1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 19 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 459       Contents: Re: (OT:) New York marathon * Re: add new proxy without restart of TCPIP* Re: add new proxy without restart of TCPIP Re: charon vax emulator??? RE: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? RE: charon vax emulator??? Re: DECserver TCPIP setup D Re: Figures on Itanic migration plans by HP-UX, VMS, and Tru64 users Re: HP Away  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  Re: Multia questions Re: Multia questions Re: Re, Re : set prompt   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2004 08:04:50 -0700! From: dcs8506@bellsouth.net (RHB) $ Subject: Re: (OT:) New York marathon= Message-ID: <221a1b70.0408190704.2ceb110f@posting.google.com>   c Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de> wrote in message news:<cg1i8i$hrj8@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>...  > Patriarche wrote: D > > Dans l'article <cfsk8q$8g10@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>, emil.mustermann@t- > > online.de nous racontait...  > >  > >>Hi,  > >>a > >>I have just received my startnumber for the NY marathon this year. I am coming with 2 friends  > >>to NewYork.  > >>A > >>Are any other members of comp.os.vms going to run in NewYork?  > >> > >>Karl Rohwedder (Germany) > >  > > 0 > > No, i prefer Medoc's marathon, hipss ! ;-))) > >    > > * > That one is on my future list too... :-] >  > Karl  E Or try the area with the toughest marathons for geek/runners: FLORIDA   B Nov. 14 - West Palm Beach - 1ST Marathon/Half Marathon Of The Palm/ Beaches, 26.2M / 13.1M. 6AM, 561-833-3711 x225; B www.marathonofthepalmbeaches.org, scenic and flat run through WestA Palm Beach along the beautiful intracoastal waterway, Water/fluid A stations every mile, start at Meyer Amphitheater on Flagler Drive   C Nov. 28 - Cocoa - 33Rd Annual Space Coast Marathon & Half Marathon, : 7AM, Indian River Drive, 321-784- 2075, baboou@cfl.rr.com,  http://www.spacecoastrunners.org  C Jan. 9 - Orlando - Walt Disney World Marathon & Half Marathon, 6AM, < begins at Epcot and finishes outside The Magic Kingdom Park,' www.disneyworldsports.com, 407-939-7810   > Jan. 30 - Miami - Miami Tropical Marathon/ Half-Marathon, 6AM,D American Airlines Arena, 305-278-8668, www.miamitropicalmarathon.com  A Heat in the 80's, humidity in the 90's, plenty of sun, gators and  babes.0 All computer timed, check out the schedules at :; http://www.decade.com/Miscellaneous/Running/Webrunning.html    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2004 00:23:20 -0700. From: norbert.hanowski@dillinger.biz (Norbert)3 Subject: Re: add new proxy without restart of TCPIP = Message-ID: <77ba41db.0408182323.56cb232d@posting.google.com>    Thank you,  2 unfortunately I used this "/permanent" qualifier.   * "wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil" ;-)      t David R. Beatty <QWDavidER.TYBeattyUI@sas.com> wrote in message news:<efi6i0tu6p0j8tnn94i89v4qun49n6jogl@4ax.com>...? > On 18 Aug 2004 03:01:25 -0700, norbert.hanowski@dillinger.biz  > (Norbert) wrote: >  > >Hi,C > >i add a new proxy in TCPIP for a new NFS-mount. The "show proxy" H > >command shows the user-typ "ON" and it does not work. After a restart> > >of TCPIP it shows "OND" for the new user and it works fine.B > >But I can not restart TCPIP because of the other working users.I > >Is there any way to activate the new proxy without a restart of TCPIP?  > >  > >  > >bYe          Norbert  >  >     Two questions: > / >     What versions of VMS and TCP/IP Services?  > ) >     Exactly what command are you using?  > 5 >     If you are using the /PERMANENT qualifier, that : > will exhibit the characteristics you are describing.  By6 > default, ADD PROXY will add to both the volatile and > permanent databases. > > >     If that's not it, you should be able to stop and restart > the NFS client only via: > ( > @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP_CLIENT_SHUTDOWN.COM' > @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP_CLIENT_STARTUP.COM  > * mount NFS file systems * > @ >     You could also try simply dismounting and mounting the NFS > file system in question. >  > David R. Beatty    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2004 01:17:28 -0700. From: norbert.hanowski@dillinger.biz (Norbert)3 Subject: Re: add new proxy without restart of TCPIP = Message-ID: <77ba41db.0408182322.1fabf08e@posting.google.com>    Thank you,  2 unfortunately I used this "/permanent" qualifier.   * "wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil" ;-)      t David R. Beatty <QWDavidER.TYBeattyUI@sas.com> wrote in message news:<efi6i0tu6p0j8tnn94i89v4qun49n6jogl@4ax.com>...? > On 18 Aug 2004 03:01:25 -0700, norbert.hanowski@dillinger.biz  > (Norbert) wrote: >  > >Hi,C > >i add a new proxy in TCPIP for a new NFS-mount. The "show proxy" H > >command shows the user-typ "ON" and it does not work. After a restart> > >of TCPIP it shows "OND" for the new user and it works fine.B > >But I can not restart TCPIP because of the other working users.I > >Is there any way to activate the new proxy without a restart of TCPIP?  > >  > >  > >bYe          Norbert  >  >     Two questions: > / >     What versions of VMS and TCP/IP Services?  > ) >     Exactly what command are you using?  > 5 >     If you are using the /PERMANENT qualifier, that : > will exhibit the characteristics you are describing.  By6 > default, ADD PROXY will add to both the volatile and > permanent databases. > > >     If that's not it, you should be able to stop and restart > the NFS client only via: > ( > @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP_CLIENT_SHUTDOWN.COM' > @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP_CLIENT_STARTUP.COM  > * mount NFS file systems * > @ >     You could also try simply dismounting and mounting the NFS > file system in question. >  > David R. Beatty    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2004 07:01:23 -0700( From: tjonard@usa.net (Thomas A. Jonard)# Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? ; Message-ID: <3ad0fd0.0408190524.40170b0@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<wbSN$CN20pfj@eisner.encompasserve.org>...f > In article <4123b682$0$12336$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>, Wilm Boerhout <w3.boerhout@planet.nl> writes: > > E > > It is a production quality software that I've recommended to and  L > > implemented at several of my customers sites. It replaces a real VAX to  > > the last decimal.  > >  > E >    Unless the Windows kernel has something better to do for several D >    milliseconds.  I have not yet seen a version of Charon-VAX that, >    I would use in a real-time application.  D Actually in real life you might have a different problem as does oneE of our current clients -- CharonVAX is too fast for the application.  E If your application was written assuming some things about the timing A of events and is tuned to the performance of a micro-VAX the much D higher performance of CharonVAX can require retuning the applicationF to run on it.  The good news is that your VAX is much faster.  The badD news is that your qbus and qbus periperals are unchanged.  Combining> new and old technology in this way has to be well thought out.  > It is also important to treat the CharonVAX server as such andE configure it so that the M$ doesn't decide to do something on its own # or in response to an outside event.    Tom   ( Thomas A. Jonard,  jonard@XLNsystems.com Senior Consultant, XLNsystems , XLNsystems -- VMS specialists, CharonVAX VAR   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:13:52 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> # Subject: RE: charon vax emulator??? 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAENHDKAA.tom@kednos.com>    < -----Original Message-----1 < From: Thomas A. Jonard [mailto:tjonard@usa.net] ) < Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:01 AM  < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % < Subject: Re: charon vax emulator???  <  < A < koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in  9 < message news:<wbSN$CN20pfj@eisner.encompasserve.org>... @ < > In article <4123b682$0$12336$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>, Wilm * < Boerhout <w3.boerhout@planet.nl> writes: < > > G < > > It is a production quality software that I've recommended to and  B < > > implemented at several of my customers sites. It replaces a  < real VAX to  < > > the last decimal.  < > >  < > G < >    Unless the Windows kernel has something better to do for several F < >    milliseconds.  I have not yet seen a version of Charon-VAX that. < >    I would use in a real-time application. < F < Actually in real life you might have a different problem as does oneG < of our current clients -- CharonVAX is too fast for the application.  G < If your application was written assuming some things about the timing C < of events and is tuned to the performance of a micro-VAX the much F < higher performance of CharonVAX can require retuning the applicationH < to run on it.  The good news is that your VAX is much faster.  The badF < news is that your qbus and qbus periperals are unchanged.  Combining@ < new and old technology in this way has to be well thought out.  E That is hard to imagine.  If you write that kind of code you may wish # to consider a different profession.    < @ < It is also important to treat the CharonVAX server as such andG < configure it so that the M$ doesn't decide to do something on its own % < or in response to an outside event.  <  < Tom  < * < Thomas A. Jonard,  jonard@XLNsystems.com < Senior Consultant, XLNsystems . < XLNsystems -- VMS specialists, CharonVAX VAR <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A < Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004  <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:48:21 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca># Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? * Message-ID: <2ojstjFbm6hjU1@uni-berlin.de>   Bob Koehler wrote: >...E >    Unless the Windows kernel has something better to do for several D >    milliseconds.  I have not yet seen a version of Charon-VAX that, >    I would use in a real-time application.  H I would not use VMS in a true real-time application because of processesE like SWAPPER that need to be there and need to be at a high priority, C but I know of VMS being used in almost real-time applications and I ? would not see any problem using CHARON-VAX there. If you have a D real-time application and you are using VMS on a hardware VAX then I1 would see no problems at all going to CHARON-VAX.   F When your VAR comes in to set-up the environment they will turn off asF many non-essential Windows services as possible. You will also only beF running CHARON-VAX in a dual CPU system with the CHARON-VAX data filesH on a drive other than C:. The one CPU will constantly be running at 100%H usage, the other CPU would be available for Windows. Having said that, I> have never experienced any response problems on my single-CPU,1 single-disk laptop that I use to demo CHARON-VAX.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2004 07:47:19 -0700( From: stan@stanq.com (Stanley F. Quayle)# Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? < Message-ID: <faf7c984.0408190647.ea5becf@posting.google.com>  B > Unless the Windows kernel has something better to do for severalC > milliseconds.  I have not yet seen a version of Charon-VAX that I ( > would use in a real-time application.   D You're not the only one to have this concern.  Stay tuned for future CHARON-VAX announcements.   D [Another Shameless Plug (tm) from your "local" CHARON-VAX reseller.]   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:49:15 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca># Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? * Message-ID: <2ojsvbFbog0tU1@uni-berlin.de>   Beach Runner wrote:  >...> > ONe of the main reasons to purchase VMS is Colorado Support.  
 Very true!  ( >  You don't get that with a Charon VAX.  E Completely false. You might be thinking about the free VAX emulators, = but HP supports VMS and layered apps on CHARON-VAX. Check out B http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/sri-charon-vax-emulator.html for details.  5 >  You'd have to reproduce the problem on a real VAX.   D The page mentioned above says that "HP will fix software problems ifD they are also seen in the comparable VAX environment." If HP can notG reproduce your problem on a VAX then they will ask you to and I tell my E customers that I will use one of my VAXen if this ever happens, but I H have never heard of anyone having a problem on CHARON-VAX that could notH be duplicated on a Hardware VAX. The fact that CHARON-VAX passes the AXEG (VAX Application Exerciser) tests means that CHARON-VAX is a VAX as far  as VMS is concerned.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:57:05 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> # Subject: RE: charon vax emulator??? 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEENIDKAA.tom@kednos.com>    < -----Original Message-----C < From: Peter Weaver [mailto:WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca] ) < Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:49 AM  < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % < Subject: Re: charon vax emulator???  <  <  < Beach Runner wrote:  < >...@ < > ONe of the main reasons to purchase VMS is Colorado Support. <  < Very true! < * < >  You don't get that with a Charon VAX. < G < Completely false. You might be thinking about the free VAX emulators, ? < but HP supports VMS and layered apps on CHARON-VAX. Check out D < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/sri-charon-vax-emulator.html for
 < details. < 7 < >  You'd have to reproduce the problem on a real VAX.  < F < The page mentioned above says that "HP will fix software problems ifF < they are also seen in the comparable VAX environment." If HP can notI < reproduce your problem on a VAX then they will ask you to and I tell my G < customers that I will use one of my VAXen if this ever happens, but I J < have never heard of anyone having a problem on CHARON-VAX that could notJ < be duplicated on a Hardware VAX. The fact that CHARON-VAX passes the AXEI < (VAX Application Exerciser) tests means that CHARON-VAX is a VAX as far  < as VMS is concerned.  # BTW, do we know if Simh passes AXE?    <  < --   < Peter Weaver! < Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  < Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  < www.weaverconsulting.ca  <  <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A < Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004  <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2004 08:21:34 -0700! From: tapper4@hotmail.com (Tappy) " Subject: Re: DECserver TCPIP setup= Message-ID: <a50d3db1.0408190721.7b3748b3@posting.google.com>   o peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<newscache$7u4n2i$wxk1$1@news.sil.at>... J > Maybe the internet setup gets set again via bootp/tftp from your network! > and not from the DS900M itself. K > How do you boot ? Via Flash (did you install one) ? Via MOP ? Or via IP ?   F Thanks to all who posted replies! EPLAN hit the mark! There was an oldD BootP entry for the DECserver and it was picking up the address from% that load. Thanks again EPLAN- Tappy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:37:01 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>M Subject: Re: Figures on Itanic migration plans by HP-UX, VMS, and Tru64 users * Message-ID: <2ojl7hFbhge7U1@uni-berlin.de>   Bill Todd wrote:> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/18/hpworld_users_react/ > M > "a whopping 50 percent of [HP-UX] customers have no plans to move to Itanic N > at all.  This leaves half of HP's high-end [HP-UX] customer base looking forL > a new home either on Linux systems, which HP does sell, or - more likely -) > on IBM and Sun Microsystems' Unix kit."  > F > "HP's decision to kill off Tru64 all together has 53 per cent of itsF > customers saying they are dissatisfied with HP's roadmap for the OS,K > according to Interex. And, while OpenVMS will survive on Itanium, half of K > HP's customers have no plans to migrate over to Intel's new chip, leaving ( > room for IBM and Sun to attack again." > K > Other interesting tidbits as well, including the distinct impression that K > Ann Livermore was blowing considerable amounts of smoke out of her nether N > regions trying to turn sow's-ear-level Itanic acceptance into something moreH > resembling a silk purse.  And then it goes into language problems with  > service off-shoring and SAP... > I > And in http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17929 , after more Livermore F > smoke, we have the following interesting statement (at least I don't% > remember seeing it mentioned here):  > I > "Earlier this week, an article in the Wall St Journal claimed that HP's G > Shane Robison had axed most of the high end R&D projects the firm was  > working on." > M > Way to go, Shane:  carrying on the tradition established with the Alphacide K > in exemplary fashion.  Not that storage needs new products or anything...  >   H And another Inquirer article on the subject, but it doesn't say _which_ % "high-end R&D projects" are involved:   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17967   C Can someone with a WSJ subscription please follow the link in that  3 article and let us know if it sheds any more light?    --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2004 04:42:50 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: HP Away= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0408190342.4b3fd5ad@posting.google.com>   x "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> wrote in message news:<4123ce3f$0$198$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>...> > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message 9 > news:f30679fb.0408180326.4e30f681@posting.google.com... 8 > > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message = > > news:<d7791aa1.0408171532.3d180428@posting.google.com>... O > >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  B > >> wrote in message news:<cftc6o$7hm$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > >>B > >> remember, a box is only as good as the os that runs on it ...4 > >> OpenVMS complimented alpha and soon itanium ...C > >> neither IBM or sun has any os to compliment their hardware ...  > > 9 > > I think Andrew knows that OpenVMS is a good product ! 7 > > He is not in this news group wasting his time ! ;-) 9 > > But OVMS still expensive ! I think a good way to sell < > > OpenVMS systems (Itanium) is delivery it as an appliance? > > product - not exclusevily of course. For Telecom operators, @ > > Financial, etc ... Put a lot of Oracle, BEA, Attunity inside7 > > and sell the system(s) like a kit to power-and-run. > > > Like the NetApp OS.  May be with the Itanium Blades we can > > have a good surprise ! > >  > >  > > Regards  > >  > > FC >  >  > Fabio, > K > Can you phone Servix in Brazil (they sell Itanium and Alphas) on 11 3619  M > 3414 please? Get a quote for a rx1600, they are 1U high. I really would be  O > interested to know how much one would be from them, I want to understand the  A > scale of the high import charges you have previously mentioned.  > N > Post back here the cost, go for an entry level config, 1 CPU and 1GB of RAM. >  > Thanks >  > Alex     Ok Alex   = Wait a few hours ! :-) By the way I know  another reseller in ; Brazil: www.decatron.com.br ! They are in Rio de Janeiro !   May I quote them ?     Regards    FC   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2004 01:21:21 -0700( From: finnjj@telefonica.net (Jerry Finn)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....= Message-ID: <31a78418.0408190021.27ea12db@posting.google.com>   m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0408181328.60cb1136@posting.google.com>... G > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message  K > > AIX is actually a pretty competent UNIX, ZOS is also a pretty competent L > > OS and there is nothing lousy about either of them but then I doubt very. > > much it you have any experience of either. > >  > > Regards  > > Andrew Harrison  > < > they ARE lousy and they are convuluted just like all other< > unix/linux ... the VMS creators were aware of unix and all? > of its shortcomings when they designed VMS and thankfully so!   = ZOS is not a UNIX any more than VMS, OS/400 or MPE/iX. It is  ; the new version of MVS that ran on S/390. Rebranded for the  new release as ZOS on zSeries.    = It has a different niche than VMS but those who use it would  4 compare it favorably to VMS and put way above UNIX.   
 Jerry Finn   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2004 05:37:34 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0408190437.d07bdf0@posting.google.com>  \ David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message news:<41242745.2020308@tsoft-inc.com>... > Q > If the VMS developers were so aware of Unix, then why didn't they address FORK  S > long ago, which can be very useful in some instances.  VMS programmers could use  P > FORK, and not just for porting Unix code.  I know of several things I've done  > that could have used FORK. >  > Dave  < and I know several thousand things I can do on VMS that unix7 can't ... the top two being security and clustering ...    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Aug 2004 17:09:27 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....* Message-ID: <2ok566Fbod6fU1@uni-berlin.de>  3 In article <b9NZVeoLNsP5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > H > Perhaps those who want VMS to look like Unix should ask their favorite > Unix vendor for AST support.  C I would be willing to bet that there is a much larger percentage of D VMS users who would like a working fork than Unix users who want AST2 support (or even know what it is for that matter!)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:26:07 +0800 @ From: Tim Sneddon <first-initiallastname@bsddotinfomedia.com.au> Subject: Re: Multia questions * Message-ID: <2oivfvFara4iU1@uni-berlin.de>   David Froble wrote:  > Keith A. Lewis wrote:  > K >> I'm considering buying a Multia to use as a satellite node in a hobbyist & >> cluster, and I have some questions. >>I >> 1.  Will Multia boot VMS using MOP over ethernet?  I saw a Multia FAQ  	 >> saying L >> MOP could be used for loading firmware upgrades so I would guess yes, but$ >> maybe somebody here has tried it. >>  
 Not too sure.   D >> 2.  Does the MMOV audio software work on the Multia audio device? >>  G No. I've tried it with various different configs with no success. I did L get it to appear as a device and even got MMOV to start, but when I tried toK do anything "sound related" MMOV$SERVER crashed with an ACCVIO. The virtual 0 address was 4, if that means anything to anyone.  H >> 3.  What's the latest version of VMS anybody has successfully run on 
 >> Multia?  E I have V7.2 installed. I haven't bothered even attempting an upgrade.   G > Ok, this is an opinion, and we're all allowed some highly prejudiced   > opinions.  > K > Buying?  I wouldn't mess with a Multia that was free.  If you're buying,  J > can't you find a nice working AlphaStation, even an EV4 would be better  > than the Multia. > . > If you're looking for a challenge, well, Ok.  J I agree. The Multia was never meant to run VMS. That said though, I portedK Wolfenstein 3D using my Multia and that ran reasonably well, and I've never  had any crashes.   Just my opinion...  
 Regards, Tim.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2004 06:46:29 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) Subject: Re: Multia questions = Message-ID: <bf98c417.0408190546.41e56485@posting.google.com>   r Tim Sneddon <first-initiallastname@bsddotinfomedia.com.au> wrote in message news:<2oivfvFara4iU1@uni-berlin.de>... > David Froble wrote:  > > Keith A. Lewis wrote:  > > M > >> I'm considering buying a Multia to use as a satellite node in a hobbyist ( > >> cluster, and I have some questions. > >>K > >> 1.  Will Multia boot VMS using MOP over ethernet?  I saw a Multia FAQ   > >> saying N > >> MOP could be used for loading firmware upgrades so I would guess yes, but& > >> maybe somebody here has tried it. > >> >  > Not too sure.  > F > >> 2.  Does the MMOV audio software work on the Multia audio device? > >> > I > No. I've tried it with various different configs with no success. I did N > get it to appear as a device and even got MMOV to start, but when I tried toM > do anything "sound related" MMOV$SERVER crashed with an ACCVIO. The virtual 2 > address was 4, if that means anything to anyone. > J > >> 3.  What's the latest version of VMS anybody has successfully run on  > >> Multia? > G > I have V7.2 installed. I haven't bothered even attempting an upgrade.  > I > > Ok, this is an opinion, and we're all allowed some highly prejudiced  
 > > opinions.  > > M > > Buying?  I wouldn't mess with a Multia that was free.  If you're buying,  L > > can't you find a nice working AlphaStation, even an EV4 would be better  > > than the Multia. > > 0 > > If you're looking for a challenge, well, Ok. > L > I agree. The Multia was never meant to run VMS. That said though, I portedM > Wolfenstein 3D using my Multia and that ran reasonably well, and I've never  > had any crashes. >  > Just my opinion... >  > Regards, Tim.   , Glad to hear that it's still up and running.     B I'm certain that the fan upgrade job I did on it helped to keep it0 from toasting itself as Multias are prone to do.   WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2004 06:43:12 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: Re, Re : set prompt< Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0408190543.722e672@posting.google.com>  X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A36935.DBFDA36A@SendSpamHere.ORG>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0408181828.7a95deaa@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:[ > >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A368AD.895B28AD@SendSpamHere.ORG>... s > >> In article <b096a4ee.0408180856.29328185@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: | > >> >koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<bOAm7GU1UAHY@eisner.encompasserve.org>..._ > >> >> In article <4120D4FD.1060503@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  [...] I > >> >Actually, I'd like to see an option to add the time to the prompt.   > >> >
 > >> >JMHO > >>   > >>  ! > >> With continuous time update?  > > H > >No. I want to be able to come back to a SmarTerm session and at leastI > >have a clue as to when things happened. I want the time to be the time I > >that the prompt appeared on the screen. Someone mailed me a utility to " > >try but I haven't tried it yet. > > J > >> FYI, with XPDNT, you can include the last 32 characters in the promptJ > >> string.  It can also be used to update the DECterm title bar with theJ > >> current default (up to about 60 characters of it) or have is write in > >> the 25th "status" line. > > G > >I don't have anything to run DECwindows on and I don't have any real  > >need for DECwindows.  > ; > Does your terminal emulator support the 25th status line?   , Yes. But it's not necessarily the 25th line!   > K > >> It also maintains a list of prior defaults which can be navigated with 7 > >> a utility that is launched via a hot key sequence.  > > F > >Cool. But I already have my TO.COM which does the same and more. OnH > >VMS I live in a character-cell world, and for my job, that's probablyI > >best. The only thing I think I would like a VMS GUI for is to navigate G > >directory trees. Selecting a file would make it the equivalence name D > >of the logical name FILE so that I could then run a succession of > >commands on said FILE.  >  > Who said this was DECwindows?   F Well, you *are* VAXMAN and you mentioned DECterms. The only place I'veD seen DECterms is on DECwindows (albeit about 13 years ago!). Put allF that together and, well, I thought you, as VAXMAN, surely wouldn't use any other GUI!     VAXMAN: default = DEC      So unless you say otherwise...!      >  > --  > > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.  > --  . > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:N >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.459 ************************                      ---- UNSDLi    Version:      s,    Description:  Joe Meadows's UNSDL Utility    Author:       Joe Meadows    Architecture: VAX    # of parts:   -    Language:     CP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UNZIPi#    Version:      V5.51, 22-MAY-2004o9    Description:  Info-ZIP's portable UnZip (see also ZIP) #    Author:       The Info-ZIP Group     Architecture: VAX,AXP,IA64:    # of parts:   -    Language:     CA    Homepage URL: ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/Info-ZIP.htmlnP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDNODES    Version:      18-APR-1993>    Description:  Apply monthly BITNET updates to BITEARN NODES    Author:       Terry Kennedy    Architecture: VAX    # of parts:   -    Language:     CP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UUCODE$    Version:      V1.1-0, 29-MAR-1996P    Description:  UUENCODE & UUDECODE for VMS (smart version with CLI$ interface)!    Author:       Various, Goatley-    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     CP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UUCP020o    Version:      V2.0oA    Description:  DECUS uucp v2.0 (minimum required savesets only) 0    Author:       Hanrahan, Allebrandi, Pizzalato    Architecture: VAX    # of parts:   -    Language:     N/AP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UUNUKE    Version:      14-JUN-19941    Description:  Kill a disconnected UUCP processA<    Author:       David G. 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