1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 31 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 482       Contents:! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???  Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: CSWS 2.0 + TCPware 5.6 ???3 Re: CSWS v2.0 & CSWS_PHP v1.2 - "php4_module" error 3 Re: CSWS v2.0 & CSWS_PHP v1.2 - "php4_module" error < Re: How many key pieces of VMS infrastructure depend on BEA? Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived& Re: IP over new Fibrechannel adapters? Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????  Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????  Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????  Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????  Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????  Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????  Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????  Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????  OpenVMS running on HP 3000's  Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000's  RE: OpenVMS running on HP 3000's  Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000's  Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000's  Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000's  Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000's  Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000's! Re: problems setting up a cluster ! Re: problems setting up a cluster ! Re: problems setting up a cluster " Somewhat OT: Is AMD the new Intel?& Re: Somewhat OT: Is AMD the new Intel? Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ??? Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ???  VAXstation 4000-90 , SPX and KVT$ Re: VAXstation 4000-90 , SPX and KVT$ Re: VAXstation 4000-90 , SPX and KVT$ Re: VAXstation 4000-90 , SPX and KVT  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2004 18:21:39 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???* Message-ID: <2ph9hjFk3hsoU1@uni-berlin.de>  9 In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEKADLAA.tom@kednos.com>, & 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: >  >  > < -----Original Message-----H > < From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu]On Behalf Of > < Bill Gunshannon ) > < Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:46 AM  > < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - > < Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent... ???  > <  > < 7 > < In article <903IUJqlZACx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, B > < 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:A > < > In article <2p7736FgahptU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu  > < (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > < >>J > < >> What?  I doubt there was ever a time when the number of VMS systemsI > < >> outnumbered Unix Systems.  Unix ran on nearly everything including C > < >> many of the VAXen DEC sold.  VMS ran on nothing but the VAX.  > < >> > < > I > < >    For most of the 80's UNIX was a little broken down OS that folks H > < >    at universities played around with.  Meanwhile DEC sold tons of# > < >    VAXen, mostly running VMS.  > < ? > < Ummmmm.....  DEC was selling Ultrix-11 starting in 1982 and = > < Ultrix-32 in 1984.  Both were commercial products with no ? > < connection to the BSD distributions.  The PDP-11 Sourcebook D > < is loaded with commercial applications that ran under Ultrix-11.. > < I'll bet the VAX Sourcebook had even more. > 0 > Ultrix was derived from BSD4.1, as I recall.    D Of course it was, but the argument above was that "UNIX was a littleF broken down OS that folks at universities played around with" and thatH just wasn't true.  By the the 80's UNIX was already commerically viable.C DEC was selling Ultrix (in more than one flavor), XENIX was already F available (it was always commercial),  Eunice (for what it was worth),G Venix, even HPUX by 1982.  By the 80's even AT&T was selling commercial  Unix licenses.    K >                                               In 1982 I believe ther were  > very few Unix boxes,    E Define very few?  I would bet there were more Unix boxes in 1982 than 9 VMS boxes, which was the original concept of this thread.   H >                      that is about when  a number of companies started > producing 
 > 68K boxes,    G Not sure what that has to do with it.  While the advent of the 68K made I for a lot of cheap Unix boxes, there were lots of commercial Unix systems H running on everything else.  WE32000, Prime 50 series, Amdahl IBM Clone,H VAX, PDP-11, Univac 1100,  Unix was available in one form or another forC nearly everything.  VMS ran on the VAX and not even on all of them.   I >            and I would imagine that there were a larger number of VAXen  > until  > sometime after 1986   G Of course there were, and a lot of them were running Unix, both SYSTEMV H and BSD.  Simple example.  I was working at the West Point, NY from 1980G until 1988.  There was a large collection of computers running all over G the campus.  Tandy's running XENIX, Primes running PRIMIX, Next running H whatever they called their flavor of Unix, CT Miniframes, 3B2's, 3B20's,B UNIVAC 5000's all running some flavor of Unix.  There was one VAX,D running VMS.  It also ran Eunice which was what most users prefered.D The only reason it ran VMS was because they needed the validated ADAD compiler and at that time you were pretty much limited to VAX/VMS orA Siemens.  All the non- military applications (like admissions and G gradekeeping) were done on UNIVAC under Exec8.  All the business stuff, H (civilian payroll, HR, logistics) were done on IBM Mainframes.  Oh yeah,G and to be fair, the library had a GEAC.  :-)  Unix systems ran from 50% 9 to 70% of the total number.  VMS was never more than one.   B I came here to the University in 1989.  There was IBM for businessD applications, one VAX for academic use running VMS and several dozenC SUN Servers and Workstations.  While VMS eventually elbowed the IBM E systems out the door, they never grew to any great numbers.  There is G still only one academic VMS machine and it's use is discouraged.  It is @ mostly for (you guessed it!) legacy qpplications elbowed the IBME systems out the door, they never grew to any great numbers.  There is G still only one academic VMS machine and it's use is discouraged.  It is D mostly for (you guessed it!) legacy applications.  It may be nice toC think that VMS once drove the industry, but sadly, history does not  reflect that reality.    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:40:36 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>* Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???6 Message-ID: <413374a3$0$22756$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  6 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message $ news:2ph9hjFk3hsoU1@uni-berlin.de... <SNIP>G > Define very few?  I would bet there were more Unix boxes in 1982 than ; > VMS boxes, which was the original concept of this thread. I >> that is about when  a number of companies started producing 68K boxes,  > I > Not sure what that has to do with it.  While the advent of the 68K made K > for a lot of cheap Unix boxes, there were lots of commercial Unix systems J > running on everything else.  WE32000, Prime 50 series, Amdahl IBM Clone, <SNIP>I > the campus.  Tandy's running XENIX, Primes running PRIMIX, Next running  <SNIP>  L Calling Primix a UNIX OS is stretching things massively, it was a dodgy app  that ran under Primos.  G You could if you like equate it to GNV on VMS, although in my view GNV   performs far better.   (From the Primos FAQ)   @ Primix is an application program which ran under Primos releasesD 19.4 and above. It gives the user a "Unix-like" front-end to Primos.? Its main problem was that one user under Primix placed the same * load on the system as twenty normal users.   Alex     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:43:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???, Message-ID: <4133754A.A0916E7A@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:J > just wasn't true.  By the the 80's UNIX was already commerically viable.E > DEC was selling Ultrix (in more than one flavor), XENIX was already H > available (it was always commercial),  Eunice (for what it was worth),I > Venix, even HPUX by 1982.  By the 80's even AT&T was selling commercial  > Unix licenses.  N But to whom were these licences being sold ? Universities ? Research labs ? or Wall Street brokerage houses ?  N Seems to me that Unix didn't start to become commercially trendy in mainstreamM corporate environments until early 1990s. Before that, large corporations may > have had Unix machines, but they were islands in some R&D lab.    J > running on everything else.  WE32000, Prime 50 series, Amdahl IBM Clone,  M Most Amdhal machines ran MVS. But yes, Amdhal did have a version of Unix that 3 ran on 3270 terminals, but it really really sucked.    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2004 19:06:59 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???* Message-ID: <2phc6jFke0t9U1@uni-berlin.de>  6 In article <413374a3$0$22756$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,? 	"Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes: 8 > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message & > news:2ph9hjFk3hsoU1@uni-berlin.de... > <SNIP>H >> Define very few?  I would bet there were more Unix boxes in 1982 than< >> VMS boxes, which was the original concept of this thread.J >>> that is about when  a number of companies started producing 68K boxes, >>J >> Not sure what that has to do with it.  While the advent of the 68K madeL >> for a lot of cheap Unix boxes, there were lots of commercial Unix systemsK >> running on everything else.  WE32000, Prime 50 series, Amdahl IBM Clone,  > <SNIP>J >> the campus.  Tandy's running XENIX, Primes running PRIMIX, Next running > <SNIP> > N > Calling Primix a UNIX OS is stretching things massively, it was a dodgy app  > that ran under Primos. > I > You could if you like equate it to GNV on VMS, although in my view GNV   > performs far better.  G It was pretty much the same concept as Eunice under VMS.  It had pretty B deep hooks into Primos and was a bit more than "an application".     >  > (From the Primos FAQ)  > B > Primix is an application program which ran under Primos releasesF > 19.4 and above. It gives the user a "Unix-like" front-end to Primos.A > Its main problem was that one user under Primix placed the same , > load on the system as twenty normal users.  D That is a good description of The GaTech Software Tools VOS.  PrimixC went a bit deeper than that.  Oh and although politics kept it from B ever seeing the light of day, there was also a native mode port of2 Unix for the Prime 50 series that was done by UNH.   bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2004 19:16:03 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???* Message-ID: <2phcnjFke0t9U2@uni-berlin.de>  , In article <4133754A.A0916E7A@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:K >> just wasn't true.  By the the 80's UNIX was already commerically viable. F >> DEC was selling Ultrix (in more than one flavor), XENIX was alreadyI >> available (it was always commercial),  Eunice (for what it was worth), J >> Venix, even HPUX by 1982.  By the 80's even AT&T was selling commercial >> Unix licenses.  > P > But to whom were these licences being sold ? Universities ? Research labs ? or  > Wall Street brokerage houses ?  E Universities and Research Labs never bought commercial licenses.  DEC E bought a commercial license. This allowed them to sell Ultrix (in all E it's flavors) to business customers who used it for all kinds of real A work.  Sun bought a commercial license which allowed them to sell F SunOS and eventually Solaris.  Do you think only schools bought SUN's?   > P > Seems to me that Unix didn't start to become commercially trendy in mainstreamO > corporate environments until early 1990s. Before that, large corporations may @ > have had Unix machines, but they were islands in some R&D lab.  K Don't fool yourself.  As I said, I still have my PDP-11 and VAX Sourcebooks J and there are a lot of commerical applications in both of them for Ultrix.J And the prices tend to be more than most schools could cough up so I wouldI guess the buyers were actually making money using their machines in order  to justify buying the software.    >  > K >> running on everything else.  WE32000, Prime 50 series, Amdahl IBM Clone,  > O > Most Amdhal machines ran MVS. But yes, Amdhal did have a version of Unix that 5 > ran on 3270 terminals, but it really really sucked.   H Can't say anything about that. My experience in that field is limited to< seeing programs with #ifdef's for Amdahl UTS on IBM systems.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:59:55 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>* Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???0 Message-ID: <87n00cl7lw.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   W > In article <2p7736FgahptU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   F >> What?  I doubt there was ever a time when the number of VMS systemsE >> outnumbered Unix Systems.  Unix ran on nearly everything including ? >> many of the VAXen DEC sold.  VMS ran on nothing but the VAX.   E >    For most of the 80's UNIX was a little broken down OS that folks D >    at universities played around with.  Meanwhile DEC sold tons of >    VAXen, mostly running VMS.   E With the Vax, DEC pulled the plug on the edu software pricing. So you D could bye a 780 then pay another $30K odd for VMS, ot $200 for unix.E Guess what they did! And worked their buts off to get BSD good enough  to be usefull...  F >    I do not doubt that there was a time when more systems ran VMS on2 >    VAXen than all the UNIX systems put together.  C I find that doubtfull. There where lots of unix systems on day 0 of E the Vax. Lots of RSTS/E systems then too in fact. DEC headed down the E drain in the edu sector so fast your head span. But it was not highly C visable because of all those formed RSTS users who now bought Vaxen " to run the company. For a while...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2004 16:29:50 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???3 Message-ID: <US5wJXhJeBEA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <2ph0dtFklj2aU4@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   = > Ummmmm.....  DEC was selling Ultrix-11 starting in 1982 and ; > Ultrix-32 in 1984.  Both were commercial products with no ' > connection to the BSD distributions.    F    Ultrix-32 was a rebadged BSD (with a little DEC tweaking).  It cameB    out when DEC noticed that some VAXen were being sold without anF    OS and found that most of those were getting BSD loaded.  MeanwhileE    they were selling hughe numbers of VAXen running VMS.  The rule of F    thumb was if you wanted to do a software based system, you went out?    and bought a VAX and everybidy assumed it was running VMS.   E    Occaisionally you bought something else.  By the middle 80's when  E    lots of companies were trying to sell 68K systems running BSD you  B    started wondering if you were ever going to have to learn UNIX.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2004 16:42:54 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???3 Message-ID: <OkLple99UOUe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <2ph9hjFk3hsoU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > F > Of course it was, but the argument above was that "UNIX was a littleH > broken down OS that folks at universities played around with" and that > just wasn't true.   C    That was the general impression at the time.  AT&T had tried and C    failed to make UNIX a commerical product, DEC had refused to buy B    it, and it was known for a few good ideas long since surpassed.H    We weren't even hearing the "UNIX is the silver bullet" speaches yet.  I > Not sure what that has to do with it.  While the advent of the 68K made K > for a lot of cheap Unix boxes, there were lots of commercial Unix systems J > running on everything else.  WE32000, Prime 50 series, Amdahl IBM Clone,J > VAX, PDP-11, Univac 1100,  Unix was available in one form or another forE > nearly everything.  VMS ran on the VAX and not even on all of them.   G    There were a lot of computer models that UNIX had been ported to by  K    then, but not necessarily a large number of systems actually running it. J    Just as there were never a large number of non-Intel computers running =    WNT even though there were several architectures that did.   I > Of course there were, and a lot of them were running Unix, both SYSTEMV J > and BSD.  Simple example.  I was working at the West Point, NY from 1980I > until 1988.  There was a large collection of computers running all over 
 > the campus.   G    Campus, as in University (or Academy)?  That is where UNIX was.  Off     campus, it was not.  D > I came here to the University in 1989.  There was IBM for businessF > applications, one VAX for academic use running VMS and several dozenF > SUN Servers and Workstations.   While VMS eventually elbowed the IBM= > systems out the door, they never grew to any great numbers.   F   Again, you're on a campus.  And by the late 80's RISC chips were outD   and commercial users had taken the pain of migrating onto UNIX forF   the raw CPU power.  DEC was getting into trouble still thinking theyG   were a hardware manufacturer.  UNIX was coming out everywhere and we     all had learned it.   H   I wish somebody did have the numbers, I'd expect the total VMS systemsH   outnumbered the total UNIX systems for a few years in the early to mid   80's.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:14:04 +0200 + From: Wilm Boerhout <w3.boerhout@planet.nl> # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 6 Message-ID: <41338b73$0$13924$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>   Bob Koehler wrote:  K >>Sneakernet may be disabled as well by Charon-VAX. Just assign the floppy  F >>and the CDROM drive to their VMS counterpart within Charon-VAX, and K >>$ALLOCATE the VMS drive for those devices. Then Windows won't be able to   >>read from them.  >  > % >    I hope you don't have a USB bus.   G Now here's a real concern. Yes, we have a USB bus. We have to, because  E Charon-VAX is licenced through a Aladdin USB key. So, one of the USB  G slots is permanently plugged with this key. Most servers have a number  C of USB slots however, and those are open for insertion with memory  H sticks, MP3 players and what have you. Viruses and other nasty bugs may   indeed be spread by this method.  D Most sites counter this by locking the system in a server rack with 6 locked doors. That may or may not be enough for you...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:24:47 +0200 + From: Wilm Boerhout <w3.boerhout@planet.nl> # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 5 Message-ID: <41338d45$0$2416$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>   B To -maybe- conclude this discussion: VMS is an insecure operating G system, because anyone can walk up to the system console, type CTRL/P,  " and cause major denial of service.   Huh?     --  
 Wilm Boerhout  Zwolle, The Netherlands    wilmOLD@PAINTboerhout.nl2    (remove OLD PAINT from this address before use)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:25:45 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk># Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 6 Message-ID: <41338d47$0$22761$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  9 "Wilm Boerhout" <w3.boerhout@planet.nl> wrote in message  0 news:41338b73$0$13924$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl... > Bob Koehler wrote: > L >>>Sneakernet may be disabled as well by Charon-VAX. Just assign the floppy G >>>and the CDROM drive to their VMS counterpart within Charon-VAX, and  L >>>$ALLOCATE the VMS drive for those devices. Then Windows won't be able to  >>>read from them. >> >>& >>    I hope you don't have a USB bus. > I > Now here's a real concern. Yes, we have a USB bus. We have to, because  M > Charon-VAX is licenced through a Aladdin USB key. So, one of the USB slots  J > is permanently plugged with this key. Most servers have a number of USB J > slots however, and those are open for insertion with memory sticks, MP3 H > players and what have you. Viruses and other nasty bugs may indeed be  > spread by this method. > M > Most sites counter this by locking the system in a server rack with locked  1 > doors. That may or may not be enough for you...   J I have a question, I can't believe there would never be scenarios where I E wouldn't have to access the windows part of the charon installation,  J probably more so as I'm not connecting to the network to apply the weekly  patches.  M Then comes the issue of  remote support, would that not be a problem at some  E sites. At some places I have worked, I have supported boxes in other  G counties, and who wants to be going in the office at 3am even if it is  L local. But the minute I put the windows part on the network, Im open to all  the virus' et al.    Alex     ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2004 15:54:03 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 3 Message-ID: <mLHrcYPNjVoc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <413346D3.5020605@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:   H > You are generalizing the original topic of discussion, that is, using E > Windows 2000 or XP as a hosting OS for the sole purpose of running  D > CHARON-VAX, and whether the Windows OS could be secured enough to > > prevent virus/trojan infection or compromise - which it can!  F    I am not convinced that virii, tojan horses, and such, that we dealD    with every day, are the only vulnerabilities that Windows has.  I@    agree with the idea of physical security, which would cut off>    sneakernet.  I do not agree that an isolated Windows systemA    should be considered secure.  Perhaps I have a broader concept F    of security, but any system that goes BSOD on me on a regular basisE    is not secure (reliability is a security requirement).  Any system H    that requires admin privileges for routine daily users is not secure.  F    If you lock the Windows machine in a vault with nothing comming outF    but the power cord and the VMS-only ethernet connection, I will not    believe it is secure.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2004 15:56:47 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 3 Message-ID: <Miq30mPRLzLu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <4133433A.6000405@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:   K > Which can still be disabled.  You seem hell-bent on proving that Windows  G > cannot be gutted to the point of being a viable hosting platform for  B > CHARON-VAX.  If you had spent as much time actually testing and K > evaluating the product, as I did, rather than attempting to find ways to  J > prove it isn't a potential solution, you might have very well purchased E > CHARON by now, presuming you even have a commercial need for VAX...   E    I have commercial needs for several VAXen.  I use real VAXen.  I'm E    considering replacing some of them with Charon-VAX.  Others simply A    require real-time capabilities that I can't rely on Windows to     support.   H    But if I replace a hardware VAX with a Charon-VAX, it will be becauseG    I can live with the security level provided by a properly hacked off 2    Windows, not because I consider Windows secure.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2004 15:57:44 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 3 Message-ID: <WJ8o7CE7OV4Q@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <41338d45$0$2416$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>, Wilm Boerhout <w3.boerhout@planet.nl> writes:  > D > To -maybe- conclude this discussion: VMS is an insecure operating I > system, because anyone can walk up to the system console, type CTRL/P,  $ > and cause major denial of service.  ?    I think we already agreed on the need for physical security.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:13:00 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca># Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? * Message-ID: <2phjitFl1fglU1@uni-berlin.de>   Bob Koehler wrote: >...H >    of security, but any system that goes BSOD on me on a regular basisG >    is not secure (reliability is a security requirement).  Any system  >...  D Not that I like repeating myself, but to quote what I said some time ago;  ?   As Robert Boers has said before "Windows is remarkably stable ?   if it is not used." Meaning that if you turn off services you =   do not need and nobody is running various applications then ?   Windows XP can keep running until you decide to shut it down.   9   SRI had their on-line CHARON-VAX on Windows demo system =   running for over 1 year until they decided to take it down.     E Bob, contact a VAR that is local to you and have them setup a box for E you. Depending on what you're paying for maintenance on your hardware H VAX you might find yourself competing with Barry for the customer of the year award soon.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:19:48 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? ' Message-ID: <413399F4.9050205@MMaz.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:  G >   If you lock the Windows machine in a vault with nothing comming out G >   but the power cord and the VMS-only ethernet connection, I will not  >   believe it is secure.  >    > I This sounds like pure Windows prejudice, which is fine if that is all it  H is, I can accept that (as I felt the same way going into the CHARON-VAX F project), but if you believe that there is a technical basis for your F position, I would love to here it, and perhaps even argue it, because G the way I see it, the *ONLY* Windows driver exposed to the world would  I be NDIS5, which is a very basic, and simple driver, so the exploit would  I have to occur there and I would be very fascinated as to how you believe   that might occur...      Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:22:04 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? ' Message-ID: <41339A7C.8010903@MMaz.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:  d >In article <41338d45$0$2416$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>, Wilm Boerhout <w3.boerhout@planet.nl> writes: >    > D >>To -maybe- conclude this discussion: VMS is an insecure operating I >>system, because anyone can walk up to the system console, type CTRL/P,  $ >>and cause major denial of service. >>     >> > @ >   I think we already agreed on the need for physical security. >  >    > E Amen, common ground which does eliminate all prior concerns directly  F related to physical hacking of the box (ie. floppy, CD, DVD, USB, FW, F plugging in alternate boot drives, or, as mentioned above, CTRL/P and % booting with an alternate SYSTARTUP)!      Barry      --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:38:50 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk># Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 6 Message-ID: <41339e67$0$22765$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  7 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message  ! news:413399F4.9050205@MMaz.com...  <SNIP>) > This sounds like pure Windows prejudice  <SNIP>K >, but if you believe that there is a technical basis for your position, I  M >would love to here it, and perhaps even argue it, because the way I see it,  K >the *ONLY* Windows driver exposed to the world would be NDIS5, which is a  M >very basic, and simple driver, so the exploit would have to occur there and  E >I would be very fascinated as to how you believe that might occur...  <SNIP>  > I hope Bob won't mind me answering for him, but this is how...   Regards    Alex*                               @stake, Inc.-                               www.atstake.com   .                              Security Advisory  D Advisory Name: Etherleak: Ethernet frame padding information leakage  Release Date: 01/06/2003 .   Application: Ethernet device driver software      Platform: Multiple %      Severity: Information disclosure 1       Authors: Ofir Arkin <ofir@sys-security.com>                 Josh AndersonD Vendor Status: Multiple vendors alerted via CERT Coordination Center CVE Candidate: CAN-2003-0001E     Reference: www.atstake.com/research/advisories/2003/a010603-1.txt     	 Overview:   > Multiple platform ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC) deviceA drivers incorrectly handle frame padding, allowing an attacker to C view slices of previously transmitted packets or portions of kernel E memory. This vulnerability is the result of incorrect implementations C of RFC requirements and poor programming practices, the combination B of which results in several variations of this information leakage vulnerability.  B The simplest attack using this vulnerability would be to send ICMP= echo messages to a machine with a vulnerable ethernet driver. A Portions of kernel memory will be returned to the attacker in the A padding of the reply messages.  During testing we have found that ? the portions returned are typically snippets of network traffic ? that the vulnerable machine is handling.  This attack can allow D an attacker to see portions of the traffic that a router or firewallA is handling on network segments the attacker has no direct access > too.  It is important to note that the attacker must be on the> same ethernet network as the vulnerable machine to receive the ethernet frames.     Details:  8 @stake has prepared a detailed report on this issue. The? vulnerability is explored in its various manifestations through " code examples and packet captures.   Report available at:  E www.atstake.com/research/advisories/2003/atstake_etherleak_report.pdf      Vendor Response:  B Multiple platform and hardware vendors were contacted via the CERT; Coordination Center on  06/25/02.  Detailed vendor response > information is available in CERT vulnerability note VU#412115.     Recommendation:   C Contact the vendor of your ethernet device drivers or your hardware  vendor for a patch.   > End to end encryption technologies such as SSL, IPSEC, and SSHE should be used when transmitting sensitive data over a network. Using C encryption will help protect against this issue partly. It is not a @ complete solution because the kernel data leaked in the ethernet; frame padding is not always the IP packet data portion of anE previous frame.  Sometimes it is unencrypted IP header information orn other kernel memory.    7 Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) Information:r  C The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) project has assigned?> the following names to these issues.  These are candidates forD inclusion in the CVE list (http://cve.mitre.org), which standardizes names for security problems.  :   CAN-2003-0001 Ethernet frame padding information leakage    & @stake Vulnerability Reporting Policy:' http://www.atstake.com/research/policy/P  D @stake Advisory Archive: http://www.atstake.com/research/advisories/   PGP Key:+ http://www.atstake.com/research/pgp_key.asc   0 Copyright 2003 @stake, Inc. All rights reserved.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:28:04 -0700o+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>e# Subject: Re: charon vax emulator???e' Message-ID: <4133A9F4.6010004@MMaz.com>S   Alex Daniels wrote:K  8 >"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message " >news:413399F4.9050205@MMaz.com... ><SNIP>y >  S >e) >>This sounds like pure Windows prejudice? >>     >> ><SNIP>  >  a >?L >>, but if you believe that there is a technical basis for your position, I N >>would love to here it, and perhaps even argue it, because the way I see it, L >>the *ONLY* Windows driver exposed to the world would be NDIS5, which is a N >>very basic, and simple driver, so the exploit would have to occur there and F >>I would be very fascinated as to how you believe that might occur... >>     >> ><SNIP>s > ? >I hope Bob won't mind me answering for him, but this is how... 
 >Overview: > ? >Multiple platform ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC) deviceaB >drivers incorrectly handle frame padding, allowing an attacker toD >view slices of previously transmitted packets or portions of kernelF >memory. This vulnerability is the result of incorrect implementationsD >of RFC requirements and poor programming practices, the combinationC >of which results in several variations of this information leakage2 >vulnerability.- >lC >The simplest attack using this vulnerability would be to send ICMP > >echo messages to a machine with a vulnerable ethernet driver.B >Portions of kernel memory will be returned to the attacker in theB >padding of the reply messages.  During testing we have found that@ >the portions returned are typically snippets of network traffic@ >that the vulnerable machine is handling.  This attack can allowE >an attacker to see portions of the traffic that a router or firewallaB >is handling on network segments the attacker has no direct access? >too.  It is important to note that the attacker must be on the ? >same ethernet network as the vulnerable machine to receive thee >ethernet frames.  >  o >uI IMCP is of the TCP/IP protocol and as mentioned in prior postings, there  I is no TCP/IP stack running on Windows therefore there is no mechanism of  2 of forcing this flaw to surface on a host system.     A Additionally, since NDIS5 is just a latch so that the CHARON-VAX nI emulator can gain access to the hardware to emulate the NIC for VMS, you mG are then indirectly stating that VMS could be effected by this exploit nF because both VMS, as well as the IP stack of choice (TCP/IP, TCPware, I MultiNET), would have to be sufficiently flawed to allow for the packets lE to 'peek' into address space that isn't directly associated with the  I stack or task at hand...  I cannot state that this is impossible, but if sG it were true, that would directly imply that any real VAX hardware, as  I well as Alpha and Itanic, are also subject so this same VMS and IP stack e: flaw...  It just so happens, that isn't the case however: * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/JPLA-5BGP55    I All that said, this particular flaw is almost two years old and was very  F limited and specific in scope in that it could *ONLY* be exploited if B the hacking computer resided physically on the same subnet of the  system(s) being hacked...      Barryr     --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:33:34 -0700w+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>o# Subject: Re: charon vax emulator???r% Message-ID: <4133AB3E.10904@MMaz.com>n   Alex Daniels wrote:   8 >"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message " >news:413399F4.9050205@MMaz.com... ><SNIP>r >  h >f) >>This sounds like pure Windows prejudicea >>     >> ><SNIP>  >    > L >>, but if you believe that there is a technical basis for your position, I N >>would love to here it, and perhaps even argue it, because the way I see it, L >>the *ONLY* Windows driver exposed to the world would be NDIS5, which is a N >>very basic, and simple driver, so the exploit would have to occur there and F >>I would be very fascinated as to how you believe that might occur... >>     >> ><SNIP>h >v? >I hope Bob won't mind me answering for him, but this is how..., >N >  5 >'F Oh yes, I did also fail to mention that CERT and Intel confirmed that 7 NDIS5 was not susceptible to this above mentioned flaw:     #     Intel Information for VU#412115e   Date Notified 	06/25/2002l% Date Modified 	07/25/2003 03:41:40 PMh Status Summary 	Vulnerable           Vendor Statement  G Intel has done a complete audit of our Ethernet drivers and determined  G that we have very limited exposure to the reported security hole. Here d+ is a breakdown of our drivers and exposure:a   Windows:  F NDIS2       Version 3.2 of our NDIS2 driver resolves the vulnerability( NDIS3       No exposure to reported hole( NDIS4       No exposure to reported hole( NDIS5       No exposure to reported hole( NDIS5.1     No exposure to reported hole( ANS         No exposure to reported hole   OS/2:e  F NDIS2       Version 3.2 of our NDIS2 driver resolves the vulnerability   Novell:   E ODI         Version 2.13 of our ODI driver resolves the vulnerabilitye( C-Spec      No exposure to reported hole( ANS         No exposure to reported hole   Linux:  ( e100        No exposure to reported hole( e1000       No exposure to reported hole( ANS         No exposure to reported hole   SCO:  ( SCO5.x      No exposure to reported hole( UW7.x       No exposure to reported hole( UW8         No exposure to reported hole           US-CERT Addendum  4 The CERT/CC has no additional comments at this time.       -- k  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        -   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:54:06 +0100x< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk># Subject: Re: charon vax emulator???a6 Message-ID: <4133b00e$0$22758$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  7 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message n! news:4133A9F4.6010004@MMaz.com...r <SNIP>K > All that said, this particular flaw is almost two years old and was very tL > limited and specific in scope in that it could *ONLY* be exploited if the J > hacking computer resided physically on the same subnet of the system(s)  > being hacked...n <SNIP>  
 You said..  M >>>, but if you believe that there is a technical basis for your position, I nK >>>would love to here it, and perhaps even argue it, because the way I see  L >>>it, the *ONLY* Windows driver exposed to the world would be NDIS5, which J >>>is a very basic, and simple driver, so the exploit would have to occur I >>>there and I would be very fascinated as to how you believe that might o >>>occur...g  K As such, I was attempting to show how a "very basic, and simple driver" is   not immune to exploits.i  I Therefore I would not take it for granted that any windows box is secure  I just because it is only presenting a small part of itself to the outside d world.  G Nor do I believe it is practical for many sites, from a remote support -6 viewpoint to cut off the windows box from the network.   Alex F   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:45:28 -0400.) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>a' Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 + TCPware 5.6 ???t9 Message-ID: <j4OYc.7665$7i2.374775@news20.bellglobal.com>y  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message4 news:u0nwc.54129$Hn.1440541@news20.bellglobal.com...D > Thanks for your prompt response Martin. I downloaded and installedC > DRIVERS_V562P040 from www.process.com and it worked like a charm.  >u > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,e > Ontario, Canada.# > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/s > G During testing of SWS-2.0 (a.k.a. Apache for OpenVMS) I discovered thatnJ DHTML produced by HP-BASIC applications (via CGI-BIN) was being truncated.J I reported the problem to Process Software Corp and have just successfullyL tested their fix in ECO "DRIVERS_V562P050" (which should be made public very soon).   Thank you PSC.    
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,n Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------   Date: 30 AUG 2004 17:05:26 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)< Subject: Re: CSWS v2.0 & CSWS_PHP v1.2 - "php4_module" error6 Message-ID: <30AUG04.17052689@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  * In a previous article, "Rick Barry" wrote:  / ->I've made a note to investigate this problem.s -> .G ->(The best route to ensure that a problem is addresses is to report it L ->through the normal customer support channels. That way it gets tracked and ->prioritized.)a  F I was about to do that but then discovered quite by accident if you doM "@apache$common:apache$setup" before "@sys$startup:apache$shutdown" it works:i   $ @apache$shutdown9 Syntax error on line 5 of /apache$root/conf/mod_php.conf: N Can't locate API module structure `php4_module' in file /apache$root/000000/mo6 dules/mod_php_apache-2_0.exe: function not implemented) $ type apache$common:[000000]apache$setup O %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for APACHE$COMMON:[000000]APACHE$SETUP.LIS;g -RMS-E-FNF, file not found% $ @apache$common:[000000]apache$setupo $ @apache$shutdown  $ One of the DECC$* logicals I'll bet.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonn9 --                  karcher.dontspxmme@waisman.wisc.edu  w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:41:36 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>< Subject: Re: CSWS v2.0 & CSWS_PHP v1.2 - "php4_module" error: Message-ID: <xGQYc.41559$N11.19159@bignews5.bellsouth.net>   Carl Karcher wrote:   , > In a previous article, "Rick Barry" wrote: > 1 > ->I've made a note to investigate this problem.e > -> wI > ->(The best route to ensure that a problem is addresses is to report itiN > ->through the normal customer support channels. That way it gets tracked and > ->prioritized.)P > H > I was about to do that but then discovered quite by accident if you doO > "@apache$common:apache$setup" before "@sys$startup:apache$shutdown" it works:  >  > $ @apache$shutdown; > Syntax error on line 5 of /apache$root/conf/mod_php.conf:vP > Can't locate API module structure `php4_module' in file /apache$root/000000/mo8 > dules/mod_php_apache-2_0.exe: function not implemented+ > $ type apache$common:[000000]apache$setup0Q > %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for APACHE$COMMON:[000000]APACHE$SETUP.LIS;A > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found' > $ @apache$common:[000000]apache$setupe > $ @apache$shutdown > & > One of the DECC$* logicals I'll bet.  M Thanks.  That's something I can sink my teeth into, so to speak.  Maybe I'll  I be able to figure out which particular logical name it is.  I will spend u% some more time on it later this week.x     -- U Chuck Choppy  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:47:03 -0500i' From: "Earl Lakia" <elakia@hotmail.com>rE Subject: Re: How many key pieces of VMS infrastructure depend on BEA?c1 Message-ID: <iNKdnXyh-MC2667cRVn-qA@netnitco.net>l  8 If you are running OpenVMS, a public domain products are
 available:  B MAX for RSX11M donated to DECUS by Inland Steel (now ISPAT Inland)H MAQ for OpenVMS  VAX donated to DECUS by Inland Steel (now ISPAT Inland)& IQR for OpenVMS Alpha Donated by IPACT' (http://www.ipact.com/Products/IQR.htm) 0 MQD for OpenVMS VAX Hopefully to be donated soon  F All of the above provide similar features as BEA message queue and are interoperatable.E Also  routers to IBM mainframes also exist (e.g., IMS) and Interlink.o Currently the IQR % is being migrated to OpenVMS Itanium.    -earlh lakia<no spam>@ipact.com    . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:MdOdnUGyhaBXgLPcRVn-ow@igs.net...D > Say Sun buys them and phases out the VMS flavors of applications &* > tools......where does that leave VMS...? >7 >e >nL http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1498&ncid=1208&e=9&u=/thedea1 > l/20040825/bs_deal_thedeal/istroubledbeaatargeti ># >e > Is troubled BEA a target?t >. > Wed Aug 25, 6:00 AM ET > Cheryl Meyer
 > TheDeal.comy >iJ > The departure of another senior executive at BEA Systems Inc. is fuelingH > speculation that turmoil at the ailing enterprise software maker could make > it vulnerable to a takeover. >>H > BEA said Monday, Aug. 23, in a filing with the Securities and ExchangeL > Commission that chief marketing officer Tod Nielsen has resigned to pursueF > other interests. Chief technology officer Scott Dietzen quit earlier month,J > and chief technology architect Adam Bosworth left in July to join GoogleJ > Inc. Other executives who have left BEA recently include vice presidentsI > Scott Edgington and Rick Jackson, and Erik Frieberg, senior director oft > product marketing. >nJ > The exodus comes amid a 54% decline in BEA's stock price since September andnK > what analysts describe as BEA's failure to gear up to compete with biggerd? > enterprise software developers offering a wide product range.n >lH > "These are really talented people, and they want to work for a company withD > buzz - and BEA has lost its buzz," said Richard Williams, research directorF > at Garban Institutional Equities in New York. "They're strategicallyJ > isolated because the world wants integrated suites, and BEA is providing > pure-play components." >m8 > A BEA representative could not be reached for comment. >pK > BEA's problems run deep, sources said. The company, which makes so-calledyD > infrastructure software used to develop business applications, has sufferedF > a slump in growth. Although the San Jose, Calif., company posted net incomeL > of $30.6 million in the quarter ending July 31 on sales of $262.3 million,L > up 18% from the year-ago period, BEA's software license revenue dropped toG > $116.3 million from $127.4 million in the previous year. BEA's stock, K > meanwhile, has fallen from a high of $15.09 per share last fall to $6.80.h >l? > Kaitan Agrawal, a principal at Jefferies & Co. unit Broadviewa International,D > said BEA has experienced "some frustration with management and the	 direction-K > of the company, which is not being aggressive enough in terms of thinking. > beyond its four walls."l > H > The strength of the euro has also masked BEA's financial problems. TheJ > company draws 30% to 40% of its revenues from overseas markets, WilliamsE > said. With the European currency falling in recent months, however,gE > third-quarter results for business software companies could plunge.r >lL > "Companies got a lot more bearish on their outlook and realized they can'tD > count on currency as they have in the past," he said. "If you took currencyI > out, I would argue 90% of the software companies missed their quarter."t >eJ > BEA also has been less acquisitive than rivals. That means it has failed toB > build a broad, integrated line of products and services, a majorI > disadvantage when corporate customers increasingly are turning to a few + > major vendors for their technology needs.b >hD > "These days, the balance of power keeps shifting toward the larger	 companies I > with the full stack," Agrawal said. Giants such as IBM Corp., Microsofto@ > Corp., Oracle Corp., and SAP AG are encroaching on BEA's turf. > G > Instead of making major purchases, BEA has sought to generate organic L > growth, although it has occasionally bought intellectual property or smallI > teams of software developers. In February the company bought CrossLogix.J > Inc., a small provider of enterprise authorization infrastructure. BEA'sI > last significant deal was in 2001, when it acquired Crossgain Corp. fork $30uE > million. BEA entered the Web services sector in 1998 when it boughta WebLogic > Inc. for $193 million. >eL > All these troubles have fueled speculation for months that software giantsI > looking for a good deal could acquire BEA. Sources say potential buyerspB > could include Hewlett-Packard Co., Microsoft, Oracle, SAP or Sun > Microsystems Inc.  >eK > BEA's declining stock "could prove to be highly attractive to a potential H > suitor that may have been sitting in the wings positioning to make itsE > move," said David Legacki, an analyst at Software Equity Group LLC.A >PF > And while BEA's revenue are relatively flat, the company has healthy profitK > margins, a strong installed customer base providing recurring revenue and   > good technology, Agarwal said. >bD > Another lure could be the company's $1.5 billion in cash reserves. >s7 > "They're definitely a takeover target," Agarwal said.g >uJ > Sources peg a deal for BEA, which has an enterprise value of $2 billion, atL > roughly $10 to $12 per share, or $4 billion to $5 billion. BEA has roughly! > $748 million in long-term debt.i >eK > In court testimony during the antitrust trial over Oracle's proposed dealeF > for PeopleSoft Inc., Oracle chief Larry Ellison said his company has7 > considered buying BEA, as well as Siebel Systems Inc.e >IH > In late July Ellison told financial analysts that Oracle was poised to makeH > other significant acquisitions once its $7.7 billion hostile tender is
 > settled. >vJ > Another possible suitor could be Sun Microsystems, Agrawal said. BEA and theMJ > Santa Clara, Calif., seller of network computing products, share similarI > technology architecture, and Sun is increasingly focused on growing itsr > software business, he added. >gJ > Legacki said the size and clout of BEA's main rivals mean any buyer must be. > able to compete with other industry leaders. > I > "This makes the list of potential buyers awfully short, and with OraclebG > preoccupied with PeopleSoft, the list becomes even shorter," he said.  >  >a >N >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:46:00 GMT-& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived 2 Message-ID: <cmMYc.9109$US1.2776@news.cpqcorp.net>  4 Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@flying-disk.com> wrote: >> *) Sweeny's< > Well, good food is always appreciated, wherever I find it.  D Better like red meat :) There are a number of other "steak" places -F it being Colorado and all.  Sweeny's is actually outside of town, most6 of the rest are in town.  There is another restaruant,C non-beef-uber-alles, up the hill on the other side of the river - Ir? cannot recall the name, but my inlaws like it quite a bit. MorenB European/gourmet/something like that.  Cuisine rather than food orF something - I'm botching the description terribly :) I'll get the name from my wife and pass it along.r  < > My wife loves hats, and she really wants a custom hat from? > O'Farrell.   Thank goodness she won't expect me to contribute  > to the purchase!  E My first trip to Durango I went in there - the sticker shock has keptdE me out ever since :) I'll make do with an old effenem (sp) crusher or- a tilly.  
 rick jones --  H Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events.F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...s   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2004 16:04:51 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)u! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survivede3 Message-ID: <EjGE6lBqZMwi@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  R In article <k4Wdndj5hcVTza7cRVn-sQ@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > M > Companies that actually manufacture/sell "things" and ship/receive productshN > all seem to love JIT (Just-In-Time) delivery. It reduces inventories, boostsK > cash flow, and generally makes their stock (product on the shelves and innL > the 'market' ) more attractive because they don't carry a lot of inventory > which may become stale-dated.s  G    If you can do JIT by road, you can do it by rail.  In many cases theeB    train is more reliable than the truck for long distance timing.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2004 16:03:03 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived 3 Message-ID: <is0mWXJZlIht@eisner.encompasserve.org>X  U In article <2pgvg8Fklj2aU3@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:g > C > Most intereting.  The only train I have ever ridden in the US wasdG > between Boston and NYC.  It was diesel.  Had seats like an old schooltF > bus (not like all those adds for Amtrak I see on TV). And smelled ofH > exhaust like an Greyhound bus all the way.  Not likely to make me wantE > travel that way again. Granted, that was quite a while ago, but the / > trains I see in my travels all look the same.n  E    I understand they run some diesels, too. It could be that only theh=    Mertoliner is electric.  Or maybe the NYC - Boston part isg3    part of the profitable line, but isn't electric.n  D    Funny, though, I traveled from Washington, DC to Portland, OregonB    behind diesels and never noticed an odor.  No problems with theH    seats, except that they don't recline far enough for me to really get    sound sleep.t   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2004 16:23:18 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived 3 Message-ID: <GTuJYCaKLXJx@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  U In article <2pgv60Fklj2aU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:r  5 > Because the government in some other country breaksyF > both your legs for jaywalking wouldn't make this one better for only > breaking one of your legs.  H    I have to return you non sequitur.  We were taking financial issues,     not asault.  C    Although I personnally would rather have only one leg broken.  Iv;    think I could get the hell out of there easier that way.   @    And I think a more usefull comparison would be a country that?    forces you to use an econo-box vs. one where filling up yoursE    Excursion makes you wonder if an Explorer would have done the job.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:20:46 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survivedt, Message-ID: <4133A83D.C906D8B1@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:G >    I understand they run some diesels, too. It could be that only thei? >    Mertoliner is electric.  Or maybe the NYC - Boston part ist5 >    part of the profitable line, but isn't electric.   L NYC-Boston has recently been electrified as part of the project to implementG the Acela Express trains. Prior to this, the line was electrified up to5K Hartford, where engines were switched to Diesel for the trip to Boston (andu" the reverse on southbound trains).  M Now, the line is electrified from Boston to Washington and there is no longer4J a need for a non-trivial stop at Hartford to switch engines. However, veryM little, of any, of the Boston-Washington corridor line is actually capable ofuM supporting TGV speeds. TGV speeds are attainable not with special trains, butoK rather with special tracks and more importantly, special overhead lines andIK pantographs that allow sufficient power to be picked up at speeds where thesM pantographs projects a wave onto the line, causing the ripples in that "wave"eH to cause pantographs to lose some contact with line, and this ability to
 pickup power.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:33:35 -0400.- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>t! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived , Message-ID: <4133AB3D.92C4C3CC@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:I >    If you can do JIT by road, you can do it by rail.  In many cases the D >    train is more reliable than the truck for long distance timing.  L JIT was thrown a lot of sticks into its wheels since 9-11 due to the currentI regime in the USA. Trucks shipping car parts between canadian and USA car H manufacturing facilities are now stuck in very long lineups at US borderD crossings whereas in the past, they were able to breeze through with predicatable delays.  K JIT normally happens between sites that are reasonably close to each other,nM and for such shorter distances, the overhead of trains just can't compete. It M takes way to much time to get parts from the manufacturers's backyard shunteddK to the rail yards, pushed onto a traisn being constructed, get the train touN travel, and the reverse process happening to get the parts into the customer's" backyard where the parts are used.    L Since 9-11, JIT was transformed from per-hour timing into per-day timing due to all the delays at borders.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:14:39 GMTs0 From: John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu>! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived > Message-ID: <MPG.1b9d8cf7f77120799896dd@news.bellatlantic.net>  - In article <4133A83D.C906D8B1@teksavvy.com>,  $ jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com says... > Bob Koehler wrote:I > >    I understand they run some diesels, too. It could be that only thecA > >    Mertoliner is electric.  Or maybe the NYC - Boston part isi7 > >    part of the profitable line, but isn't electric.o > N > NYC-Boston has recently been electrified as part of the project to implementI > the Acela Express trains. Prior to this, the line was electrified up toaM > Hartford, where engines were switched to Diesel for the trip to Boston (andi$ > the reverse on southbound trains).   New Haven... > O > Now, the line is electrified from Boston to Washington and there is no longerwL > a need for a non-trivial stop at Hartford to switch engines. However, veryO > little, of any, of the Boston-Washington corridor line is actually capable ofcO > supporting TGV speeds. TGV speeds are attainable not with special trains, butrM > rather with special tracks and more importantly, special overhead lines and M > pantographs that allow sufficient power to be picked up at speeds where the O > pantographs projects a wave onto the line, causing the ripples in that "wave"iJ > to cause pantographs to lose some contact with line, and this ability to > pickup power.O >   G Last time I did this, while they were constructing the electric system  F but before it was operational, they scheduled about 15 minutes for theF stop in New Haven, presumably to switch engines, but it took more likeF 1/2 an hour.  A big chunk of the reduced trip time for Boston<->NYC is eliminating this.   G I think the big problem is curviness of the line.  In diesel times, thecF train ran at about 40MPH for large parts of the run.  I think this wasD the max safe speed, and not due poor acceleration from the previous  stop.1  F They have a lot of work to do to get even 70MPH average speeds on the  line.    --   John   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:54:01 GMT01 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>u/ Subject: Re: IP over new Fibrechannel adapters?42 Message-ID: <ZSQYc.9136$832.2847@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dirk Munk wrote:H > There is a new FCA2684 Fibrechannel adapter available for OpenVMS and E > Tru64. In fact it is a rebadged Emulex LP10000 adapter (maybe with cG > different firmware), and it has very impressive specifications. More eB > importantly however, the specifications mention that TCPIP over G > Fibrechannel is supported for OpenVMS (not for Tru64). I assume this  I > means that these adapters are now seen as 'normal' network adapters by tH > the system, and that other network protocols (Cluster !) will also be  > supported in the near future.i  F The OpenVMS Roadmap mentions this in a couple of places. On the slide H entitled "OpenVMS I64 Clusters Rollout Plan" it is listed under version E 8.3, in 2005, as "Fibre Channel LAN". In the slide entitled "OpenVMS  I Cluster Roadmap" it is listed as "LAN over FC Adapter (DT Capabilities)" 8H under the heading "New Cluster Interconnects (Post V8.2)". In the slide C entitled "OpenVMS LAN HW Roadmap" it is listed under 8.3 as "Fibre a Channel as a LAN support".   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:15:55 +0200.3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>r( Subject: Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????* Message-ID: <2ph9ccFke1s1U2@uni-berlin.de>  % On 2004-08-30 17:56, "VAXman-" wrote:    > Hi,h > E > A dual processor rx2600 was delivered to my doorstep on Friday.  :)t > N > When I opened it, there was a PeeCee style USB keyboard in the shipping box.N > Is there a LK layout USB keyboard?  If so, part #? ...and do I order it from1 > HP or some 3rd party contracted to build these?   G >From the latest HP AlphaServer DS15 QuickSpecs (July 2004 edition, PDFI version, page 29):  $ OpenVMS, carbon coloured keyboard -- 3X-LK463-A2 (U.S.) 3X-LK463-AQ (Canadian/English)  F Apparently local language (other than English) keyboards are no longer
 available.   Michael    -- r; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.i5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:21:12 +0100S< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>( Subject: Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????6 Message-ID: <41337016$0$22751$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  1 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message 1, news:EOJYc.9061$cG1.8859@news.cpqcorp.net...; > In article <00A37210.EDFDFEC0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- r > @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:C > % > :Is there a LK layout USB keyboard?e >a< >  3X-LK463-%%  The -A2 is the English US/UK keyboard, IIRC. >r( > ---------------------------- #include ) > <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- L >    For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq, > --------------------------- pure personal % > opinion ---------------------------eF >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com  ! 3X-LK463-A2 KB USB/PS2 OVMS UK/USc  3X-LK463-AB KB USB/PS2 OVMS BELG# 3X-LK463-AC KB USB/PS2 OVMS CAN/FREl 3X-LK463-AD KB USB/PS2 OVMS DANh  3X-LK463-AF KB USB/PS2 OVMS FINN  3X-LK463-AG KB USB/PS2 OVMS GERM! 3X-LK463-AH KB USB/PS2 OVMS DUTCHa  3X-LK463-AI KB USB/PS2 OVMS ITAL# 3X-LK463-AK KB USB/PS2 OVMS SWI/FREn# 3X-LK463-AL KB USB/PS2 OVMS SWI/GERe  3X-LK463-AM KB USB/PS2 OVMS SWED  3X-LK463-AN KB USB/PS2 OVMS NORW  3X-LK463-AP KB USB/PS2 OVMS FREN# 3X-LK463-AQ KB USB/PS2 OVMS CAN/ENG   3X-LK463-AS KB USB/PS2 OVMS SPAN" 3X-LK463-AT KB USB/PS2 OVMS HEBREW  3X-LK463-AV KB USB/PS2 OVMS PORT! 3X-LK463-BH KB USB/PS2 OVMS GREEKe 3X-LK463-BL KB USB/PS2 OVMS RUMe 3X-LK463-BP KB USB/PS2 OVMS POL " 3X-LK463-BQ KB USB/PS2 OVMS HUNGAR  3X-LK463-BT KB USB/PS2 OVMS RUSS" 3X-LK463-BU KB USB/PS2 OVMS TURK Q! 3X-LK463-BV KB USB/PS2 OVMS CZECHo" 3X-LK463-BW KB USB/PS2 OVMS TURK F  3X-LK463-BY KB USB/PS2 OVMS YUGO 3X-LK463-CZ KB USB/PS2 V SLOVn   Alex e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:29:39 GMTD6 From: Gib Copeland <copeland@not.jenni.path.uiowa.edu>( Subject: Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????+ Message-ID: <DeLYc.4789$_g7.2081@attbi_s52>h   Hoff Hoffman wrote: U > In article <00A37210.EDFDFEC0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > ' > :Is there a LK layout USB keyboard?  i > = >   3X-LK463-%%  The -A2 is the English US/UK keyboard, IIRC.e > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------M >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqoP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comi >   D The online HP Parts Store locates this part number and identifies it0 correctly, but states "Part no longer supplied."  E I've been waiting a week to get a quote for an Alpha workgroup VolumetF Shadowing license from my HP sales person.  Maybe he would have better< luck with the keyboard order?  I'm not at all sure he would.  F But, quite seriously, where can you buy one of these?  I'm in the same
 situation.   Gib.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:56:23 +0100c< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>( Subject: Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????6 Message-ID: <41338665$0$22747$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  D "Gib Copeland" <copeland@not.jenni.path.uiowa.edu> wrote in message % news:DeLYc.4789$_g7.2081@attbi_s52...  > Hoff Hoffman wrote: < >> In article <00A37210.EDFDFEC0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  >> @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>L >> :Is there a LK layout USB keyboard?  3X-LK463-%%  The -A2 is the English  >> US/UK keyboard, IIRC. >>* >>  ---------------------------- #include * >> <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------6 >>     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --   >> www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq. >>  --------------------------- pure personal & >> opinion ---------------------------H >>         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com >> >uF > The online HP Parts Store locates this part number and identifies it2 > correctly, but states "Part no longer supplied." >vG > I've been waiting a week to get a quote for an Alpha workgroup VolumeaH > Shadowing license from my HP sales person.  Maybe he would have better> > luck with the keyboard order?  I'm not at all sure he would. >mH > But, quite seriously, where can you buy one of these?  I'm in the same > situation. >a > Gib   ) http://www.com-com.co.uk/parts_6915.ihtmlh   Alex t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:58:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o( Subject: Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????, Message-ID: <413386E7.9F12546A@teksavvy.com>   Gib Copeland wrote:yG > I've been waiting a week to get a quote for an Alpha workgroup Volume H > Shadowing license from my HP sales person.  Maybe he would have better> > luck with the keyboard order?  I'm not at all sure he would.  J Year ago (well, in the last century, last millenium, or more than a decadeN ago), Some DEC employees managed to find us the right combination of keyboard:I a french language layout with english WPSPLUS markings under the keys and H english keys on the keypad etc. It was not listed on any parts list, but@ somehow, we got a dozen LK201-BQ keyboards. (Bilingual Qubec).   E Under the keyboards were small stickers indicating that they had beenhI customized.  So the DEC salesmen had done a lot of homework to get us thes keyboards we needed.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:34:34 GMTn6 From: Gib Copeland <copeland@not.jenni.path.uiowa.edu>( Subject: Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????- Message-ID: <uIPYc.73118$9d6.62730@attbi_s54>    Alex Daniels wrote:e .  .c .fF > "Gib Copeland" <copeland@not.jenni.path.uiowa.edu> wrote in message H >>But, quite seriously, where can you buy one of these?  I'm in the same >>situation. >> >>Gibe >  > + > http://www.com-com.co.uk/parts_6915.ihtmls >  > Alex e >   N Thanks Alex.  I could have it shipped to my daughter's address in Scotland andM bring it home with me when I visit her in a few weeks.  But then I'd probablywK have to leave behind a Caol Ila or some similar precious cardhu, er, cargo.g  M I did manage to find a reseller here in the US who can "special order" one in L a couple of weeks, Puget Sound Data Systems (http://www.psds.com).  But I'veO also asked HP, through the DSPP contact from whom I purchased the rx2600, about P purchasing directly.  I'd like to know it's considered an HP product, on a tallyJ sheet somewhere within HP and that someone cares that someone's buying it!  K Mum's the word on the volume shadowing licenses though.  Not even an update-" to say their still researching it.   Gib-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:09:44 +0100y< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>( Subject: Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????6 Message-ID: <4133cfd8$0$22761$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  D "Gib Copeland" <copeland@not.jenni.path.uiowa.edu> wrote in message ' news:uIPYc.73118$9d6.62730@attbi_s54...r > Alex Daniels wrote:> <SNIP>M > Thanks Alex.  I could have it shipped to my daughter's address in Scotland r > andoG > bring it home with me when I visit her in a few weeks.  But then I'd h
 > probablyG > have to leave behind a Caol Ila or some similar precious cardhu, er, i > cargo. >eM > I did manage to find a reseller here in the US who can "special order" one   > inJ > a couple of weeks, Puget Sound Data Systems (http://www.psds.com).  But  > I'veL > also asked HP, through the DSPP contact from whom I purchased the rx2600,  > aboutyM > purchasing directly.  I'd like to know it's considered an HP product, on a o > tallyiL > sheet somewhere within HP and that someone cares that someone's buying it! >aG > Mum's the word on the volume shadowing licenses though.  Not even an S > update$ > to say their still researching it. >n > Gib   ! > have to leave behind a Caol Ila   M Hmmm think I would prefer to return from Scotland with a good Whiskey over a r LK keyboard too..s  H Iv had similar problems with hp and resellers, I think half the problem K seems to be them relating the item you tell them to the right part number.  J Tried for 2+ months to get the source listings, they couldnt come up with K anything apart from loads of emails wasting my time, telling me they don't  H do them or quoting me for the binaries etc, this was with two different ) resellers and my 'mission critical' team.   G Finally Didier on here gave me the part number, and then I got a quote b within a couple of days.  D Try giving them the part number and see if you have any more luck...   Shadowing part numbers:r   Alphar   Software Capacity QL2A1A*-**& Software Per-Disk Licences QL-2A1AA-3B   VAXr   Software Capacity QL-AB2A*-**  Per disk QL2A1AA-3Br  M I would imagine the per-disk licences will be more expensive, unless you are p shadowing a very small number..e  G Also a lot of people often don't realise they have a shadowing license  
 already...   $ sea sys$update:*lmf*.* shad:   ******************************, SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL_LMFGROUPS.COM;1   $ vmi$lmf_grp_15 :==  ; NET-APP-SUP-400/RTR-CL/RTR-SVR/UCX/UCX-IP-APPL/UCX-IP-NFS/U   CX-IP-RT/VMSCLUSTER/VOLSHAD/VPA/ $   K As we can see it is included free with NET-APP-SUP-400, so you may already SL have it on, or be able to shuffle some licenses around from another box and ) not have to wait or indeed pay anything!!B   Alex h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:24:27 -0500m2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: LK layout USB keyboard?????+ Message-ID: <4133E15B.4FA2E166@comcast.net>d   "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > G > > A dual processor rx2600 was delivered to my doorstep on Friday.  :)  > > B > > When I opened it, there was a PeeCee style USB keyboard in theD > > shipping box. Is there a LK layout USB keyboard?  If so, part #?F > > ...and do I order it from HP or some 3rd party contracted to build
 > > these? > E > Actually, I had a similar situation.  I needed to hook up my rx2600i1 > to my Raritan KVM switch, which has PS/2 plugs.>   Stan,d  / Can you put me in touch with your Raritan rep.?h  E We're having KVM/IP gear shoved down our throats, and we'll need help ! adapting them to ES4x's and such.    Thanx!   David J Dachtera ddachtera at nmh dot org   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:21:22 -0700i+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>o% Subject: OpenVMS running on HP 3000'sl' Message-ID: <41337022.5050506@MMaz.com>   H Anyone else catch the August 23 eWeek article titled 'Countrywide tapes F WRQ for integration?'  Boy, have they got their facts screwed up here K and what makes this worse?  Claiming that this inerrant data came from HP!:t  D "Countrywide Global isn't alone in its reliance on legacy systems.  C Officials at Hewlett-Packard Co. estimate that there are more than 0G 400,000 of its OpenVMS systems installed worldwide, many of them on HP   3000 machines."s     BarryR   -- 5  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:41:07 -0400B" From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000'sa- Message-ID: <cgvsar$ta5@library2.airnews.net>D  > Yup..... guess that is to confuse the HP Legacy people further      6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:41337022.5050506@MMaz.com...cI > Anyone else catch the August 23 eWeek article titled 'Countrywide tapesaG > WRQ for integration?'  Boy, have they got their facts screwed up here H > and what makes this worse?  Claiming that this inerrant data came from HP!: > D > "Countrywide Global isn't alone in its reliance on legacy systems.D > Officials at Hewlett-Packard Co. estimate that there are more thanH > 400,000 of its OpenVMS systems installed worldwide, many of them on HP > 3000 machines."h >o >l > Barry  >p > -- n >s@ > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@ > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@ > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 >i >  >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:17:55 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>o) Subject: RE: OpenVMS running on HP 3000's/R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3E0025@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----, > From: Hal Kuff [mailto:kuff@tessco.com]=20 > Sent: August 30, 2004 2:41 PMt > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0+ > Subject: Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000'sf >=20@ > Yup..... guess that is to confuse the HP Legacy people further >=20 >=20 >=208 > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message# > news:41337022.5050506@MMaz.com...-; > > Anyone else catch the August 23 eWeek article titled=20  > 'Countrywide tapes< > > WRQ for integration?'  Boy, have they got their facts=20 > screwed up herer> > > and what makes this worse?  Claiming that this inerrant=20 > data came from > HP!: > >pF > > "Countrywide Global isn't alone in its reliance on legacy systems.F > > Officials at Hewlett-Packard Co. estimate that there are more thanB > > 400,000 of its OpenVMS systems installed worldwide, many of=20 > them on HP > > 3000 machines."a > >a > >    Re: "legacy" systems ..a  
 Rant mode on>t  B I always get a kick out of those media types that like to refer toD "legacy" systems as necessary evils that does not warrant additional
 expenditures.n  H Reality check - *all* platforms have legacy versions. That does not make the current versions "legacy".  F Microsoft now calls NT4 servers "legacy". Sun calls Solaris V2 serversH "legacy". IBM calls old mainframe versions "legacy".  AIX and HP-UX have versions they call "legacy".  H So, does the fact that Microsoft calls Windows NT4 servers "legacy" mean= that Microsoft current versions are "legacy?". Of course not.n  D Fwiw, I like the term "existing" systems. It is a term that is a lotA less politically volatile than walking into a Windows, Solaris orfG OpenVMS shop and referring to their applications that are running their  entire business as "legacy".   Rant mode off>   :-)    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantr HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660c Fax: 613-591-4477v Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcoml. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:34:47 +0200i  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000'su- Message-ID: <ch031a$2j1f$1@news.cybercity.dk>7   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:C > Anyone else catch the August 23 eWeek article titled 'Countrywide E > tapes WRQ for integration?'  Boy, have they got their facts screwed 	 > up here C > and what makes this worse?  Claiming that this inerrant data camen > from HP!:a > D > "Countrywide Global isn't alone in its reliance on legacy systems.D > Officials at Hewlett-Packard Co. estimate that there are more thanH > 400,000 of its OpenVMS systems installed worldwide, many of them on HP > 3000 machines."i >(  F Just guessing of course, but given the internal knowledge of VMS at HPK amongst those outside its direct realm, this message could very conceivablysH come directly from an HP weenie.  I could imagine similar misinformationK from CompaQ weenies during the CompaQ tenure, because no-one at CompaQ knewe shi* either.  	 Dr. Dweeb7   >  > Barry/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:55:50 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000'st2 Message-ID: <qvMYc.9112$US1.3532@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dr. Dweeb <dr@dweeb.com> wrote:fE > Just guessing of course, but given the internal knowledge of VMS at D > HP amongst those outside its direct realm, this message could very? > conceivably come directly from an HP weenie.  I could imaginefF > similar misinformation from CompaQ weenies during the CompaQ tenure,, > because no-one at CompaQ knew shi* either.  F I'm reasonably confident that any HP weenie (pmHP at least) would knowB that the HP 3000's ran MPE and not VMS.  I would expect that pmCPQ2 types would know that VMS didn't run on HP 3000's.  B Of course, long ago and far away there _was_ (perhaps still is) an# implementation of DECNET for MPE :)r  ? I am also supremely confident in the press' ability to take anynE non-trivial set of factoids and munge them together.  Particularly ifaD that set of factoids travels through more than one person on its wayE to "print" and those people are not "of the body/industry" as it were + - the old "Telephone" game gomes to mind...c  
 rick jones -- z. a wide gulf separates "what if" from "if only"F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:13:47 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>p) Subject: Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000'sT, Message-ID: <4133A69A.D1333ABE@teksavvy.com>  M Actually, it isn't hard to think about why an HP employee would associate VMSn with HP3000.  M VMS is on Alpha. Alpha has been killed. HP3000 has been killed. VMS runs on auE platform that has been killed. So it is easy to lump VMS with HP3000.r  M What this does indicate however is that a message that VMS is strategic to HP7H and is being ported to that IA64 thing (which is strategic to HP, but toL nobody else) has not permeated to all the people who have the power to speak to the press within HP..   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:38:10 -0500i2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000'si+ Message-ID: <4133E491.BCA1731D@comcast.net>.   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----+ > > From: Hal Kuff [mailto:kuff@tessco.com]4! > > Sent: August 30, 2004 2:41 PMr > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come- > > Subject: Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000'sw > >gB > > Yup..... guess that is to confuse the HP Legacy people further > >  > >  > >a: > > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message% > > news:41337022.5050506@MMaz.com...a: > > > Anyone else catch the August 23 eWeek article titled > > 'Countrywide tapes; > > > WRQ for integration?'  Boy, have they got their factsb > > screwed up heret= > > > and what makes this worse?  Claiming that this inerrantg > > data came from > > HP!: > > >aH > > > "Countrywide Global isn't alone in its reliance on legacy systems.H > > > Officials at Hewlett-Packard Co. estimate that there are more thanA > > > 400,000 of its OpenVMS systems installed worldwide, many of  > > them on HP > > > 3000 machines."i > > >c > > >M >  > Re: "legacy" systems ..a >  > Rant mode on>  > D > I always get a kick out of those media types that like to refer toF > "legacy" systems as necessary evils that does not warrant additional > expenditures.c > J > Reality check - *all* platforms have legacy versions. That does not make  > the current versions "legacy". > H > Microsoft now calls NT4 servers "legacy". Sun calls Solaris V2 serversJ > "legacy". IBM calls old mainframe versions "legacy".  AIX and HP-UX have > versions they call "legacy". > J > So, does the fact that Microsoft calls Windows NT4 servers "legacy" mean? > that Microsoft current versions are "legacy?". Of course not.s > F > Fwiw, I like the term "existing" systems. It is a term that is a lotC > less politically volatile than walking into a Windows, Solaris or I > OpenVMS shop and referring to their applications that are running their  > entire business as "legacy". >  > Rant mode off> >  > :-)n  . (C)2004 David J Dachtera, All Rights reserved:   Fade from black to CG:* 	Legacy (LEH ga see), a treasured heritageF Voice over: "The dictionary defines 'legacy' as a treasured heritage."  9 Quickly, Fade to black, then up to OpenVMS logo, plus CG:n< 	OpenVMS - A treasured heritage of security and reliability.@ Voice over: "OpenVMS brings a treasured heritage of security and! reliability to your data center."r  7 Fade to black, then up to "OpenVMS at 25" logo, plus CGc 	1-8xx-xxx-xxxxsE Voice over: "OpenVMS - after 25 years, even after 9-11, nothing stopso it"$  ? Fade logo to black, then up to OpenVMS logo, CG still displayed G Voice over: "Call now to find out how the OpenVMS treasured heritage ofaH security and reliability can free your IS department from server virusesE and the unscheduled downtime they cause and how OpenVMS can make yourt5 distaster tolerant clusters TRULY disaster tolerant."p   Fade to black.   Toll free number TBD.t   Total running time: 00:00:30.e  D I imagine that being read by James Earl Jones (minus the breath-mask sounds, of course) ;-)   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:49:09 +0100l< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000'sd6 Message-ID: <4133e726$0$22754$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:4133E491.BCA1731D@comcast.net...t > "Main, Kerry" wrote: >> >> > -----Original Message-----c, >> > From: Hal Kuff [mailto:kuff@tessco.com]" >> > Sent: August 30, 2004 2:41 PM >> > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. >> > Subject: Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000's >> >C >> > Yup..... guess that is to confuse the HP Legacy people furtherg >> > >> > >> >; >> > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in messagey& >> > news:41337022.5050506@MMaz.com...; >> > > Anyone else catch the August 23 eWeek article titled  >> > 'Countrywide tapesh< >> > > WRQ for integration?'  Boy, have they got their facts >> > screwed up here> >> > > and what makes this worse?  Claiming that this inerrant >> > data came from,	 >> > HP!:u >> > >I >> > > "Countrywide Global isn't alone in its reliance on legacy systems. I >> > > Officials at Hewlett-Packard Co. estimate that there are more thanhB >> > > 400,000 of its OpenVMS systems installed worldwide, many of >> > them on HP) >> > > 3000 machines." >> > > >> > > >> >> Re: "legacy" systems .. >> >> Rant mode on> >>E >> I always get a kick out of those media types that like to refer tooG >> "legacy" systems as necessary evils that does not warrant additionale >> expenditures. >>K >> Reality check - *all* platforms have legacy versions. That does not maker! >> the current versions "legacy".  >>I >> Microsoft now calls NT4 servers "legacy". Sun calls Solaris V2 servers K >> "legacy". IBM calls old mainframe versions "legacy".  AIX and HP-UX haveo >> versions they call "legacy".c >>K >> So, does the fact that Microsoft calls Windows NT4 servers "legacy" mean:@ >> that Microsoft current versions are "legacy?". Of course not. >>G >> Fwiw, I like the term "existing" systems. It is a term that is a lotcD >> less politically volatile than walking into a Windows, Solaris orJ >> OpenVMS shop and referring to their applications that are running their >> entire business as "legacy".o >> >> Rant mode off>o >> >> :-) >-0 > (C)2004 David J Dachtera, All Rights reserved: >h > Fade from black to CG:+ > Legacy (LEH ga see), a treasured heritage H > Voice over: "The dictionary defines 'legacy' as a treasured heritage." > ; > Quickly, Fade to black, then up to OpenVMS logo, plus CG:o= > OpenVMS - A treasured heritage of security and reliability.eB > Voice over: "OpenVMS brings a treasured heritage of security and# > reliability to your data center."  >09 > Fade to black, then up to "OpenVMS at 25" logo, plus CGB > 1-8xx-xxx-xxxxG > Voice over: "OpenVMS - after 25 years, even after 9-11, nothing stopss > it"g > A > Fade logo to black, then up to OpenVMS logo, CG still displayed I > Voice over: "Call now to find out how the OpenVMS treasured heritage ofdJ > security and reliability can free your IS department from server virusesG > and the unscheduled downtime they cause and how OpenVMS can make your 7 > distaster tolerant clusters TRULY disaster tolerant."a >  > Fade to black. >  > Toll free number TBD.g >. > Total running time: 00:00:30.a > F > I imagine that being read by James Earl Jones (minus the breath-mask > sounds, of course) ;-) >t > D.J.D.  J I did see a hp TV ad, for 'Adaptive Enterprise' today, the last frame was 8 referencing www.hp.com/adapt which does now mention VMS.  J Still would like to see some VMS specific advertising, like non-stop got, , but still I guess its better than nothing...   Alex     ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:22:06 +0000 (UTC)t, From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)* Subject: Re: problems setting up a cluster. Message-ID: <cgvuot$16k$2@newslocal.mitre.org>  | Rodrigo Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt> writes in article <m3llfwa8a3.fsf@pixie.isrnet> dated Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:40:52 +0100:M >>>>>> "Alex" == Alex Daniels <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:h >o( >    Alex> Can you boot it like this.... >h >    P00> b -fl x,20000  >lF >    Alex> Were 'x' is the system root you are booting from. Then post4 >    Alex> the output of the point where it crashes. >aG >Hum, I didn't know the purpose of the first number in the -fl pair! If D >it means the system root as in [SYSn], then I have to say "the shit >hit the fan"... > C >Assuming that the OpenVMS automatic boot of a sattelite node afterrF >cluster_config_lan uses a correct boot flag, all other boots use bootA >flags 0,0. If this means that a sattelite uses [SYS0] instead of-E >[SYSn], it explains why it fails to boot. Is this the reason for them >crash?i  J When you boot over MOP, the value of x from the workstation is ignored; it% is taken from the network database.      $ mc ncp show node galaxy char    8 Node Volatile Characteristics as of 30-AUG-2004 19:18:18   Remote node =   1.108 (GALAXY)  , Hardware address         = 00-00-F8-07-9E-47" Load file                = APB.EXE2 Load Assist Agent        = SYS$SHARE:NISCS_LAA.EXE( Load Assist Parameter    = DSA0:<SYS18.>  L In this case, Galaxy boots from SYS18 instead of whatever value it has savedD in the SRM variable boot_osflags, or specified in the boot command. . CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM takes care of this for you.  E >But it got more serious: now the main node does not boot anymore! ItnA >crashes! The bugcheck is now 000003C4. Can it be a corruption ofeF >[SYS0] by the sattelite nodes? During the boot, two REBUILD-W-DUALLOCF >messages are displayed, saying something about a duplicate allocationB >of volume 1. Maybe the page/swap files have to be re-created (can9 >anyone point me to the instructions on how to do that?).   < Make sure there aren't any pagefiles in SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:26:07 +010032 From: Rodrigo Ventura <yoda-NOSPAM@isr.ist.utl.pt>* Subject: Re: problems setting up a cluster; Message-ID: <newscache$p56a3i$4s5$1@newsfront4.netvisao.pt>   F Hum, I didn't know the purpose of the first number in the -fl pair! IfC it means the system root as in [SYSn], then I have to say "the shitr hit the fan"...m  B Assuming that the OpenVMS automatic boot of a sattelite node afterE cluster_config_lan uses a correct boot flag, all other boots use bootn@ flags 0,0. If this means that a sattelite uses [SYS0] instead ofD [SYSn], it explains why it fails to boot. Is this the reason for the crash?  D But it got more serious: now the main node does not boot anymore! It@ crashes! The bugcheck is now 000003C4. Can it be a corruption ofE [SYS0] by the sattelite nodes? During the boot, two REBUILD-W-DUALLOCaE messages are displayed, saying something about a duplicate allocation A of volume 1. Maybe the page/swap files have to be re-created (cant8 anyone point me to the instructions on how to do that?).  C Maybe the best thing to do is to re-install OpenVMS from stratch...    Cheers,    Rodrigon   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:27:13 +0100b2 From: Rodrigo Ventura <yoda-NOSPAM@isr.ist.utl.pt>* Subject: Re: problems setting up a cluster; Message-ID: <newscache$j76a3i$4s5$1@newsfront4.netvisao.pt>I  @ Just an idea: how about running cluster_config_lan, removing allB nodes, including the main one, and then start all over again. ThisE way, all [SYSn] (maybe including [SYS0]?) are deleted, and re-createdhB from scratch. I'm not sure if this includes the page/swap files...   Cheers,t   Rodrigoy   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:55:44 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>+ Subject: Somewhat OT: Is AMD the new Intel? + Message-ID: <4133CC90.9823B565@comcast.net>l  $ This is just to juicy to not post...  H ========================================================================H TEST CENTER REPORT                              http://www.infoworld.comH ======================================================================== Monday, August 30, 2004r    H ======================================================================== * Is AMD the new Intel?y- * Opteron vs. Nocona: It's the system, stupidd * How AMD stayed in the game  G -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --l   IS AMD THE NEW INTEL?aH ========================================================================+ Posted August 27, 2004 3:00 PM Pacific Time,  E You just gotta love a Cinderella story. Advanced Micro Devices is the G hardscrabble kid who came to Silicon Valley with a dollar and a pack of D Luckies and ended up in a building with its name on top. AMD's rapidH rise from startup to $5 billion semiconductor powerhouse is, as HumphreyG Bogart's English teacher once said, the stuff of which dreams are made.u   For the full story:r8 http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/08/27/35FEamd_1.html    + OPTERON VS. NOCONA: IT'S THE SYSTEM, STUPIDeH ========================================================================+ Posted August 27, 2004 3:00 PM Pacific Timen  H If you think AMD's Opteron and Intel's Nocona -- or more formally, "XeonH Processor with 800MHz System Bus" -- are cut from the same 64-bit cloth,H look closer. Yes, they're compatible at the instruction-set and registerA levels; they should be because they're both based on AMD's x86-64IH specification. But the total system architecture surrounding these chipsD -- which includes pathways to other CPUs, memory, and peripherals --B exhibits several differences that factor into buying decisions and developers' platform targeting.    For the full story:m> http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/08/27/35FEamdoptnoc_1.html     HOW AMD STAYED IN THE GAMEH ========================================================================+ Posted August 27, 2004 3:00 PM Pacific Timee  F In 1999, while AMD was suffering through one of the darkest periods inG its history, the financially strapped semiconductor maker needed to getnF the word out about its new Pentium II-compatible processor, Athlon. SoC it did what any serious company would do: It enlisted the aid of PC 8 gamers, overclockers, and build-it-yourself enthusiasts.   For the full story:tB http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/08/27/35FEamdgrassroots_1.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:36:54 -0400V- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>R/ Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Is AMD the new Intel?e, Message-ID: <4133D634.48879836@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:u- > OPTERON VS. NOCONA: IT'S THE SYSTEM, STUPIDa@ > http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/08/27/35FEamdoptnoc_1.html  N I am not surprised at all at this. AMD took its time to design its 64 bit 8086K at a time when Intel didn't take AMD seriously. And Intel eventually had topL buckle to the pressure and announce some form of a 64 bit 8086 that was justH enough to say "me too" but not enough to compete against the IA64 thing.  H The real danger is that AMD's offering will start to be used for seriousH systems and Intel will left out in the dust for all 8086's based serious* servers unless it cranks up its own 8086.   K The minute Intel is forced to make it 8086 compete against AMD's enterprisepN class chip, it will mean that Intel's 8086 will move ahead faster than Intel'sM IA64, and once the 8086 is clearly faster and has all the enterprise gadgets,sH IA64 will cease to have a raison d'tre sicne it will be in a much worseS situation compared to Alpha: at least Alpha had a distinct technological advantage.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:33:34 -0400?) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>n' Subject: Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ???.9 Message-ID: <HFPYc.9477$CG3.641122@news20.bellglobal.com>p  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message4 news:Jr_Ic.20286$TB3.557524@news20.bellglobal.com... >I6 > "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message3 > news:h3Yyc.533$7H1.31361@news20.bellglobal.com...- >- > [...snip...] >-  ===== Problem Update =====-  G During testing of SWS-2.0 (a.k.a. Apache for OpenVMS) I discovered that J DHTML produced by HP-BASIC applications (via CGI-BIN) was being truncated.  J I reported the problem to Process Software Corp and have just successfullyL tested their fix in ECO "DRIVERS_V562P050" (which should be made public very soon).   Thank you PSC.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,4 Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:39:57 -0400P- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>R' Subject: Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ??? , Message-ID: <4133D6EB.CED7862F@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: I > During testing of SWS-2.0 (a.k.a. Apache for OpenVMS) I discovered thatLL > DHTML produced by HP-BASIC applications (via CGI-BIN) was being truncated.  K For the sake of preventing any misunderstanding, should't we say stuff like2 DEC-BASIC or VMS-BASIC ?  M When I first read your post, because I saw "HP Basic", I assumed you had someMI program running on some wintel or HP-UX box talking to the server on VMS.C  N Since the compilers on VMS have no real relationahsip with any other compilersH in HP's OS portfolio, their names shoudl really reflect their VMS natureI instead of a generic HP nature. (especially sine the onwer of VMS changest every couple of years).:   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2004 11:10:52 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)) Subject: VAXstation 4000-90 , SPX and KVTS< Message-ID: <f30679fb.0408301010.b47c9b7@posting.google.com>  H Do you know any kind of cable/conversor to connect a VAXstation 4000-90 C with a SPX (3 pins connector) board to a SVGA KVT (i.e. BlackBox) ?-   Ive found this image:  ' http://narpes.com/aw/vax/pics/VAX-3.JPG    Regard   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:38:54 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>m- Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000-90 , SPX and KVT , Message-ID: <41337432.21235FA2@teksavvy.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > I > Do you know any kind of cable/conversor to connect a VAXstation 4000-90tE > with a SPX (3 pins connector) board to a SVGA KVT (i.e. BlackBox) ?  >  > Ive found this image: > ) > http://narpes.com/aw/vax/pics/VAX-3.JPGI  . http://plgrs.lacab.it/cable/pinout.html#VgaPin  H This shows how to put RGB signals to VGA signals. (this assumes that the monitor will do sync on green).   L The picture you posted makes it look like 3 RCA type male jacks coupled intoM some proprietary plug assembly. If you can get all 2 signals (each plug would3N have + and - for R G B), then the web above will tell you how to cross connect it to get to a VGA plug.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2004 17:25:18 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)- Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000-90 , SPX and KVT = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0408301625.5e2aa9f3@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41337432.21235FA2@teksavvy.com>...- > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > K > > Do you know any kind of cable/conversor to connect a VAXstation 4000-90vG > > with a SPX (3 pins connector) board to a SVGA KVT (i.e. BlackBox) ?- > >  > > Ive found this image: > > + > > http://narpes.com/aw/vax/pics/VAX-3.JPGa > 0 > http://plgrs.lacab.it/cable/pinout.html#VgaPin > J > This shows how to put RGB signals to VGA signals. (this assumes that the! > monitor will do sync on green).e > N > The picture you posted makes it look like 3 RCA type male jacks coupled intoO > some proprietary plug assembly. If you can get all 2 signals (each plug wouldaP > have + and - for R G B), then the web above will tell you how to cross connect > it to get to a VGA plug.    B I found some pics including a DEC cable. This connectors name is  called 3W3 ...  3 http://www.schrotthal.de/dec/misc/dec_3w3_cable.jpg09 http://www.fct-electronic.de/prod/ml/images/3w3_abgew.gif:I http://www.fctgroup.com/prod/mini/Image/3w3_Dual_Euro_kat_FV_weich_SW.jpgo4 http://www.conec.com/section9/gifs/ldia/p66-ld_a.jpg     Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:30:05 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>a- Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000-90 , SPX and KVTr, Message-ID: <4133D49C.9BD80423@teksavvy.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:C > I found some pics including a DEC cable. This connectors name isf > called 3W3 ... > 5 > http://www.schrotthal.de/dec/misc/dec_3w3_cable.jpgk    J Ouch. Talk about proprietary stuff. At least on my Vaxstation 3100-30, theK video port is a formerly standard 15 pin plug. But that 3W3 connector seems  quite bizarre.  V Looks like 3 conductors inside the plug (R G and B, and a shared neutral (the casing).  N If you get that cable, you can then take the other end which will give you RGBF + and - for each colour, and go from then to make your VGA connector. / Remember that your monitor needs SYNC ON GREEN.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.482 ************************