1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 18 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 456       Contents:: 450  %TCPIP-E-SMTP_NOSUCHUSER, no such user, <domain.name> Re: Alpha Commitment Tour  Re: DECserver TCPIP setup ? Re: Does SHE know about VMS??  not according to this article :( ? Re: Does SHE know about VMS??  not according to this article :(  Re: Files-11 Structure Re: HP Away  Re: HP Away  Re: HP Away  Re: HP Away  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP.... ' Re: output of simultaneous subprocesses ' Re: output of simultaneous subprocesses  Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:26:27 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.orgC Subject: 450  %TCPIP-E-SMTP_NOSUCHUSER, no such user, <domain.name> ) Message-ID: <04081716262725@antinode.org>   F    From time to time lately, I've noticed some attempts to send e-mail9 failing with a confusing notification message, like this:   & From:   SMTP%"TCPIP$SMTP@antinode.org" [...]  Subj:   Returned mail  [...] ' ---- Transcript of session follows ----   8 450  %TCPIP-E-SMTP_NOSUCHUSER, no such user, domain.name    ---- Unsent message follows ---- [...]     E where "domain.name" is only the domain part of the address to which I 1 tried to send the message, not the whole address.   F    It's fairly common to get such notifications with the whole addressH of the intended recipient (like "user@domain.name"), but it appears thatH in some situations, this different (and to me confusing) sort of message
 is generated.   E    Does anyone know if this is a problem with TCPIP SMTP or the other , end, or what?  I run the usual hobbyist kit:  ?   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 2 4   on a AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.3-1  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:37:47 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha Commitment Tour3 Message-ID: <4122507B.9B951F81@applied-synergy.com>    Paul Sture wrote:  >  > Chris Scheers wrote:F > > I just received an email from HP advertising the "Alpha Commitment
 > > Tour". > >  > > The first bullet point is: > > < > >  Discover the exciting future of HP AlphaServer systems > >  > > !?!?!?!?!? > >  >  > The postmark is dated?  * 	http://www.hp.com/large/events/2004/ev7z/    G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:13:53 +0800 @ From: Tim Sneddon <first-initiallastname@bsddotinfomedia.com.au>" Subject: Re: DECserver TCPIP setup* Message-ID: <2ofla1Faa2h7U1@uni-berlin.de>   Tappy wrote:	 > Hi All, F > I'm unable to remove a previous IP address and internet setup from aA > 900M DECserver. I have tried a physical reset as well as ">init G > factory delay 0". Everything gets wiped out but the internet setup. I H > have tried clear and purge commands as well. Any help would be greatly > appreciated.  C I have only had experience with DECserver 90TL and 90M. However, it B might be the same. If I was going to change the IP settings I'd do the following:       > SET PRIVILEGED
     Password> *     > DEFINE INTERNET MASK xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx-     > DEFINE INTERNET ADDRESS xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -     > DEFINE INTERNET GATEWAY xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx   A After this I would then reboot the DECserver (just a simple power ? cycle) and it should come up with the new address. I don't know A about using the CLEAR or PURGE commands on IP settings. I do know B that where there is xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx above (to signify the address) you can enter NONE.   < The thing to remeber is that when changing any IP settings a@ reboot is required for them to take effect. The only exception I? have seen to this is if the DECserver has no IP settings at all A (ie. has been rebooted with the factory reset button pressed in).    Hope this helps.  
 Regards, Tim.    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Aug 2004 18:10:45 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)H Subject: Re: Does SHE know about VMS??  not according to this article :(* Message-ID: <2of015F9eussU1@uni-berlin.de>  " In article <6238321@mvb.saic.com>,2 	"Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@comcast.net> writes:N > http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/story/0,10801,95312,00. > html?nas=AM-95312  >   0 Did anyone else find this as hilarious as I did?  ( Let's just take one small piece.........  G >>    So, what do you think of Sun's effort to promote Solaris on x86?  F >>          They're pretty late to the game in terms of the offering.   J    I thought we just went over this one?  Sun 386i running SunOS in 1988. C    Solaris 2.0 in 1992.  If Sun is "pretty late in the game" of x86 F    offerings what is HP?  Other than MS what exactly does HP offer for.    the x86?  Linux, I suppose, but since when?  H >>          Customers look to what executives say over the long term andF >>          don't always take it well when you change your strategy or >>          your tune.    !    You mean like on 25 June 2001?   @ >>                      They waited very late to make that step.      Yawn....  See above.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:19:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: Does SHE know about VMS??  not according to this article :(, Message-ID: <41225A37.9249836B@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > Did anyone else find this as hilarious as I did? > * > Let's just take one small piece......... > H > >>    So, what do you think of Sun's effort to promote Solaris on x86?G > >>          They're pretty late to the game in terms of the offering.   . You have to look at the rest of the paragraph:   ##  They're pretty late to 5  the game in terms of the offering. Customers look to 1  what executives say over the long term and don't 5  always take it well when you change your strategy or 5  your tune. They waited very late to make that step.   ##    F I guess HP knows how the change in Alpha strategy backfired on Compaq.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:54:31 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Files-11 Structure 0 Message-ID: <87acwtna3s.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  3 "Stewart L. Domeier" <sld@u.washington.edu> writes:   C > How can I tell if a disk volume is a "Files-11 Structure Level 2" E > volume?  I've tried SHOW DEVICE/FULL and ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE but D > neither mentioned it. I think that's what I have, but I don't knowD > why I think that. A lot of OpenVMS documentation says that certainC > commands or qualifiers (example: BACKUP/RECORD...) only work with E > "Files-11 Structure Level 2" volumes for example. So I'm wanting to  > try to confirm what I have.   H SHO DEV/FULL does, at the bottom you see ODS-2. It is not in the tabular3 info. Using the XQP is also a give away for ODS-2/5    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 16:31:15 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: HP Away= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0408171531.1e3827bd@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cftc6o$7hm$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > C > Full AMD64 support arrives in Solaris 10 which itself has a whole E > load of tempting goodies designed to lure the wavering HP-UX, Tru64 > > customer away such as ZFS, Dtrace and Zones plus a lot more. > A > Su is also doing an 8 way Opteron box though this isn't out yet > > and when AMD goes dual core this will in effect double, that3 > eats a long way into HP's current installed base.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison  > E > > Sun, of course, started this HP Away program to attract Alpha and G > > PA-RISC customers that are being forced to move onto Intel's 64-bit D > > Itanium processor, as HP pulls out of the processor-making game.
 > > (...)"  < unfortunately, there are no secure, clustered solutions like6 OpenVMS on these boxes, which makes them worthless ...   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 16:32:54 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: HP Away= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0408171532.3d180428@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cftc6o$7hm$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...   = remember, a box is only as good as the os that runs on it ... / OpenVMS complimented alpha and soon itanium ... > neither IBM or sun has any os to compliment their hardware ...   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 16:33:02 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: HP Away= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0408171533.50208131@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cftc6o$7hm$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...   = remember, a box is only as good as the os that runs on it ... / OpenVMS complimented alpha and soon itanium ... > neither IBM or sun has any os to compliment their hardware ...   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 16:33:08 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: HP Away; Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0408171533.6c9c73@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cftc6o$7hm$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...   = remember, a box is only as good as the os that runs on it ... / OpenVMS complimented alpha and soon itanium ... > neither IBM or sun has any os to compliment their hardware ...   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 11:28:03 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0408171028.4d952924@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICELLDKAA.tom@kednos.com>... > < J > < And all of this only supplies additional ammunition for Sun and IBM toN > < encourage VMS customers to switch - "Hey, if you are going to be forced toL > < switch operating systems, you may as well switch to a company that cares$ > < about having your business too." > F > I only just yesterday spoke with someone very close who is in senior > managment N > at one of the largest financial firms in the world, and they have a plethora > ofM > systems, Suns, Tru64+sybase, OpenVMS  and for their new procurement he told  > meJ > that the criteria were in HP's favor over Sun and IBM, but in the end it
 > appearedH > it was going to IBM.  I extolled the virtues of VMS,  but Sybase was a
 > problem and K > he couldn't sell VMS to management and the future with Itanium looked far  > too risky. > . > BTW, why is Sybase not supported on OpenVMS?  A why aren't these people on OpenVMS and RDB?  They are a financial < institution, don't they want to up 24x7 and have the best in security and clustering?   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 11:23:41 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0408171023.4a3a3fbe@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICELLDKAA.tom@kednos.com>... > F > I only just yesterday spoke with someone very close who is in senior > managment N > at one of the largest financial firms in the world, and they have a plethora > ofM > systems, Suns, Tru64+sybase, OpenVMS  and for their new procurement he told  > meJ > that the criteria were in HP's favor over Sun and IBM, but in the end it
 > appearedH > it was going to IBM.  I extolled the virtues of VMS,  but Sybase was a
 > problem and K > he couldn't sell VMS to management and the future with Itanium looked far  > too risky. > . > BTW, why is Sybase not supported on OpenVMS?  ? because someone paid them off not to, or they are too stupid to A want business ... as far as IBM, why would anyone want to go with ? a company that has lousy os's and needs to try to promote linux > as the next best thing since the toaster to cover up their own3 shortcomings ... lot of stupidity in this world ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:58:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <4122553A.A6DCAED6@teksavvy.com>   David Froble wrote: O > of the principal activities of most companies?  Attracting customers.  What's K > better than having to go out and attract customers?  Already having them.   ? Yes. It is called cost of retention versus cost of acquisition.   G However, in a wintel mentality, computers are commodity items where the L concepts of cost of acquisition and retention don't apply since each sale is% done as if it were to a new customer.   J Consider mobile phone companies who spend between $200 and $400 to acquireI each new customer. (advertising, phone subsidies etc). They do this to be F competitive, and they know/hope that they will recuperate the costs ofJ acquisition through monthly bills hopefully before the subscriber moves toM another network who makes a sweeter offer to acquire him compared to what the ) existing network is making to retain him.   L The mobile phone networks (especially in the USA where number portability isM being implemented) will have to learn to work harder to retain customers, and M they know very well that it costs less to retain a customer than to get a new K one. But competition will force higher retention costs (eg: newer phones to 8 existing subscribers instead of just to new subscribers)  H The main difference is that mobile networks offer one product. HP offersM competing products (Tandem, HP-UX, wintel, VMS, Tru64 etc).  Consider that if L HP were to kill VMS, its accountants would come up with a figure of how muchM HP would save in engineering, staff etc costs. Marketing would come up with a J customer retention estimate (those who could be swayed to move to HP-UX orM wintel), and how much it would cost to "retain" those customers. (Think Alpha J RetainTrust programme where key customers were  certain promises were madeH with regards to applying value of Alpha systems towards purchase of IA64$ systems when they become available).  G Carly then decides if it is good business to kill VMS based on how many N customers they retain, how much they would save, and how much this whole thingL would cost. Remember that with a smaller playing field, a certain percentageJ of VMS customers would essentiually be forced to stay with HP because they( already have HP-UX systems in place etc.  N When you look at the really "important" VMS shops, my guess is that they wouldK go with IBM at this point in time. They will want a very stable IT supplier K they can trust. However, even with IBM, there are questions with regards to  AIX's future vs Linux.  N And in that sense, both Solaris and HP-UX seem to be on more solid ground than! AIX due to larger installed base.   D So, of the 3 remaining major players, each has lots of uncertaintiesF associated with their product offerings. But IBM is the only one whoseL hardware platform is not in question. HP's reliance on IA64 is a large risk.J And There are continued question's about Sun's possible shift to the 8086.  J One thing is certain however, Sun seems to be far more business like if itF really does have a long term strategy to go to 8086. It isn't about to* prematurely kill Sparc just to please AMD.  M And this is the problem with HP: it has an image where pleasing its suppliers N is more important than pleasing customers. It has an image of being a slave toJ Microsoft and Intel, whereas IBM and Sun seem far more independant and not$ affraid to make their own decisions.  O > They'd never admit that VMS is making money.  They'd rather go tits up first.   D Lets say your business isn't doing too well, but you are a part timeN prostitute and that brings in enough money to keep your business afloat. UntilL your business is healthy again, you will have to continue to be a prostituteL and while you won't readily admit where your revenus come from, you will tryM to bundle those revenus in with the rest of the business to make the business  look better.  I It is very important for Carly to look good. And while she may ignore VMS M publicly because she doesn't want to be associated with an old  legacy OS and K prefers to be seen as a leading <trendy word of the week> vendor, she knows I that she needs the revenus from those old legacy systems to subsidize her ' follies into <this week's trendy word>.   K HOWEVER, the minute VMS stops generating sufficient profits to overcome its I negative standing within HP, I'd say VMS is toast. HP has done nothing to I convince me that VMS is NOT an unwanted child, the result of a 4some (HP,  Tandem, Digital, Compaq).   N Also, right now, VMS is being kept alive duie to whatever deal had been signedK with Intel to fund the porting of vMS to IA64. And because IA64 isn't doing L too well, HP will need every sale of IA64 it can garner. So at this point in1 time, it isn't in HP's best interest to kill VMS.   L However, if/when IA64 is officially made mature (hence no longer a politicalI need to attempt to boost IA64 sales), or if IA64 starts to succeed and no J longer needs artificial push to make it look not so pathetic, then HP will( have one fewer reason to keep VMS alive.  _ > I think the end is near for Carly.  I just wonder whether her golden parachute will wreck HP.   K It isn't the golden parachute that is the problem. The question is how much N damage Carly will be allowed to do to HP before she is ousted. Look at Palmer.N He was allowed to do a hell of a lot of damage, eseentially sabotaging DigitalG on purpose because he prefered to sell it in bits and pieces instead of L admitting he was incompetent. (In contrast, look at what Gerstner did to IBM in the same period).   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 15:41:47 -07001 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) 0 Subject: Re: output of simultaneous subprocesses= Message-ID: <477e0934.0408171441.27f629f5@posting.google.com>   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<dZRpGl+A3sNY@eisner.encompasserve.org>...9 > > One last tidbit of information that might be helpful:  > > F > > If the second subprocess runs under the same username as the firstH > > subprocess, both subprocess's output appear in the parent's log fileI > > (regardless of the username the parent process is running under).  If A > > the second subprocess has a different username than the first D > > subprocess, again, regardless of the username of the parent, the > > output is lost.  >  > Username, or UIC ? >   E If the second subprocess has a different username, even if it has the D same UIC code, the output is lost.  If the second subprocess has theD same username and UIC code, the output appears in the log file.  Whe= run interactively, all output goes correctly to the terminal.   D I suspect the first subprocess to write to the file via cout back toE the parent somehow is marking the channel as owned by that username.  F For some reason, the parent can continue to write to the log file, butD when another subprocess of a different username attempts to write toB the log file (via stdout to the parent), access is denied.  Again, this is just a suspicion.    So, any ideas?   josh   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2004 15:42:36 -07001 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) 0 Subject: Re: output of simultaneous subprocesses= Message-ID: <477e0934.0408171442.26ae61b9@posting.google.com>   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<dZRpGl+A3sNY@eisner.encompasserve.org>...9 > > One last tidbit of information that might be helpful:  > > F > > If the second subprocess runs under the same username as the firstH > > subprocess, both subprocess's output appear in the parent's log fileI > > (regardless of the username the parent process is running under).  If A > > the second subprocess has a different username than the first D > > subprocess, again, regardless of the username of the parent, the > > output is lost.  >  > Username, or UIC ? >   E If the second subprocess has a different username, even if it has the D same UIC code, the output is lost.  If the second subprocess has theD same username and UIC code, the output appears in the log file.  Whe= run interactively, all output goes correctly to the terminal.   D I suspect the first subprocess to write to the file via cout back toE the parent somehow is marking the channel as owned by that username.  F For some reason, the parent can continue to write to the log file, butD when another subprocess of a different username attempts to write toB the log file (via stdout to the parent), access is denied.  Again, this is just a suspicion.    So, any ideas?   josh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:42:20 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>' Subject: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's 2 Message-ID: <cftn3d$toe$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  P Today I got a small HP bulletin, and there it was announced that the EV7 is now Q running at 1,3 GHz in the GS1280. The ES47 and ES80 now can get the 1,15 GHz RV7  P (was 1,0 GHz) Maybe we should start a overclocker Alpha forum, and see how fast ! these things actually can run :-)    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.456 ************************