1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 19 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 458       Contents: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP.... ( Re: Looking for DBL/Synergex programmers Multia questionsD Re: Open source version of VMS, was: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP.... OT:  Pinging Doc Cypher-H Re: PCSI update of software on a different disk than it was installed on& Problems w/ WRITERCHECK on QIOW() Call* Re: Problems w/ WRITERCHECK on QIOW() Call Re: Re, Re : set prompt " Re: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's" Re: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's" Re: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Known Problems with last ECOs ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2004 15:03:51 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0408181328.33b16b40@posting.google.com>   q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<cg04ls$6c7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > 5 > ... as far as IBM, why would anyone want to go with C > > a company that has lousy os's and needs to try to promote linux B > > as the next best thing since the toaster to cover up their own7 > > shortcomings ... lot of stupidity in this world ...  > I > AIX is actually a pretty competent UNIX, ZOS is also a pretty competent J > OS and there is nothing lousy about either of them but then I doubt very, > much it you have any experience of either. > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison   : they ARE lousy and they are convuluted just like all other: unix/linux ... the VMS creators were aware of unix and all= of its shortcomings when they designed VMS and thankfully so!    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2004 15:03:52 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0408181328.2ebf5b47@posting.google.com>   q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<cg04ls$6c7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > 5 > ... as far as IBM, why would anyone want to go with C > > a company that has lousy os's and needs to try to promote linux B > > as the next best thing since the toaster to cover up their own7 > > shortcomings ... lot of stupidity in this world ...  > I > AIX is actually a pretty competent UNIX, ZOS is also a pretty competent J > OS and there is nothing lousy about either of them but then I doubt very, > much it you have any experience of either. > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison   : they ARE lousy and they are convuluted just like all other: unix/linux ... the VMS creators were aware of unix and all= of its shortcomings when they designed VMS and thankfully so!    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2004 15:04:03 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0408181328.60cb1136@posting.google.com>   q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<cg04ls$6c7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > 5 > ... as far as IBM, why would anyone want to go with C > > a company that has lousy os's and needs to try to promote linux B > > as the next best thing since the toaster to cover up their own7 > > shortcomings ... lot of stupidity in this world ...  > I > AIX is actually a pretty competent UNIX, ZOS is also a pretty competent J > OS and there is nothing lousy about either of them but then I doubt very, > much it you have any experience of either. > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison   : they ARE lousy and they are convuluted just like all other: unix/linux ... the VMS creators were aware of unix and all= of its shortcomings when they designed VMS and thankfully so!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:35:40 -0400 " From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com>1 Subject: Re: Looking for DBL/Synergex programmers - Message-ID: <cg07gj$9db@library1.airnews.net>   > So how come I do not have an e-mail from you?  kuff@tessco.com      5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0408160452.1e40a7c7@posting.google.com... . > Hal Kuff <kuff@comcast.net> wrote in message8 news:<kuff-AB1B34.21544415082004@library.airnews.net>...L > > If you have DBL/Synergex experience or know of someone that does, please% > > respond to kuff at tessco dot com 1 > > Located in baltimore maryland and reno nevada  > = > I have over 19 years of dibol and over 9 of synergy dbl ...  > I am the best! :)    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:28:28 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Multia questions . Message-ID: <cg0vns$hea$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  H I'm considering buying a Multia to use as a satellite node in a hobbyist# cluster, and I have some questions.   L 1.  Will Multia boot VMS using MOP over ethernet?  I saw a Multia FAQ sayingI MOP could be used for loading firmware upgrades so I would guess yes, but ! maybe somebody here has tried it.   A 2.  Does the MMOV audio software work on the Multia audio device?   L 3.  What's the latest version of VMS anybody has successfully run on Multia?  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2004 13:45:08 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) M Subject: Re: Open source version of VMS, was: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP.... - Message-ID: <XogpDc32Ynn7@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>   4 In article <1iiZXWf6ZbCA@eisner.encompasserve.org>, G    clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:  > L > [1] As I understand it, and I am not a lawyer so I would really appreciateM > a correction if I am wrong, an implementation of an interface (like RMS) is N > protected by copyright, but copyright cannot be used to stop someone writing: > a different implementation that uses the same interface. > O > That protection would be offered by trade secret status or patents neither of 8 > which I have ever heard applied to something like RMS.  O    That's probably true at the interface level. There could conceivably be some S patents related to RMS internals though ( eg the way it does data/key compression ) A [not that I'm aware of any, but such things could be patentable ]   U    What about some of the protocols VMS uses, such as LAT or MSCP? There were patents K around those back in the 80's - I don't know if they've all expired or not.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2004 12:13:17 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)! Subject: OT:  Pinging Doc Cypher- = Message-ID: <bf98c417.0408181113.64d3aed8@posting.google.com>    Sorry for the intrusion, folks.   ) Doc, contact me at the gov email address:   0 all other addresses I have for you are bouncing.  5 I need to find out what's up at the Deathrow cluster.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:40:08 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")Q Subject: Re: PCSI update of software on a different disk than it was installed on 6 Message-ID: <00A368B9.B8B4FF8A@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  Q In article <sq47i0hmk76i0140dmoubfpumbriss4k5n@4ax.com>, JBloggs@acme.com writes: A >On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:09:23 GMT, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU / >("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote: J >>I used to have my CSWS tree installed on a $web "pseudo-disk"; a rooted M >>logical on another disk.  (So $WEB was actually DKA2:[WEB.]).  At Christmas O >>I moved all that stuff to a volume of its own, so $WEB is now $9$DKA103., and , >>that's the volume with APACHE$COMMON, etc. >>+ >>Now I come to update PHP to 1.2 from 1.1.  >>) >>PCSI wants to install it in DKA2:[WEB.]  >>N >>which of course doesn't work.  It also can't uninstall it, because that tree >>doesn't exist anymore.  B >It looks to me as though, PRODUCT is looking at the volume-label C >of the destination device, and translating the associated logical, 3 >and saving that in the *.PCSI$DATABASE file.        > F >In my experience with (very simple) .pcsi KITS is that PRODUCT REMOVEC >needs to 'see' the (destination) device originally recorded in the  >respective *.PCSI$DATABASE,  B >but the dir-tree need not be actually populated (or even exist).  > 7 >The device can be faked out with a /job/exec logical,  9 >but afaict, it must point to a existing, mounted device. . >                                             < >Yet, I'd wager there could be rather more to it than that.  > 8 >particularly, if there is a command proc specified for 6 >'execute ..remove" phase in the original .pcsi$desc.  > 8 >Could perhaps experiment w/ small .PCSI kits to verify  >your understanding.   >  >$ create/log ALPHA.COM;   >$ create/log BRAVO.COM;   >$ create/log CHARLIE.COM;   >$ create/log DELTA.COM;   >$! ! >$ create/log []ALANW.PCSI$DESC;  , >product SLAC AXPVMS ALANW V02.03-001 full;  >file [THIS]ALPHA.COM ;  >file [THAT]BRAVO.COM ; 	 >execute  1 > install "@PCSI$DESTINATION:[THIS]CHARLIE.COM  " = > remove  "@PCSI$DESTINATION:[THAT]DELTA.COM    " interactive  > ;  >end product ;   >$!  >$ product package ALANW - >/SOURCE=[]ALANW.PCSI$DESC -   >/destination=[] - >/material=[] -  >/format=sequential  >$! @ >$! should have a SLAC-AXPVMS-ALANW-V0203-1-1.PCSI in curr. dir  >$! 3 >$! try various /DESTINATIONS, for PRODUCT INSTALL; @ >$! look at SYS$SYSYSTEM:SLAC-AXPVMS-ALANW-V0203-1.PCSI$DATABASE4 >$! and see how the destination dev/dir is recorded. >$!  >  > 8 >A missing execute...remove .COM looks approx, like so:  >... >... >Portion done: 0% F >%DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening LOG3DISK:[WEB.][THAT]DELTA.COM; as input  >-RMS-E-DNF, directory not found# >...60%M-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file  > E >%PCSI-E-EXERMVFAIL, product supplied EXECUTE REMOVE procedure failed   >-RMS-E-DNF, directory not found# >%PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failed G >Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate?[YES]NO  >Portion done: 70%...80%...100%  > ( >The following product has been removed:> >    SLAC AXPVMS ALANW V2.3-1                  Layered ProductD >%PCSIUI-I-COMPWERR, operation completed after explicit continuation >from errors >$  H And what I ended up doing was simply installing it anew on the new disk,N ignored the recommendation to terminate.  This seems to have worked this time,< although of course I have to manually delete the old images.   -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:58:56 -0400 % From: Sarah Page <sarah.page@sas.com> / Subject: Problems w/ WRITERCHECK on QIOW() Call 8 Message-ID: <e0i4i0tngcd7r38shf6u6geavs2uhn13sn@4ax.com>  C I am attempting to use the WRITERCHECK function modifier on a QIO() E READ call to determine when there are no more write channels assigned 5 to a mailbox.  It isn't working and I'm not sure why.   	 Scenario:   E Process A, running program 1, creates a write-only mailbox and gets a C channel to it (at this point, refcount = 1 on a show device/full on  said mailbox).  F Process A  / Program 1 calls SYS$CREPRC() with that mailbox designatedF as the SYSIN arg., executing loginout.exe to set up DCL as the CLI for" the detached process is requested.  E Process B, a detached process, is created (at this point, refcount is B now 2 -- presumably process B got a READ-ONLY channel to its SYSIN+ mailbox?  But I'm not so sure, read on...).   D Process A / Program 1 sends a command to Process B through the SYSINC mailbox, using SYS$QIO() with the IO$M_NOW function modifier (after > this QIO() call, the refcount becomes 3 - presumably process BC assigned another channel to the mailbox as a side effect - not sure  why. ? )  @ Process B receives the command sent by process A / program 1 and initiates program 2.  E Process B / Program 2 assigns a READONLY channel to the SYSIN mailbox > via a call to SYS$ASSIGN() (at this point, refcount is now 4).  E Process B / Program 2 calls SYS$QIOW() with the READ function and the E WRITERCHECK function modifier, waiting for data in the SYSIN mailbox, - or to be told that there are no more writers.   F Process A / Program 1 is interrupted and execution is halted (refcount
 now 3 again).   E Program 2 is sitting in the QIOW() call, still waiting for input over E that SYSIN channel.  The QIOW() call doesn't return with SS$_NOWRITER ! like I expect.  Refcount still 3.   D I even set up the mailbox on creation, using the promsk arg, so thatF NOONE has write access to it.  A show device/full shows that noone has write permission.   C What's wrong here?  Who's go the mystery write channel(s) assigned?    Thanks!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:31:00 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: Problems w/ WRITERCHECK on QIOW() Call , Message-ID: <41226AF5.720E47A3@teksavvy.com>   Sarah Page wrote: H > Process A  / Program 1 calls SYS$CREPRC() with that mailbox designatedH > as the SYSIN arg., executing loginout.exe to set up DCL as the CLI for$ > the detached process is requested.  E > What's wrong here?  Who's go the mystery write channel(s) assigned?     N Do you specify an output for that Process 2 ? Could it be that if no output isJ specified, it defaults to writing to the same device as the input device ?+ (which would explain your phantom channel).    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2004 21:01:06 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: Re, Re : set prompt= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0408181828.7a95deaa@posting.google.com>   X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A368AD.895B28AD@SendSpamHere.ORG>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0408180856.29328185@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:y > >koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<bOAm7GU1UAHY@eisner.encompasserve.org>... \ > >> In article <4120D4FD.1060503@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: [...] . > >> > Might then give you a prompt string of: > >> >   > >> > 1$1AccountingUsersDisk:[UserDirectory.AccountingUsers.JoshaAlexanderWellington.AccountsPayable.SpecialAccounts.ReallyBadWelchers.FiscalYear2000]> > >> >   > >>  L > >>    Yeah, I'm always learning new shell man pages because someone set up  > >>    the default prompt to be > >>  [ > >> somehost:/export/users/namegoeshere/projectname/facilityname/modulename/programname/ >  > >>  J > >>    and I want to shut it off.  I do like to actually see the commands > >>    I'm typing.  > >  > > G > >Well, it would be usable if you could include a <LF><CR> (or two) at G > >the end of the prompt string. Of course, with VMS you still have the  > >32-char limit.  > > G > >Not that I would want the default directory in my prompt string, but  > >for someone who does... > > F > >Actually, I'd like to see an option to add the time to the prompt.  > >  > >JMHO  >  >  > With continuous time update?  E No. I want to be able to come back to a SmarTerm session and at least F have a clue as to when things happened. I want the time to be the timeF that the prompt appeared on the screen. Someone mailed me a utility to try but I haven't tried it yet.   G > FYI, with XPDNT, you can include the last 32 characters in the prompt G > string.  It can also be used to update the DECterm title bar with the G > current default (up to about 60 characters of it) or have is write in  > the 25th "status" line.   D I don't have anything to run DECwindows on and I don't have any real need for DECwindows.  H > It also maintains a list of prior defaults which can be navigated with4 > a utility that is launched via a hot key sequence.  C Cool. But I already have my TO.COM which does the same and more. On E VMS I live in a character-cell world, and for my job, that's probably F best. The only thing I think I would like a VMS GUI for is to navigateD directory trees. Selecting a file would make it the equivalence nameA of the logical name FILE so that I could then run a succession of  commands on said FILE.  D I *really* don't like using the mouse. And yes, I would prefer to be< able to navigate any GUI via keystrokes as much as possible.   >  > --  > > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.  > --  . > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:N >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!  F Actually, if you take this quasi-literally, there is an advantage: The? other cyber terrorists can't really make things much worse! ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:27:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's , Message-ID: <41226A37.564029E5@teksavvy.com>   Dirk Munk wrote: > Q > Today I got a small HP bulletin, and there it was announced that the EV7 is now R > running at 1,3 GHz in the GS1280. The ES47 and ES80 now can get the 1,15 GHz RV7Q > (was 1,0 GHz) Maybe we should start a overclocker Alpha forum, and see how fast # > these things actually can run :-)   N Still remember some DECUS event where they had an alpha overclocked at 747mhz. And that was ages ago.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:37:46 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>+ Subject: Re: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's 2 Message-ID: <cftqba$sso$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dirk Munk wrote: > Q >>Today I got a small HP bulletin, and there it was announced that the EV7 is now R >>running at 1,3 GHz in the GS1280. The ES47 and ES80 now can get the 1,15 GHz RV7Q >>(was 1,0 GHz) Maybe we should start a overclocker Alpha forum, and see how fast # >>these things actually can run :-)  >  > P > Still remember some DECUS event where they had an alpha overclocked at 747mhz. > And that was ages ago.  M There was a PWS with such a cpu, and active cooling. It had a real cool-unit  Q with compressor etc. A kind of refrigerator / workstation combination. As far as  P I know it had no room to cool tins, although the CD-Rom player could be used as 
 cupholder.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:14:23 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>+ Subject: Re: Surprise, surprise ! New EV7's 4 Message-ID: <41227534$0$206$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  , "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message , news:cftn3d$toe$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...K > Today I got a small HP bulletin, and there it was announced that the EV7  M > is now running at 1,3 GHz in the GS1280. The ES47 and ES80 now can get the  G > 1,15 GHz RV7 (was 1,0 GHz) Maybe we should start a overclocker Alpha  ; > forum, and see how fast these things actually can run :-)   L HP have a third party overclocked Alpha box in DECPark (Reading CSC). It is M liquid cooled, although apparently it crashes every few days and blows power   supplies quite regularly.   - No personal experience of running it though..   I Rather than overclocking how about talking to Samsung, they still have a  I license to make Alpha CPU's and can keep doing so as long as they want...    Alex     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:51:25 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>C Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Known Problems with last ECOs ? * Message-ID: <2oi8c1Faq4loU1@uni-berlin.de>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:G > Last weekend I returned from my vacation and after reading some mails I > I saw 2 new ECOs for 7.3-2 (RMS and MOUNT96). I thought I give it a try I > and installed it successfully on my DS10. Then I installed it on my PWS G > and get Bugchecks during boot (Invalid Exception while above ASTDEL - J > with process SWAPPER - seems very early in the boot, before STARTUP.COM) > 9 > Does anyone know of problems with (one of) these ECOs ?  > I > In the meantime I'll try to remove the ECOs (btw: does anyone know if a J > UNDO can be done while booted from the 7.3-2 CD - which I must boot fromJ > an Infoserver and promises funny evenings this week) and upgrade another > PWS and XP1000...  >   F I cannot remember the precise details, but for some reason I recently H tried the PRODUCT command when booted from CD, and could not access the E product database on my system disk. There might be some logical name  F that is useful, but I couldn't find it at the time. I was looking for I something similar to the LICENSE /DATABASE= command, but did not find it.    --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.458 ************************