1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 11 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 442       Contents: Re: Front page strikes Re: Front page strikes Re: Front page strikes Re: Front page strikes Re: Front page strikes+ Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul + Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul  Re: Microvax 3100-30 MPlayer is a DVD player   Re: Problem with DCPS and HP4300  Re: Problem with DCPS and HP4300! Re: ssh on HP TCP/IP Services 5.4 C Re: TECO manual location, was: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS , Using Fibrechannel on a Personal Workstation0 Re: Using Fibrechannel on a Personal Workstation  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:00:20 GMT # From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com  Subject: Re: Front page strikes 8 Message-ID: <a42ih05v1sgsc412usgcilkb4iukkp6ol4@4ax.com>  E On 9 Aug 2004 15:05:20 -0700, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) wrote:   G >Anyone out there been forced to use ms frontpage with an OpenVMS Alpha  >based CSWS webserver? > F >The DS15 I asked about converting disks from ODS2 to ODS5 a few weeksD >ago is now running CSWS (current 1.X version, not the 2.0 beta, allF >patches), but we held off on PHP/Perl/MySQL, etc until we had time to> >do the ODS5 conversion.  Out of the blue we now have to let aE >frontpage developer work with the system.  System is OpenVMS V7.3-2,  >patched up, TCPIP V5.4 eco 2. > G >There are no frontpage extensions in CSWS, so we tried the ftp publish E >with a dedicated account aimed at the root for that site's directory  >tree.  Problems:  > D >     Multi-dot filenames fail (and no found way to turn them off in >msfp)C >     All files transmitted in binary (HTM files are 512-byte fixed  >length record)  > B >There doesn't seem to be much in COV about using msfp with CSWS. D >Outside of expediting the ODS5 conversion (which was schedule for aD >couple of weekends from now, which may no longer be acceptable), ifD >anyone has useful suggestions or gotchas to post, please do.  SadlyE >using a different/better page builder is not an option; customer has @ >spoken.  Also, mass editing the files to change references fromG >multidot to ODS-2 legal names, and finding a way to transfer the files C >with appropriate character substitution in the names has also been  >nixed.  >  >Thanks in advance.  >  >Rich    1. what's a multi-dot filename?   F 2. Are you using M$ FP 2003 - with built in FTP? can't you use another= FTP tool and transmit in ASCII (if that makes any difference)    plenty to download from    http://www.downloads.com  4 (btw while we're on the subject of downloads.com and; 64-bitconsultancy.com I also own 64-bitdownloads.com .....  < and 64-bitdownload.com then there's 64-bitnews.com how about6 64-bitpc.com nahh 64-bitworkstation.com getting warmerA 64-bitserver.com whooh it's getting hot 64-bitcpu.com maybe - how E about 64-bitprocessor.com what too much hardware how about an OS Bill A - 64-bitoperatingsystem.com shorter OK 64-bitos.com too much well A maybe lets put it all in one package 64-bitcomputer.com yes going ) going gone to ... the highest bidder  ;-)      cheers,    Pete     2.     ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:56:48 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org Subject: Re: Front page strikes ) Message-ID: <04081013564828@antinode.org>   # From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com   ! > 1. what's a multi-dot filename?   D    A file name with more than one dot, like "a.b.c" (or as we'd say, "a^.b.c;1").  F    Of course, the original report that they "fail" was less than fullyE informative.  It'd be nice to have some details on who does what, and F then what happens.  Otherwise, it's tough to do more than guess at the problem(s).   H > 2. Are you using M$ FP 2003 - with built in FTP? can't you use another? > FTP tool and transmit in ASCII (if that makes any difference)   B    My experience with FrontPage is nil, but I assume that it has aG built-in FTP upload feature to send the local copies of files up to the F Web server via FTP, and that it works with other servers, and that theB users don't want to change their procedure to accomodate VMS.  But that's just an assumption.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 12:20:06 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) Subject: Re: Front page strikes = Message-ID: <bf98c417.0408101120.1bbcc39c@posting.google.com>   k jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) wrote in message news:<cc5619f2.0408091405.25f9656d@posting.google.com>... H > Anyone out there been forced to use ms frontpage with an OpenVMS Alpha > based CSWS webserver?  > G > The DS15 I asked about converting disks from ODS2 to ODS5 a few weeks E > ago is now running CSWS (current 1.X version, not the 2.0 beta, all G > patches), but we held off on PHP/Perl/MySQL, etc until we had time to ? > do the ODS5 conversion.  Out of the blue we now have to let a F > frontpage developer work with the system.  System is OpenVMS V7.3-2, > patched up, TCPIP V5.4 eco 2.  > H > There are no frontpage extensions in CSWS, so we tried the ftp publishF > with a dedicated account aimed at the root for that site's directory > tree.  Problems: > E >      Multi-dot filenames fail (and no found way to turn them off in  > msfp) D >      All files transmitted in binary (HTM files are 512-byte fixed > length record) > C > There doesn't seem to be much in COV about using msfp with CSWS.  E > Outside of expediting the ODS5 conversion (which was schedule for a E > couple of weekends from now, which may no longer be acceptable), if E > anyone has useful suggestions or gotchas to post, please do.  Sadly F > using a different/better page builder is not an option; customer hasA > spoken.  Also, mass editing the files to change references from H > multidot to ODS-2 legal names, and finding a way to transfer the filesD > with appropriate character substitution in the names has also been > nixed. >  > Thanks in advance. >  > Rich  , Ever looked at the HTML that MSFP creates?    $ Ugh! Hideous! Massively inefficient!  B It's almost enough to make one think that Bill Gates was getting a- per-tag commission from the W3C or something.    WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:05:08 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: Front page strikes , Message-ID: <41192afd$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  F you are much better off using dreamweaver. It costs more but it's much better than frontpage.    ? "William Webb" <williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in message 7 news:bf98c417.0408101120.1bbcc39c@posting.google.com... 3 > jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) wrote in message 9 news:<cc5619f2.0408091405.25f9656d@posting.google.com>... J > > Anyone out there been forced to use ms frontpage with an OpenVMS Alpha > > based CSWS webserver?  > > I > > The DS15 I asked about converting disks from ODS2 to ODS5 a few weeks G > > ago is now running CSWS (current 1.X version, not the 2.0 beta, all I > > patches), but we held off on PHP/Perl/MySQL, etc until we had time to A > > do the ODS5 conversion.  Out of the blue we now have to let a H > > frontpage developer work with the system.  System is OpenVMS V7.3-2,! > > patched up, TCPIP V5.4 eco 2.  > > J > > There are no frontpage extensions in CSWS, so we tried the ftp publishH > > with a dedicated account aimed at the root for that site's directory > > tree.  Problems: > > G > >      Multi-dot filenames fail (and no found way to turn them off in 	 > > msfp) F > >      All files transmitted in binary (HTM files are 512-byte fixed > > length record) > > D > > There doesn't seem to be much in COV about using msfp with CSWS.G > > Outside of expediting the ODS5 conversion (which was schedule for a G > > couple of weekends from now, which may no longer be acceptable), if G > > anyone has useful suggestions or gotchas to post, please do.  Sadly H > > using a different/better page builder is not an option; customer hasC > > spoken.  Also, mass editing the files to change references from J > > multidot to ODS-2 legal names, and finding a way to transfer the filesF > > with appropriate character substitution in the names has also been
 > > nixed. > >  > > Thanks in advance. > >  > > Rich > , > Ever looked at the HTML that MSFP creates? > & > Ugh! Hideous! Massively inefficient! > D > It's almost enough to make one think that Bill Gates was getting a/ > per-tag commission from the W3C or something.  >  > WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 15:38:59 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) Subject: Re: Front page strikes = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0408101438.490decb0@posting.google.com>   E Thanks to all who responded here or by email.  The email had the best D expedient workaround; we're going to set up a container file virtualD disk init'd as ODS-5 to put the website on until we get the downtime@ to convert the whole data disk.  Thanks also to Alan Winston whoE posted a query on another problem back in April that had useful info.   > In addition, it was necessary to set the appropriate DECC$EFS*A logicals in the APACHE$WWW login.com to read the extended/escaped D files created by the ms multi-dot output.  We never could find a wayF to tell frontpage not to use those files; it does so automatically forE buttons to switch pages (actually for the .gif files used as displays D for the buttons).  Hopefully the fp developer will make an effort to/ prevent the names from getting _really_ stupid.   A Still annoying that the fp FTP client puts up all files in binary B mode.  Since we use the FTP server on the alpha for numerous otherC things we cannot use the global setting that makes all binary files F streamlf on disk.  I'm going to look at HGFTP for use by frontpage due? to its greated configurability and security, especially for the F dedicated accounts to be used for the few websites run from this node.   Rich CCS    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:43:19 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul, Message-ID: <z8-dnbo9gbj3roTcRVn-uw@igs.net>   Tom Linden wrote:  > < -----Original Message-----, > < From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]* > < Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:18 AM > < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 8 > < Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul > <  > <  > < Dave Gudewicz wrote: > < > He said: > < >  > < > Thanks > < > H > < > You know that our roadmap delivers lower costs, new functionality,E > < > etc. IBM just markets this a bit better probably by working the  > press < > better.  > < > G > < > I will not be at HP World......the team will be well represented.  > <  > < ; > < So what is HP going to do about Stallard's 'throw-away'  > < statement, "IBM just; > < markets this a bit better probably by working the press  > <  better." ?  > < F > < Seems to me that this is indicative of the malaise which permeatesB > HP with < respect to OpenVMS. WHEN is HP going to market OpenVMS > better to < the press - E > < before or after the internal time representation in OpenVMS rolls  > over?? > B > That likely won't change unless and until HP evolves a differentC > vision.  If you consider the main business sectors printers, VMS,  > HP-UX/Tru65, Tandem and C > Proliant, I may have correctly listed them in order of descending 
 > margin. The G > focus seems to be on the Proliant line where they are squeezed on one 	 > side by F > Microsoft and on the other by Dell and others.  Why would you want a
 > businessC > like that?  This also seems to be the centerpiece of the Adaptive 
 > Enterprise, C > .. just add more blades as the business grows ... , someone at HP C > needs to get serious, this is embarassing.  Now I have it on good E > authority that VMS was the only OS that actually increased its base G > during 2003.  Is that not a clarion call?  In the current environment D > VMS's biggest appeal has to be DR and scalability, which should beE > the marketing phalanx into Corporate and governmental environments. D > Let Dell have the desktop, work with them. Decentralize management. > let VMS run as an independent Profit Center.    = Maybe HP can make more money by selling re-branded Dell PC's.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:34:57 -0700 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>4 Subject: Re: IBM overhauls iSeries for the long haul2 Message-ID: <ZJqdnV4OQMos9ITcRVn-oQ@mpowercom.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:9IadndxEJtmuyYXcRVn-iA@igs.net...) > > AS/400 had some great concept  of not I > > distinguishing from memory/disk etc and was a 64-bit OS from day one.  >  > B > I don't think that OS/400 was 64-bit when it was released on the > unsuspecting public. > I I dimly recall from an electronics trade mag that the underlying hardware F was a proprietary 32 bit CPU, then when IBM phased in modified RS/6000J chipsets the AS/400 became a 64-bit machine.  The microcode on the RS/6000G was altered to run the abstracted AS/400 architecture.  Since IBM hides I hardware details and requires vendors to work with a model the conversion K was relatively painless.  No vendor/customer assembler level source code to 
 recompile.   Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:16:56 +0200 5 From: "GWDVMS::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de>  Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-30 " Message-ID: <6236549@MVB.SAIC.COM>  % sms@ANTINODE.ORG wrote (2 weeks ago): ' >[... Vs3100 model 30 vs. model 38 ...] $ >    The only differences I see are: > H >       o The frequency of the oscillator slightly forward of the middle/ >         of the board: 44.444MHz or 66.667MHz.  > H >       o The position of one jumper near the left-more memory connector: >         at the front of the board (shown for 66.667MHz): >  >             o     o  >          66 |       44 >             o     o  > 1 >                        +--------------------... + >                        | Memory connector  >  > G >   I never spotted a suitable oscillator at The local junk stores back J > when I was interested in these things (pre-Alpsta 200 4/233), so I never3 > tried making the change, but what could go wrong?   : I have to admit to having tried this out, some years ago,  memories a little hazy ...  D After doing the "upgrade" (the new oscillator may have been somewhatF less than 66.667 MHz, I fancied the exact frequency ought not matter),C the machine would get as far as outputting the first few characters E ("KA42") on the (serial) console and then get stuck. Several attempts E would yield some variation in the number of characters, but it never  D got beyond that line ... Soldering the old oscillator back in, made C the machine operational again, apart from the main board no longer   looking as pretty as before.  ? All moot since after I got hold of my first Vs3100 M76, I don't ) operate the "basic" Vs3100s for speed ...   B More to come ... Vs3100 (Vs2000 not yet verified) & TFT displays. B Research not quite complete, anyway I already have working setups C with SPX (very neat due to 1280x1024 being the 17"+ TFT standard),  G GPX (not looking as pretty), B/W (just barely, TFTs somehow don't like  I only one color being driven). Right now typing in front of a DELL 1900FP  F connected to the SPX of one Vs3100 M76, with a DELL 1800?? (no longer H being sold, but particularly well suited for this purpose) on its right,F serving as the 2nd (B/W) "head". Admittedly not exactly economy class C monitors, but they do sync-on-green, as used from "expensive" CRTs. D Cheap TFT monitors (1280x1024 resolution aka. 17" always required!) C can also be made to work - I have them at home - with an auxiliary  > circuit (it's all in the "LM 1881" spec sheet from NATIONAL - 1 ask Google, I did; the chip costs just a few $$).   M Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 201-1516/-1510, moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de M GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |    Disclaimer: No claim intended! M http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ---- <w.moeller@ieee.org>    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:02:33 -0600 0 From: Mark Berryman <mark.berryman@mvb.saic.com>  Subject: MPlayer is a DVD player' Message-ID: <4118d57a$1@cpns1.saic.com>   D Do any of you who downloaded MPlayer for your VMS system have a DVD H drive attached to it?  I'd like to hear how well MPlayer plays DVDs for C you.  (Note that the default name for the DVD device compiled into  I MPlayer is DQA0.  You must explicitly specify the DVD device if yours is  F not DQA0.  The syntax will be: mplayer -dvd-device dkaNNN: dvd:// and $ the device must be mounted foreign).  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:59:44 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>) Subject: Re: Problem with DCPS and HP4300 5 Message-ID: <100820041459458853%paul.anderson@hp.com>   B In article <c4ad0a697ad5f042cde880f9305ca8f9@news.scbiz.com>, Erik Ahlefeldt wrote:  6 > Problem with DCPS 2.3, Laserjet 4300 and input_tray. > F > When I attempt to print to an HP Laserjet 4300 with an input_tray ofG > tray_1, I get an error saying that there is no tray_1 on the printer. E > This happens in both DCPS 2.2 and 2.3 which are supposed to support D > the Laserjet 4300.  I have tried two different 4300s and three VMSE > machines, with the same result. Anybody know what is going on here?   F Is the paper size for tray 1 set to ANY?  If so, set it to the size of8 the paper you're using.  Please reply with your results.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:00:40 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>) Subject: Re: Problem with DCPS and HP4300 5 Message-ID: <100820041500402176%paul.anderson@hp.com>   B In article <f30679fb.0408100401.8380ce3@posting.google.com>, Fabio) Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:   G > Its time to the HP Printer Group develop native drivers / management  > for OpenVMS HP printers !    Please explain.    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:19:49 -0400 2 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov>* Subject: Re: ssh on HP TCP/IP Services 5.44 Message-ID: <al8Sc.904$Ny6.1993@mencken.net.nih.gov>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:DwyrH8+xoFIy@eisner.encompasserve.org... F >    Second of all, support for X11 tunneling via TCP/IP Services' SSHB >    is abysmal.  Wait until it's fixed, or get a better IP stack.  L Works for me.  I'm right now looking at the output of beostatus on my PC viaI ssh tunneling through my Alpha.  This PC is running Excursion, and due to J the rexec command I used to start up a DECterm on the Alpha, I didn't typeD SET DISPLAY even once.  In fact, other than passwords, I didn't typeK anything other than "ssh beowulfnode" in my DECterm window on the Alpha and # "beostatus" on the beowulf cluster.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 20:42:41 -0700 From: lsk55@hotmail.com (Scott) L Subject: Re: TECO manual location, was: Re: [Somewhat OT] What your non-OVMS= Message-ID: <926edf3b.0408101942.77b58927@posting.google.com>   _ David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<4115A07A.8050401@bigpond.com>... G > What you need to do is have some offspring and teach them in the ways 3 > of Teco, to carry on the tradition -- like I did.  > 
 > Regards, > Dave.    $ TECO CHILD- *<FStv$teco$;>Ia love of obscure editors$ex$$ D $ SPAWN CHILD/NOWAIT/OUTPUT=TREASURED_MEMORIES/INPUT=OLD_VAX_STORIES   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2004 13:16:23 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) 5 Subject: Using Fibrechannel on a Personal Workstation - Message-ID: <OOF5$UFW19bM@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>   D  I'm building a 2 node cluster consisting of a DS10L and a PWS600a, D each of them connected to an MA2200 raid array on a switched fabric.< All disks (including the system disk) are on the raid array.  B  This is no problem for the DS10L as its console firmware supportsF booting via fibre channel. The firmware on the PWS600a doesn't though,C in fact the console doesn't even see the FC adapter ( KGPSA ) other 3 than as a series of cryptic codes in "SHOW CONFIG".   @  I've found that if I boot the PWS600a via MOP ( using the DS10LE as the boot server ) VMS will activate the FC card during startup, at @ which point all disk accesses (including the system disk) switch% over to FC and everybody seems happy.   F  I know this configuration won't be "supported", but is there anything4 illegal, immoral or just plain ill-advised about it?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:59:08 -0400 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 9 Subject: Re: Using Fibrechannel on a Personal Workstation 1 Message-ID: <F4GdnYZ6xLEcFoTcRVn-tA@adelphia.com>    Malcolm Dunnett wrote:F >  I'm building a 2 node cluster consisting of a DS10L and a PWS600a, F > each of them connected to an MA2200 raid array on a switched fabric.> > All disks (including the system disk) are on the raid array. > D >  This is no problem for the DS10L as its console firmware supportsH > booting via fibre channel. The firmware on the PWS600a doesn't though,E > in fact the console doesn't even see the FC adapter ( KGPSA ) other 5 > than as a series of cryptic codes in "SHOW CONFIG".  > B >  I've found that if I boot the PWS600a via MOP ( using the DS10LG > as the boot server ) VMS will activate the FC card during startup, at B > which point all disk accesses (including the system disk) switch' > over to FC and everybody seems happy.   H Initially the MSCP path is used, and then when the Fibre Channel direct . paths are found MSCP will switch over to them.  H >  I know this configuration won't be "supported", but is there anything6 > illegal, immoral or just plain ill-advised about it?  I The KGPSA has not been tested with the PWS600a, so it is totally unknown  " if there is any incompatibilities.  D Such problems may only show up under extreme stress, so for a hobby  operation, it may work fine.  G Your other issue, as you are probably aware of is that if the DS10L is  5 shutdown, you will not be able to reboot the PWS600a.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.442 ************************