1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 25 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 471       Contents:! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? " Re: Best TCP/IP stack for OpenVMS?" Re: Best TCP/IP stack for OpenVMS? Re: charon vax emulator???	 Re: cobol  Re: HPworld - I Survived RE: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived RE: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: If OVMS is killed by HP....  OpenVMS Wikipedia entry  Re: OpenVMS Wikipedia entry 
 OSU server Re: OSU server Re: Re, Re : set prompt  Re: Re, Re : set prompt  Re: Re, Re : set prompt  Re: Re, Re : set prompt ! Shadow Merge is Killing Me - help K Re: SKHPC's Latest Take on IPF and Post-Superdome Technology From HP  World K Re: SKHPC's Latest Take on IPF and Post-Superdome Technology From HP  World P Re: SKHPC's Latest Take on IPF and Post-Superdome Technology From HP World HP Wo Re: Whither RAID?  Re: Whither RAID?  [OT] 25-AUG-1944 [OT]: Whither RAID?  Re: [OT]: Whither RAID?  Re: [OT]: Whither RAID?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:20:08 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>* Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???, Message-ID: <412CA018.6000206@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > David Froble wrote:  > N >>I've never understood expanding your customer base at the expense of another >>segment of YOUR OWN COMPANY.   >> >  > L > Simple: if your company's performance is based on production and/or marketL > share for product X, then you can expect thatc company to switch procuct YE > customers over to product X in order to make product X look better.  > N > (Hey, I am not saying I support such strategy, only that I can see how CarlyP > and company would see that way). Remember that for Carly, image is everything. >   P Well if image is everything, then why doesn't she work for image instead of the  millions she's pulling down?  ? Regardless what anyone thinks or says, it's always about money!    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:38:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???, Message-ID: <412CB28D.30441D27@teksavvy.com>   David Froble wrote: A > Regardless what anyone thinks or says, it's always about money!   L No. It is about strategy to make money. Carly wants to be seen as taking theL right steps to please shareholders. Period. Hence the "image is everything".  K If Carly tells shareholders that the future is with wintel servers and that L proprietary systems such as VMS have no future, then she will be expected to: take steps to move VMS customers over to wintel customers.  K The problem with folks like Carly is that power has gone to their heads and L they are using their industry leadership position to try to set trends. This8 si where there is a huge difference bewteen HP and IBM.   J IBM doesn't really attenpt to predict a single technological future.  TheyL leave doors opened without jeoperdizing their existing business. Their LinuxH strategy is a good example. HP on the other hand wants to be seen as theI oracle of the IT world, with the ability to predict a single very precise A future and it then bets all its eggs into that prediction basket.   N Sun isn't putting all its eggs into Opteron. It is edging its bets by going to Opteron and staying with Sparc.   M But in the end, it is Carly that makes the most noise about the IT industry's G future and she is listened to by the wall stree casino analysts who are N impressed with her leadership skills. Carly's hopes is that if she repeats her4 predictions often enough, they will actually happen.  J Problem is that the wall street analysts have only short term memories. IfI they went back to the pre-merced promises about IA64, they'd see just how L wrong Carly and Curly were and how IA64 will never be an "industry standard"I commodity item. If they realised that, they would they take Carly,s newer J predictions with a grain of salt and Carly would lose much credibility andN would then be required to make HP perform now instead of living on predictions of the future.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:49:54 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>* Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???< Message-ID: <Cy2Xc.1350$LH6.149796@twister.southeast.rr.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:412CB28D.30441D27@teksavvy.com... > David Froble wrote: C > > Regardless what anyone thinks or says, it's always about money!  > J > No. It is about strategy to make money. Carly wants to be seen as taking the A > right steps to please shareholders. Period. Hence the "image is  everything". > H > If Carly tells shareholders that the future is with wintel servers and thatK > proprietary systems such as VMS have no future, then she will be expected  to< > take steps to move VMS customers over to wintel customers. > I > The problem with folks like Carly is that power has gone to their heads  and I > they are using their industry leadership position to try to set trends.  This9 > si where there is a huge difference bewteen HP and IBM.  > L > IBM doesn't really attenpt to predict a single technological future.  TheyH > leave doors opened without jeoperdizing their existing business. Their Linux J > strategy is a good example. HP on the other hand wants to be seen as theK > oracle of the IT world, with the ability to predict a single very precise C > future and it then bets all its eggs into that prediction basket.  > G > Sun isn't putting all its eggs into Opteron. It is edging its bets by  going to! > Opteron and staying with Sparc.  > D > But in the end, it is Carly that makes the most noise about the IT
 industry'sI > future and she is listened to by the wall stree casino analysts who are L > impressed with her leadership skills. Carly's hopes is that if she repeats her 6 > predictions often enough, they will actually happen. > L > Problem is that the wall street analysts have only short term memories. IfK > they went back to the pre-merced promises about IA64, they'd see just how D > wrong Carly and Curly were and how IA64 will never be an "industry	 standard" K > commodity item. If they realised that, they would they take Carly,s newer L > predictions with a grain of salt and Carly would lose much credibility andD > would then be required to make HP perform now instead of living on predictions  > of the future.    E Funny, some of you guys seem to pratice the same repeat-repeat-repeat  philosophy here.  1 "...IA64 will never be an "industry standard"..."   K That's a bold statement.  What's the definition of "industry standard" this  week anyway.   Ken  OpenVMS.org    ________________________" Kenneth R. Farmer <>< 336-736-7376$ SpyderByte: http://www.SpydeByte.com   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2004 05:25:15 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Re: Best TCP/IP stack for OpenVMS? = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0408250425.33341104@posting.google.com>   6 bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message > A > TCPware from Process is the best hands down ... we have had our A > webserver running in it for over 5 years now and have NEVER had > > a problem.  TCPware interface is also more VMS like than theB > others, which are more unix like (convuluted).  The biggest gain= > is in speed.  The TCPware kernel is the only IP stack which B > uses the VMS kernel, and with head to head competition with both@ > multinet and ucx, TCPware was the clear winner on web testing.> > Also, TCPware is the only stack that can run Decnet Phase IVA > over IP.  All the other things multinet has (ssh2) TCPware has.   E and migration would be very easy since it is similar in functionality  to multinet ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:39:59 -0400 + From: "Andrew Robert" <arobert@townisp.com> + Subject: Re: Best TCP/IP stack for OpenVMS? C Message-ID: <opsdaogxll9vfl9b@dhcp-0-7-e9-bc-5c-fc.cpe.townisp.com>   $ Multinet has DECnet over TCP/IP too.    H On 25 Aug 2004 05:25:15 -0700, Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:  7 > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message > B >> TCPware from Process is the best hands down ... we have had ourB >> webserver running in it for over 5 years now and have NEVER had? >> a problem.  TCPware interface is also more VMS like than the C >> others, which are more unix like (convuluted).  The biggest gain > >> is in speed.  The TCPware kernel is the only IP stack whichC >> uses the VMS kernel, and with head to head competition with both A >> multinet and ucx, TCPware was the clear winner on web testing. ? >> Also, TCPware is the only stack that can run Decnet Phase IV B >> over IP.  All the other things multinet has (ssh2) TCPware has. > G > and migration would be very easy since it is similar in functionality  > to multinet ...        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:41:23 +0200 + From: Wilm Boerhout <w3.boerhout@planet.nl> # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 5 Message-ID: <412ccf44$0$2129$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>    Bob Koehler wrote:   > G >    Sneakernet will get you.  Meanwhile, I admit I haven't seen a BSOD H >    for days.  But then, I've been home all week taking care of a wound >    I asked my doctor to make.    I hope it heals well.   I Sneakernet may be disabled as well by Charon-VAX. Just assign the floppy  D and the CDROM drive to their VMS counterpart within Charon-VAX, and I $ALLOCATE the VMS drive for those devices. Then Windows won't be able to   read from them.   D That just leaves the malicious user, with or without sneakers, with I physical access to the system. Now here's how Charon-VAX deals with that:   + [Read on next week for a thrilling episode]    --  
 Wilm Boerhout  Zwolle, The Netherlands    wilmOLD@PAINTboerhout.nl2    (remove OLD PAINT from this address before use)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:25:33 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>  Subject: Re: cobol* Message-ID: <2p41anFgp46fU1@uni-berlin.de>  , On 2004-08-24 23:51, "Kevin Monceaux" wrote:   > [...]  > M > P.S.  Hopefully I got it right this time.  The first time I replied to this I > message I think I did so privately instad of to the list as I intended.    That's correct indeed.  , > Sorry if this ends up being a double post.  , It hasn't been a "double post" to the group.   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2004 08:47:24 -05004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived 3 Message-ID: <nxIYcifuTWy8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <412BE1D2.1106E393@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:B > ...oh yeah, and pick a venue with hotelS (plural) within walkingG > distance. The facility formerly known as the Rosemont (IL) Convention  > Center comes to mind...   I That's what I liked about Anaheim, and for that matter Providence. Didn't K need a car or shuttle bus all week (except in Providence I went and visited # family in Boston over the weekend).   I This time I was local, commuting from home to HPworld and back every day. K That meant catching a 6:13am train each day, and getting home at 10:30 most I nights (earlier once, later once). And there was no direct transportation I from the trian stations to McCormick place. You had to take 2 CTA busses, L and wait god-knows-where-or-how-long for a transfer. For me it as simpler toG just walk to the Palmer house and take the shuttle. But once that added K enough delay I had to wait almost an hour for a train that was then an hour I late, and once had to run till I was ready to collapse to catch the train  with about a minute to spare.   J If it ever returns to Chicago, Rosemont works. I work the hobby show thereI every fall. Cheap parking in the CTA lot is no further than the expensive F parking down the long maze of winding walkways. The union situation inH Rosemont can't be worse than Chicago, but may not be much better either.    1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  O  Save Model Rocketry from the HSA!   http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:15:18 -0500 / From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> ! Subject: RE: HPworld - I Survived T Message-ID: <DA4AD590CAF06845B671C398333A89C6041584F1@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  I Feedback from HP World and suggestions for the HP Technology Forum can be J sent to Encompass.  Send them to information at encompassUS dot org.  Yes,J there is actually a live person that reads email sent to this address. TheG HP Technology Forum will be held at the Morial Convention Center in New J Orleans on September 12-15, 2005.  The last time I attended a symposium inI New Orleans the hotels were fairly close to the convention center and TGV K also sponsored a riverboat party.  Early information on the forum is on the G Encompass web site and you can join a list to receive updates about the  event.     EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**      > -----Original Message-----* > From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD - > [mailto:kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD]  * > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:47 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # > Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived  > ? > In article <412BE1D2.1106E393@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera  % > <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: E > > ...oh yeah, and pick a venue with hotelS (plural) within walking  ? > > distance. The facility formerly known as the Rosemont (IL)  
 > Convention   > > Center comes to mind...  > 9 > That's what I liked about Anaheim, and for that matter  @ > Providence. Didn't need a car or shuttle bus all week (except F > in Providence I went and visited family in Boston over the weekend). > < > This time I was local, commuting from home to HPworld and  > back every day. @ > That meant catching a 6:13am train each day, and getting home = > at 10:30 most nights (earlier once, later once). And there  : > was no direct transportation from the trian stations to : > McCormick place. You had to take 2 CTA busses, and wait ; > god-knows-where-or-how-long for a transfer. For me it as  8 > simpler to just walk to the Palmer house and take the : > shuttle. But once that added enough delay I had to wait = > almost an hour for a train that was then an hour late, and  < > once had to run till I was ready to collapse to catch the % > train with about a minute to spare.  > < > If it ever returns to Chicago, Rosemont works. I work the ? > hobby show there every fall. Cheap parking in the CTA lot is  > > no further than the expensive parking down the long maze of = > winding walkways. The union situation in Rosemont can't be  8 > worse than Chicago, but may not be much better either. >  > 3 > 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" ( > 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< > Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	 6 > http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf@ >     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org  >    www.nar.org > ' >  Save Model Rocketry from the HSA!    , > http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:03:23 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived , Message-ID: <rKWdnVWYkYLdN7HcRVn-hQ@igs.net>   Stuart, Ed wrote: D > Feedback from HP World and suggestions for the HP Technology ForumD > can be sent to Encompass.  Send them to information at encompassUSF > dot org.  Yes, there is actually a live person that reads email sentE > to this address. The HP Technology Forum will be held at the Morial < > Convention Center in New Orleans on September 12-15, 2005.    B Having never paid too much attention to this before, but isn't theF mid-September period still a seasonal time for hurricanes to flood New Orleans?  K What will the HP Technology Forum's disaster tolerance/recovery plan be for  that circumstance?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:09:31 -0500 / From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> ! Subject: RE: HPworld - I Survived T Message-ID: <DA4AD590CAF06845B671C398333A89C60415850A@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  %  Book a hotel room on an upper floor?    EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**      > -----Original Message-----+ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]  + > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:03 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # > Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived  >  > Stuart, Ed wrote: 6 > > Feedback from HP World and suggestions for the HP  > Technology Forum can  G > > be sent to Encompass.  Send them to information at encompassUS dot  H > > org.  Yes, there is actually a live person that reads email sent to E > > this address. The HP Technology Forum will be held at the Morial  > > > Convention Center in New Orleans on September 12-15, 2005. >  > ; > Having never paid too much attention to this before, but  ; > isn't the mid-September period still a seasonal time for  " > hurricanes to flood New Orleans? > / > What will the HP Technology Forum's disaster  3 > tolerance/recovery plan be for that circumstance?  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:32:21 -0700 " From: "Joe Silagi" <joesi@wrq.com>! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived D Message-ID: <7g9Xc.3269$NC6.2734@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>  : "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in messageN news:DA4AD590CAF06845B671C398333A89C60415850A@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us...& > Book a hotel room on an upper floor?  G no lie!    in 1992 Interex (now HP World) was in New Orleans.... so was G hurricane Andrew.  For a place that gets as much rain as they do, I was L surprised at how leaky the conference hall was.   The other surprising thing5 is how fast "I survived ...." t-shirts were produced!   L according to the news, if Hurricane Andrew had hit New Orleans directly, the2 city would have been under eighteen feet of water.   -joe     >  > EdG > **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**  >  >  > > -----Original Message-----, > > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]- > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:03 AM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % > > Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived  > >  > > Stuart, Ed wrote: 7 > > > Feedback from HP World and suggestions for the HP  > > Technology Forum canH > > > be sent to Encompass.  Send them to information at encompassUS dotI > > > org.  Yes, there is actually a live person that reads email sent to F > > > this address. The HP Technology Forum will be held at the Morial@ > > > Convention Center in New Orleans on September 12-15, 2005. > >  > > < > > Having never paid too much attention to this before, but< > > isn't the mid-September period still a seasonal time for$ > > hurricanes to flood New Orleans? > > 0 > > What will the HP Technology Forum's disaster5 > > tolerance/recovery plan be for that circumstance?  > >  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:04:41 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: If OVMS is killed by HP...., Message-ID: <412CAA89.4060105@tsoft-inc.com>   Bob Kaplow wrote:   U > In article <4121C77A.201@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > 6 >>I have the perfect job for her.  Target drone pilot. >> > L > Sorry. That job is reserved for Bob Palmer. But Carly, Curly, et al can be > the backup pilots.  M I'm an idiot for suggesting anyone ahead of Palmer for that job.  Good catch.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:01:04 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>  Subject: OpenVMS Wikipedia entry* Message-ID: <2p2va7FfmrafU1@uni-berlin.de>  I I just stumbled across this today, and thought y'all might appreciate it.   2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Memory_System   --  
 Paul Sture  - OS X: "It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:15:07 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Wikipedia entry= Message-ID: <D9ydnbgdrv3C-7HcRVn-hw@metrocastcablevision.com>   7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message $ news:2p2va7FfmrafU1@uni-berlin.de...K > I just stumbled across this today, and thought y'all might appreciate it.  > 4 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Memory_System  I I'll bet you've been lurking over at realworldtech again (at least that's 0 where I think I saw a reference to it recently).   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:57:45 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: OSU server 3 Message-ID: <cgi2ca$u3$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>   ? Using OSU server, and read Alan Winston's excellent book on it.   H Have a form which allows (image) file upload, and a .com to receive it,  which both work fine. I A business partner is trying to generate their own post to our receiving  H .com directly in code, rather than from a web page, and it would appear D there's something wrong with the headers or something: instead of a G handful of fields and a file, I'm just getting field multipart yes: no  1 other fields & no file. The www_ symbols look ok.    Any diagnostic suggestions ?E There's substantially more data being posted, but I can't see it, or   what's wrong with it. G I've tried privrequest newtrace/15, which shows me how much data there   is, but not what it is.  VMS 7.3, OSU 3.9c, TCPip 5.1-5. & The remote site is using asp, I think.  G If I could just get the whole post (headers & all) dumped into a file,   that would be great.   Thanks,  Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:25:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: OSU server , Message-ID: <412CAF4C.68F266AA@teksavvy.com>   Chris Sharman wrote:E > there's something wrong with the headers or something: instead of a H > handful of fields and a file, I'm just getting field multipart yes: no3 > other fields & no file. The www_ symbols look ok.  >  > Any diagnostic suggestions ?  L use tcptrace to see what your peer is sending you.  Or edit the program thatM is executed in the .com to extract the header and rest of information so that J it logs all header info. I don't think that there is really any other way.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:49:56 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Re, Re : set prompt0 Message-ID: <00A36DF8.36226830@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <00A36D8C.116E5846@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: T >In article <00A36D2D.6955CB50@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:p >>In article <b096a4ee.0408231614.66e6ebed@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: >>>Mr. Shake and Baker wrote:  >>>  >>>[...]K >>>> >I will write to Hunter Goatley and ask for a copy of his program (see  >>>> >his post in this thread).  >>>>  . >>>> ...but you still need a terminal...  doh! >>> , >>>Hmmm. I have a terminal. I even said so.  >>>  >>>> plonk!  >>> K >>>Well goodbye to Mr. Shake and Baker and his inane questions and remarks!  >> >>What a childish twit.      >>J >>Do you speak for yourself or for everone here?  If for yourself, go fuckJ >>off.  If for the entire newsgroup, I'll gladly step out.  I am sure thatJ >>my contributions to comp.os.vms in terms of VMS will not be missed when,J >>in its place, there will be your faineant prattle to fill that technical >>void.  >>& >>I'll give the group a day to decide. > I >Oh, for heaven's sake.  Of course Alan E. Feldman doesn't speak for the  L >entire group - but he doesn't seem to be saying what you think he's saying,	 >either.   > D >You plonked him. "plonk", usenet-wise, was the sound somebody makesJ >as they go in your killfile; he therefore understood that you wouldn't beJ >talking to him anymore because you'd killfiled him.  (This was apparently  H Yes and I should have but was distracted and never added him to my list.      J >not what you meant by it.)  This makes his "goodbye" something other thanJ >a request for you to go away, especially since he thought you wouldn't beL >reading it, having him killfiled.  (That said, making fun of people's namesO >_is_ pretty childish.  But up 'til then, I don't see him as being particularly M >in the wrong - you referred to XPDNT updating a DECterm status line; he said ? >he didn't have a DECterm, and you guys were off to the races.)   + Prompt *or* title *or* status line, said I.       M >Your technical contributions are extremely valuable to the VMS community and E >to comp.os.vms in particular, so I very much hope you won't go away.    ;)   --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2004 07:19:37 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: Re, Re : set prompt= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0408250619.12fd15b9@posting.google.com>   e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<412AA189.2C33B015@comcast.net>...  > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:
 > > [snip]J > > I want DCL to offer an option to add the time to the DCL prompt -- theH > > time that the prompt appeared. This is how it works in MS-DOS and onE > > Stratus's VOS. That's what I am asking for. I am not asking for a D > > clock. I have a clock already. I want to be able to go back to aD > > session, either still in the SmarTerm history buffer or copy andH > > pasted to a file on the VAX, and have the times in the prompts. ThisJ > > gives clues as to what happened when. It is not a comprehensive set ofJ > > time stamps, but it is better than no time stamps. It might be nice toG > > also have at least the day as an added option as sometimes the time D > > alone is not enough (for example if you come back to a session a0 > > couple of days later and run more commands). > H > Some old advice (from Hoff?) was to write a short DCL "shell" proc. to3 > write out the time before accepting input, as in:  >  > $loop: > $ write sys$output f$time()  > $ read sys$command line 
 > $ 'line'
 > $ goto loop   A The problem with this is that it dies with a ^Y and loses command C recall. I don't want to lose command recall in favor of timestamps.   J > (Horribly over-simplified, but that's the essence of it, I think.) A bit+ > crude, but would at least show the times.   C Maybe the original, not-over-simplified version would work. Can you  find it? [...]  > F > I also have a TIME_COMMAND.COM proc. that shows the start time, stopI > time and elapsed time for a command (using P1 through P8 as the command I > elements, and grabbing F$CVTIME( ,, "TIME" ) before and after and using # > F$CVTIME() to calc. the elapsed).   B I wrote my own version of this using a trick with F$CVTIME() I saw= posted once (which is probably the same trick you use in your 	 version).    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2004 07:22:31 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: Re, Re : set prompt= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0408250622.69ce7aac@posting.google.com>   f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<xGGwrQH2Zb$J@eisner.encompasserve.org>...H > In article <10il9a9c1qpgmc7@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes: > > gngn wrote:  > > W > >> Because i have some unix habits. I prefer to see where i'am or where a user is. =)  > >>   > >>  8 > >>>Takes too much space.  What's wrong with SHO DEF or< > >>> PWD == "show default"  if the user wants to know where > >>>he is?  > >  > > What's wrong with: > >  > > $ set prompt="''f$dir()> " >  >  > $ show default6 >   EISNER$DRA3:[DECUSERVE_USER.YOUNG_R.NEWS-EXTRACTS] > $ set prompt = "''f$dir()'> " 9 > %DCL-E-STRTOOLNG, string argument is too long - shorten  > 	 > 				Rob   O Also, when you change your default, the prompt will still have the old default.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2004 07:30:09 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: Re, Re : set prompt= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0408250630.3a341d77@posting.google.com>   n "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<2p1o1cFg4ct6U1@uni-berlin.de>... > Alan E. Feldman wrote: > >...H > > be able to go into the (SmarTerm) history buffer and see a timestampI > > before each DCL prompt. I don't what to have to press ^T every time I J > > run a command just so that I CAN LATER LOOK AT A LOG OF MY SESSION AND > > SEE TIMESTAMPS.  > > ...  >  > : > When you asked the same thing this past May I suggested;Q > http://groups.google.ca/groups?selm=2g9v3pFbovpU1%40uni-berlin.de&output=gplain  > did you ever try it?  F No, because I don't want to lose command recall. Thanks just the same! But I'll try it now. ...  ...   C Yes, this does what I want. It's slightly different from MS-DOS and F Straus VOS in that the timestamps tell you when commands began insteadF of when they finished, but that is a minor thing. I don't want to lose command recall, though.   G > What I have always wanted (at least since a particular night in 1984) B > was for any string written to SYS$ERROR to include the time. ie. >  > $ shwo device d E > %DCL-W-IVVERB, 24-AUG-2004 16:49:15.23, unrecognized command verb -  > check validity and spelling  > \SHWO\ > $  > F > along with SET MESSAGE /[NO]TIMESTAMP, maybe Guy can get that in for
 > V9.0????  E Cool. I'd also like to see (when running a DCL command procedure) the 7 command that caused the error displayed with the error.    $ @EXCITING_PROGRAM A %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening ASDF:[FELDMAN.DCL.PROMPT]*.*;* as  input A -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for 	 operation  Command was "$ DIR ASDF:"     @ Thanks for posting. And thanks again for your previous help with EVE/TPU.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2004 08:50:17 -07000 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)* Subject: Shadow Merge is Killing Me - help= Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0408250750.46ba23e2@posting.google.com>   C I am running a 3-node cluster (1 GS1280 and 2 ES40's) with a common E system disk, OpenVMS Version 7.3-1.   I am using host-based shadowing D with all volumes mounted on all systems.   I have 2 pr of HSG80 disk? controllers, each pr supplies one unit to each shadowset.   The E controllers are dual pathed via redundent fabrics to the hosts.   The D cluster interconnect is via redundant, private GB ethernet segments.E      I had one of my ES40 systems crash at 09:10 Monday 23rd, no disk @ merges resulted from this.    The problem was determined to be aE couple of memory dimms.    Since this was a production system, and it A had rebooted ok, we decided to run until non-working hours before F bringing the system down for repair.   This was scheduled for 21:30.  F Unfortunately, the system crashed again at ~17:30, and after rebootingF it was noted that all disks were "merging".    The memory was replacedD at that time, and the system brought back up.    Unfortunately, I amF now in the position of trying to deal with the effect of the "merges".  A    RIGHT NOW, PERFORMANCE IS SO POOR, MY USERS ARE TREATING US ASV "DOWN"  D      First of all, can anyone explain why I edned up merging at all,D since two nodes were up and had the volumes mounted throughout theseF events.   (this was not an issue with CI clusters, so long as one node& remained up with the volumes mounted).B      I have to get my disks re-synched, either merged or copied.  E Logic tells me that it should be less disruptive to merge, however it B would probably be quicker to copy, is this a reasonable statement?F      Are there methods to "tune", or administer the merge/copy processA so that I can get my volumes re-synched with a minimum of impact?e  8 One last comment, I have a 20 x 35GB Volumes Oracle DB     Any suggestions?   Dave.F   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:51:47 +0200I  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>T Subject: Re: SKHPC's Latest Take on IPF and Post-Superdome Technology From HP  World- Message-ID: <cgi923$1sl4$1@news.cybercity.dk>D   Bill Todd wrote:7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message]8 > news:d7791aa1.0408241513.f69239a@posting.google.com... >- > ...- >- ... clip8 >   It certainly can't run a high end system like alpha. > : > Really?  Care to provide very specific evidence why not? >t > - bill  G Well, that is a good question Bill.  It seems that the argument bandied K arround for the Itanic is that it *is* in some way more capable for top-endhD machines than the X86 chips which must be by definition lacking some important chip-level features.  L I have no clue why this should be the case, though I seem to see this notion2 expressed at regular intervals by Itanic boosters.  H Is the Itanic intrinsically "better" for Superdome class machines, or is3 this just all hot air from the Itanic boiler room ?n  
 Dr. Dweeb.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:16:06 -0400y( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>T Subject: Re: SKHPC's Latest Take on IPF and Post-Superdome Technology From HP  World, Message-ID: <412CBB46.9020607@tsoft-inc.com>   Dr. Dweeb wrote:   > Bill Todd wrote: > 7 >>"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagee8 >>news:d7791aa1.0408241513.f69239a@posting.google.com... >> >>...M >> >>
 > ... clip > 8 >>  It certainly can't run a high end system like alpha. >>: >>Really?  Care to provide very specific evidence why not? >> >>- bill >> > I > Well, that is a good question Bill.  It seems that the argument bandiedgM > arround for the Itanic is that it *is* in some way more capable for top-endaF > machines than the X86 chips which must be by definition lacking some  > important chip-level features.    N Number of registers.  I think that Opteron has more registers than other x86, A read something like that at one time.  Don't really know details.s    N > I have no clue why this should be the case, though I seem to see this notion4 > expressed at regular intervals by Itanic boosters.    7 Seems you've answered your question, "Itanic boosters".     J > Is the Itanic intrinsically "better" for Superdome class machines, or is5 > this just all hot air from the Itanic boiler room ?e    N Right now, I'd think that Opteron would be better.  It has some on-chip glue, = similar to EV7, for multi-processors.  Itanic today has none.w     Dave   -- n4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadu Vanderbilt, PA  15486l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:47:49 -0600i From: "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com>Y Subject: Re: SKHPC's Latest Take on IPF and Post-Superdome Technology From HP World HP Wot5 Message-ID: <Wo3Xc.388$Sc3.264@fe39.usenetserver.com>i   Paul Repacholi wrote:   . > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >  > @ >>Note how carefully Terry refers to x86-64 as 'extensions' to aD >>32-bit architecture, rather than as an actual 64-bit architecture.: >>Kind of makes you wonder why he doesn't refer to IA32 as@ >>'extensions' to a 16-bit architecture, doesn't it?  After all," >>that's exactly the same concept. >  > = > Perhaps they could have done a virtual address extention...s   like a ia16/vax/vax ?t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:23:48 +0200u  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> Subject: Re: Whither RAID?- Message-ID: <cgiau4$1ump$1@news.cybercity.dk>t   John Smith wrote:-@ > Any half-assed RAID solution would have probably obviated this1 > problem. Any half-baked cluster would have too.j >: clip ---  A Not really.  I suggest that a better OS, plus an effective backups( implementation might have helped though.  F I lost a chunk of my mail (amongst other things) when Win2K decided toL arbitrarily lay waste to some directory structures, files etc.  I now have aH RAID-1 version of directories which are destroyed and in which files areL missing.  Since then, one of my relatively new SATA RAID-1 disks has died as well (another story).v  L It is a common mistake to think that RAID-X is some kind of panacea.  Only aK correct and regular backup strategy can save you from the sort of failure IlE experienced.  Indeed, it may be exactly this type of failure that theu article referred to.  I Now, why Win2K acually went on the rampage I cannot say.  All of a suddenhG files started getting marked/reported as corrupt and/or missing, errorshD popping up all over the place and the machine eventually died.  UponG startup, CHKDISK went to work, and after about 7 reboots, where CHKDISKyA continued to eat/recover files and directories, I ended up with a.L functioning system, some missing drivers, no mailbox files and 157 found.xxxH directories containing either 0-byte stub files or actual files (some of: which were still where they belonged as well - go figure).  L Now, since all my incoming mail is still on my server, I guess all I need to; do is figure out how to get them to download again into OE.h    	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:14:22 -0400y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Whither RAID?, Message-ID: <412CC8EA.A63BE00C@teksavvy.com>   "Dr. Dweeb" wrote:C > Not really.  I suggest that a better OS, plus an effective backupp* > implementation might have helped though.  R Ok, the message stated that they lost all emails between two certain time periods.   So the possibilities are:   J Lost physical drives, data reloaded from backup which had been done at the# start of the period of lost emails.e  N Software problems which sent all incoming emails to a big bit bucket, and took some time to detect.  K Software or operator problems which resulted in a whole directory structure > being deleted or corrupted, forcing restoration of old backup.  J Only the first problem would have been helped by a RAID solution. In otherK situations, the RAID array would have simply executed OS commands to delete.	 the data.e    M Where a good RAID array might have helped is if they use the volume shadowing_F to execute backups (take one mirror offline on a daily basis to have aI snapshot of that day, and this is much faster than real backups to tape).0  E What this is indicative howevere is a windows weenie issue. Hiring ofBF inexperienced system managers who think that because they played spaceM invadors, they are qualified to run a data center because it runs on Windows.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:14:20 +0200s- From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr>v Subject: [OT] 25-AUG-1944 4 Message-ID: <412c2e3d$0$11636$626a14ce@news.free.fr>  H Sixty years ago, General Leclerc de Hautecloque entered Paris thanks to  the Allied Forces.   Merci.  E (after all, you'll get sanity check news twice a year, aren't you :-)i   D. -- o            ~ AIR SOFT GUNS ~          190 avenue St Exupry          31400 Toulouse France           +33(0)5 61 20 77 61h           +33(0)6 79 83 64 18e          www.air-soft-guns.org  !      Organisateurs de CAYLUS 2004v& www.airsoft-shop.com/opc/modules/news/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:46:07 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e Subject: [OT]: Whither RAID?, Message-ID: <gNedndG9rNW5BbHcRVn-rQ@igs.net>  K Any half-assed RAID solution would have probably obviated this problem. Anyt" half-baked cluster would have too.    5 http://www.gov.on.ca/LAB/english/news/2004/04-94.htmlh  A IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING E-MAILS SENT TO THE MINISTRY OF LABOURgL TORONTO--Due to a computer failure, e-mails received by the Ontario Ministry7 of Labour and the agencies listed below have been lost.R  I This affects e-mails sent between 9 p.m. on Monday, August 16, 2004 and 6hD a.m. on Wednesday, August 18, 2004. Anyone who sent an e-mail to theF ministry or one of these agencies during this period should re-submit.  K Affected e-mails may have included legally required notices, time-sensitivePC correspondence, job applications or inquiries on ministry positionsnF currently advertised, including health and safety inspector positions.  I All affected e-mails were destroyed by the computer failure - there is nonK electronic record of these messages. However, confidential information thatrK may have been contained in e-mails or attachments has not been compromised.-  H E-mails sent to other Ontario government ministries, offices or agencies0 have not been affected by this computer failure.  E For those whose e-mail job applications were lost due to the computer I failure, the ministry is giving extensions on deadlines. Job applications F sent by e-mail between 9 p.m. on Monday, August 16, 2004 and 6 a.m. onA Wednesday, August 18, 2004 for all advertised positions should beeG re-submitted by 5 p.m., Wednesday, September 1, 2004 (or the applicablet) closing date if after September 1, 2004).o  ' The ministry regrets any inconvenience.n   Affected offices and agencies:9         a.. All Ministry of Labour offices across Ontariom*         b.. Ontario Labour Relations Board*         c.. Office of the Employer Advisor(         d.. Office of the Worker Advisor,         e.. Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario#      a.. Grievance Settlement BoardB!         b.. Pay Equity Commission (         c.. Pay Equity Hearings Tribunal"         d.. Jobs Protection Office     -30-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:27:55 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>u  Subject: Re: [OT]: Whither RAID?, Message-ID: <412CAFFA.93AE5EE6@teksavvy.com>   John Smith wrote: C > IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING E-MAILS SENT TO THE MINISTRY OF LABOURTN > TORONTO--Due to a computer failure, e-mails received by the Ontario Ministry9 > of Labour and the agencies listed below have been lost.  >   I I wonder if this was microsoft problem, a hardware problem or a microsofthM weenie error. It would be most interesting to get follow ups on what happenedlN and what steps the ontaoreo government will take as a result of this disaster.  L If it was microsoft software that zapped all emails, then I would have liked0 to see the word microsoft in that press release.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:38:08 -0400n# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e  Subject: Re: [OT]: Whither RAID?, Message-ID: <WZadnS1Ot-P4L7HcRVn-sg@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:S > John Smith wrote:iD >> IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING E-MAILS SENT TO THE MINISTRY OF LABOURF >> TORONTO--Due to a computer failure, e-mails received by the OntarioC >> Ministry of Labour and the agencies listed below have been lost.l >> >(A > I wonder if this was microsoft problem, a hardware problem or a D > microsoft weenie error. It would be most interesting to get followG > ups on what happened and what steps the ontaoreo government will takei > as a result of this disaster.a >eC > If it was microsoft software that zapped all emails, then I woulde= > have liked to see the word microsoft in that press release.s    9 I can find out but my contact is on vacation for a while.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.471 ************************