1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 10 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 441       Contents: Re: Front page strikes Re: Front page strikes Re: Front page strikes& How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go?* Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go?* Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go?* Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go?* Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go?* Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go?* Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go?% How to configure console screensaver? + Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + RE: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul ! Infoserver on OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1 % Re: Infoserver on OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1 % Re: Infoserver on OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1 P Re: JOB - The Carphone Warehouse looking for professionals to work in both Produ LAVC/SCA Traffic Re: LAVC/SCA Traffic, Re: looking for used DEC hardware in England/ Need assistance for OpenVMS trade press article   Re: Problem with DCPS and HP4300 Re: Resilient VMS server config  Re: Resilient VMS server config  Re: Routing under VMS  ssh on HP TCP/IP Services 5.4 ! RE: ssh on HP TCP/IP Services 5.4 ! Re: ssh on HP TCP/IP Services 5.4 @ Re: Stolen IP via India Outsourcing - Getting what they deserve?@ Re: Stolen IP via India Outsourcing - Getting what they deserve?@ Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too?@ Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too?@ Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too?@ Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:51:04 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Re: Front page strikes < Message-ID: <I96Sc.4533$wH1.1205@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   Rich Jordan wrote:  H > Anyone out there been forced to use ms frontpage with an OpenVMS Alpha > based CSWS webserver?  > G > The DS15 I asked about converting disks from ODS2 to ODS5 a few weeks E > ago is now running CSWS (current 1.X version, not the 2.0 beta, all G > patches), but we held off on PHP/Perl/MySQL, etc until we had time to ? > do the ODS5 conversion.  Out of the blue we now have to let a F > frontpage developer work with the system.  System is OpenVMS V7.3-2, > patched up, TCPIP V5.4 eco 2.  > H > There are no frontpage extensions in CSWS, so we tried the ftp publishF > with a dedicated account aimed at the root for that site's directory > tree.  Problems: > E >      Multi-dot filenames fail (and no found way to turn them off in  > msfp) D >      All files transmitted in binary (HTM files are 512-byte fixed > length record) > C > There doesn't seem to be much in COV about using msfp with CSWS.  E > Outside of expediting the ODS5 conversion (which was schedule for a E > couple of weekends from now, which may no longer be acceptable), if E > anyone has useful suggestions or gotchas to post, please do.  Sadly F > using a different/better page builder is not an option; customer hasA > spoken.  Also, mass editing the files to change references from H > multidot to ODS-2 legal names, and finding a way to transfer the filesD > with appropriate character substitution in the names has also been > nixed. >  > Thanks in advance. >  > Rich  N The conversion won't help. Not that I have seen anyway... only with multi-dot O filenames, all others have problems.  Tell the moronic FP developer to NOT use  N filenames with spaces and other meta-characters.  While it may work in an IIS P shop, Apache is much different and he can reduce the number of interoperability P issues by adhering to real standards, not M$ standards.  You need to be able to N edit those files and you can't.  FTP may change the filenames for you and now  the links won't work.   ' Just try to edit "kdfk$%^& _ KKfda.txt"    --   Michael Austin.  Consultant - Available. @ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:02:51 GMT # From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com  Subject: Re: Front page strikes 8 Message-ID: <rpvhh059st8gkiog8dam4mq9omp9fl41fg@4ax.com>  E On 9 Aug 2004 15:05:20 -0700, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) wrote:   G >Anyone out there been forced to use ms frontpage with an OpenVMS Alpha  >based CSWS webserver? > F >The DS15 I asked about converting disks from ODS2 to ODS5 a few weeksD >ago is now running CSWS (current 1.X version, not the 2.0 beta, allF >patches), but we held off on PHP/Perl/MySQL, etc until we had time to> >do the ODS5 conversion.  Out of the blue we now have to let aE >frontpage developer work with the system.  System is OpenVMS V7.3-2,  >patched up, TCPIP V5.4 eco 2. > G >There are no frontpage extensions in CSWS, so we tried the ftp publish E >with a dedicated account aimed at the root for that site's directory  >tree.  Problems:  > D >     Multi-dot filenames fail (and no found way to turn them off in >msfp)C >     All files transmitted in binary (HTM files are 512-byte fixed  >length record)  > B >There doesn't seem to be much in COV about using msfp with CSWS. D >Outside of expediting the ODS5 conversion (which was schedule for aD >couple of weekends from now, which may no longer be acceptable), ifD >anyone has useful suggestions or gotchas to post, please do.  SadlyE >using a different/better page builder is not an option; customer has @ >spoken.  Also, mass editing the files to change references fromG >multidot to ODS-2 legal names, and finding a way to transfer the files C >with appropriate character substitution in the names has also been  >nixed.  >  >Thanks in advance.  >  >Rich     @ No disrespect to Frontpage or Open VMS but isn't this a bit like( putting Asda (Walmart) Oil in a Ferrari?   Well maybe it's *only* a DS15.   cheers,    Pete   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:07:18 GMT # From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com  Subject: Re: Front page strikes 8 Message-ID: <600ih0tp93ng993qqf0vla8j4dmc8pvll1@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:02:51 GMT, peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com wrote:  F >On 9 Aug 2004 15:05:20 -0700, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) wrote: > H >>Anyone out there been forced to use ms frontpage with an OpenVMS Alpha >>based CSWS webserver?  >>G >>The DS15 I asked about converting disks from ODS2 to ODS5 a few weeks E >>ago is now running CSWS (current 1.X version, not the 2.0 beta, all G >>patches), but we held off on PHP/Perl/MySQL, etc until we had time to ? >>do the ODS5 conversion.  Out of the blue we now have to let a F >>frontpage developer work with the system.  System is OpenVMS V7.3-2, >>patched up, TCPIP V5.4 eco 2.  >>H >>There are no frontpage extensions in CSWS, so we tried the ftp publishF >>with a dedicated account aimed at the root for that site's directory >>tree.  Problems: >>E >>     Multi-dot filenames fail (and no found way to turn them off in  >>msfp) D >>     All files transmitted in binary (HTM files are 512-byte fixed >>length record) >>C >>There doesn't seem to be much in COV about using msfp with CSWS.  E >>Outside of expediting the ODS5 conversion (which was schedule for a E >>couple of weekends from now, which may no longer be acceptable), if E >>anyone has useful suggestions or gotchas to post, please do.  Sadly F >>using a different/better page builder is not an option; customer hasA >>spoken.  Also, mass editing the files to change references from H >>multidot to ODS-2 legal names, and finding a way to transfer the filesD >>with appropriate character substitution in the names has also been >>nixed. >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >>Rich >  > A >No disrespect to Frontpage or Open VMS but isn't this a bit like ) >putting Asda (Walmart) Oil in a Ferrari?  >  >Well maybe it's *only* a DS15.  >  >cheers, >  >Pete     C If you want a real web developer with experience of Frontpage, Open E VMS, and probably more appropriately Notepad or whichever text editor  you want to use under VMS   	 check out   ' http://www.64-bitconsultancy.com/cv.htm    or     for charges   . http://www.64-bitconsultancy.com/webdesign.htm   cheers,    Pete   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:04:20 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>/ Subject: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go? 5 Message-ID: <1040810012654.4244I-100000@Ives.egh.com>   B I'm porting some software to IA64.  (Almost all of it was changingA "If this isn't an Alpha, it must be a VAX" statements to "If this E isn't a VAX, then it must be either an Alpha or an IA64, don't really E care which", which took about 3-4 hours.  Would have been faster with 	 TECO :-()   C The one thing that wouldn't port was a 3 line MACRO subroutine that ? gets the amount of free memory on the system (a sanity check to C prevent the program from grabbing so much memory that it pagefaults C to death.)  I replaced it with a little BASIC subroutine that calls A LIB$GETSYI to get "PAGE_SIZE" and "MAIN_MEMORY", and converts the  results to pagelets.  A The MAIN_MEMORY item code isn't documented, except in the release ? notes for the 7.3-1 DCL ECO V2.0, but the ECO notes say it "has 5 been available for a long time but never documented."   3 I tried it on a VAX V7.1 system and it worked fine.   6 Does anyone have an older system they can check it on?  ,   $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MAIN_MEMORY")  < should do the trick.  It produces a 32-character hex string,9 with total, free, in use and modified page counts (as per 7 "$ show memory/physical") jammed together as 4 unsigned  8-digit hex numbers.     ----: One huge advantage of this method is it doesn't need to be/ linked with sys.stb on VAX or /sysexe on Alpha.   8 I couldn't find any VMS release notes old enough to tell: when SYS$GETSYI/F$GETSYI first appeared.  The Blue, Orange3 and Gray walls have all long since departed...  The 9 MAIN_MEMORY item code hasn't been documented anyway, so I 9 guess the only way to tell if it is there is to try it or * to look in STARLET.MLB for the definition.  ; I'd rather not support the old macro routine (and the build ; and installation procedures for it) if the new method works ? as far back as VMS V6.1 (VAX VMS 5.5 would be super; I'm fairly < sure we don't have any customers running anything older than> VMS 5.5-2, but I'm not sure about that version or the V6.x's.)   TIA    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:24:23 +0200 2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>3 Subject: Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go? ) Message-ID: <cf9t6v$m2t7@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>    John Santos wrote:D > I'm porting some software to IA64.  (Almost all of it was changingC > "If this isn't an Alpha, it must be a VAX" statements to "If this G > isn't a VAX, then it must be either an Alpha or an IA64, don't really G > care which", which took about 3-4 hours.  Would have been faster with  > TECO :-()  > E > The one thing that wouldn't port was a 3 line MACRO subroutine that A > gets the amount of free memory on the system (a sanity check to E > prevent the program from grabbing so much memory that it pagefaults E > to death.)  I replaced it with a little BASIC subroutine that calls C > LIB$GETSYI to get "PAGE_SIZE" and "MAIN_MEMORY", and converts the  > results to pagelets. > C > The MAIN_MEMORY item code isn't documented, except in the release A > notes for the 7.3-1 DCL ECO V2.0, but the ECO notes say it "has 7 > been available for a long time but never documented."  > 5 > I tried it on a VAX V7.1 system and it worked fine.  > 8 > Does anyone have an older system they can check it on? > . >   $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MAIN_MEMORY") > > > should do the trick.  It produces a 32-character hex string,; > with total, free, in use and modified page counts (as per 9 > "$ show memory/physical") jammed together as 4 unsigned  > 8-digit hex numbers. >  >  > ----< > One huge advantage of this method is it doesn't need to be1 > linked with sys.stb on VAX or /sysexe on Alpha.  > : > I couldn't find any VMS release notes old enough to tell< > when SYS$GETSYI/F$GETSYI first appeared.  The Blue, Orange5 > and Gray walls have all long since departed...  The ; > MAIN_MEMORY item code hasn't been documented anyway, so I ; > guess the only way to tell if it is there is to try it or , > to look in STARLET.MLB for the definition. > = > I'd rather not support the old macro routine (and the build = > and installation procedures for it) if the new method works A > as far back as VMS V6.1 (VAX VMS 5.5 would be super; I'm fairly > > sure we don't have any customers running anything older than@ > VMS 5.5-2, but I'm not sure about that version or the V6.x's.) >  > TIA  >   . VAX/VMS V5.5-2 does not support "MAIN_MEMORY".   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:31:30 +0300 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>3 Subject: Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go? * Message-ID: <41186c4f@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   John,   > The SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY item code has been added in October 1995.; Out of curiosity, what did not work with the MACRO routine?   : All that required is to get the content of SCH$GL_FREECNT.; On V8.2 you need to use SCH$GI_FREECNT (due to the 50bit-VA 	 changes).    Guy - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message / news:1040810012654.4244I-100000@Ives.egh.com...  > D > I'm porting some software to IA64.  (Almost all of it was changingC > "If this isn't an Alpha, it must be a VAX" statements to "If this G > isn't a VAX, then it must be either an Alpha or an IA64, don't really G > care which", which took about 3-4 hours.  Would have been faster with  > TECO :-()  > E > The one thing that wouldn't port was a 3 line MACRO subroutine that A > gets the amount of free memory on the system (a sanity check to E > prevent the program from grabbing so much memory that it pagefaults E > to death.)  I replaced it with a little BASIC subroutine that calls C > LIB$GETSYI to get "PAGE_SIZE" and "MAIN_MEMORY", and converts the  > results to pagelets. > C > The MAIN_MEMORY item code isn't documented, except in the release A > notes for the 7.3-1 DCL ECO V2.0, but the ECO notes say it "has 7 > been available for a long time but never documented."  > 5 > I tried it on a VAX V7.1 system and it worked fine.  > 8 > Does anyone have an older system they can check it on? > . >   $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MAIN_MEMORY") > > > should do the trick.  It produces a 32-character hex string,; > with total, free, in use and modified page counts (as per 9 > "$ show memory/physical") jammed together as 4 unsigned  > 8-digit hex numbers. >  >  > ----< > One huge advantage of this method is it doesn't need to be1 > linked with sys.stb on VAX or /sysexe on Alpha.  > : > I couldn't find any VMS release notes old enough to tell< > when SYS$GETSYI/F$GETSYI first appeared.  The Blue, Orange5 > and Gray walls have all long since departed...  The ; > MAIN_MEMORY item code hasn't been documented anyway, so I ; > guess the only way to tell if it is there is to try it or , > to look in STARLET.MLB for the definition. > = > I'd rather not support the old macro routine (and the build = > and installation procedures for it) if the new method works A > as far back as VMS V6.1 (VAX VMS 5.5 would be super; I'm fairly > > sure we don't have any customers running anything older than@ > VMS 5.5-2, but I'm not sure about that version or the V6.x's.) >  > TIA  >  > --  
 > John Santos  > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 07:51:37 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 3 Subject: Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go? 3 Message-ID: <$T1E7uHE3R2G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <1040810012654.4244I-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: >  > 8 > Does anyone have an older system they can check it on? > . >   $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MAIN_MEMORY") > )    $ write sys$OUTPUT f$getsyi("version")     V6.1 -    $ write sys$OUTPUT f$getsyi("main_memory") D    %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling    \MAIN_MEMORY\      Also fails on 5.5-2, natch.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 06:22:55 -0700( From: tjonard@usa.net (Thomas A. Jonard)3 Subject: Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go? < Message-ID: <3ad0fd0.0408100522.584995b5@posting.google.com>  ] John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1040810012654.4244I-100000@Ives.egh.com>... D > I'm porting some software to IA64.  (Almost all of it was changingC > "If this isn't an Alpha, it must be a VAX" statements to "If this G > isn't a VAX, then it must be either an Alpha or an IA64, don't really G > care which", which took about 3-4 hours.  Would have been faster with  > TECO :-()  > E > The one thing that wouldn't port was a 3 line MACRO subroutine that A > gets the amount of free memory on the system (a sanity check to E > prevent the program from grabbing so much memory that it pagefaults E > to death.)  I replaced it with a little BASIC subroutine that calls C > LIB$GETSYI to get "PAGE_SIZE" and "MAIN_MEMORY", and converts the  > results to pagelets. > C > The MAIN_MEMORY item code isn't documented, except in the release A > notes for the 7.3-1 DCL ECO V2.0, but the ECO notes say it "has 7 > been available for a long time but never documented."  > 5 > I tried it on a VAX V7.1 system and it worked fine.  > 8 > Does anyone have an older system they can check it on? > . >   $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MAIN_MEMORY") > > > should do the trick.  It produces a 32-character hex string,; > with total, free, in use and modified page counts (as per 9 > "$ show memory/physical") jammed together as 4 unsigned  > 8-digit hex numbers. ...  > TIA     	 From 6.2:   , VAX>write sys$output f$getsyi("MAIN_MEMORY")A %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling   \MAIN_MEMORY\   Tom   ( Thomas A. Jonard,  jonard@XLNsystems.com Senior Consultant, XLNsystems , XLNsystems -- VMS specialists, CharonVAX VAR   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 09:03:31 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 3 Subject: Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go? 3 Message-ID: <RFmXBop9jsrl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <1040810012654.4244I-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:  5 > I tried it on a VAX V7.1 system and it worked fine.  > 8 > Does anyone have an older system they can check it on? > . >   $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MAIN_MEMORY")  * $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MAIN_MEMORY")A %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling   \MAIN_MEMORY\& $ write sys$output f$getsyi("VERSION") V5.3-1   $    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 09:34:26 -07000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran)3 Subject: Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go? = Message-ID: <948f0720.0408100834.16c538eb@posting.google.com>   ] John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1040810012654.4244I-100000@Ives.egh.com>...    5 > I tried it on a VAX V7.1 system and it worked fine.  > 8 > Does anyone have an older system they can check it on? > . >   $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MAIN_MEMORY") >  > should do the trick   ? "%DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword..." in V6.2, VAX or Alpha.    Bad luck, Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 08:59:17 -0700% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) . Subject: How to configure console screensaver?= Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0408100759.2e06d0ac@posting.google.com>   C How can you extend the time till the console screen goes blank when ' there is no mouse or keyboard activity.   E This is VMS 7.2.1 on DS10s and AlphaStation 400s used as workstations  with a graphics console.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:52:33 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul2 Message-ID: <vMKdnSfz7pjk44XcRVn-hQ@metrocast.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:9IadndxEJtmuyYXcRVn-iA@igs.net... > Richard Maher wrote: > >  > <major snip> > > ) > > AS/400 had some great concept  of not I > > distinguishing from memory/disk etc and was a 64-bit OS from day one.  >  > B > I don't think that OS/400 was 64-bit when it was released on the > unsuspecting public.  G I'm not sure when object addresses increased to (IIRC) 96 bits, but I'm L pretty sure that even System/38 began life with 48-bit object addresses thatI could have been architecturally extended to at least close to 64 bits had ? the need arisen (though they underlying processor was 32 bits).    - bill .    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:56:01 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul2 Message-ID: <CdKdnYp9C-XX4oXcRVn-pA@metrocast.net>  > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message* news:cf8ph2$rra$1@sparta.btinternet.com...D > > System 3 and 36 are TOTALLY different to the S38, As400, iSeries >  > Paul, that's simply bollocks!  > I > The one thing they ALL have in common is rpg, RPG and bloddy RPG/400!!!  (As 9 > a non-graduate of Perth Tech all I can say is HFELICO!)   J Well, they probably supported COBOL as well.  So does VMS.  Does that meanC that calling VMS and AS/400 'completely different' would be 'simply 
 bollocks'?  L Duh.  System/38 and AS/400 occupy a unique place in modern architectures (at$ least commercially successful ones).   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:57:44 GMT / From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@spyderbyte.com> 4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul? Message-ID: <IS1Sc.190550$tH1.9247671@twister.southeast.rr.com>   7 "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote in message ' news:%8ORc.256870$JR4.7162@attbi_s54...   > Got a reply from Stallard.....     And he said?  5 -----------------------------------------------------  Kenneth R. Farmer <><  http://www.OpenVMS.org     >  > 9 > "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote in message + > news:ggLRc.256148$JR4.245471@attbi_s54... / > > I just sent the mentioned link to Stallard.  > > ? > > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message ; > > news:f30679fb.0408090335.18f85341@posting.google.com...  > > > Click  > > >  > > >  > >  > b http://news.com.com/IBM+overhauls+iSeries+for+the+long+haul/2100-1010_3-5300765.html?tag=nefd.lede > > >  > > > I > > > "It's been a pattern for years in the server market: A powerful new D > > > machine arrives, grows popular, then fades into history as theG > > > industry moves to fresh designs. Loyalists are left in the lurch.  > > > J > > > The OpenVMS machines led Digital Equipment Corp. to glory, but theirH > > > current owner, Hewlett-Packard, rarely even mentions them anymore.K > > > Prime and Data General expired altogether. The once-diverse mainframe 3 > > > gene pool has dwindled almost to one lineage.  > > > I > > > IBM's iSeries could be one of those endangered species: It has used J > > > processors and software far from the mainstream. But Big Blue thinks: > > > it has found a way to keep the server line relevant. > > >  > > > (...)" > > >  > > > G > > > Looks like the AS/400 platform is commited to extinction like the K > > > OpenVMS base ! I think IBM should ask EMC do develop a VMware version  > > > to runE > > > i5/OS - to mantain their customer base. Would be better for IBM I > > > to run the applications and sell a lot of x450 servers. So they can 	 > > > run 5 > > > Linux/Windows and i5/OS in the other partition.  > > > A > > > An other option is develop an afinity program to run AS/400  > > > applications > > > under Linux ! Unix ! > > > 
 > > > Regards  > > >  > > > FC > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:05:24 GMT , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul/ Message-ID: <DC4Sc.123651$eM2.108768@attbi_s51>    He said:   Thanks  G You know that our roadmap delivers lower costs, new functionality, etc. H IBM just markets this a bit better probably by working the press better.  A I will not be at HP World......the team will be well represented.     : "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@spyderbyte.com> wrote in message9 news:IS1Sc.190550$tH1.9247671@twister.southeast.rr.com... 9 > "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote in message ) > news:%8ORc.256870$JR4.7162@attbi_s54... " > > Got a reply from Stallard..... >  >  > And he said? > 7 > -----------------------------------------------------  > Kenneth R. Farmer <><  > http://www.OpenVMS.org >  >  > >  > > ; > > "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote in message - > > news:ggLRc.256148$JR4.245471@attbi_s54... 1 > > > I just sent the mentioned link to Stallard.  > > > A > > > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message = > > > news:f30679fb.0408090335.18f85341@posting.google.com... 
 > > > > Click  > > > >  > > > >  > > >  > >  > b http://news.com.com/IBM+overhauls+iSeries+for+the+long+haul/2100-1010_3-5300765.html?tag=nefd.lede > > > >  > > > > K > > > > "It's been a pattern for years in the server market: A powerful new F > > > > machine arrives, grows popular, then fades into history as theI > > > > industry moves to fresh designs. Loyalists are left in the lurch.  > > > > L > > > > The OpenVMS machines led Digital Equipment Corp. to glory, but theirJ > > > > current owner, Hewlett-Packard, rarely even mentions them anymore.C > > > > Prime and Data General expired altogether. The once-diverse 	 mainframe 5 > > > > gene pool has dwindled almost to one lineage.  > > > > K > > > > IBM's iSeries could be one of those endangered species: It has used L > > > > processors and software far from the mainstream. But Big Blue thinks< > > > > it has found a way to keep the server line relevant. > > > >  > > > > (...)" > > > >  > > > > I > > > > Looks like the AS/400 platform is commited to extinction like the E > > > > OpenVMS base ! I think IBM should ask EMC do develop a VMware  version  > > > > to runG > > > > i5/OS - to mantain their customer base. Would be better for IBM K > > > > to run the applications and sell a lot of x450 servers. So they can  > > > > run 7 > > > > Linux/Windows and i5/OS in the other partition.  > > > > C > > > > An other option is develop an afinity program to run AS/400  > > > > applications > > > > under Linux ! Unix ! > > > >  > > > > Regards  > > > > 
 > > > > FC > > >  > > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 09:10:38 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul3 Message-ID: <Kd2M$nOfWLaM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <IS1Sc.190550$tH1.9247671@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@spyderbyte.com> writes: 9 > "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote in message ) > news:%8ORc.256870$JR4.7162@attbi_s54... ! >> Got a reply from Stallard.....  >  >  > And he said? > 7 > -----------------------------------------------------  > Kenneth R. Farmer <><  > http://www.OpenVMS.org  0 <snip 63 lines to which you were not responding>   Please limit quoting.   # It only encourages the top-posters.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:17:44 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul, Message-ID: <9fCdndMZyd6GeoXcRVn-tg@igs.net>   Dave Gudewicz wrote:
 > He said: >  > Thanks > D > You know that our roadmap delivers lower costs, new functionality,G > etc. IBM just markets this a bit better probably by working the press 	 > better.  > C > I will not be at HP World......the team will be well represented.     L So what is HP going to do about Stallard's 'throw-away' statement, "IBM just7 markets this a bit better probably by working the press   better." ?   J Seems to me that this is indicative of the malaise which permeates HP withL respect to OpenVMS. WHEN is HP going to market OpenVMS better to the press -H before or after the internal time representation in OpenVMS rolls over??  J I gotta love those HP TV ads that talk about the 'adaptive enterprise' andG how HP helps companies embrace change but sell nothing other than "Who" F downloads of "Teenage Wasteland" on iTunes to people who recognize theK music. Most people & companies know HP as a vendor of printers and PC's and J nothing else. "Change your printers and all will be well!"  I can hear theL plaintive cry of the HP reps now, "The printers are coming. The printers are( coming. One if by toner. Two if by ink."  K Everyone knows the grief of dealing with Microsoft environments but HP does L nothing to show that they have better solutions available. HP hides its headH in the sand saying that people/companies want PeeCee's but that's just aI bunch of BS. Companies want solutions that work. Joe Blow in XYZ Corp can B get a big bonus if he saves the company $1 million over 2 years byL rationalizing the purchase of paper clips....why can't HP convey the messageL of server-side savings running VMS to companies so that other Joe Blow's canK get their bonuses by recommending VMS?? All it takes is advertising (a.k.a. K 'marketing'). Joe could really use the money and if he has something he can J point to from a big company like HP saying that VMS can save him money andJ thereby get him the big bonus, well just maybe Joe will stick his neck out and order VMS-based systems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:56:31 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 4 Subject: RE: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMEFLDKAA.tom@kednos.com>    < -----Original Message-----* < From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]( < Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:18 AM < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 < Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul <  <  < Dave Gudewicz wrote: < > He said: < > 
 < > Thanks < > F < > You know that our roadmap delivers lower costs, new functionality,I < > etc. IBM just markets this a bit better probably by working the press  < > better.  < > E < > I will not be at HP World......the team will be well represented.  <  < 9 < So what is HP going to do about Stallard's 'throw-away'  < statement, "IBM just9 < markets this a bit better probably by working the press 
 <  better." ?  < L < Seems to me that this is indicative of the malaise which permeates HP withB < respect to OpenVMS. WHEN is HP going to market OpenVMS better to
 < the press - J < before or after the internal time representation in OpenVMS rolls over??  L That likely won't change unless and until HP evolves a different vision.  IfI you consider the main business sectors printers, VMS, HP-UX/Tru65, Tandem  and I Proliant, I may have correctly listed them in order of descending margin.  The J focus seems to be on the Proliant line where they are squeezed on one side byD Microsoft and on the other by Dell and others.  Why would you want a businessA like that?  This also seems to be the centerpiece of the Adaptive  Enterprise, J .. just add more blades as the business grows ... , someone at HP needs toK get serious, this is embarassing.  Now I have it on good authority that VMS J was the only OS that actually increased its base during 2003.  Is that notJ a clarion call?  In the current environment VMS's biggest appeal has to beL DR and scalability, which should be the marketing phalanx into Corporate andF governmental environments.  Let Dell have the desktop, work with them.D Decentralize management let VMS run as an independent Profit Center.   < L < I gotta love those HP TV ads that talk about the 'adaptive enterprise' andI < how HP helps companies embrace change but sell nothing other than "Who" H < downloads of "Teenage Wasteland" on iTunes to people who recognize the@ < music. Most people & companies know HP as a vendor of printers < and PC's andL < nothing else. "Change your printers and all will be well!"  I can hear theA < plaintive cry of the HP reps now, "The printers are coming. The  < printers are* < coming. One if by toner. Two if by ink." <NA < Everyone knows the grief of dealing with Microsoft environmentse
 < but HP doesr? < nothing to show that they have better solutions available. HPk < hides its headJ < in the sand saying that people/companies want PeeCee's but that's just aK < bunch of BS. Companies want solutions that work. Joe Blow in XYZ Corp can D < get a big bonus if he saves the company $1 million over 2 years byB < rationalizing the purchase of paper clips....why can't HP convey
 < the messagevC < of server-side savings running VMS to companies so that other Joe  < Blow's can9 < get their bonuses by recommending VMS?? All it takes is  < advertising (a.k.a.e< < 'marketing'). Joe could really use the money and if he has < something he canL < point to from a big company like HP saying that VMS can save him money andL < thereby get him the big bonus, well just maybe Joe will stick his neck out < and order VMS-based systems. <  <- <  <  < ---v( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A < Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004D <h ---r& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:00:55 -0400P# From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>S4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul+ Message-ID: <4118FF47.CBDBEC7B@adldata.com>n   Paul Repacholi wrote:  > ' > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:e > A > > They got their history almost right, it began as the System 3IF > > ca. 1972 and the System 36 was launched before the System 38 IIRC. > C > System 3 and 36 are TOTALLY different to the S38, As400, iSeries.  >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.   H S/34, then S/38, then s/36, then as/400 which was a rebranded S/38 that H included S/36 software emulation to get S/34 and S/36 users to migrate. H It did not work that well and IBM had to put out additional S/36 models  after the AS/400 came out.    F The system/38 was so different from the system/34 that it was a total D rewrite for most code. System/38 had no fortran compiler. Our sys/34= fortran application was rewritten in cobol for the system/38./  ? S/34/36 and S/38 had different command language technology and  % different screen display methodology.p   sole   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:58:16 +0200 - From: "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net>n* Subject: Infoserver on OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-10 Message-ID: <scmdnYNyKudyWIXcRVnyuA@scarlet.biz>  I Does anyone know if it's possible to make an Infoserver of an AlphaServer < 1000 4/200 running OVMS 7.3-1 to serve a local CD-ROM drive?  K I have also an Alpha PWS 600au with an unsupported CD-ROM drive for OVMS. I L don't want to buy a new CD drive and want to install OVMS on the PWS via theD network. How must this be configured both on the Server and the PWS?   Thanks!n   SD   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 09:13:41 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: Infoserver on OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-13 Message-ID: <mesvBqNW+X4$@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  ` In article <scmdnYNyKudyWIXcRVnyuA@scarlet.biz>, "Starlet731" <starlet731@attglobal.net> writes:K > Does anyone know if it's possible to make an Infoserver of an AlphaServer > > 1000 4/200 running OVMS 7.3-1 to serve a local CD-ROM drive?  I Not with currently released versions of VMS, although there has been talka, of adding this capability for some time now.  I It is _not_ an announced feature of VMS V8.2, and apparently did not make.I the priority cut.  They understand the problem, but it just does not beate9 other projects like "port VMS to Itanium" for importance.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:42:31 -0400s2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>. Subject: Re: Infoserver on OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1. Message-ID: <4118B4A7.12395.9423803@localhost>  . On 10 Aug 2004 at 9:13, Larry Kilgallen wrote:F > It is _not_ an announced feature of VMS V8.2, and apparently did notG > make the priority cut.  They understand the problem, but it just doeskD > not beat other projects like "port VMS to Itanium" for importance.  B Actually, it's in Field Test E8.2, at least on Itanium.  Probably  there on Alpha, too.  D Just try "$ mcr ess$infoserver".  You mileage may vary -- greatly.  : If you kill your system, don't come crying to me, or HP...  
 --Stan Quayleb Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:25:47 GMTt1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>nY Subject: Re: JOB - The Carphone Warehouse looking for professionals to work in both ProduS; Message-ID: <%N5Sc.4525$wB1.851@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>e   Keith Cayemberg wrote: > I > I found this job posting while looking for something else VMS related. fE > While offer is over 2 weeks old and I don't know whether it's been nA > filled, I don't remember anyone mentioning the position in COV.e > ' > Here is a link to the announcement...w$ > http://www2.vnunet.com/Job/3795359 >  > K > For those looking for OpenVMS Jobs, here is my current list of the usual o > places to look...) > + > DECUS Mnchen - Stellenanzeigen - Germanyo+ > http://www.decus.de/decusnet/stellen.htmlb > # > Jobserve - OpenVMS Search Resultsob > http://www.jobserve.com/IT/jobserve/searchresults.asp?jobType=*&d=5&order=Rank&page=1&q=OpenVMS  >  > + > Monster - Search Northern Europe VMS Jobst! > http://tinylink.com/?TAqWqT0QAPn >  > Monster - Search US VMS Jobs! > http://tinylink.com/?xmrZbZXUZOR > 3 > OpenVMS Career Center Search - powered by Monstert' > http://jobsearch.openvms.monster.com/O > ) > OpenVMS Career Center - Wayback Machine1R > http://web.archive.org/web/20030624122545/http://jobsearch.openvms.monster.com/  >  > 2 > OpenVMS Career Center Login - powered by Monster > http://openvms.monster.com/g > / > OpenVMS Career Center Login - Wayback Machine G > http://web.archive.org/web/20021122163831/http://openvms.monster.com/  >  > OpenVMS.org - VMS Jobs Forum, > http://www.openvms.org/phorum/list.php?f=2 >   > OpenVMS.org - VMS Resum Forum, > http://www.openvms.org/phorum/list.php?f=3 > < > USAJOBS - U.S. Office of Personnel Management - Job Search# > http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/n >  > VMS-SIG Mailing ListM > http://listserv.encompassus.org/Scripts/wa-ENCOMPASS.exe?SUBED1=vms-sig&A=1u >   > VMSPros - Careers on OpenVMS !- > http://vmspros.freeservers.com/vmsjobs.html  >  > VNUNET - UK Jobs  > http://www2.vnunet.com/Careers >  > Yahoo! Hotjobs > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com > % > Yahoo! Hotjobs - VMS Search ResultsC! > http://tinylink.com/?61itrEz6Tn> > I > If anyone knows some other good links for posting or searching OpenVMS P& > Jobs please add them to this thread. > 	 > Cheers!o >  > Keith Cayembergf   FYI>  M Evidently HP stoppes supporting the openvms.monster.com pages as they are no e< longer available - there is no DNS record for them either...   -- m Michael Austin.  Consultant - Available.h@ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:56:30 -0700i+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>> Subject: LAVC/SCA Trafficg' Message-ID: <4118FE3E.9040802@MMaz.com>   A Anyone have a doc, or reference point, for the packet layout for >I LAVC/SCA traffic?  I have some captured packets and would like to decode i them...    Thanks!t   Barryt   -- n  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        y   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:07:30 +0100w* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LAVC/SCA Traffict+ Message-ID: <cfavcj$r1i@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>s  X "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:4118FE3E.9040802@MMaz.com...B > Anyone have a doc, or reference point, for the packet layout forJ > LAVC/SCA traffic?  I have some captured packets and would like to decode	 > them...   B There is some data in one of the appendices to the cluster manual.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 00:48:22 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)s5 Subject: Re: looking for used DEC hardware in Englandu= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0408092348.264cb6af@posting.google.com>   j "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message news:<cf5msa$guv$1@titan.btinternet.com>...
 > Hi Phillip,( > N > I'll see your hobbyist emotionalistic begging bowl and raise you a couple of > beers! > K > I live here, and call upon all xenophobic little-Englanders to repel your B > non-EEC attempt at the pillaging and plundering of our heritage! > L > In other words, if anyone has an Alpha that can sit on my desk and run VMSL > 7.3 the I'm even willing to pay cash for it. (Yes, Ebay my arse! I'm not aL > system manager and wouldn't know one model from the other, whether it runsM > NT-only or VMS or blah-blah-blah) I've got a pedestal sized Alpha going for H > 300 in Brussels. If you can beat that then let me know. (I did have aI > lovely Alphastation lined up where I'm currently working but as usual aMN > selfish-arse System Manager grabbed it first.Seriously, what the hell do youN > system managers do with this hardware if you don't code??? Save on heating?)L I've often thought an alpha would appeal to anyone who brews their own beer. Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:34:03 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>8 Subject: Need assistance for OpenVMS trade press article@ Message-ID: <LV5Sc.246469$2o2.14408150@twister.southeast.rr.com>  J I've been approached by a writer from one of the large trade publications.2 He has asked for assistance finding the following:  0 1) A user who currently is using VMS on Itanium.? 2) Someone who is on Alpha and not planning to move to Itanium.nA 3) Someone still on VAX and not planning to change any time soon. 8 4) Someone who was on VMS, went elsewhere and came back.  J If you wish to be interview please reply to kfarmer (at) openvms (dot) org with:  1) Namet 2) Email address 3) Company name 7 4) Number associated with your situation (1, 2, 3 or 4)-K 5) Your phone number.  I'm going to call everyone first before I pass their4 name on to the writer.  K Your geographic location doesn't matter.  Being able to speak English does.N :)  H Obviously this information will be made public through the interview, soK make sure your company approves, otherwise I'm not responsible if you looseh	 your job.   > Deadline to respond is End-of-Business, Thursday, August 12th.   -- Kenneth R. Farmer <><a OpenVMS.orgd   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 05:01:21 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)) Subject: Re: Problem with DCPS and HP4300u< Message-ID: <f30679fb.0408100401.8380ce3@posting.google.com>  Y Erik Ahlefeldt wrote in message news:<c4ad0a697ad5f042cde880f9305ca8f9@news.scbiz.com>... 6 > Problem with DCPS 2.3, Laserjet 4300 and input_tray. > 9 > When I attempt to print to an HP Laserjet 4300 with an Y; > input_tray of tray_1, I get an error saying that there isM= > no tray_1 on the printer. This happens in both DCPS 2.2 ande> > 2.3 which are supposed to support the Laserjet 4300.  I have= > tried two different 4300s and three VMS machines, with the  ; > same result. Anybody know what is going on here? Example:s >  n> > $ print t.lis /form=tex /queue=t2 /param=(input_tray=tray_1)	 > /notifyg+ > Job T (queue T2, entry 540) started on T2c > $ = > %DCPS-I-JOBSTART, Job T (queue T2, entry 540) started on T2e9 > %DCPS-E-INTRAYNOTAVL, No tray_1 tray is installed on hpa > LaserJet 4300e7 > -DCPS-I-JOB_ID, for job T (queue T2, entry 540) on T2 8 > %DCPS-E-FLUSHING, Rest of Job (to EOJ) will be ignored7 > -DCPS-I-JOB_ID, for job T (queue T2, entry 540) on T2  > - > Environment: VMS 7.2-1, DCPS 2.3 (and 2.2).h > - > Erik Ahlefeldt - erik_g -at- abri.une.edu.a.    E Its time to the HP Printer Group develop native drivers / management  for OpenVMS HP printers !    Regardsu   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:32:03 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>( Subject: Re: Resilient VMS server config' Message-ID: <cfa13r$gvb$1@lore.csc.com>n   Chris Hale wrote: " > Thanks for your comments so far. > ' > To address a couple of the questions.  > D > By resilient, I mean that it would be extreemly inconvienient, andC > costly if the system goes down unplanned. Also the application isxA > required almost 24x7. It is a key part in a production process.Y2 > Planned downtime can occur about 3 times a year. > F > The application itself is not particularly dependant on the vaersionH > of VMS. It has run on a three node VAX cluster, a four node Alpha, andE > a two node Alpha, spanning VMS versions 6.2 thru to 7.3. ThroughoutsD > this there has been very little modification needed. So we will beE > quite happy to move to whatever version is current for the hardwareG > platform.n  I And you also talked about the fact the application does not particularly  H use the clustering services (i.e. it is not distributed it is failover).  G So the primary consideration of availability has to be more around the  I hardware capabilities, minimum number of power supplies to run, multiple eD network connections between other cluster members, multiple storage  connections.  E You'll find that the ES range offer far better availability features rH than the DS range, e.g. you can get the same CPU speeds, the IO figures I vary a little, the expandability is different of course, but this should aG explain the cost difference. Where a DS15 or DS25 may appear to suite, t% the ES45 or ES47 may be a better fit.i  E The configuration, 2 or 3 nodes, etc. really is outside the scope of II this, you need analysis of what you're trying to achieve by someone that  B knows what and how VMS can deliver what is needed. No easy answer.     > D > The 'snapshot' backup was questioned. We take a database backup atE > present by closing processes that are using the database shadowset,7F > removing one member, and restarting the application. The applicationF > is down for about 1 minuite, and the disk is shadowcopied in about 2H > hours later after it has been copied to tape. I know that dismemberingF > a shadowset in this way is not remomended, but its worked for us forE > many years on a daily basis! We were hoping that a SAN solution may H > enable us to take a snapshot at the SAN level, maybe with VMS not even > knowing about it??  E VMS data integrity is something you should never question. VMS would e" rather bugcheck than corrupt data.  G When a shadowset is dissolved, it's gone. Data frozen where its needed.o  H VMS does not care about the data presentation characteristics. If its a H RAID with a failed member, rebuilding, VMS doesn't need to know or care ? at the hardware level. When VMS gets the status for data write nH completion, you know that it has arrived at the storage medium. Whether H or not the storage medium has that data in a cache, or it's finally hit G the oxide, who knows. And that is the whole point, your snapshot could i be junk.  E A key difference between hardware mirroring and HBVS, to give it the x1 full title, and in your case, all the difference.n    D > As I said before the application does not need CPU power. But disk > bandwidth would help alot.  D The DS will blow the AS1000 out of the water in this regard, but it 2 could let you down where the AS1000 may/would not.  F This is not all TPS and technology, it is intrinsic service, and it's D why I'm advising there's more than meets the eye in a quote for kit. -- wE Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciences? nclews at csc dot comu   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:35:37 GMT"1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>m( Subject: Re: Resilient VMS server config< Message-ID: <tP6Sc.3936$735.2955@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>   Chris Hale wrote:a  	 > Hi all,- > H > I could do with some advice regards a highly resilient server/cluster. > F > We have an application which is not processor intensive, and it doesH > not require huge amounts of disk space. In fact we have had it running7 > on an Alpha1000 with 2.1G disks without any problems.. > F > However we need replace old hardware and to ensure that it is highly > available. > F > At the moment its running on a cluster of 4 Alpha's with shared SCSID > disks between each pair of nodes, and host based volume shadowing. > A > We are now proposing a pair of  DS25's with a SAN providing theaB > storage, and possibly host based volume shadowing across logicalF > volumes provided by the SAN. The logical volumes themselves can then< > be members of a raid array or mirror. The proposed cluster7 > interconnect would be fibre, with an Ethernet backup.e > E > As well as any general advice or comments, could anyone address theP > following: > D > 1. Should we bother with host based volume shadowing, when the SAN > provides raid or mirrors?t  P Each has it's pro's and con's  If they are on the same Storage Controller, then A the Mirror/RAID will remove the overhead of doing this on the CPU   > > 2. Does a SAN help with image backups whilst maintaining theE > availability of the disk? For example can we take a 'snapshot' of at= > volume with very little loss of availability of the volume?.  Q There is NO loss of availablity** Do online backups of your database to a backup eP LUN and then back that up to tape - yes it is a 2 step process, but can be done O with NO interruption of service depending on the database engine you are using.(  H > 3. The application does not require a cluster, but is able to failoverG > to another node. Is there a good reason to go for three nodes insteadm	 > of two?n  J If you have 2 DS25's for production and failover and let's say a DS15 for ; Maintenance stuff - like doing the actual backup to tape...r  = > 4. Can anyone comment on the reliability of SAN solutions? r  E If built correctly-- EXTREMELY reliable!!!  see recommendations belowa   > * > Any help of advice would be appreciated. > 	 > Thanks.o >  > Chris.    
 Questions:   What database engine/version? F Which storage controller will be employeed on the SAN? EVA? HSG80? XP?  P When considering your backups, you want to purchase enough storage that you can Q keep 2 full copies plus incrementals ONINE.  If you have to restore from tape in aO an environmnent that can only stand downtime 3 times a year, you don't want to 3P rely on tape as your primary medium.  With disk be "cheap" compared to the cost M of downtime, this is a no-brainer.  You need to do a DR test.  Hand your sys SP admin (you??)  a stack of tapes and go restore them somewhere.  How long did it < take? can you afford that kind of downtime time? I doubt it.  O I worked in a shop that had these sorts of challenges.  We used the technology tO to do online backups to disk then a seperate process to move them from disk to  K tape as a last resort only type of recovery. (200+ Alpha servers in 2 node  Q cluster configurations and a "maintenance cluster" for doing the actual backups.  Q 36+ HSG80's (BA and EMA) 6 EVA's and now at least one or two XP1024's  all fully sP loaded with (18, 36, 72, 146 drives - over 4500 spindles and more than 300TB of 
 raw storage.).  P If you are in need of a consultant to help implement this, let me know... It is C cool stuff, but unless you do it right, it won't be very efficient.   O Also, building your SAN right the first time will help keep you out of trouble g in the future.   Recommendations:  K 	each system has a minimum of 2 HBA's #1 goes to SAN-A and #2 goes to SAN-BlL 	you should have 2 redundant SANS - not the "star" interconnect where every H switch is ISL'ed to every other switch - this makes SAN upgrades nearly P impossible without serious downtime and needlessly wastes your port count.  The M newer switches with hot code uploads make it better, but IMPO dual-redundant   SANS are much more resiliant.dP 	Use Brocade - IMPO they are still the leader and managment is much easier than  the others. F 	Use EVA with enough spindles to have 2 copies of your backups online.M 	Use Snapshots (Business Copy) to move data from your backup drives to  tape.m   This was for free. -- o Michael Austin.h Consultant - Available.t@ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:02:20 +0200-2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> Subject: Re: Routing under VMS4 Message-ID: <cf9rm8$pl$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>   Michael Moroney schrieb: > L > What problem are they trying to solve?  It sounds like it may be "if it's H > not TCP/IP, I don't understand it, therefore get rid of it!" politics. Mike,y  G nearly correct, but the university network group wants more or less to  E have a pure tcpip (or routing) world with arguments like performance s@ reasons etc. In the past when VMS was spread out over the whole G university everything of typical DEC protocols like LAT, cluster, Last sI was bridged. At this time we could share resources in different parts of lF the university, e.g. I provided the VMS Alpha Doks on my infoserver a ? guy elsewhere on his the VMS VAX CDs etc. When the DEC systems i@ dissappeared the network people tried to shut down the bridging A completely. So now the few VMS islands cannot communicate in the fB mentioned way as before. Only by constant pressure I achieved the G exception that in my area bridging is partly still existing - till now.    Otto   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:58:01 +0000.= From: Thomas Schildknecht <thomas.schildknecht@aiub.unibe.ch>e& Subject: ssh on HP TCP/IP Services 5.4- Message-ID: <4118D469.2E9E5E91@aiub.unibe.ch>   @ Does anyone know how I can get the client host address (IP) whenE connected via ssh to the VMS system. (I would like to write a command. file to set the "Display").o  2 I'm using HP TCP/IP Services 5.4 on OpenVMS 7.3-2.   Thanks,h   Thomas   -- iH ************************************************************************G Thomas Schildknecht            eMail: thomas.schildknecht@aiub.unibe.ch+B Astronomical Institute         www:      http://www.aiub.unibe.ch/  University of Bern              B Sidlerstrasse 5                Phone:        +41-31-631 85 94 (91)= CH-3012 Bern, Switzerland      Fax:          +41-31-631 38 69 H ************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:09:32 -0500r1 From: "Grealy, Patrick" <PGrealy@sph.uth.tmc.edu> * Subject: RE: ssh on HP TCP/IP Services 5.4L Message-ID: <EEC575D39D864C4BBAE8CD309982B0F2081780@sphnt33.sph.uth.tmc.edu>  F Try f$getdvi("tt","tt_accpornam"). This works for Process Software ssh server. - Pat G.   -----Original Message-----G From: Thomas Schildknecht [mailto:thomas.schildknecht@aiub.unibe.ch]=20 & Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:58 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & Subject: ssh on HP TCP/IP Services 5.4  @ Does anyone know how I can get the client host address (IP) whenE connected via ssh to the VMS system. (I would like to write a command  file to set the "Display").o  2 I'm using HP TCP/IP Services 5.4 on OpenVMS 7.3-2.   Thanks,r   Thomas   --=20 H ************************************************************************G Thomas Schildknecht            eMail: thomas.schildknecht@aiub.unibe.chdB Astronomical Institute         www:      http://www.aiub.unibe.ch/" University of Bern             =20B Sidlerstrasse 5                Phone:        +41-31-631 85 94 (91)= CH-3012 Bern, Switzerland      Fax:          +41-31-631 38 69vH ************************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 12:28:03 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c* Subject: Re: ssh on HP TCP/IP Services 5.43 Message-ID: <DwyrH8+xoFIy@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  m In article <4118D469.2E9E5E91@aiub.unibe.ch>, Thomas Schildknecht <thomas.schildknecht@aiub.unibe.ch> writes:rB > Does anyone know how I can get the client host address (IP) whenG > connected via ssh to the VMS system. (I would like to write a commands > file to set the "Display").1 > 4 > I'm using HP TCP/IP Services 5.4 on OpenVMS 7.3-2.  	    Don't.s  E    First of all, the display is not set to the remote system when younA    are tunneling X11 over SSH, it's set to a SSH "display" on the D    local system, which connects into the tunnel.  SSH should set it 5    automatically.  Typically it's display 10 or more.   D    Second of all, support for X11 tunneling via TCP/IP Services' SSH@    is abysmal.  Wait until it's fixed, or get a better IP stack.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:11:24 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>I Subject: Re: Stolen IP via India Outsourcing - Getting what they deserve? * Message-ID: <2nrap0F3qqvpU1@uni-berlin.de>   Wayne Sewell wrote:m- >>From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>, >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmstG >>Subject: Stolen IP via India Outsourcing - Getting what they deserve?l) >>Message-ID: <4113A60F.3090306@MMaz.com>p' >>Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:38:55 -0700./ >>Organization: Info-VAX<==>comp.os.vms Gatewaye >  >  > - >>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=3D17700m >>  >>A jolly tough time, nathurally >>L >>By Tamlin Magee <mailto:Tamlin.Magee@theinquirer.net>: Friday 06 August=20
 >>2004, 10:22  >>M >>*US SOFTWARE COMPANY* Jolly Technologies has reported some of its source=20 J >>code, as well as "confidential design documents" has been stolen from=20I >>its research and development centre in India. Apparently, the stolen=20 L >>goods were to do with one of Jolly Technologies' "key products." Thanks=20H >>to the thievery, all development at the centre has been temporarily=20
 >>stopped. >>J >>Jolly Technologies reckons the code and documents were sneaked out of=20M >>the centre by a recently-hired software engineer. Supposedly, she used a=20oK >>yahoo e-mail account to upload the documents and transport them out of=20nK >>the facility. The blokes at the R+D facility are currently trying hard=20t) >>to stop the source code from spreading.o >>K >>Unfortunately for Jolly, a lack of tight intellectual property laws in=20CL >>India makes taking legal action against the employee almost impossible.=20H >>However, the fellows from Jolly's San Carlos, California branch are=20J >>talking to local Indian authorities and trying to sort something out.=20M >>The Indian branch will not be employing or continuing research until the=20t% >>facility has been properly secured.< >>J >>The company, which is a vendor of labelling and card software for the=20K >>printing industry, established its R+D base in Mumbai just under three=20  >>months ago. =B5  >> >   + Sorry, not funny at all when consider this:-  = http://feinstein.senate.gov/04Releases/r-privacyoutsource.htmO  C "A recent case that spurred both Nelson and Feinstein to introduce eD legislation occurred last fall when a U.S. hospital hired a medical G transcriber in Pakistan through a subcontractor to work with sensitive hI patient health information. Later, the foreign worker claimed she hadn't  E been paid for her work. So, she threatened to post patients' medical t$ records online unless she was paid."   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:49:54 GMTI+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) I Subject: Re: Stolen IP via India Outsourcing - Getting what they deserve?a2 Message-ID: <mL1Sc.16963$rb2.395@fe2.texas.rr.com>  + Paul Sture (nospam@sture.homeip.net) wrote:, : Wayne Sewell wrote:s/ : >>From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>t : >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsiI : >>Subject: Stolen IP via India Outsourcing - Getting what they deserve? + : >>Message-ID: <4113A60F.3090306@MMaz.com>t) : >>Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:38:55 -0700m1 : >>Organization: Info-VAX<==>comp.os.vms Gateway  : >  : >  : > / : >>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=3D17700  : >>" : >>A jolly tough time, nathurally : >>K : >>By Tamlin Magee <mailto:Tamlin.Magee@theinquirer.net>: Friday 06 Auguste : >>2004, 10:22e : >>L : >>*US SOFTWARE COMPANY* Jolly Technologies has reported some of its sourceI : >>code, as well as "confidential design documents" has been stolen fromiH : >>its research and development centre in India. Apparently, the stolenK : >>goods were to do with one of Jolly Technologies' "key products." ThanksnG : >>to the thievery, all development at the centre has been temporarilye : >>stopped. : >>I : >>Jolly Technologies reckons the code and documents were sneaked out ofeL : >>the centre by a recently-hired software engineer. Supposedly, she used aJ : >>yahoo e-mail account to upload the documents and transport them out ofJ : >>the facility. The blokes at the R+D facility are currently trying hard+ : >>to stop the source code from spreading.i : >>J : >>Unfortunately for Jolly, a lack of tight intellectual property laws inK : >>India makes taking legal action against the employee almost impossible.uG : >>However, the fellows from Jolly's San Carlos, California branch are I : >>talking to local Indian authorities and trying to sort something out.uL : >>The Indian branch will not be employing or continuing research until the' : >>facility has been properly secured.  : >>I : >>The company, which is a vendor of labelling and card software for theRJ : >>printing industry, established its R+D base in Mumbai just under three : >>months ago. =B5c : >> : >  : - : Sorry, not funny at all when consider this:o : ? : http://feinstein.senate.gov/04Releases/r-privacyoutsource.htmo : E : "A recent case that spurred both Nelson and Feinstein to introduce  F : legislation occurred last fall when a U.S. hospital hired a medical I : transcriber in Pakistan through a subcontractor to work with sensitive tK : patient health information. Later, the foreign worker claimed she hadn't tG : been paid for her work. So, she threatened to post patients' medical e& : records online unless she was paid." :d  ; U.S. consumers' credit histories are also going overseas...k  J    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/11/07/MNG4Q2SEAM1.DTL+    Credit agencies sending our files abroadi  D   "...Two of the three major credit-reporting agencies, each holdingI    detailed files on about 220 million U.S. consumers, are in the process E    of outsourcing sensitive operations abroad, and a third may followsC    suit shortly, industry officials acknowledge for the first time.   E    Privacy advocates say the outsourcing of files that include SocialaG    Security numbers and complete credit histories could lead to a surge C    in identity theft because U.S. laws cannot be enforced overseas.   I    For their part, the credit agencies say the trend is a necessary cost-i@    cutting move in light of new legislation that would allow all;    consumers to obtain free copies of their credit reports.   G    The top credit agencies -- Equifax, Experian and Trans Union -- haveIH    refused in the past to comment on their outsourcing plans. No longer.  I    "A hundred percent of our mail regarding customer disputes is going tooI    go to India at some point," said David Emery, executive vice presidenthD    and chief financial officer of TransUnion in Chicago. "We are nowH    testing the system and negotiating a contract with an outside vendor.;    We expect to sign that contract by the end of the year."o  F    Emery said in an interview that the decision to have an Indian firmH    handle thousands of written requests for changes to credit files eachE    year was necessitated in part by the amended Fair Credit ReportingM;    Act, which was approved by the U.S. Senate on Wednesday.   F    The act would require credit agencies to provide copies of personalE    credit files to anyone who asks -- an expense that TransUnion, foriH    one, estimates could cost the company as much as $350 million a year.  A    A credit file serves as a snapshot of one's legal identity and I    financial status. It contains a person's name, address, date of birth,H?    Social Security number and details of relationships with allw)    credit-card issuers and other lenders.B  I    Emery also said the decision to "offshore'' a key customer service was ?    necessitated by "the competition placed on us by Equifax andn
    Experian."c  I    Equifax, he said, was the first major credit agency to move operationssI    abroad, establishing a facility in the Caribbean. Experian, meanwhile,iE    is "actively testing" work with an overseas affiliate, Emery said.e  D    "We had to get into this process for defensive reasons," he said.  E    An Equifax spokesman's first response when asked about the AtlantaeD    company's outsourcing was to insist that all customer service wasE    handled at North American facilities. Confronted with TransUnion's G    remarks, though, a senior Equifax official later offered a differenti
    answer.  G    "We have a vendor in Jamaica," said Rob Hogan, senior vice presidenteG    of customer services. "The Jamaican workers handle data entry at theeE    very beginning of the reinvestigation process (for disputed credit/
    reports).":  I    He said the overseas workers had "limited access" to consumers' credit,=    files but were "closely supervised by our Atlanta office."m  G    Hogan acknowledged that Equifax had had "problems from time to time"FF    with consumers' privacy being compromised. But he said each problemF    had led to improvements in security. He also said there had been noH    known security breaches in the four years that Equifax has outsourced    to Jamaica.  >    "We take great care of our data," Hogan stressed. "It's our    livelihood."   H    An Experian spokesman, Addrian Brooks, denied Trans Union's assertionD    that the Costa Mesa company is now "actively testing" an overseasF    operation. "We are confident that Trans Union doesn't know what ourB    plans are because we don't know what their plans are," he said.  F    However, Brooks repeatedly emphasized that Experian could outsource    work abroad at any time..."     --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:54:11 +0200t0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>I Subject: Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too? B Message-ID: <4118d384$0$28844$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   John Smith wrote:u > John E. Malmberg wrote:m >  >>John Smith wrote:1 >>N > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=738&e=9&u=/zd/2004 >  >>>0805/tc_zd/132964 >>C >>This is a PDF file, however it does mention that Ingres currentlyr0 >>supports OpenVMS.  It displays fine with xpdf. >>? >>http://www3.ca.com/Files/WhitePapers/ingres_opensource_wp.pdfd >># >>Official rules for the challenge:  >>H >>http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Collateral.asp?CID=61137 links to another) >>PDF file that xpdf has no problem with.n >>H >>I like section 3.3 where you are eligible even if your contribution toE >>an open source project was rejected.  You just had to try to submitu >>one. >> >>B >>As for the operating system, the application must support LINUX,G >>Microsoft Windows, and UNIX with the variant of UNIX unspecified.  SoeD >>it looks like a single operating system solution is not an option.C >>But nothing excludes developing a solution that includes OpenVMS.g >>G >>A http://www.google.com search shows that there appears to be moduless= >>for both PERL and PYTHON to support an interface to Ingres.b >>H >>This would indicate that along with compiled solutions, an interpreted( >>solution may also be a valid solution. >  >  > N > I wasn't poting this in an attempt to get people to do Ingres things for VMS	 > per se.o > N > What I was attempting to do was to get people thinking on how HP could offerM > *serious* money for ISV's or others to port mainstream non-VMS apps to VMS.r > N > How many ERP, or CRM, or pure accounting apps are there for OpenVMS anymore? >  >      Oh... Just a few...     F *ACCOUNTING, FINANCE, GENERAL LEDGER, HRM, PAYROLL, SALES, PURCHASING*  E ACCESS - Fakt-o-r - automated invoicing for smaller service-oriented e
 companies.' http://www.access.si/Faktor/Faktor1.htmu+ ACCESS - KiD - Credits and loans management * http://www.access.si/Projects/Projects.htm2 ACCESS - SOVA accounting SW for municipal services* http://www.access.si/Projects/Projects.htm3 Achil.Net (formerly Hirschmann Software Systeme AG). http://www.achil.net/u Achil.Net - HISO LOCO U http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/mop/mop_partner_product_detail_IDX/1,1331,5117,00.htmle Achil.Net - HISO Time U http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/mop/mop_partner_product_detail_IDX/1,1331,5118,00.html 
 ADD Energy$ http://www.addsys.com/add_energy.htm= Agresso N.V. - AGRESSO Business World (in review for OpenVMS)CE http://www.agresso.com/default.asp?f=/solutions/products/overview.asps ALLSHARE - PERSONNEL/VIEW@! http://www.allshare.nl/personnel/tH Barron McCann - BACS Payment Systems - can accept payment files created  on VMS; http://www.bemac.com/EPS/s1pressrelease.asp?PRID=123&S1ID=1' Barron McCann - ModCheck- http://www.bemac.com/EPS/section3.asp?S3ID=20t Barron McCann - BACSESS-iP- http://www.bemac.com/EPS/section2.asp?S2ID=13/E BetaData Systems, Inc. - BetaMED - Medical Practice Management Systemo# http://www.betadata.net/medical.htmuF BetaData Systems, Inc. - BetaSPORT - Sports Facility Management System" http://www.betadata.net/sports.htm= BIOS Software GmbH - ConSign - Vertrags- und LizenzverwaltungpC http://www.bios-software.de/bios/produkte/consign/consign_kurz.html=+ BIOS Software GmbH - Exped Adressverwaltunge? http://www.bios-software.de/bios/produkte/exped/exped_kurz.htmln CODA - CODA-Financials5 http://www.coda.com/solutions/Products/financials.asp  CODA - Financial Intelligencep  http://www.coda.com/default2.aspD Commercial Computer Services (CCS) - Combined Commercial Accounting 	 Solutionsp" http://www.ccs4vms.com/page11.htmlL Competitive Computing, Inc. - Enterprise Solutions (in progress for OpenVMS)8 http://www.competitive.com/TB1+BL+I+C.asp?SiteAreaID=514I Convergys Corporation - Comprehensive Business Support Systems - Billing g	 Solutions2% http://www.convergys.com/billing.html 6 Convergys Corporation - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/telecom/Convergys.html( Data Pro Inc. - fund accounting software http://www.data-pro.com/ Data Pro Inc. - Partner Brief 8 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/partners/datapro/index.htm, Datacon A/S - DC/4 (in progress for OpenVMS)& http://www.datacon.dk/content.22.30.264 Digiflex Information Systems Inc. - CLASS Financials! http://www.digiflex.ca/class.htmlsD Digiflex Information Systems Inc. - ProCLASS Distribution Management System Executive$ http://www.digiflex.ca/proclass.htmlB Digital Design Inc - Accounting, PAYROLL,SALES,INVENTORY,PURCHASES! http://www.ddi.qc.ca/default2.htmh4 Digital Design Inc. - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/digital/index.htm7 Document Sciences - Autograph (in progress for OpenVMS)o4 http://www.docscience.com/technologies/autograph.asp6 Document Sciences - CompuSet (in progress for OpenVMS)3 http://www.docscience.com/technologies/compuset.aspe< Document Sciences - Print Emitters (in progress for OpenVMS)3 http://www.docscience.com/technologies/compuset.asp F Document Sciences - Visual CompuSet Professional Edition (in progress  for OpenVMS)0 http://www.docscience.com/technologies/vcpro.aspD Down To Earth Business Software - Software Accounting Solutions for  Todays BusinessC http://www.datvsn.com/C Eiger Systems Limited - BILLER WIZARD  EBPP, online and telephone  $ banking validation software solution2 http://www.eiger.co.uk/htmlfiles/biller_wizard.htmJ Eiger Systems Limited - EigerPAY Gateway - BACSTEL-IP software for NewBACS, http://www.eiger.co.uk/htmlfiles/gateway.htm$ Eyelit Inc. | HARMON*eyes | Overview3 http://www.eyelit.com/products/harmon_overview.html3& Eyelit Inc. | RATIONAL*eyes | Overview1 http://eyelit.com/products/rational_overview.htmlgF Frontier Software - CHRIS Integrated Human Resource & Payroll Software  http://www.frontiersoftware.com/ Geac - Accounts Payable 5 http://www.geac.com/object/sbaccountspayable_GCS.html  Geac - Accounts Receivable8 http://www.geac.com/object/sbaccountsreciveable_GCS.html Geac - General Ledgers3 http://www.geac.com/object/sbgeneralledger_GCS.htmln Geac - Real Asset Management, http://www.geac.com/object/realpart_GES.html7 GEMINAQ Systems Limited - Canada (must view with MS IE)gO http://web.archive.org/web/20030603203323/www.gformula.com/gformula/default.asptG Gruppo Formula - Financial Manager (FM) and Fixed Asset (FA) - Wayback n MachinenO http://web.archive.org/web/20030603203323/www.gformula.com/gformula/default.aspo. GRUPPO FORMULA SPA Information at Business.comb http://www.business.com/directory/computers_and_software/software_applications/gruppo_formula_spa/ Hewitt Associates LLC - Cyborg http://www.cyborg.com/ Hirschmann Software Systeme AG http://www.hico.ch/ 	 HISO LOCOaU http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/mop/mop_partner_product_detail_IDX/1,1331,5117,00.htmlE	 HISO Time!U http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/mop/mop_partner_product_detail_IDX/1,1331,5118,00.htmls IMSure Network Inc. - B2Bflex-6 http://www.imsurenetwork.com/Solutions_HP_B2BFlex.html IMSure Network Inc. - B2Cflexh6 http://www.imsurenetwork.com/Solutions_HP_B2CFlex.html5 IMSure Network, Inc. - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief 4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/imsure/index.html- Infoflex Inc. - Accountflex Accounting Systemw$ http://www.infoflex.com/accuindx.htmI INFOMEDIA LTD - AutoLedgers - secure online Dealership Management System b (DMS)e0 http://www.bsd.infomedia.com.au/autoledgers.html( Kronos - Timekeeper Central for OpenVMS& http://www.kronos.com/Products/TKC.htmJ Lightsout - CORONA - complete solution for the service management industry, http://www.lightsout.co.uk/sermanagement.htm# LightsOut Computer Services Limiteda http://www.lightsout.co.uk/tD LightsOut Computer Services Limited - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/lightsout/index.htm MANAGEMENT TOOLS (V00313)n< http://www.decus.org/libcatalog/description_html/v00313.htmlI Martin Group, Inc. (formerly Martin and Associates, Inc.) - eStatement - M VMS Online Account AccessbD http://www.martin-associates.com/Solutions/OSS/Online/eStatement.aspF Martin Group, Inc. (formerly Martin and Associates, Inc.) - Martin OSS! http://www.mksinc.com/midas_t.htmnD MKS, Inc. - MIDAS - an integrated distribution and accounting system! http://www.mksinc.com/midas_t.htmoH Mhlmann Software-Engineering und Unternehmensberatung - Comsoft-11/Plus http://www.moehlmann.de/E Mhlmann Software-Engineering und Unternehmensberatung - Firmenprofilo& http://www.dach.org/profile/373683.htm2 NOW Solutions - emPath - HRMS and Payroll Solution7 http://www.nowsolutions.com/sections/solutions.asp?p=emtB Open Business Solutions - obs Financials (in progress for OpenVMS)i http://www.obsltd.co.uk/htmldocs/aboutus/obs1.asp?level1=3&level2=4&level3=2&level4=0&level5=0&templ=obs1cB OpenAccounts Plc - OpenAccounts Enterprise Project Accounting (in  progress for OpenVMS)l0 http://www.openaccounts.com/solutions/sol_pa.php$ Oracle Financials - E-Business Suite. http://www.oracle.com/applications/financials/? P&I Personal & Informatik AG - LOGA Personnel Management - HRMSrG http://english.personal-und-informatik.de/produkte/loga2001/index.shtmle6 PeopleSoft | Enterprise Financial Management SolutionsD http://www.peoplesoft.com/corp/en/products/line/financials/index.jsp QIT Solutions - ictCOSTf0 http://www.qitsolutions.nl/diensten/d_index.htmlI QIT Solutions - Marval Service Management Suite (in progress for OpenVMS) 2 http://www.qitsolutions.nl/diensten/d_dienst3.htmlI QQQ Software's TPL Software Tools for Cross Tabulation and Report Writing- http://www.qqqsoft.com/,B R-Square AG - SW fur Vermogensverwaltung (in progress for OpenVMS)$ http://www.r-square.de/produkte.html* SIMCO - Time and Labor Collection Software/ http://www.simconv.com/TimeLaborCollection.html E SmartData Inc. - SmartManage - a platform-independent, desktop virus  F immune, interactive asset and facilities management information system9 http://www.smart-data.com/product_docs/smartmanage_v3.pdfeI Softcad - Gebaudemanagement - facility management (in review for OpenVMS)t, http://www.softcad.ch/d/angebot/facility.aspC Spokane Computer, Inc. - FACS - Financial Accounting Control Systemw' http://www.spokanecomputer.com/facs.asps> Spokane Computer Incorporated - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/spokane/index.htmA Socit de Conseillers de Direction (SCOD) - COMPTAREL 400 (v5.3 l Shipping for OpenVMS 7.3)b9 http://www.scod.fr/scodinternet_app/asp/comptarel400.html C Soft Link AG - TOMAS - a Voice Network Management System (NMS) for i high-end NMS applicationsn5 http://www.softlink.ch/sl7/lng/en/htm/tomas/index.htma) SSA Global Technologies - bought interBiz  http://www.ssagt.com/oD SSA Global Technologies, Inc. - MK Logistics (in review for OpenVMS)9 http://www.ssaglobal.com/solutions/products/index.aspx#mknH SSA Global Technologies, Inc. - MK Manufacturing (in review for OpenVMS)9 http://www.ssaglobal.com/solutions/products/index.aspx#mke* SSA Global Technologies, Inc. - SSA MANMAN= http://www.ssaglobal.com/solutions/products/index.aspx#manmand SSA Global - MANMAN 8 http://www.baan.com/solutions/products/index.aspx#manman SSA Global - MAXCIMo8 http://www.baan.com/solutions/products/index.aspx#maxcimD SSA Global (formerly from CA interBiz) - the eBusiness applications  division of Computer Associatesc http://interbiz.cai.com/H SSA Global (formerly from CA interBiz) - MANMAN/OpenVMS - Broshure - PDFE ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/store/solutionstore/ca_Manman_SB_0400_ro.pdf 6 SSA Global (formerly from CA interBiz) - Partner Brief? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/manufacturing/interbiz.html I Strategic Systems International Ltd - Tropos 2000 (in review for OpenVMS)h http://www.ssi-world.com/tI SunGard - BondMaster - comprehensive registered, bearer, mixed-issue and p' book-entry bondholder accounting systemo= http://www.sungard.com/products_and_services/sias/bondmaster/S SunGard - BondMaster - PDFV http://www.sungard.com/products_and_services/sias/bondmaster/downloads/bondmaster1.pdf SunGard - Business ContinuityoN http://www.availability.sungard.com/Products+And+Services/Business+Continuity/= SunGard - CertMaster - ASSET-BACKED SECURITY PROCESSING - PDFi_ http://www.sungard.com/products_and_services/sias/certmaster/information/cmassetbckdsecproc.pdf J SunGard - CertMaster - bondholder recordkeeping and paying agency solution= http://www.sungard.com/products_and_services/sias/certmaster/n5 SunGard - 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(SFFA) - DOLLAR$ System http://www.sffainc.com/-' Syzygy Telecommunications Ltd. - FRAUD+1 http://www.syzygy.net/A Thoroughbred Software International Inc. - Solution-IV AccountingR. http://www.tbred.com/solutioniv/indexsol4.html$ Timecost Solutions Ltd. 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(IFSZ) - FOKUSz (in progress  for OpenVMS)& http://www.ifsz.hu/category/37,49#ID49I Martin Group, Inc. (formerly Martin and Associates, Inc.) - eStatement - a VMS Online Account Access D http://www.martin-associates.com/Solutions/OSS/Online/eStatement.asp> OrcaSoft Ltd - Quantum Series CRM/BI (in progress for OpenVMS)2 http://www.orcasoft.co.uk/flash/orcasoft_html.html4 Pegasystems Inc. - PegaCRM (in progress for OpenVMS)@ http://www.pegasystems.com/ProductsServices/ProductsServices.asp/ Predict Ability PLUS, Inc. - PA+ - Call Manager1# http://www.paplus.com/products.html.5 Predict Ability PLUS, Inc. - Predictive Dialer SystemR# http://www.paplus.com/products.html$A Primus Knowledge Solutions, Inc. (formerly Amacis Inc.) - Amacis  $ Visibility (in progress for OpenVMS) http://www.primus.com/ Redwood - OutRun* http://www.redwood.com/products/outrun.htm? Ross Systems, Inc. - iRenaissance CRM (in progress for OpenVMS)rB http://www.rossinc.com/aview.asp?atype=W_PRO&id=1446&showexpired=1E Ross Systems, Inc. - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief - Integrity Readyt1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/ross/index.htmy1 Ross Systems, Inc. - OpenVMS Healthcare Solutionst8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/healthcare/ross.htmlC Soft Link AG - TOMAS - a Voice Network Management System (NMS) for   high-end NMS applications 5 http://www.softlink.ch/sl7/lng/en/htm/tomas/index.htmD, Swiftbase International - Contact Management7 http://www.swiftbase.com/applications2/contact_mgr.htmlf: SYSLOG Informatique SA - SYSLOG-COMMERCE (Vente/Marketing)* http://www.syslog.ch/fr/produits/index.htmF Talent2 Works Pty. Limited (formerly Concept Systems International) -  Lattice (in review for OpenVMS)-5 http://www.talent2.com.au/Works/Products/Default.aspx0. Thoroughbred Software International Inc. - AEK& http://www.tbred.com/aek/indexaek.html    . *Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) Solutions*  - Arel - Arel Total Management Solution (ATOMS)t( http://www.arel.com.au/main/products.htm CODA - Financial Intelligence   http://www.coda.com/default2.asp< Cognos - Enterprise Business Intelligence Software Solutions http://www.cognos.com/F Cognos 2000 News Release: Cognos Announces Latest PowerHouse Software F for Building Web, Windows and Terminal-Based Applications on Compaq's  OpenVMS Business Servers5 http://www.cognos.com/news/releases/2000/rel_287.html. Cognos Axiant 4GL Overview0 http://www.cognos.com/products/axiant/index.html  Cognos Partners: Compaq Overview: http://www.cognos.com/partners/strategic/compaq/index.html Cognos Powerhouse - BrochureU ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/store/solutionstore/01-0305_Cognos_PowerHouse_SB_5-24_ro.pdf  Cognos PowerHouse - Overview4 http://www.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/index.html  Cognos PowerHouse 4GL - Overview1 http://www.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/ph.htmlE Cognos PowerHouse Webn4 http://www.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/phweb.html% Cognos PowerHouse Web - press releaseh5 http://www.cognos.com/news/releases/2000/rel_287.html 5 Cognos - PowerHouse for Compaq OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIXi5 http://www.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/compaq.html 4 Cognos Incorporated - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/cognos/index.html
 HP and CognosP4 http://h18001.www1.hp.com/partners/cognos/index.htmlD Commercial Computer Services (CCS) - Combined Commercial Accounting 	 Solutionsv" http://www.ccs4vms.com/page11.htmlL Competitive Computing, Inc. - Enterprise Solutions (in progress for OpenVMS)8 http://www.competitive.com/TB1+BL+I+C.asp?SiteAreaID=514, Datacon A/S - DC/4 (in progress for OpenVMS)& http://www.datacon.dk/content.22.30.264 Digiflex Information Systems Inc. - CLASS Financials! http://www.digiflex.ca/class.htmleE Digiflex Information Systems Inc. - ProCLASS Distribution Management   System Executive$ http://www.digiflex.ca/proclass.html Down To Earth Business Software*" http://www.datvsn.com/products.htm ORACLE - E-Business Suite2# http://www.oracle.com/applications/sF Martin Group, Inc. (formerly Martin and Associates, Inc.) - Martin OSS< http://www.martin-associates.com/solutions/oss/martinoss.asp Ross Systems, Inc. http://www.rossinc.com/c% Ross Systems, Inc. - iRenaissance ERPnB http://www.rossinc.com/aview.asp?atype=W_PRO&id=1342&showexpired=1E Ross Systems, Inc. - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief - Integrity Ready 1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/ross/index.htmD1 Ross Systems, Inc. - OpenVMS Healthcare Solutionso8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/healthcare/ross.html) SSA Global Technologies - bought InterBizo http://www.ssagt.com/1 SSA Global - MANMANo8 http://www.baan.com/solutions/products/index.aspx#manmanI Strategic Systems International Ltd - Tropos 2000 (in review for OpenVMS)p http://www.ssi-world.com/n$ Timecost Solutions Ltd. (TCS) - ORCA* http://www.orcabytcs.com/ORCAoverview.html  H Note: The above solutions are reported (or planned in the future) to in C some way support OpenVMS participating as a host system or client, m  server or DB-back-end component.   Keith CayembergO. IBM Business Services GmbH - Hannover, Germany   Disclaimer:q= As I have not personally used any of these products, I do noteB recommend, endorse or vouch for any of these products in regard to3 their quality or usefulness for a specific purpose.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:44:35 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>I Subject: Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too?7A Message-ID: <4118df54$0$7315$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>m   Keith Cayemberg wrote:  9 > GEMINAQ Systems Limited - Canada (must view with MS IE)TR > http://web.archive.org/web/20030603203323/www.gformula.com/gformula/default.asp   A Oops! I justnoticed I messed-up on the abobe URL. It should be...e  ( http://geminaq.com/index_files/frame.htm   Cheers!    Keith    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:57:29 -0400=# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>tI Subject: Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too?s, Message-ID: <jf-dnTM2f-DBf4XcRVn-hA@igs.net>   Keith Cayemberg wrote: > John Smith wrote:w >> John E. Malmberg wrote: >> >>> John Smith wrote:l >>>u >>L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=738&e=9&u=/zd/2004 >> >>>> 0805/tc_zd/132964 >>>tE >>> This is a PDF file, however it does mention that Ingres currentlyn2 >>> supports OpenVMS.  It displays fine with xpdf. >>>rA >>> http://www3.ca.com/Files/WhitePapers/ingres_opensource_wp.pdfy >>>m% >>> Official rules for the challenge:o >>>oB >>> http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Collateral.asp?CID=61137 links to3 >>> another PDF file that xpdf has no problem with.0 >>>hG >>> I like section 3.3 where you are eligible even if your contributiontC >>> to an open source project was rejected.  You just had to try to  >>> submit one.l >>>n >>>dD >>> As for the operating system, the application must support LINUX,E >>> Microsoft Windows, and UNIX with the variant of UNIX unspecified.fA >>> So it looks like a single operating system solution is not aneD >>> option. But nothing excludes developing a solution that includes >>> OpenVMS. >>>oA >>> A http://www.google.com search shows that there appears to beiG >>> modules for both PERL and PYTHON to support an interface to Ingres.i >>>n> >>> This would indicate that along with compiled solutions, an6 >>> interpreted solution may also be a valid solution. >> >> >>G >> I wasn't poting this in an attempt to get people to do Ingres things- >> for VMS per se. >>C >> What I was attempting to do was to get people thinking on how HPRE >> could offer *serious* money for ISV's or others to port mainstreamw >> non-VMS apps to VMS.g >>F >> How many ERP, or CRM, or pure accounting apps are there for OpenVMS >> anymore?e >> >> >  >e > Oh... Just a few...B >y   <major snip> >hF > Note: The above solutions are reported (or planned in the future) toG > in some way support OpenVMS participating as a host system or client,0" > server or DB-back-end component. >  > Keith Cayemberg00 > IBM Business Services GmbH - Hannover, Germany >a
 > Disclaimer: ? > As I have not personally used any of these products, I do not>D > recommend, endorse or vouch for any of these products in regard to5 > their quality or usefulness for a specific purpose.      Keith,  K Just because they are listed in the HP resource directory doesn't mean that I they are available for VMS. I know some of these are not available on VMS  any longer.r  C Others, like G/L and related products from Systems Union used to bee available on VMS but no longer.l  G Suffice it to say that the list of available products on VMS is getting  shorter rather than longer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:49:51 +0200e0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>I Subject: Re: [OT]: $1 million prize for Ingres ISV's - How about VMS too? B Message-ID: <4118eea0$0$28852$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   John Smith wrote:a   > Keith Cayemberg wrote: >  >>John Smith wrote:r >> >>>John E. Malmberg wrote: >>>n >>>n >>>>John Smith wrote:  >>>> >>>tN > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=738&e=9&u=/zd/2004 >  >>>>>0805/tc_zd/132964 >>>>E >>>>This is a PDF file, however it does mention that Ingres currentlya2 >>>>supports OpenVMS.  It displays fine with xpdf. >>>>A >>>>http://www3.ca.com/Files/WhitePapers/ingres_opensource_wp.pdfn >>>>% >>>>Official rules for the challenge:r >>>>B >>>>http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Collateral.asp?CID=61137 links to3 >>>>another PDF file that xpdf has no problem with.b >>>>G >>>>I like section 3.3 where you are eligible even if your contribution C >>>>to an open source project was rejected.  You just had to try toi >>>>submit one./ >>>> >>>>D >>>>As for the operating system, the application must support LINUX,E >>>>Microsoft Windows, and UNIX with the variant of UNIX unspecified..A >>>>So it looks like a single operating system solution is not anuD >>>>option. But nothing excludes developing a solution that includes >>>>OpenVMS. >>>>A >>>>A http://www.google.com search shows that there appears to benG >>>>modules for both PERL and PYTHON to support an interface to Ingres.d >>>>> >>>>This would indicate that along with compiled solutions, an6 >>>>interpreted solution may also be a valid solution. >>>Q >>>1 >>> G >>>I wasn't poting this in an attempt to get people to do Ingres thingsj >>>for VMS per se. >>>iC >>>What I was attempting to do was to get people thinking on how HPrE >>>could offer *serious* money for ISV's or others to port mainstreama >>>non-VMS apps to VMS.  >>> F >>>How many ERP, or CRM, or pure accounting apps are there for OpenVMS >>>anymore?s >>>e >>>o >> >> >>Oh... Just a few...c >> >  >  > <major snip> > F >>Note: The above solutions are reported (or planned in the future) toG >>in some way support OpenVMS participating as a host system or client,e" >>server or DB-back-end component. >> >>Keith Cayembergg0 >>IBM Business Services GmbH - Hannover, Germany >>
 >>Disclaimer:t? >>As I have not personally used any of these products, I do notiD >>recommend, endorse or vouch for any of these products in regard to5 >>their quality or usefulness for a specific purpose.n >  >  >  > Keith, > M > Just because they are listed in the HP resource directory doesn't mean thate  D Which HP resource directory are you referring to? I know of about a F dozen listings in the Internet that fit this description. I only used @ VMS specific lists, and then checked each link for colaborating & information that mentions VMS support.  K > they are available for VMS. I know some of these are not available on VMSi
 > any longer.h  F Good, it can be that the level of support has been modified over time.I For inclusion in my list, it was only important that some version od VMS aD can in some way participate in the solution. Meaning somebody could F still have it running on their 20 year old VAX and be interested in a / current link to information. Various levels of  Z support/non-support/freeware-release/hobbyist-release/best-try-support/contracted-support G are possible or could be possible if one contacts/demands service from ID the vendor. This is a better modus-operandi as just to forget those # solutions which are near or in EOL.s  F Please inform me which of the listed products you believe have no VMS E support. My list was generally composed of recent (within the last 5 aD years) sources (several dozen sources). A majority of the solutions H listed have had new VMS compatible releases with that time or listed as " planning a VMS compatible release.  E > Others, like G/L and related products from Systems Union used to be ! > available on VMS but no longer.a  ' Thanks, didn't know about that one yet.   I > Suffice it to say that the list of available products on VMS is gettingw > shorter rather than longer.   F Have you counted? Which time frame are you referencing? In Germany, I E would definitely say the number of customers and the number of ISV's mI have greatly increased since 1990. This at least in-part due to the slow eH disappearance of "local-hero" products populating similar niches as VMS D such as the Nixdorf products, and also due to globalization effects ? inwhich successful VMS-shops have moved into the German market.i   Cheers!i   Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.441 ************************