1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 12 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 444       Contents:6 AlphaServer 4100 confused about how much memory it has: Re: AlphaServer 4100 confused about how much memory it has: Re: AlphaServer 4100 confused about how much memory it has dual head radeon w/vms 7.3-1* Re: Help- sysadmin support recommendations* Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go?0 RE: It's a pity they didn't survey OpenVMS users0 Re: It's a pity they didn't survey OpenVMS users0 Re: It's a pity they didn't survey OpenVMS users0 Re: It's a pity they didn't survey OpenVMS users Re: LAVC/SCA Traffic  Re: Problem with DCPS and HP43000 Re: Using Fibrechannel on a Personal Workstation  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2004 17:10:24 -0700& From: chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG)? Subject: AlphaServer 4100 confused about how much memory it has = Message-ID: <dd3f0cb7.0408111610.1b47b0b1@posting.google.com>   E I have an AlphaServer 4100 running VMS 6.2-1H3 that, until today, had A 512MB of memory made up of four 128MB SYNC memory options (a 4100 E memory option is a pair of boards).  I just upgraded it by taking out @ the memory option in slots MEM 0L/0H and replacing it with a 1GBB memory option.  I left the other three old memory options in placeA (couldn't hurt, I thought).  Here's the console output when I was  done:    P00>>>show memory    Slot    Type       MB     Base" ----    ----      ----    --------  0       EDO      1024    0 "  1      SYNC       128    40000000"  2      SYNC       128    80000000"  3      SYNC       128    c0000000   Total             1408  A So I rebooted.  But VMS thinks it has 3200MB of memory instead of : 1408, as if it had three 1GB options and one 128MB option.   $ show memory/physical=               System Memory Resources on 12-AUG-2004 00:04:45   C Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use     ModifiedF   Main Memory (3200.00Mb)         409600      160406      246667        2527    SDA>clue config  System Configuration:  ---------------------  System Information: D System Type    AlphaServer 4100 5/533 4MB             Primary CPU ID 00D Cycle Time     1.8 nsec (531 MHz)                     Pagesize      	 8192 Byte    Memory Configuration: C Cluster    PFN Start    PFN Count         Range (MByte)       Usage E  #01             0          256         0.0 MB -    2.0 MB    Console D  #02           256       147200         2.0 MB - 1152.0 MB    SystemD  #03        262144        16384      2048.0 MB - 2176.0 MB    SystemD  #04        393216        16381      3072.0 MB - 3199.9 MB    SystemE  #05        409597            3      3199.9 MB - 3200.0 MB    Console   @ You would think VMS would crash when it tried to access all thatF non-existant memory, but the system's been running fine for hours now.  F I found an old post from someone who had this same problem but with noD useful repsonse.  My questions are:  What is going on here? And more% importantly: Should I worry about it?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:43:01 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>C Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 confused about how much memory it has + Message-ID: <411AD935.F1634F36@comcast.net>   	 JG wrote:  > G > I have an AlphaServer 4100 running VMS 6.2-1H3 that, until today, had C > 512MB of memory made up of four 128MB SYNC memory options (a 4100 G > memory option is a pair of boards).  I just upgraded it by taking out B > the memory option in slots MEM 0L/0H and replacing it with a 1GBD > memory option.  I left the other three old memory options in placeC > (couldn't hurt, I thought).  Here's the console output when I was  > done:  >  > P00>>>show memory  >   > Slot    Type       MB     Base$ > ----    ----      ----    -------- >  0       EDO      1024    0 $ >  1      SYNC       128    40000000$ >  2      SYNC       128    80000000$ >  3      SYNC       128    c0000000 >  > Total             1408 > C > So I rebooted.  But VMS thinks it has 3200MB of memory instead of < > 1408, as if it had three 1GB options and one 128MB option. >  > $ show memory/physical? >               System Memory Resources on 12-AUG-2004 00:04:45  > B > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use
 > ModifiedB >   Main Memory (3200.00Mb)         409600      160406      246667 >  2527  >  > SDA>clue config  > System Configuration:  > ---------------------  > System Information: F > System Type    AlphaServer 4100 5/533 4MB             Primary CPU ID > 00@ > Cycle Time     1.8 nsec (531 MHz)                     Pagesize > 8192 Byte  >  > Memory Configuration: E > Cluster    PFN Start    PFN Count         Range (MByte)       Usage G >  #01             0          256         0.0 MB -    2.0 MB    Console F >  #02           256       147200         2.0 MB - 1152.0 MB    SystemF >  #03        262144        16384      2048.0 MB - 2176.0 MB    SystemF >  #04        393216        16381      3072.0 MB - 3199.9 MB    SystemG >  #05        409597            3      3199.9 MB - 3200.0 MB    Console  > B > You would think VMS would crash when it tried to access all thatH > non-existant memory, but the system's been running fine for hours now. > H > I found an old post from someone who had this same problem but with noF > useful repsonse.  My questions are:  What is going on here? And more' > importantly: Should I worry about it?    Yeah, I'd worry...  C Not real sure, but I believe those need to be installed in order of E increasing size. Dunno why that comes to mind, it just does. May have - heard it from a FSE or something, not sure...    Worth a try, I s'pose...   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:37:03 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> C Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 confused about how much memory it has ' Message-ID: <411AE5DF.1000605@MMaz.com>    >>P00>>>show memory  >>  >>Slot    Type       MB     Base$ >>----    ----      ----    -------- >> 0       EDO      1024    0 $ >> 1      SYNC       128    40000000$ >> 2      SYNC       128    80000000$ >> 3      SYNC       128    c0000000 >> >>Total             1408 >>C >>So I rebooted.  But VMS thinks it has 3200MB of memory instead of < >>1408, as if it had three 1GB options and one 128MB option. >> >>$ show memory/physical? >>              System Memory Resources on 12-AUG-2004 00:04:45  >>K >>Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use Modified G >>  Main Memory (3200.00Mb)         409600      160406      246667 2527  >> >>     >>I My guess?  Take the 409600 pages and divide by 2048, which is the number  H of pages per MB, and you'll get 200MB.  So, I'm guessing that VMS is in B fact only running on 200MB of memory, perhaps that is all you are / SYSGEN'd for, and is why you're not crashing...    Barrt    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:40:58 -0400 % From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET> % Subject: dual head radeon w/vms 7.3-1 0 Message-ID: <10hl4clodh7bu2a@news.supernews.com>  1 Anyone running dual radeon in DSxx Alpha systems? # If so,would appreciate any comments > A customer needs to do this and is getting the following error  @ %GHDRIVER-F-NOTMAPPED, Could not map Expansion ROM, status - 124   Thanks for any inputs    David  --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:30:53 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Help- sysadmin support recommendations + Message-ID: <411AD65D.7ED2C4AC@comcast.net>    Michael Fraley wrote:  > I > Can anyone provide leads for sysadmin support? We need a backup for our I > fulltime sysadmin when she's on vacation. We run a 3-node Alpha OpenVMS 3 > cluster. Can you recommend any providers? Thanks!   H The job boards would be one source - Monster, Dice, ComputerJobs, and so on.   H Local technical recruiters should have stacks of resumes from unemployedH VMS SysAdmins. However, the VMS job market has been in tank for so long,0 many of them may be quite stale in their skills.  F If long-distance telecommute would be an option, I have some resources2 locally (Metro Chicago, IL) who may be interested.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:50:02 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>3 Subject: Re: How far back does SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY go? 5 Message-ID: <1040811191129.4244E-100000@Ives.egh.com>   % On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Guy Peleg wrote:    > / > "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message 1 > news:1040811012824.4244B-100000@Ives.egh.com... ) > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Guy Peleg wrote:  > >  > > > John,  > > > D > > > The SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY item code has been added in October 1995.A > > > Out of curiosity, what did not work with the MACRO routine?  > > > @ > > > All that required is to get the content of SCH$GL_FREECNT.A > > > On V8.2 you need to use SCH$GI_FREECNT (due to the 50bit-VA  > > > changes).  > > > 	 > > > Guy  > >  > > Guy, > >  > > Thanks for the info. > > > > > I got an undefined symbol for SCH$GL_FREECNT at link time. > > > Have you tried linking with /SYSEXE? What version of the O/S  > As wasn't clear in my original post, I'm porting some very old* VAX code.  It was ported to Alpha in 1994.  ? It has always linked with /SYSEXE (or included SYS.STB on VAX).   I It has worked since Alpha VMS V1.1 (or whatever, before the V1.5 that was H the first common release of VMS on Alpha, may have been a beta version),H and has worked ever since on Alpha.  SCH$GL_FREECNT resolved just fine. . (On VAX, this goes back to at least Feb 1982.)  < > > Is SCH$GI_FREECNT larger than a longword?  Appendix D of= > > the V5.2 Internals & Data Structures book (latest version > > > I happen to have handy) says datatype "I" is "Reserved for> > > integer extensions" (Later... The V1.5 Alpha I&DS says the; > > same thing, as does the V7.3 "Guide to Creating OpenVMS 5 > > Modular Procedures".) Not sure what this means...  > >  > B > SCH$GI_FREECNT is new and will be available only on V8.2 system.< > On Alpha SCH$GI_FREECNT is 32bits and on I64 it is 64bits. > 1 > If you use __int64 variable, you should be set.  >  > Guy   B Hmm.  No C involved...  Front-end (which calls this routine) is inD BASIC.  Main code is Macro-32.  The code needs to work on VAX, AlphaC and IA64, and on VMS versions at least as old as V7.0, possibly all D the way back to V5.5, but I don't know what customers are using yet.  ; So using SCH$GI_FREECNT is all well and good, but I need to ? conditionalize on Architecure and Version and make the returned < value also conditional on architecture.  (QUAD on IA64, LONG on Alpha and VAX.)  A I do like not having to link /SYSEXE since this means less chance A of having to re-install on a VMS upgrade.  However, if FREE_PAGES F can (eventually) exceed a longword, it would a) break SYI$_MAIN_MEMORYB and b) break my buffer allocation routines.  (I could solve (b) by@ just arbitrarily restricting the buffer size to 2^32-1 pages... B I think all the address calculations internally are 32-bit anyway,> so I probably should limit it to 2^31-1 bytes, about 2GB.  TheA real purpose of this calculation is to get reasonable performance C on an 11/750 with 4MB, so I don't think a 2GB upper limit will hurt 
 anything.)  ? > > If the maximum free memory size (in pages) exceeds 32 bits, ? > > then SYI$_MAIN_MEMORY will break, too, since it only allows ; > > 8 hex digits (a longword) for each field.  Maybe that's # > > why you didn't document it? :-)  > > = > > Anyway, I think 1995 is far enough back to not bother me.  > >  > > 3 > > > "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message 5 > > > news:1040810012654.4244I-100000@Ives.egh.com...  > > > > J > > > > I'm porting some software to IA64.  (Almost all of it was changingI > > > > "If this isn't an Alpha, it must be a VAX" statements to "If this M > > > > isn't a VAX, then it must be either an Alpha or an IA64, don't really M > > > > care which", which took about 3-4 hours.  Would have been faster with  > > > > TECO :-()  > > > > K > > > > The one thing that wouldn't port was a 3 line MACRO subroutine that G > > > > gets the amount of free memory on the system (a sanity check to K > > > > prevent the program from grabbing so much memory that it pagefaults K > > > > to death.)  I replaced it with a little BASIC subroutine that calls I > > > > LIB$GETSYI to get "PAGE_SIZE" and "MAIN_MEMORY", and converts the  > > > > results to pagelets. > > > > I > > > > The MAIN_MEMORY item code isn't documented, except in the release G > > > > notes for the 7.3-1 DCL ECO V2.0, but the ECO notes say it "has = > > > > been available for a long time but never documented."  > > > > ; > > > > I tried it on a VAX V7.1 system and it worked fine.  > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have an older system they can check it on? > > > > 4 > > > >   $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MAIN_MEMORY") > > > > D > > > > should do the trick.  It produces a 32-character hex string,A > > > > with total, free, in use and modified page counts (as per ? > > > > "$ show memory/physical") jammed together as 4 unsigned  > > > > 8-digit hex numbers. > > > >  > > > >  > > > > ----B > > > > One huge advantage of this method is it doesn't need to be7 > > > > linked with sys.stb on VAX or /sysexe on Alpha.  > > > > @ > > > > I couldn't find any VMS release notes old enough to tellB > > > > when SYS$GETSYI/F$GETSYI first appeared.  The Blue, Orange; > > > > and Gray walls have all long since departed...  The A > > > > MAIN_MEMORY item code hasn't been documented anyway, so I A > > > > guess the only way to tell if it is there is to try it or 2 > > > > to look in STARLET.MLB for the definition. > > > > C > > > > I'd rather not support the old macro routine (and the build C > > > > and installation procedures for it) if the new method works G > > > > as far back as VMS V6.1 (VAX VMS 5.5 would be super; I'm fairly D > > > > sure we don't have any customers running anything older thanF > > > > VMS 5.5-2, but I'm not sure about that version or the V6.x's.) > > > >  > > > > TIA  > > > >    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:28:48 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 9 Subject: RE: It's a pity they didn't survey OpenVMS users R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3DF792@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu] On=20 > Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon  > Sent: August 11, 2004 1:17 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ; > Subject: Re: It's a pity they didn't survey OpenVMS users  >=20. > In article <orCdndp1efLO0YfcRVn-vQ@igs.net>,( > 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > >=20A > > Evans Data recently provided more proof that Linux is more=20 
 > secure than A > > Windows. The researchers surveyed 500 Linux developers and=20  > found that 92 B > > percent had never had a machine affected by malicious code.=20 > Fewer than 7H > > percent said they'd been victims of three or more hacker intrusions. > >=20< > > Only 22 percent said their systems had ever been hacked. > >=20
 > > ..more...  > >=20 > > = F http://www.securitypipeline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=3D26805728 > >=20 > >=20 >=20H > That would require knowing about VMS but we all know the current mottoF > of HP's VMS Marketing Div. is "I could tell you about VMS but then I > would have to kill you." >=20 > bill    E I wonder how many of those surveyed (or even the researchers that did @ study) are Red Hat Linux fans who did not even know that Red HatC released 11 security patches in April of this year alone. Note that . these were *security* patches - not bug fixes.  
 Reference:6 https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh9-errata-security.html  
 Ah well ..   :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:59:57 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 9 Subject: Re: It's a pity they didn't survey OpenVMS users , Message-ID: <496dneKf4KtzOYfcRVn-tw@igs.net>   Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu] On >> Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon  >> Sent: August 11, 2004 1:17 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >> Subject: Re: It's a pity they didn't survey OpenVMS users >>/ >> In article <orCdndp1efLO0YfcRVn-vQ@igs.net>, ( >> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >>> > >>> Evans Data recently provided more proof that Linux is more >> secure than> >>> Windows. The researchers surveyed 500 Linux developers and >> found that 92? >>> percent had never had a machine affected by malicious code.  >> Fewer than 7 H >>> percent said they'd been victims of three or more hacker intrusions. >>> < >>> Only 22 percent said their systems had ever been hacked. >>> 
 >>> ..more...  >>> H >>> http://www.securitypipeline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=26805728 >>>  >>>  >>C >> That would require knowing about VMS but we all know the current F >> motto of HP's VMS Marketing Div. is "I could tell you about VMS but" >> then I would have to kill you." >> >> bill  >  > G > I wonder how many of those surveyed (or even the researchers that did B > study) are Red Hat Linux fans who did not even know that Red HatE > released 11 security patches in April of this year alone. Note that 0 > these were *security* patches - not bug fixes. >  > Reference:8 > https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh9-errata-security.html >  > Ah well ..    K Ah well indeed. So when are you going to write the author of the article to ? point this out? I did my correspondence with him earlier today.   D The press must be educated, sometimes gently, sometimes with copiousK quantities of alcohol or golf games, and sometimes with a 2-by-4 out behind 
 the woodshed.    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2004 23:43:34 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com 9 Subject: Re: It's a pity they didn't survey OpenVMS users , Message-ID: <cfeav6023bl@enews4.newsguy.com>  & Main, Kerry <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote:G > I wonder how many of those surveyed (or even the researchers that did B > study) are Red Hat Linux fans who did not even know that Red HatE > released 11 security patches in April of this year alone. Note that 0 > these were *security* patches - not bug fixes.  : You mean someone releases security patches for Linux?  :^)   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:29:55 -0400 3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> 9 Subject: Re: It's a pity they didn't survey OpenVMS users 0 Message-ID: <5pGdnUD-3r67S4fcRVn-iw@comcast.com>   Main, Kerry wrote:  G > I wonder how many of those surveyed (or even the researchers that did B > study) are Red Hat Linux fans who did not even know that Red HatE > released 11 security patches in April of this year alone. Note that 0 > these were *security* patches - not bug fixes. >    read the article again.   / these are developers, not the average end-user.   4 also, the comparison is sort of specious in general.  E any Linux distro effectively supports far more software than, say, a  * base installation of Windows or OVMS does.  I for instance, neither Windows nor OVMS in their base install come with a  @ Office-style program like OpenOffice - MS does not count Office 0 vulnerabilities with Windows ones, for instance.  H Windows does not support software versioning software in a base install F like CVS or Subversion, that requires buying an additional product... ( not sure if OVMS does by default or not.  C note that in Redhat, you have the choice of installing things like  B Mozilla or OpenOffice and you have several different installation ( default levels, further muddying things.  H so, any comparison between the different OS'es is dependent on defining : what a "base OS" is... which is fraught with subjectivity.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:44:04 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> Subject: Re: LAVC/SCA Traffic 4 Message-ID: <411aa12f$0$204$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message 7 news:f30679fb.0408110504.2dbe9aa5@posting.google.com... 7 > "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message ' news:<cfavcj$r1i@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>... : > > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:4118FE3E.9040802@MMaz.com... F > > > Anyone have a doc, or reference point, for the packet layout forG > > > LAVC/SCA traffic?  I have some captured packets and would like to  decode
 > > > them...  > > F > > There is some data in one of the appendices to the cluster manual. > I > This list talks a lot about Cluster Traffic ! Isnt time to the OpenVMS A > engineering group ask for development of a tool to measure it ? 1 > May be the HP OpenView eng. group can help it !  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC   Fabio,  J You seem to frequently post, moaning about OpenVMS Engineering for lack of) features and/or new releases or whatever.   L Then people including myself then frequently inform you otherwise. I'm happyD to say when hp are doing badly, google for my posts and that will beK obvious, but how about you get your information correct or ask the question L before FUDing them. In the area you specified in your post above Engineering  have done a lot of work of late.   >Isnt time to the OpenVMSA > engineering group ask for development of a tool to measure it ?   
 $ sh clu/cont   ...then add the classes you need   or since at least 7.3   	 $mc scacp   I SCACP is great and has been improved upon in 7.3-1 and 7.3-2, you can get H all the SCS stats you want from there and set up priorities on different cards, virtual circuits etc.   Alex   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2004 22:26:03 -0700- From: erik_g@abri.une.edu.au (Erik Ahlefeldt) ) Subject: Re: Problem with DCPS and HP4300 = Message-ID: <9e0106bb.0408112126.4eac6123@posting.google.com>   g Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> wrote in message news:<100820041459458853%paul.anderson@hp.com>... D > In article <c4ad0a697ad5f042cde880f9305ca8f9@news.scbiz.com>, Erik > Ahlefeldt wrote: > 8 > > Problem with DCPS 2.3, Laserjet 4300 and input_tray. > > H > > When I attempt to print to an HP Laserjet 4300 with an input_tray ofI > > tray_1, I get an error saying that there is no tray_1 on the printer.   H > Is the paper size for tray 1 set to ANY?  If so, set it to the size of: > the paper you're using.  Please reply with your results. >  > Paul  E Paper size for tray 1 was set to ANY. Changed it to A4, and the print G statement worked. Thanks, Paul. But I am intrigued as to this should be F thought a desirable way for DCPS to deal with the manual feed tray ...? it kind of negates the point of the ANY setting on the printer.  Erik Ahlefeldt.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2004 18:45:56 -0700+ From: mingtwu@so-net.net.tw (Ming Tsung Wu) 9 Subject: Re: Using Fibrechannel on a Personal Workstation = Message-ID: <376f60d3.0408111745.1da9bb59@posting.google.com>   t johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com (John Reinhardt) wrote in message news:<5d708ac7.0408110901.66492bab@posting.google.com>...h > "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message news:<F4GdnYZ6xLEcFoTcRVn-tA@adelphia.com>... > > Malcolm Dunnett wrote:J > > >  I'm building a 2 node cluster consisting of a DS10L and a PWS600a, J > > > each of them connected to an MA2200 raid array on a switched fabric.B > > > All disks (including the system disk) are on the raid array. > > > H > > >  This is no problem for the DS10L as its console firmware supportsL > > > booting via fibre channel. The firmware on the PWS600a doesn't though,I > > > in fact the console doesn't even see the FC adapter ( KGPSA ) other 9 > > > than as a series of cryptic codes in "SHOW CONFIG".  > > >  > F > You got further than I did then. I have a PWS500au that once I put aG > KGPSA-BC (LP7000E) into promptly refused to boot and in fact the BIOS F > printed out a message telling me to remove the unsupported card from > the PCI bus., ============================================O KGPSA-BC is 32 Bits PCI card. It can't add-on at lower two PCI slots. The lower  two slots support 64 Bits only. . You should install KGPSA at upper three slots./ ===============================================  >  > > M > > The KGPSA has not been tested with the PWS600a, so it is totally unknown  & > > if there is any incompatibilities. > >  > F > I had also been told this by a HP (DEC/Compaq) employee "friend of aE > friend" but I had to try it out anyway. Unfortunately for me he was & > correct - at least for the PWS500au. > H > > Such problems may only show up under extreme stress, so for a hobby   > > operation, it may work fine. > >  >   	 > > -John  > > wb8tyw@qsl.network > > Personal Opinion Only  >  > John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.444 ************************