1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 15 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 450       Contents: Re: Exending console timeout? ) Re: How to configure console screensaver?  If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP.... + Re: TCP Server  SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM on restart  VMS losing ground in telecom  Re: VMS losing ground in telecom  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 04:54:43 GMT 3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> & Subject: Re: Exending console timeout?< Message-ID: <n0CTc.4540$Xh7.4107@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   Tom Adams wrote:M > Z <z@no.spam> wrote in message news:<10hoaopju6p5666@corp.supernews.com>...  >  >>Tom Adams wrote: >>G >>>Is there any way to increase the console timeout so that the console H >>>will not go blank if there is no keyboard or mouse activity for a few >>>minutes?  >>0 >>There's a screen saver setting on the Desktop. >>? >>IIRC, click on the icon with the mouse (lower right hand side , >>of CDE) and find the screen icon in there. >  > G > We are not using the CDE.  Our workstations are configured to use the ! > older style graphics interface.      Ok,   B    In the session manager window go to the Options menu and chooseB "Screen Background...".  In the upper left of the window that popsE up is the screen saver settings.  The slide bar adjusts how long you  B want it to be until the screen blanks.  The default is 10 minutes.% It's adjustable from 1 to 60 minutes.    -- Vance Haemmerle    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:34:09 GMT 3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> 2 Subject: Re: How to configure console screensaver?< Message-ID: <l4zTc.3702$QJ3.2190@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>   Tom Adams wrote:E > How can you extend the time till the console screen goes blank when ) > there is no mouse or keyboard activity.  > G > This is VMS 7.2.1 on DS10s and AlphaStation 400s used as workstations  > with a graphics console.  H    In the bar at the bottom of your screen click the Style Manager icon,B the icon with the mouse/window corner/palette/TTT.  When the Style> Manager window appears, click the Screen icon.  Adjust the topD scroll bar labeled "Start blanking" from what is probably 10 minutes* to whatever you want... up to 120 minutes.   -- Vance Haemmerle    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:00:47 -0400 3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> $ Subject: If OVMS is killed by HP....0 Message-ID: <GsmdnRBmBL0sOoPcRVn-ug@comcast.com>  - who might buy the source and hire the coders?   C are there any other organizations that would be interested in OVMS?   H could a community effort make the requisite bank to buy and open-source H OVMS and/or maybe create a community-oriented OVMS to buy OVMS and sell 5 it a la the Cray employees buying back Cray from SGI?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:42:11 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <WJOdnX4oCr4fUIPcRVn-rg@igs.net>   Undisclosed wrote:/ > who might buy the source and hire the coders?  > E > are there any other organizations that would be interested in OVMS?  > = > could a community effort make the requisite bank to buy and G > open-source OVMS and/or maybe create a community-oriented OVMS to buy E > OVMS and sell it a la the Cray employees buying back Cray from SGI?     F Never going to happen. The current execuutive suite in Palo Alto wouldJ rather stuff the source code in a rocket headed on a trajectory to the sunJ (no pun intended) so it could be incinerated and have all their collectiveH guilt consumed in flames before they'd ever consider releasing it to the open-source community.  H I don't know what the folks in OVMS Engineering might have to say on theB subject, but my guess is that they might be of the opinion that toJ open-source VMS and have it retain the quality and logical cohesiveness itK currenly has may be difficult to continue in an open-source world. They, of J course, may have a different opinion, but I also don't expect to hear fromE them here as commenting by HP employees on such matters may well be a  career-limiting move.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:25:51 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....+ Message-ID: <411EE5CE.8130C6A1@comcast.net>    Undisclosed wrote: > / > who might buy the source and hire the coders?  > E > are there any other organizations that would be interested in OVMS?  > I > could a community effort make the requisite bank to buy and open-source I > OVMS and/or maybe create a community-oriented OVMS to buy OVMS and sell 7 > it a la the Cray employees buying back Cray from SGI?   F There's too much licensed code in OVMS for it to ever be open-sourced.  H Personally, my take on it is that with the Enterprise group in the soup,A it becomes a ripe target for buyout, spinoff or whatever. Perhaps D something hp may have considered at the get-go, but only as a way to9 jetison flotsam, not as a strategic end in and of itself.    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:32:23 -0400 3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> ( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....0 Message-ID: <RZGdnZyXIanEeoPcRVn-jw@comcast.com>   John Smith wrote:    > Undisclosed wrote: > / >>who might buy the source and hire the coders?  >>E >>are there any other organizations that would be interested in OVMS?  >>= >>could a community effort make the requisite bank to buy and G >>open-source OVMS and/or maybe create a community-oriented OVMS to buy E >>OVMS and sell it a la the Cray employees buying back Cray from SGI?  >  >  > H > Never going to happen. The current execuutive suite in Palo Alto wouldL > rather stuff the source code in a rocket headed on a trajectory to the sunL > (no pun intended) so it could be incinerated and have all their collectiveJ > guilt consumed in flames before they'd ever consider releasing it to the > open-source community.   that sucks.   J > I don't know what the folks in OVMS Engineering might have to say on theD > subject, but my guess is that they might be of the opinion that toL > open-source VMS and have it retain the quality and logical cohesiveness itE > currenly has may be difficult to continue in an open-source world.    E that's totally dependent on your development method and organization.   G if you use a more anarchic model like Linux, I can see where you would  , have issues you would have to solve somehow.  C OVMS would be in a very similar situation to the BSD 4.4-Lite code  , released after Berkeley's battles with AT&T.  F the BSD's use a more centralized development model, and they're quite H stable and logically cohesive - in fact, one of their selling points is A that they're more of a coherent, well designed system than Linux.   C FreeBSD systems regularly have 5 years or more of uptime, although  C that's not advised.. that's not OVMS quality, but it's a damn site  G better than most commerical UNIX systems or Linux systems. And it's on  I fairly cheap x86 hardware that's not always made for reliability as well.   F a community-oriented/friendly company operating on a more centralized " line could probably do quite well.  H of course, you probably wouldn't want to pick the BSD license... GPL or I similar makes more business sense, since you get stuff back as well when   someone mods the program.   E and of course, KEEP the trademark OpenVMS so you can distinguish the  1 finished product you sell from other's use of it.   
 > They, ofL > course, may have a different opinion, but I also don't expect to hear fromG > them here as commenting by HP employees on such matters may well be a  > career-limiting move.   I another thing that sucks about proprietary software... you can never get  D the truth out of the designers and maintainers about things because E they're afraid of offending someone in the corp if they say anything  	 negative.   H that's a universal problem, but it gets magnified to ridiculous degrees + with prop. software companies and branches.   ' secret squirrel mentality or something.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:35:20 -0400 3 From: Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> ( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....0 Message-ID: <RZGdnZ-XIamUdYPcRVn-jw@comcast.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:    > Undisclosed wrote: > / >>who might buy the source and hire the coders?  >>E >>are there any other organizations that would be interested in OVMS?  >>I >>could a community effort make the requisite bank to buy and open-source I >>OVMS and/or maybe create a community-oriented OVMS to buy OVMS and sell 7 >>it a la the Cray employees buying back Cray from SGI?  >  > H > There's too much licensed code in OVMS for it to ever be open-sourced.   licensed from who?  G could the licensed code be excised and a big push rewrite a la the BSD   effort solve the problem?    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2004 19:14:04 -07001 From: dugaldpeacock@yahoo.com.au (Dugald Peacock) 4 Subject: Re: TCP Server  SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM on restart= Message-ID: <df7a3cf2.0408141814.7d14d0e0@posting.google.com>   	 Hi Group,   ' I run my server at the DCL prompt with    % $run tcplistener /debug  (Then go go)   5 I stop the server with control-Y and then enter stop.    I have also tried with     $run tcplistener /nodebug   ( and I still experience the same problem.   Thanks   Dugald   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:09:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: VMS losing ground in telecom , Message-ID: <411E8DA9.48B5BE81@teksavvy.com>  
 From cnet: ## HP partners with 3G gear makerI Hewlett-Packard is set to announce that a major cell phone infrastructure J provider plans to use HP's telecom software in third-generation cell phoneM network gear. An HP representative would not disclose the name of the company N that recently awarded HP the multiple-year supply contract. The representativeN also declined to reveal financial details of the deal, except to say it was inL the "multiple millions." The network equipment maker will be adding OpenCallL and HP's Linux-based telephone equipment software, among other applications, into the equipment.   L The Linux version of HP's popular OpenCall product isn't yet finished, but aJ software development kit, along with new telecommunications-specific IntelJ servers, will allow customers to start testing their software, said Martin. Fink, general manager of HP's Linux division.  August 13, 2004  ##  G It is a shame that HP isn't pushing its own VMS product into Telecom, a C product that had made major inroads in the past in the mobile phone  infrastructure market.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:52:16 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ) Subject: Re: VMS losing ground in telecom , Message-ID: <EMednVN4-e89CoPcRVn-jw@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > From cnet: > ##  > HP partners with 3G gear maker< > Hewlett-Packard is set to announce that a major cell phone? > infrastructure provider plans to use HP's telecom software in F > third-generation cell phone network gear. An HP representative wouldC > not disclose the name of the company that recently awarded HP the D > multiple-year supply contract. The representative also declined toC > reveal financial details of the deal, except to say it was in the A > "multiple millions." The network equipment maker will be adding C > OpenCall and HP's Linux-based telephone equipment software, among ) > other applications, into the equipment.  > > > The Linux version of HP's popular OpenCall product isn't yet: > finished, but a software development kit, along with newD > telecommunications-specific Intel servers, will allow customers toD > start testing their software, said Martin Fink, general manager of > HP's Linux division. > August 13, 2004  > ## > G > It is a shame that HP isn't pushing its own VMS product into Telecom, G > a product that had made major inroads in the past in the mobile phone  > infrastructure market.     Elementary my dear Watson....   & carly's(tm) Seven Step Plan To Fortune( ----------------------------------------  I 1) HP sells Window and Linux, two operating systems for which HP has zero / (0) development or advertising/marketing costs.   J 2) Every sale of a Windows or Linux app at the expense of VMS means HP can/ move one step closer to announcing EOL for VMS.   J 3) HP is also seemingly moving towards applying the lessons of 2) above to4 HP-UX, thereby achieving the goal of step 1) sooner.  K 4) When VMS and HP-UX are EOL'd, the source is not sold ..... it's taken to C Black Rock Desert for the annual Burning Man Festival and carly(tm) L personally torches all copies of the source. HP employees who have worked onL Tru64/HP-UX and VMS are given amnesia pills so as not to provide competition to Windows and Linux.   % 5) HP becomes just a seller of boxes.   C 6) HP buys systems from Dell and private labels them shortly before F realizing that they can't compete. The 'industry standard' division is closed.   F 7) HP becomes just a seller of printer and consumables -- exactly whatF Walter Hewlett said they should do in 2001. carly(tm) tries to collect4 millions in bonuses...if she's still around by then.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.450 ************************                                                                                            UIЮq냠>'> yh_Y'a`)F'DiJԟD_@o[٨a[6I~7r
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