1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 17 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 454       Contents: Alpha Commitment Tour  Re: Alpha Commitment Tour  RE: Alpha Commitment Tour : Re: AlphaServer 4100 confused about how much memory it has: Re: AlphaServer 4100 confused about how much memory it has Re: Files-11 Structure RE: Files-11 Structure Re: Files-11 Structure Re: Files-11 Structure Re: Files-11 Structure Re: Files-11 Structure0 Re: How to block many IP#s with Bad-Client list?0 Re: How to block many IP#s with Bad-Client list?+ Re: HP servers management shakeup happening + Re: HP servers management shakeup happening + Re: HP servers management shakeup happening + Re: HP servers management shakeup happening + Re: HP servers management shakeup happening  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP.... 0 Re: NONSHRADR and NONRES messages at end of boot# output of simultaneous subprocesses  Re: Print to File? Re: Re, Re : set prompt  Re: set prompt Re: set prompt! Re: ssh on HP TCP/IP Services 5.4 * Re: [Hobbyist] Please fix Webserverproblem1 Re: [OT]: Sun on Track with Solaris-on-Power Plan 1 Re: [OT]: Sun on Track with Solaris-on-Power Plan   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:56:03 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>  Subject: Alpha Commitment Tour3 Message-ID: <41213B83.51E6FFDF@applied-synergy.com>   B I just received an email from HP advertising the "Alpha Commitment Tour".   The first bullet point is:  9  Discover the exciting future of HP AlphaServer systems    
 !?!?!?!?!?  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:53:38 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha Commitment Tour, Message-ID: <nc2dnfAJXfqZ1LzcRVn-hg@igs.net>   Chris Scheers wrote:D > I just received an email from HP advertising the "Alpha Commitment > Tour". >  > The first bullet point is: > : > . Discover the exciting future of HP AlphaServer systems >  > !?!?!?!?!?    L Wot? Are they going to take people down the sewer system to some moldy crypt6 to see the last Alpha CPU entombed in its sarcophagus?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:31:30 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> " Subject: RE: Alpha Commitment Tour9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKELEDKAA.tom@kednos.com>   K I think they were referring to the key chain :-) which I was recently given K that has the EV7 embedded in clear lucite, 152 10^6 transistors, the pic is  atC http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT022001001645&p=2    < -----Original Message-----* < From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]' < Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:54 PM  < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ < Subject: Re: Alpha Commitment Tour <  <  < Chris Scheers wrote:F < > I just received an email from HP advertising the "Alpha Commitment
 < > Tour". < >  < > The first bullet point is: < > < < > . Discover the exciting future of HP AlphaServer systems < >  < > !?!?!?!?!? <  < B < Wot? Are they going to take people down the sewer system to some
 < moldy crypt 8 < to see the last Alpha CPU entombed in its sarcophagus? <  <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A < Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004  <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2004 14:48:11 -07000 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)C Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 confused about how much memory it has = Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0408161348.3b0d35f6@posting.google.com>   k chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) wrote in message news:<dd3f0cb7.0408120937.69120336@posting.google.com>... \ > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<411AE5DF.1000605@MMaz.com>...  F I seem to remember that in the old days (but I don't remember how manyC versions back it was), it was necessary to tell the system how many C physical pages were in the system when a memory upgrade was carried D out.     This was done by setting the SYSGEN parameter PHYSICALPAGES (not dynamic, sorry)  ; It might be that Autogen will do the same thing (not sure).    Dave.  > = > No, VAX pages are 512 bytes so 2048 per MB on a VAX.  On an  > AlphaServer 4100: * > $ write sys$output f$getsyi("PAGE_SIZE") > 8192 > G > So that's 128 pages per MB and 409600/128 = 3200MB as the SHOW MEMORY G > correctly calculates. Note that is shows 246667 pages in use which is G > 1927MB, already more than the 1408MB that is really there.  So why is = > it working, and what will happen if/when I do run a SYSGEN?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:13:16 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> C Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 confused about how much memory it has , Message-ID: <4121316D.2C0C6BCF@teksavvy.com>   Dave Baxter wrote:H > I seem to remember that in the old days (but I don't remember how manyE > versions back it was), it was necessary to tell the system how many E > physical pages were in the system when a memory upgrade was carried F > out.     This was done by setting the SYSGEN parameter PHYSICALPAGES > (not dynamic, sorry)  M On VAXes, physical pages was a "debugging" parameter that allowed you to test L your system with less memory than you actually have. That is the way the docM says it is. However, I am not sure if by defult it shoudl be set to 0 or what - value to indicate "use all available memory".   1 On Alpha, I have no idea how it is actually used.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2004 10:52:50 -0700) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com>  Subject: Re: Files-11 Structure / Message-ID: <cfqs9i$umq@odah37.prod.google.com>    Stewart L. Domeier wrote: C > How can I tell if a disk volume is a "Files-11 Structure Level 2" E > volume?  I've tried SHOW DEVICE/FULL and ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE but D > neither mentioned it. I think that's what I have, but I don't know why @ > I think that. A lot of OpenVMS documentation says that certainC > commands or qualifiers (example: BACKUP/RECORD...) only work with E > "Files-11 Structure Level 2" volumes for example. So I'm wanting to  > try to confirm what I have.   E Files-11 Structure Level 2 is ODS-2 in the SHOW DEVICE/FULL. Most (if D not all) volumes initialized on a VMS system prior to v7.3-1 will beF ODS-2 volumes. Starting with v7.3-1 (or was it 7.3?) a volume could beG initialized (or changed to) ODS-5 to handle the extended file names and  UNIX like constructs.    Ken Robinson   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:57:16 -0400 $ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com> Subject: RE: Files-11 Structure J Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE8605AED1A5@lespaul.process.com>   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Stewart L. Domeier [mailto:sld@u.washington.edu]' > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:36 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Files-11 Structure  >  > C > How can I tell if a disk volume is a "Files-11 Structure Level 2" E > volume?  I've tried SHOW DEVICE/FULL and ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE but H > neither mentioned it. I think that's what I have, but I don't know why@ > I think that. A lot of OpenVMS documentation says that certainC > commands or qualifiers (example: BACKUP/RECORD...) only work with E > "Files-11 Structure Level 2" volumes for example. So I'm wanting to  > try to confirm what I have.  > [...]   : $ SHOW DEVICE/FULL should indeed show that characteristic.8 In the "volume status" section at the bottom, you shouldB see "ODS-2", which indicates "Files-11 On-Disk Structure level 2."   -Mike Duffy    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2004 13:42:46 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Files-11 Structure 3 Message-ID: <xSZhu3vwFNGa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <Pine.A41.4.58.0408161024270.62822@homer08.u.washington.edu>, "Stewart L. Domeier" <sld@u.washington.edu> writes:C > How can I tell if a disk volume is a "Files-11 Structure Level 2" E > volume?  I've tried SHOW DEVICE/FULL and ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE but H > neither mentioned it. I think that's what I have, but I don't know why@ > I think that. A lot of OpenVMS documentation says that certainC > commands or qualifiers (example: BACKUP/RECORD...) only work with E > "Files-11 Structure Level 2" volumes for example. So I'm wanting to  > try to confirm what I have.  $ show dev sys$disk /fu   K Disk DSA1420:, device type MSCP served SCSI disk, is online, mounted, file- O     oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.  [...]   H   Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, do not unload on                   ^^^^^ +       dismount, write-back caching enabled.   , ODS-2 = Files-11, On Disk Structure level 2.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:37:26 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: Files-11 Structure 2 Message-ID: <W18Uc.8121$J81.1232@news.cpqcorp.net>  | In article <Pine.A41.4.58.0408161024270.62822@homer08.u.washington.edu>, "Stewart L. Domeier" <sld@u.washington.edu> writes:B :How can I tell if a disk volume is a "Files-11 Structure Level 2"D :volume?  I've tried SHOW DEVICE/FULL and ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE butG :neither mentioned it. I think that's what I have, but I don't know why ? :I think that. A lot of OpenVMS documentation says that certain B :commands or qualifiers (example: BACKUP/RECORD...) only work withD :"Files-11 Structure Level 2" volumes for example. So I'm wanting to :try to confirm what I have. : A :I'm running V7.1-2 of OpenVMS on an AlphaStation 400 by the way.   9   You do not and cannot have ODS-5 in this configuration.   B   ODS-5 is first available in OpenVMS Alpha V7.2; in a more recent   OpenVMS release.    B   Apparently, you are looking at documentation for other (and more   recent) OpenVMS releases.   A   You will want to upgrade to a more current and preferably to a  A   supported OpenVMS Alpha release, as there have been a number of A   improvements and enhancements since V7.1-2 was shipped.  If you @   need or want ODS-5 features and capabilities, you will have to
   upgrade.  C   More current and supported releases largely remove system utility D   restrictions around ODS-5, and ODS-5 can be used as a system disk.B   There are still restrictions around what OpenVMS VAX can do with   an ODS-5 disk, however.   C   Others have pointed at the DCL command SHOW DEVICE/FULL, here is  ?   what the key parts of the display output look like on V7.3-2:     $ show device/full sys$sysdevice Disk..., device type...    Volume Status:  ODS-5,...   D   And for a likely next question, here is how a DCL program -- or anB   application using sys$getdvi[w] -- can look at this information:  ' $ x=f$getdvi("SYS$SYSDEVICE","ACPTYPE")  $ show symbol x 
   X = "F11V5"   2   To convert from ODS-2 to ODS-5, use the command:  $ $ SET VOLUME/STRUCTURE_LEVEL=5 ddcu:  1   The command takes a couple of seconds, at most.   0   BACKUP can back-convert during a disk restore.  =   See the Guide To Extended File Specifications documentation >   within the V7.2 to V7.3 OpenVMS Alpha manual sets inclusive,=   for details, and see the Guide to OpenVMS File Applications ?   and other manuals in V7.3-1 and more recent OpenVMS releases. <   Documentation for various recent releases is available at:    http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:49:43 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: Files-11 Structure 1 Message-ID: <04081615494396@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    I think you missed something:      $ SHOW DEVICE /FULL $1$DGA1:  L Disk $1$DGA1: (APOLLO), device type HSG80, is online, mounted, file-orientedK     device, shareable, available to cluster, device has multiple I/O paths,      error logging is enabled.    ..  J   Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, write-back caching       enabled. ..        C > How can I tell if a disk volume is a "Files-11 Structure Level 2" E > volume?  I've tried SHOW DEVICE/FULL and ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE but H > neither mentioned it. I think that's what I have, but I don't know why@ > I think that. A lot of OpenVMS documentation says that certainC > commands or qualifiers (example: BACKUP/RECORD...) only work with E > "Files-11 Structure Level 2" volumes for example. So I'm wanting to  > try to confirm what I have.  > B > I'm running V7.1-2 of OpenVMS on an AlphaStation 400 by the way. > 	 > Thanks!  > - Stew >  > Stewart L. Domeier > UW Medicine - IT Services  > School of Medicine > SLD@U.Washington.Edu       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:54:34 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: Files-11 Structure 1 Message-ID: <04081615543462@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   % Think I missed something... V7.1-2...   
 INITIALIZE     /STRUCTURE           /STRUCTURE=level  E      Specifies whether the volume should be formatted in Files-11 On- D      Disk Structure Level 1 or 2 (the default). Structure Level 1 isD      incompatible with the /DATA_CHECK and /CLUSTER_SIZE qualifiers.@      The default protection for a Structure Level 1 disk is fullD      access to system, owner, and group, and read (R)  access to all      other users.   F      Note that Alpha does not support Files-11 On-Disk Structure Level8      1 disks. Specifying 1 on Alpha results in an error.    D So in your case you are always an ODS-2 - nothing else is supported.        C > How can I tell if a disk volume is a "Files-11 Structure Level 2" E > volume?  I've tried SHOW DEVICE/FULL and ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE but H > neither mentioned it. I think that's what I have, but I don't know why@ > I think that. A lot of OpenVMS documentation says that certainC > commands or qualifiers (example: BACKUP/RECORD...) only work with E > "Files-11 Structure Level 2" volumes for example. So I'm wanting to  > try to confirm what I have.  > B > I'm running V7.1-2 of OpenVMS on an AlphaStation 400 by the way. > 	 > Thanks!  > - Stew >  > Stewart L. Domeier > UW Medicine - IT Services  > School of Medicine > SLD@U.Washington.Edu     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:15:23 -0400 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> 9 Subject: Re: How to block many IP#s with Bad-Client list? + Message-ID: <4120F9BB.DE7802A6@adldata.com>    Lawrence Bleau wrote:  > C > Hello, I have a question about an anti-spam feature of TCPIP: the L > Bad-Client list.  Here's my version: TCPIP V5.4 - ECO 1 on OpenVMS V7.3-2. > I > We are blocking a lot of sites because we're getting so much spam.  The I > Bad-Client list is quite long.  Btw, I noticed that it has to be all on K > one line, else subsequent lines are ignored.  Maybe this can get fixed in 
 > the future.  > L > Anyway, the problem is that, once the Bad-Client line gets over 512 chars,K > it ignores that line altogether, and treats it like we don't have any bad  > clients declared.  > 3 > Does anyone know of a fix or workaround for this?  >  > Lawrence Bleau > University of Maryland$ > Physics Dept., Space Physics Group > 301-405-6223 > bleau@umtof.umd.edu   ! We have V5.1 - ECO 5 on vms 7.2-1 L The bad clients list is allowing us to continue on subsequent line like this  W BAD-Clients: 12.102.44.0/24, 61.13.0.0/16, 61.30.0.0/16, 61.95.0.0/16, 61.228.50.0/24,  G         66.28.60.0/24, 66.59.80.0/24, 69.24.230.0/24, 141.154.227.0/24,  	... 	...V Although i haven't tried it, another post in c.o.v. said that even though an entry is V limited to 512 chars, you can have more than one occurence of the entry to get around  the limitation.    sol    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:41:56 +0000 (UTC) * From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau)9 Subject: Re: How to block many IP#s with Bad-Client list? 0 Message-ID: <cfr66k$lbv$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  Q In article <4120F9BB.DE7802A6@adldata.com>, sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes: " >We have V5.1 - ECO 5 on vms 7.2-1M >The bad clients list is allowing us to continue on subsequent line like this  > X >BAD-Clients: 12.102.44.0/24, 61.13.0.0/16, 61.30.0.0/16, 61.95.0.0/16, 61.228.50.0/24, H >        66.28.60.0/24, 66.59.80.0/24, 69.24.230.0/24, 141.154.227.0/24, >	...  >	...   E I used to have continued lines, but discovered that they didn't work: I entries on subsequent lines were ignored.  At least on the system here it I didn't work, and we have a later version than you (TCP/IP V5.4 - ECO 1 on  VMS V7.3-2).  W >Although i haven't tried it, another post in c.o.v. said that even though an entry is  W >limited to 512 chars, you can have more than one occurence of the entry to get around   >the limitation.  J Since I posted the original problem, I discovered this myself, just actingE on a hunch.  So, that solves my immediate problem.  I just changed my K config file to have 5 lines of Bad-Clients rules.  It's much more readable,  too.  I I know there must be some internal limit on the # of Bad-Clients entries, , though; does anyone know what that would be?   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2004 18:34:58 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: HP servers management shakeup happening* Message-ID: <2ocd2iF970a3U1@uni-berlin.de>  , In article <4120DC6D.4B3AE937@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Andrew Harrison wrote:F >> Can anyone remember what Walter Hewlett thought HP should do ratherH >> than buying Compag and can anyone remember what the apparent benefits@ >> as touted by the HP board would be if the merger went ahead ? > K > I fairness to Mr Hewlett, there is a big danger in focusing solely on the N > printer business. This business is artificially profitable and I am not sure+ > it is a viable business in the long term.  >  > One word: environmental laws.  > K > If the european government includes ink cartridges in the "must be easily F > recyclable" laws,  then customers will just spend $5 to refill theirV > cartridges instead of paying $35. And that would be a hell of a hit to HP's profits.  B If I remember correctly, the inclusion of a return mailer with theF cartridge gets them around that problem as far as the EU is concerned.L Plus, the ink for HP cartridges has to meet certain composition requirementsD and when the composition and manufacturing process are all protectedA by patents and trade secrets you would end out having ot buy your ? ink fromthem in order to refill your own.  And they still win.     > N > HP, EPSON, Canon might try to continue to use the proprietary non-refillableN > cartidges in the USA market, but how long would the USA market tolerate that > extreme markup over ink ?   C No one seems to care now and it has already reached the point where C a new printer  with cartridges is cheaper than a set of replacement $ cartridges for your current printer.  O >                           And if one of those manufacturers starts to provide G > the recyclable cartridges in the USA, the others will have to follow.   D Lots of people already do refillable cartridges here in the states. G They are usually of much lower quality and perform badly.  In a serious C environment they are unlikely to get more than one try before being A abandoned.  There is a major provider of non-brandname cartridges 8 for HP printers that we tried and would never try again.   > L > Also, printer leadership is not cast in stone. Centronics used to be "the" > printer company.    F While Centronics is well known for the parallel interface spec I and IF am sure most people reading this have probably never seen a CentronicsE manufactured printer.  I can name many others who were much bigger in D the game (Just this weekend I saw a bunch of Mannesman printers in a computer room I visited!)   O >                   Then when IBM came out with its PC, it teamed up with EPSON K > which then became the de-facto standard. In fairness to HP, they did earn L > their "de facto standard" whilst EPSON got that title just because of some > agreement with IBM.   G And, also in fairness, that status is due to the marketing power of IBM I and little to do with the printer or Epson.  IBM dumped thousands of them E into the industry.  ISV's wrote software to support them because they E wanted to be "IBM compatable".  And eventually companies like Okidata B just came out with new firmware to make their (far superior, IMHO) printers "IBM compatable".     > P > But there is really nothing to prevent HP from losing its leadership position.  E This is true, but if it happens, it will be because of something they / do and not with the fickleness of the industry.    > J > And since HP has shed its core business (scientific equipment), all thatE > remains which has potential for profits is the enterprise business.   C I don't think they have any chance of ever being the master of that  segement of the business.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:50:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: HP servers management shakeup happening, Message-ID: <412101E5.E9EE4D1A@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:L > > And since HP has shed its core business (scientific equipment), all thatG > > remains which has potential for profits is the enterprise business.  > E > I don't think they have any chance of ever being the master of that  > segement of the business.   M Would there be disagreement to the statement that HP is losing its leadership # position in the enterprise sector ?   N I realise that for VMS bigots, there isn't much admiration for HP. But for theK mainstream enterprise business, is HP gaining, maintaining or losing ground 2 with regards to its image as a serious contender ?  J If it is not improving, would this be mostly due to poor service/sales, orD because their product offering is in such a state of flux due to the? transition to that IA64 thing that customers are staying away ?   M *IF* HP and Intel eventually manage to shake the image that IA64 isn't viable L in the long term andthat it is a technological as well as market flop, wouldJ HP'd enterprise fortunes begin to improve, or would HP's sales and supportD organisations still put roadblocks to HP's rise back to leadership ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:03:30 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>4 Subject: Re: HP servers management shakeup happening* Message-ID: <2oceo1F95ijpU1@uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Bob Koehler wrote:D >>    Many of us looking at new VMS systems are looking at IA64.  We: >>    have no trouble understanding a drop in Alpha sales. >...G > So a 35% drop in Alpha, with an overall reduction in total enterprise F > systems, means that IA64 is not taking up the slack from the drop in > Alpha sales.  F But it will. Companies who were looking to buy an Alpha or two in 2003E and 2004 are instead waiting for VMS to be released (and go through a G dot release or two) on IA64. So by the time VMS 8.5 is out there should  be a lot of new hardware sold.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:36:59 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>4 Subject: Re: HP servers management shakeup happening* Message-ID: <2ocgmqF9797nU1@uni-berlin.de>   Tom Linden wrote:  >...> > I wonder why the Financial Analysts don't demand to have the > breakdown by OS.< > It is the only way to get a clear picture of the business. >...  G Our "John Smith" knows people who would be able to get this information F with a phone call. But once they get that type of information they areB not likely to give it anyone who would publish it here. I rememberC hearing one of those phone calls one time while waiting outside the G office of a person John Smith knows, it is amazing how high people jump ; when you are telling them that you are dumping their stock.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:06:25 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: HP servers management shakeup happening, Message-ID: <nc-dncrpF6qe0bzcRVn-vQ@igs.net>   Peter Weaver wrote:  > Tom Linden wrote:  >> ...? >> I wonder why the Financial Analysts don't demand to have the  >> breakdown by OS. = >> It is the only way to get a clear picture of the business.  >> ... > = > Our "John Smith" knows people who would be able to get this ? > information with a phone call. But once they get that type of E > information they are not likely to give it anyone who would publish E > it here. I remember hearing one of those phone calls one time while @ > waiting outside the office of a person John Smith knows, it isE > amazing how high people jump when you are telling them that you are  > dumping their stock.  F And they 'offer" to perform surgery on certain nether regions of one'sH anatomy - generally one of two procedures...either removing something orL creating an extra circularly-shaped orifice. That just before they dump your* body out of a car traveling at high speed.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2004 18:42:21 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....* Message-ID: <2ocdgdF970a3U2@uni-berlin.de>  , In article <4120D09B.1090002@tsoft-inc.com>,+ 	David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > P > The US Selective Service appears to actually be selective.  I read an article N > recently stating that they were compiling lists of IT people, and something S > else, oh, networking people.  They also do this with doctors.  I guess there can  S > be a draft of selective catagories.  Should the VMS developers worry about being  
 > drafted?  H Not likely.  They are going to be much more interested in Networking, MS3 and Unix (pretty much in that order of importance,)   B On another but similar note, if there are any prior-service people? in this group who have at any time considered National Guard or @ Reserve membership this is a great time to think about it again.A The Army is badly in need of IT Warrant Officers.  And of all the B ranks in the military, the Warrant Officer has got to be the best.5 Feel free to contact me if you want more information. C (Hopefully this won't come off as any more of an advertisement than . the ones we get from the Charon VAX VARs.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:55:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <41210316.9F66D94C@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:J > Not likely.  They are going to be much more interested in Networking, MS5 > and Unix (pretty much in that order of importance,)   E If the military VMS systems are either hidden away in colorado, or in I extremely mission critical roles in awacs planes, I would assume that the L military would already have the necessary number of skilled humans to do theG mission critical job. Also, those systems would be a finite number that D doesn't grow (military doesn't get new awacs deliveries every week).  M But for smaller systems that are rolled out in large quantities to the field, I my guess is that they would need a much more variable number of people to $ support the gadgets/devices/systems.     3 > The Army is badly in need of IT Warrant Officers.   ? Sorry if this is IT, but what exactly is a IT Warrant Officer ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:58:25 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <Oaidnd-m896-17zcRVn-tA@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:. > In article <41210316.9F66D94C@teksavvy.com>,1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>5 >>> The Army is badly in need of IT Warrant Officers.  >>B >> Sorry if this is IT, but what exactly is a IT Warrant Officer ? >  > IT = Information Technology  > 1 > Warrant Officer Military Occupational Specialty & > 251A. Information Systems Technician > D > Duties: Manages personnel and information system assets associated@ > with Automation Battlefield Computer Systems (ABCS), AutomatedB > Information Systems (AIS), and Internet Protocol (IP) Local AreaA > Networks (LANs). Performs system integration. Develops software  > installation plans. H > Plans and develops Information Systems Life Cycle Management. ConductsG > systems analysis, design, development, implementation, and acceptance F > testing. Creates and implements Information Assurance Plans. DesignsC > and implements ABCS/AIS LANs into tactical environments. Performs E > systems administration and LAN administration of tactical ABCS/AIS; C > manages training of personnel in the installation, operation, and ; > administration of tactical ABCS/AIS, intranets, and video E > teleconferencing systems. Provides technical guidance and direction E > to subordinate operating elements. Develops policy and guidance for  > management of 3 > all LANs and information systems at all echelons.     K Seems to me that "General" is a better rank - better food, better uniforms, J pay, housing, more vacations, and more people you can send to the brig for not doing their duty  I ...come to think of it...let's see if we can get carly(tm) to enlist ....    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:00:55 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <So6dnRvLQaUk17zcRVn-jQ@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > David Froble wrote: E >> Killing Alpha was guaranteed to produce very angry customers, some A >> of who would go away for good.  They didn't care, guessed what 5 >> percentage would do so, and gladly wrote them off.  > B > But Carly had the easy way of killing Alpha: get Curly to do theA > deed. If Carly has to kill VMS, she'll have to do the dirty job E > herself and it may increase her hairdressing costs when all the sht  > is thrown at her.  > E >> If HP decides that they don't want to be in a particular business, B >> they will close it down, and accept the customer loss.  They've4 >> already done it.  It gets easier the second time. > D > Unless the division in which VMS is is struggling and can't really > afford to lose any business. > F > For Alpha, it was easy since the loss of sales was burried/forgottenA > due to the announcement of the merger and the 9 month pregnancy C > period after which, when the two companies combined. But if Carly E > were to announce the death of VMS during normal business withot any ? > large merger, takeover in sight, then the loss in revenus and 5 > customer backlash couldn't be hidden under the rug.     I The books would be 'window-dressed' for a quarter or two prior to *prove* K that VMS wasn't making any money for HP, thereby 'justifiying' the decisionu
 to EOL it.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Aug 2004 00:38:00 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....* Message-ID: <2od2b8F9b2qpU1@uni-berlin.de>  , In article <Oaidnd-m896-17zcRVn-tA@igs.net>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > 0 > Seems to me that "General" is a better rank - = >                                               better food, n       Sometime, I guess.  M >                                                            better uniforms,   E     Nope, the same uniforms except for a little more window dressing.m   > pay, h  A    Well duh...  And the president of the bank makes more than thel9    cashiers, but you don't get to start as the president.M   >      housing,       Yeah, that's usually better.     >               more vacations,   E   Not really.  Generals acrue the same number of days leave each yearsD   as everyone else.  And most of the generals I have known ended outB   not having the opportunity to actually use all that leave.  PlusB   frequently working even though they were on leave.  Kind of like   a concientious CEO.  :-)  L >                               and more people you can send to the brig for > not doing their duty  C   Not really.  I successfully sent people "to the brig" even when IrE   wasn't an officer at all.  Even had one discharged from the service-   once.3  B   In any case, the extra weight of the job far outweighs the addedD perks.  I stand by my original statement, Being a Warrant Officer is  by far the best job in the Army.   > K > ...come to think of it...let's see if we can get carly(tm) to enlist ....-  D Sorry, even those who buy the old "military inteligence" == oxymoronB joke would know that the Army is much to bright to ever let her in any position of authority.   bill   -- -J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:19:45 -0400:# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <6e6dnQpEI-Yo8LzcRVn-vA@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:. > In article <Oaidnd-m896-17zcRVn-tA@igs.net>,' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:- >>0 >> Seems to me that "General" is a better rank -= >>                                               better food,i >n >     Sometime, I guess. >BD >>                                                            better >> uniforms, >)G >     Nope, the same uniforms except for a little more window dressing.1 >1 >> pay,i >rC >    Well duh...  And the president of the bank makes more than theW; >    cashiers, but you don't get to start as the president.o >S >>      housing, >u! >    Yeah, that's usually better.2 >   >>               more vacations, > G >   Not really.  Generals acrue the same number of days leave each year F >   as everyone else.  And most of the generals I have known ended outD >   not having the opportunity to actually use all that leave.  PlusD >   frequently working even though they were on leave.  Kind of like >   a concientious CEO.  :-) >kD >>                               and more people you can send to the  >> brig for not doing their duty >aE >   Not really.  I successfully sent people "to the brig" even when IeG >   wasn't an officer at all.  Even had one discharged from the service/	 >   once.b >:D >   In any case, the extra weight of the job far outweighs the addedF > perks.  I stand by my original statement, Being a Warrant Officer is" > by far the best job in the Army. >- >>G >> ...come to think of it...let's see if we can get carly(tm) to enlist0 >> ....1 >7F > Sorry, even those who buy the old "military inteligence" == oxymoronD > joke would know that the Army is much to bright to ever let her in > any position of authority.     !!rim-shot   ;-)   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2004 14:36:11 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e9 Subject: Re: NONSHRADR and NONRES messages at end of bootc3 Message-ID: <s3p9qG0bnS9i@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  f In article <dd3f0cb7.0408131427.6637edbc@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes:x > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<4n6oTU2L++yN@eisner.encompasserve.org>...i >> In article <dd3f0cb7.0408120949.2547cc1a@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes: K >> > My 7.2-2 Alphas always output these messages on the console at the endeG >> > of a boot.  I know it's not causing a problem, but I was wonderinga0 >> > what I could do to get rid of the messages. >> > M= >> > %INSTALL-I-NOTSHRADR, DECW$XLIBSHR is not installed with  >> > shareable address datal >> > o >> a# >>    Sounds like time for autogen.o > E > Autogen has been run many times on these systems since the messages  > started coming out.-  B    If something is seriously mis-tuned, you may need to dig in andB    boost some parameters manually.  Autogen make only conservative    changes.   D    It's also possible that something is being installed incorrectly,H    that it wasn't linked with shared address data.  analize/image should    tell you how it was linked.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2004 15:10:36 -07001 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) , Subject: output of simultaneous subprocesses= Message-ID: <477e0934.0408161410.509960b9@posting.google.com>   B I have a mainprog that fires off two subprocesses using lib$spawn.A The output of the subprocesses is automatically piped back to they parent.   E Each subprocess goes into a loop, printing it's PID and a count, thenw- delaying 1 second.  It repeats this 10 times.r  ? The parent does the same before waiting for the subprocesses to-	 complete.-  % When I run this interactively, i see:0   parent_pid 1 subproc1_pid 1 subproc2_pid 1 parent_pid 2 subproc1_pid 2 subproc2_pid 2   etc...  A When I run it in batch mode, with the output going to a log file,a subproc2's output is missing:"   parent_pid 1 subproc1_pid 1 parent_pid 2 subproc1_pid 2   etc...  D I know that the second subprocess is starting, and I know that it isB running and printing (via printf).  The output appears to be lost.  E Does anyone know what is going on?  How can I get all three processes/5 output into the log file, just like interactive mode?    Thanks,f  
 joshua lehrerm factset research systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2004 13:39:59 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Print to File?i3 Message-ID: <k1HMVJ$vulm7@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  \ In article <4120DFB8.1954CD88@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:K > You would want to develop a print symbiont which copies each file that is-< > submitted to a specific location and gives it a good name. > N > There is good documentatin on writing a print symbiont. Can't remember whereJ > it is though. But if there is a master index in the VMS doc set (the old3 > printed one does), you should be able to find it.u  C There are two standard ways to write your own print symbiont.  LastVF I knew, both were documented in the Utility Routines Reference Manual.  H Way 1:  SMB$ routines.  You interface to the queue manager, retrieve jobE information, open up source files, do whatever you want to do, report G job completion.  Almost nothing is done for you.  You have to roll youroL own for everything, including opening files by FID and interpreting carriageA control.  I've never used this interface -- too darned much work."  E Way 2:  PSM$ routines.  You interface to a template symbiont and hook K in your own routines to replace various components.  If you want to replaceeK the job flag you hook in your own routine at the PSM$K_JOB_FLAG hook point.tG If you want to replace the output routine, you hook in your own routine-H at the PSM$K_OUTPUT hook point.  I've written a fair number of symbiontsE using this interface.  It's fairly simple to do.  If you want to send@@ output to a file, PSM$K_OUTPUT is the obvious hook point to use.  K Here's a working PSM symbiont.  It's functionally equivalent to PRTSMB.EXE.>   	STATUS = PSM$PRINT()l3 	IF ( .NOT. STATUS ) CALL SYS$EXIT ( %VAL(STATUS) )  	END  P > And to copy the files, you can use the CONVERT callable routines (CONV$xxxx if > I remember correctly).  F If you're copying files, you're probably using the SMB$ interface.  IfC you're using the PSM$ interface, you'll be writing records instead.DE Just use the ordinary file operations within your language of choice.e  G I still recommend using EXEC_SYMB for this particular task.  Far easierf@ than either PSM$ or SMB$ interfaces.  And easier to tweak/debug.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2004 14:45:35 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o  Subject: Re: Re, Re : set prompt3 Message-ID: <bOAm7GU1UAHY@eisner.encompasserve.org>k  W In article <4120D4FD.1060503@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:- > 8 > Take the hypothetical case.  A directory structure of: > { > [UserDirectory.AccountingUsers.JoshaAlexanderWellington.AccountsPayable.SpecialAccounts.ReallyBadWelchers.FiscalYear2000]  >  > On the device: >  > 1$1AccountingUsersDisk > ) > Might then give you a prompt string of:u >  > 1$1AccountingUsersDisk:[UserDirectory.AccountingUsers.JoshaAlexanderWellington.AccountsPayable.SpecialAccounts.ReallyBadWelchers.FiscalYear2000]>C >   G    Yeah, I'm always learning new shell man pages because someone set uph    the default prompt to bep  V somehost:/export/users/namegoeshere/projectname/facilityname/modulename/programname/ >  E    and I want to shut it off.  I do like to actually see the commands'    I'm typing.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:02:08 GMTa1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Re: set promptu< Message-ID: <4p8Uc.8088$zo4.2585@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   gngn wrote:tD > I would like to replace the $ prompt to reflect the user's currentM > directory (i.e. - vol:[dir.dir]$ ). Is this possible? Was thinking of usingaO > f$(directory), but of course this won't refresh everytime that user set def's $ > somewhere else. Any solutions ? =)  F I have a symbol SD defined to execute the following two command procs:    
 $!! sd.com
 $set noverifys  $  IF "''P1'" .EQS. "" THEN EXIT $  POS1 = F$LOCATE("[","''P1'")a $  POS2 = F$LOCATE(".","''P1'")  $  POS3 = F$LOCATE("]","''P1'")d $  LEN = F$LENGTH("''P1'")* $  IF POS1 .EQS. POS2 THEN GOTO CONDITION2- $  IF POS3 .EQS. LEN - 1 THEN GOTO CONDITION2s $  SET DEF ['P1] $  GOTO EXIT_COMMAND_FILED $! $CONDITION2: $  SET DEF 'P1 $! $EXIT_COMMAND_FILE:s$ $  @<hard-coded-login-dir>SET_PROMPT $2   $!! set_prompt.com $x = f$getsyi("nodename")d4 $y = f$edit(f$getjpi("","USERNAME"),"TRIM,COMPRESS")" $if f$length(f$directory()) .le. 8 $thenC $  z = f$directory() $elsetO $z = f$extract(f$length(f$directory())-8,f$length(f$directory()),f$directory())D $endif $set prompt="''x'>''y'>''z'$ "      L The SD is a set default that allows you to set default to lower directories  without using brackets.    Example:    ALPHA1>MAUSTIN>MAUSTIN]$ sd .tmp ALPHA1>MAUSTIN>TIN.TMP]$  Q this does two things.  changes the current working directory and sets the prompt eM to include the last 8 characters of the current directory.  This way I know:  P what node I am on, who I am and the current directory.  When you use SETUSER to I change who you are -- it is sometimes important to know who you are when t executing a procedure.  I these were written probably 10 years ago and I have not modified to take uS advantage of pipe or other commands that would reduce the number of lines executed.S   --   Michael Austin.n Consultant - Available.-@ Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html :)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:43:55 GMT-" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: set prompt00 Message-ID: <00A36741.1305115B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  P In article <cfqfj6$c0b$1@s5.feed.news.oleane.net>, "gngn" <b0fh@free.fr> writes:C >I would like to replace the $ prompt to reflect the user's current L >directory (i.e. - vol:[dir.dir]$ ). Is this possible? Was thinking of usingN >f$(directory), but of course this won't refresh everytime that user set def's# >somewhere else. Any solutions ? =)   7 Send me an email and I'll let you have a copy of XPDNT.t   -- c< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.e -- W, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! h -- hK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMs   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:14:04 +0000 (UTC)m6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: ssh on HP TCP/IP Services 5.41 Message-ID: <newscache$f88k2i$mvf1$1@news.sil.at>s  q In article <DwyrH8+xoFIy@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: n >In article <4118D469.2E9E5E91@aiub.unibe.ch>, Thomas Schildknecht <thomas.schildknecht@aiub.unibe.ch> writes:C >> Does anyone know how I can get the client host address (IP) when H >> connected via ssh to the VMS system. (I would like to write a command >> file to set the "Display"). >> e5 >> I'm using HP TCP/IP Services 5.4 on OpenVMS 7.3-2.N >A
 >   Don't.   Or at least upgrade to ECO 2  F >   First of all, the display is not set to the remote system when youB >   are tunneling X11 over SSH, it's set to a SSH "display" on theE >   local system, which connects into the tunnel.  SSH should set it i6 >   automatically.  Typically it's display 10 or more.   Yup, SSH sets it, but then ?  	 $ SH DISP = %DECW-W-OPENIN, error opening ns.langstoeger.at:10.0 as input ' -SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name-  E >   Second of all, support for X11 tunneling via TCP/IP Services' SSHnA >   is abysmal.  Wait until it's fixed, or get a better IP stack.l  F I heard, that it should work. But I hadn't time so far to make it workE for me (seems I need a lot of RTFM again). Maybe in the next weeks...E   -- T Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERt% Network and OpenVMS system specialistu E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:10:19 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)3 Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] Please fix WebserverproblemM1 Message-ID: <newscache$6a5k2i$mvf1$1@news.sil.at>   a In article <slrncheopj.ql.thierry@MARS.Family>, Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> writes:hG >On 2004-08-09, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:nm >> In article <newscache$j1fo1i$xtx1$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: * >>>Webserver is working now. Thanks folks." >>>If only I'd get the mail now... >>C >> After 4 tries so far, I still haven't received the license mail.n9 >> And a direct mail to David C is also still unanswered.n; >> Do anyone know of troubles and when the will be fixed or   >> is David also on vacation ;-)  ? I got them 6 min after posting (and logging off) the last time.t9 So, thanks to everyone who did help in the background ;-)   L >I just ordered new licenses some days ago (on the 5th).  Had to try 3 times& >until I got them, but then it worked.M >Maybe make sure they don't get recognized as spam (a friend had this problemsG >where his ISP was filtering all his mail and had to take another emaile
 >address).  J I'm my own ISP and it didn't hang in my filters (OPERATOR.LOG is the first( thing to check when I'm missing a mail).  2 But seeing you having problems too explains a lot. Thanks for responding.   -- . Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERE% Network and OpenVMS system specialistt E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2004 14:26:44 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler).: Subject: Re: [OT]: Sun on Track with Solaris-on-Power Plan3 Message-ID: <Aklie8NAPOBy@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  R In article <7_adnRpktPjaToHcRVn-qg@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > ) > Sun on Track with Solaris-on-Power Plano >  > Thu Aug 12, 5:45 AM ET > Jeffrey Burt - eWEEK > L > Sun Microsystems Inc.'s plans for bringing its Solaris operating system to5 > IBM's Power architecture appear to be moving along.  >   .    They finally found a fix for little SPARCy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:12:20 -0400d* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>: Subject: Re: [OT]: Sun on Track with Solaris-on-Power Plan2 Message-ID: <ioidnbKwhebd9LzcRVn-rQ@metrocast.net>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Aklie8NAPOBy@eisner.encompasserve.org...uL > In article <7_adnRpktPjaToHcRVn-qg@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:r > >A+ > > Sun on Track with Solaris-on-Power Plana > >  > > Thu Aug 12, 5:45 AM ET > > Jeffrey Burt - eWEEK > > K > > Sun Microsystems Inc.'s plans for bringing its Solaris operating systeme to7 > > IBM's Power architecture appear to be moving along.o > >a >n0 >    They finally found a fix for little SPARCy.  G Actually, they found an excellent fix a while ago:  BIG SPARCy64, whichjD yields better per-processor commercial performance than Itanic whereL apples-to-apples benchmark comparisons exist (perhaps there are more now - I haven't checked recently).  H Still, if your implication is that neither Itanic nor SPARC64 can hold aH candle to POWER5, you're right, so looking there as well makes sense forB customers who don't mind recompiling for a different architecture.   - bill   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.454 ************************