0400 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> I Subject: Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too? 1 Message-ID: <KuGdnWxsQOfKqIXcRVn-vA@adelphia.com>    John Smith wrote: N > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=738&e=9&u=/zd/2004 > 0805/tc_zd/132964   B This is a PDF file, however it does mention that Ingres currently . supports OpenVMS.  It displays fine with xpdf.  = http://www3.ca.com/Files/WhitePapers/ingres_opensource_wp.pdf   ! Official rules for the challenge:   G http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Collateral.asp?CID=61137 links to another  ' PDF file that xpdf has no problem with.   G I like section 3.3 where you are eligible even if your contribution to  H an open source project was rejected.  You just had to try to submit one.    A As for the operating system, the application must support LINUX,  I Microsoft Windows, and UNIX with the variant of UNIX unspecified.  So it  E looks like a single operating system solution is not an option.  But  = nothing excludes developing a solution that includes OpenVMS.   F A http://www.google.com search shows that there appears to be modules ; for both PERL and PYTHON to support an interface to Ingres.   G This would indicate that along with compiled solutions, an interpreted  & solution may also be a valid solution.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:50:57 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> I Subject: Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too? , Message-ID: <9Iadnd9EJtmpyYXcRVn-iA@igs.net>   John E. Malmberg wrote:  > John Smith wrote:  >>L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=738&e=9&u=/zd/2004 >> 0805/tc_zd/132964 > C > This is a PDF file, however it does mention that Ingres currently 0 > supports OpenVMS.  It displays fine with xpdf. > ? > http://www3.ca.com/Files/WhitePapers/ingres_opensource_wp.pdf  > # > Official rules for the challenge:  > H > http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Collateral.asp?CID=61137 links to another) > PDF file that xpdf has no problem with.  > H > I like section 3.3 where you are eligible even if your contribution toE > an open source project was rejected.  You just had to try to submit  > one. >  > B > As for the operating system, the application must support LINUX,G > Microsoft Windows, and UNIX with the variant of UNIX unspecified.  So D > it looks like a single operating system solution is not an option.C > But nothing excludes developing a solution that includes OpenVMS.  > G > A http://www.google.com search shows that there appears to be modules = > for both PERL and PYTHON to support an interface to Ingres.  > H > This would indicate that along with compiled solutions, an interpreted( > solution may also be a valid solution.    L I wasn't poting this in an attempt to get people to do Ingres things for VMS per se.   L What I was attempting to do was to get people thinking on how HP could offerK *serious* money for ISV's or others to port mainstream non-VMS apps to VMS.   L How many ERP, or CRM, or pure accounting apps are there for OpenVMS anymore?   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.440 ************************