1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 17 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 455       Contents: (OT:) New York marathon  Re: (OT:) New York marathon  Re: (OT:) New York marathon  Re: Alpha Commitment Tour  Re: Alpha Commitment Tour  Re: Alpha Commitment Tour  Re: Alpha Commitment Tour  ALpha PWS500au Blowout DECserver TCPIP setup ; Does SHE know about VMS??  not according to this article :(  HP Away  Re: HP Away + Re: HP servers management shakeup happening  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  RE: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP.... ' Re: output of simultaneous subprocesses ' Re: output of simultaneous subprocesses D PCSI update of software on a different disk than it was installed onM Re: PCSI update of software on a different disk than it was installed on onon G Please check this out! IS OpenVMS and Storage support is going offshore P Re: Please check this out! IS OpenVMS and Storage support is going offshore offs Re: Re, Re : set prompt  Re: Shade bars using DCPS  Re: Shade bars using DCPS  Re: Shade bars using DCPS  Re: Shade bars using DCPS  SHOW UCX PROXY+ Re: TCP Server  SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM on restart 1 Re: [OT]: Sun on Track with Solaris-on-Power Plan   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:48:21 +0200 2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>  Subject: (OT:) New York marathon) Message-ID: <cfsk8q$8g10@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>    Hi,   ] I have just received my startnumber for the NY marathon this year. I am coming with 2 friends  to NewYork.   = Are any other members of comp.os.vms going to run in NewYork?      Karl Rohwedder (Germany)   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Aug 2004 12:14:20 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)$ Subject: Re: (OT:) New York marathon* Message-ID: <2oeb4sF9c8dcU1@uni-berlin.de>  ) In article <cfsk8q$8g10@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>, 5 	Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de> writes:  > Hi,  > _ > I have just received my startnumber for the NY marathon this year. I am coming with 2 friends 
 > to NewYork.  > ? > Are any other members of comp.os.vms going to run in NewYork?    Sorry, 5K is my limit.  :-)   C But, for those of the same inclination, on the 28th of August there B is a rather challenging 5K at West Point, NY.  5K linear distance,A 975 feet of elevation diference from start to finish.  And that's  up, not down.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:28:22 +0200 % From: Patriarche <papySCB@polbox.com> $ Subject: Re: (OT:) New York marathon= Message-ID: <MPG.1b8c1852115d9af3989807@news.adsl.hexanet.fr>   @ Dans l'article <cfsk8q$8g10@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>, emil.mustermann@t- online.de nous racontait...  > Hi,  > _ > I have just received my startnumber for the NY marathon this year. I am coming with 2 friends 
 > to NewYork.  > ? > Are any other members of comp.os.vms going to run in NewYork?  >  > Karl Rohwedder (Germany)  , No, i prefer Medoc's marathon, hipss ! ;-)))      --   --  	 A Dopu...  --- , L'Papy Ming_on_OpenVMS_in_his_small_business France
 www.42kms.com  www.conseil.org/papy  3 "Il n'y a qu'une vrit, mais chacun a la sienne !" F "Ces crits n'engagent que moi et ma personne... Ce n'est l'expression= d'aucun club, association ou autre groupement de personnes !"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:51:15 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>" Subject: Re: Alpha Commitment Tour* Message-ID: <2odrnkF9edk6U1@uni-berlin.de>   Chris Scheers wrote:D > I just received an email from HP advertising the "Alpha Commitment > Tour". >  > The first bullet point is: > ; >  Discover the exciting future of HP AlphaServer systems   >  > !?!?!?!?!? >    The postmark is dated?   --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:35:22 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha Commitment Tour, Message-ID: <tfSdnQSutJoAlL_cRVn-hg@igs.net>   Paul Sture wrote:  > Chris Scheers wrote:E >> I just received an email from HP advertising the "Alpha Commitment 	 >> Tour".  >> >> The first bullet point is:  >>; >>  Discover the exciting future of HP AlphaServer systems  >>
 >> !?!?!?!?!?  >> >  > The postmark is dated?   Probably June 24, 2001   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:51:03 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>" Subject: Re: Alpha Commitment Tour* Message-ID: <2oekasF9qugcU1@uni-berlin.de>   John Smith wrote:  > Paul Sture wrote:  >  >>Chris Scheers wrote: >>E >>>I just received an email from HP advertising the "Alpha Commitment 	 >>>Tour".  >>>  >>>The first bullet point is:  >>> ; >>> Discover the exciting future of HP AlphaServer systems  >>> 
 >>>!?!?!?!?!?  >>>  >> >>The postmark is dated? >  >  > Probably June 24, 2001 >   I Yes, we had a VMS Update Day here on 18-May-2001. I was glad I opted for  5 the HBVS session rather than the future of Alpha one.      --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:38:36 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> " Subject: Re: Alpha Commitment Tour* Message-ID: <2oen79F9kg2eU1@uni-berlin.de>   Paul Sture wrote:  > Chris Scheers wrote: > E >> I just received an email from HP advertising the "Alpha Commitment 	 >> Tour".  >> >> The first bullet point is:  >>; >>  Discover the exciting future of HP AlphaServer systems 
 >> !?!?!?!?!?  >> >  > The postmark is dated?  - 1-Apr-2004 ?  They have a sense of humour :-|    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:08:15 -0400 ; From: "Island Computers USA" <dbturner@islandco.com.nospam>  Subject: ALpha PWS500au Blowout 0 Message-ID: <10i4aquan6fcn93@news.supernews.com>    Alpha Personal Workstation 500au 128MB Memory Miata GL (on Board SCSI) UWide 9GB 7200RPM Hard disk SCSI 10/100 Ethernet  On Board Sound# ATAPI CDROM (VMS 7.1-2>) and Floppy 
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 Power Cord   US$ 599 while stocks last     ( Call or email us - VMS only special !!!!   Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  DIRECT#: 912 232 1729  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: sales at - hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.net    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 10:38:12 -0700! From: tapper4@hotmail.com (Tappy)  Subject: DECserver TCPIP setup= Message-ID: <a50d3db1.0408170938.57bbaf12@posting.google.com>    Hi All, D I'm unable to remove a previous IP address and internet setup from a? 900M DECserver. I have tried a physical reset as well as ">init E factory delay 0". Everything gets wiped out but the internet setup. I F have tried clear and purge commands as well. Any help would be greatly appreciated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:49:52 -0700 / From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@comcast.net> D Subject: Does SHE know about VMS??  not according to this article :(" Message-ID: <6238321@MVB.SAIC.COM>  L http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/story/0,10801,95312,00. html?nas=AM-95312    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 09:19:33 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: HP Away= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0408170819.74050e5d@posting.google.com>    Click   > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/17/sun_hpaway_phasethree/    % HP's Unix base offered Opteron carrot   ? "HP World Sun Microsystems has started Phase III of its HP Away @ program for shifting customers off the Tru64 and HP-UX operating systems and onto Solaris.   E This time round Sun has centered its attack on a new fleet of Opteron = servers, which were finally delivered in July, instead of its E traditional UltraSPARC-based gear. As in the past, Sun offers up free B consulting services to HP customers to demonstrate how much a moveD from Tru64 or HP-UX will cost and how well applications will performE on Solaris. Over the past year, Sun has pulled 150 customers from HP, ' resulting in close to $200m in revenue.   F "We were focused on moving customers from RISC to RISC before, but nowF that we have these Opteron systems, we decided to offer a move from HP@ RISC platforms to x86 as well," said Larry Singer, Sun's head of global market strategies.   B One positive with the new Opteron program is that HP customers are? being given a path from traditionally more expensive Alpha- and - PA-RISC-based servers to lower-cost x86 gear.    ^ ' |------- HP: Look at this paragraph !!!     E Sun offers workstations, a two processor box and a four processor box A based on AMD's x86-64-bit Opteron chip. Sun is familiar with this E shift from RISC to x86, as it has seen a number of its key customers, ? particularly those in the financial services markets, move from $ Solaris/SPARC kit to Linux on Intel.  A These days, however, Sun's renewed interest in Solaris x86 has it B asking HP's customer base to make an easier Unix to Unix shift andC just replace the processor underneath the OS. But with only up to a C four-processor Opteron system available, Sun won't be able to tempt F HP's higher-end Unix customers to make this move. In addition, Sun hasE yet to complete a 64-bit version of Solaris for Opteron. HP customers F would need to be running 32-bit software or wait until December to get the 64-bit OS.  A Sun, of course, started this HP Away program to attract Alpha and C PA-RISC customers that are being forced to move onto Intel's 64-bit @ Itanium processor, as HP pulls out of the processor-making game. (...)"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:36:39 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  Subject: Re: HP Away0 Message-ID: <cftc6o$7hm$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > Click  > @ > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/17/sun_hpaway_phasethree// > PA-RISC-based servers to lower-cost x86 gear.  >  > ^ ) > |------- HP: Look at this paragraph !!!  >  > G > Sun offers workstations, a two processor box and a four processor box C > based on AMD's x86-64-bit Opteron chip. Sun is familiar with this G > shift from RISC to x86, as it has seen a number of its key customers, A > particularly those in the financial services markets, move from & > Solaris/SPARC kit to Linux on Intel. > C > These days, however, Sun's renewed interest in Solaris x86 has it D > asking HP's customer base to make an easier Unix to Unix shift andE > just replace the processor underneath the OS. But with only up to a E > four-processor Opteron system available, Sun won't be able to tempt H > HP's higher-end Unix customers to make this move. In addition, Sun hasG > yet to complete a 64-bit version of Solaris for Opteron. HP customers H > would need to be running 32-bit software or wait until December to get > the 64-bit OS. >   A Full AMD64 support arrives in Solaris 10 which itself has a whole C load of tempting goodies designed to lure the wavering HP-UX, Tru64 < customer away such as ZFS, Dtrace and Zones plus a lot more.  ? Su is also doing an 8 way Opteron box though this isn't out yet < and when AMD goes dual core this will in effect double, that1 eats a long way into HP's current installed base.    Regards  Andrew Harrison   C > Sun, of course, started this HP Away program to attract Alpha and E > PA-RISC customers that are being forced to move onto Intel's 64-bit B > Itanium processor, as HP pulls out of the processor-making game. > (...)"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:34:35 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>4 Subject: Re: HP servers management shakeup happening* Message-ID: <4121C31B.60808@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:     O > Would there be disagreement to the statement that HP is losing its leadership % > position in the enterprise sector ?     + Just cause you write it doesn't make it so.   N What makes you think that HP ever was a leader in the enterprise sector?  I'm N talking traditional HP, not what HP is today.  I don't think there was enough M enterprise business left in Compact by the time HP got hold of it.  June 21,   2001 took care of that.    Nothing to lose.   Dave     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 00:23:38 -0700$ From: leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....= Message-ID: <d0e744c9.0408162323.18ab5adc@posting.google.com>   N > Unless the division in which VMS is is struggling and can't really afford to > lose any business.  # Alpha and VMS on same sinking ship?   C See http://www.thechannelinsider.com/article2/0,1759,1636239,00.asp - (short url to same: http://tinyurl.com/6qkgk)   A "While overall revenues for the Palo Alto, Calif., company grew 9 @ percent in its third fiscal quarter ended July 31, sales for its9 Business Critical Systems unit, which includes Alpha- and C PA-RISC-based servers, declined 8 percent, said HP Chairman and CEO B Carly Fiorina, who announced the financial results in a conference0 call with analysts and the media last Thursday."   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 06:12:49 -0700( From: finnjj@telefonica.net (Jerry Finn)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....= Message-ID: <31a78418.0408170512.5b878217@posting.google.com>   l bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0408150603.b9aef10@posting.google.com>...A > Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote in message  L > > could a community effort make the requisite bank to buy and open-source L > > OVMS and/or maybe create a community-oriented OVMS to buy OVMS and sell 9 > > it a la the Cray employees buying back Cray from SGI?  > ; > they better not try to force users off, or else they will ; > make a lot of customers like us very very angry and never " > buy another HP product again ...  J Doesn't mean it won't happen. Its exactly whats happening with HP MPE/iX. C They tried, and are trying to get HP to release the source, but of  E course this is not in HP interest since they want their MPE customers C to move on to something different. I've been in alot of conferences G on this and OVMS is never mentioned as an alternative, only HPUX, Linux 
 and Windows.    
 Jerry Finn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:37:49 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <V4OdnSgB0uqtl7_cRVn-sQ@igs.net>   Jerry Finn wrote: 5 > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message : > news:<d7791aa1.0408150603.b9aef10@posting.google.com>...A >> Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote in message ? >>> could a community effort make the requisite bank to buy and E >>> open-source OVMS and/or maybe create a community-oriented OVMS to F >>> buy OVMS and sell it a la the Cray employees buying back Cray from >>> SGI? >>< >> they better not try to force users off, or else they will< >> make a lot of customers like us very very angry and never# >> buy another HP product again ...  > C > Doesn't mean it won't happen. Its exactly whats happening with HP 	 > MPE/iX. D > They tried, and are trying to get HP to release the source, but ofG > course this is not in HP interest since they want their MPE customers E > to move on to something different. I've been in alot of conferences C > on this and OVMS is never mentioned as an alternative, only HPUX,  > Linux  > and Windows.    F And all of this only supplies additional ammunition for Sun and IBM toJ encourage VMS customers to switch - "Hey, if you are going to be forced toH switch operating systems, you may as well switch to a company that cares  about having your business too."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:10:06 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ( Subject: RE: If OVMS is killed by HP....9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICELLDKAA.tom@kednos.com>    < -----Original Message-----* < From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]( < Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:38 AM < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * < Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP.... <  <  < Jerry Finn wrote: 7 < > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message < < > news:<d7791aa1.0408150603.b9aef10@posting.google.com>...C < >> Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote in message A < >>> could a community effort make the requisite bank to buy and G < >>> open-source OVMS and/or maybe create a community-oriented OVMS to H < >>> buy OVMS and sell it a la the Cray employees buying back Cray from
 < >>> SGI? < >>> < >> they better not try to force users off, or else they will> < >> make a lot of customers like us very very angry and never% < >> buy another HP product again ...  < > E < > Doesn't mean it won't happen. Its exactly whats happening with HP  < > MPE/iX. F < > They tried, and are trying to get HP to release the source, but ofI < > course this is not in HP interest since they want their MPE customers G < > to move on to something different. I've been in alot of conferences E < > on this and OVMS is never mentioned as an alternative, only HPUX, 	 < > Linux  < > and Windows. <  < H < And all of this only supplies additional ammunition for Sun and IBM toL < encourage VMS customers to switch - "Hey, if you are going to be forced toJ < switch operating systems, you may as well switch to a company that cares" < about having your business too."  D I only just yesterday spoke with someone very close who is in senior	 managment L at one of the largest financial firms in the world, and they have a plethora ofK systems, Suns, Tru64+sybase, OpenVMS  and for their new procurement he told  meH that the criteria were in HP's favor over Sun and IBM, but in the end it appearedF it was going to IBM.  I extolled the virtues of VMS,  but Sybase was a problem and I he couldn't sell VMS to management and the future with Itanium looked far 
 too risky.  , BTW, why is Sybase not supported on OpenVMS?     <  <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A < Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004  <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 12:08:59 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....3 Message-ID: <Jc9Id50sX1QJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <V4OdnSgB0uqtl7_cRVn-sQ@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > H > And all of this only supplies additional ammunition for Sun and IBM toL > encourage VMS customers to switch - "Hey, if you are going to be forced toJ > switch operating systems, you may as well switch to a company that cares" > about having your business too."  H    Any company that cares to have my business will provide a system that<    doesn't need an attached patch-o-matic.  Sun's not there.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:18:23 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <41223DDD.25AFF2F6@teksavvy.com>   Jerry Finn wrote: G > course this is not in HP interest since they want their MPE customers E > to move on to something different. I've been in alot of conferences I > on this and OVMS is never mentioned as an alternative, only HPUX, Linux  > and Windows.  H In fairness, because VMS does not yet commercially run on an HP approvedS platform, there is some logic in not pushing MPE customers to migrate to Alpha-VMS.   J The real test of HP's commitment to VMS starts the day VMS is commerciallyL available on that HP-approved IA64 thing. HP will have runned out of excuses7 not to market, push, and leverage the potential of VMS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:50:28 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <4121C6D4.6080209@tsoft-inc.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  . > In article <4120D09B.1090002@tsoft-inc.com>,- > 	David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > P >>The US Selective Service appears to actually be selective.  I read an article N >>recently stating that they were compiling lists of IT people, and something S >>else, oh, networking people.  They also do this with doctors.  I guess there can  S >>be a draft of selective catagories.  Should the VMS developers worry about being  
 >>drafted? >> > J > Not likely.  They are going to be much more interested in Networking, MS5 > and Unix (pretty much in that order of importance,)   J Yes, that's what the article was about.  But you took my statement out of P context.  The thread had gotten to the point of who would be interested in VMS, 3 and another poster implied the USAF was a VMS user.   K My less than serious comment was that if the USAF took over VMS, would the   developers be drafted.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:53:14 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....( Message-ID: <4121C77A.201@tsoft-inc.com>   John Smith wrote:    > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > . >>In article <41210316.9F66D94C@teksavvy.com>,1 >>JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >> >>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>>  >>> 5 >>>>The Army is badly in need of IT Warrant Officers.  >>>>B >>>Sorry if this is IT, but what exactly is a IT Warrant Officer ? >>>  >>IT = Information Technology  >>1 >>Warrant Officer Military Occupational Specialty & >>251A. Information Systems Technician >>D >>Duties: Manages personnel and information system assets associated@ >>with Automation Battlefield Computer Systems (ABCS), AutomatedB >>Information Systems (AIS), and Internet Protocol (IP) Local AreaA >>Networks (LANs). Performs system integration. Develops software  >>installation plans. H >>Plans and develops Information Systems Life Cycle Management. ConductsG >>systems analysis, design, development, implementation, and acceptance F >>testing. Creates and implements Information Assurance Plans. DesignsC >>and implements ABCS/AIS LANs into tactical environments. Performs E >>systems administration and LAN administration of tactical ABCS/AIS; C >>manages training of personnel in the installation, operation, and ; >>administration of tactical ABCS/AIS, intranets, and video E >>teleconferencing systems. Provides technical guidance and direction E >>to subordinate operating elements. Develops policy and guidance for  >>management of 3 >>all LANs and information systems at all echelons.  >> >  > M > Seems to me that "General" is a better rank - better food, better uniforms, L > pay, housing, more vacations, and more people you can send to the brig for > not doing their duty > K > ...come to think of it...let's see if we can get carly(tm) to enlist ....  >  >  >   4 I have the perfect job for her.  Target drone pilot.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:45:31 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <4121C5AB.4050500@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > David Froble wrote:  > P >>Actually, Intel could easily afford to run VMS engineering solely for it's ownQ >>use.  But that would be stupid.  Intel would use VMS to promote the itanic.  It O >>would be something they could use to offset any pressure Microsoft may try to  >>apply to them.   >> >  > M > No way. Intel will not start to compete against its own customers. If Intel L > were to pitch VMS against HP and IBM, those two would probably start to be > really good friends with AMD.      Knock Knock, is anybody home?   J In case you haven't noticed, HP and IBM already are good friends with AMD.  Q If Intel gets VMS, it just might be because there is no longer any HP to compete   with.   Q Note, I don't expect Intel to get VMS, regardless of what HP does or doesn't do.  O   I was just refuting your statement that Intel couldn't afford to develop VMS  ? strictly for in-house use.  That's not a lot of money to Intel.     L > However, where it might be interesting is if Intel were to continue VMS soN > that folks like Dell and Gateway could sell "enterprise systems" loaded withO > VMS which would compete against HP-UX, Solaris and AIX. But that would really + > require VMS be ported to the 64 bit 8086.     N I'd rather see it on a better architecture.  All that's left is Power.  Seems : that Power doesn't really have any competition these days.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 05:04:08 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <4121CA08.7090504@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > David Froble wrote:  > Q >>Killing Alpha was guaranteed to produce very angry customers, some of who would O >>go away for good.  They didn't care, guessed what percentage would do so, and  >>gladly wrote them off.   >> > K > But Carly had the easy way of killing Alpha: get Curly to do the deed. If K > Carly has to kill VMS, she'll have to do the dirty job herself and it may D > increase her hairdressing costs when all the sht is thrown at her.    O If what some believe is true, that Carly was calling the shots well before the  P merger, then she was part of blowing off all those customers.  Now, what is one N of the principal activities of most companies?  Attracting customers.  What's J better than having to go out and attract customers?  Already having them. P Forget blame.  Think instead of why anyone would make such a poor business move.    N >>If HP decides that they don't want to be in a particular business, they willQ >>close it down, and accept the customer loss.  They've already done it.  It gets  >>easier the second time.  >> > N > Unless the division in which VMS is is struggling and can't really afford to > lose any business.    M They'd never admit that VMS is making money.  They'd rather go tits up first.     M > For Alpha, it was easy since the loss of sales was burried/forgotten due to N > the announcement of the merger and the 9 month pregnancy period after which,M > when the two companies combined. But if Carly were to announce the death of M > VMS during normal business withot any large merger, takeover in sight, then M > the loss in revenus and customer backlash couldn't be hidden under the rug.   ] I think the end is near for Carly.  I just wonder whether her golden parachute will wreck HP.      Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 06:11:41 -07001 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) 0 Subject: Re: output of simultaneous subprocesses< Message-ID: <477e0934.0408170422.51fbed1@posting.google.com>  5 One last tidbit of information that might be helpful:   B If the second subprocess runs under the same username as the firstD subprocess, both subprocess's output appear in the parent's log fileE (regardless of the username the parent process is running under).  If = the second subprocess has a different username than the first @ subprocess, again, regardless of the username of the parent, the output is lost.   B This leeds me to believe that the first subprocess to write outputF back to the parent somehow takes ownership of the channel.  I've triedF to have the first child set the protections of it's sys$output back toA world read/write, but I get an error that it is not authorized to  modify the protections.    Thanks,    josh   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 11:06:07 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: output of simultaneous subprocesses3 Message-ID: <dZRpGl+A3sNY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <477e0934.0408170422.51fbed1@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes:7 > One last tidbit of information that might be helpful:  > D > If the second subprocess runs under the same username as the firstF > subprocess, both subprocess's output appear in the parent's log fileG > (regardless of the username the parent process is running under).  If ? > the second subprocess has a different username than the first B > subprocess, again, regardless of the username of the parent, the > output is lost.    Username, or UIC ?  D > This leeds me to believe that the first subprocess to write outputH > back to the parent somehow takes ownership of the channel.  I've triedH > to have the first child set the protections of it's sys$output back toC > world read/write, but I get an error that it is not authorized to  > modify the protections.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:09:23 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")M Subject: PCSI update of software on a different disk than it was installed on 6 Message-ID: <00A3677F.4BB0B8EC@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   Gang --    VMS Alpha 7.3-2   H I used to have my CSWS tree installed on a $web "pseudo-disk"; a rooted K logical on another disk.  (So $WEB was actually DKA2:[WEB.]).  At Christmas M I moved all that stuff to a volume of its own, so $WEB is now $9$DKA103., and * that's the volume with APACHE$COMMON, etc.  ) Now I come to update PHP to 1.2 from 1.1.   ' PCSI wants to install it in DKA2:[WEB.]   L which of course doesn't work.  It also can't uninstall it, because that tree doesn't exist anymore.  L What's the recommended procedure here?  I'm going to have this trouble againM with CSWS_PERL and with CSWS itself (or SWS, anyway) when I go to upgrade it. M I would rather avoid having to copy the whole apache$common tree back to the  M DKA2: so I can PRODUCT REMOVE it and then do a fresh install to the new disk.   I What do I do?  What should I have done to avoid this problem in the first  place?   Thanks,    -- Alan        --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:45:40 +0200 2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>V Subject: Re: PCSI update of software on a different disk than it was installed on onon( Message-ID: <cfsk3o$8g9@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:  	 > Gang --  >  > VMS Alpha 7.3-2  > J > I used to have my CSWS tree installed on a $web "pseudo-disk"; a rooted M > logical on another disk.  (So $WEB was actually DKA2:[WEB.]).  At Christmas O > I moved all that stuff to a volume of its own, so $WEB is now $9$DKA103., and , > that's the volume with APACHE$COMMON, etc. > + > Now I come to update PHP to 1.2 from 1.1.  > ) > PCSI wants to install it in DKA2:[WEB.]  > N > which of course doesn't work.  It also can't uninstall it, because that tree > doesn't exist anymore. > N > What's the recommended procedure here?  I'm going to have this trouble againO > with CSWS_PERL and with CSWS itself (or SWS, anyway) when I go to upgrade it.oO > I would rather avoid having to copy the whole apache$common tree back to the  O > DKA2: so I can PRODUCT REMOVE it and then do a fresh install to the new disk.  > K > What do I do?  What should I have done to avoid this problem in the firsts > place? > 	 > Thanks,f > 	 > -- Alan  >  >  > 5 Please check for the PRODUCT REGISTER VOLUME command.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:38:12 -0400.# From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> P Subject: Please check this out! IS OpenVMS and Storage support is going offshore- Message-ID: <cftfp2$r2t@library2.airnews.net>h  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17861f  F a couple of high end tru-64 folks havw told us that openvms and tru-64K support as well as san support is closing down in the us... has anyone elsei got this info from HP itself?u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:54:00 -0400g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>aY Subject: Re: Please check this out! IS OpenVMS and Storage support is going offshore offsM, Message-ID: <41224636.1FEE658C@teksavvy.com>   Hal Kuff wrote: + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17861-H > a couple of high end tru-64 folks havw told us that openvms and tru-64M > support as well as san support is closing down in the us... has anyone elsen > got this info from HP itself?4  M I have received emails from various ex-digits over the last year or two alongsN the same lines, as well as the official move of All-IN-1 support to India. And? from what I was towl, there was more than one round of layoffs.   A I reckon this may just be a continuation of a long term strategy.r  N Hoff, have they begun to offer VMS engineers indian language courses yet ? :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 01:20:29 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley).  Subject: Re: Re, Re : set prompt= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0408162347.6be77929@posting.google.com>r  g Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> wrote in message news:<slrnci1okk.1td.thierry@MARS.Family>...i > Hello! > : > On 2004-08-16, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > > gngn wrote:a > > X > > > Because i have some unix habits. I prefer to see where i'am or where a user is. =) > > > ; > > > > Takes too much space.  What's wrong with SHO DEF ora? > > > >  PWD == "show default"  if the user wants to know where  > > > > he is? > > > >  > >e: > > Take the hypothetical case.  A directory structure of: > >g} > > [UserDirectory.AccountingUsers.JoshaAlexanderWellington.AccountsPayable.SpecialAccounts.ReallyBadWelchers.FiscalYear2000]- > >- > > On the device: > >e > > 1$1AccountingUsersDisk > > + > > Might then give you a prompt string of:j > >R > > 1$1AccountingUsersDisk:[UserDirectory.AccountingUsers.JoshaAlexanderWellington.AccountsPayable.SpecialAccounts.ReallyBadWelchers.FiscalYear2000]>m > >-9 > > Oops, you only have an 80 character per line display?e > >dR > > There have been many postings on setting custom prompt strings, but VMS users Q > > being what they are, usually consider ALL cases, not just the trivial.  When  U > > doing so, it becomes clear that such a procedure isn't appropriate in many cases.- > N > And unix users, being what they are, usually find a solution then =:) (SCNR) > N > Most shells have the option either to show ALL the characters, or to say "ifN > the full path is more than X characters, show only the last Y directories or1 > the most possible which fit into X characters."s > O > On the other hand, you get used to a $ or something with the hostname and them > username.< > 	 > ThierrymB I don't know who wrote this one, but it seems towork in most cases Phil   $! CD.COM v6.09h) $! The Ultimate Change Directory Command.a $!D $  hdir     = f$trnlnm("SYS$LOGIN")                 ! Home DirectoryD $  ndir     = f$edit(p1,"UPCASE")                   ! New  DirectoryD $  odir     = f$environment("DEFAULT")              ! Old  DirectoryB $  prompton = (f$edit(f$trnlnm("SYS$PROMPT"),"UPCASE") .eqs. "ON") $!< $  if (ndir .eqs. "")           then goto DISPLAY   ! No DirE $  if (ndir .eqs. "*")          then goto DIRSEARCH ! Search for DirsoB $  if (ndir .eqs. "?")          then goto HELP      ! Instructions $!	 $  PARSE:eA $  length   = f$length(ndir)                        ! Fix up ndirp* $  if (f$location("@",ndir) .eq. 0) .or. -N       (f$location("$",ndir) .eq. 0) then ndir = f$extract(1, length - 1, ndir)& $  right    = f$location("]",ndir) + 1< $  if (right .gt. length) then right = f$location(">", ndir)@ $  if (right .le. length) then ndir  = f$extract(0, right, ndir) $!F $  if (f$trnlnm(ndir) .eqs. "") then goto CASESYM   ! Not Logical NameB $     ndir   = f$trnlnm(ndir)                       ! Logical Name $     goto PARSE $! $  CASESYM:r@ $  if ("''&ndir'" .eqs. "")     then goto CASE0     ! Not Symbol< $     ndir = 'ndir'                                 ! Symbol $     goto PARSE $!	 $  CASE0:xA $  len_ndir = f$length(ndir)                        ! Regular Dir 2 $  if (f$location("[", ndir) .lt. len_ndir) .or. -<       (f$location("<", ndir) .lt. len_ndir) then goto SETDIR $!> $  CASE1:                                           ! Home DirB $  if ((ndir .nes. "HOME") .and. (ndir .nes. "\")) then goto CASE2 $     ndir = hdir  $     goto SETDIR- $!? $  CASE2:                                           ! . .. .diro5 $  if (f$location(".", ndir) .nes. 0) then goto CASE3p* $     if (ndir .eqs. "..") then ndir = "-"- $     if (f$extract(0, 2, ndir) .eqs. "..") -i;          then ndir = "-" + f$extract(1, len_ndir - 1, ndir)e $     ndir = "[" + ndir + "]" , $     if (ndir .eqs. "[.]") then ndir = odir $     goto SETDIR  $!7 $  CASE3:                                           ! : ; $  if (f$location(":", ndir) .ge. len_ndir) then goto CASE4 ) $     left    = f$location(":", ndir) + 1-( $     symbol  = f$extract(left, 1, ndir)= $     if (symbol .eqs. ":")  then goto CASE3B       ! :: NodeoF $     if ((symbol .eqs. "[") .or. (symbol .eqs. "<")) then goto SETDIR0 $        ndir = f$extract(0, left, ndir) + "[" ->               + f$extract(left, len_ndir - left+1, ndir) + "]" $     goto SETDIR  $!C $  CASE3B:                                          ! NODE::nothing 3 $  if (f$length(ndir)-1 .gt. left) then goto CASE3C  $     ndir = ndir + "[000000]" $     goto SETDIRd $!E $  CASE3C:                                          ! NODE::directory @ $  if ((f$location("[", ndir) - f$location("<", ndir)) .ne. 0) -       then goto SETDIR $ H $     ndir = f$parse(ndir,,,"NODE") + "[" + f$parse(ndir,,,"NAME") + "]" $     goto SETDIRr $!9 $  CASE4:                                           ! dirp $  ndir = "[" + ndir + "]" $!
 $  SETDIR: $  set default 'ndir' / $  if (f$parse("") .eqs. "") then goto DIRERRORe $! $  DISPLAY:e: $  if ((ndir .nes. "") .and. prompton) then goto NODISPLAY" $     hnode = f$getsyi("NODENAME"); $     cnode = f$parse(f$trnlnm("SYS$DISK"),,,"NODE") - "::"i, $     if (cnode .eqs. "") then cnode = hnode& $     cdir  = f$environment("DEFAULT") $     write sys$output " "5 $     write sys$output "          Home Node: ", hnoded4 $     write sys$output "     Home Directory: ", hdirG $     if (cdir .eqs. hdir) .and. (cnode .eqs. hnode) then goto DISPSKIPB5 $     write sys$output "       Current Node: ", cnodec4 $     write sys$output "  Current Directory: ", cdir $  DISPSKIP: $     write sys$output " " $!
 $  NODISPLAY::" $  ndir = f$environment("DEFAULT")% $  if .not. prompton then goto LINE25  $!0 $  if (f$length(ndir) .ge. 32) then goto TOOLONG $!
 $  SETPROMPT:  $  set prompt = 'ndir'" ". $!
 $  LINE25:4 $!set the status line (line 25) to default directory $ esc[0,7] = 27  $ cr[0,7] = 13 $ lf[0,7] = 10D $ write sys$output "''esc'[2$~''esc'[1$}''cr'''lf'''ndir'''esc'[0$}" $! $  END:X $  exitg $! $  DIRERROR: $  write sys$output " "oD $  write sys$output "          ", ndir, " Directory does not exist!" $  write sys$output " "e $  set default 'odir't $  ndir = odir $  goto NODISPLAYa $!N $! Prompt Problems------------------------------------------------------------ $! $  TOOLONG: K $! Prompt is too long. Get rid of everything to the left of [ or <. If thatnH $! doesn't work, get rid of a subdirectory at a time.  As a last resort, $! set the prompt back to $. $!# $  left     = f$location("[", ndir)o $  len_ndir = f$length(ndir); $  if (left .ge. len_ndir) then left = f$location("<",ndir)f0 $  if (left .gt. 0) .and. (left .lt. len_ndir) -8       then ndir = f$extract(left, len_ndir - left, ndir) $! $  STILLTOOLONG:4 $    if (f$length(ndir) .lt. 32) then goto SETPROMPT) $    left     = f$location(".", ndir) + 1e $    len_ndir = f$length(ndir)+ $    if left .ge. len_ndir then ndir = "$ "- $    if left .ne. len_ndir -A         then ndir = "[*" + f$extract(left, len_ndir - left, ndir)u $    goto STILLTOOLONG $!N $! Wildcard Directory--------------------------------------------------------- $!
 $  DIRSEARCH:n+ $  error_message = f$environment("MESSAGE")o  $  on control_y then goto DIREND  $  on control_c then goto DIREND& $  set message/nosev/nofac/noid/notext $  write sys$output " " 
 $  dispct = 1h
 $  dirct  = 0H $  pauseflag = 1 $! $  DIRLOOP: ! $    userfile = f$search("*.dir")eB $    if (userfile .eqs. "") .and. (dirct .ne. 0) then goto DIRMENU- $    if (userfile .eqs. "") then goto DIRNONEe $    dispct = dispct + 1 $    dirct  = dirct  + 1* $    on severe then $ userprot = "No Priv"1 $    userprot = f$file_attributes(userfile,"PRO")t4 $    if userprot .nes. "No Priv" then userprot = " "> $    userfile'dirct' = "[." + f$parse(userfile,,,"NAME") + "]" $    userprot'dirct' = userprotc5 $    lengthflag = (f$length(userfile'dirct') .gt. 18)o* $    if lengthflag then write sys$output -J         f$fao("  !3SL   !34AS  ", dirct, userfile'dirct'), userprot'dirct'2 $    if (.not. lengthflag) then write sys$output -J         f$fao("  !3SL   !20AS  ", dirct, userfile'dirct'), userprot'dirct') $    if (dispct .lt. 8) then goto DIRLOOPD $    dirct  = dirct  + 1 $    userfile'dirct' = ""s $    dirct  = dirct  + 1 $    userfile'dirct' = ""k# $    if pauseflag then goto DIRMENU  $    dispct = 0v $    goto DIRLOOP8 $! $  DIRMENU:  $  write sys$output " "t, $  if (userfile .eqs. "") then goto DIRMENU24 $     write sys$output "    M   More subdirectories" $  if pauseflag then -= $     write sys$output "    N   More subdirectories/No pause"S $! $  DIRMENU2:: $     write sys$output "    R   Re-Display subdirectories"/ $     write sys$output "    Q   Quit (default)"  $a $  DIRINQUIRE: $  write sys$output " "h# $  inquire dirchoice "  Select One"r $  write sys$output " "  $!# $  if (dirchoice .gt. 0)    .and. -e3       (dirchoice .le. dirct) then goto DIRCASEDIGITe) $  dirchoice = f$edit(dirchoice,"UPCASE") " $  if (dirchoice .eqs. "")  .or. -3       (dirchoice .eqs. "Q")  then goto DIRCASEBLANK-" $  if (dirchoice .eqs. "M") .or. -2       (dirchoice .eqs. "N")  then goto DIRCASEMORE1 $  if (dirchoice .eqs. "R")  then goto DIRCASEREDl $! $  DIRCASERROR:3. $  if (dirct .eq. 1)   then write sys$output -B       "  Select 1 to change to the ", userfile1, " subdirectory. " $  revdirct = dirct 2 $  if (dispct .eq. 8) then revdirct = revdirct - 2. $  if (dirct .gt. 1)   then write sys$output -M       "  Valid subdirectory selections are 1 through ", revdirct, " (Octal)."t $  goto DIRINQUIRE $! $  DIRCASEDIGIT:: $  if (userfile'dirchoice' .eqs. "") then goto DIRCASERROR $  ndir = userfile'dirchoice'  $  goto DIREND $! $  DIRCASEBLANK:1 $  write sys$output "  Subdirectory not changed."  $  write sys$output " "t $  goto DIREND $! $  DIRCASEMORE:n
 $  dispct = 0i. $  if (dirchoice .eqs. "N") then pauseflag = 0- $  if (userfile .nes. "")   then goto DIRLOOP-: $  write sys$output "  No more subdirectories to display." $  goto DIRINQUIRE $! $  DIRCASERED:
 $  dispct = 1: $  DISPLOOP:6 $     if (userfile'dispct' .eqs "") then goto DISPDONT7 $     lengthflag = (f$length(userfile'dispct') .gt. 18)d+ $     if lengthflag then write sys$output -gN          f$fao("  !3SL   !34AS  ", dispct, userfile'dispct'), userprot'dispct'3 $     if (.not. lengthflag) then write sys$output -aN          f$fao("  !3SL   !20AS  ", dispct, userfile'dispct'), userprot'dispct' $     DISPDONT:d $     dispct = dispct + 1s/ $     if (dispct .le. dirct) then goto DISPLOOPt $  goto DIRMENUl $! $  DIRNONE:,N $  write sys$output "No subdirectories to choose, or no directory privileges." $  write sys$output " "l $  goto DIREND $!
 $  DIREND: $  set message 'error_message' $  on control_y then exit  $  on control_c then exitt( $  if (ndir .eqs. "*") then goto DISPLAY
 $  goto PARSE  $!N $!-Help----------------------------------------------------------------------- $! $  HELP: $  type sys$inputR  >                CD.COM  Version 6  VMS Change Directory Command  5                          Usage:  CD command/directoryw  L CD         Display home directory,       CD ..       Change directory to theK            current directory, node.      CD [-]      dir above current dir.t  J CD \       Change directory to your      CD ..sub    Change directory to aM CD HOME    SYS$LOGIN directory.          CD [-.sub]  "sideways" subdirectory.n  G CD dir     Change directory to the       CD *        Display/select theyN CD [dir]   [dir] directory.                          available subdirectories.  M CD .sub    Change directory to the       CD .        Reset current directory.iM CD [.sub]  [.sub] subdirectory.          CD ?        Display CD instructions.-  D      CD :== @SYS$LOGIN:CD.COM                 DEFINE SYS$PROMPT "ON"F      To make CD available from                To have the VMS $ promptL      any directory you change to.             display the current directory.  +                               By The Mentora $  goto END.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:50:00 GMTr" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG" Subject: Re: Shade bars using DCPS0 Message-ID: <00A367AE.E3C7DAB7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <412196D5.1040003@vsm.com.au>, Jeremy Begg <jeremy.notme@vsm.com.au> writes:b >Hi, >kJ >I'm trying to set up an ASCII print job so that the text has alternating + >shade bars when printed to an HP Laserjet.y >rG >Using DCPS with PRINT/PARAM=LIST does the same sort of thing but it's  H >not right for this application -- I don't want the line numbers or fileE >name on each page, and I want the shading to alternate at each line n$ >(rather than in groups of 3 lines). >PG >I presume what I need is a PostScript setup module to do the shading; f% >has anyone done something like this?t >e >Thanks, >n
 >	Jeremy BeggX >	jeremy at VSM dot COM dot AU >iI >(remove the '.notme' from my email address if replying to this message.)0  J You need to define a form Jeremy and have it print in conjunction with the text you want to have printed.   %!PS-Adobe-2.0@ %% Copyright  2004, by Brian Schenkenberger and TMESIS SoftwareG   gsave clippath pathbbox grestore [/URy/URx/LLy/LLx] {exch def} forall A   LLx LLy translate URx LLx sub 612 div URy LLy sub 792 div scale   #   /bh {792 66 div} def  /bw 612 defe   .7 setgray 0 0 moveto j   33 { currentpoint bw 0 rlineto 0 bh rlineto bw neg 0 rlineto closepath fill bh 2 mul add moveto } repeat
   grestore  G Put the above in your DCPS setup library as something like MY_GRAY_BARS    Then you print with:  A $ PRINT/SETUP=MY_GRAY_BARS/QUEUE={your Postscript queue) file.txta     --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.r -- i, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! v -- tK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:16:09 GMT." From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG" Subject: Re: Shade bars using DCPS0 Message-ID: <00A367B2.8AB8B7B4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <00A367AE.E3C7DAB7@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:oX >In article <412196D5.1040003@vsm.com.au>, Jeremy Begg <jeremy.notme@vsm.com.au> writes: >>Hi,, >>K >>I'm trying to set up an ASCII print job so that the text has alternating I, >>shade bars when printed to an HP Laserjet. >>H >>Using DCPS with PRINT/PARAM=LIST does the same sort of thing but it's I >>not right for this application -- I don't want the line numbers or file3F >>name on each page, and I want the shading to alternate at each line % >>(rather than in groups of 3 lines).  >>H >>I presume what I need is a PostScript setup module to do the shading; & >>has anyone done something like this? >>	 >>Thanks,d >> >>	Jeremy Begg >>	jeremy at VSM dot COM dot AU  >>J >>(remove the '.notme' from my email address if replying to this message.) >cK >You need to define a form Jeremy and have it print in conjunction with thes >text you want to have printed.y >  >%!PS-Adobe-2.0 A >%% Copyright  2004, by Brian Schenkenberger and TMESIS SoftwareeH >  gsave clippath pathbbox grestore [/URy/URx/LLy/LLx] {exch def} forallB >  LLx LLy translate URx LLx sub 612 div URy LLy sub 792 div scaleG    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ not!yE Oops...  I lobbed off a gsave in cutting and pasting.  Use this line:r  H    gsave LLx LLy translate URx LLx sub 612 div URy LLy sub 792 div scale   The rest is OK.    >r$ >  /bh {792 66 div} def  /bw 612 def >  .7 setgray 0 0 movetok >  33 { currentpoint bw 0 rlineto 0 bh rlineto bw neg 0 rlineto closepath fill bh 2 mul add moveto } repeats >  grestorei   -- m< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.s -- s, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! o -- rK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:15:27 -0400V- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Shade bars using DCPS, Message-ID: <41223D2D.4B7D2734@teksavvy.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:eI >   gsave clippath pathbbox grestore [/URy/URx/LLy/LLx] {exch def} forallaC >   LLx LLy translate URx LLx sub 612 div URy LLy sub 792 div scalew > % >   /bh {792 66 div} def  /bw 612 def  >   .7 setgray 0 0 movetoml >   33 { currentpoint bw 0 rlineto 0 bh rlineto bw neg 0 rlineto closepath fill bh 2 mul add moveto } repeat >   grestore    C > $ PRINT/SETUP=MY_GRAY_BARS/QUEUE={your Postscript queue) file.txtV  M /SETUP will only act at the top of the job, so the gray bars will only appear6 on first page.  K You may wish to DEFINE/FORM with /PAGE+SETUP=MY_GRAY_BARS instead, and thene use PRINT/FORM=xxx  M Also, you are assuming here a fixed paper size and a font that prints exactlyRE 66 lines per page and will not support landscape moe,  which, for allaM practical purposes, will work, but one needs to be aware of these limitation.n  K You could go one step further and obtain current page size from  the systemoN dictionary, and replace references to 712 and 692 accordingly. And you can getJ the current font't attributes to determine line height.  However, it isn'tJ clear if there is some DCPS variable available to determine if printing in landscape or portrait.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:25:26 GMTu" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG" Subject: Re: Shade bars using DCPS0 Message-ID: <00A367E6.2177D7CE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <41223D2D.4B7D2734@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:J >>   gsave clippath pathbbox grestore [/URy/URx/LLy/LLx] {exch def} forallD >>   LLx LLy translate URx LLx sub 612 div URy LLy sub 792 div scale >>  & >>   /bh {792 66 div} def  /bw 612 def >>   .7 setgray 0 0 movetom >>   33 { currentpoint bw 0 rlineto 0 bh rlineto bw neg 0 rlineto closepath fill bh 2 mul add moveto } repeatm
 >>   grestorep >i >MD >> $ PRINT/SETUP=MY_GRAY_BARS/QUEUE={your Postscript queue) file.txt >tN >/SETUP will only act at the top of the job, so the gray bars will only appear >on first page.e >nL >You may wish to DEFINE/FORM with /PAGE+SETUP=MY_GRAY_BARS instead, and then >use PRINT/FORM=xxx- >-N >Also, you are assuming here a fixed paper size and a font that prints exactlyF >66 lines per page and will not support landscape moe,  which, for allN >practical purposes, will work, but one needs to be aware of these limitation.  L Jeremy didn't mention any specific page size.  However, I met with Jeremy onK many occasions and I'm certain he has the "facilities" to modify this post- @ script to his needs.  If not, I'd bet he'd contact me privately.      L >You could go one step further and obtain current page size from  the systemO >dictionary, and replace references to 712 and 692 accordingly. And you can getwK >the current font't attributes to determine line height.  However, it isn'tuK >clear if there is some DCPS variable available to determine if printing inf >landscape or portrait.a  " You mean like LL(x,y) and UR(x,y)?   Doh!   -- e< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.e --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! a --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMp   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:23:20 +0100i* From: "Don Carlos Abrams" <don@ing.iac.es> Subject: SHOW UCX PROXY % Message-ID: <412222ec@news.ll.iac.es>   L I wonder if anyone could shine any light on the significance of a "?" in theI type column on issuing the command "SHOW UCX PROXY" on a Vax 4000 runningoJ VMS 5.5.  The command always completes although it can be rather slow (>15/ mins) to display the contents of the database :.   $ UCX SHOW PROXY  ; VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name   8 NFS_SUPER         OND             0           0   CRATERA NFS_SUPER         ON?             0           0   DORADO, SERPENS B NFS_SUPER         OND             0           0   GRUS, DRACO, LEOI NFS_SUPER         ON?             0           0   CETUS, LACERTA, LPSS11,aI                                                   CARINA, PICTOR, LPSS12, K                                                   LPSS2, WHTDAS14, WHTDAS15aH NFS_SUPER         OND             0           0   LPSS85, LPSS17, LPSS888 NOBODY            OND            -2          -2   CRATERA NOBODY            ON?            -2          -2   DORADO, SERPENScB NOBODY            OND            -2          -2   GRUS, DRACO, LEOH NOBODY            ON?            -2          -2   CETUS, LPSS11, CARINA,H                                                   PICTOR, LPSS12, LPSS2,D                                                   WHTDAS14, WHTDAS15H NOBODY            OND            -2          -2   LPSS85, LPSS17, LPSS889 NOBODY            ON?            -2          -2   LACERTAeI OBSERVER          ON?          7008        7000   CRATER, DORADO, SERPENS B OBSERVER          OND          7008        7000   GRUS, DRACO, LEOH OBSERVER          ON?          7008        7000   CETUS, LPSS11, CARINA,H                                                   PICTOR, LPSS12, LPSS2,D                                                   WHTDAS14, WHTDAS15@ OBSERVER          OND          7008        7000   LPSS85, LPSS17A OBSERVER          ON?          7008        7000   LACERTA, LPSS88  $    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 00:25:18 -07001 From: dugaldpeacock@yahoo.com.au (Dugald Peacock)44 Subject: Re: TCP Server  SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM on restart= Message-ID: <df7a3cf2.0408162325.50c380c8@posting.google.com>c   Hi Valentin,  E Yes that was the problem.  Yes when you look at the examples they all  do it that way as well.    Thanks so much.    Dugald   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 09:25:50 -0700) From: baby_p_nut2@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)M: Subject: Re: [OT]: Sun on Track with Solaris-on-Power Plan= Message-ID: <96d83290.0408170650.5222f715@posting.google.com>n  W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<7_adnRpktPjaToHcRVn-qg@igs.net>...lN > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=1208&e=10&u=/zd/20 > 040812/tc_zd/133330  >  > ) > Sun on Track with Solaris-on-Power Plans >  > Thu Aug 12, 5:45 AM ET > Jeffrey Burt - eWEEK  % Meanwhile HP's stupid UNIX does this:y    # ln -s /usr/local/bin/bash /bin ln: /bin existsn  I Why?  Because /bin is a symlink to /usr/bin and the official syntax says:d  8       ln [-f] [-i] [-s] file1 [file2 ...] dest_directory  R and the super-geniuses at HP know that symlinks to directories aren't directories.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.455 ************************