1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 18 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 457       Contents:& add new proxy without restart of TCPIP Re: HP Away  Re: HP Away  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP.... " Re: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's" RE: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2004 03:01:25 -0700. From: norbert.hanowski@dillinger.biz (Norbert)/ Subject: add new proxy without restart of TCPIP = Message-ID: <77ba41db.0408180201.2e44ddfb@posting.google.com>    Hi, @ i add a new proxy in TCPIP for a new NFS-mount. The "show proxy"E command shows the user-typ "ON" and it does not work. After a restart ; of TCPIP it shows "OND" for the new user and it works fine. ? But I can not restart TCPIP because of the other working users. F Is there any way to activate the new proxy without a restart of TCPIP?     bYe          Norbert   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2004 04:26:27 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: HP Away= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0408180326.4e30f681@posting.google.com>   m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0408171532.3d180428@posting.google.com>...  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cftc6o$7hm$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > ? > remember, a box is only as good as the os that runs on it ... 1 > OpenVMS complimented alpha and soon itanium ... @ > neither IBM or sun has any os to compliment their hardware ...  6 I think Andrew knows that OpenVMS is a good product ! 3 He is not in this news group wasting his time ! ;-) 5 But OVMS still expensive ! I think a good way to sell 9 OpenVMS systems (Itanium) is delivery it as an appliance  ; product - not exclusevily of course. For Telecom operators, < Financial, etc ... Put a lot of Oracle, BEA, Attunity inside3 and sell the system(s) like a kit to power-and-run. : Like the NetApp OS.  May be with the Itanium Blades we can have a good surprise !       Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:09:23 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: HP Away, Message-ID: <41237123.2030306@tsoft-inc.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:    > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cftc6o$7hm$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > C >>Full AMD64 support arrives in Solaris 10 which itself has a whole E >>load of tempting goodies designed to lure the wavering HP-UX, Tru64 > >>customer away such as ZFS, Dtrace and Zones plus a lot more. >>A >>Su is also doing an 8 way Opteron box though this isn't out yet > >>and when AMD goes dual core this will in effect double, that3 >>eats a long way into HP's current installed base.  >>	 >>Regards  >>Andrew Harrison  >> >>D >>>Sun, of course, started this HP Away program to attract Alpha andF >>>PA-RISC customers that are being forced to move onto Intel's 64-bitC >>>Itanium processor, as HP pulls out of the processor-making game. 	 >>>(...)"  >>>  > > > unfortunately, there are no secure, clustered solutions like8 > OpenVMS on these boxes, which makes them worthless ... >   O Well, if you're already on a 'boob defined' unsecure, non-clustered, worthless  O environment, you won't be losing anything, and you'll avoid the itanic and the  3 boobs that have tried to force it down your throat.   N You'll also be with a company that appears (however forced) to offer multiple H solutions and doesn't adhear to the "You'll go where we want you to go" P principal.  Also a company that cared enough about you as a customer to attempt O to obtain you as a customer.  Not a company that calculates how many customers  : they will lose when they make their next arbitrary change.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:12:05 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....* Message-ID: <2oghapFan4jsU1@uni-berlin.de>   David Froble wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >> David Froble wrote: >>J >>> Killing Alpha was guaranteed to produce very angry customers, some of 
 >>> who would J >>> go away for good.  They didn't care, guessed what percentage would do  >>> so, and  >>> gladly wrote them off. >> >>L >> But Carly had the easy way of killing Alpha: get Curly to do the deed. IfL >> Carly has to kill VMS, she'll have to do the dirty job herself and it mayE >> increase her hairdressing costs when all the sht is thrown at her.  >  >  > F > If what some believe is true, that Carly was calling the shots well @ > before the merger, then she was part of blowing off all those C > customers.  Now, what is one of the principal activities of most  I > companies?  Attracting customers.  What's better than having to go out  D > and attract customers?  Already having them. Forget blame.  Think = > instead of why anyone would make such a poor business move.  >   I To me, HP has become too consumer oriented. That's fine for the consumer  @ division where a pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap policy can be I effective. In that area you can afford to lose a percentage of customers  ? short term, and then attract them later back with keen pricing.   H Corporate customers OTOH are not driven by price alone, which of course H is where the real profit can be. In fact, sometimes, if something isn't E expensive enough, they might see it as a shoddy product or think the   supplier won't last.   --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:53:59 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <41236D87.2080600@tsoft-inc.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:   f > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICELLDKAA.tom@kednos.com>... > F >>I only just yesterday spoke with someone very close who is in senior >>managment N >>at one of the largest financial firms in the world, and they have a plethora >>ofM >>systems, Suns, Tru64+sybase, OpenVMS  and for their new procurement he told  >>meJ >>that the criteria were in HP's favor over Sun and IBM, but in the end it
 >>appearedH >>it was going to IBM.  I extolled the virtues of VMS,  but Sybase was a
 >>problem and K >>he couldn't sell VMS to management and the future with Itanium looked far  >>too risky. >>. >>BTW, why is Sybase not supported on OpenVMS? >> > A > because someone paid them off not to, or they are too stupid to C > want business ... as far as IBM, why would anyone want to go with A > a company that has lousy os's and needs to try to promote linux @ > as the next best thing since the toaster to cover up their own5 > shortcomings ... lot of stupidity in this world ...  >    As has just been proven.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:08:18 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>+ Subject: Re: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's * Message-ID: <2ogkk7Fa62vrU1@uni-berlin.de>   Dirk Munk wrote:K > Today I got a small HP bulletin, and there it was announced that the EV7  I > is now running at 1,3 GHz in the GS1280. The ES47 and ES80 now can get  K > the 1,15 GHz RV7 (was 1,0 GHz) Maybe we should start a overclocker Alpha  ; > forum, and see how fast these things actually can run :-)   B  From the notes I took at our local VMS Update Day on 18-May-2001:   "2nd July - 1GHz Alpha"   A Oh, and "Microsoft have 10,000 servers. 120 operators per shift!"    --  
 Paul Sture  > It's Patently Obvious http://www.sture.homeip.net/patents.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:31:33 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: RE: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEMKDKAA.tom@kednos.com>   ? You might want to order some Peltier elements first:-)  For the = EV7 to be competitive with the Power 5 it would probably have  to clock at 2.5Ghz today.    < -----Original Message-----3 < From: Paul Sture [mailto:nospam@sture.homeip.net] * < Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:08 AM < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - < Subject: Re: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's  <  <  < Dirk Munk wrote:@ < > Today I got a small HP bulletin, and there it was announced  < that the EV7  K < > is now running at 1,3 GHz in the GS1280. The ES47 and ES80 now can get  ; < > the 1,15 GHz RV7 (was 1,0 GHz) Maybe we should start a   < overclocker Alpha = < > forum, and see how fast these things actually can run :-)  < D <  From the notes I took at our local VMS Update Day on 18-May-2001: <  < "2nd July - 1GHz Alpha"  < C < Oh, and "Microsoft have 10,000 servers. 120 operators per shift!"  <  < --   < Paul Sture < @ < It's Patently Obvious http://www.sture.homeip.net/patents.html <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A < Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004  <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.457 ************************